Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2403: The Best At-Home Hamstring Building Exercises, How to Identify if a Workout Will be Effective or Not, Alternating Unilateral Exercises Vs. One Side at a Time & More

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer three Pump Head questions from the Sunday @mindpumpmedia Quah post. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you eat meat, eat GRASS-FED. (2:01) Using science to change your perception. (8:33) That time the guys got hustled. (14:30) When was the last time your mom had seen you naked? (19:04) The incredible/inspiring story of Terry Fox. (22:11) A discussion on the right time to give your kid a cell phone. (25:21) Toxic friends and their influence on your kid. (34:16) The challenges of raising kids while divorced. (43:50) How Mind Pump got introduced to ZBiotics. (47:49) It’s a rare partnership. (51:45) #Quah question #1 - What are the main qualities you look for in determining if a workout program is appropriate and will be effective?? There are so many options online, and I'm struggling to choose one and know what's good and what's not. (58:40) #Quah question #2 - What are the best hamstring hypertrophy exercises for someone who works out at home? (1:05:02) #Quah question #3 - When performing a unilateral exercise, is there any benefit to doing alternating reps vs. one side at a time? (1:08:22) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** Choose from ground chicken, ground sirloin, or ground pork for free in every order for a year. Plus, get $20 off your first order. That's up to $236 in savings for the year! ** Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MINDPUMP24 for 15% off first-time purchasers on either one-time purchases, (3, 6, 12-packs) or subscriptions (6, 12-pack) ** August Promotion: MAPS Bands | MAPS 40+ 50% off! ** Code AUGUST50 at checkout ** Nutritional Comparisons Between Grass-Fed Beef and Conventional Grain-Fed Beef Common Knee Surgery May Help No More Than A Fake Operation The Inspiring Story Of Terry Fox And His Marathon Of Hope Good News, Inspiring, Positive Stories - Good News Network Unplugged: Evolve from Technology to Upgrade Your Fitness, Performance, & Consciousness – Book by Dr. Andy Galpin Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked – Book by Adam Alter iGen: Why Today’s Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy–and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood–and What That Means for the Rest of Us – Book by Jean M. Twenge PhD Drink Like There’s Tomorrow – ZBiotics IG video Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** Get 30 days of free access to science-backed music. ** GROW Your GLUTES with a SINGLE LEG DEADLIFT! Build Your Hamstrings- How to Properly do Good Mornings Build Your Hamstrings with the Stability Ball Leg Curl - YouTube Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Brandon Turner (@beardybrandon) Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym) Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc) Instagram  

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you're interested go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code august 50 for that discount all right here comes the show people often ask us what the most important factors are in regards to nutrition look number one is calories number two is macros and then there's other things you want Here comes the show. People often ask us what the most important factors are in regards to nutrition. Look, number one is calories, number two is macros, and then there's other things you want to consider. This one is one of the most important. If you eat meat, eat grass-fed meat. Literally switching your meat from grain-fed to grass-fed will automatically lower your

calories and increase your omega-3 fatty acids by in many cases, by three times. This makes a big difference when it comes to your health. So, remember, calories first, then macros, and then if you need to pick something else, grass-fed meat. Yeah. Yeah, that'll get some people commenting. Yeah, because then, you know, what do people always ask us?

Like, what should I do about organic, or non-GMO, or you know, this and that? And when you really look at everything in context, I thought a lot about this. And if you simply, like to give you an example, 100 grams of grain-fed meat versus 100 grams of grass-fed meat, there's like a 60, and that's not, you're talking about 200 calories or 270 calories. That's a 70 calorie difference in a small piece.

So you'd automatically lower your calories and grass-fed beef has, in many cases, tripled the omega-3s. And we've had Dr. Cabral now on the show a few times and he says how our fatty, I mean, that's how they test for inflammation. With his doctors, is they test your ratio of omega-6 to omega-3s and he says it makes a huge difference

in people's health, so I'm like, this does a lot, just this one switch does a lot. You know, I never thought about this, but with a quick Google search, we could probably figure out what the average pounds of meat, red meat, that the average person can consume a year. And how many calories would they say? And then you could do the, then you could do by weight,

what calories. A yearly sum total. You could, and then you could actually mathematically support. you could do by weight, what calories, you could. And then you could actually mathematically support. That's really what matters, right? The overall volume, you start to look at that. It's like my trend of eating red meat. And then if I was to optimize my red meat, like what that would do in terms of my overall health profile. You could eat, you know, if you eat a 12 ounce ribeye

that's grain fed versus grass fed, same weight, one of them is less calories and has a better ratio of omega-3 fatty acids. It's also higher in some key nutrients. Not a huge difference, but like you said, Justin, over time, like, okay, look. That's what I said in a year's time. In a year's time, and you figure you're shaving 30 to 100 calories every single time you do that.

I mean that's a lot. That's a lot when you think about it. Especially when you think about the studies and the things that are out there that say like, oh the average person puts on this much weight every single year. I was just gonna say that. In fact, maybe Doug or Dylan can look this up. Like what how much weight does the average American gain per year? I think it's eight pounds. So if it's eight pounds. Yeah, so that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to reverse engineer that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Use that. Switching one variable out like that, like seeing like a six pound loss, you know, whatever it is equates to would be interesting. So we've gotten really, in my house, we're really good. If I'm cooking meat at home, 90 plus percent of the time, I'm using butcher box. If I'm out at a

restaurant I'm enjoying a regular steak. Right now then I'll have a grass-fed one out to eat but normally that's not even an option and I'm not really tripping about it. Yeah but just most adults gain on average one to two pounds each year is what they found up there. I've heard of the number of eight pounds as well but just to give people okay it really doesn't matter because here's the con here's the point right let's just say it was eight pounds. It's not, maybe it isn't, maybe it's more for some people, a lot less for others.

That's why it averages out to one, you know, to two pounds. But nonetheless, let's just say it is eight pounds in a whole year. And now this isn't exact, okay? But we know that a pound of body fat is about 3,500 calories. That's 28,000 extra calories a year, essentially that made you gain that eight pounds. Divide that by 365, that's another 76 calories a day. So if you just ate essentially 76 more calories than you burned every single day, you would gain

about eight pounds of body fat, just 76. That's like three sips of a soda. Yeah. So now switching from grain fed to grass fed, again calories and macros are most important. Show me what, can we look at, like I would love to see a visual of like 12 ounces of grain fed versus grass fed beef and see what the actual macro breakdown is. I'm curious what that is. I'm sure it would depend on cut or whatever. Sure, but I mean you should be

able, there's got to be someone who's done a visual about it. You can compare cut to cut too. You can go rib eye to rib eye. Yeah, New York. I would imagine that the fattier cuts probably have a bigger difference than the real. Yeah, look at a rib eye. It's probably one of the most popular steaks that most people would probably purchase.

That's what I eat the most of when I eat a steak is rib eye. I'm big on tri-tip. And then tri-tip's very close. I think it's too, it's like, it's local, it's our area. Do you know that whole Santa Maria tri-tip, tip like and you've been down like slow and down and it all Originated from there and like I actually ate yeah down there. It was a they're not Texas. Yeah Oh, I thought it was a Santa Maria tri tip. Yeah

That seasoning the clonies is this the seasoning is the type of beef like it's that whole thing They they raise the cows very specifically for that So we use that and then we use the other one that you showed me in Montreal, which everybody uses It's funny. We were up in Truckee and Jessica made it, you know Try to put that everything and my kids are eating and you know, of course my son's like this is mama You make the best food ever. My daughter's eating it Yeah, but it's you know, you have'm like, it's the seasoning. They like the seasoning. That's funny. Oh yeah. Yeah, but it's, you know, you have to go

in order of operation because if you're just eating a crappy diet, macros are everywhere, calories are everywhere, switching to grass fed will make a difference. Look at this, look at this. What does that say? That's just eight ounces too. That's eight ounces of hamburger.

So calories for grass fed for 32, 568 for conventional, protein 43 versus 38. It's higher in protein. Total fat 28 grams 44 for conventional. Look at that. That's a huge difference. Okay 432 to 568 so that's already a hundred you're saying 77 calories a day that's already a hundred and fifty calories so 150 more calories and it's five grams less protein. No less than that. No no no. Yeah. Well how much was the protein? I can't read that. What does that say? Yes 43 versus 38. Yeah that's it. Yeah so 5 more grams of protein with 150 less calories. Less calories and then compare saturated to monosaturated fat. Yes

saturated 12 versus 16 for the conventional. Yeah. And then omega-3 200 milligrams versus 108. Now look at CLA. CLA 0.72% versus 0.33%. Twice as much CLA. So CLA is a fatty acid. If you ever want to look up interesting fatty acid study. In fact, CLA was sold as a fat loss.

It was. It was. You guys remember that? Yeah, I do remember that. OK. So if you were to take your fatty acid intake and you were to convert a significant percentage of it from whatever it is to CLA, people get leaner. This is one of those those arguments that people will

use to say calories not a calorie. Now a calorie is not a calorie but calories in versus calories out is still true. It's just some components cause more energy production or burn than others. CLA is probably one of them. You eat more CLA in your diet, even if the calories are the same, you tend to get leaner. And again, it was sold now. It should not be a fat loss supplement because just adding CLA is just adding calories to your diet. So that's like the big thing.

That was a comment. Didn't you guys sell CLA? Oh yeah. Yeah, it was part of the ergogen stack, remember? Oh, God. It was CLA, what else was there? Lipotropic transport? Methoxybolic.

Oh, that's a lipotropic. Pyruvate. Yeah, pyruvate. Pyruvate, methoxybolllock lipotropic transport CLA Am I missing burners? That was the monster fat loss stack. I saw Tropic's were compounds that help transport fat from the lat from the liver. It's into your bloodstream so you can then use it off as energy Still have this science still have this the pitch. You know what they did is they said, oh, here are the things that help your, that take fatty acids from your liver to be used as energy.

So if you just take more of these- Just more, it just happens. That's not how it works. That's exactly it. Unfortunately, they'd say the same thing with pyruvate, CLA. They use these things that were all, that was true science in the body. Yeah. But take- But what we didn't have- More of it doesn't do it.

Exactly. What we didn't have was the science, I mean, nitric oxide is the same way too. We've made a lot of claims around nitric oxide products and the science is really weak on actually taking nitric oxide as far as it actually changing it into your blood. It's funny because- It's a very popular sales thing in supplements

that people aren't aware of is that we take some true science of what's happening. And then we extrapolate more performance fat loss. Right, like pyruvate's released from the brain, right? It tells the body it's time to start metabolizing fat, right? That's something that's part of the Krebs cycle. Right.

And so the theory was, oh, if pyruvate released from the brain signals the body then for you to metabolize fat, if I just took pyruvate it would... I'll burn more fat. Yeah, I'll burn more fat, which there's actually no science to support that actually hijacks that. There might be some health benefits, but you're right. So it's what a good point is they'll look at a series of chemical reactions to the body they're involved with, let's say muscle building or fat loss, and they'll say, cool, if we add more of this therefore yes but no what you need to see is a study that

actually shows more muscle gain more fat loss better performance right now I'm taking these supplements right which by the way is really hard to even prove that's why this is such a funny thing to talk about and it's like so funny to me when you get these these supplement companies or people that represent supplement companies and they try and use the science to argue their facts like well that science is very murky when you talk about like the true proof of that supplement doing that. You can argue with me till you're blue in the face what pyruvate does in the body and how that what the exact part of the system like okay and all these things that we already

know nitric oxide yes I get what it does in the body but there okay, and all these things that we already know, nitric oxide, yes, I get what it does in the body, but there's not a lot of proof that you taking this- Your compounds not enhancing that. Yeah, you taking this is actually doing it any more than what the body would have already done by itself. Yeah, and the best studies, speaking of nitric oxide, right, because that's a gas that's released in the system and it dilates your blood vessels, right, increases or improves blood flow, and so the thought was, okay, take these things

that are converted to nitric oxide, you'll get better pumps and everybody likes pumps, you'll get better performance, maybe more muscle growth, whatever. The best studies on that are on erectile dysfunction drugs because nothing boosts nitric oxide like Viagra or Salis or whatever. And the studies on those show there is a little bit

of an improvement in athletic performance and a small improvement in muscle building. But those are pharmaceutical drugs that really jack up nitric oxide. With other supplements, eh, it's perception. Do you feel more or not? I do with some of them. If I drink more water with some of them

I think I noticed but I don't know you know me. I'm sensitive to everything Just the caffeine in there something else. Then you get it then you parse out the Yeah, this the placebo effect too, right because you believe that it's working and it's doing something for you So there's a part. There's a part. Yeah. No, I mean the studies have shown how powerful that can be So if you put so powerful if you believe it, there's a part, yeah, no, I mean, the studies have shown how powerful that can be. So if you put- It's so powerful. If you believe it- Especially for certain people, yeah. Like, it's funny how they screen that,

and then some people are like, it's almost like at a 60% with some people. It's very high. Very high. My favorite study on this, that's still to this day, blows my mind, is that, and I've talked about this on the show, I haven't talked about it for a long time, but I think about this study, it lives in my brain,

where they took people with arthritic knees, with pain, constant pain, and they cut them open, some of them they cut open and stitched them up. Dude, like how mad would you be? The other ones they cut open and did surgery, they compared surgery to no surgery, and the doctors literally said, no, no, no, we gotta fix this and here's the cartilage

and here's what we're gonna do. And they had the same results. Yeah. Because the placebo, now people are gallivanting around like you had this awesome procedure, you know, like nothing. Nothing even happened. Nothing, and I've heard people speculate

on why this was such a powerful placebo effect. Because when you're cut open, you think you had surgery. That's a lie, You know what I mean? Like you see that scar. Full trust. I mean, how many times do you think somebody has paid for an orthopedic surgeon to go in and clean things up? I mean, have you ever heard of people,

I mean, that happened to me, right? Oh, it's not, we can't do anything with it. Like they just left it the way it was because I had a partial tear. There was no reason to put a cadaver in there. So they go cut me all open they go in there Oh, we would clean up the scar tissue do stuff like that. And I don't know $30,000 bill later They just made a neck just yeah I don't need I have the video

Jab around sounds like a la sore afterwards like so I was like a weak fuck So I was like hella sore afterwards like so I was like a week fuck about hey, I Diddle my knee I was in no joke a real talk say well my when I when I tore up their initials I do this in this and when I when I when I tore those okay happening basketball guy falls on me Okay, it was like ah and then I looked on the core and then I'm off I'm off the court and I and I'm like I'm walking back and forth in my okay I'm gonna go court and I and I'm like, I'm walking back and forth I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go back in I totally guys like I'm gonna go back and give me a minute Let me walk this off and the only reason why I didn't go back in was because every once in a while I would like something would feel like it missed and I was like, okay, that doesn't feel right, you know

But I didn't feel a lot of pain worse feeling. Yeah, the next day I wake up and it's like a balloon like this, right? But I was still not in crazy pain. It was painful, but not crazy pain. After the surgery where they did nothing, but go jab around, I was in the worst pain for like a week. That was the most painful time was after they cut me open and they jabbed around and cleaned up scar tissue. So they looked at the MRI and they said, we have to go in to see for ourselves.

Yes, because of all the inflammation, it was like not 100, like we think that. Wait a minute, so they cut me open. Did they give you the option to wait for the inflammation to go down? No, no, they literally cut me open, and it was, I didn't know until I came to whether I was gonna get a cadaver or not.

So they were ready to give me a cadaver, but because it was still intact, they didn't put another MCL or or ACL in there they left it alone. I've never heard of them cleaning things up. Yes. Without like surgery. Bro this sounds like a hustle. It does. It is a hustle. That's why I brought it up. It's not that long though. This is when I was 28. You're a kid. Well I mean yeah. They see a kid with insurance who's gonna to cover it. And they're like, well, we can't really see. Which I don't know.

I'm not a doctor or surgeon. So please correct me if I'm wrong. But wouldn't you say, let's wait, do another MRI, rather than doing explorative surgery? Because that's what that is. It's an explorative surgery. Which I don't know if you do that for anything other than cancer.

You've got to go in and make it happen. Right. Right. Yeah. I thought it happen. Right, right. Wow. Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting, right? Wow. And I'm telling you, I was in more pain post-surgery than I was pre.

Is that the worst, like, is that the biggest ripoff you ever felt like you've had from, because I have a bad one that I don't know if I wanna share. Dennis are up there, I've just said that. Oh yeah, that's right, really good. Nine cavities and miraculously they go away, my candy consumption didn't slow down, but miraculously I have no cavities from another guy. Six years later, like, okay, that was, that was weird.

What other ones have I had like that and that are hustle? Oh no man. I just got off a phone call right now. I was getting hustle. People, everybody's trying to hustle. Everyone's trying to hustle. You know, when you're young, especially when you're a young kid, you look back and you go, they took advantage of, you know, that I was getting hustle. People, everybody's trying to hustle. Everyone's trying to hustle. You know, when you're young too, especially when you're a young kid, you look back and you go, they took advantage of, you know, that I was naive. I had a Chinese medicine. Mechanics take advantage of everybody too.

Listen, I'm not gonna go into too much detail. I had a Chinese medicine doctor at the time. I was getting, I don't remember what the issue necessarily was. I did a physical, and I was in my 20s. And you know, you get everything tested, and I was in my 20s. You get everything tested and I was like, you know, prostate enlargement runs in my family and they checked everything.

PSA was fine, all that stuff. And I said, you know, but I don't know, maybe I think I was hypochondriac. Okay, I was a little worried. My dad was getting some stuff. My grandfather just had prostate cancer. I was a little hypochondriac. So I had a client refer me to a Chinese medicine doctor.

So I went to this woman, had me laid down, I swear to God, it's a true story, had me laid down on a examining table on my side and had me pull my pants down a little bit. And she worked on my bonch area, but like a bunch of, I'm telling you, it was one of the most awkward moments of my entire life. And I was sitting there kind of like,

what was she doing? I don't know, acupressure. I don't know, dude. I was like, I felt vulnerable because I'm like this. Yeah, that's like the fetal position. Yeah, dude, and it was like 15 minutes of this. What? Yeah, dude, and I was like, this is,

I feel like I'm being, like what's happening right now? I don't know. Anyway, I hope she hears this. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you did. At least you didn't have some like Turkish doctor with like big hairy fingers. Oh, that was you.

Prostate check you did. I had that at Pop Warner football where I was like weird like that too. Oh wow. Yeah, and Pop Warner football, I remember we had to go get the prostate check and there was just a line of, you know, how old are you? Well, they don't check your prostate when you're pro they check your, check to see if you have a hernia. So they, so they literally, hernia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. The kid level. Rose of kids, right? Wait to get in there and you get in there. It was like drop your drawers, you know,

lift your ball, cough type of deal. And then pants are down. It's like walk on your tippy toes across the other room and walk on it. Walk back. I was like, what the fuck was that for? Yeah. What do I gotta, was my tippy toes and your pants down? Yeah, bro. That's not, that's not normal. This camp. What was this? Yeah, this was like a pop Warner football, pop Warner football. We had all of us do that. And when you're that age, you don't know that's part of the process. Yeah, of course you just, that's what's crazy.

Well, I got, yes, it's funny. I got similar, not like completely similar. Cause they do, they did like, I hadn't had a physical in forever. And then so I was in college and they were doing, they're just doing physicals and they do, or, you know, they check the, uh, you know, you're making you do the cough test. And so apparently I didn't know, like their whole protocol changed. And so that was just like, you just do it yourself and you put your hand down your pants and do it. And then the doctor kind of evaluates, just there. But as this girl, she's okay. And then I just, you know, I'm just sitting there, you know, I'm like this, she's like, oh God,

You just whipped him down. I'm just sitting there like, you know, I'm like this. She's like, oh God. I'm like, she didn't know what to do. I'm like, what are you thinking? It's like, I'm here, I'm ready for you. My first physical was also for Pop Warner. I played like just a second and I quit, but when I had to do a physical

and it was in front of my mom. My mom used to take me to the doctor, I was a kid, so she'd go with me to the doctor. Well, at least she was there. And she's sitting there, I don't want, but I never pulled my pants down in front of my mom. By this point, I'm a teen, I'm like an early young and she's sitting there I don't want but never pull my pants down from my mom by this point of a teen You know, I'm like a early young teenager, you know, your mom's here I remember the doctors like pull him down and then that's fun. I'm like looked away

When you think about that, when's the last time your mom sees you naked? supposed to or when get caught jerking off when you're 60 years old. Not all of us got caught. No, no, no. You're sick. I'm trying to think, like, when was the last time? You get, like, a rash. I have to ask my mom that. My mom's in my house right now. When was the last time you seen me naked?

Just curious. No, no. I wouldn't show my mom a rash. It was like, I broke out in hives, you know, later on. And I was like, ah, I think I had to, like, kind of, you know, hey, you know, this isn't right. Yeah. Who's that more awkward for mom, or is that more awkward for you?

Who do you think? It's probably it's probably for sure. I is mom's mom's like, I've seen you naked all life. I don't care. And then people are like, why don't you change your diapers? Why don't you tell your dad? Change your dad doesn't know where the doctor is. So your mom, I don't know. Yeah, they want to see it. That's like rub some dirt. That's a that's a gnarly rash you got there, son.

Wuck it off, you're fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll be all right. Rub some Tessin on it. That's a good time, anyway. So, let's get back to, actually, you know what? You just made me think of someone. Have you guys ever heard of,

we're talking about like physicals and sports and stuff, and I know Canadians right now are gonna love this, but have you guys ever heard of Terry Fox? You know who that is? Terry Fox? Doug, look up this kid, Terry Fox, T E R R Y F O X. I never knew about this kid, but he was a kid who he got diagnosed with this type of cancer, I don't know.

Lost the leg. And then as a way to bring awareness to cancer, uh, treatment or cancer research, he ran across Canada. He ran a marathon every single day with a prosthetic leg. They have a statue built of this kid. It's crazy. Now he eventually, that's him right there. Oh, I think there's a whole documentary on this guy.

He eventually passed away. He eventually died as a kid. How many miles did he end up running, does it say? I'm almost positive there's a documentary about this guy. Oh God, what a crazy story. Young man, you know? I just can't believe I've ever heard of that. And there's a picture of him running with his prosthetic

leg, and he ran every day, a marathon. He ran 26 miles a day through Canada's Atlantic province, Quebec and Ontario, however, on September 1st, after 104, wow, he ran 3,339 miles. He had to stop because of his cancer. What a crazy story. Yeah, there's a documentary on it. There's a statue that they built of him, I think, in that area of the whole thing. But anyway, really interesting. I wish more people knew. I wish I knew.

I know. Yeah, there's a documentary, the Terry Fox story. I wish more people knew I wish I knew I know yeah, there's a see there's a Documentary the Terry Fox story. I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like what the picture came up. I'm like, oh, I remember He's a great story. Hmm. It's a good documentary. So inspiring. That's the one I saw right there. That's the picture where it's not a picture now It's a statue but you know kind of makes you feel like People real struggle But you know, kind of makes you feel like, like where was this? Yeah, like where, people struggle dealing with it. Well, I mean, also the other side of this too, is through tragedy, he found purpose. You know what's crazy though too,

those like, there's stories like this, we don't highlight this stuff enough anymore, that's what I feel like. I feel like this happens all the time actually. I think there's actually really cool, great stories like this. There's a. I think there's actually really cool great stories like this There's a isn't there a news network. I feel it's called good news network Yeah, something like that. That's other dedicated to just sharing these type of stories and that's sad that we like

I wish almost all our news was that could you imagine what we would be what we'd be like culturally? Yeah if like 90% of our news was centered around all positive things happening in the world and they're a very small percentage was only reporting all the negative bad stuff and not the other way around. It could be if we just consumed it that way. Yeah. But we're, we have a wire not to we're not we're wired. We're wired for the danger, bad look out. Yep. Yeah. Would it be? Yeah. It's just, it's just too logical.

Right. And like, I mean, even on the esoteric level, like you've seen, like water sort of like take on You know some of the characteristics of like the words and the energy kind of like I see those like ice when it forms and like it kind of like you know that the crystallization of it forms in a very specific way based off of like the energy the energy that was Placed into it. So we're wired this way, right? But do you think it's possible if we actually Educated our kids on their way up and made them more so I had this talk with Katrina actually last night

We were talking about Macs and the phone so I didn't know this I didn't realize I'll throw in my family members on the bus They gave their really young kids all cell phones like really young and that only lasted like a month and they like backpedaled Yeah, such a terrible idea. How old were they really young and that only lasted like a month and they like backpedaled, it was such a terrible idea. How old were they? Really young. Oh, okay. The oldest is 10 and there's like,

Oh yeah. Yeah, like oldest is 10 and then there's like a five-year-old, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like way too young for these kids to have phones, right? And they obviously backpedaled pretty quick. But anyway, so Katrina and I are talking about, so I kind of have this idea that I think about,

a lot about that because of what you guys have had to go through and like you guys obviously were, I know you were way before you were a little bit after. So you have a little bit of a different mindset on it. I think I have like, I've had a lot of time to think about it. Right. So this is my latest thing. I took Katrina and she was like, not sure about it. I can tell she's still marrying. And I think this is what I'm going to do. So I said, cause how can you, how can you say that one kid at, if you have a really mature kid at 13, very different than an immature 16 year old kid, right? Sure. And so how do I figure out that? So here's my idea. So Unplugged, Irresistible and iGen are three very important books for me about this topic. And so when the day comes and my son starts asking for it, I want you to read all three and have a book report. Perfect. And then you and I will say, now why this will be so powerful in my mind is because if he's really motivated to get a phone, he's gonna do that. And then he'll be able to report back to me what it says.

And then he'll be educated on the powers and the dangers of it and then when I put parameters around it and give it to him he understands why. That's important. So that's and so then you'll know where you're coming from. That's right. Instead of me just being the overlord who says you can only do this, yeah sure son you want you want to follow those your phones after you read these three books and you report to your dad what you learned from those books, then together we'll sit down and we'll get you a phone and we'll talk about how we're gonna use that phone.

The experts now, the ones that are sounding the alarms are now saying, they say, wait till that least in high school. And then somebody, I saw one guy get interviewed and they said, well, what would be ideal? And I said, as long as possible. So that's everything I've read too, right? But you know how generic is that? Like what if you actually have a very mature kid like so I told you guys a story,

my cousin Stephanie, she's the one at home schools and I told you about the way her kids who you know somewhere in high school, somewhere in junior high, how they communicate about that stuff and they did such a good job of educating their kids on that, that they have very limited time that they're allowed to use it. And they have a lot of restriction around it that their parents have put control on because they have, I guess, there's a difference between Google phones and like Apple phones.

There's more control with like Google phones than there are with Apple phones. Like what they can, he can really control a lot of it and gets all kinds of alerts if they do this or that to him directly. And so that's part of why they all have those types of phones. And talking to the kids, it's really cool to see the maturity that they have around it. And it makes you go like, well, yes, wait as long as you possibly can.

But what if I have a kid that like can communicate that and understand that? And then there is some value to them using it. Like that kid, to me, regardless of their, of their whether they're you know 20 or 60 they deserve to be able to utilize it so just like anything else like we would not throw a eight-year-old into a car and say hey go figure this out you know I'm saying they have to go through driving permits and practice and a test and all that some of that to wield this powerful dangerous tool but then now they have the freedom to do that well I feel like the phone should be something like that.

It's like, this is, and then for me, it's gonna be- And the controls, because you know that developmentally, they can't control themselves in many cases. That's right. So you're gonna have to put those- And I think after reading those books, he'll understand why I'm doing that. You're building and crafting these disciplines

going into it, which is, that's perfect, because yeah, everything that I've you know Failed with that in terms of introducing that we've tried to kind of you know reverse or like address It's a lot all communication and everything like you're talking about with like the why why we're doing this right why we need to You know where where you see this obvious slip when it comes to grades and then boom, it's gone. And it just took repetition, repetition, repetition, like months, and then finally it's like clicked. And so he'll take his phone and then he'll actually hang it up before he goes to bed. He loves doing that. He doesn't even want it.

Oh, that's great. Because he knows his tendency is to just and not get good sleep. But that's the other thing too about the mature kid. He works. He wants to work. He wants to. And he needs to constantly communicate with his employer and then us and then scheduling rides and scheduling

with other coaches that he works with. And so it's like, it's somewhat of a necessary evil. Of course. That's why men, you have all these professionals that are saying things like, wait as long as you you can or you shouldn't till this age. It's like, well, there's a very wide range of kids that are mature and not mature. And there's a wide range of parents that are really good at communicating and not so good at communicating. And that makes all the difference in the world on these kids.

And I feel like if I do a really good job of staying ahead of it and doing a good job communicating with him, that maybe he can have it a little bit sooner than probably I would like or what like that because he's done the necessary work to learn. It just highlights, it's just tough as a parent, it highlights, man it's hard work because the world is going to try and raise your kid. I mean that's really what we're talking about, right? Because it's not just that, there's a lot of stuff that's out there. The world's going to try to raise your kids. So it is you against the world.

And so my challenge with this was always like, well, then they're gonna be the weird kid. They're gonna be the one that sticks out. They're gonna want, it's like, many cases that's necessary. That's what you want. In many cases. That's right. It's necessary and it sucks because it's hard.

Because you have to monitor so much. And now I understand, you know, the push for regulations for kids. I get it. I get it as a parent. I understand it because there's a lot of parents out there that don't have the luxury of having the time and energy to do that much parenting and observing or watching. A lot of parents work a lot just to make ends meet or whatever and so I get now why there's some people like we need to regulate certain things because I can't be there.

I work all day, my kid comes home, they're home for three hours or four hours by themselves. It's almost impossible. I need help, essentially. Do you agree with that? I agree with, I definitely agree with regulations for minors, for kids, I do, 100%. Just like I agree with the age limit for alcohol

or tobacco and stuff like that. I mean, I feel like, and I know, I mean, there's gonna be something, so obviously I've had this opportunity to see this ahead of time. I have fathers who are ahead of me that feel like, oh, I wish I'd done it differently or Justin's in the middle of it right now.

And so, okay, I've got this luxury. So actually, what I even think more about is, what is the thing I'm not seeing? What is the thing that I think is just okay right now, or I'm not really paying attention to, probably like what you guys were 10, 15 years ago with it. But at the end of the day, personally, the way I look at all that stuff is, it all falls on me.

It goes back to the leadership thing. Of course. It's like, I'm the one who's leading my family And you know if I I don't I don't I don't know I don't subscribe to I don't have time Or I don't have this or I want somebody else to regulate or help me parent It's like if that doesn't get done or a good job is done. It falls on my shoulders as a Ultimately, you know, it's course correct. This is the thing. You know, it's just, you have to be honest. And like, this isn't working.

Yeah. I made a mistake. Yeah, I made a mistake. I thought this was okay. I thought we could just- Take it on yourself. Don't put it on your kid. You know?

The stats on even on homeschooling are crazy. Like, the odds that you're, I think I've brought this up before, but the odds that your kid is going to adopt a similar mind frame or understanding or philosophy as their parents when they're homeschooled is significantly higher than when they go off to school. Because then the school is raising your kids in many ways. And so a lot of reasons why people homeschool nowadays is they say, hey, I don't want my kid to learn these things or to think that these particular things are okay.

Yeah. Now do you think that's more to do with homeschooling and schools as much as it is that the parents that send their kids off to school just allow that to happen and then they don't continue the parenting after that? It's like to me I would think that. Dude you have so much influence.

Well you have to. And then. You're forced to when you're in homeschool. You're right and then as they get older you just start losing. I don't remember what the stats are but I think once the kid, I don't remember what the age was, it was some teenage year, 15 or 16,

like once they reach a certain age, the parent's influence is like almost, it's smaller than the influence from their peers. So at some point it switches. Yeah, did you hear, I can't, I think I share, I don't know if I share this with you guys or not, I follow this guy from Bigger Pockets, right? I used to listen to that podcast a lot.

I don't listen to it as much anymore. Yeah. And one of the main original hosts, Brandon the beard, I think is like what his handle is or whatever. I heard him being interviewed and he made a comment that I thought was really interesting. And I probably, I could see myself getting behind this, but it seemed extreme.

But he's like, he said like, I'll move my family across the country if my kid has a friend that I can't get rid of. Yeah. He's like, if he has got a toxic friend, I feel so passionately about how- It's a bold move, but I get it. I get what he's saying. How much a toxic friend can influence your kid, especially at the young, middle age, the teenage years.

He's like, that's how much I care about my family. And knowing how difficult that is to tell your kid who their friends are gonna be, he's like, I'll move across the country if I need to. And he goes, that's how passionate I feel about like how the importance of that. And I'm like, damn, that's crazy.

But then I think about it, I'm like, man, it's real easy to say, yeah, I wouldn't do that. I would just tell my kid, yeah, right. Try telling your teenage kid they can't be friends with someone like that. Like that's probably really tough to do because if anything, the kid probably at that point doubles down and that becomes their best friend

because dad says, I can't hang out with them. So what do you do in that situation? You know, like if your friend, your son or daughter is hanging out with someone who is, you know, poorly influenced It's like a poker. Like what's your best hand? What's your best move there? Yeah, you know and it's like it maybe that is the best move, right? Like if you have you can kind of play that all the way out Like what's gonna transpire like the next year and like how many you know things?

Is my kid gonna get involved in that we could've avoided if we just uprooted and left. That's why it's also important is who the parents and people are you hang out with, because those are the people that are gonna bring their kids around, and that's how you create that. I think it's around adolescence. I was trying to look it up, but I think it's around adolescence

when the influence from their peers begins to outweigh influence from the parents. So you start to lose your power. Imagine how difficult that is. I know Justin, you and I have talked a little bit off air like that challenge, right? Like how you can't really control that, right?

Like how do I as a dad? I mean, you can control some things. Like I guess their school and then the people that are around the most. I was lucky that I have cousins at my age that I was around all the time. So no matter what, they were always more of an influence on me than the kids at school.

Yeah, that's easy, because as a parent that's an easier thing to handle. Exactly. But I mean like, so what do I do? Let's like pretend, let's play this out. That you know, Max ends up, you know, for some he's attracted to the the kid who's got the dysfunctional home and is a fuck up and is constantly trying to get him in trouble you know do I just flat-out say like I don't like your friend you can't come over he can't

come over you can't hang out with them I mean I've done that yeah yeah I mean I depends on the well yeah maybe but does it I mean, it depends on the age. Well, yeah, maybe. But does it? I mean, does it matter? I honestly just, it sucks, I think for, you know, to, to get to that point where you got to like address it. But I feel, I feel like it's better to be radically honest and like upfront and be like, look, like this kid just doesn't give me a good vibe. Like, I don't know what his story is, his background. That's where first thing I'll do is ask a lot of questions. And if I'm asking, and Ethan is really like picking up on this because like, you know, if I'm asking him

kind of interrogating him about somebody, I'm asking a lot of questions. So I could get enough data to make a better, you know, evaluation and you know, and then we've had moments where it's like there was something that came up where I was like, oh, you're getting into this? And it's like alarming. And it's like, he's going to be influenced.

And so I'm looking at this kid. And I've actually had to drive a kid home from hanging out from him. He can't stay here. He's going home. And I took him to his house and I told him, I'm like, you know, try, try again sometime, but here's what you want to do next time. You want to make a better impression. You want to look at adults in the eyes when you talk to them and you know, you

want to like, we're not your peers. Like you have to approach adults differently and you made a bad impression and this is a lesson you're going to have to approach adults differently. Yeah, and you made a bad impression and This is a lesson you're gonna have to learn and I was like and I'm not a sense of my character like typically to like be very But when it comes to my kids, that's exactly how I am. I can't help it Yeah, and so the kid was like taking it back like nobody's ever told him stuff like that before But it's just like that's not like a common thing that's taught anymore from other adults. Like, you gotta treat adults with respect.

If you're gonna stay in their house, you're not gonna stay in my house and not respect me. You're a damn straight. You're out. So yeah, I have had to have that. I mean, that's why, I mean, I agree with you. I think that I would take the same radical honesty approach.

It's almost always better to go that direction. I think I would take the same radical honesty approach. It's almost always better to go that direction. I think I would also pursue the parents, because I also recognize that every parent probably goes through a phase where their kid is challenged or more difficult than others. And if I felt like I could come to the parent, let's say it was one of your kids. Let's say you had this shit kid that my kid's hanging out with.

And I'm like, it would suck. It would suck. But then I come and I meet, but we don't know each other yet. You didn't deliver back to your house? We don't know each other yet. And I, and I like, it would suck. It would suck. But then I, I come and I meet, but we don't know each other. We don't know each other yet. Right. And I introduced myself and I meet you and I really like you. And I'm like, okay, I just want to give you a heads up, dude. Like your kids getting my kid to do some shit like this and how you respond to that matters. Everything to me, because if I can come to you and tell you your kids getting my kid to do some bullshit and like that, it's not okay. and I don't want to cut the relationship off and then the way you respond if you

get on it yeah and you can control it right away what do you mean with your kid exactly if you get defensive and you're like whatever about it or you're a loser like I'm like okay then I'm gonna then I'm gonna come to my son and I'm gonna be like here's the deal I don't I don't like your friend and I don't like his dad and so that's a problem for me Like if and honestly he's getting you into trouble He's doing these things and and then I would give him the whole spiel of you're the average the people you hang out with And all that stuff and teach him how important that is and say and it'd be okay Maybe if I met his dad and I thought he was learning something good from his dad

But his dad's a shit butt too, so I don't want you hanging out with him So that's probably how we go down But if I felt like I met Sal and so I like I really liked you and you're like, man dude, yeah, I'm having a hard time right now with the kid. It's his mom's fault. I like you. Son of a bitch, his mom's opinion. You always say you're a cool kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's at her house every other weekend would be funny, no. I think that's the move, though. That would be really, really difficult. It's not easy being a parent, man.

It's like you want to be buddies. You can't be a buddy all the time. You guide them in shepherdom. Well, also, who's having these conversations? I can't find these conversations anywhere. Who's having this conversation about that stuff? Like I mean, I knew that off air because you had shared that with me, which is part of why I wanted to talk about it.

But a lot of people just don't talk about that. And that's a big deal to have as a parent, to figure that out. Otherwise, if you just let some random kid teach your kid, like you could have had a good kid, and he's going to go down the wrong path because that kid really influences him. That's how powerful their influence is. I know people like that. Like you could have had a good kid and he's gonna go down the wrong path because that kid really influenced That's how that's how powerful their influences. Yes. I know people like that

They hung out with the wrong people and it just it just took him down. Yeah, I know I know a lot of people like that I'm like this is one of my favorite traits and I think I see that in my son like so the like I love that My son like loves Bowser like that's so weird. saying? He let like he hates Mario. He hates Luigi. He likes all the bad guys. And like I remember when he first was like all into that, like Katrina was just like, it's so weird. My son likes all the bad guys. And so I'm like, I love that. He's different. He owns it like he rocks Bowser rocks the bad guys. Everyone's like, no Mario. He's like, no Bowser. And I love that because that was like me. I

was, I love to be different than everybody Bowser. And I love that because that was like me. I was, I love to be different than everybody else. And so I hope that that's going to be a way that I can lean into that when he runs into that potential situation. Like, nah, son, you don't want to be like that kid. You you, you blaze your own path and you're not a follower and you don't need to be that way. So I, I think there's also that like as a parent, you have to learn to see if you have a kid that's like that because certain kids are different. Like in our family, when I look at all of my siblings, there's definitely some of us that are like, you know, trailblazers and are going to be ourselves. And there's definitely those

in our family that are like, you know, follow the crowd wherever the crowd will go. And as a parent, you got to be aware of which kind of kid you have and then know that when those situations come up, how you probably need to handle that or else the kids can. You know, it's another stat around that. I don't know. It's not, it is a stat, but, uh, that I heard that it was really impactful to me a long time ago was that you're going to know your kids as adults way longer than you're going to know them as kids. So it's like, you know, this, it's a short time.

Like it's really a sure. I mean, and really you have a lot of influence with your kid up until a certain point and even when they're and like as I just Said you start to lose that influence and then they're out but then you'll know them as They're adults much longer. So that's that's again. This is also what I guess that even reaffirms more that you know The move like moving somewhere. It's like temporary. That's right, it's a short part of your life. A few years. That's exactly what I think it's- That's all you have, you know, for that impactful moment.

One thing that I learned, just cause, you know, one of the things I struggled with, I mean, it's been a long time now since I got divorced with my first marriage, but it's one of the things that lasted for a long time, it was just traumatic. You go through that, you gotta, you know, divide the time with your kids, very hard to go through. One of the things for me was, it was like,

I didn't wanna upset my kids. I wanted to make things as easy and good as possible. And it seeped into and took over my ability to create boundaries in the parent. In fact, it made it very hard for me to do that. I always wanted to be the nice guy, the good guy or whatever. And more recently, I'd say just recently over the last

year or so I've really started to strengthen that and your kid doesn't like it they throw a fit and then they're over it and that's the part that really I knew that would happen logically but to experience it like oh yeah like yesterday she had a meltdown because I said she can't go to that thing or whatever, and it was all big drama. And then today it's fine. Or maybe a few days they're mad and then you're okay. And then I noticed I started getting closer

with my kid, you know, because they feel cared for. Well, I was gonna say, that's the other point that we've made before, is that the kids want actual discipline and structure. Whether they say that or communicate that or you think that. They otherwise feel neglected. That's right.

It's a form of love. Yeah. It's a form of love. You think the attention's always about like, you know, adoring them and like giving them all this positivity, but really it's like, give me structure. Yeah.

Give me this guidance. No, my wife was telling a story like that. She was telling my daughter how, she was like, oh, I story like that. She was telling my daughter how she was like, oh, I watched that movie when I was nine. And my daughter was like, nine? You know, she said, oh yeah, I went to the movies. Who'd you go with? Oh, I was by myself. And my daughter was like, huh? And she's like, yeah, nobody, I could do whatever I want when I was a kid. And it didn't feel good. No, of course not.

It felt neglectful. Yeah. You know? Well, you always have to remember as a parent too, that when they're acting out a little bit, that's, they're actually looking for the boundaries. So that's a natural thing for them to actually do that. And they're looking for, when's dad gonna step in? Oh, I can get away with that.

Let's see if I can get away with it. And then, and they're trying to figure that out. Subconsciously, that's what they're doing. And so having compassion in those moments and times, that, hey, this is very natural for them to stretch the boundary a little bit, to make sure you're checked, to make sure you're still checked in. And then you provide that boundary like, no, that ain't okay. There's the boundary. Like, okay. And then,

and then they might be mad initially when they run into that boundary, but then they course correct and they, then they, and they feel loved. They feel cared about because you've done that. I wish, I wish back then I was able to seek out more information on raising kids while divorced. I don't feel like there's enough, maybe there is. I didn't go out looking for it, but I didn't have any role models because of my family, everybody's still together. But there was lots of challenges around that that you don't anticipate. It's not the same. There's a lot of things that seep in that make you feel

like you can't be the way you wanna be or whatever, without even realizing it. There was more conversation around that. Yeah, I think some of that has to do with what you have already talked about with yourself, is just knowing that you have a hard time, you're not the type of person to go ask for help and look for that person.

You're used to being the guy with all the answers and leading, and so it's not in your nature to be like, you know, your nature is, I got this, I'll figure it out. I always do. Or that problem doesn't exist. Or that. Or worse. That's the other one.

That's fine. That's you, active denial. If there was a T-shirt in my gut. Yeah, if I had a T-shirt that was like a motto for like my mess ups, it's fine. Yeah. I mean. It's that one dog in hell.

Yeah, yeah. I'm fine. I'm cool. That's why I like the, what movie is that from? What fine stands for? No. Freaked out, insecure, neurotic, and emotional. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what fine stands for. Freaked out, insecure, neurotic, and emotional. You're fine. That's good. That was me forever, dude freaked out neurotic and emotional. That was me forever. Terrible. So, Hey, I wanted to, uh, we're supposed to talk about Zeebotics today, but for listeners don't know. This is one of our sponsors. This is a probiotic that's genetically modified.

You take it before you drink alcohol and then the bacteria, which lasts 18, 24 hours, I looked it up. It breaks down acetaldehyde in the gut. So the result is you feel way better because acetaldehyde from alcohol, that's what makes us oftentimes feel like crap. Anyway, I was looking up reviews, third party reviews for zoonotics.

So people don't know this, the way we discovered them was I brought up an article, which by the way I found, it was an old article. I think it was 2018. I found an article where there was a guy that- It's been that long that we've been found an article where there was a guy that... Is this when they got their attention? Yes, it was a tech article.

This guy talked about how there's this weird probiotic that prevents... It helps you feel better after drinking, whatever. The guy himself said, oh my God, I can't believe it worked. I talked about it on the show. Zebiotics got this boost in sales, tried to figure out where it came from. They contacted us. So I found, I ended up finding it. Then they sent the product.

Cause then at that point that was like the initial, they sent the product and then we tested it. Remember we tested it. We didn't just test it. We took it to the limit. We pushed the boundaries. Oh my. It was hurting.

Is that, and that's, Doug thinks it's still on Instagram. It's on Instagram. We'll find it for the YouTube channel. For sure. I know it's there somewhere. Listen. It's on Instagram. We'll find it for the YouTube channel. For sure. I know it's there somewhere. Listen, it's on a reel on Instagram a long time ago. I know it's in there somewhere. Way back when we first primed, probably back in 2018.

You go all the way back to when we first partnered with them. And people need to understand. So what we were trying to do is we were trying to make a video that would be funny, but that also would display this new company we're working with. And what it was, we bought a drinking game. And Adam, myself, Justin, and Doug,

were gonna play the drinking game, but before that we would drink Z-Botix, and then we would talk about, the next day we would record a podcast about how we felt. So that was what we were supposed to do. And we were sold though. I mean, I was sold right after that. But here's what we did.

We thought, we looked at the rules of the drinking game, and we thought this was gonna move too slow. Yeah, let's speed up and let's do hard alcohol. I'm like, yay! And let's make it more aggressive. Like you have to take two drinks here or three drinks. Dude, I was smashed. Just bro. Just destroyed. The most drunk I've ever been.

Yeah, I don't think even since then, I don't think I've had that. No, dude. Even as a collective group, we were like, and we've gone gone out and like hey, let's let her hair out a little bit And it was just like we've never since tapped anywhere close. No, no, I was I was Buzz I was stumble drunk like where I go where I'm walking out on the toilet And I had my wife pick me up and she's like, dude you say I mean they They have single-handedly Changed my relationship with alcohol.

Yeah. I was never, now I have drinks that I like and there's things that I'll try out. Yeah, because you don't feel like dog shit. Yeah, I just was, I was for the longest time an anti-alcohol person because it always ruined, not only did it ruin that day and night for me, it ruined the next day. Well, we actually came in the next day. It's not motivating. We came into work and we recorded the podcast.

Yeah. Who won that drinking game? Probably me. No, no you and I were out fast. Are we I remember? I thought we thought Justin did I think he did when I think I went too hard like I think I went like past like You got to find that you didn't you that whole time. Good. Bye fast I was either out first or second if I'm not mistaken And I know I don't think it was you and I didn't win. I'm pretty sure about that It's between me and Doug. I'm pretty sure because I remember Doug everybody was like, oh shit

Maybe it was Doug. Maybe he's done. I don't think I want I don't think it was Justin because I thought we thought Justin would win And that way we were surprised. I thought mmm.'s why I thought I won. Maybe he won. Well, he got the sickest, he said, remember? Oh yeah. Yeah. I was fine. It blew me away how fine I was. That's why I was like, this product is legit.

You know what? We haven't seen that clip. Yeah, when we ran out of what everybody was drinking in the beginning and then they added like whiskey, like, oh, cool whiskey. Yeah, just straight whiskey shots. Yeah, it was just straight whiskey shots. I was like, yay.

That was when we used to be fun. Yeah. We used to be fun. How funny is? We used to be fun. Oh yeah. How funny is that? I mean, that was cool back in the day. How long we've been doing this for now. Like to look back and just like, I mean, I'm now officially, right. I'm coming up on that in the next couple of months of this officially being the thing that I've done longer than anything else. That's weird to me. Wow. Yeah.

That's really, really weird to me. It, you know, when it feels like it's been a long time cause because it doesn't feel like it's, it's both feels like I've been doing this for a long time, but also feels new. I think it's that you obviously enjoy it so much. But when I look at your second, your third marriage, when I, yeah, when I, when I look at old clips of us and it looks like, like you ate that guy, I ate that kid. I don't know my head.

You stole all my muscle. It looks like slowly I absorbed it, bro. It took all my muscle. I would like to see a time lapse of that. It's just like an exchange. You know what's actually crazy? I bet body fat percentage of lean body mass has never changed.

Hey, listen. Like, as the group? I'm trying to stay as consistent as possible. That's how much I didn't change. It's like that Japanese fat tax, like our company body weight, lean body mass, has not changed. It's not changed.

There's just been a change. We've been consistent. It shifts, you know. We were one. We were one. We stayed one the whole time. Justin and Doug, I think stayed the same. We stayed the same. They have, they they have that went back. He always looks younger

I mean I was fatter than me. Yeah, you guys gave me shit. Yeah. Yeah. No you were I would say you We're just what Katrina and I were just watching something. I had to look up what it was. It was a good documentary show or something. And we were talking about companies and leadership. And Mark Cuban was getting interviewed. He was talking about, I wish I remember what it was. We're talking about dynamics of executives and teams like that. And talking about how difficult, and a partnership like this,

how crazy and rare, and not only just to work, but the longevity of it. Like even in situations where there is partnerships like that, it's very rare it goes on for that. I have some bands have done it. I figured out the secret. We tolerate each other so well. That's really what it is.

It's tolerating. Seriously. I think we're all pretty annoying at some That's really what it is. It's tolerating. Seriously. I think we're all pretty annoying at some point. I have annoying shit. I know I'm annoying for sure. Adam, Doug, everybody's got their shit. But I think we tolerate each other. Maybe you think what it is is that it's,

they're so different, the things that we hate about each other. They're different, completely different. They're so different, you know what I'm saying? Like if they were the same. Stop whistling shit, you're so different the things that we hate about each other I mean you think you think that you think it's more of tolerating appreciating well I tolerate it's a bad word it's more like we appreciate each other so much because it's bad shit is fine yeah you get like you know strengths and then blind spots and then that's what makes it definitely makes it what would be not that I ever want to experience this for sure so I'm not putting this out here together but it's a lot different at least in teams I've played on stuff like that when you have hard personalities right it

everything is easier when you're winning when you're losing and you have that boy is that difficult we've been really blessed that we've continued to find a way to win for almost ten years now we've won. Would you want to lose with anybody else? Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know. I don't want to feel... because then would be difficult. I feel like that's what we've always met. I think that's the... to me that's the redeeming thing of everything is as annoying everyone's traits are, we still find a way to come together and win yeah and if we didn't come together and still win and we were winners and we lost and we were losing then I think all those

traits would be exacerbated don't you think so yeah of course yeah of course that's you know but I personally, I wouldn't want to lose with anybody else. I think. Yeah. I agree with that too. I think if we were on a sinking ship. I always feel like we'll work our way out.

I do, I feel confident. I feel like we'll figure something out. But if we were on a sinking ship that was on fire and we were trying to figure our way out and we didn't, it would probably go down with all of our middle fingers. I mean, I'm gonna burn like some flesh. It'd be a bunch of middle fingers like this as it's sunk. And that makes me feel good, you know what I mean?

Okay, yeah, I don't like to think about that. I don't know. You'd have both middle fingers. So we'll keep winning, you guys. Yeah, I'm pretty convinced the winning has a lot to do with it. I have a feeling like that's gonna lose. You think we're such shitty, man.

What did that? He's like, you guys suck, man. I'm like, listen, this is important. But we keep winning, so we're fine. One minute we lose. I mean, but it's like, I mean, I can really relate that because I've experienced that before on a team and, uh, with, with personalities, cause anytime you're on a sport team, there's you're not everybody is alike and there's a lot of personalities that are stronger than others and guys.

Now here's the question. Is it, is it that the, that the team that works together well, understands each other's weaknesses and strength wins? Or is it that the winning team then is okay with each other's weaknesses? Which one causes which? Right, you're probably right. You're probably, it is the fact that we work so well, therefore we win. And then it's this feedback loop, right? Because we're winning, we also put up with a lot of things like that. So you're right. And I think so long as like that we have that team

attitude of hey, at the end of the day, I don't give a shit, I don't like this about this person, this for this, this, but as long as we come together enough that we win, that we put points on the board and we win, like then I can put up with all this stuff. It's when someone gives up or decides that they don't care about winning anymore that this becomes a problem and that hasn't happened.

Oh, is this it? You found it. Did you see what it said about Justin? He drank 94 proof. Can you turn it up so I can hear it? It said you drank 94 proof on the thing. Oh 94 proof. It said 94 drinks. Does it say who won? I think it does. I think it does at the end. If you're interested in hormone replacement therapy like testosterone replacement therapy or if you're interested in peptides if you've heard all about peptides like GLP-1, semaglutide or terzepotide or other peptides like BPC-157 to speed up healing and recovery and many many more, you're going to want to go through a doctor. Now we have partners at mphormones.com. These are doctors that will prescribe the right hormones for you

and the right peptides to optimize your body, your performance, help with fat loss, muscle building, libido, cognitive performance, sleep, and just your overall appearance. Go check them out. Go to mphormones.com. All right, here comes the show. First question is from Katherine89. What are the main qualities you look for in determining if a workout program is appropriate and will be effective? There are so many options online and I'm struggling to choose one and know what's good and what's not. Well, this is funny to me when people message us about this stuff like that. Why? Because we have it. Are you not going to sell maps right now? Yeah.

Are you not going to sell maps right now? Are you not going to sell? Like what, and are you asking me about other people's programs? Like, what do you think I'm going to say? Well, here's what I'll say. They want us to roast other people's programs. I don't know if that's, is that the desired outcome? Here's what I'll say, because it's, I think what they're looking for are qualities, as they said,

or factors, or the red flags look look for or whatever. I'll say this Obviously you listen to the show. So if you listen to us, you know, you hopefully, you know We know we talking about so our programs are gonna be good because we know we're doing now How would you what kind of qualities we'd look for in programs in general? Well, I'll say Or if it's strength training are the main compound lifts in there? Is the volume appropriate? What does volume that's appropriate look like? For most people, it's anywhere between nine sets to maybe on the very high end, 18 sets per body part per week. How does it feel? If you follow the program, do you feel wasted? Do you feel good? Is it a lot

of hype? In other words, is it dressed up with themes? Is it entertainment based? Yeah, but Sal, that's okay. So this is what I'm getting from this question. It's more like I'm shopping for programs online and I see a whole range of programs from $7 all the way up to $200. And how do I know looking at them from online what's good or not? Well, you don't. You're not going to be able to determine. Well, there's two, because they won't show you the workouts. Yeah, they're not going to show you all the workouts. You're not going to know. I mean,

this is why, I mean, I don't know, this is why the future of business for most people is buying from a trusted source. It's like, that's where we're seeing people getting their news and information from is getting it from a trusted source because just going in the internet and buying some random program. And it is a little more sophisticated than it should look like this like it there's more to it. It would be like me trying to determine so a good software engineer when I don't know how to read code like and determine whether they're good or not right like well hopefully they come from a referral from somebody else who's had them work for them and tell you that like they do great work,

therefore they probably write good code. Like, okay, cool. Because if they showed me a piece of paper and they went like, hey, this is the software code I'm gonna write for you, I'd be like, how the fuck do I determine if that's good for me or not? I have no idea. I think I could probably generally say this though.

I'll say this. Were the programs written by people who have strength and conditioning backgrounds or backgrounds in correction conditioning backgrounds or backgrounds in correctional exercise or backgrounds in actually working with people and training people? Or is it a program from a fitness influencer that looks good or that is ripped or a celebrity? Because then it's probably crap.

That's probably your two biggest factors when you're looking at online because there's going to be a lot of influencers out there selling their look and, uh, you know, their, their big following is, you know, as their, their weight and their clout. But I mean, to Adam's point, it's like, they have to be able to explain everything in nuanced detail. They have to be able to educate you constantly about, uh, whatever you're doing and going through in this program. And I just don't find a lot of programs

out there that have that kind of weight attached to it, like to be able to inform the consumer to a degree that you feel like, wow, I have a very good grasp of what I'm getting into, what the intention is, you know, also their background. And I've listened to them tell me over and over again and and I've applied some concepts, you know, on my own and realized, oh wow, that works. And it's like, the light bulb goes on. So again, it's the verified person really that you're buying it for. So true and such a good point that I would even say this, that I think our programs are the best on the internet, but still suck without the podcast. Yep. Like that part of it, because,

and we knew this, how complicated it was going to be to write this, even with all of our science background, all of our experience, the combination of all three of us, right, and all of our expertise, putting together what we think are the best programs we possibly can. We also recognize what a massive individual variances that even this or this amazing program,

MAPS on a ball could be great for this person and it may not be what's appropriate for that person. And you really got to listen to the podcast to learn to figure that out for yourself. To get that coaching. That's right. Without the podcast, that program is become subpar. And I still think it's the best that's on the internet.

So we did the best job we could of trying to think of a general avatar of like, this is probably what is going to work really well for most people, which is why random people who don't listen to the podcast could probably follow it and see better results than 90% of anything else out there. But even then, I still think it's completely incomplete without listening to the podcast and hearing us trying to educate around that. That's why that's so important. So if you find somebody online who you trust, they're science-backed, they have a lot of experienced training people, and then on top of that they're giving you continual conversations

around exercise and nutrition. Well shit, I mean, go for it. Try them out, buy it. Maybe they are gonna be, and there's, we have friends like this. Joe DeFranco is a good example that comes to mind. Right? Great, frigging top notch trainer, science-based,

tons of experience, writes digital programs, has a podcast he communicates things about. Like dude, that's a Jordan Shallow. Yeah, these are great examples of other great training coaches, but an Instagram model who's hot and has three million followers and writes a program? Yeah, okay, go follow that one. You know what I'm saying?

That doesn't make... That's not how you want to choose a program. And I remember even as a younger guy trying to figure out workout programming, I mean, the first time I found good workout programming, it was in the strength sports. It was in powerlifting and Olympic lifting because they had to stand the test of time and people had to use them and train them and it actually works. All the other routines were like, I mean, is there any science behind this? Is there any evidence or is it just at best, this is what worked for me.

Good production. And at worst, this is what's cool. Entertaining. Exactly. Next question is from Jamil A144. What are the best hamstring hypertrophy exercises for someone who works out at home? Romanian deadlifts with a barbell

are not just one of the best hypertrophy exercises for home workouts. They're just, period, end of story, one of the best hypertrophy exercises. You can load the bar significantly with that exercise. It loads the hamstrings in a stretch position, which we know is really, really good for hypertrophy. It's extremely functional in the sense that

you strength gains with that carry over quite a bit into other lifts. So that's gotta be one of the top ones. I do wanna add a little bit of nuance though to that answer, which is like, and I think this is a problem too with how hypertrophy is communicated all the time. There's like, these are hypertrophy exercises. These are strength exercises. Well, here's the deal. If all you did was train these five types of exercises and you do those ones all the time

and you've never done single leg deadlifts or you've never done good mornings or you've never done leg curls before, the novel stimulus will actually be one of the best hypertrophy exercises you could possibly do. So that variable matters, right? There's big bang for your buck type exercises which you addressed and some of the ones I just gave as examples, but there's also the novel stimulus of your body's never done that hamstring exercise and if you've never done that before, you're going to see hypertrophy benefits from it. So. Totally, but generally speaking, right,

you know, the best combination I ever found for at home workouts actually became my favorite combination period in the end of story was Romanian deadlifts and then physio ball leg curls. That combination right there, whenever I was chasing a heavy deadlift, you have to have strong hamstrings for that, it would blow up my hand,

I would get this full hamstrings and not even superset it, just I would do sets of the Romanians first, then I'd do the physio ball leg curls, and man, my hamstrings always got so strong and so developed from that. I have something that's different that I didn't see coming that personally I experienced was when I really worked on my squat depth. Oh yeah.

I was so surprised on the hamstring development that I got from going acer grass squatting. That was not the desired outcome, right? I'm thinking mobility and squatting and that's where my mind is at. And one of the things that- From that stretch, you go deep enough. One of the things I noticed I got from it was,

oh wow, I got really good hamstring development, not even like trying to isolate the hamstring. So, you know, and again, that was novel, right? I hadn't been squatting that way my whole life. I got this new, and I'm loading it, right? I'm squatting three, 400 pounds. Oh, my hamstrings got growth from that, even though I wouldn't consider that

a hypertrophy based thing. So you have to keep that in mind. And a little Nordic curls. Oh God, those are gnarly. Those are gnarly. Those are gnarly. They're great, butly. They're advanced. You definitely don't want to miss regular deadlifts, stiff-legged deadlifts, and good mornings.

Because all of those you can load. Really, really good. And those should be like cornerstone movements. And then there's benefits to all the novel things to incorporate in there. And if you've never done it before, then you're going to get that. Just a little slightly off topic hack. If you really want to develop your hamstrings to have a nice look to your leg, and typically this is women, work them first in your workout, hit your

hamstrings, then do the rest of the workout. And that prioritization tends to cause the hamstrings to really develop nicely. Next question is from Greg Martorano. When performing a unilateral exercise, is there any benefit to doing alternating reps versus one side at a time? So reps, okay, so this would be like doing a stiff-legged, excuse me, a single leg deadlift, going down with the left, up, then switching, down with the right, up, then switching, down with the left, up.

I typically don't alternate like that. I think it makes less sense. Yeah. Yeah. Just mainly because now you're switching, it's more of a balancing exercise because you want to establish stability and then just isolate and work on that one leg and really trying to build up strength around that instability. I think that's more the intention versus upper Uh, I think that's sort of more the intention versus like, you know,

upper body, I think you could probably get away with more, uh, alternating cadence. I think that's a great way to think of it. Right. So I, um, that was what was going through my head right away. It was like, I actually think this applies really well to almost all upper body exercise that come to mind right away. Bench press, shoulder press, right? Alternating them versus actually doing, you would never, I would never do a unilateral shoulder work

and, I shouldn't say never. Rarely ever would I just press on my right side and by itself and then switch over to the other side, I would alternate back and forth and I would get the benefits of unilateral training from my upper body. Now that's not to say you're right, I would probably still once in a while

do it by itself like that. But my legs, I would never do a single leg deadlift on the right side, put everything down, go to the left side, put it down, I would go all five to eight reps on the right side, all five to eight reps on the left side. You know it goes like this, that the hierarchy looks like this, barbell, dumbbells at the same time, dumbbells alternating and then one at a time. Because if you're doing one, you don't even have a dumbbell on the other hand, there's a whole different functional stability component that comes into play

where now I have weight on one side. I mean, like a one, imagine doing a chest press with one side, like you got to keep yourself on the bench, not flip over versus when you hold them both and alternate versus when you do them both at the same time. So there is a bit of like, okay, what am I looking for? Is it more hypertrophy? Is it more balance? Is it more stability of the core? Bodybuilders tend to do things for hypertrophy purposes. I think that's why they alternate. But I think if you have a weakness on one side, there's a real big imbalance. Focus just on that side because

otherwise it takes my focus off. Like if I have an imbalance between my left shoulder and my right shoulder, alternating them, it's going to mess me up a little more than if I just did my left and really focused on trying to bring out balance on the left side. You can control the little nuances that are pulling you out of alignment in good form. So that's really the consideration. If that's what you're trying to do going into the exercise Then you got to isolate that and that being on all the points that we made It's also true that if you did it's not a bad, you know, you know, it's not bad or it's not like

Uneffective or ineffective right like you Work it through those. Yeah, you do it I think the points that we're making is like there's a reason why I would prefer to do it on Side because I love that when you do a single leg exercise like that five to eight reps on one side the core Instability component is phenomenal where you do you lose that if you you put it down right away switch Hey constantly switch you lose that great core instability component Like you get a lot less of it than you would be taking breaks in between but it doesn't mean That there's not any value if you're doing that other way. Yeah they're both

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