Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 254: Mind Pump Goes Keto

Episode Date: March 14, 2016

The Mind Pump Crew has been experimenting with the ketogenic diet and are intrigued. Although there seems to be many benefits to eating this way it is important to know that the ketogenic diet is NOT the officially recommended diet of Mind Pump. In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin explore the ins and outs of eating this way. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. I have to share something with you guys. So, besides your STDs? No, I've already shared that with you guys. So, thank you for that. No, recently I just met somebody at Orange Theory

who came in, it was her first day taking a class. And anytime it's their first day, I try and spend a little bit of time with them afterwards or before the class just to kind of find out their fitness goals, what they're trying to do. So this girl, her name's Julie, really nice lady, a metter before I taught the class and she kind of gave me her backstory

and what she's been doing going through fitness wise and Afterwards I said oh, you know you got you got to listen to my podcast I said you'll you'll enjoy it and I kind of give her like a quick rundown on it well now I've been seeing her in my classes and She's been she's been binge listening, you know she started and I said start from the beginning listen from the beginning I said in fact I think episode one is women's fitness myths and I I said, it'll be a great one for you. Because based off of what some of the stuff she was sharing with me, that people have been

telling her and stuff like that, she's like, I was like, you know, just go listen to the podcast and everything, and then, you know, get back to me. So she unboxed me, and we've been communicating back and forth. She absolutely loves the show. I think she's like on episode 40 or something now, as she's working her way up through it. And she says, I have quite the funny story to share with you. I was going to tell you after class this morning, but I had to rush to work.

I was kicked out of a Get Healthy, it was a Get Healthy Facebook group last night for sharing information I learned from you guys about protein shakes. She says, they all drink them every day. It's their go-to breakfast and afternoon snack. I was kindly explaining how I learned from you guys that they're incredibly processed and have artificial sweeteners, et cetera, et cetera. And they got pissed. Four girls attacked me about saying I didn't know what I was talking about and that they were, they were, they've lost all this weight because of protein shakes. I simply responded by telling them they could smoke crack every day and lose weight, but it doesn't

mean it's good for you. Oh, she is a mind-pump listener. Yes, and then they deleted me from the group You know it's weird I know that was epic. Why is fitness like that fitness is like this like you bring up something that's different Yeah, or that's a different you know like hey check this out This is actually and people get pissed like you just super defensive like you called out the religion Well, I my exact response was her was laugh out loud people in their dogma Yeah, you know that you get loud, people in their dogma. Yeah. You know, you get stuck in this dogma

and you just can't, people cannot get over. Well, especially if that's the formula that they did see some change. And really, it's just the fact that they probably cut down their calories and moved a bit more. But now their association with this process is the protein shakes. It's so funny, like, okay, I'm gonna take

150 calories shake, and that's gonna make me lose weight. No. No, sorry, you just defied the second law of thermodynamic. Right. You need to go. If that's the case, you just broke the frickin', you just broke the universe. Well, it goes right back to all the beautiful marketing that we always run into, which is,

protein shakes. There's always a label on it with some super thin girl or some buff dude and it's always geared towards building muscle or burning fat. It's like protein that burns fat or some shit. This is why I wish, this is one of the reasons why I wish steroids were legal because then the advertising would be true.

They'd have a before and after. You know what I mean? You'd be like, fuck, that guy. Whoa, it works. He gained like 20 pounds I mean? You'd be like, fuck, that guy. Whoa, it works. He gained like 20 pounds of muscle and I'd be like, yeah, something that's a real picture. It should actually, she was really buff syringe. He went on some juice and that's what I have.

Unlike this other stuff. Unbelievable. Gentlemen, how's your sleep been lately? Mine's been good. Has it? Yeah, just recently, I'm fine. So the night tears. Are you finally sleeping better now, Adam? Yeah, I'm getting there, you? Mine's been good. Yeah. Has it? Yeah, just recently, I'm fine. So, the night tears.

Are you finally sleeping better than I don't? Yeah, I'm getting there, you know. It's good. Are you doing what I told you where you do the little handy before you go to sleep? No. Did you help them with that? No, no, no.

What? I, you know, I've been noticing some things on, you know, we've been running this ketogenic diet for a while now and some things I like, some things I don't like, some of the things I really like. So some of the things that I will talk that I enjoy about it, I do notice my sleep.

I tend to sleep better. I don't have cravings. That's really fascinating to me right now. Keytones are appetite suppressant. Okay, so, and we know we've talked about this before. The big joke when Sal originally started doing ketogenic was, I told him I said, bro, and we know we've talked about this before, that the big joke when Sal originally started doing ketogenic was I told him I said, bro, fuck off, I love carbs. I eat 400 grams of carbs plus a day

and maintain the body fat that I want to. And I love carbs, so in my whole life. It was basically a competition of who has better sales skills. To Salar Adams. Oh no, then Adam lost here on this one today. Hold on, hold on, let me bask in it for a second. You can let Doug get to repeat that three times for you. Doug, could you wear that on a loop, please, for him?

Yeah, feed that ego. No, so I, no, it would so fascinating to me. This is a part, I have to be honest, and I have to say that, I had to listen to our own advice, and how many times has this happened to us? And this is how this show has been created, how it's been involved is, you know, that came out of my mouth. There's no way I'm giving carbs up.

I absolutely love carbs. I eat 400 grams of carbs a day. That would, you're silly. If you want to do this ketogenic, you know, no carbs, all fat type of deal, that just sounds ridiculous to me and no fun. Well, when I really start to look outside and pull myself out of that and listen to what I'm saying when I'm saying that, I sound like a fucking drug addict.

You know, I sound like somebody who's addicted to something that is thinking like, you're crazy. There's no way I'm kicking this habit. I absolutely love it. It gives me all these things and I'm thinking to myself, wait a second, okay. I owe it to myself, which I've always been this type of person that I've never had any sort of addiction problems in my life. I've never battled any of that. Anytime I've ever experimented or tried things,

I've always had the self discipline to be able to recognize or notice if it's getting something that's becoming a habit and pulling myself out. Well, we don't really think about this, but why don't we ever think about that with food? Why don't we ever look at it like that? And I had to ask myself that, do I have somewhat of an addiction to these carbohydrates?

Do I feel like I need to have this? Like, I'm not going to have to have that? And I had to ask myself that, do I have somewhat of an addiction to these carbohydrates? Do I feel like I need to have this? So that being said, that was what really motivated me more than anything else. I say, all right, I'm gonna give this a try. I'm gonna be really disciplined on it

and see how I feel and really be objective about it and honest with myself. And when I first started doing it, I noticed my balance weren't off. I wasn't tracking. I was just simply, okay, I'm gonna stay away from carbs completely and eat fat more often. And what I was doing was I was eating fatier meats

and I was staying away from carbs. But what was happening to me was I was still eating lower calories. I was still eating a high amount of protein, and my fats were nowhere nearer high enough. That's the thing that a lot of people screw up on is that they just don't eat enough fats. And then at first I thought, oh, this isn't for me, because I felt like, remind of me,

what it felt like when I'm on low carb depleting for a show. And I know what that feels like. I don't want to live on a regular basis like that. That's miserable. So my first initial, I was like I know what that feels like. I don't want to live on a regular basis like that. That's miserable. So, you know, my first initial, you know, I was like, oh, this is terrible. Then, well, you know what, I haven't really tracked. Let me see my ratios.

And then I realized I was only getting about 150 to 200 grams of fat, which that's nowhere, it's like, that was like a one to one from protein to fat. And it's not supposed to be that way. It's, you know, the ratio should be much higher of fats than proteins. And my protein should be much higher of fats than proteins. And my protein should be at more of a moderate level than even close to a one to one.

So I was like, man, I actually have to like actively go after fats. Like I got to add like two avocados to a meal. I got to put olive oil on something. I got to eat just straight nuts for, you know, I had to really, I could put my butter and heavy whipping cream in my coffee and doing these things, uh,

that I had never done before where I was purposely going after all these fats. Once I started doing that, um, I was extremely fascinated by what I felt. Uh, I haven't had over 50 gram, I haven't had over 25 to 50 grams of carbs since our little mishap at our weekend. Other than that,

I've been running this extremely high fat diet and my workouts are fine. My pumps are great, my energy levels. And most of all, I notice that I don't crave these foods. We have a bag of cookies that have been in here for almost a week. I got a box of junior medicine house. I have ice cream in my freezer. That shit would never last a day.

Because if I eat 400 grams of carbs, I would just like a IFYM fucker. I would go like, well, I'll fit two or three of those suckers in there, you know, and I would justify that. But you have no craving. I don't. It's a very strange phenomenon.

And it's important to know, it's funny because we've been sold so hard. And again, I want to be, I want to clarify, if you're listening to this right now, we are not keto, genic diet is not the official diet of my pump. Not at all. We're not, I won't be on it long.

I'll tell you there right now. We're not promoting it. We're not saying it's a thing to do for some people it's excellent I'm one of those people. I'll probably never go off at fuel fantastic on it. Some people don't which is fine Nonetheless, there are some very interesting effects from it one of them is sleep a lot of people notice They sleep really good inflammation is a big one people have less inflammation on it I definitely do and it's especially when you bring your carbs way down and bring the fats way up. But here's the thing, like we've been conditioned to believe that we need to have so much protein all the time,

especially in the fitness industry, that we have all these protein supplements. And it never becomes an issue to get enough protein because we take protein powders. And we're always eating protein with every meal. When you're eating ketogenic diet, just reverse that into fat. Think to yourself, like, okay, the predominant percentage of my calories is going to come

from fats. So you have to attack it with the same type of focus that you would normally with protein. Whereas before, I'd always be like, I need to have protein with every meal. Now I'm thinking, I need to have my fats and then my proteins are secondary. So I'll have whole meals that are 12 grams of protein, but like 60 grams of fat. So it's just the reverse, and it's just, if you do it right, if you're going to try it, do it right, and then see if it's for you. Otherwise, if you're not doing it right, and you're doing like your typical bodybuilding

low carb diet, you're just going to feel like shit, and you'll think it's the keto's fault. But the real point is that you're trying it out, right? And that's the biggest thing that we're trying to make sure that everybody understands that there's things that come across that have like valid science behind it and people have had, you know, good result from it and they've been able to adapt to these things. And so why not experiment with that? Why not challenge yourself just like going through a new type of a workout routine?

Why not challenge yourself to give it a try and see what it does to your body and pay attention, respond, take notes, and take that with you going forward, because then you can always have that as another go-to tool. Well, it's interesting. It keeps me very, very, I'm stricter now on this type of eating than I would be on other types of eating where I have be on other types of eating where I have more carbohydrates, mainly because the appetite suppressants effects.

I have zero cravings for any type of sugar, zero. Now, I know for a fact, I've done this before, if I have some sugar, I was just gonna, this was gonna be my, what I was gonna say, the negative stuff that I've noticed about it. Yeah, if I have some sugar, it's gonna make, I'm gonna have a red,

like this craving for sugar will go through the roof. And I've done it before. That happened you over the weekend, right? You had a little bit about it. Yeah, if I have some sugar, it's gonna make, I'm gonna have a red, like this craving for sugar will go through the roof. And I've done it before. That happened you over the weekend, right? You had a little bit and it was like, and so that's, this is the part that I always like, Derek Queen. Yeah, no, what was very difficult for me was the minute that I introduced anything like that.

As soon as I shot over that 50 gram, I was like, that was like the sweet spot. Once, 50 grams of carbs hit me, especially at one sitting, you know, if I had like a croissant or some shit, you know, and Once that hits me, it's it's from then on. That's all I wanted all day long. So I thought so here that's where You got to be careful and where I'm not a huge fan of it is because of those reasons you got to be somebody like probably like a cell Who really it's very conducive to your lifestyle You like it. It works well for you.

You enjoy it. You feel great. You notice that you don't have cravings. You really are ever going to be around situations where you're going to want carbs or be around it, not a big deal. So that's, that's the thing that you got to watch out for because that's what I notice. Like, okay, so when I normally eat 400 grams of carbs and I go a little over a little under on a day, it's, it's not as much of a fluctuation where I, if I go from never, ever really eating them because I'm a ketogenic, then also and I introduce a little over a little under on a day, it's not as much of a fluctuation where

if I go from never, ever really eating them because I'm a keto genic, then also, I introduce a little bit of them. It's hard to shut the valve off. Oh, dude, your brain goes into like, it's because your brain has now identified that you're around this very quick, easy source of energy,

and it's going to turn its gears into high gear to get you to eat more. And it definitely, I've noticed it. If I stay away from them, I'm completely fine. As soon as I start eating them, I binge. Yeah, it reminds me when you look, do you think of like an addict? When you think of, that's why I use that analogy.

I start to feel that that, that, that, that, that, like an addict with a drug or, you know, cigarettes or whatever it is. I mean, they're going so good without having any of it. And then when they decide, oh, I just, let me have a little smoke or let me try a little bit and all of a sudden,

then the cravings come through the roof. Yeah, and you know, on this, because we're on the topic, I read an interesting article by some researchers who postulated, and they made a very compelling case for the fact that maybe the system of making ketones in the body and using ketones for energy, they think and they have lots of evidence to back it up, that that's the original energy source that humans ran off of. And we later developed an evolutionary secondary source of producing energy. I heard that too.

I've heard that once they found, I don't know if it was like honey like some kind of berries or something like that, then it just sort of changed the entire process. Yeah, we evolved to be able to utilize glucose and carbohydrates and starches for energy, but the original way that our body uses energy is through ketones and there's lots of evidence to prove this. Number one, it's the way the mitochondria uses ketones a very clean way. It's neuroprotective. And also because even if you're lean,

the amount of stored energy you have on your body in the form of fats and ketones is within, you know, 10 times more stored glycogen you could ever have from eating carbohydrates. So it makes sense, especially if you're, you know, in evolutionary sense, you know, walking around looking for food and you're trying to hunt something

and you can't get anything, your body's got 30,000 calories of stored fat and ketones versus you could carve yourself to hell and you'll have maybe 6,000 calories of stored. Like it just totally makes sense. This is interesting too, we did bring up somewhat cholesterol on how anecdotally you've felt. I don't know if it's because of the protective cell, properties it brings, but how much stronger

you feel as opposed to extracting cholesterol from your diet. Yeah, they do this, they've done a lot of studies. Boosting your cholesterol intake will give you a short term, a big strength boost, and it has a lot to do with the central nervous system. But the body will start to try and regulate by producing less cholesterol. So when I do that, I'll bump my cholesterol intake. I'll have some strength gains for about three, four weeks.

And then it'll start to taper off a little bit. But it's pretty interesting. So if you want a little quick boost in strength and you're in good health, you don't have issues with producing cholesterol, which most of us don't. Yeah, try eating 800 grams of cholesterol a day milligrams of cholesterol a day, or a thousand milligrams of cholesterol a day for, you know, five days in a row and watch what happens to your strength. It's pretty awesome. One of the things that people are so concerned about when they see it or read it, I hear is that, you know, oh, if I'm going to be eating all this fat, it's going to clog my arteries

and, you know, what's going to happen from that, all the adverse effects of. That's true. That's going to be the first reaction people will probably give is like, oh my god, because that's, that's like the staple thing that's been pounded in her head. Well, here's a deal. First and foremost, it's not fat that is causing that to happen. It's inflammation within the arteries. Sugar and carbohydrates raised triglyceride levels more than fats do. And when you look at cholesterol, we've looked at cholesterol, blood cholesterol, I should say. And when you look at cholesterol, we've looked at cholesterol, blood cholesterol, I should say, and we've broken it up into two categories, right, your high density lipids and your low density lipids.

And one is good and one is bad. But the truth is, it's not that black and white. In fact, your low density lipids are the bad cholesterol. You can actually break up into subcategories. And for example, saturated fat, if I had to die at that's high in natural saturated fats, like coconut oil or even from grass fed meats like beef or whatnot, it will raise my total cholesterol numbers. It will raise my good cholesterol, but it also

raises my quote-unquote bad cholesterol. But when you look deeper, the LDL cholesterol that it raises, it changes the particles from the smaller, more dense, or more inflammatory type particles to the bigger, fluffier type of LDL particles, but that actually don't have a negative effect. So although then total number raises, if you look closer, and they're doing, now that there are blood tests, now that we'll look at more specifics,

they'll find that your cholesterol numbers higher, but you're not at any greater risk, if anything, you have a more protective effect from consuming. Well, this is all correlated to why the American Heart Association had to come back way back or just what last year when they first had to come back and say that dietary cholesterol no longer, I mean, it's, we're talking about

spitting hairs on what effect it actually truly has on your blood cholesterol levels, from an adverse effect. Sure, it'll show that it spikes up, but what we're finding out that some of that is actually a good spike and not necessarily a bad spike. And so they had to come back out. That was a year ago, right? Was a year ago when we announced that,

I believe when that first came out. Yeah, they said now that dietary cholesterol is actually no longer a nutrient of concern for overconsumption. So what that means is you can eat it, you eat it and it's not gonna do anything. The thing is, we've known this, we've known about this for a while now.

It takes the FDA and some of our government agencies a long time before they change their position on things because it's a big ship. And a big ship takes a long time to turn. It's money, man. It's affects everyone's pockets. That's why it's the reason why we talk so much shit about. All cholesterol pills.

So much shit about IFYM and your artificial sweeteners and all the study. Of course, all the studies are still at that because this ship is barely starting to turn. I mean, if you go into the doctor's office and they're still going to look for your cholesterol levels, I mean, that's a high priority for them in order to show you a metric of something that they can visibly show that it's decreasing. But is that necessarily like what we're trying to achieve? Is that a marker for health that we should be concerned with? No, as a matter of fact, if you look at people that live the longest, they actually have

higher cholesterol. This is a fact. If you're listening right now, if you're listening right now and you don't believe me, look it up. People who live the longest tend to have higher cholesterol levels. Cholesterol, especially when it's a good balance, has a very protective effect on the body, and it also helps fight infection. Low cholesterol levels are connected to depression, anxiety, suicide, they're connected to mental illness, and they're connected to higher rates of infection. So if you have a higher cholesterol level, but they're the good ratios, you're not going

to have a higher risk for heart disease, but you'll have a higher rate of fighting disease or a better rate of fighting infection, which happens to be one of the top killers of the elderly. As you get older, once you get past a certain age, old people, once past 80, they die from things like falling down, breaking a hip, getting infection, getting pneumonia. Having those higher cholesterol levels helps. And higher cholesterol levels, a good cholesterol, but higher cholesterol levels is also closely tied to better cognitive function.

The brain is made up of fats and cholesterol. In fact, evolutionary scientists will tell you that one of the number one reasons why humans probably have almost always ate meat was because we wouldn't have evolved these big brains, how do we not consume all these animal fats? This is another point that gets overlooked a lot of times when we're trying to be so concerned with inflammation by extracting red meats and these meats out of our diet. Whereas like you said, like we've evolved to greater the size of our brain by eating meats.

It's actually, this is a fact, again, that ketones have a natural anti-inflammatory effects and they're neuroprotective. This is an absolute fact. You cannot debate this. It is a fact in science. People with Alzheimer's and dementia, it is actually considered a novel treatment for them

to put them on a ketogenic diet. If you take some with Alzheimer's and you have them remove their carbohydrates and replace it with healthy fats, you will have a better cognitive function. In fact, Alzheimer's itself, which is dementia, but much worse, right? Since it's related to it, has been called by some researchers as type three diabetes. That was going to say diabetes. That was a shock to me. Yeah, it's just showing it's the brain's inability.

You can have insulin resistance in the brain and nowhere else. So you can have fine, the way your muscles use insulin, everything else, so they'll test you and find that, oh, you don't have type two diabetes, but the way your brain uses insulin, it'll be insulin resistant. And that they believe is what Alzheimer's actually is. And so when you take yourself from eating all these grains and carbohydrates and eat more

fats, you eliminate that problem just like you get someone who's got diabetes and you do the same thing and it helps. Well, and I'm sure too, the genetic factors, if you're contributing to that, you know, it might spark that to occur more likely if you're flooding your body with like these carbohydrates and inflammation agents. Well, here's an agent. Well, if your body has a very limited process to store carbohydrates, and the liver has a limited ability to process carbohydrates in particular fructose.

So it's easier to overeat carbohydrates and have negative effects than it is to overeat fats or proteins. Overeaning fats or proteins are not going to cause a dramatic of negative effects on the body as overeating carbohydrates. And why? Because let's be honest, in nature, carbohydrates are relatively rare. Where would you, right now, if we were hunter-gatherers, and we live in California with nice weather and shit grows all over the place. If we were hunter-gatherers right now, walking around foraging for food and hunting, how often do you think we'd come upon a natural orange tree or a natural fruits and vegetables that are growing?

And think about the tribe that's protecting that, right? If they found that resource, like, come on. Right. It's not going to be readily available. Right. It's not something that is naturally occurring in nature in a very available, quickly, you know, it's available everywhere. It's just not. So it's likely that we probably ran off of fats and proteins a lot of times. And then when we find carbohydrates in nature, we over ate the hell out of them.

And why would the body want you to over eat these carbohydrates in nature? Because foods that naturally contain carbohydrates also tend to in nature because foods that naturally contain carbohydrates also tend to in nature contain certain nutrients and vitamins which are very important like vitamin C. Vitamin C is found a lot in, you know, fructose containing foods like fruit. And it's kind of hard, it's harder to find vitamins, although you can synthesize vitamin C to an extent, but it's harder to find vitamin C in animal sources, right?

But then again, we talked about this in our sugar episode where that's paired with fiber. So you also get the nutrients, like eating this fruit as a whole. And the sugar content is way less than what we have that's so readily available today in various forms. So you're talking about breads, even you're talking about pasta,

you're talking about at least processed ways that we change this into glucose. Like, it's very easy for us to over-consume. Right. Especially when you're talking about things like berries, because I mean, the ratio of the calories and carbohydrates and sugar to the fiber that you're getting from it, it almost negates it. I mean, that's, it's, to me that, you're getting from it. It almost negates it. I mean, that's, to me, that's, you know, I want you to explain to people

because I know there's people listening right now that they're like, okay, wait a second. I know that I've read studies 10 years ago and the last five years, maybe even that, you know, against butter and against red meat and all these things and all the heart conditions that have came from that and stuff. Explain to people why and what's wrong, what was wrong with those studies and what it

was as far as like, you know, probably 99% of those people are living in a surplus of calories and that's really what is. The fat hypothesis was, came out and I can't remember the scientists for the life of me. I want to say his name is Ansel Kees. I don't remember. scientists is for the life of me. I wanna say his name is Ansel Keys. I don't remember. Is that his name? Ansel Keys. He took a survey of 22 countries and he looked at their eating habits

and he identified six or seven of them as having higher rates of heart disease and he said it's because they eat more fat in their diet. Now, here's the problem. He completely, and by the way, this guy won a Nobel Peace Prize for it. He was on the cover of Time Magazine, and I hate to say this,

more often than not scientists are not like this, but a lot of scientists want, they want to, you know, recognition. And I think that's what he was after. And we know this now because when you look at all 22 countries and you put them on a graph, there is zero correlation to fat intake and death. What he did is he picked the six countries

that made sense to put into his theory and he cherry picked them and said, here you go, here's your evidence, more fat equals heart disease. This is now false. There is no correlation, new science shows, there is no correlation to fat intake or saturated fat intake to heart disease and death.

No correlation whatsoever. So that's where that started. But then there's other stuff. So misleading. So misleading. And of course, public policy then was modeled after that. And we pushed the food pyramid, which is grain heavy, which is heavy. Oh my god.

Who am I wondering who bought that to go through? Ironically, ironically through our school systems, right? Absolutely. And then you had other studies on cholesterol where they would take animals like rabbits and they'd force feed a machete to a cholesterol and the rabbits died and they had all these heart problems. Rabbits don't have a regulatory system like ours

in terms of how their bodies can regulate cholesterol. Like if I eat a lot of cholesterol, my liver makes less of it. If I eat a a lot of cholesterol, my liver makes less of it. If I eat a little bit of cholesterol, my liver makes more of it. This is why your cholesterol levels total numbers. A lot of it's generally genetic. This is why they say,

you can have someone very healthy, very fit, higher cholesterol level. And that's why we break it down into good cholesterol, bad cholesterol, and then break them up in its subcategories now. But that's where a lot of these studies were based on. You have studies now showing, or you've seen articles recently saying, red meat linked to increased risk of cancer.

They don't, it's like red meat was just this category and everything that was made from red meat falls in that category. I mean, I could eat freaking, I could could eat a high, you know, meat from a cow that it grains only and it was unhealthy. And I take it and I process this shit out of it and turn it into sausage or something like that or I make it into a, a, some kind of a snack that it's in a package. And that counts as red meat. That's not the same. That's not, you can't put that all together. Salami. Salami is considered red meat. Now, Salami's highly processed and probably has all kinds of other shit in it.

I really wish they had like this, this very blanketed category where you could take the quality of all those factors. Like if there was a way that if somebody did this like extensive work, and I know that they've done some kind of like nutrient quality, like they've tried to like make metrics out of this, right?

So even in Whole Foods has adopted this sort of nutrient, sort of count as far as what scores the best. However, those are the factors that like, there's all these policies in place that limit information to the consumer. And so this is why it's so frustrating for people to understand that they don't really understand what is quality and what is not other than

a branding label saying it's organic or like this new information that people even wanna pay attention to that. But all these factors, they contribute to the overall quality of what you're consuming. Well, I would say probably the last people you should listen to when deciding what's healthy. Is the people selling it?

Well, that and it's your first red flag. And the government is the last. They have now been shown to have made some horrible recommendations. When I was kid, when we were kids, you know. They're so biased because of corn and wheat. You did. But just from those two things alone.

It's money, man. What is it? It's a billion dollar industry, right? Oh, okay. So you're genius to produce. Are you kidding me? Like corn and wheat have so much power. The biome, the, you know, the companies

that genetically modified corn, soy, huge power. You're talking about companies that were... You're talking about companies that put presidents in presidency, bro, that's what you're talking about. Bro, you're talking about power. You're tax dollars, go to pay these companies. So they're making money no matter what.

They, these are the makers of, I'm not gonna name names, but some of these big huge biomedical companies that make GMOs, we're also the makers of Agent Orange. That was the fucking chemical that we sprayed all over the jungles of Vietnam, and all these soldiers came back with cancer and shit. They made DDT.

They are in the business of doing this kind of shit. They made GMO crops not to sell or feed people, but to sell more of their glyphosate chemicals, which are herbicides. So they make a plant that can withstand a ton of the herbicides, and then they sell you the plant so that you have to buy the herbicide. And big, go brilliant. Yeah, they're brilliant because then they also control the seed. So the seed, that's the GMO specific, like they can actually,

like farmers have to buy that in order to, you know, withstand like the seasons and all these types of things. That's how they sell it. Bro, I'll tell you something right now. This is, this is the, this thing makes me so fucking angry. I'm all for, I'm always all for the market. I'm always for let the consumer decide what's best for them. Okay. However, I am never, I never consumer decide what's best for them. Okay. However, I am never, I never support when we're being misinformed. When you're misinforming the consumer and they're making a decision based on that misinformation, then fuck you. I don't like you anymore. So here's what irritates me about GMOs. GMO companies came out with corn, which is a genetically

modified crop. So they take and it's not modified in the breed, the way we breed them before. So that's selective breeding. No, they took, they took a gene from, you know, a bacteria or whatever, literally, and they inserted it into corn to make it withstand high doses of herbicide so that you could spray it with this weed killer and it won't die. Some of these corn, but if some of these crops, by the way, are genetically engineered to produce their own weed killer or insect killer. So an insect will eat it and there's a natural insecticide that is created. And the insect will die.

In the fucking food. And we think eating that's not going to do anything. Bro, that's in your food. You'll eat it and you're eating this insecticide that the plant is producing. This is no joke. Yeah. So anyway, they produce this thing. They make this this plant and of course nobody's gonna buy it like nobody's gonna buy You know genetically modified corn if they put that on the market everybody's like I'm not gonna buy that shit They knew this so like how are we gonna sell this product?

Well, first of all we need to we need to be able to call it corn so that nobody knows a difference Oh, but we still want to patent it. So when you patent something, as you guys know, you patent your iPhone or whatever you make a product, you patent it. You have to, you patent it, nobody can make that same exact copy, okay? They wanted to patent a product,

but they wanted to call it corn. They wanted to call it by its natural counterparts name. So now I'm competing against the organic farmer who grows organic corn mine is gm o corn but we're not going to tell the consumer we're just going to call a corn so they they they went to court and uh... the the the basically they said uh... you know that the other farmers

said you can't call this corn because it's a patented product it's your product so you can't patent this product so they went all the way to the supreme court can we patent our corn? The deciding the deciding vote went to one of the Supreme Court justices who just so happened to Prior have a career as an executive for when it's very large GMO companies and it passed dude Ideas like that would never like you'd never be allowed a patent for that because it's a resource that anybody has available. It's just like water and air and dirt and, you know.

Fuck off. I don't mind them patentating it. I just mind them calling it corn. It's your product that you created, fine. You know that's what I mean. They call it corn because it's assuming that like to the consumer. They're like, yeah, okay, it's corn. No, it's not corn, it's assuming that like to the consumer, they're like, yeah, okay, it's corn.

No, it's not corn, it's something else. Right, so now you have a very short period of time from the mid 90s to now, it went from zero market penetration to 85%. 85% of processed foods contain some type of GMO in them. So, you know, and this actually goes right into the keto discussion, because people talk a lot about,

oh meat is so processed, and the animals are pumped full of this and that. You're fucking vegetables are too, my friend. You gotta make wise decisions. You gotta make very wise decisions with your food, whether you choose to eat, you know, vegan or you eat carbohydrates or you're eating keto.

The, just because it says beef or corn or wheat or whatever, doesn't mean it's necessarily giving you the good benefits of those things. Look and see how your food is made, what your food eats, how your food lives, all the stuff impacts. Where did we get the idea that whole wheat was good for you? What did that, I don't know, I actually, someone was talking to me.

No, I know, that's still brand in today. Oh, dude, I was talking to somebody and they came up to me and they were telling me, like, hey, you know, I'm been trying to lose weight. I'm doing this and I eat really good. And I said, well, you know, give me an idea of your day. Well, and they're explaining and they're justifying their foods and they're talking about,

well, I eat really good. When I eat my sandwich from white bread to whole wheat. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what the she said. She says, you know, why eat a lot of whole white bread. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what she said. She says, you know, why eat a lot of whole wheat bread, you know, and then I'm like, I just kind of chuckle my, where did that come from? Where did we, where did we get it? Getting, man.

I know, right? But do you remember, do you guys remember? Whole wheat can be just as processed as the frickin white stuff. If you get like sprouted, you know, grain, stuff like that, then it's a little bit better, low on, some of the flour. Yeah, inflammatory flour, maybe, but I mean, you know, grains, then it's a little bit better low on some of the flower. Yeah, inflammatory flower maybe, but I mean, you're going to get like more nutrients. It might, you know, it's going to be better for you on the glycemic index. Maybe it's a lot more like cardboard, but yeah, that going for you. Yeah, exactly, but you're still, you know, you're still,

it's better than that's what it is basically. So it's better than what it was. It's the top of the ship pile. Right, but it's not great. I think grains should, for the most part, should not be the predominant, you know, thing that's in your food intake. I don't, I just don't believe it at all. There are cultures that might eat. Well, it's not necessary. No, I mean, nothing, that's just how I, I think it's what's, and I, this is the first time I ever heard what you said earlier about, that there's people that believe that we started or we evolved with, without even really eating carbohydrates as a primary source of fuel, and we've now evolved into making that because of everything.

So to me, that makes a lot of sense because I feel like there's so many adverse effects from over consumption on carbohydrates and the need for it's not essential. It's the one, and it's funny because all these diets, even the diets that we were trained as trainers to teach somebody was a 65% carbohydrate intake. That's what we, every diet I ever wrote for a client for the first 10 years of my career was a carb heavy diet.

And never once did I stop to really think the question that let, why would a non-essential macro nutrient make its way into being the predominant one that we consume for overall health? Well, you know why? Does that seem backwards in itself? No, we are all scared to go straight too far away from the RDA, right?

Because that's like, I mean, if you do that, then you're starting to look at people that look at you, like you're some kind of weird, you know, off, you're going off the rails. You know, like we have a standard that we try and promote here. And then this is what science is already telling us. And so it's like, I mean, what's logical for us is shunned, you know, and the nutrition community is going to come after us.

Well, you got to ask yourself, now, where does the RDA come from? You know, where, where's that derived from originally? Well, I mean, they derive it from some science and then of course there's lobbying that goes in there. And so, and they're only gonna be as good as their information, even if you eliminate the lobbying, it's gonna be the studies that they're gonna use to base their decisions off of,

but you gotta look at the studies and look a little bit deeper and look and see is their information correct. Here's all the evidence you need, okay. We have spent now since the fat hypothesis came out in the, it started getting kind of popular in the 60s and 70s and the 80s. It really took off, right? Low fat, low fat. That, we've spent as a country billions and hundreds of billions of dollars on educating the public of having on having a low fat low saturated fat low-class cholesterol diet okay so this is shit tons of money have gone into this shit tons of money

gone into schools educating this as kids uh... all the marketers followed suit they saw that the government was spending all this money on this so food marketers low fat low that the government was spending all this money on this, so food marketers, low fat, low fat, low calorie, all this products were coming out, right? It, in Americans changed how they ate, and what has happened since then? Very obese.

OBSity has gone up. Rates of autoimmune diseases have exploded. Diabetes, yeah. Diabetes went from being adult onset diabetes to type two diabetes, because kids get it now. We've got you know, heart illnesses, intolerances, food intolerances, exploded allergies, all kinds of stuff. Heart disease has gone through the roof. They call it now the Western Diet dilemma where developed countries will try to adopt our diet

because they'll lead our processed foods and they'll all fucking get fat and get sick as well. We've done a great job of treating illnesses and now we've developed all these chronic illnesses that we have no handle or control. It's scary to think that you could see like a partnership there with the medical community and how they prescribe these illnesses that you come in to go see and the money and the machine that has been created as a result of these ailments, right? Based off of our diet alone. It's alarming to me.

It's scary and it's mind blowing. Kids, man, kids suffer the most. Schools, public schools, here's a deal. This is why I think one one of the reasons why, I think it's scary to have a monopoly on anything and public schools is a monopoly, the government runs them all. It's because when government makes a mistake,

it's a big fucking mistake. And the schools now have been talking about this and pushing this for a long time, reducing physical activity in school, doing lots of different stuff. And childhood obesity has been the biggest travesty of all of this. It's childhood obesity.

When I was a kid, and this isn't good, I'm not using this as a great example, but when I was a kid, if you were overweight, you stood out, you were the fat kid. Which was barely count, like under, like, maybe two to three kids you know, kids unfortunately that was the truth right, you know that that had some kind of an obesity dude Have you driven by a high school when it goes that when when kids are out in their walking home and shit nowadays?

Yeah, all like all of them. Yeah overweight all of them, you know poor health How's that gonna be as they get older? Well, you know that when you go to other countries, like when you go to Europe or something, you walk around and you see it's very, very rare to see somebody who is obese, you know, and it's just as rare to even see someone who's really overweight, 30 pounds, you know, overweight. Most people are pretty fit and thin for the most part. And you don't really realize that

you go somewhere like that for a week or two and you get acclimated to where you're at and the people in your surroundings and then you come back home And then it kind of stands out because you're just so used to it You're used to you walking the grocery store. You're in line the five or you go to a theme park, right? Oh my god sit on a bench go to the theme park and people watch. Oh my god Yeah, and and five and alarming five out of the you know six people that will walk by you are Are overweight and out of those five at least two or three are obese out of that. And so it's just normal.

It's normal to see that they're normal. We, it's this, and even like the way you started to introduce that, you started to introduce it as this, you know, um, trying to be politically correct because we don't want to say fat people. We don't want to say obese like everyone's, we've got to the point now where we're so, uh, over sensitive, everyone's overensitive to even bring that up or talk about it. It's very care. Yeah.

You calculated it. Yeah, you got to be all careful about that when it's like, no, there's a bigger fucking problem here than your emotions and your feelings about this. Like, we're getting fat. We're getting obese. It's not a shaming issue. It's a concern for health. I'll tell you right now, 100%.

I'll put my money on this all day long that the obesity epidemic Definitely people are less active. There's definitely a lot of factors But the major player is the over consumption of refined carbohydrates period end of story That is the major player in the obesity epidemic in America and in and develop Western nations and it's starting You talked about Europe Europe. Although they're better off than we are, they're starting to follow suit. You look at Mexico. Mexico did not have an obesity problem 30 years ago. Today, Mexico now, I believe, has surpassed America in terms of childhood obesity,

and it's when we introduced freaking soda. So does introduced it into Mexico, and in Mexico, Mexican soda is sweet. And they make it a part of their, like that's what they drink with dinner. It's like it's become something a part of their culture now. And the obesity epidemic in Mexico has taken ridiculous,

it's reached a ridiculous epidemic. You made an interesting point at them. You said that, and I think we should talk about this, that carbohydrates are not essential. And people are like, what do you mean? They're not essential. Your body, you need essential means means if you don't get it, you'll die. If you don't get protein, you will die.

If you don't get fat, you will die. If you don't get carbohydrates, you'll be fine. Exactly. You won't die. And I'm not saying eliminate your carbohydrates. Again, you know, you might do better eating more carbs, whatever, but the point is if your body evolved to the point where the only essential things it needs to survive come from fats and proteins, then doesn't it make sense that carbohydrates are probably the macronutrient on the totem pole? They should probably be

the lowest on the totem pole. That's what I was saying. I feel like that just it's so backwards thinking that forever we've prescribed, you know, a 65% carbohydrate intake, when in reality, it's the least essential at all, out of all the macronutrients. It's like, why? That doesn't even make sense. And if you're thinking about trying this type of diet out, again, it's not for everybody, but if you do it, you got to make sure you get enough fats in your diet and you're just so you have to.

And you don't want to eat a ton of protein, you know, aim for like 0.5 to 0.7 grams per pound of body weight, which is still high, eat a lot of fats. And this is what you'll probably find. You'll be strong in the gym. I'll speak for myself. I still get great pumps. In the past, when I cut my carbs, I'd be flat. I wouldn't get good pumps because my fat intake was a high enough. I work on out. Performance is excellent. I'm strong. I got lots of stamina, great pumps. So do it right if you're gonna test it to see if it's for you because if you do it wrong, I guarantee you're gonna feel like shit. Well, I feel like too, it's important that I point out that,

and this is completely anecdotal. I don't have studies to back this up or anything, but what I know I felt when I was not getting enough fat and I was still getting a little bit of carbohydrate. So if you, it's like there is a sweet spot for your body and everybody's going to be a little bit different and you have to find that. For me, when I wasn't hitting that sweet spot where I wasn't getting enough fat and keeping my protein down, what was happening to me is I was getting headaches.

I was getting headaches. I was tired. I didn't feel good. And I was like, oh, this isn't for me whatsoever. But then there was a part of me that goes like, okay, wait a second, there's two things I have to take into consideration. One, I've trained my body for many, many years to have 400 grams of carbs or more. And so also, I'm going under 50 grams. So this is new. I certainly now have to teach my body to use a different source, which all everything you read, they'll tell you that it doesn't take, they say it takes, you know,

it could take up to seven to ten days for your body to fully accume, but it's really not. I have actually read more studies after we first talked about this that they say within a day, you'll get into ketosis. Within a day, you'll get into ketosis and that happening. Now getting used to that process may take seven or seven to ten days or so for the body, but if you're kind of floating back, you're not, you're not hitting right where you need to be, you're getting enough fats, I feel like what my body felt like, like it was confused on where it should get its primary source of fuel. I'm not quite giving it enough fat. So it's not really getting it where it wants to from there.

I'm not giving it quite enough carbohydrate. So it's not getting enough. It's harder for the body to break down protein and turn that into fuel, right? Yeah. So that's harder. So you got to think of it in those terms. Like, you know, what the body is going to process and then, you know, it processes fats well. You know, the mechanics are in place for that to happen. And so yeah, so that's why the fat has to be more of the priority as the fuel source. And then, you know, proteins to back that up and replenish in cells and rebuild.

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