Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 318: The Boys Get Political

Episode Date: June 27, 2016

Sal, Adam & Justin dive into the political realm in this episode. Agree or disagree, this episode is bound to stir up some emotions. Get MAPS Anywhere at www.mindpumpmedia.com Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week the best reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com.

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Justin, that maps anywhere sure it looks good on you. It does. You know what, I think though, we should give Justin some lotion. Why? Why? I got alligator dick? No. No.

No. Let me moisturize it. Have you still not, are you still not using lotion? I'll give you a job. Are you still not using moisturization? No, what is that? That's for all of the stuff. That's for whims, creams.

Do you not, you don't use lotion at all? No, he's told us this before. Once you do your fucked Oh, yeah forever. That's what I mean. I'm one of those now. Yeah, I want you to commit your full You like now I had just hydrate more at the carry lotion So you just you just take a shower get out dry yourself. That's it done. Yeah Done deal. Wow, you know what I shave my pubes with a razor. That's about it. Yeah, you you you bickham Yeah, you're really sometimes I'll go bald with a razor. That's about it. Yeah. You bick them? Yeah. You really?

Sometimes. I'll go bald. That's close. That's close man. I'm afraid I'm my nicks up and then. I feel faster that way. You need demands. For performance.

You're a hairy ass Italian. You need a man's cable a little bit. See this is the thing that you keep saying that, but the reality is I'm not that hairy. I'm not that hairy. I'm glad we hairy, I'm not that, look at it. I'm glad we posted the commercial. You could braid your leg hair. My leg hair? Yeah.

Brayed it. If you can braid my leg hair, I'll give you 10 bucks. If you get higher, I've seen the way they thighs look. Huh? The thighs. Oh, you want me to pull my pants up if you want. He saw those purple under me. I mean, bitch, I had.

Based off the trend from your ankle working up your way of thought, I think it just gets worse as you get higher there No, I'm afraid what's going on underneath there. Especially underneath those banana banana underwear traumatizing Guys this weekend. Yes, dude. Yeah, we get it burned in my head We get to get in the jacuzzi and just and I strip down into shorts Right and then this guy drops his drawers and he's in fucking purple bikini underwear. And I'm like, are we really gonna do this right now?

Hey guys, where do I fit? Yeah. Uh, on Adam. Yeah, like, just, he's on your side. Still. It's comfortable. Hold him. What's wrong with the color?

No. Nothing's wrong with the color. That's your thing. You like that? They weren't purple. I think they were red. No, they were purple. Oh, they were.

You guys were burned into my brain, bro. It's very memorable. Not a good way. Oh, it was a little. It was fun. No, that's a few. When was the last time you been in a bathtub with three men, right? Huh? When was the last time you been in a bathtub? Count them on your fingers and toes. Last Tuesday. Besides that's a no this that was because we were shooting that commercial for maps uh, anywhere. Yeah, I want to say that because people listening right now are thinking themselves what the fuck just happened. Yeah, they took the joking to the serious level. It's true. We do. And I want you guys to know right now, I mean, we're committed that we did. We're committed to this thing. Yeah. Well, you know, I think that the people that enjoy it.

And it seemed like a good idea to do that commercial. It was a good idea. You know why it was a good idea? Because here's what's tough about it. Adam just tries to get us a girlfriend. I think he was just on his side. I think so for it, Janda. I think, hey guys, you know what would be cool?

What if we were all, I got a great idea for Christmas. He's like, it'll be so funny. What if we're like wrestling, but we're naked, and then Doug catches us. And then just squirts oil and makes like, aha. He's like, I'm like, what does this, and I'm like, what does this have to do with maps anywhere?

It's an at-home workout program. What does it have to do with us going into Jacuzzi, like all hanging out to, and it's not a Jacuzzi. Like my kids could probably, it's a Google this. It's a bathtub. Yeah, we're fucked. It's on these maps. It's not good.

I'm actually regret posting that. Yeah.. It's a bathtub. Yeah, we're fucked. It's on the internet. This is not good. I'm actually regret posting that. We're in the bathtub. And Adam's like closing us like hard. He's like, no, no, it's gonna be great. It's gonna go viral. I'm like, well, what does it have to do with exercise? I don't understand.

He's like, trust me. So I'm like, okay. I see his vision though. So I'm confident in it. Is there a three day money back? I wanna have, I wanna have, I feel like you closed me. Well, you know what, I want to have, I want to, I feel like you closed me. Well, you know, I find marketing our programs is, is, is a little bit challenging for what

we're trying to do, right? Because we go against the norm, right? There's, we talk so much shit about the fitness industry and, and really were, where it's, it's the most obvious is in commercials and stuff, right? Or your, your little, so, you know the bath time. Well, funny is we never really thought about that. People that represent you. Yeah, we spent the first year of Mind Pump. We didn't sell anything. We didn't even have our programs. We didn't have anything at all.

And we basically spent, we just talked shit. We did. We gave out information. For a year. We just sold our body. We gave out information. We talked shit. Yeah, I do.

We did all that for a year. And then when the program, so we start writing all these books and programs and then it's like, you know, a dog looks at us, like, okay, that's great. We have all this stuff. And now we have to sell it, you guys. And we're like, okay, well, let's do a commercial.

And then we thought, oh, how do we do a commercial for a fitness program? That isn't like every other fitness program. I'm like, I can't figure this out. I can't, because no one's done it before. Nobody does. Let's do the one to make a boring video. You don't want to make a boring video.

That's the only two, right? And then how do you make it so, I think what we realized was just making fun of ourselves and really humanizing. Which we do a good job of. You know what, it's really funny. It's natural. You know what I'm cracking up at?

So we were meeting and we were talking about like, how we're going to potentially, like how can we, you know we turn this into our jobs? Like this is what we do, you know, cause we love doing it, but you also, I mean the reality is you have to make a living doing it. Right. And we're all having conversations

and we all started getting goofy cause that's what happens when we all get together. And Adam's like, guys, he's like, trust me, he's like, listen, it's not a problem. He's like, we could totally get on webcams and fucking show people who like it. Like people will pay. And Justin's joking, guys, he's like, trust me. He's like, listen, it's not a problem. He's like, we could totally get on web cams and fucking show people he's like, people will pay. And Justin's joking around and cracking up. And then Adam knows her.

And he's like, God, what did you say? He's like, guys, we're fine. We can always just suck dick. We're fine, man. Our fall back is we can suck dick. We'll be fine. Watch. This was the worst idea this weekend.

I'm like, please, if you're listening, please buy our program. In the situation, I don't want to suck dick. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to do that. I really don't think about the heat of that, though. I mean, that's going to motivate you to make money in the other way. Like, that's the... Why is that an option?

Can I just work in McDonald's? Because you can literally make money. Don't deny you could make money with that. You could. Come on. Yeah, look at those lips. Well, that's what. Yeah.

I saw so many other things that I would rather do. I know. What is like, what is the bottom for you? When you know, like, what is the bottom? Yeah, what is the bottom? No, before that, I feel like there's a bottom even before that. That's like, what's worse than this? I just went straight to the bottom.

I think there's a bottom before that. That's like what what's worse than I just went straight to the bottom before that That's like below the You I'm on the street if I'm stuck in dick. I'm on the street I have sold off everything I have I've lost all Friendships and relationships. I have nowhere to turn. I'm on the street. I'm freezing. I'm high on like 10 different drugs Yeah, yeah, that is that so to me that there's a bottom before that. Adam is such a hard worker like he would actually be good at it. He really doesn't want to do it. He'd be like the best at it.

You know what I mean? I'm gonna work my way back to it. I'm gonna make myself, yeah. At least I'm the game we got to make out or something. I work my way up the body. He's the amity to get myself out of the streets by sucking the best chick ever. He's like, I'm back to webcam. I don't lose anything. I don't know, what would be worse than that?

There's nothing worse than that. No, no, what would be before that? Yeah, what would be before that? Here's the thing, I know I can't. You lost your house, you lost everything you own, you lost everything. And you had no family to turn to. Wow. Where would you go? Where would you go work? Where would you had no family to turn to wow where where where where where would you go

Where would you go work where would you start? Drug dealer oh really? I don't feel like you could do that. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna get connections. Yeah, exactly. That's a terrible No, I think you can I would I can't shoot a gun. You don't know you don't have a right back Democracy all day manual labor Hell no. I hate it. Fuck that. No, of course, but like you're talking about desperate to your age.

I don't think it's specific enough for me to get a distraction from me. I could, yeah, yeah, probably. What kind of construction? Framing. Framing? Yeah. I know, I could sell.

So I would go sell something. I'd go sell cars or I'd go sell a house. I'd sell something. First of that's easy. I could do that all day long. Oh yeah. It would suck because I'd sell some shit. I don't want to sell. I didn't sell something. First of that's easy, I could do that all day long. It would suck, because I'd sell some shit I don't want to sell, I don't care about.

Yeah, that's a bad answer, I've worked my way out of manual labor. You know how I would go back to that. Manual labor is awesome, if you like it, just it's just hard. There is something about, it hurts my hands, some people enjoy it. It hurts my hands.

I don't like it, it makes gals. It's so nice. Ouch. I need more lotion. I had to, I, when I, when I was working the dairy and stuff, I remember coming home,

there's, there's this sense of pride that you get with a manual labor job though, right? Like if you're a man, it's very simple and straightforward. And you come home and, and then you're done when you come home, you're done. That's the best part. And your jeans are like just tore up and dirty

and your shoes, your boots are all fluking clud with dirt, clods and rocks. Yeah, right? And your shirt's all like yellowish brown from the sweat in the dirt you've had on face. Right. And you come back and it's been a long, long day and you go take that there's something like refreshing and rewarding about that afterwards. But I by no, do I have anything else? My dad, my dad, he's manual labor his entire life. And when I was, as I was growing up,

every summer I would go and help him. Yeah. And it didn't take me long to realize that I would never want to do that. You hated it. And I, but I appreciate it. I appreciate it. My dad is a craftsman.

I mean, my father, he learned how to, he's a, he's a stone worker. So he does tile, marble, granite. He's retired now, but he did that for most of his life. And he, he learned as a child nine years old. That's what he started doing at nine years old. He was working, you know, with these men and learning the stuff. And he learned it from the old world.

So he's just an absolute craftsman. I've seen him do some ridiculous, amazing work that requires incredible math and engineering to put together. And this is the man that, you know, didn't even go to school because he was so poor and he does all this stuff. Incredibly impressive, but it's just, I couldn't, I couldn't, I was, when I was there, I wasn't there. So I don't know any of it. Even though I did it for years with him, you're asking me to do anything with my hands that has to do with, you know, manual labor. And I'm just, I'm lost because I just hated it so bad

that I would daydream and I go mix cement and do the hardship for him. Now, how do you guys react? And I know this is probably directed towards South because Justin, I think, is probably the most handy out of all of us for sure. I can't see. I get a lot of shit.

Like really, I get a lot of shit. Especially so, like, so Katrina's brothers and there. It's a good thing we're handsome, fuck. It is. Her is her her her her brothers are all very like hands on and and then they can picture and then they have their there's their baby sister right is dating me and I'm the guy who won't it doesn't change his light bulb in his

fucking house. You don't see me doing any like and yeah, and they everyone gives me a lot of shit and I get into these debates with people all the time. This is the way I look at it. And all the respect in the world for some, I wish I had that, right? I wish I loved to do that. Now I didn't have it.

Remember, my dad died when I was seven, so I didn't have... Oh, not everybody feels bad about that. No, no, no. Then I had a stepfather. My stepfather was in construction and I worked with my stepfather, and I did all that stuff with him. But like you, early on, I found out like,

I didn't like it. There was no, I was fascinated to watch him because like you talk about your father. My stepdad, like, literally was so talented, it was so fun to watch him build to me. But that also made me not like it. Like I would do it and be like, I couldn't do that. And I would, I would spend 15 minutes hammering a nail

into a board that took him three seconds to do. This was irritating, right? So it's a skill, man. And that's the thing. It's like, unless you're constantly doing it, like all these little nuance things, like that's why, I think it's worse because I do know how to do it,

but now I do it like really shitty. Do you know what I mean? Like it takes me forever to do it, and it's expected of me to do it, but I hate it, and I don't have the skill set anymore to do it. So it's like pulling teeth for me to get like a project done. The thing is, I wish I did do it because, because then it would make things so easy for me.

I hate calling my dad to help me. That's embarrassing. I was, you know, I'm a grown man. I'm like, hey dad, the towel bar fell off in the bathroom. I'm like, just screwed in the fucking thing with your, I don't have a screwdriver, I don't have a single tool because I don't do anything. It's pretty fucking embarrassing. And it makes me, and I know the workshop.

And I realize how much less sexy it makes me, which makes me a little angry, you know, because I know how much sexier a man is. Oh no, I'm missing this. A man fixing stuff is like, that's just, the women love that, right? Just kind of goes back to, kind of, you kind of got to earn your beard. You know what I'm saying?

The one that I have on, yeah. Fuck. I see, and this is, I can do, I can do most all of that. That's the thing. There's a difference between the, the ability to do it because it just, I'm, it's, it is a skill. And I love that you said that because this is what happens to me. We just happen to have a leak going on, right?

And our upstairs bathroom, and it was causing this leak to downstairs. And what that would require doing is cutting up into the sheet rock, finding where the leak is, and it's normally, and it's been around with my dad enough to do things like this. It's normally this piece that you made all the tile in your old house. Yes. I mean, so I got it useless, bro. Yeah, no, I'm not. But this is why I did this.

He hates it. That's the same. I know. You're pretending like you're incapable. No, I mean, you guys are both capable. No, I can do it too. I just fucking hate it. So, if I buy something from my key to put together,

I cuss the entire time. I want to, I just hate it. I hate it. I also have a different look at this. This is how I look at me. Look, okay. I This is my way of contributing to a field that I have a lot of respect for that I have no desire to do this I would he's about to close it. I would much rather okay, the time that would support the worker the guy who doesn't have the skill set I could cut up on my she-bar. I can figure this all this is gonna is going to take me, I don't know, it took him, it took him about three hours to do this.

It would take me probably six to eight minimum because I would have to read up a little bit, I would have to check, I'd probably make more mistakes, I would probably pick the wrong size, I wouldn't be able to just look at the bolt and say, oh, that's one in three quarters, I would have to do a lot of extra work just to do that job. So it would take me six to eight hours. I have a waiting list of people that want to get coached and trained by me where I make $150 an hour.

And I have to turn them away because I'm already too busy doing what I do. Now I could take up a couple of these clients and make four times the amount of money that I'm gonna pay the gentleman to come fix that who could do twice as good of a job and half the amount of time. So that to me, that's the way I look at these things.

And it's not a, it's not, it's true. I'm not lazy. I'm not somebody who is retarded and can't figure out how to do that. I can, it's just my time I felt, my time I feel is better spent doing my craft, doing what I am very good at and making that money. Then I could pay a gentleman who that's his craft.

And I feel like everybody wins there. I 100% agree with you on that. But I think it's from the generation previous to us and our parents, yeah, because they prided themselves on that aspect. Like I get shit from my dad all the time because I hired a guy to do all the trim after we put all the windows in and everything.

I don't have time, dude. I don't want to do it. Exactly what I want to do. Yeah. And he's like, I bought you all this stuff to accomplish this project. And you hired that out. And he's like, get on mad at me. My father, too, same thing.

He's a craftsman. He's a wood craftsman. That's what he prides himself in. A lot of that growing up was like, you know, because I was the one my brother didn't want anything to do with it. You know, he was like, I'm gonna go, you know, I don't know, read. But yeah, so I was like putting stuff together and everything. And so he thought for sure, like I was going to be like, that's, that's my thing, you know, but yeah. You would have never guessed you'd end up on a radio show. Yeah, like being an idiot.

Yeah. So Adam's working though. So shit hits the fan, you're not going into manual labor. Yeah, where are you going? First, I would probably agree with you. I think I would probably do something in sales. Yeah, and unfortunately, if it was like the worst, right? And even like that, you know, you could go walking at a job now because like even sales, like there's

some not everybody's hiring for sales, but I think everywhere is hiring for car salesmen. I think you could walk into a car dealership anywhere and they would take it. That's got to be a hard gig nowadays. It is. It is. It is. People go in like and they know everything. Yeah. I imagine it would be very but I also know us and I know that we would figure that out. You know, I think we would realize, okay, well, this is the new approach or new angle that you would have to sell. Actually, know what the first thing I would do is I just go work in a gym. I would just go sell, I would go sell memberships in a gym. That's the first thing I would do. That would be easy. Yeah,

that'd be cake, right? So, you know, I would do. That would be easy. Yeah. That'd be cake. Right. So, isn't it? I would be selling membership just in being given blow jobs, obviously. I mean, that was a bottom. I got to revert. I didn't get here. It's easy. Well, I always wonder when I like the other day, stepping stone, I drive by and I see this guy, and you don't know, right? So I know we never know what, why somebody is on a corner begging for money or not, whether they're, how they got into that situation. But when I see like a young, able man,

like standing there with a sign, like, you know, he's, you can always pick some shit up. Right, he's 28 to 35 years old. You know, the way he, just the way he's standing, I can tell it's posh, he's does no serious injuries to them. Now mind you, there could be something going on that I don't know internally, but I look at someone like that and I think, God, there has to be, there's so many places I go by

that are looking for someone to work. And now maybe the job may be really shitty, you might have to work really hard or it may take a long time to make these some money. But at what point do you mentally break and find yourself to where you're sucking dick or you're begging for money? Which is basically the same thing if I'm some people like it. That's my opinion. They're about the same.

You would be surprised at the percentage of people who beg on the streets that have serious mental illness. Oh, yeah. It's the vast majority of them. And that's why, that's when you see someone on the street, because when I was younger, and I was raised in this very hard work atmosphere, and my family was, they came from poor in humble beginnings, and so I would hear my dad

tell me stories about how he grew up, and then I'd see a homeless person here in the Bay Area, California, and I was a kid, and I'd be like, what the fuck, why doesn't he go get a job? I heard the stories of my dad would tell about how he grew up. And then I'd see a homeless person here in the Bay Area, California, and I was a kid, and I'd be like, what the fuck, why doesn't he go get a job? Like, I heard the stories of my dad would tell about how he grew up. And then I'd read some information and realized

that it's mental illness, a large percentage, like a huge percentage of them have horrible mental illness or addicted to drugs. And the reason why they are on the street is because that's the best thing for them. And that's what they want. That's their only option. They're, we've closed down all the public, you know, mental health hospitals.

So a lot of them are just on the street because they couldn't hold a job. They're just, they've got issues. They've got those issues, you know, so, um, I don't know, makes you feel bad for. It does a little bit because I, I'm sure you're right. But then there's, I don't know, it's hard to say. It's hard, it's hard to say. It's hard to debate this. Yeah. Because some of these,

there will always be a percentage that are out there to sort of manipulate the system. Well, yeah, it's funny. I was hanging out with a friend of mine and we were having this conversation because we were driving and then there was a homeless person and she opens the window and hands them some cash. And we had this conversation.

I said, well, I've seen, I've seen news stories where some of these guys get into their car and drive away after they're done collecting money. And she's like, so what? She said, that's the way he makes money and he wants to make money. And she's like, I don't mind giving him a little bit of money if that's how he supports himself. And I thought to myself, and I thought, well, I guess that's okay. I mean, if you're okay with it,

and the other guy's okay with it, like, that's kind of a different attitude, but I can understand where you can come up, you know, where you can come up with that. She's like, you know, because she told me, she's like, that's the way. She's coming from a non-judgmental way. Yeah, she's like, maybe that's just the way he makes a living

and he doesn't, that's the way he chooses to do so and he's a feed himself. So, I think that's the best way to give, in general, just from my perspective, is like, you know, if you just from my perspective is like you know If you just committed in your mind that you're giving this like I Like to take myself out of it as far as like what they do with it like is if I really vest myself into that You know if it's something like that. I'm just giving somebody money. Yeah, if I decided that I already decided that like if you're gonna

Take advantage of me. That's your that's your what's what you have to live with yeah, I see your point and then but as far as me getting involved in charities and stuff I'm gonna vet you know where they're going Yeah, if this is an organizational thing, you know, please I'm not giving you any money until I know exactly where that's going Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. I just I I like to help somebody who I see already trying to help themselves. Of course, you know, of course. All right, you know, that's, especially if you yourself came from humble beginnings, you know, you know what it took.

You know what I mean? You say all the time how you grew up and you had a little bit of a tough time but you were always working, you're working to ask off. And I think maybe that's what it is too. I feel like we naturally gravitate to those people, right? So I feel like I can see, I notice people like that. Like I'll see someone who's got the right attitude,

who's got the right work ethic and just hasn't happened for them yet, which that's a lot of people, right? There's, we know, when we talk about it all the time that success is not this overnight thing. It's not like you decide like, hey, I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna be this and it's just all happens and unfolds and it's easy.

It's normally a long, grueling road and finding somebody along that road that's pushing through. You know, I like to do things for those people and to help keep them motivated to keep them going. I'll never forget, man, when I used to own my jam, there was this dude that would sit at the corner and he would have to sign money for food or whatever, I remember what the sign said

and people would give him money. I mean, sometimes I'd be outside and I'd see people consistently, I'd see people drive by and hand in money. So I walked over to him and I offered him a job cleaning the windows and I said, hey, if you clean my windows, I'll pay you, if you watch my windows right now, and I was just a small studio,

so would have taken him a grand total of five minutes. So if you watch my windows, I'd give you 20 bucks. And he said, no, he's like, no, I'm okay. And at first I got irritated, like, fuck you man. You ask him for money over here. I'm here giving you a job, you don't want it. And then I thought to myself, like, he makes more money sitting over there.

He's actually being a smart business man. He probably makes more money sitting there than he would coming over spending 30 minutes or whatever watching my windows. And so at that moment, I was like, how do I, I can't judge him for making the choice to make more money to sit on the corner. You know what I'm saying?

From a business perspective, he literally made a smart business decision. Well, that's what I feel that's wrong with it too, is that that's what we're doing. We're, we feed it. We feed into that, you know, by giving that money, right? We feed it, we now create, which is kind of, of course, on the flip side,

this is kind of like our welfare system. How do you feel about that? Yeah. Well, you're trying to get me in trouble. Yeah. Why not? We're going, we're going in that direction right now. Why don't we talk about our welfare system? Well, I know what that does to the, the, the majority of people. I tell you what, when we look at, if we look at government spending as a whole, I think the last place we should look to fix is there. I think when people start there, they're not looking at the big picture. Honestly, if from a, you know, and I know I'm going to piss off a lot of people, but if you want to, from a purely what's efficient and effective standpoint, I don't think people

realize just how much money is lost in the bureaucracy of welfare. So what I mean by that is there's a department that works with food stamps. There's a department that works with supplemental childcare and all these different services that tax money goes into has to get filtered through and paid to people to organize and work through and then given to, finally it gets to the bottom person who needs it, right?

There's a lot of bureaucracy that's wasted money. People, I mean, we'd be shocking if we were to actually calculate how much all getting paid through this process. How much money is wasted in government before it actually gets to the people who need it. How many people need a money? Yeah. That's giving a way.

Think about it. Think about all of this inefficient way to distribute that money. Right, think about it. And here's the thing, way to distribute that money. Think about it. Here's the thing. When we give people money, we want to manage it. We want to say to them, we're going to give you money, but only for food. We're going to give you money, but only for housing.

That creates all this bureaucracy. I'm under the camp that, first of all, I think we should have a minimum safety net. I do think that should exist, but it should also motivate people to pull themselves up out of there and do well for themselves. And that has more to do with, you know, making it easy for people to get into business, eliminating things like minimum wage, which tends to be a, uh, uh, by the way, we're going up to $15. Yeah, just stupid. That happens to be a, it's a bar, right? We just set the bar at a certain level. And so if you have low skills, no one's going to hire you because you're not worth that much.

Well, how do you get to that point then? You know, that type of thing. But I think with welfare, if we just eliminated the bureaucracy and literally just said, everybody gets $1,000 a month. Like instead of taking all that bureaucracy and money, which probably costs twice or three times as much

through all the programs that we try to create. And all we did was give people a check, which I know a lot of people would be pissed, right? Because they'd be like, why are we giving them money? You're already giving them more than that. Where are we spent more money on that? Just give them a thousand dollars and I guarantee you that people, for the most part,

there's gonna be idiots no matter what. There's gonna be people making bad decisions no matter what. But for the most part, you'll see more people decide where that put that money in smarter places than we can decide through our bureaucracy. Cause I bet you, and I don't know what the number is, but let's just say it's a thousand dollars.

And here's your thousand dollar, you're on welfare, you make no money, you need help, here's a thousand dollars, do what you want with it. I guarantee you, there's people, single mom, single dad, someone who's on here, who's gonna say, I'm gonna take some of this and invest in education, or I'm gonna take this and start a business with it.

Cause I wanna pick myself up. They can't do that now because it's all tied up into bureaucracy, I mean, you get your EBT card or whatever, and it's X amount of dollars, that's how you can use it for as food. What if somebody says, I only need half of this for food, but what can I do with the other half? I can maybe build a business for whatever.

Of course, those people are gonna take advantage, but that happens anyway. I think it would just save us. So that's my view on whatever. I think it would save a lot of money on welfare, and I think it would allow people more opportunity to pull themselves up. But if you want to try to talk about saving money,

well, corporate welfare is way more than that. The subsidies we paid it, corn and wheat. I see it as, even though it's supposed to be this leg up, I see it as such a huge crutch. It can be. I've, you know, and a lot of it's from personal experience. So I'm sure there's somebody, I'm sure there's a great success story

of somebody who was able to sign up for welfare and it, you know, it saved their life. And there's always that story, you know. But I also think those people with the tools and resources we have now could have been helped in other ways than through the government and through a taxation. Like I feel like a business company like GoFundMe. I find that very fascinating. And I think that's kind of the future of how we decided to do. Totally. I think it's interesting to watch that. Yes. I think it's so cool that, you know, and I just experienced this recently with Katrina's

father passing. And, you know, we had bombarded with all these bills, and it was just overwhelming. It was literally like $70,000 in debt that we had to deal with. And we put it up on GoFundMe, and I think like 90% of that got funded by people. Wow. And to me, that's welfare.

That's, it's another. The charity, you're right. It is. And it's actually charity, because back in the day, you know, who fed people, who fed homeless people who took care of, it was churches, it was organizations, it was charities. And you'll find in freer societies with less government, you'll find more and more charity. And that's the reality. I mean, you know, when you're talking about this kind of stuff. I also feel like it, it also takes somebody like,

you see something like that, right? And if you were a part of that whole situation, like you gave money or you went to the funeral, you saw what an amazing man that was and you saw probably why so many people gave to him. And what does that do? It makes you, you see that and you're like, God, I wanna be a good person.

I want that many people to wanna help me if I was ever in need or help my family, if I was ever in need. So it makes me wanna be a better human. And I think a system like that, where you do, you rely on others that wanna help you out. And I know somebody's probably listening right now going like, oh, the world is so big and we came,

but we have things like the internet now that it can, connect us community that you can get like through these, these types of, of venues like that. It is interesting for me to watch it. And then you can localize it too. So, you know, like email lists and all, you know, people in your area. And yeah, I do see a lot of, you know, promise promise with with that type of mentality going forward because You know even with the government in itself. I would love to see that shrink down back to these

Community type feelings, right? You know and localize it more instead of making it this federal thing Well when it's localized you're it's much more countable. I can see directly what my money is doing right? There's less bureaucracy. You know, I mean, when we're dealing with, you know, people who are in need, there's a couple, there's a few factors you have to consider. Well, factor one is there's gonna be emergency situations where shit is just, you couldn't plan for it.

Like, you've got a family, husband, wife, the wife stays at home, the husband is, you know, the primary, you know, breadwinner, they're barely making ends meet, he gets an car accident, he dies. She's probably gonna need some kind of emergency help, right? So there's those situations, but then there's situations where,

you know, I feel like that's where like go fund me is such a great tool for some life. Well, there's more and more of those tools that are popping up, but we have to also consider that a lot of the things that we offer now are what's the word, they not only demotivate, but there's no incentive. They actually incentivize you to not go and get work. For example, if you get unemployment, if you get unemployment in California, you're going

to make more than if you get a minimum wage job. So if I'm some dude and I have a job and I got laid off my tech job or whatever, and I know people like this. I know it's so wide. I'm gonna take a little break. That's why I have an issue with it. I'm gonna take a break.

I'm just gonna work for six months and collect unemployment. And I'll tell them, just go fucking get a job in the meantime, like, why, I'll make less money. And so you can't blame them, they're making a business decision, they're making more money, not working than they would going and getting a minimum wage job. So there's so many more people doing it that way than actually, that's why I have.

There's a lot of people doing this. I know more people, I know more people like that than I know that need it. Yeah, there's a lot of that. And then the other thing is that people that really want to work and do thing for themselves, there's a lot of barriers, which is fucking crazy to me. I read this story of a lady in New York

who started, she did hair braiding. So like a hair braiding business, it's like a salon, but you go in there and she'll braid your hair and make it look really good. And she was doing very, very well. Until the local barber shops in hair salons got wind of it. And there's some stupid crazy laws. I forgot what city it was that in order to do anything with hair, you have to have five sinks,

you have to have all these different regulations or criteria, which were obviously created by these other businesses To keep competition out and so they shut her down. She was making, she was a single mom She was making a living she or her business was growing She could not afford to do all the renovations and stuff that the regulations required so she had to shut her business down That's shitty. That's crazy to me. That's so stupid to me. It's insane You know a kid can't sell lemonade on the street anymore. I mean, not that a cop would stop them, but if they wanted to, they could.

If a kid, imagine, if a kid went and started a lemonade shop and they blew up and all of a sudden he's got five lemonade store, you know, stands, and it's kicking ass. I guarantee you the city of San Jose would shut that kid down. They'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Is it caught by a certainitude in gloves? Yeah, so that's what I mean by the barriers, you know,, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but the reality is, if someone comes to a business with very low skills, no skills, or maybe in a felon, or they're a young kid, and you're looking at them, you're like, I'm not gonna pay you 10 bucks an hour,

you're not worth that much, even though I have a bunch of jobs that I definitely would like to hire you for to that are cleaning up in the back, I wouldn't mind paying you five, but I can't do that because the losses I can't. Now that, now there's no, you've just made a new barrier into the market. Well, we've talked about this with mind pump. Uh, should we have, we'd have multiple employees that would have been working for us, you know, a year ago, if we could, if we

could pay someone, you know, 15 bucks an hour or whatever, you could pay them, that's going to be the new minimum wage here. Yeah. If we could pay them, if we could pay them nine or $10 an hour to do all this basic, I mean, gonna be the new minimum wage here. Yeah, if we could pay them, if we could pay them $9 or $10 an hour to do all this basic, I mean, the work that we need help with is the busy work. You know, we're gonna handle the bulk of things like that, but I just need another body to do, handle all the busy stuff that's really

a mindless type work for all of us. But it just, it doesn't make sense to pay someone $15 to $20 an hour. But not only that, but it's crazy because there may be someone out there who's gonna say, hey, I'm willing to work for, I wanna work to $20 an hour. But not only that, but it's crazy because there may be someone out there who's gonna say, hey, I'm willing to work for, I wanna work for $7 an hour. And I'm a business.

And I say, well, I have a job that's worth $7 an hour. And then why can't, I don't understand that. Like you have two people agreeing on something, but they can't do it. Never made any sense to me. If two people agree, you people agree on the conditions. Why is there someone saying you can't do that? It just doesn't mean that you're just insane.

I would so rather have the employee who says, hey, I would be willing to do that for $7 now that wants to work for you in a pain of more. Then the employee who says, oh, I would never work for less than minimum wage. Minimal wage is $15. Like, I want to at least that and that has that attitude. Those two people as far as workers for you,

a total different mindset. Dude, you know how much free work I've done, you know, and my master to learn, you know, what else I do? It's insane how much, you know, I should have got paid, you know. And like I could go back and bitch about that all I want, but in reality is that the experience is invaluable. And the failures and mistakes I've made

and all that, I didn't get compensated for that and I don't care because that's life and that's learning. Yeah, what you need to do is you just need to allow more opportunity to pop up. And the way you do that is literally by getting out of the way and letting businesses create opportunities and letting people voluntarily accept some of those opportunities or start

and do those opportunities on their own, but they make it harder and harder. Look at Uber. Uber is in constant battle with government, because why? Because they've figured out a way to side skirt these ridiculous regulations like Do you know to get a taxi in some places is like a hundred something thousand dollars just to get up with they call them a

Dallion to be able to drive a taxi. Yeah, why are there why is it such a ridiculous fee? Why do you was anybody think that is anybody know? It's because the other taxi companies Lobby to make it that way so that there's no competition. Yeah, nobody comes in. You know what's funny? You drive into taxi before Uber came to be. Taxis were shitty. Nobody had a good experience. I've never heard anybody go, man, just got a fucking taxi. It was a great experience.

Really nice and he didn't smell. It was super clean in there. It was brand new. No, taxi's were shit because they had no competition. Now Uber comes on the scene. You go and Uber, they give you a water. It's freaking clean. It's nice. Now taxis are starting to step up their game because they have to.. Now Uber comes on the scene, you go and Uber, they give you a water, it's freaking clean, it's nice. Now taxis are starting to step up their game

because they have to compete. They have to. It's crazy to see things. Back on what Justin was saying too, like, I really see the generation now coming up, creating, it's so, everybody, they expect it. They come out of college, they go to their four year, and they come out and they expect these things

They can't be handed to them and it's like man What happened to that employee that was willing to you know, whatever just all work whatever days I'll work whatever hours you don't even get a pay me at first because I want to learn I want to learn the craft that want to be good at I want to I want to show my value where it's a different mentality now Now it's like you need to pay me what I'm worth. It's an epidemic. It is. It's crazy. And it's killing our entitlement epidemic.

Well, you know, it's funny too in the fast food industry because now there's this whole wave of like raising minimum wages to these, you know, higher levels. What they've done now is because they've arbitrarily, you know, because again, keep in mind, this is a central government. So California is a massive state, right? So central government in California decides all businesses now cannot pay less than $15 an hour. So essentially they're saying, we know what every business can pay and what they should pay,

which they don't. There's gonna be, trust me, there's a lot of mom and pop businesses that can't afford that, but whatever. What they've done is they've artificially raised the price of labor, created a new pressure, a new market pressure, which wouldn't exist if it wasn't for that law, and that market pressure is now causing these fast food companies to, or businesses to automate,

because they have this artificial signal saying, shit, labor costs this much now. So now I can automate with the machine, which to be honest, would have happened anyway, just would have taken a lot longer, but they've eliminated, they've actually got, they're gonna be putting a lot of people at a work because of it. That's the irony. That is the irony in all of it when they think that's with the people that are excited about it happening,

right? You're excited about happening, which you don't realize is if you're creating even larger disconnect between people that are in a lower income bracket, like what, you're cutting out more opportunity for them to survive and thrive. Well, I really, I feel like Sal's what he just said is so true.

Yeah. Like the people that are celebrating it, the people that are excited about the minimum wage joint, if you know, you don't realize what it is, what it's doing to the entrepreneur. It's cannibalizing. It's going to, it's going to cannibalize them. Yeah. The ones that are excited about getting 15 bucks now because they were there. They're not gonna get anything. Because yeah, soon there are the,

there's the, they're the position that they're, the company is trying to create. They're innovating new ways to cut you out. Yes. It just doesn't, it just doesn't work. You just can't go in. You cannot legislate wealth. I wish you could.

I wish I could make a law saying. You got into a nice little debate about this on Instagram recently. I did and it make a loss and you got into a nice little debate about this on a Instagram recently I did and it was I forgot what the gentleman's name was because he was quite intelligent We had a good discussion. What post was that that way that you was a very good minimum wage post or something I don't remember but you made a jab about that on Instagram. I might have but you know We had a nice discussion about a real smart guy But you just you can't legislate, you know wealth

I mean you can definitely make laws that will make it harder and laws that might make it easier by eliminating the other laws. One of the best things you could do is get, just kind of get out of the way and create a foster environment where people compete for customers, where customers, you know, and that kind of market, what that creates, by the way, is it creates a market where employers compete for employees.

Yeah. If you look at, if you look at the, one of the most unregulated industries, by the way, in the world is the internet, the internet. And the why? Because the internet grew faster than the governments could regulate, right? Some of the highest-paying jobs in the world

happen to be dealing with the internet. And in fact, they compete for employees so much that if you go to work at Google, and I'm not bullshitin' ya, there's free breakfast lunch and dinner, and I'm talkin' gourmet food. Oh yeah. They've got scooters and cars that drive you around campus.

They'll give you free massages, they'll wander your clothes. They'll, they'll, all kinds of crazy freebies. Why is Google doing that? Because they have to compete for their employees. Because the market for... It's so demanding. It's because the market for tech has so unregulated, it grew so fast and advanced so quickly

that they had to compete. Now imagine if we rewind it when the internet came out when the government stepped in and said, no, here's the rules, here's the laws, you have to pay this, you have to do that. The internet would be where it was 15 years ago. Still. And if you're not from the Silicon Valley or the Bay Area, a lot of people don't know this. This is kind of, and for us, we just, we kind of graze over it or it's not even a big deal to us anymore because we're around it so much, but I think it's really fascinating.

And I think it's got to be really fascinating if you're not from around here to watch what's going on with Google and Apple and these these big internet companies and what they're creating their own little community. They are, they are built. What we're talking about right now, because they're competing for the employees, yeah, theaters and like little marketplaces, like little apartment things, like things for people to stay close, you know. They'll be more productive. They are building these little mini worlds.

It reminds me, when you see the construction that's happening, it looks like someone is building a Disney world. It literally looks like that. I mean, all the, and it's cool, it's very cool. And it makes you want to be a part of it. And it's really intelligent business. What they're, what they are doing it, and they are, they're trying to centralize everything very cool. And it makes you want to be a part of it. And it's really intelligent business.

What they're what they are doing and they are, they're trying to centralize everything to where if you work for them, you and your family will have a place to live, a place to go to a grocery store, a movie theater, a bowling alley, a place to get your car. Why are you going to go some there? There'll be no reason for you to. Differentation, vacation, right? It's, and I think it's really brilliant, and it kind of gives you that taste of kind of how free market would be because these other play, and then you see what apples

leading the way, then Google sees it, and Google's kind of like, they're doing the same thing. Facebook comes over. You're right, no, I got this. And Facebook's doing the same thing. Netflix, they're all of them. They're all based out of here, right? So we get to watch this, and they're all top secret about it.

So I know guys that do work construction, if they bring their cell phones out, they get fired right away. Like you can't take pictures. You can't talk about their. It's so competitive. The blue prints are all the names are off. Like it's all covert stuff that's going on

because they don't want the competitor to know what the next cool thing that they're offering their employees. And so they can have an edge on them. It's almost a lot like scouting. You know, you're trying to win over this super awesome player that like every college is going after. It's exactly what it's, and that's why I say it kind of has created this kind of free market.

It feels just very cool. Think about the employees at Google that the people that clean the bathrooms and stuff. How do you think their job is compared to the guy that cleans the bathroom at the McDonald's or whatever? I mean, it raises all of them. Everybody gets this kind of better environment, experience, opportunity. It's just one of those things.

And I know I'm sure there's going to be people who are going to disagree, disagree with a lot of, you know, my opinions are, you know, some of the stuff that we're saying, but you gotta be objective, man. You gotta look and see at the at the at the end of the day, there's nothing is perfect. Yeah, but you gotta look and see what's worked really, really well and I have yet to see anything that has worked as nearly as well that has lifted more of the common man out of poverty and fed more people and housed more people and clothed more people than free markets. Nothing, nothing comes close. The 20th century saw the largest migration of the poor to the world's middle class, then we saw in all the human history before that.

For me, from an objective standpoint, I support it. I have to. If you like Mind Plum, leave us a five-star rating review, even if you don't standpoint, I support it, I have to. If you like Mind Pump, leave us a five star rating review, even if you don't like what I was saying right now. And go to Mind Pump Media.com, check out all of our awesome programs, and we have some pretty cool testimonials on there as well. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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