Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 380: Nick the Tooth

Episode Date: October 10, 2016

This episode was made possible by Kimera Koffee! In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin interview Nick Gullo AKA "Nick the Tooth." Nick is a writer, photographer, podcaster (check out his podcast Motus V) childhood friend of Dana White and star of "Looking for a Fight" found on ufc.tv and YouTube. He is also a part of the Kimera Koffee family who made this interview possible! Get Kimera at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you with a new video on our new YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint AND the Sexy Athlete Mod (The RGB Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts!

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. What's up, mind pump listeners, you're gonna hear us interview Nick The Tooth. Yeah. He's actually a host of a podcast called Modus V with Nick The Tooth. Great dude. M-O-T-U-S-V-A-Z.

He's a character, man. This guy is deeply connected in the MMA community was actually Dana White's like childhood friend They go all the back to high school they go. Yeah, we have way back grew up in Las Vegas. He was on a Reality show and it was just on YouTube this reality show was made it was produced by Dana White And I wasn't familiar with it until what was the name of it find the Looking for a fighter. That's right looking for a fight and basically it's where they they go around the country going to the small fight venues looking for the next like UFC star, which is something I guess, Dano White, you did a Robbie Loller, right? That's how they found Robbie Loller. They went crazy. Some had some like small local show on the like this dude's obviously

a badass. So in the interview, you're going to hear us talking about nutrition and fitness as well. He's a big fan just like we are of intermittent fasting and we talk about that on the show and We want to make sure that you know we offer a fasting guide fasting done properly Very very beneficial very very beneficial for fat loss and health if you do it wrong It's not so good for you So we want to make sure you know that we have a guide available. It's only $27 at minepumpmedia.com. You can check it out.

And you can also find Nick the Tooth on his Instagram at Nick the Tooth. And of course, I said his podcast already. Modus V with Nick the Tooth. So without any further ado, here's minepump interviewing Nick the Tooth. Justin get on the mic. God. Here I am, baby. Hey guys, can you hear me? What's going on? What's up, man? What's up, guys? How are you doing?

You sound good. How's that sound, Doug? Sounds fantastic over there, doesn't it? I'm going through my board and condenser mics, so it should be good. Always nice when we have somebody hasn't been set up. But professional, I like it. Nick, you sound better than we do, Doug. Make sure you do lower them a little bit. I can't be having that. Yeah. You know what's crazy is this is the third set up

I've done in the last 10 minutes. My pot, I was telling Doug, my studio flooded last week. And so I have it down in the garage. So I didn't realize it it but the guys were down there and they're redoing everything so they're reconstructing the ceiling and so I didn't realize that I was on top of them and so all of a sudden I hear them pounding and screws going and screw guns going so then I set up in back in the kitchen and my neighbor is having a deck built and I didn't realize that so then I had to break everything down. Now my stairs in the, in the frickin' shower,

in the third story. So that's what we're doing. That's damn it. Right. Well, we're in the middle, we're in the middle of construction ourselves right now. We're between facilities getting ready to build, dug out the dream studio right now.

You saw. Oh, that's great. Oh yeah, this motherfucker, you should see what this guy wants to. This, we've got like like you can literally drop a bomb Outside this new studio and and still be recording and not pick it up. It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah, where you where you guys located? San Jose, California. Oh, yeah, I was just up there man. Oh, where you where were you at? My wife and I went to you a semit and then we went through San Francisco So we're in San Francisco for a few days and then I have a buddy who's got a gym down

and a jujitsu gym down in San Jose. So on the way back, because I live in Newport, on the way back we hit San Jose, but just for like 10 minutes. You know, like, very in session. Very cool. What's your jiu-jitsu school? I train, I don't train anymore,

but I train a while ago at Claudio Franza, which is in San Jose and a little bit of a kick. Alicara who owns the company, want versus need, I'd have to look up what the school is. Okay. So he's got a clothing company and he's like, yeah, come on, just roll as you're going through. Excellent, man. Excellent. Hey, when did you hook Nick?

When did you hook up with Kai Mara? When did you get hooked up with those guys? Right when they were first launching the company, I think it was at the LA Fitness Expo, and I just went up through them. I was just starting the podcast, and I was like, man, this looks like a cool company, and I just went up and talked to the guys, and they've been sponsoring my podcast ever since.

How about you guys? They came after us, what, it's been about three, four, maybe six months now, six months, we started talking, and then, you know, we were really picky about sponsors. So this is, I mean, the three of us, or the four of us all have other businesses that we do and been trainers for a long time. And one of the things that we agreed was, you know,

when you first get started, there's tons of fucking supplement companies. And everybody wants to give you a piece of the pie to do that. And one of our missions is we talk a lot of shit about the industry. So we're like, okay, we gotta be careful when the time comes, when they partner up, people start offering us money,

that we can't just jump on the first one that offers us money, because then we look like a bunch of douchebags that have been talking shit, and then now- Everybody's gonna jump shit. Yeah, so we held out for a really long time, and just because all these other supplements come and they're like, well, we like you guys as company, this is great, but then you know, the

shit you guys have this stuff we talk crap about. So it's going to be kind of tough for to tie yourself to us. But then Frank calls up one time or reaches out to us email and man, once we got those guys on the phone, we started chopping up with them. And still we liked them, they sent over the product, we're all fucking huge coffee guys, like we all love coffee. And at the time, we had been talking to caveman coffee and really liked caveman coffee.

We had Tate Fletcher on the show, really cool dude. Yeah, great dude. And we were back and forth and possibly doing something with them. And but after we got off with the boys and they made a really good offer and we love the company, we love the direction they were going. I love their whole kind of like red bull approach the way the people that they've called are their athletes and their other

Affiliations that they're with and and then I just kind of happened dude and then ever since then we've been doing a lot of stuff with them We've tried to get interviews with Anybody that represented I feel like all the people that they have they have sponsored or fucking cool like so which is yeah Which yeah, I mean ever everyone's you got their own little flavor and they're unique I really like their style and the people that they go after to affiliate. They didn't just go after someone just because they're, you know, a celebrity or popular or whatever.

They literally went after unique people on top of them having that celebrity power too, which I thought was pretty cool. Yeah, for sure. I'm the same way, you know, whenever I go to the fitness expos and things like that, I just look at all these companies. I'm like, it's basically 95% of the industry is just a company repackaging way. Protein. Oh my god. And a bunch of shit. Let's put it in this. Let's put it in that. Let's

flavor it this way. It's like fuck. Right. Put it in a pink bottle. We'll sell it for women. Then we'll put it in a blue bottle. We'll sell it to men. Oh my gosh. Man, it's crazy. You know, I've been involved. I've been working out since, I would say, I'm 48 now since, for 36 years. Oh shit, you're 48 bro. You look pretty good man. I would've never put that in. You look pretty good man.

I would've never put that in. What's your secret? Yeah. You know what my secret is, I'll get into it, but my secret is really, I mean, it's at least now for staying really lean, is I do intermittent fasting and I use chameracoffee and I just eat super clean man. Super clean.

You're a vegetarian man. You're a vegetarian man. Yeah, I'm a vegetarian. I'm not a vegan. How long have you been a vegetarian for? 30 years. Oh wow. Oh shit, long time.

Now is that for moral reasons? Or were you? No, I just, I always, it always grossed me out. It was always, I hated it. Really? My mom would make me livery and shit. So I was, I think it was one of those things that when I was like six or seven years old,

I was like, as soon as I get to be old enough, I'm there fucking eating me again, you know? And I, but I stuck to it. So yeah, so I'm a vegetarian. I met my wife in New Orleans. I'm from New Orleans, but I grew up in Vegas. And she just happened to be a vegetarian and we we raised my, our daughter vegetarian to, she's 20 now. So is that where you met Dana? Do you and Dana meet each other in Vegas? Is that where? Yes, in Vegas.

We both grew up in Vegas. Oh, wow. You guys probably got a lot of troubles, kids. Fucking a man. I did. I hated Vegas, man. It was the worst. It was just, the thing about Vegas is like, even when you got older and you would go to a bar, you knew a fight was breaking out. And it's almost like, cause there's nothing to do there. There's nothing to do. It's fucking desert.

So you just fight, everyone fights. It's gambling drugs, hookers, or fight. That's a fight. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I hate going back there I just refused to go back. Well, I imagine if you write if you live there

You've had every I mean with so when people talk about how great I actually do like Vegas Then I go there because I like to gamble but yeah, but what's the longest you ever stayed there? Yeah, you know I'm never there longer than what four days after four days. I'm ready to get the fuck out of there Yeah, no, the weather sucks and tracking something hot cold Whatever, you know, it's just the worst. There's no ocean my liver's bleeding by then. I'm ready to get the fuck out of there. Yeah, no, the weather sucks. Contracting is hot and cold. You know, it's just the worst. It's no ocean. My liver's bleeding by then. I'm ready to get out of there.

Yeah, no doubt. And I surf all the time. So, you know, for me, it's like I can never be landlocked like that. Oh, bro, it doesn't get much better than new port P. I mean, the new port's one of my favorite places to come down and visit. That's just gorgeous down there, man.

Oh, you know, we left. It's funny. there's a hurricane on the Atlantic right now, but I was on the Gulf Coast on the beach, and six or seven years ago, whatever it was, a Katrina hit, we had actually like 10 hurricanes that came through, and I told my wife, that's it, we're done.

We're going to the West Coast, and so we got an old air stream, and my wife and daughter and I, we just traveled the country for like six months and that thing and we went everywhere. All the way up to Oregon and just came down every city along the coast and Newport was it. We were like, man, this is everything we're looking for. What a fun way to do that. That's got to be a great way to do it. That's a great way. That's really cool. Nick, how long have you been in the MMA jujitsu community? I started rolling like, I would say, about four and a half years ago, I wrote a book called

Into the Cage, Rise of UFC Nation. So I'm a writer. That's primarily what I do. And I'm also a photographer. And so I started, when I started working on the book, I just said, you know what, there are so many aspects of MMA, I want to really learn one one part of them. And so I grew up wrestling. I wrestled like eight to eighteen. And so I was like, okay, I already got wrestling. I don't want to get.

I don't want to deal with concussions. There's no way I'd put myself in that kind of danger. And so I said, well, Jiu-Jitsu, I grappled before. I'll just start grappling. So I was like 43 when I started grappling. That's very unique. It's a relatively old age to start, not that it's not a good thing. I think it's a great thing. But did you find, well, obviously you had wrestling background, so you were a little bit ahead, but what were the challenges of learning Giu-Jitsu?

And you trained at the Mendes Brothers School, right? That's right at RGGG2. Yeah, that's a great place. And so, you know, it's really, it was Sarah and Dipadus that I'm good friends with Pat Tnori who started Ruka. He's the founder of the clothing brand Ruka. And so Pat, I would see him surfing and, you know,

we'd talk and he go, and I told him, hey, I'm gonna get into GJ2 and he said, I'm gonna open a gym with these guys, the Mendes Brothers, don't join a gym until that opens. And I was like, I had no idea who the Mendes brothers were. You know, I didn't know anything about you, Jetsu. So I took a Mendes word and the first day they were open, I started rolling and I've been there ever since. But as far as challenges, I don't think I had any real challenges.

Because, you know, I like to say that when you do things through puberty, it was an old bodybuilder that I think wrote an article and I saw that he talked about this. And he said, whatever you do through puberty is going to stick with you through the rest of your life because it's so formative. And two things that I did where I lifted, I've lifted since I was 12 and like four or five days a week, and I've wrestled. So when I got back into grappling,

it was really very fun for me. Now I didn't start in the gui though, I initially just started no gui. So it was a lot like that, but eventually Hoppamendez, if you want to get better, even at no gui, you got gotta start rolling in the Ghee. So I started with that.

And so that was probably, I would say the ego thing when I started rolling in the Ghee, and then I started learning to play guard off my back, because then I really had nothing to call upon. In No-Gee, when we were standing and we're takedowns or throws, I was fine with that, or even if we were on the ground grappling. But once I got in the key and I was on my back,

it was like, man, you better check your ego at the door. You just said something, I want to back you up because I've always wanted to ask somebody that actually knows the answer to this. You mentioned Ruka, and when you say Ruka, you're talking about RVCA, right? The T-shirt brand. Okay.

So I've never heard it called that yes no i have and i have and i've always want to know that the history of that and and uh... where where the name comes from and why some people call ruka one what some call rvca what is the truth behind all that can you can you know i i think there was i think he they got it out and i never asked pat but i i actually read it somewhere that they got it out of a song. It was a slime made from a band around here and they ruka I think it was like slang for a check or something like that. But I could be totally wrong. Definitely in a sublime song. It was in a sublime song definitely. It was in a sublime song that's right.

Oh I didn't know that. Yeah I did not, I see what I thought it was. Adam you never heard someone say that's my Ruka my Ruka that's my chick my girl. Yeah, you never heard that before. Well, maybe I have but I never put that together with the Mexican in the group. Yeah, I was wrong. I'm not sure. You're not a good Mexican. I think literally like half my wardrobe is Ruka too. I'm like, why does snow? I mean, I love the I love the brand. I've always loved the brand, you know, but I've heard different people say different things. It'm like, why does snow in the night? I love the brand, I've always loved the brand, you know, but I've heard different people say different things. It's like one of those things like the old urban myth bullshit

where people start makes, you know, one telephone story, it tells it, and then my time it gets to you, it's like, no, that can't be right, isn't true. So you're the first person I know that's actually connected to someone like that. So I was really curious to how that, how that all played out.

And so it's a cool brand because they really, you know, Pat was actually is a black belt in Giu-Jitsu and he's been a black belt for a long time and he started sponsoring the Mendes brothers when they were fricking blue belts when they were very, very young. And but you know, he's also got Jason Purollo is a boxing coach and so he kind of runs the gym, the Ruka gym, and Mike Besping, who's fighting this weekend against Dan Henderson. So excited for that fight, dude. I'm so excited for that fight.

I know. I know. What do you think is going to happen? What's your prediction? How's it going to go down? I tell you, man, Mike isn't such good shape, man. I think that this is, he's going to get his revenge. He's the best he's ever been, right now.

I really feel the same way, too. And he's put it, boy, he's put his fucking time in fucking time in his work in he's grinded his way through like it's Come zoom in the right hand dude, well, Dan is like an old lion man. You can't you can't count them out I mean you guys been through wars and I'm a Dan Henderson fan you get to realize Dan Henderson my age Yeah, I know to fight at the elite level like that I mean you get nothing but respect for that guy. That's him and Randy Couture as a reason why I love those two fighters for, you know, the fact putting, putting guys down at that age still, man,

is so much fucking respect for that. It's so bad. It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be a good fight. Hey, what got you? I'm really interested. So being a, you, you were a writer first. What, what made you get into the, go in the digital media and get into podcasts?

You always like to talk into other podcasters in here, what made them go that direction? What did you see and why did you do that? Well, I was for, I helped a vice media launch, I was one of the first writers for vice media's fight land portal. And so I was writing for them. And so that was, I did it for like a year and a half, I think.

And that was an amazing experience because it really put me in a place where I had to churn out articles like on Deadlines. And I loved it because there's nothing like being under the gun for a particular craft. Like let's say your photographer or whatever it is, that really tends to help you and kind of forge your voice. But after a while, it got to the point where it was very difficult to write, I write from my creative period as like, I would say like seven in the morning till like 12 or one in

the afternoon and that's it and then it shuts off. There's no more writing that happens. And so it became too difficult to write on my own projects and continue to write something else. And so I was looking for a medium in which I could, you know, that I enjoyed and I could express myself that wasn't writing and podcasting just fit perfectly into that. How's it going? How do you enjoy podcasting so far?

Oh, I love it. You know, and that's one thing. I didn't know if I would like it at all. And I was like, okay, well, I think it'll be cool. I did a bunch of media, like a big media tour when I released the book a few years ago. And so i was like you know i think i can do this i'll get into it and uh... i love it man i love i think it's just

it attracts a very different audience and uh... younger audience but yeah i i really enjoy it how long you been on the air now um... i would say probably around eight months i'm okay almost forty forty podcast, I think. Yeah, you're all, I mean, we're just a little older than you are. We've only been up for about a little over a year and a half. So we're pretty new ourselves.

Is that what we're at, Doug, a year and a half? I thought we were at two, almost two years, bro. Yeah, I got time flies, man. Still no. We'll explain to you the math. It's still such a new medium, you know? Oh, I mean, it's amazing. That's what, I mean, that's really what drove us.

And then we saw the growth and the potential. We said, man, if we could just get in there and semi make a name for ourselves, hopefully we can just literally ride the wave of where it's going. You know, so that was a big, a big move for us. Same thing too, like we had no idea what it would be like. None of us had did radio or TV or anything like that before. So it was totally out of our, our world to get into something like this. But I love the fucking freedom.

That's my favorite part of that. Is that you can get your show, it's produced by you. It's totally different work speed. It is. It's, and I hope we get that for as long as we keep got who knows how long that'll last, right? You never know until. I don't think it's going anywhere.

I mean, you know, it's not like anybody's going to really take control of the airwaves, you know, like the FCC had with radio bands. Yeah, well, you see what's going on with YouTube right now, right? Do you know what's going on with them, with them getting all censorship and everything like that? Have you seen that? Have you heard anything about that? No, what's going on?

Yeah, so the, I know the CEO of YouTube is starting to put out all kinds of stuff. And Doug, is it actually released yet or they just talked about that's the direction it's going as far as they're pulling some people's YouTube's if there's profanity and any sort of nudity or any sort of violence and then and even some of this stuff that like I know like the big way we found out was like some big rifle company and they have a huge like millions of followers, whatever because it was dealing with guns and automatics and things like that. They had a bunch of their big YouTube, some of their biggest videos that got pulled down

because of the violence and stuff that was in it. So you're starting to see some sort of censorship. And we just really started our, that's our kind of our next avenue right now is to build out our YouTube channel. We just started what maybe two months ago. And we were like, okay, can we make it as raw as the show? Because we're really raw on the show. The show we swear a lot.

There's, I mean, we talk about fucking drug sex, whatever there's no, there's no topic. We don't address on here. And we love to go that direction, because I feel like not a lot of people do, and a lot of people are afraid of that shit. So we, owners and titties.

That's right. We bring it on. And so we were kind of going back and forth that, you know, do we take that shock and a shock and a approach to the YouTube channel? And we chose not to. And then thank God, because maybe like a month later is when this all started coming out in the news with them trying to censor it. So you're part of your part of that show. And I was going to ask you a little bit about this looking for a fight because we're talking about going on the YouTube, us personally, I saw that it started out as a YouTube series. Is that correct?

That's right. And what was the decision making behind that? I think just Dana just wanted to have the ability, just like with what you're saying, to do whatever he wanted to do. And did you, you know what I mean? Because if you go on a television network, all of a sudden you've got, especially before a show finds like its legs. So if you guys had a show, let's say, and you're doing really well and you've got that shock on

our approach that you're talking about, and then a television network came to you and they said, well, we want to change it. You would be like, look, the reason we have this audience that you're so interested in is because this is our approach. Right. And you would have like, look, the reason we have this audience that you're so interested in is because this is our approach. Right. You would have a lot more leverage to say, don't touch it. And so to start the television show, to start the reality show with a TV network, it never would have, you know, we never would have been able to do the things we did.

Makes sense. Now you were on what the first two episodes, I believe? No, I was on the first, I think six episodes. Six episodes and then you left. And we got to ask you, obviously there was a big controversy about that and it's all over the place. I don't know if you want to talk about that or why you lost or why that.

I don't care. I mean, he wants to talk about that. He wants to talk shit about that. Come on. Perfect place for that. Yeah, Phil Listen, what's going on? You still friends with Dana? What happened?

Yeah, so, so, and I could tell you, man, it's been the most surreal experience. But being a writer, it's absolutely been gold. Because it's a writer, you want weird experiences and trippy experiences. But I left the show and the real reason that I left the show and it was my decision was that as a writer, I have to protect my headspace. And so it got to the point that there was so much fucking internal conflict and I had talked to the producers about it and I was like, listen, man, if the shit continues, I'm

telling you right now you're going to ruin the chemistry. And by the time we got to the sixth episode, I was just like, I'm done, man, I'm not doing it anymore. Well, elaborate on the internal. Let's explain that a little bit, though. So people understand what you mean by that, like the internal conflict, like what was going on that was conflicting for you

with the show? Oh, within the show? Yeah. Well, it just got to the point that it became so antagonistic between Matt and I. Okay. That, you know, where I just got, was like, man, I am not cool with this,

I'm not cool with the fact that I told them very early where I was like, listen man, if there are situations where you're setting me up and you're not setting all three of us up, if I'm not cool with the fact that I told them very early where I was like, listen man, if there are situations where you're setting me up and you're not setting all three of us up, if I'm not aware of it, then I'm gonna walk off the show. And it happened three times and I was at the end I was like, and so what happened is I really became paranoid to the point where we were filming where I'm like, what's happening next? What's gonna happen next? And then as I sat back and I thought about it, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? And I really was like, this is affecting my writing.

It's affecting because when you're a writer, you have to have like the most, or anybody who's creative. You have to have everything just cleared away. You have to really be able to compartmentalize because you're creating, especially with fiction, you're creating a world. Do you know what I mean?

And if things start to intrude on that, you're creating a world. Do you know what I mean? And if things start to intrude on that, you lose your ability to produce. And that's what started happening to me. And I was finally, I just said, you know what? I'm 48 years old. I'm a lawyer. I'm not fucking dealing with this anymore. You know, I talked to my wife and my daughter about it. And they were both like, it's not healthy for you. And I really looked at it where I was like, okay, in five years, am I gonna be, well, I care if I was on a reality show. No, I could give a shit, but we're like,

if I reach my goals and achieve my goals with writing. And ultimately, it just made the decision really simple. But then, so then it was like, okay, I'm done. And, but then, like after like two months, I'd say, or three months, you gotta realize, we have a real lag time between when the show's aired and when we would shoot them. So it was like six months, I think, after I had shot my last show. All of a sudden, Matt goes on, it was a Bruce Buffer's podcast

and just starts laying into me. But like doing it in a way, oh, I love the guy, but then bam, bam, bam, you know, to the point that it was like, dude, how fucking fake can it get, man, it just come out and say, listen, man, I'm going to smear him. I'm going to smear his name. He left the show and I'm pissed off. And I was just, it was so fucking crazy because then like all these forms, people started to look at, to debate my motivations for leaving the show.

Which is, if you think about it, it is so fucking weird because it's not like people are saying, did he do it or didn't he do it. They're actually looking into my motivations for why I left. And it should be more important, should this and that. And it felt like a Confederacy of Dances because it was so futile. Any report that I gave it was just like well it's not like I can say yes this is you know my motivation means this or that it's not like we're looking at a zero one binary argument. And so anyways that's

how it all left. It seems to me, this was your first time being on reality TV, right? You know, I had done a little bit of it with Dana when we did the vlogs like four years ago, three, four years ago. So we had on his video blogs, but it wasn't like real reality TV. It was more like just,

because it's different, like I rolled against Joe LaZone. I called out Joe LaZone one night, we were all drunk. And so Dana set it up like the next day for me to go ahead and grapple against Joe LaZone and he just absolutely smoked me. But it was really one of the highlights of my life, man. I'll never forget that because think about it, man. I got to play basketball against Michael Jordan

or golf against Tiger Woods. I got to roll against Joe his own in the octagon. So ever since then, I made it a point to call out whoever I can call out to try and get a match like that. And I did the same thing at the beginning of the show against Matt. And he just took so much offense to it. And I was just like, okay, I guess I'm going to show with the guy who's that thin skin. Well, let me ask because the reason why I was asking is because, you know, when you look at reality TV, it seems obvious to me that they want conflict.

I mean, it gets ratings, right? That's why I was an asshole. They pitted him. They have to, because you get, when you look at the real world, which was on MTV, that's one of the original reality shows. The first one was so friendly and so nice and everything was cool, because the producers didn't, like, they weren't looking for conflict Then they started kind of looking for conflict and setting people up and putting people together

They knew would get like they'd have the country, you know, you know Hit guy and then the gay dude from San Francisco and they're like putting him in the same room and yeah the homo five homo Fogai with the racist guy and they're just waiting for you to happen So if you it's what you, do you think that, that number one, that they kind of set it up that way, number two, that all the stuff that Matt is saying afterwards, is just to hype up the show, because this is all advertising.

I would think so, he's probably just trying to hype the show, and I don't really care about that. It doesn't really matter. For me, like I said, the PR has been, as a writer, the PR and the experience has been unreal. So, I'm really stoked about it. And I definitely, I've never come out and said anything negative about Matt. And I didn't fire back at all and just tried to let people know why it was.

And I understand that there's a deal with setting people up, but we did this thing where they tased us. And afterwards, someone who's in law for it's meant said, Nick, they hit me on Twitter, look at the fucking tays. Matt didn't didn't even get tays it only went from his arm from his neck to his arm look where they hooked it up and for me they had it hooked up from where I was grabbing Dana's hand because it went through all of us all the way to my ankle and so I said listen I told Dana it just admit that it happened admit that you set me up we got a long lecture from SWAT team members who told us

for 30 minutes the most painful days is the the reason they like to shoot people from far away is because the prongs go wider and so I said so dude they didn't these guys were SWAT experts and they told us what happened you know what was gonna happen etc etc and then Matt didn't take the days I said just cop to it just cop to it. Just cop to it and private. And he wouldn't do it. So I said, I'm off the show. Oh, shit. So you think Dana was in on it then?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, just watch the video. So, you know, and that's what I said. So, you know, I understand that there's a need to create conflict, but my failing was just set us all up then, or at least cop to it and we can laugh at it afterwards. Have you guys always had that kind of relationship where he's been messing with you, like growing up in there?

Yeah, I mean, we've always done shit like that to each other. Yeah, well, you just fuck with each other. You think you could take it, or you just fuck with each other. No, and it's not like I couldn't take it, but when I was like, hey, man, this is what happened, you know, just admit that it happened

and when it didn't happen, but you know, the reality was, I was so happy to be up to show. It was something I was talking to my wife about. I remember when Ron de Rousey did the ultimate fighter. And afterward she said, I will never in the history of the world do another fucking reality TV show again. And you don't really understand that until you go through it. I couldn't imagine.

I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. I remember her saying that, yeah. Yeah, but you know, it really wasn't just what was happening on film. It was also, I just didn't enjoy it. I didn't enjoy any of it. I didn't enjoy traveling with them. I loved traveling with Dana before this,

but when we were traveling with the show shit was antagonistic off camera. It just got to the point where it bled over into everything. And I was like, I don't need this shit, man. Yeah, it's absolutely not. I don't care about a reality show. It seems that they would be content that would be part of the deal is that they'd be trying to kind of keep you guys on edge and fuck with you and keep you almost at each other because it would make for better viewing, right? Yeah, that didn't that's not how it happened. It happened when the producers weren't there and just the antagonism just bled over into everything.

Yeah, and so, you know, but again, man, like I said, as a writer, it was just unreal to be put in that situation and to experience that, and especially to do experience what happened afterwards. Like when Matt went on Bruce Buffer, then it was just like holy shit, because it really gave me an opportunity to look at myself, because when I was younger, I grew up wrestling

and playing football and I was such a meathead and I talked about this on Chale Sunas podcast about how I was so conflict oriented and I really got a chance to see myself when I was like 19 or 20 and realize man,, there, I got to get away from this. What you guys want to hear a crazy story? Yeah, we'd love to. So I was 19 years old and I was like a meathead, man.

I spent like my junior year in reform school in Vegas, like in the projects, man. I was like the only white kid there and because I would fight all the time, but I was like a total reader and a sci-fi geek. And so I got it and you guys have read the book, Dune. Yeah, that's great. Dune, I loved Dune, man, and I loved it there. Anyways, so they would eat the spice and they would pretty much trip out. And so when I got the college, I was at UNOV, rug my fresh mirror, I'm like, man, I want to do mushrooms, man, I want to trip out. Well, a guy gave me a bag of mushrooms and he's like, here you go, you're going to enjoy him.

I had no idea what I was doing. Oh, God. I eat the whole thing. Oh, shit. I ate 20 caps and like 20 stems. Dude, I tripped. You in deep. I went to the other side of the universe, man.

I tripped. Shripped you in deep for I went to the other side of the universe man. I Shripped Since I think it was like five in the afternoon till the next morning and 11 in the morning just insane and But what was so intense about it man is I realized like when I came back I was like oh my god. It like Breaks apart your ego and it showed me that like this thing, like that we are, we'd consider like, this is Nick Nicolo, that that was just like this avatar in a video game. And I didn't have the metaphor to say that then,

because we didn't have like video games like we have now. But I realized that. And I just ever since then, man, I've been like, you know what? I am not going to be like that person that I was. He's always looking for a fight. Anybody you see that is always screaming at people and always looking for a fight and always raising their voice, what I realize is that person is always in fear.

And so that fear makes us feel so helpless. And I talk about this a lot of my podcasts, this like internal thing, not just working out, but that fear that we have makes us feel so helpless that either you go into panic and you run its fighter flight or you go into this, I'm going to take some control and exercise this fake anger or this real anger, but it gives me this fake feeling of control. And so ever since I had that experience, I realized that. And I was like, no more, man, no more fights, no more this than that. And as I've gotten older, you guys were asking, you know, how is it I'm 48 years old,

like, and I look like this, I think it has to do with completely trying to pull myself away from that fight or flight thing that's inside of us all the time. And it's difficult to do, you know, I mean, there's no two ways about it. But think about the miles you put on a car. If you're always on your, if you think of your car as a body, if you're always in fighter flight, it's like frickin' run in the clutch, you know, it redlining all the time. That's a great, that's a great point, man. Do you, uh, so that, I mean, you're not the only per I've heard many people say that doing mushrooms was extremely transformative

Have you done any since? I did a lot I did a lot after that. I haven't done any in a while and I think I'm gonna try DMT But while we were raising my daughter. I was like man. I'm gonna forget. I'm gonna hold off on all that you know But but I think it really that thing is one of the most overlooked aspects of training and recovery. Because, you know, when you work out, because we're always thinking about training and training and recovery and recovery,

but think about how much you just wear your body out by always being in that fight or flight. There's no question about it. That takes away from our ability to recover and to perform and to just be happy. Well, we talk a lot about this on the show because all those things, those are all stresses on the body, including working out. People don't realize that that's a temporary stress on the body. And if you're hammering, if you're in a sport or training or working out just

for aesthetic reasons or just even to be healthy, but you're in the gym lifting weights every single day, then on top of that, you've got this crazy workload. And then you on top of that, you're in this, that's your mentality where you're always redlining and stressing. I mean, you're never really allowing the body to fully recover. And it's not, it's not ideal for us at all. And it's definitely, I've seen so many people that live their life that way.

And they always look like they're two, you know, 10 times older than what they really are because of how much stress that they're putting on their, on their body. That's great self-awareness on your part too. Are you, uh, I know, 10 times older than what they really are because of how much stress that they're putting on their body. That's great self-awareness on your part too. Are you, I mean, it wasn't something I was thinking, I was gonna become aware of. I mean, that was, it was a crazy experience. But yeah, man, it changed me.

It completely changed me. And, you know, even to this day, man, I really focused on meditation. I learned how to meditate back then. And, you know, and my diet so so you know being a vegetarian My everything I do as far as diet is to put less stress on the body because there's so much stress that we put on the body By shoving shit in there that's so hard to digest so for me. It's all about you know Keeping a very clear mind with meditation and keeping a clear body by just trying to eat as clean as I can and

You know that you you talked a little bit about fasting, intermittent fasting, how long have you been practicing that? Oh man, this is a great story. So when I was like 30, nine years old, I saw a picture of myself surfing without a shirt. I was just in trunks. And dude, I was like 45 pounds overweight. I could not, but you just don't realize it until someone puts a mirror in front of you.

And so I looked at this picture and I was like, man, I gotta pull this shit together, man. And so then I read Tim Ferriss's book on what is it for our body and just his slow carb method. And so I started doing that and I started getting myself into ketosis. And within 30 days, I dropped 40 pounds. And I've kept it off for eight years now. myself into ketosis and within 30 days I dropped 40 pounds.

And I've kept it off for eight years now. And so then I would say a few years after that, I would say maybe four years ago, I learned about intermittent fasting. So I added that to my keto diet and it's just, it's been unreal. It's life changing for us. Life changing. Yeah, right? Well, we're all from the fitness industry, right?

We originated there. We all ran health clubs and gyms and around bodybuilders. And it was, it was blasphemy to tell somebody to skip a meal. I mean, you had to go right to every two fucking hours. That's a breakfast holy shit. Yeah, don't skip a meal. So when I, when I learned about a fast thing, I mean, I've heard about fasting forever, right?

The hippies and the, and the crunchy weird people will talk about it. And you kind of, you of, you blow them off because they look like, you know, they blow away in the wind and say like, whatever, I want to be strong. Next thing you know, you're hearing certain people who are strong and built and they're talking about fasting. So we, you know, I started experimenting myself

and it literally destroyed almost everything I thought when it came to, you know, muscle building nutrition and fitness based nutrition because that was like a rule. That was one of the number one rules. You eat every few hours, you never skip a meal. And once I realized that that was bullshit, I started examining all of it. You know, I started looking at protein and take

and all these different things and realized, holy shit, most of the stuff we've been fed is crap. Well, it's a lot of what motivated us to do what we did. We talk about the raw fitness truth. That's what we talk about. And earlier we were talking about how we talk a lot about all the bullshit in the fitness industry. This was something that shattered all of our paradigms.

I mean, to think to not eat when I was a guy, I was always the skinny kid who couldn't put weight on. So that just seemed absurd. I always felt like I could never eat enough to get big. I could never eat enough to get big. I could never eat enough to get big. And so for someone to tell me that, you'd be a good idea for me to skip a meal. I think that's just, it's a no way.

No way could that be good for me or ideal for me. And I remember when we all went through it, I mean, shit, that's probably one of our number one selling guides. We have a fasting guide that we released last year. And we share a lot about it on the podcast. And it's one of those things that doesn't matter how many times someone here until you kind of go through it

yourself and you experience it. And then you go, it's like, holy shit, like I feel so much better. You would think that you wouldn't have the energy, your energy feels great, inflammation's down, you sleep better. Like everything is literally better when you start to incorporate that.

How often do you do it during the week, are you somebody who does it like several times a week, or do you do it intermittently just randomly, or how do you find it? I do it every single day. I do it every single day. Oh wow, every day, okay. So I do it. I never, yeah, I never don't do it.

I never repurpose. I never, that's just the way I do it. So what time's your first meal? About one o'clock. Okay, so you fast to one o'clock every single day. You, yeah, I pass one o'clock every day, and then two or three days a week, I'll train at AOJ at night, and I get out at like nine o'clock, so I get home around nine, yeah, I pass one o'clock every day and then two or three days a week. I'll train at AOJ at night and I get out at like nine o'clock so I get home around nine thirty.

I don't eat anything then. So I don't, I'll have one meal on two or three days a week at like two thirty because you got to realize my metabolism is slowing down more every year. And so it's for me to be able to skip a few, few meals at night also. It just keeps me super lame. It does, and they're finding the regenerative and anti-aging effects of intermittent fasting, along with the anti-aging effects of being in ketosis.

Now, I have a question for you. You're a vegetarian, but you also eat a keto-style diet. They seem like they're at odds. It seems like a difficult thing to do if you don't eat animal-beard-limited options. How do you eat a vegetarian diet that's also keto? What does that look like? Yeah, and I tell people that too,

because I'm like, listen, if you like me eat me, I don't have anything against it, but it's definitely something where if you eat me, it's much easier. But I typically, one of the things that Tim Ferris talked about in the book is that some people can eat grains, not grains, but can eat like beans. And some people can't, I can't, I stay in ketosis if I eat beans. So I don't eat soy beans, I don't eat tofu, but I'll just eat beans every couple weeks.

You know, one of the first things that kind of opened my mind back in the 80s, I remember Lou Ferigno was on and this is when he made his like second run for Mr. Olympiad had to be in the like 80, 80, 89 and he was being interviewed. He was huge too. He's like 320 pounds, I remember that. You remember that? Yeah, I do. It was massive and they asked him about protein is protein intake and he just laughed and he said,

you know, basically protein is the biggest sham in the world. He said, look at the gorilla. The gorilla doesn't eat meat. The gorilla doesn't, you know, it gets very little protein and look at all that musculature and the woman who was interviewing them was like, so you don't need much, you don't take protein powder or anything and he's like absolutely not and so when I realized that then You know back then I started going oh my god That's when I really started realizing that the so much of the supplement industry is just bullshit. Oh Three Yeah, it's so and it was crazy to hear him doing that because you know all those bodybuilders were under contract a weater

You know and helping sell protein powder so He must not been under contract for it to come out and say that. But the reality is, so I will eat like every week, like every Sunday I'll make a big pot of lentils, a soup, and I'll just have that throughout the week. And I eat a very simplistic diet, and I pretty much cook all my own food and I'll eat the same thing again and again.

So you know when I have like at night, when I do eat at night, I'll have vegetables maybe with you know some beans or something like that. And then for lunch I'll have like a salad, I usually eat a salad for lunch. But I don't ever think about or worry about protein. If I do, if I want protein, and I think I need it all eight almonds, I love almonds. I eat a lot of raw almond butter. So you say that doesn't pull me out of ketosis. So you've learned to pretty much eat intuitively. Listen to your body and how it feels. Yeah, I mean, if I wasn't hungry

all day, then I wouldn't eat. Like if I get to the point, like it's one o'clock right now, and I'm not hungry, I already served for two hours, I'm probably not gonna eat until I catch up with my wife and we go grab something. Yeah, that's kinda how I eat, that's excellent. It works really well when you can get to that point where you kinda start to listen to your body. It's not, you're not dieting anymore, it's easy, you know?

Well, it's so great, but it's so different than how the fitness industry has been preaching for life, especially the last like 20 years, you know, it's just everything has been around the supplement industry in the the timing of the meals are so important and then the exact ratio of carbs to protein is so important. Oh, it was, let me tell you, it was like that in the 80s too. Yeah. It was, you know, it's all the same bullshit, just repackaged and resold. You know, one of the things you don't think about either, and I'm sure you guys have felt it too,

is the less you eat, how much more mental clarity you have. Oh, yeah, 100%. 100%. For sure. Which is how funny is this? Like, don't you remember as a kid, what your mom would probably tell you before you go to have a test day on school when you were in like, you know, elementary or whatever like that, and it's like, make sure you eat it breakfast.

You use pancakes and orange. Yeah, pancakes, orange juice and cereal or some shit. You know, it's like the total opposite of actually what we call your sleepy. I know, I know, man. You know, I think the hardest thing with the diet for me is that like I don't have, I don't worry too much about protein. And I, because I lifted so much like during my formative years till I was 20 and I've never

not lifted. There's never been a week in my life that I haven't lifted. But I'm now to the point where I just go in and I could work almost my whole body and just get a pump and that's enough because of muscle memory that I don't, you know, so I think me, I'm not really in a building phase, so I'm not really worried about protein and maybe I would be if I was, I don't know. Well, because you've been lifting for so long and you were training in Vegas and throughout the 80s, the attitude, especially in the 80s,

towards things like anabolic steroids, was very different. Did you ever dabble in anything like that? Absolutely not. It scared the shit out of me. Oh wow, but back then it was so easy, I'm assuming, right? It was so easy, I mean, now, I was like, yeah, no two ways about it. One of my very, very close friends was caught up in that What was it in the late 80s when the FBI just nabbed so many guys in sting operations?

Selenck steroids man, he did time too. Oh, so it was accessible. I could have done it It was something, you know, I think that genetically I didn't need to I've always had the ability to really build muscle But I was just I was was so fearful, even then, just about, you know, there are consequences from this, man. I would see guys get bitch tits and I would see guys, you know what I mean? And I was like, man, there is no way this is this healthy, you know? And also at that time, I was probably like 19 when I had,

when I totally tripped out and I, that changed my attitude towards everything. I never stopped working out, but I totally tripped out, and I, that changed my attitude towards everything. I never stopped working out, but I never really was going saying, hey, I need to get bigger, I need to get bigger. And because, you know, I'm a surfer and a skater, and even in Jiu-Jitsu, you kind of want to have, you want to operate it as a light and lean of a weight as you can, because when you compete in Jiu-Jitsu, you got weight limits. And so you want to be as lean as you can. I go into Giu-Jitsu tournaments with, you know, is just absolutely no fat.

Oh yeah, it's not very advantageous to be a big bulky muscle guy and try to roll it. No, no, no. I don't want to be that guy, man. I mean, and we know from a health standpoint how bad that is for you, how bad it is for your blood pressure. And now, thank God, I'm so stoked that I never did any steroids or anything like that, because now we know that later in life, I know a lot of people do TRT, and I guess if they have, I don't really judge anything like that, but I haven't had to do it, and I don't

really want to do it. Well, it's amazing to me that people don't consider that hormones are some of the strongest signals in the body, tell the body to do multiple functions and many functions are connected and ways we don't understand and how one hormone will affect other hormones and other things in the body. And just recently, I've seen people post this all over social media that birth control is strongly connected to depression and women and people are shocked.

I know. They're blown away and it's like, well, no shit, man, you're taking a hormone. Of course, it's gonna affect other things besides your intended, you know, you're intending to do, which is not get pregnant. So of course, taking, you know, super levels of testosterone or hormones,

it's gonna have other effects besides the ones you're looking for, which is to build muscle. Yeah, and they also have shown that excess testosterone in the brain, short circuits, the brain's ability to feel empathy. Oh, well that makes sense. Roid rage is a very, very real thing, man. No, I mean, it makes sense because the male brain in general is, when tested, and this is in general, of course, individuals very dramatically, but we'll find that we have,

we are empathetic abilities are a little bit less than women's, and there's this test that they do where they'll show pictures of eyes. All you see is a person's eyes, and you have to guess what emotion they're feeling. Like, are they happy? Are they smiling? Are they frightened?

Just by looking at the eyes, women score typically much higher than men do because their ability to read and empathize is much better. And it might be linked to obviously our brain, but the fact that we have such high levels of androgens compared to them. Yeah, it's wild, huh? And I think that that's the whole thing with insulin, too, with telling the body to

store fat. And so we got to reduce our insulin response, reduce our insulin response. It's fascinating. I don't think we're gonna understand it all at least in other 10, 20 years. And I think at that point, we'll probably look back and go, man, you remember when people used to do steroids and they used to do all that crazy shit, man?

Yeah. Now, I know we were talking shit about the supplement industry, but do you take any supplements? Do you take anything at all? I do. I take, you know, I make sure I like to take Omega's and I like to take, I take reverse withdrawal because I heard about that. Yeah, I have, yeah.

Yeah, and so I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it correctly. I'm just very neutral. I'm a risk-virtual. Milk, milk, thistle, and I try and eat a lot of turmeric. And so usually when I make soup, I'll have raw turmeric and I'll peel it and put it all in there for the week because they've shown that that's really good against. It really a lot of things, anti-aging cancer. Two more weeks, a pretty interesting compound. In fact, some of the active ingredients mimic cannabinoids, which may be why it's got some

of the health benefits, but you need to take your turmeric with some fat. Apparently, what you can't absorb it very well unless you have it with some kind of effect. Yeah, you know, that's the great thing about the diet. Once I started learning about going into keto, and I eat so much fat now, and which is so contrary to what we grew up hearing. But I make sure, like when I eat my soup, or I make my soup, I'll put so much coconut oil.

I put coconut oil on everything. Oh, it's amazing. What's your workout look like? You said you go in and kind of do full body now, Hoff, and do you do that? Yeah, I'll go in probably two, three days a week. And so sometimes I'll do full body, but if I'll, like on Mondays, I tend to do legs. And so I herniated, or I bulged a desk, herniated a desk back when I was like 19 years old snowboarding. And so ever since then, I've had to be really rigorous about keeping my core really strong and the best thing for my lower back, and I've done it now for 20-something years, is

those, you know, the A-Ductor and the Ab-Ductor machines. Oh, you're kidding me. If I do that every week, I have no lower back. As you said, if I skip a week, my lower back will start hurting. You know what? It might be coming from your SI joint, right? Where the spine attaches to the pelvis. That might be where a lot of your problems are coming from.

That's what's helping you. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, man. So I'll go in and I'll work. My main thing on Monday is my lower back. So I'll go in and I'll do legs. I'll do legs stench. I'm not squatting. Leg extension, stiff leg, a deadlift, a doctor, abductors, and I'll do everything to the point

that I get. Usually I'll go to failure, I try to go to failure every set that I do, but I'm definitely instead not just looking to go to failure, but I'm looking for that pump. And so then, and sometimes when I get done with legs, I'll be like, you know what, I'm going to do chest and I'm going to do back. And so if I'm doing chest, once again, I'm just trying to get a pump and I don't really bench press anymore, but I'll do flies. So I'll grab 60, 70 pounds and just do flies and get as many as I can.

Then I'll go on to, or not only do flies, and then I'll do the same weights and I'll do presses. And sometimes I'll jump on a machine. And you know, usually like that, like maybe two exercises for chest and then I'll jump on back and I'll do pull downs and rows. And that's about it. Nick, that's not to switch too much on the gears here, but I do, I do want to, you mentioned something earlier and I wanted to ask you a little more about you mentioned your goals

like with riding, like, can we talk a little bit about that? Like, what are some big goals for you with that? Well, I'm finishing a novel right now and I hope to have that finished like in the next six weeks. And so that was a, that was a huge benefit, man. Once I left the show, I just for some reason had this enormous burst of creativity on this novel that I was writing, which novel, you know, it's something like that. Usually a book will take me like two years, my first book took two years. So this one I think is going to end up taking me two years. And so I want to have a novel done, and it's sci-fi. It's really going to what I love. And I want to have that done, like I said, in like six to eight weeks. And so probably publish that next

year around this time. That's like all. Justin's passion over there. Justin's passion. Yeah, man. I'm totally into sci-fi. Yeah, and he's been working on a sci-fi forever, dude. Well, only for like a decade.

Yeah, I'll never put it out. I'm one of those guys. Yeah, sci-fies the best. Yeah, I love it. That's cool, man. Yeah, so my goal is I'm setting up a world of this first book and is to have a series in this book. And it just, I love doing a nonfiction book. world this first book and is to have a series in this book and you know and it's just you know

it I love I love doing a nonfiction book but it becomes so difficult when you're coordinating with other people as far as the fighters and interviewing people and doing this I was like I'm not doing that shit anymore and when I work with Vice it was all nonfiction so I just was like I'm it's just too much it's too much work it's too much coordination yeah fiction you just it's just you, it's just too much work, it's too much coordination. Yeah, fiction, you're just just you, man. You and your mind and your creativity and you just go. So Nick, it's been a pleasure talking to you, man. But before we go, I want to let you know, I'd like to send you one of our programs because

you're talking about your workout, what you're doing for exercise, and you're very active with surfing and skating. We have a program called Mass Performance, which is kind of your functional, you know, athletic type based workout program. I'll make sure Doug sends that over to you. You've been in the fitness industry for so long and working out for so long. We'd love to get your feedback on it. And, you know, if you want to do it or not, just take a look at it.

But we'll test you out. Yeah, we'll give you some, it's, we've had incredible, incredible feedback from people who... So what is it? Just give me some detail. Well, it's, so it's a... Why don't you talk about maps for a second? Well, so, so maps are the workouts programs that we put together, and there's some concepts,

there's certain concepts that we put in these programs that we found, we've all been training now for, and training clients and trainers now for myself over 20 years, and both these guys for over 15. And there's a lot of things that you start to see that are really effective and that actually work. And a lot of those things are counter to what you get in these fitness bodybuilding magazines. You know, full body workouts are far more successful for most people than body parts splits.

Utilizing certain lifts and programming them in different ways, phasing your workouts for different forms of adaptation, utilizing active recovery. We have things like trigger sessions and focus sessions, and the program we're going to send you has what are called mobility sessions, which are designed to improve your overall movement and mobility and connectivity to what you're doing. So that not only are you stronger in the gym, but then when you go surf skate, do Jiu Jitsu, whatever, it actually translates to the real world

because a lot of times you see guys in the gym, they get real strong in the gym, they can do heavy lifts, then they go play at the park with their kids, or they go play football or something with their buddies or basketball, and they tear something because that strength is not put together.

It doesn't translate well. So this program is extremely comprehensive. It's got videos in their demos. It's broken down into phases. There's four phases. Each one is between three to four weeks long. So it's pretty excellent. I'd be awesome to get your feedback. So we'll send that to you.

You'll love it. I mean, part of what we talked. So we'll send that to you. So to that of you. Yeah, no, you'll love it. I mean, part of what, I mean, we talked when we first got on the podcast, we talked about how we were really anti the fitness industry with like the supplement companies. And like, and a big way, like guys, I guess would normally make money is you get a good podcast or whether or you compete like I did

and you make a name for yourself. And then once you have a large enough following and then you pump and you sell supplements. That's how you make millions of dollars because they got to renew every single month and there's so much hoopla around it. And then, or you rip out some generic program and you sell it for $9.99 for tons of people.

And we took a very opposite approach that and told people that there's lots of things. And that's how we talk about intermittent fasting and we talk about the ketogenic diet and we talk about all these health benefits that will are going to be so much more beneficial for people than taking some pill or taking some supplement or some gimmicky program.

And then we talked about a big problem with the industry is that a lot of these guys that are designing programs have no real either formal education or no real experience, training clients, like, you know, there's a big difference between, you know, a guy who gets up on stage and he looks buff and awesome and he's got a coach who tells him that and then he rips out a program that he sells for tons of money over the, over the, you know, the course of his career versus guys like ourselves that have trained thousands and thousands of people and

trainers that train, train clients and all the real world problems that we've came across and like knowing that type of stuff. So all maps is muscular adaptation programming system. So we really have like a programming system person and what their adaptation is all about and what they're looking for. And then we also encourage a lot of flexibility within the program, meaning that we don't believe

in like one cookie cutter program for everybody. And we kind of try and teach people how to program design themselves. So it's a very unique way of, so it's not like anything else you'll ever come across. Like it's not just, you're not gonna get like a sheet of paper just gonna say go do these exercises.

There's detailed videos that explains each phase of the program. Well, more educational. Yeah, it is. We try and educate, yeah, we try and educate while we give you the workout plan and the information. And then like I said, we really encourage you to learn

that you brought up some things, limitations that you have. We have a private forum, which we most certainly will give you access to, where people can get on the forum and they can ask questions and they can get directly to us or other professionals that will, hey, I've got this injury or hey, this hurts when I do this, what are some options? And we modify it.

Yeah, so that's great. Yeah, I love to get your feedback. But we've had a good time talking to you, man. Yeah, that's awesome, man. I really appreciate it. I'll have to get you guys on my podcast. I'd love to, you know, one of the things that would be really cool to get you guys on my podcast is to talk more about what you're saying right now is because, you know, I'm someone

who's been working out a long time. I've never really trained anybody. And sometimes people, a lot of times, people will come to me in the gym who are older, and they've never really worked out, and I'm just scratching my head, going, I don't even know what to tell these people, because I've been working out so long,

I don't really think about things. How do you deal with someone who's never lifted? That's 40 years old and is never lifted. I don't even know where you would start. Well, that's a good point because throughout the years you've learned how to train yourself. And I know how to train me. Exactly, exactly.

So Nick, I wanted to get some of your, because what we're going to do now is we'll hang up and then we're going to record the intro to this interview and introduce you to your audience and we're going to give you some plugs. So what would you like us to plug? Your podcast, do you have a Facebook or Instagram plugs. So what would you like us to plug? Your podcast, do you have a Facebook or an Instagram or Twitter or what would you like us to plug?

Yeah, anything and everything. Go ahead and write them off for us. We'll write them down and then we'll cover them on the intro. Okay, so Modus V is my podcast. M-O-T-U-S-V and Nick the tooth is my Instagram. And they can get me, and they can go ahead and get me that way. Okay, do you have a website or anything?

Just putting up the website this weekend. Okay, perfect. I have my own website, but don't pump the website. Okay, so Nick the Tooth on Instagram and Modus V for your podcast. That's right. Excellent, excellent. Awesome, dude.

Very cool, my man. Yeah, yeah, great time, man. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks guys, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at Mind Pump

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