Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 454: Muscle Deflation Post Steroid Use, Day-to Day Habits that Promote Poor Recruitment Patterns, Soy Dangers & MORE

Episode Date: February 10, 2017

Kimera-Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Kimera Koffee (kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the optimal number of trigger sessions to do, why people deflate after stopping steroid use, women and Anavar, top 3 things people do to promote poor recruitment patterns & why soy products are "bad." Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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It's very valuable information. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, please only one place to go. Mind pop, mind pop with your hosts. Salda Stef one place to go. Mind, up, mind, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. How about you getting a little testy with Vince Del Monte over there? Who me? Yes. You. I was getting testing. You know what I don't think so.

I think you spot on. No, there was no test. Yeah, but I was telling Katrina. I we were we were reading it together. Come on. You know me. I'm not the kind of person. No, you're not at all, but every once in a while see this is okay So this is these are your patterns, right? So Sal likes to You like to observe and you down. I do observe you were too alike it makes me annoyed I hate you. You're just like me. Yeah, so like

Sal has this incredible like Zen discipline about himself that doesn't let anybody ruffles feathers, even when someone comes on as a page and attacks him, which is different than me, right? If you take me on my page, I'm gonna fuck you up where Sal, you attack him on his page. And what he will do is he will set a trap for you by asking you nice questions and you will walk right. It's a bear trap. It is a bear trap. But every once in a while,

somebody ruffles his feathers enough that he goes on the offense. And you were a little offensive with Vince Delmont. I can see that Adam, that you mentioned that. Thank you. How's offensive? No, no offensive.

Not offensive. You went on the offensive. I know sports analogies are hard. Yeah, it's offensive to defense. Because I thought you guys were talking about me not wearing deodorant again. I was like, what? No, no, no.

Offensive meaning sometimes and typically you play defense when you do when you do this. I tend to be the one out of all of us that is a little more offensive when we when we get somebody, right? Like I don't mind kind of being that guy. And it's nice because we have a nice balance between all of us and you know, I'm a kind of backpedal a little bit, played defense for us. So we're not just like all a bunch of jerks. But every now and then when somebody that you either one, you don't like already before

something starts or two, they said something. There's, there's the hit the hot button. And if they got the hot button, they got the offense. It's completely wrong. It's kind of hard for you. That's what it is. That's what I get really upset. That's what it is. That's when I get really upset. That's what it is. Let me let me let me let me go one step further on my evaluation,

looking back. So, all right. Sal 24 hours before that actually wrote a really good insightful post about fasting. But yeah, exact topic. Exact. Exactly. Oh, did I? Yes, you did. So it was fresh in your mind. It was fresh in his mind. He wrote a really good post. And I think that just especially I think anytime that we share these, you know, paradigm shattering moments for us or letting you guys inside of our own journey of the things we struggled with or the things we've overcame or have learned along the process. I believe most people enjoy those most. So Sal did this great post. He actually sent me that picture of himself half naked first for motivation. And I told him to fuck off us. He tagged me on that.

I was like, well Adam said he needed material. I don't know what he was talking about. I did. So I sent him material. I said Doug, but I don't know you were talking about the bathroom. Do you have, you know, lube with you? I felt, I felt, you know, sometimes he's like, you want to help your boy out.

He's like, ah, you material. I know shit. I shared in our, I shared this on the forum. So if you're on the forum, you got me. You got to see the inside of this. So like, ah, you material, I know shit. I go in our, I share this on the forum stuff. If you're on the forum, help me. You got to see the inside of this. So we have a group text that we're all on. And I send Doug, we just,

very offensive. We had a week this last couple of days that we were with, Juji Mufu. And we took all kinds of photos and video and Doug has all that. And I said, hey, Doug, could you shoot me over some, you know, pictures? I could use some content for Instagram. And Doug says, yeah, you know, I says, yeah, I'll get it to you,

when I get back home and I upload from the cameras. And I say, cool. And then cell sends over a half-naked picture of himself and says, Adam, here you go. Here's some content. And I said, you know what, you will fuck. I'm gonna post this on my page right now. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And then I thought it was no no, because he's one of these like, I'm gonna use that picture. Don't be stealing my content. Yeah, don't be stealing my content. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and that was just our relationship with food and that appetite control and you know. What is what it is, is it's the opposite. So there's different types of poor relationships to food or I should say poor relationships to food

can display themselves in many different ways, right? You can become anorexic. Or disguise them as. Yeah, you can become anorexic, that's an obvious one. I won't eat anything, there's bulimia. Disguise them as well. Yeah, you can become anorexic. That's an obvious one. I won't eat anything. There's bulimia. Those are the two most common recognized ones. But then there's eating disorders in our industry

where people literally freak out if they don't eat every two hours. Or they freak out if they don't get tons of protein every day. Or they freak out if they don't eat all this food because they think their muscles are going to fall off their body. So fasting for people in our industry, especially the guys in our industry who are trying to build muscle, it's this wonderful tool to just break that process down to where, oh my god, I don't have to eat every two hours. My muscle is not falling off my body and look at all these wonderful health benefits and

then the side effect of that was, I get leaner, but I don't fast for leanness. And I think that's where the, my irritation came from with, with Vince's post. Well, I think that, I mean, and just to, just to remind people that where, where we come from as far as an authority on this position is, fuck, we did all of that. Like, I mean, I was that trainer that thought like that, that taught like that, and learned the hard way over years and years of training clients and continued to grow and learn more.

And now when we, I just had a question, somebody asked her this about fasting on our forum. You know, like, hey, I've been following the fasting protocol like every day for the last couple of weeks, and I've noticed my weight isn't going down, and right away, like, I have to address that when I see that because, you know, we are all very, very adamant about that fasting is a tool for health, not a tool for weight loss. And that's where you can create this bad relationship. And it's definitely the message of my pump

is, and the same thing when we did keto and we shared that with people is like, listen, you got to stop, you know, hopping from one trend to the next trend to one latest and greatest thing. Because you wanna lose weight. Because you wanna lose weight. It's, they're each one of these things. You wanna focus on the health benefits of it. Yes.

The longevity of it. And that was the irritating part too, is he was like immediately closing off to all like the scientific information because he's like, oh, well, you know, I can't, it can't sustain this type of lifestyle. And there's no longevity with this. Well, that's the thing.

So he made a post and his post literally says, is fasting a gimmick. And then it's the title of the video that he directed people to was, I basically, I think it was something like, I hate fasting or this is why I hate fasting and whatever. And the whole video is basically talking about why he hates fasting, why he never recommends fasting.

But his premise is wrong. He's talking about how, you know how fasting is not as a gimmick. It's not a great way to lose weight. And it's not sustainable and just all this. Well, that was the one that he said, right, was you're right. It's not a great way to lose weight. That's not the idea of it.

Now that's okay. No, fasting to lose weight turns into anorexia. It could turn into other bad relationships to food. But his whole premise of it being not sustainable, or it's a gimmick. A gimmick literally means something that's new, that's introduced now, that doesn't really have any value. Hold weight later on.

That doesn't hold weight later on. Can I tell you the truth is, if I'm comparing methods of eating, if I compare fasting to eating even three meals a day, and we look at the way humans have eaten since we've been on earth, the eating three meals a day is a gimmick. That's the one that we recently, relatively recently, introduced into our lifestyle, because for most of human civilizations, people in fucking eat all the time, not only that, but most cultures, most old cultures don't promote eating

large breakfast lunch and dinner. No, let alone six meals a day. Well, each breakfast meal, lunch meal, dinner meals, this is all like manufactured. It's an arbitrary unit of time, you know, spacing between meals, a period of fasting or not having fuel sources, sustain the human biology for hundreds of thousands of years.

Not only did it sustain it, but if you, I mean, you allowed it to persevere and evolve. Yeah, and the good news, the cool thing about my own, one of the cool things about having the show is we get to talk to like the world's leading researchers on topics.

So you get to hear it, like the new shit that's coming out. Yeah. And we've talked to quite a few who are experts in fasting, who are like on the cutting edge, right? And they're saying things like fasting, you know, fasting is necessary, like activity is, you know, for long-term health. It's not something that you do to better your

health necessarily. It's something you should do because our bodies evolved with this process in fact. We have two systems to operate it. Well, exactly Dr. Walter Lungo, who is one of the world's leading researchers on fasting, he calls it fasting just a separate program. Like eating is one program, fasting is another program, and if you don't utilize either one of both of them, then you're missing out on all these factors. For example, prolonged fasting in humans, and again, we're talking about the health benefits here, prolonged fasting in humans long fast, five, seven day fast, it'll shrink your organs.

Tremendously, you'll notice your liver, they'll show liver shrinkage by up to 40% now. Now, does that sound bad, but it's not. In fact, it's a good thing because when then when people feed themselves, the liver and the organs regenerate and rebuild and all those new cells that have been added, all that new growth, they look like youth, they look like they represent what it looks like to have a younger, you know, set of cells in these organs. It actually rejuvenates the body,

it reduces risk of cancer. There's all these amazing benefits. And then Vince Del Monte, who's, you know, look, here's the thing, I mostly respect the guy. A lot of information he gives is decent. He's good, he's one of the few voices in the fitness industry that's not complete, horrible horse shit.

But on this particular subject, he, you know, people were tagging me, and I watched his video, and I was like, whoa, man, you're way off, dude. Like, I need to, like, you know, I need to check this a little bit. Yeah. So that's how it's going.

Well, it's, you know, it's crazy to me that, I feel like it's so obvious, right? Because we talk about this all the time, right? I use the term that, you know, the, or the, the saying that our bodies are like adaptation machines. And it's the same thing goes applies with nutrition. Like we look at it like, okay, so we talk a lot about that when it comes to muscle adaptation

or Sal talks about tanning the skin with the sun and uses that up to you. Well, the nutrition is very similar too. You get in this routine of like eating a certain way in a certain pattern all the time. The body just becomes more and more efficient at that. And so it just makes sense that in shaking it up and incorporating fasting, intermittent fasting within your routine, the body is going to show positive things.

Now abuse that and stick your and starve the body all the time. And that's also going to have, of course, adverse effects. Right. All the benefits of fasting come from the feed afterwards. This is something that Dr. Valtoglango talks about quite a bit. He says, look, the benefits aren't during the fast. It's when you feed yourself. It's all the activation of the stem cells.

It's all the autophagy of all the cells that are older. That's what happens when you're fasting. Yeah. The insensitivity. Yeah. Then when you feed yourself for more responsive, you can assimilate food better., like you said like just this this cycling out process this filtering of old problematic cells that could could lead to cancerous things could lead to inflammation inflammation here's the thing like we've we've now connected inflammation to pretty much every chronic disease But we don't realize because what a lot of people think is that inflammation is the root cause

we don't realize, because what a lot of people think is that inflammation is the root cause. Inflammation is also a symptom. So if we go in and we attack inflammation with anti-inflammatories, with corticosteroids, with all these different things, and we're measuring inflammation as this root cause and reality, inflammation is actually a byproduct, a side effect of other things that are happening. And one of the things that fasting does exceptionally well. And when I say exceptionally well, this is one of the, this is where a lot of money is going into studying fasting, is that it really regulates the inflammatory process in the body.

On a level that we've never seen drugs be able to do with no side effects and with other, you know, health benefits. So, you know, when it comes to, I mean, look, it's a passion of ours. Let's be honest. So that's why it's struck a nerve. It's just, and you know, Adam, you're talking about variety, right?

You're talking about your body adapts and up until the agricultural revolution, which again, if you look at human civilization, modern humans on earth, the agricultural revolution happened, you know, like yesterday, that's how, that's literally how short when you compare it in time. short we can prepare in time. When you compare in time.

This was a great point that you took on him too. Yeah, and most, this is how we live for most of human civilization and our bodies evolved this way. So yes, there were definitely things that were bad before the agricultural revolution like people died of starvation and before modern medicine, people died of infection,

all that shit. So don't use the stupid strawman argument of, yeah, but cavemen, they died of tooth infection. Yeah, I modern medicine, people that have infection, all that shit. So don't use the stupid straw man argument of, yeah, but cavemen, you know, they died of tooth infection. Okay, yeah, I get that, right? But what we need to understand is we evolved in a particular environment and the way we evolved was with incredible variety. Agriculture evolution eliminated that.

Now we're growing crops, so our food is very limited. We're raising cattle, we have corn or wheat or whatever. And then that's what we eat all the time. And we do rotate crops, but it's always the same foods. Well, before that, we ate, we literally roamed and ate was around us. What was around us? So that's that included. What we found when we found it. A tremendous amount of variety. It included more times where we didn't eat humans. Yeah. For the most part, didn't eat most of the time and then ate sometimes. And we know when we introduce different foods or different macro breakdowns into our diet, we can measure and see that you're, for example, your gut flora changes.

If I'm eating keto all the time, I have a particular gut flora that that looks, that matches that. When I go and start introducing more carbohydrates and, you know, the types of food, my gut flora changes as well. And we know that variety is the name of the game when it comes the types of food. My gut flora changes as well. And we know that variety is the name of the game when it comes to when it comes to gut flora so far. Yeah, well, let's be honest, we've saw the problem that existed beforehand of scarcity, right?

Like food is in abundance. Yeah, that's not a problem. So now the problem is that it's in an abundance. And now we have to, you know, be able to regulate like when we eat and that that's really like the discipline part of it that we all have to realize like, okay, foods in such abundance, it actually leads to a problem. And so now we have to address that problem and scale back and introduce fast. Fuck it's more than a buzzer. Goddamn epidemic now.

Yeah. That's what it is. That's what's killing half the people. Having access to some of these foods all year round is abnormal for humans. You know, we brought up crop cycle, we brought up scarcity. Those are things that drove us to move

and experience new foods that, you know, relatively speaking with the diet being so uniform now, our gut floors are probably very similar, a person to person unless you're like us and we eat diverse healthy diets. If you were to take a small sample of the human population, I bet you'd find some very, very standard gut floor. What they've seen is the,

because the science still is evolving, but what they're seeing now is that the variety of gut flora generation through generation now, because you get a lot of your, so when you're born, there is some evidence now showing that because we used to think the womb was sterile, but now they're finding there's some bacteria in there as well. That's actually an interesting point you're making there because there's a huge correlation in the vaginal microbiome and the health of the baby, and now that we have so many children born

via C-section, the first exposure of the infant is to the microbiome on the hand of the baby. And now that we have so many children born via C-section, the first exposure of the infant is to the microbiome on the hand of the delivering doctor and not the vaginal bacteria of the mother. Correct. In fact, they're doing studies right now what they're doing. They're swapping. If they do a C-section, they're swapping the vaginal somehow.

And then put in the mouth of the child so that the child gives a child in her it's yeah, it's what's back. Hey man, yeah, you're sucking on her to you when you're wondering what you might as well have some of that. Yeah, wonder why you have this weird vagina finish when you're it's a little it's a easy. Yeah, that's gross. Oh, I'm sorry. But yeah, you get it from your mom from the job. You get it from breastfeeding and so you develop kind of this fingerprint, but through generations It's getting passed down passed down and we're getting this this you know less variety

Less abundance with our with our microbiome and of course you can throw in everything from antimicrobial So you know antibiotic soap. I should say to you know antibiotics and the food and all that stuff But I think to say that fasting is a gimmick is, I mean, look, fasting is included in almost every major religion. Hypocrites prescribed it. It is something that is naturally injected into old cultures. If you look at some of the oldest cultures

and the people who eat in the traditional ways, you'll notice many of them have very little to eat most of the day and then they have a larger meal at some point, either in the evening or in the late afternoon. It just naturally works that way. It's really the modern world that says, here's your big breakfast, here's your big lunch, here's your big dinner.

Oh, and make sure you snack in between. That's the gimmick. The gimmick is that. So if you call fasting a gimmick, you're either a trying to create clickbait or B or. Well, I think that's what the poor guy was trying to do. I just didn't realize he was going to walk into a bus solve because everybody tagged you on there and you just did a post on fasting yourself. So of course, you were going to come defensive when it comes to something

or offensive with him when it comes to something like that. Because I think that for the most part, you know, I think Vince puts out some pretty good information out there, especially if you compare him to our peers. There's just not a lot of people putting out good information. That being said, he's in the business of getting clicks and making sure he's getting views on his thing. And we know from our experience, one of the, someone asked me the other day, like, I don't get why your guys' YouTube channel is not. It was huge for all the free, great information and daily content you guys give.

And I said, well, I'll tell you what we suck at. We suck at doing the thing. We suck at clickbait. We suck at clickbait. We don't, and we're trying to get better at that. We need hot chicks and monster trucks. We're trying to find a way to salvage our integrity while also trying to grow the damn page,

which is actually really challenging when you have to do these things to get the click. So, I get that, and there's a part of me that, I mean, that's probably why I probably wouldn't to cut his head off over it, because he probably in his head thought, he understands the science. A lot of people are talking about this. Exactly. A lot of people are talking about this.

Exactly. A lot of people are talking about this. Popular hot right now. Yeah. A lot of people are positive, same positive things about I'm going to come out and say the opposite to ruffle some feathers and get some attention. And it's exactly what he did. He got the attention of guys like us who speak.

Actually, if you think about it, it's probably going to give him, I mean, even doing talking about it right now is going to get some attention. Well, yeah, he bamboozled us. Oh, no, it's it. And that's why you got a respect that I respect the business side and mentality that I trumped us. I think it's a very challenging thing to do. I think to try and keep great integrity in this positive. Unfortunately, people like the Dom Diavocinos, Terry Walls, the Longos, these guys like,

nobody's, they have like their views are like 30,000 views. And then right before this, we're watching some knucklehead like Bradley Martin on the TV who's got it fucking, you know, a half a million people like this. I mean, that's where we're at. That's where this industry is at right now where that's what people want to see. And it's like, fuck, man, it's as much as we want to believe it's changing. It's still got a long ways to go before the right people are being heard all the time.

It does. I mean, I wasn't angry with it. I just went on there and just let's have a conversation about it. It takes a lot to really get me heated or whatever. And intellectual conversations, that's not me being pissed off. I can count on one hand. Oh no, you can tell you're not pissed off, but you took the offense. That's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. It's not often you even see you take the offense and you and you definitely did. Actually, I can remember the last time I really

got pissed off. Yeah, I don't even know if I know if I ever told you guys this, they ever tell you guys about time someone threw a basketball at my car when my kids were in the car. What? Yeah, that's a good. Do you remember that Doug? I think I told Doug about that. Dude, I was driving home from my parents' house. I had the kids in the car. I was already pissed off because, you know, this is before I got divorced. So, you know, that's what you're waiting for.

This is what led to the divorce. Yeah, so, well not this particular, but it was one of the things. So I'm driving home when my kids in the car and there's a bunch of kids, probably 16 year old, 17 year old kids playing basketball. With one of those movable basketball hoops. You know the one you fill with water on the bottom?

Yeah. And they're playing and they see me coming and they move so I can drive by, but they're watching as we drive through. And I'm already thinking in my head like, I'm in a bad mood when the motherfucker's trying to do, because I know how 16 year old boys are. They're gonna try and act tough, right?

And they see a mom car because I'm driving, I was driving my ex-wife's car and they're thinking they're gonna find them. Was it a minivan? It's like an SUV, but kind of a girly one. Oh wow. So I'm driving through, and this motherfucker throws a basketball

at the window where my daughter's sitting. What? Yes. So it's like, so it's like boom, right? So I look back, it didn't break the window. And then you get rage. So I look back, and I see my daughter's terrified face. And there's, it's a lot of age.

What did you do? It is very difficult. It is very difficult for me to go gorilla. It's very, very hard. But when I do, that's it. There's no, I don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, I don't know if that's what's gonna happen. So boom, I look back, I see her terrified face.

Gorilla mode turned on. I fuckin' flip a bitch right there. They are all running inside. Thank God, they ran inside. I'm not joking. Yeah, you're ready to probably pound some kids face. I would have been all back. I would have plowed through them on my car.

I would have run through all these children on my car. Oh my God, dude. And mine pump would have been. That's with the mine pump bumper sticker on the car. Yeah, sure. Oh, that's the mentality. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don there had been some guy that was notorious for breaking into homes and they nobody had caught him yet. And he like would steal stuff, he'd mess like for some reason he targeted houses with kids and he would like to call the ship. Oh, right. Exactly. So we had heard about this on the news and I was just like, oh, dude,

fuck, that's crazy. And so we heard something outside, and then my kid kind of screamed downstairs, and I just like jumped out of bed, went outside, turned all my sides, like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm just like losing my shit. You know, like I'm just, it was probably like a raccoon or something. Bro, there's nothing like, like literally,

these random kids could have punched me in the face, and it wouldn't have been in the same universe It's crazy though. How I felt and I drove this primal Bro, you know, it is grillas and bears like that's like the number one That's like the number one rule in nature's like don't fuck with a mama bear No, you know, you scare my kids or you fuck with my kids It's gonna so I drove I'm driving like I hit the gas right they fucking run inside So I couldn't run in a bit over so I pull up their driveway and I'm just, like I hit the gas, right? They fucking run inside, so I couldn't run in a bit over. So I pull up their driveway, and I'm just, like I said,

I don't know what to do because I need, like someone's gonna get hurt. They all run inside, so I go and I grab their basketball hoop with the one with the face, and I fucking smash the, I don't know how I did it, and I don't know how much those things weigh, but I literally grabbed it, I picked it up overhead, and I fucking threw it on the ground. I'm like, and I yelled like boy

I'm like yeah, so so then I get in the car because they're all gone So the cool the scene the hoop is all bent right I get in the car and I started driving away and now I'm now I'm like coming back online Like okay like Sal's back right? Oh, now I gotta explain this to the kids. So now I feel like Daddy had a moment back. Dude, okay, let's just, let's tell your mother about this. Let's put on some Anya. Dude, if you, if you, this highlights the difference between my cute and my kid, but both of my kids are very different in certain respects.

And this is one of them. So now I'm driving home, and I'm already like, oh man, I gotta say something. Like that was, what I just did was horrible in front of my kids. That was'm already like, oh man, I gotta say something. Like that was what I just did was horrible in front of my kids. That was so bad. I'm feeling like I gotta say something, right? But I'm still kind of heated, right?

So I can't talk. So my son goes, he goes, yeah, he goes, that wasn't a very good idea what you did. And so I'm immediately, oh no. He did just call you right now. He called me out and he was probably, let's see, he was probably eight or nine, right? So he's like, that wasn't a very good idea,

what you did. Very calm, he said to me. And so I'm already, I'm trying, like I'm already, he's still heated, right? So I'm like, listen, I said, they threw the ball at the window next year's sister, I felt like she was being threatened and that's why I went over there.

And I lost my temper because I felt very protective. And he goes, I can see that. And he goes, but you do realize that turning around, pulling up the driveway, opening the door, actually put us in more danger. He said that to you? Yes, that's fucking smart. Yeah, he's spelled it out. He goes, that actually put us in more danger by pulling up there.

Oh my god. He goes, I would have been safer if you kept driving. So I'm just like, they just hit you the gut. Well, I mean, right away, I'm like, I told him, I said, you're right. I said, I apologize. You are absolutely right. I made a stupid decision.

I should have never done that. And then we still, we're still driving in like a minute later, my daughter. She's the one that got scared, right? She's in the back, and she goes, but, Bob, that was so awesome. Yeah. And that's what matters.

And she started telling her, you're her hero forever. She told everybody that I could, hey, guess what my dad did, he smashed the basketball boot. I'm like don't tell anybody. He King Kong, the shit out of that. So that's the last time I really lost my temper. Oh shit. Anyway, that's a good story man.

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Okay, so we have Guest I don't know what do you guest host guest producer? Yes, we give them a buzzer. Danny. We're gonna promote him already So we brought our boy Danny back down here again. We thought he's gonna be easy to hang out with us on this Q&A Yeah, you might have heard him talk a little bit earlier You're gonna read the questions to us now. Yeah, I'm gonna double as as the voice of reason and Q&A reader. Yeah, Doug is sideline right now Yeah, yeah read us the question and the one Eagle Jr. Art. I like there you go First question is from comic fitness and he asks,

if working a muscle group three times a week is optimal, how many trigger sessions should I perform and how much volume is too much volume? Okay, so before I, before we answer this, let's explain what a trigger session is to the people who may not be familiar. A trigger session is a concept that we came up with or invented and kind of branded with our maps and a ballad program. And what a trigger session is, it's very low intensity movement that you do frequently. It's what I would call penalty free volume. There you go. That's a great. I like that someone write that down Don't write it down. I that is Brett Contreras' term. Oh, it is still exactly what it is So so basically you have your heavy workouts that you do you know for your full body

Let's say three days a week on the days in between you do these kind of pumping You know small mini workouts, if you will, low intensity. That's very low intensity. And they maintain the anabolic signal, because one thing that we found in many studies have confirmed now is that when you hit a muscle, that muscle building signal kind of peaks at about 24 to 48 hours and then starts to really drop down at about 72 hours. So if you're working your muscle groups once a week, twice a week, three days a week, you're getting this peak, but then this drop and a trigger sessions goal is to keep that anabolic muscle building signal up. And you got to understand that that muscle building

signal can be very separate from recovering from the recovery signal. So just because your sore doesn't mean you're building, you may be just recovering. And what a trigger session aims to do is keep that muscle building signal going on. And we recommend in Maps, Antibolic, three, eight minute trigger sessions a day on your quote unquote, off days. I want you.

So you just cleared up and let everybody know that doesn't know what a trigger session is. I think it's important to clear up even the question because we don't just necessarily say that working in muscle group three times a week is optimal, most optimal because that would vary per person, that would vary. I think even more specifically that it varies per muscle group. So, you know, as a trainer and somebody who's very familiar with all of the max maps programs, I think the thing that makes them so unique is that in those three times a week, I know this person's referring to the maps program,

the three time a week movements, the compound foundational movements, are designed to ensure that you're consistently having a muscle building signal across the board so that nothing goes untouched. But in regards to specific, like trigger sessions, focus sessions, or accessory work, as many people like to call it, I think it's very dependent on the muscle. And what I mean by that is, for example,

I can train biceps, triceps, reed elts, with a low volume, low intensity, almost every day, and never experience doms, or any type of fatigue. Those muscles because of their small size and they're more highly vascularized often, seem to recover much more quickly. I'll take it even further than that. It may not necessarily be muscles,

it may just be movements that you're noticing, because a barbell squat, I can hit my quads all the time. Right. With the highest leg extensions or leg curls, you can do those almost daily. It's the movement. Yeah, it was muscle damage as well. If you were to put the tonnage on the bar

and go through a full range of motion, barbell squat with 225, 10 times, it's, you know, for talking tonnage, that's 2250 pounds of tonnage, versus a leg extension machine that's only going to utilize the quads and not necessarily their fullest range of motion. So the muscle damage component of hypertrophy isn't going to be as strong with those movements. Yeah, I could see that.

Now, for trigger sessions, when you guys were doing them, how many days a week did you guys find work best for you guys? Oh, I was doing them at least three times a week because I was already used to a lot of volume from like bodybuilding type training and stuff. So for me, it was, I felt it almost necessary to, if I was going to maintain the physique that I had built off all the volume I did, I wanted to keep that up. So yeah, I know I was doing it three times a week, but I think there's a huge genetic. So the point that I wanted to make was, because we could sit here and talk semantics all day long, the point I wanted to make was that it's designed because we always try, we try

and look at it as a whole, right? Between all of us, we've trained thousands of people. And you know, that's how we put together like the formula. Like I just want to be clear on that. Like it's, it was designed because we know that a majority of people will benefit most That's how we put together the formula. I just want to be clear on that. It was designed because we know that a majority of people will benefit most from training this way. I mean a large majority of you.

There's always going to be exceptions. There's always going to be that genetic freak. There's going to be that guy who could squat fucking for five days a week, no problem, and see great results from that. Really I think the real answer to this is, and this is something I think that all of us, even in this room, are always flirting with this. Like, I know there's a lot of times where I push my volume up because I want to see if I can do that before I start to see detriment, right? So you've got to kind of learn to feel

that out. I mean, but you always want to flex there. Yeah, but we always tell people to start minimal. And, you know, what you want to do there. Yeah, but we always tell people to start minimal. And you know, you want to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. So start with the volume, start with the trigger sessions on the lower end and then progressively move it up and learn to listen to your body and the signals. Absolutely. You're talking about the minimum effective dose required to elicit the stimulus versus the maximum recoverable volume, which is on the back end of that, which is, what do you do once you've done too much?

What do you do? You continue to add volume? You're going to miss out on everything that came before that. You're playing catch up. You start to take away. Now you're dealing with your body trying to catch up and recover. And I'll tell you what, here's the name of the game with the trigger session. The name of the game is frequency. It's not intensity. Absolutely. So if you're going to utilize trigger sessions for what they're

designed for and what they work best for, it's not to create muscle damage. It is to consistently and continually send this small signal. The muscle damage workout days are the days that you do your foundational, your heavy workout. So, how many trigger sessions is optimal? Well, if you modify the intensity enough, you could probably do 10 trigger sessions in a day and get great results, but the intensity would have to be very, very, very low. And that's the thing you want to focus on.

Trigger sessions are. We'll see that. That's what makes the math program so excellent, in my opinion, is that they take into account the multiple components that drive muscle growth. It's not just murdering my muscle, there's metabolic stress.

They can be elicited by even the slightest pumping. Like, you know what I mean by that. Like a little bit of a banded bicep curl versus a, you know. Danny, getting dirty. You know, that stuff's gonna work extremely well and it's penalty-free volume. You'll constantly send the signal and you'll be eliciting hypertrophy

in a different mechanism. Yeah, I was gonna say, just thinking of getting a new job, a new labor intensive job. Your body has to now adapt to this new stimulus. So let's say, Sal's mentioning 10 trigger sessions a day. Well, what if I have a new job now that's like more labor

intensive, that I'm always moving and getting more demand and it's slightly more intense, but it's not like overwhelmingly intense for my body to produce these movements. So it's just like basically setting a new standard like my body, I'm getting better at movement in general and I'm overcoming the stimulus. So it's all a matter of increasing the dose

and feeling how your body's responds. Now, I've used this example before. If I had a new client, brand new beginner client, okay, deconditioned. So someone comes in, they haven't worked out in 10 years or maybe never, they have a desk job. I could easily, easily overdo it with one super ridiculously intense set of squats.

I could easily put them into a point where they meet, they're going to hurt themselves or really, you know, be detrimental to their health and their body. On the flip side, I could train them every single fucking day if I monitor the intensity properly. I could literally train them daily. I could train them twice a day, the most de-conditioned person in the day if I monitor the intensity properly. I could literally train them daily. I could train them twice a day, the most deconditioned person in the world, if I manipulate intensity.

The body has this incredible ability to work with frequency, but intensity, you have to understand, intensity is the one you gotta pay attention to because in terms of what's gonna hurt you, because intensity, I could be the most fit person in the world, but my max intensity is always gonna be my max intensity. Do you see what I'm saying? I can always take that to a level where I can hurt myself

with frequency, I can play with all kinds of variables and I can work out all the time and look, I'll tell you what, you're talking about labor-intensive jobs. There's people that are construction workers or whatever that work with their hands and hammer all day long and do for years, they do this stuff and it doesn't phase them at all. It's not a problem. It's the intensity that ends up becoming easy for them and they just do it all day long.

I'll tell you what the problem is, is we have this, and I don't know where it started, but I even remember being a trainer and thinking this way, it's like like I measured my workout based off of how sore I was. And this is a fucking epidemic. And so many people look at their workouts and go like, oh, it was awesome, because I'm fucking crippled or oh my god, it was an awesome work. I was so sore now the way I think I think God dammit. I just wait up. I did way more than I needed to get my maximum results. Soren is is in my opinion correlated with recovery.

I know you guys can probably speak to this, but when you just have a session where you just crush it and the next day You're not soaring. You're like, man, I don't know why it wasn't sore. I was a really difficult workout I did new things all this, but then one day Maybe you'll do a workout that you might identify as oh, it's kind of weak. I didn't bring my a game You don't maybe eat enough. You didn't get good sleep. You wake up the next day and you're, oh, I am so sore. What it, it's more about recovery. So in my opinion, soreness, that,

here's the thing with soreness. It's, it's kind of interesting. Soreness does strongly relate to damage, but not always. Number one, number two, is it, is it a good thing or a bad thing? It could be either. It could be good or bad or nothing. What, is it a good thing or a bad thing? It could be either. It could be good or bad or nothing. What it is is a terrible indicator of a good workout.

100%. That's what it is. That's what we do know. What we do know is it's a terrible indicator. So that's what everybody needs to get through their head. It's, we can go all day long in debate what it's connected to or what it's more from. At the end of the fucking day,

it is a horrible indicator of a good workout. And if anything, it tells me that I could have done a lot less and I could have achieved the same amount of results. So that's why I'm, that's all I want to get across with these people is when you are training and if you're just, and you're trying to figure out the amount of volume you want to do trigger sessions or, or foundational workouts, I'm going to start as little as I possibly can and I'm going to build on that. And I'm going to build slowly.

I'm not going to go one trigger session a day on my off days. And then I'm going to go two trigger sessions a day on my off days. Then I'm going to go three and I'm going to slowly progress like that. Maybe I stay in that arena for one to two weeks and then I go up and then one to two weeks and then I go up again and for one to two weeks and then I go up and then one to two weeks and then I go up again and then one to two weeks and then I go up again. But I'm going to be listening and feeling my body out and I want to slowly progress up there, not like try and figure out what's the magic formula. You know, it's funny too. Trigger sessions, when done properly, will facilitate recovery.

So if you're doing trigger sessions, right, it not only will it not hamper your recovery from your heavy workout. It'll actually, it'll actually accelerate. Well, I think that's how you have to think of them. I mean, that's the past use of trigger sessions. Definitely. Next question, Dan. Needs iron asks, why do people deflate after stopping steroid use? And what's with women using anivore? Okay, so two things when you talk about here when you're on steroids, when you take anabolic steroids, depending on which types you take, initial gains come from two things. The strength gains come from working with your CNS. So people can take steroids and right away they'll

notice a strength gain, especially if they're the oral variety. That doesn't mean you built more muscle, just means your CNS is probably working a little bit better in that particular capacity. Which anybody who's taking it knows what that feels like, where you literally took your shot or your pill the day before and then all of a sudden you're lifting 10 pounds heavier on your bench press and you notice that every time you get back to your bench. Now number two, and by the way the faster acting ones will display that even better. So there's some of your evidence. And number two, the initial weight gain that you get from steroids is not muscle.

It is water retention. Yeah, it's water retention. So I remember God back in the day, people would take some of the classics like Diana Ball or Anna Draw, especially, which are these oral. Good old classics. Yeah, these oral activate, you know, active, very, very harsh on the liver steroids,

but they have this incredible ability to make you retain water to the point where someone would take anna draw and would notice they'd gain like a pound a day almost. It wasn't muscle, it was water. So the immediate, if you stop taking steroids, the first thing you'll notice is water loss So oh my god, I stopped taking deball and I lost 10 pounds in a week. Well, I didn't lose muscle yet

You probably lost a lot of water But the second reason why people deflate after top stopping steroids is the reason why you built all that muscle on the steroids Is because you were sending this loud hormonal signal telling you to build muscle. Now that you've stopped that loud signal, it's no longer there, your body adapts in the other direction. Not to mention, you've probably have depressed hormones because when you're on antibiotics, there's a, you know, the HTPA access, which is, you know, the hypothalamus,

the pituitary gland, and all these areas of the body that can pick up on an ax outside hormones that will reduce their own production of hormones. So now your body's producing less. Significantly less, what we're done. Yeah, when you start to incorporate, especially with the Androgenic retmos, when I'm speaking about an Androgen,

I'm talking about testosterone, but the anabolic compounds aren't as heavy on the HPTA as when you start to use testosterone, which is usually going to be the base of whatever you decide to do. And a normal man's going to find that he's between 300 to 900 nanograms per desolator of blood of free testosterone, not free testosterone serum testosterone. Now when you start to utilize these Androgens and you spike your serum testosterone levels five to tenfold, you're going to have much more increased muscle protein synthesis. Of course, the protein you ingest, whether it's in what we would identify as the effective

to healthy range or even in the overkill range, is going to have a much higher likelihood of being turned into muscle tissue. When you stop taking that, you could expect your natural range, whatever you were probably at before, to be lower in that 300 to 900 range. Probably. And you'll start to atrophy very quickly. Probably quickly. Zero, people don't really, and you made it, you actually, uh, if you're lucky enough to

get that thing going again. There's actually, you actually, uh, just, there's actually a common myth that the more angrigenic hormone is, the more it shuts you down. This is true if you're using small doses, the doses of anabolic set people use to build muscle, they all shut you the fuck down. I don't care if you use wind straw, you can use whatever you want, you take effective dose, your testosterone levels are going to shit. They're going to rise. They're gonna rise.

And then the last thing I'd like to add is, let's say you're on a cycle and you've been using these for a while, you've just, you've learned how to train your body in this new state, you go off of them, you're work out sucks. Depressing. Yeah.

The hardest thing about coming off of a steroids stack is the mental component, hands down. The only thing that I've had the hardest time with is you know the week before that you know you were this strong and the week before that you were even stronger. It's like you literally watched just like you watched yourself increase strength like every week and that was super exciting and motivating and made you work harder, train harder and more consistent and more dialed. The same thing happens when you go the other direction. So when you come off of it,

which is also why there's, you know, you mightn't pums talk a little bit about steroids. We don't, we haven't addressed it that often, right? So I think it's good for us to talk a little bit about it. And I think that this is the, this is the ugly side of it that no one really shares is the mental game that you have to go through after you come off, unless you decide

you're gonna be on it for the rest of your life too. So it's like, it's one of those things that once you dabble in it, okay, either one, you may be committing yourself to going down this road for the rest of your life or two, be ready for when you come off, you're gonna go through this kind of depression that you may have never experienced before,

and a lot of people can't handle that. And that's where they get addicted to it or that's where, because they can't handle being looking smaller, because they have attached themselves so much to their look and their aesthetics, and they were at the peak in the height of it when they were at the peak in the height of their testosterone dosage, and now they have to lower it or get off of it,

and then it's just it's a tough testosterone is the hormone that we associate with the male characteristic of dominance and a lot of the things that you would see and If you were to start to use steroids that It would not like you're saying at him It would not be pretty to lose muscle and essentially be dropping Rapidly in the hormone responsible that for making you feel like a man all at one time. That would be very destructive to the psyche.

And it would probably cause even worse body image issues than before. Well, you talk to, I mean, okay, here you are, you're a guy, right? You're taking steroids, you're building all this muscle. You feel great, you're horny, you feel aggressive, you feel alpha, now you go off, you're losing muscle, your workout doesn't work anymore.

All that extra protein makes you shit yourself now. You feel like, you feel in horrible, gains in the gym are just quickly disappearing. You can't fuck your girlfriend because you can't get a boner because that's soft titties. You got, you might, you start to get side effects. This is usually, this is when side effects sometimes are really kick in hard.

Now you can see why there's a psychological. Well, and I think what we spoke out a long time ago about this and why we're so anti people going this route is because what ends up happening, and this is what's most common with like my peers and people that I know that utilize testosterone or steroids or any PETs for that matter, that they now connect that with the best shape of their lives. And so, and that that's what got them there.

And it's unfortunate because they're programming a shit, they're diets all over the place. But when they take this, this testosterone, it does, because you can get, when we say this all the time, when you're on that shit, you can get away with a poor diet. You can get away with poor sleep You can get away with shitty programming because you've got this crazy signal that your body is sending to build muscle all the time Then you take it away then it deflates because you know why because you're programming sucks because your nutrition sucks because your stress levels Because all the other things you don't know how to address So what I always tell people like a night. Of course I get plenty of people that want me to help them with that is your nutrition sucks because you're stress levels, because all the other things you don't know how to address. So when I always tell people, like,

and of course I get plenty of people that want me to help them with that, or, you know, what would you do? And I always tell people, listen, if you're for sure this is the direction you wanna go, and you're gonna get into competing, and you see the benefits to you of taking it, and you're gonna do it no matter what, then do yourself a favor, and learn how to dial

all those other things in first to where you can get yourself to the leadest level of fitness and conditioning before you try and take something like that on top of it. Otherwise, you're going to connect that physique or those results that you got through the testosterone and that's the only way to say. And the same thing goes for these girls with bikini and anaports. That's the second part of the question. Yeah, it's the second part of the question and it's the same thing too. I mean, I got this all the time when I would get girls so that we're competing and they would tell me that their last coach told them, oh, to take this, this

and this and I'm just like, well, have you done a show without taking that? And they're like, no, that was just like the protocol. I'm like, you got to be fucking kidding me. Like, we don't even know how your body responds naturally. Like, let's figure that out. First, let's see what happens when we actually dial you in, all natural, all normal. And then if you come to me and you're like,

Adam, I really want to do this. And then of course, I'll show you how you would do that. But I don't think that you need to definitely do that before you figure out how to get in shape with all it. Steroids and women is, you know, look to each their own, but man, however, whatever the effects are on a man when he takes steroids, you can multiply that time's, you know, tenfold when a woman takes anabolic. I mean, she's literally taking male hormone. In fact, if you're a woman and you wanted a sex change, that's what they would do is they would put you on steroids.

was they would put you on steroids. And of our is just a milder or lower dose version. And so they try to say, oh, this one's good for women. Now, you're still taking nail hormone. And you're still gonna experience side effects, some of which are irreversible. You're a woman and you go on steroids long enough. You're clitoris grows and believe me, if you don't believe me, you can Google female body do

the torus. I went down there one time. What's what? Oh yeah, they look like pinkies like it's like a small did is weird. You know, you get acne, lose facial hair. I know women who went on anabolic low doses for a while and now they grow facial hair. And guess what, doesn't go away. Now they have to deal with that, you know, shit all the time. So I wouldn't I wouldn't do it. I mean,

if you're highly competitive and that's how you make your living, like I get it, if you have a person, I don't know. I don't see the bad guy. I don't like telling people do or don't, but I just tell people to do yourself a favor and at least do these other things first. Show yourself that because that really, like you be a most people, I surprised them what they accomplish without that. Like that's most people have this perception that because of course, my peers, including myself and everybody on these magazines or anything, they take all this, all these exogenous hormones.

And so they think that, oh, that's what you have to do if you want to see this elite level physique. And it's like either this or that, and it's not like that. There's a way for you to get yourself in the best shape of your life, discipline yourself nutritionally, program wise, first, then assess yourself. Then if you feel like you want that because you want more than what you have,

or then that's to each their own. I'm not gonna tell somebody they should or shouldn't do something, but I definitely think that it's in your best interest to at least figure out how to do that piece. If not, you're setting yourself up for some psychological shit later on, for sure. Excellent. Next question.

500 days of fuck you, as. You said about where you're at. What are the top three things people do every day that promote poor muscle recruitment pattern? This is a good question. Yeah, it's a good question, but it's an easy answer. It is. Whatever they do the most, that's it. I mean, if you sit down a lot, that's what you're doing to, that's the kind of recruitment

pattern that you're approaching. Well, and he says that because nobody is standing there in the anatomical position all day. That's how he can get away with that, saying that, but that's, that's pretty much sitting, right? Sitting in, in my opinion, definitely number one. Yeah. At least when you're standing, bro, if you stood all day long, at least you're having somewhat to activate your core and there's some sort of engage, muscular engagement where

you could be slouching in a, if you're sitting in a chair, I mean, it depends to how you stand. Like, like, for example, I have, oh yeah, no, I have family members that work in banking and, uh, and a lot of my cousins, younger cousins started in banking and they would be a teller, right? And lot of my cousins, younger cousins started in banking and they would be a teller, right? And some of my girls, and so they were these heels and they're standing behind the desk and heels all day long.

And they're really promoting a horrible recruitment pattern in their foot, ankle, all the way up to their hip, low back. And then it travels up the, you know, travels up the chain. Yeah, I mean, look at the shoes. Like look at the different types of shoes we all wear. And like how much we're limiting the musculature there and the bottom of your feet from even being activated. So eye opening when you really kind of peel back

and you establish new patterns where you're walking around more barefoot and you're opening your toes apart. And you know, you just start to like notice all these little nuance things that impact your life so much because you do them so often. So it is pretty much what you do the most. You have to really evaluate that and see how it's either putting you in a detrimental position or it's optimized. Encounter it, encounter it.

And you know, it's funny for people who don't who are like, what are they talking about? There's extreme versions. In medieval Japan, foot binding was very, very popular, very common. Women, when they were young, they would start binding their feet because it was in fashion,

I have these tiny, tiny, tiny little feet. I said it was tiny. Little feet. It was a China. It was China. I knew that's okay. It wasn't China helping you. Anyhow, they would bind their feet

because they felt like it was attractive. And so these girls, they would bind their feet with cloth and they would do this through most of their life. And we actually have, you can Google these and look up pictures of what these women's feet look like when they would take off the binding. And the foot, it molded and shaped. And it looks like a hoof almost.

Like the toes are tucked underneath. And so that they can fit into these tiny shoes. but it molded and shaped and it looks like a hoof almost, like the toes are tucked underneath and so that they can fit into these tiny shoes. Super sexy. Your body will suck on her. Your body literally. Stop it. That's gross.

You can't do a foot job with those feet. You know I am with feet already. All right. Come on, guys. I don't need that visual. I'm gonna eat later. Your body will mold to what you do. Literally will mold to what it does.

I mean, people who develop a humpback. That's from postural over time. That's in extreme analogy. And just to give people an example. Yeah, that's an extreme analogy. I mean, we're so interior driven that, you know, some simple things like, you know, so Salas talks about, or was talking about repaturning, right?

It would be doing the opposing. So that's why too, a good sign of a really good trainer too is more than likely. He spends a lot of time in the posterior chain, right? You're doing a lot of rowing, you're doing a lot of, you know, deadlifting type movements because we know that, you know, 99% of the population is all anterior driven.

Yeah, so anterior driven that their body is coming, is all... Interior driven. Yes, so anterior driven that their body is closing. It's closing, it's rounding forward, just to envision that 80 year old guy that's holding a walker and that's what we're all heading that direction. And some more extreme than others and some at a slower pace, some at a faster pace. But the bottom line is we're all heading that way because everything we do is in front of us, right? Everything we drive, we ride, we do text, we do everything in front of us all day long that we are just over time shaping. So the best thing that we can do is to work all those opposing muscles.

That's what's gonna try and help the repaternary, help rebalance the body out and to be honest, you can't do enough of it. I mean, because you're, you're gonna be, you're nothing to say, you're gonna be sitting, you're gonna be on the computer, you're gonna have to text, you're gonna have to drive, so you can't eliminate those from, from your day. But now you just become more aware of it. Like, I'll give you something right now that it's happened to me. So my hips, I start to get, like, pain in my hips, when I drive, especially if I drive for like an hour or longer.

And it took me a while, it took me until we hung out with Brink before I could figure out exactly where the disconnect was and it was the internal external rotation of my right hip. And you could tell when we started to do different movements and we were going through some of our prime stuff and creating our next program. And all of a sudden, like this light bulb went off and I went, oh my God, I just need to prime my body before I sit down in the car for that long.

And sure, shit, I go through some of these movements that are setting me up with good patterns before I sit in this position that's gonna create more bad patterns, at least that nullifies it from me getting the actual pain because it was so bad. I'm so glad you brought that up because it's funny. Of all the programs that we have, Prime gets the most,

I guess I would say critical acclaim from people who are professionals in the industry. And you know, it's interesting. I thought about this the other day and you really reminded me right now, Adam, when you're priming your body, what you're doing is you're kind of, it's almost like you're entered a program

and you said, this is what your pattern's gonna look like. And if you set the right program up, you really save yourself. You're like, co-did it. You taught it what to do. Exactly. And that's what priming is. And does that have an impact on pain, muscle gain,

performance, fat loss, fuck, huge, huge, huge, huge, benefit. Oh, it was a night. It was, I mean, I'm talking like the type of pain that I was starting to get in my hip, especially I know too when I've been heavy loading, right? Like in our program, like if I'm going through phase one, like because if you guys, and I know too when I've been heavy loading right like in our program, like if I'm going through phase one, like because if you guys, and I know there's a lot of people that should be able to relate to this, you know when you're in, I say phase one,

that means we're heavy lifting, right? So I'm doing one to five repetitions. So much, much heavier load is on my back or I'm pulling and it's crazy whenever I go through that part, all the dysfunction that I have is just like lights up. Like you can just see the imbalances are multiplied by 10 when I'm heavy lifting. This is why some people are scared of it

because they're like, I don't wanna hurt myself. Well, I'm not hurting myself, but what I am doing is I'm being able to point out these dysfunctions that I have, and I have also have that with my right scapula, or the right side of my scapula. I have a hard time with retraction on that side, and it's not like the average eye would look at it

and wouldn't even be able to tell, but it's enough that when I pull really, really heavy weight, I notice it, I notice my body not firing, then I notice small areas that I have pain. My hips are the same thing too, and it's my right side, I have this slight pronation in my ankle, that little bit now has a difference on how I externally rotate my feet. And because that because of that, I had this poor recruitment pattern because of that poor recruitment pattern when I sit in a seat longer than 30 minutes, all of a sudden I get this pain.

But when I go and I prime my body before I go sit in that car, oh, it's not it's gone. 100% gone, no problem whatsoever. But I have to put that work in because what am I doing? I'm still creating these bad patterns all the time because it's part of my life. So, you know, your goal is to just be trying to combat that as much as possible. You can never do too much. Next question, sir. Crazy JRO asks, why are soy products bad? Oh, what a loaded question. He's crazy. This is very, very good question. So first off, if you study,

if you look at longevity studies, okay, and you look at cultures where people live the longest, you'll find that many Asian cultures have some of the best longevity in the world. Okinawa, for example, has an incredible rate of people who live to 100 in the blue zone. Yeah, it's one of the blue zones. So they have a lot of centarians. And you'll find in general, again, many of these Asian countries have better or longer lifespan and less rated disease than Western societies. And much of that is attributed to their diet. And many of them eat

lots of soy products. But on the other side, now we're hearing that soy has got some bad potential, some bad qualities. Soy has been connected to estrogen sensitive type cancers, like breast cancer, maybe even, you know, they contain nutrients that can cause issues with your thyroid. So I believe they're called goy trins. I hope I'm pronouncing it right. These are things that if you consume a lot of them, they can, you can get a goiter, which is where your thyroid enlarges and stops producing lots of thyroid and it can cause inflammation. And these are all studies that are consistent.

Now, what's the deal, right? On one hand, we have people who are living a long time, meaning lots of soil. On the other hand, we've got all these studies showing that soil is bad for you. Well, the difference is the soil, okay? The soil that the Asian cultures eat is not the same nor is it prepared the same as the soy that we eat here in America.

Ars is genetically modified. Well, besides that, we're going to get there is they eat fermented soy. Most of the soy products that you'll eat in these Asian cultures, especially the older, you know, these Asian societies that eat the older way. Because obviously if you go to Okinawa, Japan, or whatever, you'll find now lots of Western diet eating, but if you go and you look at the older people and how they eat a very traditional diet, it's lots of fermented soy products,

which the fermentation process eliminates many of the anti-nutrients that are found in soy, it changes the way that phytoestrogens react to the body, of course, fermentation increases or adds beneficial bacteria. The soy that we hear is highly processed. It's probably coming from super highly processed, Toi Tofu, American style. It's not fermented.

Very few people eat Tofu, eat fermented Tofu. They eat the regular, you know, unfermented Tofu. Or they just shit ton of soy in vegan products, like a veggie burger or, you know, fake ribs and it's all soy, super highly prime. You look at the back of the package on that and it's like a shit ton of product of ingredients

and the soy in there is so adulterated that it doesn't really even count anymore. Not to mention soy is one of the major crops in America. You can put it, you know, soy wheat and corn. That's it. That's it, like everything. It's in everything. It's in everything.

They add it in there as a thickener, as a, you know, as an ingredient. We're literally oversaturated. We're oversaturated with bad, unfermented process to fuck soy. Yeah, that version. And then on top of it, soy is, along with corn, the most modified crop in modern societies. And I mean genetically modified and sprayed to fuck with glyphosate, the herbicides.

And that's the thing you got to watch out for now. Now they're connecting glyphosates to fundamental alterations in your microbiome. So that's happening. Glyphosates themselves have been named a highly, that's highly likely a potential carcinogen. This is by the World Health Organization. So now you're eating all this soy and all these products that you're not even, you don't even know soy's in it, but it's in there, especially if it's in a box or package.

You're probably getting exposed to daily super low doses, but daily doses of glyphosate residues. You multiply this over the 10, 15, 20, 30 years, and you get now higher rates of cancers and issues with your gut and all kinds of different products. So soy products in America, I'd avoid them completely. If you eat lots of fermented soy and you eat it's a natural non-JMO soy, lots of benefit. But they've even connected to healthier prostate and other things in mind. Where do you even find fermented soy?

I've never seen whole foods will have it. Yeah, you find fermented tofu know, it'll label it though Yeah, I don't even know if it's is it called tofu is there something else when it's fermented? I'm not a hundred percent Not toe which is a There you go. That's the fermented being Lots of studies connected Unfermented soy to malnutrition digestive stress. I'm reading off a list here by the way of things that wrote down Immune system breakdown, cognitive decline,

reproductive disorders. Here's one, you feed your kids, shit tons of soy, especially the processed, unfermented soy. There is some loose connection, and there's more and more science coming out that's actually supporting this, that you can potentially send your daughters into early puberty. So, they could get their periods earlier and developing breast tissue earlier

because of the phytoestrogens. And B, boys are getting undeveloped gonads, so your testicles are not growing as much. They're getting less developed penises. These are, of course, all hormone sensitive tissues. And maybe higher instances of psychological type disorders. So I definitely say, like with all super highly processed products, just I would avoid. I would avoid them and stay away from them. And if you take a protein powder and it's soy,

I would go with the most natural based one, or if your vegan go hemp, hemp is a good, you know, vegetable protein. He's still gonna be pro. This is the bone that I always had to pick with the high and mighty vegans that like get so like, uppity about the way they eat.

And I find it so comical because, let's, I mean, we just talked about Rhonda Pagic recently and like Terry Walls and the amount of vegetables that we should be eating. So, I mean, we definitely, that's, and I think that's the best benefit of, of vegan diet is that it forces you to eat a ridiculous amount of veggies in comparison. So the real benefits are coming from that. You cutting out meat and then training it in for all these soy products. Yeah. Yeah. You're really you're seriously like Robin Peter to pay. Yeah, it's funny how that works on both sides. Exactly, right? You're Robin Peter to

pay for. You need enough, you know, vegetables, meanwhile, you know, in the opposite end, you're going to end up with shitty soy versions of meat. And so the real takeaway is you should be eating whole foods. Whole foods, and if you are, we're gonna get to meats, you're going for grass fed, organic type stuff, and then you're vegetables, the same thing, and if you're gonna be vegan, you shouldn't be eating all the soy products. Here's a great, this is just,

it's soy is my favorite example of how we need to look deeper. So people who make soy products, is my favorite example of how we need to look deeper, right? So people who make soy products, American producers or Western producers of soy products, these highly processed products that we're talking about, they will say things like, increased soy consumption is shown to reduce heart disease, reduce prostate cancer risk. It's better for longevity, though,

they'll quote these studies, which are true, they are accurate, but they're lumping on their they're lumping fermented natural soy with This other highly processed soy products these studies done that show all these population studies that show Benefits of soy are doing it on the old school Fermented soy products. They're not doing them on they They're not taking people in a lab and saying, here's some highly processed GMO, unfermented soy. Let's take this and let's look at your health. That's not what's happening. So they're lumping it all together and they're saying, oh, so is good for you. And they actually did this in the late 90s. They pushed this very,

very heavily in soy consumption, went through the fucking roof. One of the worst things that I see heavily and soy consumption went through the fucking roof. One of the worst things that I see that I'm like, whoo, don't do this is give your baby soy based formula. I mean, some people, and this is unsubstantiated, but there are people in the industry that I respect that will make this statement. They'll say something like feeding your kid, soy products is the equivalent of giving them

like a piece of a birth control pill every day because of the phytoestrogens that they're being exposed to. And by the way, phytoestrogens are chemicals that are found in plants that have some type of an affinity for estrogen receptors. In other words, they will interact with the estrogen receptor in your body in some way. And when any time you have something that attaches to a receptor, even if it's very weak,

it causes that receptor to express itself, even in a very, very small way, but it will cause some kind of an action to that particular or block the action, I should say, of that receptor. So phytoestrogens can either a block the estrogen receptor, so estrogen can't attach to it, but we know that's not happening. What we actually see that's happening is that it's actually activating it a little bit. So over time, it's like you have extra estrogen in your body. So I don't feed my kids soy products at all. And if I do, I'd go definitely the fermented route.

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