Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 460: Building Muscle While Losing Fat, Importance of Heart Rate Zone & Overcoming Obstacles

Episode Date: February 22, 2017

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Send me an angel Send me an angel How do you not how do you not just get so fired up when you hear that? That's that's so not a fired up song. Are you kidding me? Hold on a second. It's it's in me an angel bro. It's a little fucking squad It's in it's in my playlists to get me going. I think cuz you associate the same attachment to it No, you've associated I do that's it. I do connected it to I do a Movie that you watched as a child that really impacted you because I at that point in my life

I was almost certain I was gonna be a professional BMX or there you go That's what I thought I don't know if you're rad. I don't even know that so I've never seen the movie right gonna be a pro BMX Or so, so I've never seen the movie and this is I don't even know what it was. So I've never seen the movie, right? It's gonna be a pro, BMX or something. So I've never seen the movie, and this is, I don't know if you guys have ever- Right, green and white bike. I don't know if you guys have ever encountered

this situation, but there's a movie that you're very fond of when you're a kid, and you're just like, that is really a good fucking movie. It's amazing. I had great connection to it when I was a kid. You don't watch it for now. You watch it as an adult, and you're like, wow, that was shit. Yeah

Yeah, so I've never seen the movie rad Yeah, you guys talk about some I'm sure I watch the trailer so this is different trailer alone is Horrible no, it's not it's fucking Horrible that is so not true that horrible. How can you say that? How can you say that it's not true? I thought Katrina brought this up last night We literally just talking about this last night. It's who someone posted on the forum right was that you who say that? How can you say that? It's not true. I told Katrina brought this up last night We literally just talking about this last night. It's who someone posted on the forum right was that you who did that? I did okay, so you put it You so you posted on the forum. I was showing Katrina. I named it something and she read it all and she goes hey

She said the exact same thing that you said right now. She goes well, how come you feel that way about this movie? I feel like there's a ton of movies that I watched a billion times over when I was younger than I watch them as an adult. She goes, but I watch when you watch that and I can see it in your eyes. You are genuinely into the movie still. And you really enjoy it. And I says, I'll let us see how to like you sit down the chair like it's right. It's right on par with like the very first cry to kid. Well, let me let me let me let me make this let me make this very clear for me Crack it was the stupidest thing ever watching it. This is why rad is different This is why rad is different for me rad is the movie of all movies that I've watched the most because it was the movie I don't remember what year came out, but I had to been somewhere between five and ten years old when it first

So you were real young yes, and And remember, I know you guys know, you have kids this young. Your kid always has that there was a movie, right? That they had during five to 10 years old, growing up, well, Star Wars is one of the first guys. That they watched over and over and over and over again. So, Rad was that movie. Like every time my mom went to the local Flamingo video

right down the street, I would tell her, mom, bring me back, Rad, mom, bring me back, Rad. Did a Mingo video? Flamingo video. down the street. I would tell her, mom, bring me back rad, mom, bring me back rad. Did a Mingo video, Flamingo video. They had a back room, huh? Yeah, they did, actually. They did. And that's funny.

Was it beads that came down or was it, you know what I mean? Like to separate it. You know, I don't, the beads of shame. I actually think it was even worse than, I think it was like a bed sheet. I think they just,

they tacked up like a bed sheet of this. Some guy that's bald just like walks out of the hood. How horny. How think about the state of mind that a man is in where he's going to a public, well, it's a private business, but there's a lot of people in there. It's a video store.

And what people don't realize, a lot of kids, a lot of kids don't understand. The video store was busy. Friday, Saturday night, there was a lot of fucking people in there. The video store was busy, Friday, Saturday night. There was a lot of fucking people. You were trying to put one of those videos in a different sleeve and then check it out. We did that one.

Oh, like an adult video. It's the adult video and then we put it in like never ending story or something like that. How did that work out for you? I think that we got caught. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But imagine the state of mind a guy has to be in, where he's walking in this place,

there's all these people in there, there's families in there, there's a long line waiting, people are renting movies, you're so horny, you're just like, I don't even care, I'm gonna walk in the back room in front of everybody

and walk out and everyone's gonna know. Hey, Keith. And I walked out with some sh- Pardon me. Yeah, no, it's pretty crazy. I got a phone or take care of. We were a part of that generation that I mean To watch the video cassette, you know

Movie rental thing evolved like super fast, right? Yeah, like our whole childhood it was like, you know, you go rent video cassettes And it was pretty much mom public then blockbuster came right and then DVD came blue ray came and then it was like and then I'll Said boom, it was all gone. It was like, we watched this whole vroom, and then now a business that any your kids will never even understand. How nostalgic is it? Because I still see some VHS places like that that have the posters for like, you know,

all these old action movies. Totally a cover, right? It's totally a cover for your drug business. Yeah, that must be because I'm like, nobody is right to you. I mean, it's in like small towns, you know, like all you have is like VCRs, no one's cabbing, nobody.

I mean, when I would go up my dad, it was my favorite thing to do with it. It was a cover, and I knew it. It's course, it's a cover. Even bumps have iPhones now, so there's no way anyone's, nobody as a cassette player, sorry.'s no way anyone nobody as a cassette player Sorry, and if you do still have a cassette player, it's because you just haven't you know I'm gonna do you're not renting movies I'm creating a new business where it's like okay

We're just gonna have VHS like rental and then right next to it's an arcade You know what I mean like to the most dinosaur businesses that were awesome in the 80s You get a bunch of string on that a bunch of sad There's some to say about arcade the reason why we have arcade games in here There's something cooler about still playing grabbing the joy stick and the buttons and standing I don't know and even like I feel like interacting with it How did your kids when you had the party over here? Did they play that or they just say fuck it? This yeah, yeah, they got into it.

Yeah, how could you not see? I feel like arcade games are still still, those will, I mean, God, those were around forever, right? And they're still, are still carrying, they're not as like they used to be, like when we were kids where we would be nickel arcades and shit playing all day long stuff. No, I don't know, I don't know.

I remember my dad used to go to the, the place to rent a movie and it was like a big deal. And I'd be like, can I go with you? And then we'd go there and I would walk through the horror section just to look to the place to rent a movie and it was like a big deal and I'd be like, can I go with you? And then we'd go there and I would walk through the horror section just to look at the boxes because they were so fucking scary. Yeah. Yeah. It's my young kid. My dad's looking for movies. Chucky. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you got Grimmlands. Yeah. All the shit. It's amazing. All the crappy movies. Yeah. It's amazing how instantaneous we have. Little shovel horrors. That was like That was like a Friday thing, right? Like you go to blog buster, you walk around,

you grab a move, you grab like three movies, and then you vote with your girl, like, no, I don't wanna watch that one. No, no, no, watch this one. Friday, 13th. You go wait in line, and then go find another one that you know, you see that one. One of the biggest fights I ever got into,

my girlfriend was like, we went there, and we're picking movies, and she wanted to watch some stupid shit, and I wanted to watch something awesome. That's not by us here. I know, and I was a kid. We went there and we're picking movies and she wanted to watch some stupid shit. And I wanted to watch something awesome. Of course, that's not by us here. I know. And I wanted to watch something awesome. And she's like, you always get what you want.

I'm gonna get what I want. And I'm like, I pay for the video. I had to pull, I had to pull rank. Wow. I'm paying for the shit. What a dick you are. I pick. Listen, tonight is Rocky 3.

We got a huge, yeah, that's it. We already watched it. Tonight's Rocky 3. We watched it last night. We've seen this movie. What an asshole. I've seen it every time. It's Rocky 3. Bitch I'm paying for it.

We're watching Rocky 3 again. Pull out your wallet and rent that and move yourself. Yeah, she did. I didn't do it. So I won. And I pressed it. If you don't pick the candy. If you don't shut your mouth, I'm going to rewind the training part fucking time tonight.

We're going to mock you. I'm going to mock you. I'm going to mock you. I'm going to mock you. I'm going to mock you. I'm going to mock you. I'm going I If you don't pick the candy if you don't shut your movie if you don't shut your mouth I'm gonna rewind the training part fucking time tonight. We're gonna montage the shit I Then remember remember you get like a fine if you don't revive rewind your video Dollar fun if you don't rewind you kind Good time. Did you guys get that?

Well, I'm sure you guys get that? Well, I'm sure you guys are getting lots of messages, but there was that one person who's now gone through, they got the Super Bundle when it first came out. And now they're going through Mapsesthetic because the way we organize it right, Maps, Santa Ballock, Maps Performance, Mapsesthetic, it's really awesome to see these people move through

the programs and then have these kind of epiphanies as they go through them because they're different. Right. They're all complimentary, especially when they do it in succession like that. They go through maps and a ball, like then they get in through performance and you really see this contrast and it plays out the way that we wanted to play out, which is great. My favorite messages are from people who are surprised. Like, there was one guy who's a trainer experienced,

went through maps and a ball, expected to get lots of strength gains, which he did. Then went through maps performance, but he was kind of bodybuilding minded. So he was like, well, I don't know if I want to go through this and I was messaging back and forth. He's like, my goal is aesthetic mainly and I'm like, trust me, mobility, movement.

It will totally contribute to your aesthetics. You just got to go through the program and get through that process. And at the end of it, he's like, I didn't really like, he goes, I'm more connected. My delts grew, my legs grew. He's like, this is crazy. I totally get what you guys mean in terms of your ability.

I was in a really emotion. Then he went on a trip and he's like, what do I do? Should I just take time off? I'm gonna be gone for two and a half weeks. I said, no, do maps anywhere. He's like, I've done body weight stuff. Again, he's got that kind of,

you know, I've already done body weight stuff before. I don't know. I said, trust me, the way it's programmed is totally different. He comes back and he sends me another message. He's like, I've never done no equipment, you know, type programming that I actually felt like I was gaining,

like I felt like my body was progressing again. Now he's in aesthetic, maps aesthetic, and the dude's tripping out is contemplating doing his first, like, physique type competition, which is, I think I forward his information to you Adam, but I love seeing people go through the programs and being surprised.

Yeah. It definitely takes an open mind. I mean, because there's a way there's a preconceived idea like he thought about body weight training like that, right? And we also had that same mentality and that's why we wanted to pursue those different avenues and see if we could improve on those. And so that's what maps really is all about for me, is like we really just collectively gathered all the, you know, the information that we've acquired over the years

and we put it together and we're like, how can we optimize and make this process even better? I think what people forget is that they get a program and it's either programmed out for the week. So it's like this micro, you know, they're kind of looking at it on a micro level, like okay, this is what I do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then I'm going to repeat that. And if I change anything, it's going to be some reps here and there, and I'll throw in a few things here and there, but they look at it on a weekly basis. Then the more the better programmed type routines or

programs will be on a like two cycle, three cycle type thing, right? Right. What people don't realize is you want to take a broader look and look at the even bigger picture and what we've done through our programs through our super maps bundle, for example, is you're looking at this massive macro cycle. You are looking at basically a year worth of programming and it's broken up into smaller cycles of three and four phase type programs,

which depending on the mass program, but each map's program, each phase is its own small small cycle. And so you're getting kind of this consistent progress on a short term and long term basis. And I'm going to tell you right now, realistically speaking, the dramatic gains you're going to make are going to happen, the big, big dramatic, the before and after is going to happen over the course of a year. It doesn't happen in 30 days. It happens over the course of a year.

You would be shocked and surprised at how far you can take your body if everything is planned and programmed out. If the different forms of adaptation are taken into account, and if they're all put together in a way that they complement each other, and that's what we've done when we've put together our super map spundals. You know, it's something that's cool too. I meant to give Doug a shout out for this.

I got a message about all the videos that are up there now. So it's really neat, and we've been, for a long time there, you know, we get people that have been listening to the show for a while because we didn't do a lot of commercials when we first started off. And they're like, how do I, I don't understand

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What is she? 26. Somewhere around there. Lady Gaga? Yeah, how old is she? God, is she that young? Yeah, she's a little girl, bro. That's horrible.

Yeah, no little girl's gonna rock my world. Sorry. So, we shall... Sorry. You'll leave that to the cool girls, huh? Madonna would rock my world. Yeah, so who would you would you rather who would you rather What's my mom fetish though? You know what I'm saying? That's what that is. That's like she's like 50 something years old

Yeah, you do have a you do have one. You do have that older That that's why you know it was funny. So I call my lady my old lady. How funny was it? You know and you that's your wheel she loves it. How How funny was it when we were up in Washington and we were at the hotel and we're sitting down and remember those women sitting behind us? Oh yeah. There was a group of... Cougars.

There was, I think that might have been out of the Cougar age. A little bit more on the gills. Oh, what's gilf category? I wouldn't go that far. I think what you call them. So let's see here. Okay, what's between a gilf? Cougar and a gilf.? I wouldn't go that far. I think what you call them. So let's see here. What's between a Goober and a gilf like a Puma. No Puma's young is a young

Oh really? A lion and a lioness like a leopard. They were saber tooth Saber tooth. Yeah, because you know, that's like ancient. Yeah, like extreme but big tusks with predatory So there was a group of saber tooth Lions and they were I don know, like hippopotamus. Wait, what, what a shrift? I just could go ahead and solve that. Yeah, this is piss everybody off. What age group would you say they were in?

Probably 50s. Oh, at least 50. They were, maybe early 60s. Yeah, probably I would 50s. I don't, I don't think any of them were 60 years old. They, so they had too much spunk. Yeah, to be 60 60 for they wanted more. So they were all there and they were drinking.

So they were tipsyish. And we were just chilling. We're having a meeting. We're having a business professional meeting. Eyeball on our table. And they're just staring, giggling, laughing and giggling and making little comments. And so we're sitting there and I'd even notice them snakering back in five. I didn't notice them

Adam noticed them because of course He's got a sixth sense for This age group of women who tend to hate on him. You I mean, let's let's not make a let's not I remember that one periscope where the lady like almost crashed. Yes Your dog. I mean, let's not pretend if there's a woman that's 15 years older than us, she's most likely going to be aggressive towards Adam. He just, for whatever reason, it's like a magnet.

She's 15 years younger, more than likely, she's interested in dad. I don't go that far. I don't go that far. I would be interested in dad over there. So we're sitting there. So we're sitting there and they're doing, so Adam's like, oh, fuck, it goes, there we go.

Yeah, good. He goes, here they go, yeah, he goes, I hate this. And Adam's like, oh fuck it goes there we go There they go, yeah, hey go that hate this and he's actually I mean he's literally you're I get scared Well, not just scared, but you're also a little annoyed because we're trying to work Yeah, and it's distracting and laughing these type of ladies when they get in a group and they get alcohol They they got no shame in their game. They're aggressive very aggressive extremely very intimidating Extremely and they're intimidating in numbers. One, I can handle four, and it'll scare you. They will harass you. Yeah.

They are like, it's no different than the stereotype construction guy that's whistling at the girls. Right. No different. Great analogy. That's probably what it's like for a female when it is for drunk construction guys. Yeah, it's exactly the same, except we don't feel threatened.

Like, I don't think they're gonna hurt me. So there's that fear. I can't be scared sometimes. Really? Yeah, yeah. Sometimes they get this look in their eye, this intimidating. There was five of them if they wanted to.

They could. They could probably do something to you. Yeah, but what happened? So they're doing this and Adam's every once in a while commenting like, God, they're so obnoxious and they're so whatever. And then Justin notices and I can see it and like whatever. We're ignoring them, right? And then we're laughing because we're like, God, they're so obnoxious and they're so whatever. And then just the notices and I can see it and like whatever.

We're ignoring them, right? And then we're laughing because we're like, oh, fuck, it's always happens to Adam. Mm-hmm. We get up to leave, because at this point now, we're like, let's just go up to the room like this is distracting. I mean, that's how annoying it was. We get up to leave and the one of the women...

Poles are phoned out. First she goes to me. Yeah. She goes, yes, I fucks. She goes, you're, I fucks the shit out of you. I felt violated very much. And she goes, and at that moment I had this relief come over me. It was like, I was not the prey.

She's like, you're cute. You thought for sure it was you. That was the best part. I was almost certain. I thought I were walking and then all eyes were on South. I was already hungry. I already had my like my comeback in case they said something aggressive to me on how I was gonna get out of it or what

of that. So I was already mentally preparing this. At what point were they filming? Because they're filming you. She pulled her phone out and she goes, you're cute. And then she fucking pulls her phone out. And she did say something. I was like, you're cute. And I just ignored him.

We kept walking. She pulls her phone out and is like, hey you right in front of me, like just following me with it, filming me. It was creepy. It was creepy and, you know, it's not every day that the woman looks at me and I'm mad at him. So it's a little bit of a... You did throw a little hint of a wind-to-ear walk

after you saw her pull the phone out. I'm not gonna lie. You had a little spring to a stand. Well, that's what he did. You know what, he got... You know what it was? Like. I'm not gonna lie. He had a little spring to his stand. Well, that's what he did. You know what? He got... You know what it was? Like, your dad hair was on point. It was. It was.

It had this like, like, cool wave, like, in the front. It might be. It's the... I was impressed. When I don't comb my hair now, it combed itself. You woke up like that. Something happens when you get older, where your hair... Just combed itself.

It combed itself. Not in a cool way. I mean, it looks dirtiest hell, but it is combed. I think it was a lot of factors. They all just lined up for you that day. It might have been, I was looking fit. I had on my new Lulu sweats. There was a lot of things that,

yeah, the Lulu sweats, that's what it was. Which does, it does outline. I didn't look in the form factor to you. I did get the small mirror so I can look in the big mirror and see how my glutes looked. And they do look better in the loop pants than normal pants. It splains the hip swagger you had. Yeah, a little bit.

No, that's good. Twinkle there. No, that's because I was sore from the workout before. I wasn't on purpose. I was actually hurting a little bit. What a good time out at Benz, man. I had such a great time with that guy. Every time I hang out with him, I like him more.

Yeah. He's a fun guy. He's a very, very fun guy. He's a very cool guy and he's definitely different, which I like. He's a big time family guy. That's what I like about him. He must have had us try every

toy, weird device, accessory, body, that he had. At one point, and I put this in succession on my Instagram, the little Snapchat feature or whatever, at one point and I put this in succession on my Instagram the little little snapchat feature or whatever At one point insta story just then had on these weird glasses that shine the special light around his face So he looks like he's inside. I looked fantastic a fish tank. He looks like Tron the movie Tron from the 80s Mm-hmm I had on this weird thing all over my head. so I looked like the scientists from back in the future

when Marty first meets them. Great Scott. Yeah, and he's like, I'm trying to read your mind. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, it looked like that. And then also there was a nose, what he refers to as a nose dildo because it goes inside your nose.

It was aggressive. And it shines light inside your nose hole. And which I didn't even, this is something to think about. It wasn't a brand new nose dildo. Yeah, so he, right. I was going to say I shared, but I let you go. So we shared an orifice. Well, we're right.

Did you even clean it? He said he cleaned it, but you know how Ben is. He's supernatural. I don't mean that in a lot of alien sense. I mean, super like natural. You see his knuckles and his fingertips. Yeah, he does know he's washed his hands in a few years. No, you know what that is?

Some stuff on there. You know what that is? His hands. His hands are made for nature. Like, he climbs and does shit with it. Like, he's got some tough fucking hand. You shake his hand. Oh yeah, no.

And he's got all his feet. There's like grounded. Like a hobbit. Like, he could probably climb a tree, like a bear. Yeah, there's like grounded like a hobbit. Yeah, like he could, yeah, like he could, he could probably, he could probably climb a tree like a bear. Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, yeah, or you, or like if you had a, if you had him, if you went at him with a knife, he might catch it.

Catch it or defund it on the blade side. Exactly. And just throw it right back at you. I think we should try and do a thumb war with him next time. I feel like he would break through a suture. I have to hand it to you for sure. Two, three, four. Yeah, so I had that on and you for sure. Two, three, four, three, four, three, four, three.

So I had that on and then Adam had on this huge bodysuit that inflated in some sides and inflated in other sides. And I don't think we put it on right because when it got really inflated, it was partially choking your neck and your crotch. Both sides were getting in. Yeah, I was like, you didn't look like that kid from the Christmas zone.

I can't right where you could see all those things. He's like falls over. And then, I don't think that was how I supposed to put it on. Yeah, and then he had that red light, that strip of lights that shown that extremely bright, red light that apparently, I am not making this up. You're gonna listen to the episode when we air it. He explains it. I don't know if it's true or not, but he breaks it down

that you shine these lights at your bare testicles. Yeah, right. So you take everything off, you straddle this thing with no pants or anything on, which I'm already going to do that anyway, because fuck it. It gives me a cool, yeah, it gives you more seminal volume. And it stimulates the lighty cells of the testicles, which are responsible for testosterone production, increases testosterone production, and increases seminal volume and sperm. I'm not gonna lie, since we've been back. Have you been shooting that?

I've been extra horny. Have you really? Yeah, abnormally. No, you haven't. I swear to goodness, bro. Because you used to. Could, yeah, could be that I didn't see my girl for three or four days

and just got back. I don't know. Yeah, I think that's it. But you did, you did. Could be that naked book that she got me for Valentine's Day could be that. Not sure. But there's a lot of factors there. Yeah. When you stood over it and and put your your your your area over the red lights. Right. What did it feel like? I felt like I was in a tanning bed pretty much. Really? So it felt warm. Oh yeah, it was warm. Did you notice any

size differences? Any circumference in my penis? No, for my front view. Yes. Oh, no. I forgot to measure before I started. You didn't check them. Yeah, were you day for, you know.

You're supposed to check them anyway, you know that right? Yeah, no. You don't check yourself. You gotta revolve the balls. No, no. You gotta use your left side. What? Don't like the Chinese thing.

No, no, don't twist them, because the right belongs on the right, the left belongs on the right. They can't switch sides. You don't want to get through you off. It'll know it'll tangle up the, you don't want to put the red wire where the, where the black thing, you know, let's take doing the batteries. It'll blow up. What happens? You would explode.

So anyway, that was a good time. Yeah, and the laser tag was awesome. Laser tag was awesome. How about the, I love it. We've got the highest score in laser tag. Who cares with the high score? Who had the best name? Yeah, he had the best name. Two, both times. I'm trying to forget who got the score. Both times top five. Someone got the best one. You got it one time. Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember. Fourth place. I remember that. Fifth place twice. I think if yeah.

But we had another athletic event at Sal one it is wow How could you know he didn't win it's an average dude? How do you not believe in these two games? How do you know? What did you get the first? I did not yeah, like 12th wouldn't insult Adam. This is Adam's like He's so he's so can't believe when I do something yeah Not bad because not like I did anything good I did something easy I did something that's like athletic like oh south can actually throw a basketball not good but you can throw one right the only explanation for this is Jesus no other way it's only that makes sense to me that's only yeah so it only strength in your what was what was your what was your handle what was your laser tag handle first

place yeah he's first place that way what did you try and do the guy was like no I'm not putting that up there what did you say he's like I can't do that it's pretty funny because the guys are obviously the guys that worked there right yeah they they're up and up on any fucking dumb kids that come in yeah and try and say get them to say something like the mic content and things like that. I tried to, I think it was, I tried to do PHUC why you fuck you but spelled phonetically like that. Yeah, he was pretty quick. You know, you know what made me feel like an old man when he totally accepted mine and

said like, oh, that's fine. The kid. Because you said mushroom stamp. Yeah, he goes, yeah, nobody does that anymore. He's like, that's not a thing. Yeah, he's like, there's nobody in here that I'll understand that. I was like, oh God, I just felt fucked. There were some hot moms in there.

So I was just like, I thought it'd be funny to your moms. Yeah, I was like, mom's new friend. That is mine. That is hands down the best handle that I've seen in a long time. I just loved it because we used handing out the awards. They had to say that. Yeah, the mom's hanging out. Yeah, you know, the moms were thinking out.

Yeah, there's all these, like, hey kids, the moms with little, little sons there. Moms new friend. Did you guys, all the moms, smirk and adjust them when he goes up there? Dude, did you guys see like, when you'd be in there,

there'd be of course, there's kids in there and there's adults. And did you see like, they would have real young kids? And what they do is they tether them to a parent. Have you, did you see that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the parent, so here's the thing.

I was relentless. Well, like, baby, baby, baby, baby. Yeah, I was just gonna say, kill that kid. If you want to get a lot of points, no one will you score top five? If you want to get a good boy's corner, the little kid who's like four. The top five, I didn't.

I let him shoot me. No, because so what they did was they, they to tether these little, these kids to their parents and the parent has to wear a vest and the parent has to wear a vest and the kid has to wear a vest. So if you follow them, you get to boom, two points. Shoot the parent, shoot the kid, run away. So it was just a little fun strategy.

What about the flight back? What'd you guys think about that? Really? Who? Don't get to bring that up. We were live. That's an accomplishment. There's nothing more frustrating to be that close

to being home and then taking that long. You know, it's like it's such a short, it's like a two hour flight, right, to get there. And it only took us like 12 hours to get home. I did not do well in the propeller pond jumper. What the fuck, man? That thing was crazy. I don't like turbulence like that.

And that shit was going off. I had a stomach ache from all the candy I was eating. You did eat a lot of candy I did I did too though mine was organic So stupid you know what I called it though did I can't I called it I'm like this motherfucker's gonna come back with some organic candy dude try and make himself feel better You know what you know what I'm not eating candy like Adam eating organic Mine you were unhealthy. I was eating healthy

You know I got you're gonna poison my my body I'm gonna poison it all the way You know why I got you the GMO it wasn't because it was organic It was because the organic candy was the hard candies didn't have hard candy Don't lie. Don't lie. You wanted to do that so you could say that and it was made with say you're being healthier It was made with cane sugar earlier. You're recies. It was made with the disease. Yeah, dried What do they call it? I dried cane juice when they try and name it something that sounds cooler. It tastes like shit I think that's why gave my stomach ache. Hmm. Yeah, it wasn't the organic candy Yeah, did you finish it when you do the worthless? I only ate like five pieces just and it a whole shit ton

Remember I had this talk of bro. Don't lie. I ate the the rest of those. Yeah peanut butter There's like ten pieces see that was like you ain't crazy I like eight just get weird with Ken. They're not even the small ones. They're not even like a real cup size. I've walked in on him rubbing chocolate on his nipples. Did he do that? What are you doing?

You know what? He's weird. He's cause he's trying to get the garlic. You guys don't do that. No, we rub it on his nipples to remember. We all do that. We all do. I like Spokane, man.

I actually think it's a cool little town. Not a lot going on, you know. Not a lot. That dispenser where you went to or whatever. Yeah, that was cool. That was a good time for sure. Well, how neat is that? You know what's weird is that California, it seemed like we were way ahead of everybody

when it came to America. Or behind now. Now we're behind. Yeah. That makes me so angry. That's weird. Like we're the pot capital. How are we the pot capital? It was so easy.

It was like a store, you know, that it wasn't even like a bar or anything. It's just like a store here. Buiced, you know, marijuana stuff. Yeah, it's weird. And they had good selections. Everything was tested. It was, that's it man.

The market's gonna start making better products, I guess. Yeah. Making them a lot better. Yeah, we'll see. It was weird though, to go in there and do that. And the edibles were all standardized, and it was kind of interesting. It's like, is this okay?

How was the chocolate? I didn't have the chocolate one, how was that? It was good. Did it hit? I mean, you didn't seem to be stupid or anything afterwards. Thanks. Yeah.

Typically, it was a five-milligrants. It was weak. The same as our, it was in the chocolates we could run. There was that sweet spot for Justin. Yeah. Yeah, there is too much. There's, yeah. Yeah, too much, you know what, you know what happens.

Well, it's funny that you heal, I said. Just that. You know that you get more the psychedelic side when you eat the chocolate. I know, it's when you eat it. When you eat it, it's, like, you hate to be paranoid and so that, but that's what will cause it. Like, smoking doesn't, you hardly get any of that

from smoking. It makes me laugh. What makes me laugh is that, it will he'll become aware of it He'll say it he'll be like oh wow he's like this is cool and then like 10 minutes later But like I think I had too much He's spiraling out No, he's treating it called the Vortez oh god I'm going to Vortez and then I tell him because what happens to Justin at least you took correct me from wrong

Just okay, he's he you can tell that he starts to like become overly critical of how he's acting. Oh my god Yes, so it's really easy to fuck with him like if I want to try to be like bro stop you acting kind of weird And then you'll be like yeah, yeah I said stop me Like we're putting this we'll laugh at a joke and you'll be like are you laughing at me like no, but now I am Did you guys get caught up? Did you guys listen to the whole Joe Rogan Stephen Crowder episode and on both episodes?

Both, yeah, I listened to both. Yeah, I think Joe was a bit of a dick in his episode with him. He was. He was poking at him. I feel like, I feel like because I feel like Joe did that intentionally. I think he brought him on the show. Crowder is a bit of a fast talker and can be a bit of a bully himself. He's just a very good debate.

He was trying to slow him down. You know, like he just wanted to have a normal kind of relaxed conversation, I feel, and then like, you know, because like Crowder came in just like super caffeineed up. And so he was like, I'm a spitting in the pile. And Rogan said he got drunk.

He said it's because he got drunk and he made him kind of like, I feel like he used that as like an excuse I mean the guys yeah drunk and hi half the time he doesn't show and he has no I think he I think he went a little overboard He got called out by so many people and so he had to have did an apology and I think not only did he have Passion about that topic. Well not only did he have to do apology, but I think Crowder made him come on his show and do a formal apology on his show because of that I think that was the deal. Yeah, I think I think Joe probably did that out of his own, you know He probably listened to it and was like critical

That's what I think I think I think he I think they got a lot of emails Yeah, he got a lot of hate from it. Yeah, because a lot of hate from it. I hear what I enjoy though I really enjoy when two people can debate. I love that. I love it was great It was great listening and they can even talk shit to each other But then you know it doesn't go to the point where everybody's like I'm don't I'm leaving I'm you know they pissed off. They did go a little far as far as like I mean I did get repetitive it did get a little repetitive like there was but I definitely enjoy the the banter back and forth I think especially when it's a two intelligent guys,

I mean, they got a little far with talking over each other, but I mean, I love that stuff. I think people learn really well that way. When you have two intelligent people arguing, they're opposing sides with good arguments, even if it is getting a little angry and hurtful, I still feel like a lot of people hear that. Well, there's this movement that's happening now

in modern culture where, and it's happening in colleges, unfortunately, because colleges used to be bastions of different ideas and free speech. In fact, the famous college never ending story character. Sebastian. Sebastian's very good. Like Berkeley, for example, back in the 60s and 70s, protested to allow for different points of view and different.

Did you hear that? Now what they do, what you'll see a lot of is they'll, they don't even want to listen. They'll protest that a person's even speaking there. They don't want them to speak there They'll protest that a person's even speaking there like they don't want them to speak there They'll throw you know protest and riots and this whole silencing thing. It's a kind of a shitty movement because One of the best way to expose bad ideas and bad people is to debate and discuss with them openly. Yeah, like if you just if you just Silence their way right into a trap if you just silence people and make them shut up You actually strengthen their message because then you get other people who fight to have them speak.

One of the best things you could do is just, okay, let's talk. Let's, I disagree with you, you disagree with me. I think you're an idiot, but we're gonna talk. We're gonna debate this, we're gonna avoid personal attacks because that's dumb, anybody can do that. And then I'm gonna expose how bad your ideas, but you also gotta be open to the fact

that maybe you're the one, your idea's the one that's bad. So I really appreciated that, that crowd or rogue in debate where they were talking about marijuana and going back and forth. Did you hear them talk about our boy Jake Shields getting in the fights with all this, you just reminded me with the Berkeley talk.

Yes, did you hear about that? Yeah, yeah. You saw the video, right? No. He stepped in and, about our boy Jake Shields getting in the fights with all this. I used to remind him with the Berkeley talk. Yes. Did you hear about that? Yeah. Yeah. You saw the video, right? No. He stepped in and, yeah. What happened?

I was just looking it up right now. So there were those riots. There were those riots at Berkeley because there was a speaker that was going to go there who's part of what they call the, uh, the alt-right, um, which is like the extreme right wing side of, you side of politics. The speaker's name is Milo Yanapoulos, who's this, who's a gay guy, right? Yeah, but he's very, very, very offensive,

purposefully offensive. So he's like literally their trolling people. That's what he does, he calls himself that. And they rioted, they didn't want him to speak there. And I guess some supporter of Milo, of Milo, excuse me, was getting beat up by these protesters and Jake Shield stepped in and defended the dude and kind of got the guys off of them.

And then of course they recognized who he was and they're like, oh no man, we're just trying to, you know, he's just, he's got bad ideas and he's a Nazi and Jake's like, I don't care what he is, You can't fucking beat him up and You know, yeah, basically tell me about me. I don't know anything about Milo Milo Milo Milo Milo He's actually some current shit's going down right now where he's in a big lot of hot water out. I don't want to comment on it because it's It right now. It's about it's a lot of just I, I don't know what's true and what's not true,

but he's this, he calls himself libertarian, but he's very right-wing and he's very offensive, purposefully offensive, and liberals, especially extreme liberals hate him because he's gay, he's Jewish, and he says he only dates black men, but then he says things against those sides, purposefully being offensive, and it's hard to go out of him because he's also those things as well. And so he presents kind of this conundrum,

you know, like you call him, you can't call him homophobic, or at least you can, but then he's gay, so he uses that. And he's just very, very offensive. Stephen Crowder's had him on a show, right? I think he has. Yeah, I thought that, so I don't understand, because I thought I heard Crowder say that they got into

it a little bit back and forth, and he's a conservative, is Milo or Milo? He keeps him Milo. Milo, he'll disagree with both sides sometimes, but he tends to hammer the left much more, especially the... Yeah, Crowder does. No, no, my low.

Okay, so it was my low. So there it is. But he's like I said, he's very, very like, he'll use, you know, racist terminology and homophobic term, just because he's trying to get attention and he's... And he can, because he is, right? And he is, he riles people up and that's part of what he does. So he's just one of those people. I think he should, I mean, I think everybody should be allowed to speak.

I think if you don't like their ideas and what they say, like use your words to take them down, you know, be intelligent about it. But these riots were stupid. You have some people who are just getting violent. And let me tell you something, words are words. And they can be tell you something words or words and they can be hurtful Of course and they can be shitty, but their words. They're not violence. They're not physical violence. They're not theft Yeah, so you know We got to be careful when we fight people with bad ideas and words with violence because then you just end up strengthening

So it was Jake prosecuted for this what happened? Did he get no no no Jake went and defended these? Oh, okay So he didn't get in trouble. No, no no no, no, Jake went in defended these. Oh, okay, so he didn't get in trouble. No, no, no, no, no, Jake was actually being a good surmountain. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. I thought he got in trouble. No, no, no, no, no, no, he didn't get in trouble. He was doing like a good thing,

because he was stopping some dude from getting, like, physically assaulted. How many were at the Ryan? Was there a time or what? It was a big deal, dude. I made big news. I didn't see that I don't want you to do this. It was big news, yeah.

I don't even know how I heard about it. Like, they were light and shit on fire, and it was a big deal, dude. I made big news. I didn't see how I don't want you to do this. It was big news, yeah. I don't even know how I heard about it. Like they were lighting shit on fire. And it was a big deal. It's really sad. It is so. It's really sad that people will riot and destroy public property over. I mean, look, when people riot after sports teams lose

or when people riot after, I mean, it's just mob mentality is a very interesting just ignorant as well. Yeah, and you always gotta be careful that you know, getting sucked into the team, the camp, the tribe, like you gotta have your individual mind really assess everything and really do, they do studies on this.

There's this classic study that you can watch videos on, you can actually pull these up on YouTube. Classic study that they've repeated over and over again, and it's very dependable. It's very consistent. The results are very consistent. What they'll do is they'll put people in a room. And one of the people in the room

doesn't know that everybody in there is an actor or part of the study. So they'll have one or two people go in there that are not part of the study. And they don't know, they think that everybody in there is either part of the study or they don't even realize they're part of a study. They think that they're waiting in a doctor's office

or something, right? So you're in a waiting room, imagine this. You're in a waiting room, six other people. You don't know all these people, including the receptionist, are in on the study and you have no idea. So you just think you're in a waiting room. And a bell will go off or a tone will beep,

like beep, and then everybody will stand up, and then another beep will go beep, and then everybody will sit down. And this will keep happening at regular intervals, and a good majority of people, a big, not everybody, but a big chunk of people will start to follow the crowd. When something goes off, everybody will stand up because they're

looking at everybody thinking, they must know something. Yeah, like I need, okay, everybody's doing this, I should do this. And they'll do it. But what's even weirder is one of the actors or whatever will leave and go in the doctor's office. So now there's one last person. And then another study, another person walks in who's not part of the study. So now they don't know what's going on. They'll come in and They'll see everybody standing up and the person who just learned to do it will actually encourage the person to do it They'll be like why is there but I don't know. I think we're supposed to do this. You should stand up Really? Yes, it makes perfect. It's fucking weird or they'll do another study They'll do another study where people will go will walk into an elevator and when you walk into an elevator

Where's everybody facing towards the door? Always, right? But this time, they'll walk into an elevator, and everybody is facing the wall. And seven at a 10 times or something like that, everybody will face, you'll walk in, and you'll feel weird facing forward. So then you'll walk in,

what the fuck is wrong with you? And you'll follow where everybody else is facing. And this just highlights. So you, in other words, okay, so if I, elevator opens, I got everyone's ass is facing me when I walk in. Or let's say everybody's facing to the left. Okay, yeah, so a different direction.

Yes. Okay, so I walk in, I'm looking at everybody's backs, their backside. The natural thing for me to do is just to follow suit, get on the elevator and face with them. It would, it's not natural, and I would have to think about it to turn around. Completely.

Oh, that's funny. It's a, and so that's, you know, that makes me want to fuck with people now. I know. Next time we're in a group, so if you want to travel, or we got to start doing that, we're in, we're just in elevators all fucking weekend. We should have been doing that.

We should fuck with people for now. I'd say we get everybody, just face different ways and stuff. Dude, it's, it's a weird part of human psyche. And, you know, when you're when you're in this mob mentality, that's part of it, you know, like the whole mob is, you know, pissed off, or everybody's getting excited, everybody's, you know, breaking shit, or everybody's whatever. And people get swept up in this weird mob consciousness that normally you wouldn't normally you would say that's not right I'm not gonna do that you know I'm saying like you know you see that with people when they're you know You see someone being a hurt by police or you see you know these horrible movements and everybody kind of goes along with it

It's a scary thing so to see riots and stuff I don't care what the reason is where you're destroying property and you're getting violent. That's fucking scary, man. We got to really learn to think for ourselves, you know what I mean? It's what's really silly, and I know Crowder does this. I've seen other comedians do this where they go into these protests that they actually have opposing views, but then they'll pretend like they're there supporting it, and they'll ask these people random questions.

Seriously, I've seen that happen a bunch of times. And of course, you know, it's semi-biased because it's, they're making a video that's opposing what they view, so I get that. But they do do these like, with a randomly interview these people that are out there protesting where it's like, hey, why are you out here? Well, you can see how like even back, like it was proven right, the CIA would influence a lot of these riots because they would bring in actors or these agents that would start directing the crowd to do certain things.

That's why it's so dangerous because it's so influential. You could direct this mob of people to start doing whatever you want to do with them., you want to do with them. Well, and half of them, like I said, half of them don't even know why they're fucked there there. Or they start like trying to say a point. And it's like, do you even know that's not true? Like we proved that a long time ago. Like, yeah, those stats aren't real or that's not. I don't know.

I'm so in the camp of like, I don't like being around crowds of people to begin with. I don't like groups, you know, I don't like being attached to these, like, I just don't understand it and I've always been that way. Yeah. Have you ever protested? Have you ever had a protested?

I've marched. Oh, you have. What's your one? For gay marriage. Oh, you did. Yeah, it's San Francisco. San Jose. Downtown.

You did. Yeah, this was back by yourself with a frant. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I went down there and I was actually by myself and I walked around a little bit., no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I family members that are gay. And I felt very, very strongly in support of it, but I'm with Justin, there's this really interesting, I don't know what you would call it, but I'm very, very natural tendency to be against authority. I don't like people telling me or a lot of people

what to do, that's my instinct, right? Instinctually I'm like, well who are you? And number two, if I see everybody doing something, even though I agree with them, I get this weird like, I'm like, I'm like, what are you guys doing? I don't know, I just feel like everybody easily buying into this. Well, I just don't like that mob feeling, you know what I'm saying? For a second, so I kinda, so kind of have to separate from myself from it.

I don't know if it's because I get anxious all these people. I don't know what it is, but so I'm not good at those types of situations. I mean, because I tend to question a lot of what's happening. Like, this is one of the reasons why, you know, and I'm not hammering on religion. People think I'm so anti-religious, but when I would go to churches as a kid, I immediately didn't like it, just because I'd see everybody stand up,

everybody say the same thing, everybody's like, God, like everybody, like you guys think for yourself, like I instantly didn't like it, you know? So just one other thing. Have you guys ever marched or anything like that? I have not. I've never been a part of it.

I'm trying to think if I've even been nearer one that was going on,, I don't think I have. I can't think of one on top of my head, that's for sure. It did not my style to even do that. I feel like there's just, there's a whole plethora of things that you can do before that. Like I think that to me, there's other things that you can be doing in your community

or voicing your opinion. I mean, obviously we have a platform, so that's one thing,'s other things that you can be doing in your community or voicing your opinion. I mean, obviously we have a platform, so that's one thing, but even without not having a platform, I still feel like there's more you can do than standing out, hollering with science. There's a lot of things you can do. That's just one of them, but I'll tell you what, man, I don't care what people protest for as long as they're peaceful.

I don't lie, I'm always against violent protests, always against violent protest, unless you're defending yourself. But I love, love, love, even if I completely disagree with the premise or whatever the people are protesting for, even if I disagree with them, I love that people feel like they have the freedom to be to go express themselves peacefully and I think it's such an amazing part of our country And I maybe don't agree with their their ideology or whatever it is like I want to hear You know where people are having frustrations or you know what What the pulse is in different communities and that's why it is important for them to get attention into, you know, yell sometimes when they're not being heard. So I don't, I tend to like wanna make sure

that we protect that. Yes. And so like, I just respect them. I respect the hell out of them. I mean, I have, it's kind of a tough, it's a tough thing because it's like, you know, you don't want it to be violent, of course. Because that's just like, that's when you lose.

Like, you lose your, I feel like whatever march it is you're doing and everything starts to get violent, then it's a wash. Dude, here's what happens. Here's why violence is, besides the fact that you're hurting people and you're destroying property and you're, okay. Here's one of them them other reasons why being violent is such a stupid thing when you're protesting. The minute some of you are violent,

and it's always a small minority, allowed minority, but the minute a group within a protest become violent, that becomes the focus of what the protest and that becomes the center of the the protest and that is becomes the center of the argument. You lose your power. This is one of the reasons why, like one of my heroes, one of my, I probably my top three heroes and idols

that I look up to. Gandhi. Well, Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. was that he advocated so much for non-violence that you had no choice but to listen. Because when they marched, there were marches that they did with the police got violent against these protesters

where they would spray him with hoses and it got filmed. It got caught on film on the news and Americans. Everyday Americans were watching this and you have peaceful protesters being pushed around and beat up and none of them were fighting back and none of them were, and the viewers were like, what the fuck, this is not right.

Now imagine if you watched that on the news and the protesters were breaking shit and being violent. It's hard, you know, people would focus on that and it was so fucking effective, it was extremely effective. So I think if you're protesting and you wanna be really, really, really, really effective, it's a long, arduous process of course, but just be peaceful at all costs

because any violence that happens against people or- Yeah, because in your, the one getting attacked, you know, and it's like, but that's what's more powerful. It's like, you expose, and it's like, but that's what's more powerful. It's like, you expose the evil, like, in the malintention behind, you know, some of, like, these, like, authoritative regimes that are there. But I would say this, one of the most effective things you could possibly do, and we're seeing some of it now, thanks to social media and internet, like, if you really, really, really

want to be effective, one of the most effective things you could possibly do, you can protest, of course you can get out, you can pick it, you can make news, but if you use your money and you stop buying shit that supports whatever you're against and you get enough people to do this and that company loses market share,

loses value in the market and starts to lose. Man, you become really fucking powerful. They react very quickly. If you start to do, let's say you're for a particular thing that you want the government to support, and you find all these companies that are against it, you make a list of these big companies and droves of people stop buying shit there, find all these companies that are against it, you make a list of these big companies

and you know, droves of people stop buying shit there and their sales drop and all of a sudden like, you watch what happens real quick, like all of a sudden, you're super-effects. One of the most effective thing, you can't do that with everything, of course, not everything's affected that way, but man, that's effective.

I've seen several times where people will do that and companies will real quick Scramble scrambled to change what they're doing and saying it's pretty cool. I remember when Remember that movie super size me came out. Yeah, where the guy was demonizing fast food But of course the target of it was McDonald's. Yeah That movie by itself was so effective that immediately after that McDonald's eliminated their supersize Option they don't let you supersize anymore. Yeah, I mean think about that. Yeah that McDonald's eliminated their supersized option. They don't let you supersize anymore. I mean, think about that.

That's pretty impactful. Very, very powerful. Very, very powerful stuff. So... Here she comes. Freedom bird. Glorious. There she is. Good.

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Absolutely nothing. Yeah, next question. Adam Castro is one of our favorite forum members, right? He's a trainer, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Great guy. So here's the thing, depends on what results you're talking about.

If your goal is athletic performance, if any, you're at a high level athletic performance, if the average person just wants to get in shape, here, the order of operation or order of importance in terms of the things you should focus on. Heart rate, heart rate zone training is down quite a bit. There's a lot of things that are way more important to it. It's one of those things you manipulate when you get to a high level of performance and really it's for athletes. You know what I mean? Like if you're an athlete and you're trying to improve your mainly endurance athletes.

Endurance or your VO2 max or your ability to you know utilize oxygen at while you're at high intensities and all that stuff. Then you you train within certain heart rate zones to improve your performance. If your goal is fat loss. Yeah, this is where it is not important, where you see, and this is where a lot of the marketing is around these companies that use heart rate monitors and-

I guess seeing that fat bird in zone. And I'll tell you what, is it- You guys remember when we were training? Absolutely, I used to use this tactic. We were taught to use this tactic. I think it was a sales tactic. There was, I used to walk up, and I used to pick people off the cardio machine all the time, and I'd ask them,

are you traveling at your target heart rate? Or a training. Yeah, yeah, right. And I used to be traveling. I said traveling. You're on the treadmill, bro. Are you traveling at your target heart rate? And people get smarter.

Yeah. Fat loss, destiny. Nice use of words. Just pause for a second, and just reflect on how I thought that was wrong, but that's better. I know. I know. Anyway, continue.

So yeah, and then after then most people didn't know what that was, you know, they didn't know what their target heart rate was. And then I would pull them off and explain the benefits of your target heart rate. Then I would bust out the Carvonian theory. And then I would, oh my god, I forgot about the name. Carvonian crib cycle.

Let's talk about it. So I would bust that. I still remember it. So I would bust that out and then I would tell them and then I would explain to them that when you're in this zone, this is the most effective and efficient way that you can burn fat. And I was careful to use words like that because it's true still. I'm not lying. it is the most effective

and efficient way for you. Efficient, is the key word? Yeah, and then the way I would explain that in further detail was that when you are in this zone, it is less likely that your body will use other things like muscle to break down and utilize for energy. So staying in this zone is the most optimal place for us to burn fat.

There's some truth to that, but for the most part, it's a crock of shit. And for the most part, it was a gimmick that we use to sell personal training and scare people that are doing cardio into purchasing from you. So you could educate them on their target heart rate zone. And to add a sexy metric for you to look at on the treadmill.

Exactly. Yeah, I'd be like, hey, I know so many. So many fat burning zone. Yeah, I'm a trainer. I know this secret way to do cardio, because you know what they did, right? Of all the forms of exercise in the gym, the one where the trainer has the least amount of value

was cardio. Is that a creative phrase? Yeah, like, you don't need to, that's why everybody does cardio in the gym, because you get on the fucking machine, move, move. So they're like, hey, you also need a trainer for cardio, you know what I mean, I'll make you better at everything. There's a couple of things wrong with that sales tactic.

Number one, we would say we don't want you to burn muscle. Very unlikely you're burning muscle ever when you're doing exercise. That is a massive myth. What happens is if you're just doing cardio and you don't do resistance training, you may like get wrapped up before you burn muscle. Yeah, you ain't burning muscle.

What's happening? I know I got that. What's happening is your body adapts in this sense. It adapts to lose muscles so that you end up burning less calories. It's not burning muscles, it's not becoming an energy. It's just you lose muscle because your body wants you to burn less calories, because if all you're doing

is burning calories, but you're not sending a signal that you need expensive to sleep. Your body is morphing and adapting to a body that's more efficient to do what you're currently doing. And if you do a lot of it, you're basically teaching it to adapt to it. That's all it really is. And where I do use it, where I do think it has some sort of weight to it, is like you said, the athlete, the really competitive edge.

To me, it falls real close in the category of supplements, but it's just a little bit more important than supplements, maybe just a little bit more important than supplements, maybe just a little bit more. And you could actually, I could probably go back and forth debating with somebody on which one is more effective as far as most beneficial to knowing, right? Like knowing exactly what supplements to take

and knowing exactly where your target heart rate is to not burn up or not lose any muscle. So like when I'm getting ready for a show and I'm like living in a clork deficit for weeks on in and my body's just, you know, burning up, burning up, burning up, burning up, and then I'm also doing cardio. You know, I'm wanting to push the body, but I'm also not wanting to push the body too much

because I don't want it to adapt and start to lose a bunch of muscle mass. So, and once again, we're talking about the competitive edge where I'm getting judged in every half a quarter pound of muscle that I can keep on my body becomes important to the average person, the differences. Yeah, but it's that restricted calorie intake. That's the only time it's like of a concern. You know, if you're fed that day,

and you're trying to manipulate your heart rate zones for your cardiovascular training, how the hell are you gonna get to a point where you're burning muscle? You're not, and you know, here's the other thing to consider, like one of the other things that we would tell people is you burn more fat in this particular heart rate zone, which is false.

It is false. It's more, that's why the keyword was efficient. Yeah, you burn, exactly. You burn a greater percentage of the calories that you burn come from fat, but overall you stir burn less fat. Like, for example, if I do intense cardio and I burn 800 calories in 20 minutes,

let's say 70% of that 800 calories comes from fat. The rest of it comes from glycogen. Now let's say I go less intense for 20 minutes and 75% of my calories come from fat. Whoa, a greater percentage of my calories came from fat. Hold on, now I only burn 600 calories though because I'm less intense. So yes, a greater percentage of 600 calories came from fat, but overall, it's still less fat because 75%

of 600 less than 70% and 100. So it's false all the way around. It was a selling point. And I don't use this almost ever, unless again, I'm training with an advanced athlete, in which case we're trying to monitor heart rate. Every little metric you're trying to add, a little performance increase. It would have to be someone very specific for me to get into this, like you said. Someone who is training,

and like if you're training to increase their VO2, and that's like a specific goal, you wanna do that or their endurance, right? We're trying to increase their endurance, so we're messing with all that stuff. But I can't remember the last time that I even told somebody what their target heart rate was. I mean, typically for me.

I haven't used this for 15 years. Yeah, I mean, there's value to resting heart rate and heart rate variability in tracking with that. I feel like that's more valuable even than just going through the zones. But yeah, I mean, even then, that's still on a very high level of trying to acquire all this biofeedback. And don't get me wrong. I mean, if there's somebody who is making money off of this or pitching it or is a doctor who, you know, is promoting something that's related to this, they could sit here and they could debate with us all day long because

there's science that supports that what the plenty of clinical trials, I'm sure they show numbers out the union. Well, the numbers that they'll show is fat, oxidized versus not fat oxidized. What you need to keep in mind is two things. Result studies can show percentages of things changing from a measurement standpoint, but there's very few studies that show end result. Like, okay, these people actually lost more fat

versus these people. That's number one. Number two, we've trained for a long time. I've been training for 20 years. I've been training people for 20 years, I should say. I've trained a lot of people, and I just know there's certain things you focus on that are gonna be far more effective

and other things you just don't. And that's it. And almost never do I focus on heart rate because it's almost like there's other things I can focus on that are gonna affect your progress. If I start focusing on heart rate before I take care of all these other massive things, this person's gonna get no results.

They're gonna be spending their time and energy on something that's negligible, almost negligible. Like you can do it, but it's very low on the totem pole. Very this, you know what I mean? That's how I feel. Yeah, I feel like if I had a client that's been with me for like a year and we've like gone over like a lot of things, it's like, oh,

you wanna get in a heart rate, we could talk a little bit about that. And exactly, you know, and typically this is how I do discuss this with a client. So if I ever do talk about this with a client, it's because they ask me. Because they, well, what's the deal with the target heart rate? Like I hear that you need to be here.

I heard that's the only way you burn fat. Then I'm like, okay, let me dispel this for you. Let me explain how this works, but it doesn't really apply to us because I'm not really worried about that. Orn's though. Brown. Next up, Roezy.

Can you build muscle and lose fat at the same time? You can, you can. There's another myth in fitness is that it's impossible to do that. I think the root of this lies in two places. The first place would be the bodybuilding, old-school bodybuilding world where you either bulked or you cut. You either ate in a massive surplus and lifted weights a particular way.

Or you went into a fat burning or cutting stage where you reduced everything and you added cardio and lifted weights a different way. What they noticed was because they focused on gaining, they gain muscle and strength along with fat. And because when they focused on cutting, they lost fat, but they also lost muscle and strength. And so some of the myth is rooted in that. Some of the other side of the myth is it's roots come in the fact that it's hard. It's not easy. It's not easy to do this because there is an anabolic signal that comes from eating in a large surplus of calories by itself. And there is a catabolic signal that happens for meeting in a deficit all by itself. So by themselves, they can contribute to building muscle or losing muscle, or gaining fat and losing fat, of course, the fat part.

So there's that myth as well. But here's the thing, it requires for you to be able to build muscle and lose body fat. It requires that things are on point. That your diet is just, you're humming along with nutrition. And it's a longer period of time because like, it's just smaller. Yeah, yeah, it's very slow because you have to stay within

the parameters which are very slim. Right. So you can't go past like where you could go a little bit more extreme as if I was bulking, right? I could pack on mass quite a bit more quickly as where I'm trying to stay lean and like gain muscle mass. And you have to send a really good signal with your workouts.

The anabolic muscle building signal has to be really well done and efficient for whatever space your body's in for it to decide that at the same time it's reducing its energy storage, which is fat, that it also wants to increase its calorie burning potential with the expensive tissue like muscle. So it's kind of this like your body has to be, you have to have all these signals and

they have to be in sync for this to happen. That's what makes it so hard. Well, a couple of things. One, if you're somebody who just started off, this is a lot easier. So, you know, a picture of a client who comes in, hires me, and he or she is 100 pounds overweight, and they haven't worked out either ever or in years. We are going to build muscle and lose body fat pretty quick and pretty easy, because that like, Salah, Salah is explaining how important the signals are.

Well, guess what? When you haven't been sitting in any signal for a very long time, just touching weights is going to be a loud different signal. And so the body is going to respond. So it's going to be building because it hasn't even hit weights in so long. So easily this person is going to be building muscles. So even though their scale may be dropping pounds and pounds and pounds because they have a lot of body weight,

that they, everybody fat that they need to reduce and they're burning all these extra calories now. And so the scale's going down, they're definitely losing fat. But they're also building a lot of muscle too because this is a brand new signal. In fact, I would say this is probably, if you do a good job with most clients,

this is usually what happens in the beginning, isn't it? You know, you see it every almost every time. Well, and I also, this is also, this is ideal. So this is what I want all my clients to kind of be at, but the reality is it's hard. So now that I give you the example of someone who hired me and their brand new, whatever, okay, well, how about somebody who's hired me and they've been training for 10 plus years. They've been in pretty good shape most of life and they're hiring me to now get in training for 10 plus years. They've been in pretty good shape most of life and they're hiring me to now get in a little bit better shape.

That person is gonna be a lot more challenging to work with and that person too, I want them to be able to do this, but a lot of that is, a lot of coaching for me, I, there's a lot of coaching I need to do first with this person to get them to understand what's gonna be going on. And I'm actually, I have somebody right now that I'm helping out, and she doesn't really need

to lose a lot of weight. She's maybe 5, 10 total pounds. And so right now at the very beginning, all I don't want her to lose anyway, I actually want her weight to stay about the same, because I know if I'm feeding her correctly, and she's training correctly, she's probably losing a little bit of body fat, building a little bit of muscle, losing

a little bit of body fat, which is keeping her about the same on the scale. So, as a trainer, knowing this is ideal, this is also really challenging mentally for people because you hire somebody or you start work, even if you didn't hire a trainer, you're working out towards a goal. You know, you wanna see these results on the scale. Everyone fucking goes the scale. And you wanna see gradual results. Yeah.

You don't wanna see it just like drops, like, you know, 20 pounds. Well, that's what we want, but people tend to want. They want to go, they want to go fast. Yeah, I'm saying there's a trainer, you're trying to pull that back. That's the problem. The problem is that we know what's best for them,

but they're gonna be fighting that. So there's the challenge is that, if you're lifting weights and you're eating properly and you weren't doing that months ago, and the scale is saying the same, you're probably one of these people. You're actually probably in the perfect place for your body, but that's where I see most people go wrong is, they don't even know that they're in that perfect place for your body, but that's where I see most people go wrong is they don't

even know that they're in that perfect zone of drop in body fat increasing muscle because they're lifting weights and they're eating better, but because their results, they're not seeing the results fast enough, they make it, this is where they make a bad decision. This is where they go, oh shit, I need to ramp it up. I need to do more. I'm going to drink it under like a thousand calories. That's right, I'm going to drop my calories super low or I'm going to increase my cardio or whatever. And now I want to, okay, good. Now I lost three or five pounds. But what they didn't know was they were actually

in a better place before they started doing that. So absolutely, it's very possible to build muscle and lose body fat. It takes more mental discipline. It takes more focus. It takes more patience discipline, it takes more focus, it takes more patience, but it is the ideal way to do things because then you aren't putting extra stress on the body that you don't need to because if you go into these hard bulks or these hard cuts, that's more stress that you're applying to the body that you don't necessarily need

to do to achieve the same results. Something else you want to keep in mind with this particular topic as well, is that an optimal hormone environment, hormonal environment will promote this, and in suboptimal hormonal environment, will promote the opposite. So if you're in a state of super high or just long-term stress and cortisol stays elevated for longer periods of time and

other antibiotic hormones lower and insulin sensitivity is poor. With the same calories and the same exercise regime studies have pointed several studies have pointed to increased fat storage studies have pointed to increased fat storage and reduced muscle or changes and where you store fat. You know, increased fat storage around the midsection is pretty strongly correlated now to higher cortisol levels and lower testosterone levels. So you want to be in this like build muscle loose fat range. So another reason why it's so hard, it that like, everything's gotta be in place, especially if you're experienced for this to happen.

If you're a beginner, like Adam was saying, those signals are, they're, they're, they're really loud to your body, real easy. If you're experienced, you gotta be in a nice, perfect state, man, shit has to be dialed. So. K-Mato's one. Can you discuss the obstacles you've overcome

as entrepreneurs? Oh, redo, I think it was really hard. There was a lot more to that. There's a lot more to that. I sent that over to the group thread. Can you guys discuss some of the obstacles you've overcome as entrepreneurs as individuals? Like with Mind Pump. How was your individual failures and successes helped continue to build Mind Pump today? You know, and he's asking about like, are any of our disagreements as well within MindPump, you know, opportunity cost, startup cost, all that stuff.

I can tell you on a personal level, I mean, I've been an entrepreneur since, I haven't worked for someone since I was 22. So since I was 22, I've been working for myself. And one of the biggest, initially, biggest challenges that I had was I had come from a large fitness organization. I had come from 25th Fitness,

I had opened some of the biggest clubs and run some of the biggest gyms. And I had, to my disposal, at my disposal, a pretty large marketing budget, a large machine that came behind me in terms of promoting whatever I was doing, hiring, you know, firing wasn't as difficult because it was easy to replace people. I had a captive audience because I had this big gym with thousands of workouts every day. Lots of visibility, I had brand recognition. So going in and making big changes,

I could go into a club and double, it's revenue, double. I mean, which is ridiculous, right? But I could do that within a month, no problem. Doing that on your own without brand recognition, without anybody knowing who you are, you have to go out and do this stuff without nearly as much exposure. I don't have thousands of workouts. I don't have hiring people or bringing people on board is more difficult because I don't have this big company that I can imagine trying to hire someone from Google, you can have a million

and one applicants versus, hey, you want to a million in one, you know, applicants versus, hey, you want to work for my startup that's in my garage. And so I found it, it was very different, like all of a sudden, if I wanted to affect the bottom line, it was a lot harder. I had to do a lot of things. It was more difficult to maneuver and move certain things. There were positives to it as well, but I found that it was a more difficult road. And of course, risk-taking,

I learned a valuable lesson with risk-taking because before I had kids, I took massive risks with my money. It was easy. I mean, I left running big health clubs, took my entire savings, which is a substantial amount. I had a lot of money, and dumped it all on a gym. I didn't think twice about it because if I lost it, you know, in my mind, first of all, I didn't even process if I lost it, but I didn't have to process.

It was me. I live with my parents who gives a shit, right? Now having kids and having a family and having responsibility and having a home, you know, holy shit, if I lose this money now, there's more people being affected. So I had to learn and maneuver, you know, that, or handle that particular obstacle of taking risks or being more calculated and how that would change my decision making process. So those were two big things moving forward

and I'm glad I had a small business on my own before starting a business like this with you guys, because it definitely made me a better entrepreneur in many different ways. It made me more patient in other, some ways, it made me more motivated in other ways. It made me more motivated in other ways. It made me understand the business cycle and I have more experience.

And where I want to go, it also helped me understand and appreciate other people's input more than when I first started working on my own. So being an entrepreneur is a constant learning. It's constant learning challenges, constant. I mean, nothing will challenge you. Maybe being a parent is probably the other thing that'll do it. Like, you are constantly challenging yourself

on how to grow and learn and how to react and behave because it's you. You can't blame it on anybody else. You can't just leave and go to another company. If you fail, you gotta look in the mirror. You kind of force to in a big fucking way. It's easy to make excuses when you work for other people. You know what I mean?

Like, oh, I was with that shitty company. It was bad management. Like you work for yourself and you're, something doesn't work. You gotta kind of look in the mirror like, well, I did some shit wrong. Like what was it? It stops with you.

Yeah, what did I do wrong and you got to accept it? That's really difficult to do. It's this constant learning curve. When you meet entrepreneurs that are very successful on the surface, it looks like these people just had everything going for them and they hit it. They hit the big leagues and they had a product that took off or they had a company that took off and you're like, wow, man, that person was a genius and they were lucky, right?

But what you don't know is before their product took off, like that dude or girl, like, has been fucking trying for a long time with different things. Like, you know, that actor that all of a sudden became successful, like, lived in a car for five years, or that dude that opened up that chain of, you know, restaurants that got successful, like, had a bunch of shit that failed before,

or, you know, I have a buddy who, went bankrupt several times, like several times went bankrupt, lost houses, went from hero to zero, and now is very, very successful. But if you just heard of his story of his last company, it sounds like this miraculous thing that happened. Oh wow, was in a year you became a millionaire. Well, I actually think that's the number one thing

that's important to me. I think that there's three things that come to mind right away with this, like as far as the obstacles of entrepreneurship that I've dealt with. And I think failure mentors and books, and I think number one failures, I think it's weird, but you have to have this mentality of, or at least I have this mentality issue

that you don't have to. There's obviously many ways you can make your millions. But I found that it was like a race to how many times I could fail. And I embraced the failure part of business as much as the success part of business. And because each time you failed, it was always a great learning experience.

That do you find, I wanna ask you this question because you and I are very similar on that because I'm like that too, Justin is too. We talk about this all time. Do you ever mind fuck yourself with that and think to yourself like, what if I'm just doing that to cope, you know what I mean to like make myself feel better

about the fact that I'm sucking? Do you ever get in that loop a little bit where you're like self-doubt and the fact that I'm sucking. Do you ever get in that loop a little bit where you're like, selfed out? Maybe, maybe I did early on. How did you deal with it? I don't even know if I did. I'm trying to just, trying to think back right now if I ever, I early on figured out this,

that the more I failed, the quicker I would get to this because every book I read, every story I read, every millionaire I met, always had this, they had all different things that maybe they had been through and books, the different books that they had read and different people they had surround themselves, but one of the things they all had in common was,

I never nailed it the first time. None of them did. None of them nailed it the first five times or the first 10 times. Exactly. And this is what I mean by, it was a race to how many, like I wanted, I wanted, I like one of the things I pride myself on right now is that I mean by it was a race to how many like I wanted I want to I want to I want to I like one of the things I pride myself on right now is that I can say that I've you know

I've done you know 15 20 different businesses like I've and lots of those were were failures or didn't turn into what I Expected them to turn into and some of them never turned into anything whatsoever so That to me was like I needed to get that under my belt. Like I felt like I had. So who cares? And this is also why too, I think that and I see this a lot with with my peers and people around me that are entrepreneurs that procrastinate so much, you know, that just, you know, paralysis by analysis, they're constantly analyzing their idea and focusing on all these little details of the business. And it reminds me of how we talk to clients about getting in shape.

It's like, you're so worried about the type of gym you're in, your target heart rate, all this other bullshit. It's like starting is the fucking biggest thing. You know, getting your ass moving in the right direction. So business I find is very similar is like when you have an idea and especially if you're passionate about it Fucking do it and start doing it now don't try and like oh, I want to make sure I got this right and make sure like my mentality was I'm gonna go I'm gonna run at this as hard as I can I'm probably gonna hit a wall and it's probably gonna hurt But I'm gonna probably figure out how to get around that wall

or over that wall if I hit that fucking thing enough time. So for me, failures was the first and foremost, was getting that out. Yeah, I think to kind of piggyback on that too. It's also recognizing a failed project. So that's a bad one. That's a hard thing to do. It's hard to let go.

Because this is what's going to determine whether you're an entrepreneur or you're an artist. Because people that want to hold onto that idea in the midst of failure, in the midst of criticism, and where they're just not going to let it die, you hold on too tightly to that. And so this has definitely been one of the lessons that I've learned through all of my different failures

and all of my different ideas and things that I just go 100% into it. You have to start assessing. And so there's like this fine balance with listening to criticism, getting feedback, but also being like so passionate about driving it to the finish line regardless of negative things and obstacles in between. You just have to keep that constant communication between both sides. What's the market here? Is there even

a market for it? You know, all that stuff. It's a working, living thing. See, I had a massive learning experience right around those lines in my career. I early on in my career, everything I touched succeeded. Everything I did was the best. I would go and do it, first became a trainer and I blew things away, then I became a trainer, and I blew things away, and then I became a fitness manager, and I blew things away, and then I would manage gyms, and I

was just, everything I put my hands on, I was the best, and that, in some ways, was awesome, and in other ways, it was very, very bad. It was bad because, as a kid... Talked you bad habits. Well, besides that, it goes even deeper than that, Adam. I mean, yes, it did, but it goes deeper than that. Because as a kid, I was, you know, my parents were very positive and family and I was always told that you're gonna do great things

and, you know, this and that. And, you know, I really believe them and then I was the oldest of four, so I assumed this leadership role. And so I have this Supreme sense of self-confidence Like I can do anything and I I honestly that's part of who I am and so here I am now Getting into these gyms 18 years old 19 years old and just blowing the doors off of you know people and

It's reinforcing this belief that I'm special. It's reinforcing this belief that I'm somehow this gifted, you know, individual who's amazing. You're the best. And this is why that's bad because then I went into doing it on my own. Now, if you go in, if you are working at a company and you're just one of the top people at your company and you think, wow, I'm going to go work on my own and I'm just going to fucking crush it. The order of magnitude in terms of difficulty and of succeeding on your own versus working for someone else is it's tremendous.

It's way more difficult to be a very successful, personal trainer on your own than it is to be a very successful personal trainer in a chain of gyms. That's just a fact. We've talked about this many times. If you can't succeed in a chain of gyms as a trainer or a sales guy, whatever, the chances are you won't be able to do it on your own. It's a fact. There are some people that may be able to, but for the most part, it's a big signal,

right? So I went to go do work on my own, and it was way more difficult. Way more difficult. I had to buy this facility, I invested lots of money in it, I had to bring people on board, I had to worry about all this organization, I had to, you know, do all these different things. It was a much bigger challenge doing it that way. And I did succeed, but it was much slower.

It wasn't like when I was at the gym, in the gym industry where I walk in, and just fucking blow it up, I walked in, I had to grind all of a sudden, and it was like this slow process, and it was like, what's going on here? And then at one point, I was doing pretty well, and I decided to expand, and I opened a second location,

which up into this point, a lot of my success was dependent on me, me, I'm the driver, I'm the one in there making it happen. And now I have two locations, now I'm spread thin, very difficult, much different, and I had to abandon ship, and the lessons that I learned from that were absolutely just so valuable to me. And one of the lessons that I learned was,

my supreme confidence wasn't in that I'm some fucking brilliant, like amazing person that can go in and just crush. My supreme confidence is in the fact that, no matter what happens, whether I succeed or fail, I'm gonna come out of it better. And that's where I rest my confidence now. I think Adam, you were talking about that.

Like you know, whether you win or lose, you're gonna come out better. You're gonna learn from it. It's not that you're fucking 100% I'm gonna succeed every time. That's not even the point. And of course you're going in there feeling you're gonna succeed.

It's just- I go, I literally go in to any idea that I have with this. I'm passionate about it. I think it's a great idea, and I'm gonna go out at as hard as I can, but I am fully okay with it not being a good idea, but I'm gonna find that out. And I'm gonna find that out firsthand.

I'm not gonna fucking wait from somebody else to do it, or you know, hear somebody else's opinion. If I feel passionate about something, so passionate that I wanna start a business in it, I'm gonna fucking do it. And if it fails, I'm not going to cry over spilled milk, I'm not going to hold on to it too long, like Justin was saying. I'm going to cut my ties on it, I'm going to learn from it, and then I'm going to be that much better when I go after the next one. So I think that is an important formula to reaching a certain level of success

of being able to turn those over at a fast enough rate that it doesn't beat you up. Because a lot of people get beat up over that and they dwell on it for too long, where me, I embrace it and say, like, awesome, I learn that you don't do that. I learn that you gotta do this. The other thing that is for sure,

a very, very close second is mentors. And mentors don't always necessarily have to be someone who's way older and wiser, but the people that are in your direct circle, and I don't remember where I was just reading recently, they're talking about, they say that your average income will be the average of the five people that you hang out with the most. So, you know, take a look at your circle of people that you spend the most time with and take their income, the five of them, and ask yourself if that their average is the amount of money that you're okay with making. Now, some't, they're not driven that way, they don't care if they're five best friends, all make 30 grand a year and, and they make 50 or they have to be above on that whatever and that's not your thing. But there is something to be

said about continually to surround yourself with people that are at your level or a higher level in business because I don't know how many great conversations I've had with men that are and women that are more successful than I am and being able to pick their brain and throw ideas at them and have them critique the things that you're doing. I mean, I just, I love to be a sponge and to surround myself like that. But I will say that this was a hard transition in my mid-20s because in my mid-20s I was still hanging out with my high school and college buddies a majority of the time and you know two of my high school buddies are very successful guys

So that's okay because they're my best friends and that's part of the reason why they're my childhood best friends and still best friends But then the other group of people that I was hanging out with maybe buddies that I was going out to the clubs with or flying out to Vegas or party and And doing things with and you know or other trainers that I liked going out to the clubs with or flying out to Vegas or party and doing things with and you know, or other trainers that I liked and we got along but then they weren't very successful what they did. And so I started to change my circle of influence. And it's hard when you are attached to people

because there's times that you're attached to friends for other reasons that aren't about making money and business and you know, when I became very driven and I remember reading this and I'm like, man, I've got to change. Like, I got to change something because what's happening in my life currently right now is not giving me a head like I want to. And part of that was letting go of people in my life and surrounding myself around those that were going to help elevate me.

So to me, I can't stress that enough is something that, you know, I know it's not a direct obstacle, other than the fact that it was tough for me to get rid of people in my life. But you know, you got to, if that person or those people aren't helping elevate you, they're most certainly holding you back. Most people, no, and this probably isn't this person

or whatever, most people to ask me questions like this as far as like, well, what's the obstacles, what's the barriers that you've experienced while developing this product that are doing this podcast or doing whatever? Like, most people in that situation are already in that category of paralysis by analysis, from my perspective, if you have to ask me that question and you're not already in it, then you're not an entrepreneur yet. Like ideas for me are invaluable,

are not valuable, I should say. Ideas are just ideas until you actually put the moving parts together and you just decide that you're gonna the moving parts together and you just decide that you're going to go step into it and do it. You can always pull out of it depending on how much you invest into it, but you know, like all these obstacles, you have to experience the obstacles as they come at you. It's not, it's not always predictable. And so the biggest the lesson too that I've experienced in creating things and like it like it there's no book for this

You know and there there are books for this which is hilarious to me because it doesn't apply to like each Individual product or business. They all experience different trials and obstacles It's it's about having the right people around you like Adam saying saying, but a lot of that is their mindset even in it, because the obstacles are what squash startups. And a lot of times if you don't have the ability to overcome these obstacles and think your way around problem solving, you know, you're never gonna make it. Yeah, it's funny. I'll see people who are not very talented. Maybe don't have a great idea for my opinion, but I recognize just how relentless they are. And how hard they were. And there's several people that we know

that we talk about that are like this. I don't want to name names obviously, because that would be hurting their feelings if they were listening. But there's people that I know who, you know, I'm like, well, you're not the most talented person. You don't have the greatest idea. But God damn it, you are relentless.

You are a horse. You are hardworking. You're not quitting. And I know like if they were a stock, I would invest money in them. For sure. I would definitely say one of your ideas is going to do at least a moderate level of success You might not blow up, but you're gonna be successful And I know it's gonna happen because you just don't quit and you continue to grow and learn and then there's people who I've met who are

Super until you know intelligent great idea But they just don't want to take the steps. They're afraid of taking any risk. It's not going anywhere, man. You're not going to swing the bat, you're not going to hit the ball. That's it. I don't care how good that.

Yeah. A big obstacle too that I think is really common in every business that I ever did too was, I don't care how much I was ready for it, how much I planned for it, how much I compared other businesses like it. It always ends up taking more time and making and costing more money. Like it.

Every time. It does not. It's like, okay, what's the projected budget? Yeah, let's go ahead and double that. Yeah, add 20%. Always. And I know it sounds cliche to say that, but you just gotta open up.

You gotta know that. You have to know that when you get into this monster that it's gonna take more time than you expected, it's gonna cost you more money than you expected. It's gonna be harder than you expected, no matter how great of an idea you think it is and how easy it's going to be, it never is. And anything worth anything isn't, you know,

anything that's ever fucking been worth anything at all as far as succeeding at it is always fucking hard it's always hard it's always longer than you expected lane norton said it best when he said you know success is the battle of attrition so true you literally are you know caught I don't know how many times we looked at each other when we were starting this business and it was like, fuck, any day now, any day now, when are we gonna finally reap some of the benefits for all these hours, all this free time that we're giving us stuff? And our experience helped us a lot

because we all walked into this with a lot of experience and had we not been as experienced, let's say we were just young, hungry, aggressive, unexperienced entrepreneurs, one of the things that we may have made a mistake on would have been that we may have tried to monetize too early. Because we had people when we first started. And it would have been deflating.

It would have been deflating. We initially had supplement companies and all these companies coming after us trying to pay us and we were looking long-term. We knew what our message was, we needed to maintain our integrity and we wanted to build an audience and give people, build lots of value. So we did this for a year without making a fucking cent. You know, that's a really good point.

You remind me of something. I just had this talk with somebody else. We're discussing how much, you know, God, now that we're been doing business for, you know, 15 plus years in my life. It's been fascinating to me to watch how much it's evolved and changed over the last five to 10 years. And, you know, a lot of companies have taken a page out of like the Facebook model. When you look at, you know, your Netflix and Googles's and all these companies that are up and coming are monsters now. It's really about building this network.

We're in this age now where we can get content delivered to a consumer like instantaneously. And it's like super quality and fast and accessible and user friendly. And there's so much free information that we're in a content war. And the sooner that you realize it. So if you're on an online business, if you happen to be somebody who thinks you're gonna go out and start a brick and mortar right now,

I guess, good luck. But, you know, we're in this, this era now where we can reach all over the world, which is awesome for business. It's exciting time. It's an exciting time because you can have it. If we, it's just different what we're doing. What we're doing as a business right now would not exist 15, 20 years ago, it just wouldn't like, Oh my God, how much money would it cost to deliver all the information? Yeah, we'd be in a CD store at Sam Giddell. It would have invested a half a million dollars here.

Yeah, it would just would not happen. So, you know, we're in this time where, you know, YouTubers now, on Thursday, I'm going to a concert to see a, you know, YouTube sensation. Somebody who, and she's from Australia and traveling all over the world now and probably making millions and nobody knew who she was like two years ago. That's so fucking fascinating to me that we have this ability.

Now knowing that, something that it took me a while to kind of put this together for this business was, you know, Sal brought it up. Like we probably would have monetized earlier. And everybody, when you start putting work into a business and you start building it, everybody wants to get paid back, like obviously, that's why you're working, right? You're busting your ass, you're working these long hours because you want to get fucking paid. So I understand the desire to, let's sell this or let's start making money or let's turn the fucking switch on, but really we're in a different time now. Really, it's about building your network, you but really we're in a different time now.

Really, it's about building your network. You're true. I've said this a bunch of times in this podcast too, that your true net worth is your net circle. We are in this race to just build your circle and how big can you, and if that requires you to give a ton of good free information, then that's kind of the model right now. It's really similar, like I said, to like your Facebook, your Netflix, they give out so

much good free content that it becomes a no-brainer that, of course, I would pay that $9 a month or, of course, I would buy a program from these guys. They've given me 400 hours full of information. A lot of our consumers, I remember when we first started monetizing, we waited till we were like 100 and something episodes in. And so when they did purchase from us, it was like, you know, I don't even care what's in it. I feel like I owe these guys, you know, 100 and something bucks just because I've listened to them for over hundreds of hours of information. And so our goal is to constantly be inundating the consumer

with good, free information and entertaining information for them. So we get them in our network. And then in there, I'm sure we'll find something where they want to purchase. And we end up either being the person who can deliver that or somebody who can connect that. It's an interesting relationship building processes, isn't it?

Yeah. Which is new. Very. It's very new in the market. Very, very different. And the sooner you realize that this is the future of how business will be done, you know, it's the more successful you can be.

I mean, Facebook did it make money for a long time, right? Very long time. Yeah, for a very, very long time. And now they're one of the more powerful people. And they could have the point that most people don't understand is about the fan base. Is they could have, you know, there long time. And now they're one of the more powerful people. And they could have, the point that most people don't understand about the fanbase is they could have. You know, there was a time when they had

mammalian people and they could have been selling advertisement all over the place and they could have sold the company and they could have done a lot of different things like that. But, you know, what they, what, you know, Zeta Bergnew and what some of your big guys know now and some of these monster companies is that, you know, the money will come.

In fact, that's, there's actually a model where you build an app or an website that's free or at least operates even a small loss. You build a massive audience and then you sell that company to a large company like Facebook. Like, oh, I own this, you know, app that we have, you know, 20 million subscribers. So, they're data. They just want that. they just want that. We're in the age of data. And so that's the thing too.

That's another thing that is part of business that was not really a focus because the more analytics and the more things that we can extract from people's daily lives, that becomes very valuable to big businesses. So, you know, along those lines, there's plenty of opportunities out there to have an idea where you see a need in the market and pursue it, but you just have to be 100% available to risk and put yourself out there,

not make barely any money, get criticized for what you're doing, and you just gotta just keep at it. It's a lot like dating. Yeah. You just got, it's totally like dating. It's a lot of life dating. It's a lot of life dating. The more, the more chicks you bang,

the better the better man you will be in a relationship. That's a great way to, you do. You gotta get as many as you can. I get a mark of the belt, and the better you will be in your relationship. The minute positions is possible. I don't know if that's good advice,

but it's definitely a wizardly advice. Sure. Eldoa coming up, this is a certification that's happening here in March at Mind Pump Media Studios. It's on March 11th and 12th. Eldoa is a very valuable, especially if you're a corrective exercise based trainer or your trainer that really wants to add value to what you do for your clients.

LDOA is a method of creating traction in the body naturally through fascist stretching to lengthen the spine and alleviate pain. It's actually very fascinating certification course. It's an up and coming one. I'm very excited to be a part of what it's happening here. March 11th and 12th, you can sign up for it. I believe the website, if I'm not mistaken, is a beach fitness. Yeah, beach fitness upper right hand corner. There's a drop down menu. That's

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