Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 504: The Truth About Pre-Workout Supplements

Episode Date: May 8, 2017

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. So we just did an episode where we railed on some supplement companies. We ran a train. We actually... We banged them. Well, we actually named them.

We actually named them. Yeah, well, so, I mean, this is the preview to what's gonna go in this episode. Let them know. We get into the top supplements. We get into C4. We get into pre-jim. We get into the nitroflex by GAT.

We get into the Dr. Jack Monser. Mr. Hyde pre-workout. We get into all kinds of the top pre-workouts that are out there. That crack that you love. If you're curious to what is in those supplements pre-caged, or you're someone that's taking that one, all kinds of different supplements, if you guys are somebody that's taking those supplements, we break down all the different things that are being put into these labels

that are what they're causing you to feel the way that you're doing. And we're basically explaining why they're always the money. Now, if you really want to do something that will enhance your workout, one of the best things you could do statistically is prime your workouts properly, prime yourself properly based on the way your body moves, based on your imbalances, based on your recruitment patterns, based on the exercises you're about to go do.

So it'll make your deadlifts more effective, your squats more effective, your bench press more effective. All of this with simple priming that takes you five to 10 minutes before you work out. Now of course, we have a program that tackles this and teaches you how to program what you do when you prime. And it's called Maps Prime. And it's available at mindpumpmedia.com.

It costs a little bit more than your pre-workout supplement, but you don't have to buy it every single month. And it's not a waste of money. It'll give you way more return on your investment. You'll see more muscle from it, better strength, better recruitment patterns, better movement. It's not a waste. It's Maps Prime.

It's available at mine pump media.com Hey guys, how I should ask you Adam because you're the you're the allergy expert. Is it just is it fucking crazy right now? It's just made it really bad. T dogs got it too. He we are parking lot is bad. I stepped out. Sneezing like a mother is a motherfucker right here comes and blows all that shit around to there's nothing It's crazy when you have really bad allergies like I can see the allergies I can see I can be inside you're like me when the man totally I'm not kidding I'll be inside and I'll look at my girl you did that cool bitch just moved to avoid pollen so what what, no, you guys know what that is right why it gets crazy So the way plants reproduce is they produce a shit ton. Yeah, it's firm

It's we are literally getting it in semen on it. I was getting not semen from human come all over You're getting it's plank. Yeah, you're getting buccacchi by a bunch of plants. Yeah, it's with plan come over your face Yeah, so I'm not I don't normally get allergies, but fuck me, man. It's like, my nose is pregnant. Dude, it feels like the inside of my nose has ants. I'm sneezing all the time. And then I feel like I'm stuck inside of a cloud.

Is it make you tired, allergies? Cause that's what it's doing to me. Dude, it's watery. When you have them and you haven't really bad, like someone like me, you have so much more patience for people that do and you have them really bad, like someone like me, you have so much more patience for people that do and you have it under, like it's like being sick all the time.

And it's crazy because you're not. You just get used to it. Like a lot of times, if it's like really bad allergy season and I actually do get sick, I'm like confused for like the first day or two of it. Like I'm like, is this a bad cold or is this just really bad allergies right now? I can't even really tell until I start seeing like the mucus that's coming out or whatever, then I can see the color of it, like I'm like, is this a bad cold? Or is this just really bad allergies right now? I can't even really tell until I start seeing

like the mucus that's coming out or whatever, then I can see the color of it, and I'm like, oh fuck, I'm sick. Oh shit. This is from that random chick. And yeah, right, and different, so different times, like we'll give me different symptoms, right? So if it's grass and that's what's high right now,

like then it's like I have itchy eyes, but everything else is fine. If it's like, you know, tree stuff or dust, then it's, then I get like an itchy scratchy throat. And like, so different thing, whatever, like so if you get in the news, does this like all the time, right? And then there's apps that you can have this

that show you like what's high right now as far as allergies. And whatever one it is, I can tell by what my symptoms are. Runny nose, itchy eyes. Do you get them up, Justin? I do. Well, not as bad as I used to when I was a kid. I used to get migraines and everything, dude.

It was horrible. Yeah, especially the grass shavings for some reason, that really killed me. I would play soccer and everything, and I would just have these huge migraines afterwards. So let me ask you guys This do you take allergy met? I know you you have to right Adam. No, I try not to so I have I have them in every vehicle And I have them at home. Okay. Yeah in case I could my goal is always like I haven't taken one today

But I did have to take one yesterday So I'll go through my day as long as I can and not take them Until it's like it becomes unbearable. So here's the thing with allergy medicines. They're all over the counter now, right? And they're promoted as something you take all the time. Like, people's attitudes towards allergy medicines, like claritin or zirtec or all the other popular ones, is that they're super, super safe for everyday long,

long, long term use. Like anytime I talk to someone about allergy medicines, it's like not a big deal to take them all the time. I don't know if you guys knew this or not, but all the popular allergy medicines are being starting to be connected to dementia later on in life. Another one, you're warning me about priceless. What? What they do is they actually...

Actually, they actually interfere with acetylcholine production in the brain. And acetylcholine is a very important neurotransmitter. So one thing that I was thinking is, if somebody does take allergy medicines all the time, then they might want to at least supplement with something like colon. Coling is the building block for acetylcholine and theoretically it could help your brains

production of acetylcholine. So hopefully it'll mitigate a little bit of the potential long term damage. And I do understand that, you know, there's a whole quality of life thing, right? Like if you're just horribly miserable with allergies. Plague with it. Yeah, it's like risk versus reward. Like I'm not enjoying my life, everything sucks. Well, that's how I treat it, right?

Because that's exactly it. It's, my goal is to not take it. And if I sneeze a couple times, or I get a blow my nose once or twice, I can handle that. Or you go chop that tree down. But some days, it gets so bad that it's like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,. It makes sense to me. Well, the other thing too is, the way that these drugs work is they're not handling the root cause of your allergies, right?

What they're doing is they're interrupting the symptom of the cause of your allergy. The problem with interrupting a symptom of something is that your body has these safe card mechanisms and what it will do is it will start to adapt to this, you know, whatever you're doing to interrupt the symptom and it'll upregulate or downregulate receptors, it'll change production of certain chemicals because now it knows that you're, you know, you're having you're blocking this particular symptom. So an easy example would be like if somebody were to take a hormone like testosterone, your body stops producing its own testosterone because it senses it.

Well, if you're taking an allergy medicine, what you'll notice when you stop taking it, so let's say you take one for a year, is you have a rebound effect, like you go off of them and your allergies at first are way worse than they were before. And then you have to kind of slowly, so what I did was, because I took Claretin or Zertec for Probably at least a few years consistently like every day consistently every single day. Oh wow is I had to Go down to a half a dose and then I stayed on that for a while then I went down to half a dose every other day Then I went on a half a dose every three days and then I went on a half a dose every three days, and then I went on none. Because when I would go full off within three days, I'd get hives, I'd get like,

so all these symptoms I never had before. Walk me through like a natural process of how your body sort of combats this. Is it produces like histamines to combat or to upregulate that? So with allergies, you wanna be in a state of low inflammation in your body number one because inflammation will only increase or enhance the symptom of allergies, right? So, you know, eat healthy, don't eat foods that you're going to. So you're saying like high inflammatory foods can actually increase like the allergies? So allergies on their own are inflammatory, right?

So when you get sinus allergies, your sinuses get inflamed. Yeah, I get that. So reducing being in a low inflammatory state theoretically, and again, I don't think there's any evidence to support this on a scientific level, but anecdotally lowering, for example, kids with asthma, they'll notice that when kids, you talk to a lot of parents who have kids with asthma, if they like don't

have dairy, for example, like, oh, I don't get as much asthma when I don't have as much dairy, or if I eliminate gluten, I don't get, you know, asthma symptoms. This is true for, this could be true for all allergies. So a low inflammatory state would be no foods or little foods that you have intolerances to. A good sleep. I think you'll notice when you're in a shitty, like a real bad sleep and you're real tired, you're probably get worse allergy symptoms. So basically being a state that's low inflammatory.

Well, that makes sense because your body has all these different operating systems. And if you have a bunch of operating systems that are under a ton of stress, and then you're also on top of that allergic and high allergies right now. So that makes sense to keep other operating systems, you know, like suppressed or lower or not having to run hardcore. So I get that.

And then the thing is exposure. So what the first thing we want to do is avoid allergens completely. Like, okay, I'm allergic to the grass outside. So I'm just going to fucking stay inside and put the AC on all time. And what happens is you actually get worse allergies towards that grass when you do get exposed.

So you want to expose yourself little by little. There's also evidence. You can still build a little bit of a whormetic effect like as you adapt to it. So for example, children who grow up on farms Statistically have far fewer allergies than kids who grow up in urban areas and air conditioned, you know, clean Arbit too, I you know with with local honey and Look at honey like that's a that's a something that Yes, and there's a little bit's something that you have to go through. There's some evidence to show that consuming honey

produced locally, because the bees, of course, produced the honey off of pollen that's on the local allergens or whatever, that that will also desensitize your body and help over time reduce allergies. Lastly, you can use natural things to help mitigate the symptoms. For example, if you have lots of sinus inflammation, you could take bromalin on an empty stomach a couple times a day and you will have reduced systemic inflammation, but definitely in the sinuses.

Just a few little tips. Again, it's kind of that, risk versus reward thing. The reward being, if I'm completely miserable and I can't do my work and I'm just hating life, then it's worth it to take this allergy medicine. But if I can do it without it, then I may be better. Well, chronic yeast is always something

to be somewhat concerned about always having to take something for something that your body can naturally sort of fight off and produce on its own. Absolutely, absolutely. So, I mean, I think this brings us right into the topic we want to talk about, right? Well, I love sharing,

or being transparent with what's going on behind the scenes with the business and something that we're going through right now for all listeners that care about the business side is we're re-structuring and building the website out and you know this entire time this business has survived off of just organic growth. People listen to the podcast and it's full of tons of free information. They go over to our listen to their friend or whatever. Well, and then you also have the YouTube channel that we've built out over 250 videos.

There's over 25 different playlists on there that we've created all this, and then you've written all kinds of blogs, we've put all kinds of information. So tons of free content, so we've grown pretty well organically, but we really haven't marketed ourselves or tried to advertise it all.

And we were really hesitant. And I remember we hired a company last year and ended up firing him. And we finally found somebody who we're excited to work with. And so we're in the process right now of, you know, how do we do that? How do you build these funnels on the internet to drive traffic to people to podcasts that have never heard who the fuck we are or what we're what we're all about? So we're in the process right now of kind of revisiting some of our early on topics that we used to talk about. And one of the things that gave a lot of traction to mind pump was when we started coming

out and telling people what pre workouts were really all about. Pre workout supplements. Yeah. And how much money you could save because they really are fucking worthless for the most part. It's funny because a lot of kids right now, you know, and kids for me is anybody under the age of 30 who are working out. They have no idea that the pre-workout category of supplements didn't exist until, I don't know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Before that, there was no category of supplements called pre-workouts. And what supplement companies are very, very smart at

and what they've been smart at is attaching a supplement to something that people do every day when they go to the gym, which is workout. And create rituals around what you're already doing. Exactly. It's brilliant. It is brilliant. So instead of taking your supplement like whenever, it's like, hey, you're going to work

out every day anyway, you're consistent working out. Take this before you work out. So now it becomes a part of your workout or take this after you work out. Isn't it? And it was brilliant. Don't you think it's so crazy and strange that how hard it is? So think of all the people that you've coached and trained and you've had this conversation with, I have the hardest time with 20 to 29 year olds

or lower even 15 to 29 year olds that asked this question. And it didn't dawn on to me to literally, you just said that right now when you were talking about when this came about and I'm like, fuck, that's why. Yeah, like. This is all I know. Yeah, if you've never like pre workout, not only is pre workouts, the, if you look at like bodybuilding. Yeah, like, yeah, if you've never like pre workout, not only is pre workouts,

the, if you look at like bodybuilding.com, like, and you just Google top 10 supplements, like literally like five to seven of them are pre workouts. So to think that if you're somebody that's younger than 30 years old, you've pretty much grown up with being marketed to that, you know, pre workout, pre workout, pre workout. And so trying to convince those that people that that's not necessary for you to have a very productive or successful workout or to build muscle or burn fat. No, and if you read articles online on fitness,

like how to work out better, how to get a better bench, how to do whatever, all of them will tie you to, or most of them will tie you to a supplement, and a lot of them it is pre-workout supplement. So, you'll read this article, and it'll tell you the best chest workout, and then in the workout itself, I've seen this a million times. They will literally map out your workout, which they spent a grand total of 30 seconds doing. They just said, okay, throw some chest exercises up there, because programming means nothing to them. But then in there, they'll say 15 minutes before,

drink super blast, whatever, and intraday workout. Make sure you drink this supplement. After you work out, you do this. So you're reading this thing, like here's my new workout that I'm gonna do today in the gym and oh, it says to buy these supplements. And so, that's the point that I guarantee you guys are just like me, where a majority of people don't ever ask me a programming question,

a majority of people ask me, what supplement do I get? Oh my God, it's crazy. What supplement do I take? What time do I take it? When's the best? What's the best? Like, that's always what people hit you up with, and I wanna just pull a little bit of hair I have left

out of my head, because I'm like, dude, it's in it. Don't do it. If you only knew how little of a difference this is going to make it makes no difference. And the amount of money that you save like they're not fucking cheap. Man, I'm telling you right now of you know if you were to look at the top selling supplements. Let's pull it up. Protein show me what what's it.

What are the top. So what I want to do is I want to click. I want to actually call supplements out and I want to click on them. I want to look at the ingredients. Oh wow. We're going to fucking clown on them. Let's take the top ones. But before we do that, let's just real quick, a little overview.

Okay. There's a few reasons why it's pre-workout because I know people are thinking, well, if they're not, if they don't do anything, the way that it's so popular, I'll tell you why. Number one. Sometimes people are cheap. Sometimes the majority just means all the fools are on the same side. Well, yes. And here's the thing.

Number one, they've attached it to a ritual, which is exercise. So that's number one, very, very, very smart and brilliant tool. And marketers have known this for a long time. There's an old saying that during the gold rush, the people who became the rich during the gold rush were the guys that sold the pickaxes and the shovels. It wasn't the guys going to look for gold. There are a few people became rich, finding gold.

It was everybody who supplemented that, right? So what they're doing is they're trying to supplement something that people do when they're into working out, which is working out, so they made that ritual. But number two, they did this very effectively as well, is they put ingredients in this pre-workout that when you take it, you feel fucking amazing, you feel like you're on fire, and you build a very strong tolerance to, and there's an addictive problem.

I would say, and there's an addictive property to it. That's right. Let's not forget that. That's right, and it's stimulus. And you adapt to it really quickly. Very quickly. And so, they're heavy and stimulant. So, what happens is, if I'm the, you know, let's say I'm a 20 year old kid, you know,

20 year old guy or girl, and I'm really serious about working out, and I'm, you know, I'm inundated with all this information, all this bullshit information on supplements, and you got to take this pre-workout, helps you build muscle, helps you build muscle, helps you burn fat, whatever. And I go to a convention convention and I get a free sample of a fucking pre-workout. And I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna try this out.

I'm gonna see what happens. And the first time I take it, I'm a fucking fire. Like I drink it and this stimulant you want to go run laps. This stimulant hit my system. My brain is just flooded with dopamine and all these neurotransmitters that are making the highest fuck because that's what's happening. I'm super hyper. I have a crazy workout and remember

most people connect the intensity of the workout to the effectiveness. So now I'm thinking holy shit, I worked out way harder than I normally do and I was in the gym for like an hour and a half and I did cardio and I feel so great, I feel so hyped. Now I'm like, I wanna buy this amazing product because it feels so good. Right. And what happens over time is I take this supplement, take this supplement, it starts to slowly not work,

I start to feel shitty and I end up looking for one that's even stronger and that's what ends up happening. Actually, no matter fact, there's forums dedicated to people going off pre-workouts because it's lost that's magic is what they'll say or I need to find a difference. Now in terms of what it's doing for you It's not helping you build more muscle. It is not helping you burn more body fat. In fact It's probably doing the opposite because of all the stimulants. Okay, well before you talk about what it's not doing Let's talk about how they can get away with that. Why can they say that this pre-workout helps you burn fat?

We'll address that first because the ones that say they can build muscle are different from the ones that are in the stomach. Genic effect, bro. Right, which is what? So I can take the same, so you can take the best pre-workout on the market and you can read all the science behind it that

supports why it helps you burn fat. I can take that same shit behind a cup of coffee and say the same stuff. Of course. Because the idea is that anything that affects your central nervous system, that that elevates your heart rate, that's thermogenic, like Justin said, is going to speed your heart rate up. If we were to take your day and we would count how many times your heart beats the entire day, right? Let's just say for hypothetical reasons, it beats 100,000 times. I have no idea if that's even close or not. So 100,000 times it beats.

You get on pre workout, it beats 110,000 times. Those 10,000 more heart beats throughout the day require more energy, more blood, more calories are having to be spent. Therefore I can say this supplement can help you burn fat. You can say that. And we look, fat burning supplements just don't work. If they did, then they would have solved the obesity epidemic. They don't work. What they do is they feel great, but you do build up a tolerance very quickly. In fact, fat burning supplements that pro bodybuilders use, that are illegal, like clean butyl, they work for a very short period of time.

They'll take them for a week or two and that's it. Because after that your body gets adapted. Same thing happens with stimulants, and you know this if you've taken a pre-workout, is you get great fucking workouts for like a week and a half, two weeks or whatever, and then they kind of stop. And by the way, great workouts, I put in quotation because really you're just working out harder,

but it's not necessarily better. You may be adding more damage that you got to recover from. And here's what you need to realize when I flood my body with stimulants, what I'm doing is I'm putting my body in an artificial fight or flight response. I'm elevating stress chemicals and stress hormones, all of which are ditched from menal to building muscle. You take lots of stimulants, you do get a spike in cortisol. Now you keep that up over, not into short term, cortisol will give you more energy, but in a long term, it starts to burn muscle. And I know, I've known plenty of

people I've trained who I've taken them off, fat burners or pre workouts, gotten their body to readjust, their workouts got even better and they started building muscle again because they were so gacked on this high stress, their body was in this high stress state all the time that it was catabolic. They were actually burning muscle the entire time.

Really the only ingredient in a pre workout supplement that'll do anything for his creating Yeah, which by the way you could find Super cheap online and which by the way and not all of them have that no very few have that like so this is where they really get you They now they they market you like this pre workout intro workout post workout So now I'm gonna fucking hit really intro work. Yes, yeah, they are intro There are intro work at work out moments. There's post workout supplements. And so this is how it works.

You get your all your shit that are stimulants, right? That's in there. Then you get your intro, which is typically your branch chain, your creatine, those type of stuff. And then your post, which is like a combination of all that stuff except for the stimulants at the end, right? So that's what you're nagging. So they like, and it's you get these three.

And then, you know, what ends up happening, right? His all these companies, there's your pharmacy, the, the battle and the shit talking that goes back and forth is like, which is pure, which has more of the better things. Like so like when you talk to guys, I remember, I remember like when we had Joe D on the show and like his whole marketing scheme behind his supplement is like, dude, look at the back of how many grams of like caffeine and shit, like he has like all the highest.

Like if you're not a pre workout person, then you took his, you will be flying because it's so strong. And so that that's their marketing strategy. It's like, okay, we're gonna attack all these. We're gonna make you feel this the most. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna make you feel the stimulant more than anybody else and then we're gonna call out all these other supplement companies that Oh, they barely putting you that in there. Oh, this is this is the most effective piece of the supplement

And they only have 0.5 grams We have 1.5 grams and then they'll market it like this three times more or three times more effective than this Well, it has three times more of the fucking caffeine so they can get away by marketing that way. I was shaking for three hours. Yeah. In reality, it's really not that much better. No, and here's the thing, like even something like protein, like we know protein is essential for the body

and we know protein is used to build muscle. Does more protein build more muscle? Up to a certain point, not at all. In fact, if we go infinite with that, and I'm like, I'm gonna need a thousand grams of protein today, I'm gonna hurt myself, get sick, not build more muscle. And that's true for almost any ingredient. So if they say, hey, study show that 150 milligrams

of caffeine, improve fat oxidation, improve concentration, people were able to do two more reps based to fatigue or whatever, that doesn't mean 500 milligrams of caffeine is better. In fact, 500 milligrams of caffeine for a lot of people will be far worse, will reduce performance and cause lots of problems. So, you know, that's just the supplement mantra, right? Well, if something works a little bit more works better, which is never so down. So, pre-workouts, and the reason why we're talking about stimulants is because if you eliminate the stimulants at a pre-workout, nobody would buy them. It's a fact.

It's a fact. Like, pre-workout supplements that have no stimulants don't sell shit. They just don't make any money off of them at all. Because you can't feel them. You can't feel them. They don't do anything for you. It's all about the stimulants. The most popular ones have a lot of the most powerful stimulants.

Now, the way pre-workouts are marketed is like this. They're supposed to give you more energy to work out. That's the stimulants. They're supposed to give your muscles better things for recovery. Those are the random amino acids, or the branch amino acids, or whatever they put in there.

And they're supposed to improve blood flow, which is supposed to give you a better pump, which is never been proven and has been shown in study after study after study that it does not equate to more muscle. So I think we should break them down. I think we should go on supplement. Let's take the top supplement. Let's find the top supplement, the pre-workout.

Let's break down like the top three years of our life. Where are we sourcing this? This is by the way. So we pre-workout. Let's break down like the top three years of our life. Is this it right here? Where are we sourcing this is? So we're on bodybuilding.com, which is one of the largest supplement retailers online. In fact, I think bodybuilding.com is one of the largest websites. So this is more of a popularity contest.

Yes, yes. So what sells the most? So they ranked, they're ranking their top 10. And so the number one ranked pre-workout according to BodyBuilding.com is Jim, pre-Jim, 4136 reviews just on that several notes. So let's look at the product, Doug, if you don't mind. And let's look at the ingredients of this product.

To go to that first page, you had up, Doug. Oh, there you go. So before we look at there, you know, where they're trying to sell you, how much this and that has, go down to the actual ingredient ingredient. I want to see what the, like, you know, we're show, like, like the other ingredients. Here we go. So first ingredient, Dextrose. Sugar.

Let's talk. Okay. Hold on. Let's teach you how to read a label a bit. No, no, I'm serious. A lot of people don't understand that when you, when you read, uh, the ingredients, they order them in the, uh, of what has the most inside the supplement. A lot of people don't know that. So, and I, I typically tell people the first three is a majority of like, what is in that. And this goes for all food

labels. So if you flip a food label around and it says where the ingredients, the order that it's written in is the order of what's most abundant in that supplement. Right. So first ingredient, Dextrose, Sugar, Natural and Artificial Flavors. Is the second highest thing in there. So it's probably sucralose. I would assume. Right. Number 57. Yeah, because sucralose, oh, they're sucralose right there right after calcium silicate Calcium silicate I believe is in there to keep it from binding if I'm not mistaken sucralose is the very popular artificial sweetener which has been shown Pretty conclusively to fundamentally alter gut flora and if you've been listening to mine pump

You know how bad of an idea it is to fuck with your gut flora everything from health you've been listening to Mind Pump, you know how bad of an idea it is to fuck with your gut flora. Everything from health to your cravings to, you know, gaining fat and building muscle is tied to gut flora and altering that. We'll fuck with all those things. And if you take a pre-workout, every single time you work out, you're taking a lot of sucralose. Some more artificial flavors, and then a bunch of artificial coloring, which you gotta ask yourself this, okay? If you're listening to this, I can understand why there's artificial flavoring, right?

People wanna drink something that tastes good, color? Like, what the fuck is that? Why? Because people like shit to be color familiarized. Well, let's put it this way. Remember when ketchup came out with green ketchup, nobody bought ketchup? it's fucking disgusting. It's this weird perception, we expect things to look

as certainly way. And I want people to be intelligent and be objective. Think of it this way. Think of what is your objective with supplements? What is your desired outcome? Is my desired outcome to drink a tasty, fruity, colorful drink? If that's my desired outcome, I will bet you, I'll tell you this right now, there's a million and one different drinks I could take that tastes better and have better colors than the

supplement. Well, you know what's interesting, you know why there's the super bright colored and like crazy like that? Like, think about the commercials we grew up with like in all grades. And so I that where they would do black and white and then you see like this crazy vibrant orange. Well not only just Gator, I'm talking about like like sugar cereals and like cool aid and everything

was like super bright colors. You do realize that humans naturally are attracted to bright vibrant colors because in nature that signifies high nutrient content. Like if you go in nature and you're walking around and you're hungry and you see a tree with fucking bone fruit all over it that's just vibrant colors or berries or roots that have these wonderful colors. And you know, when I crack an egg from a chicken, that's bright orange yellow.

Yeah, bright orange, you know, yolk, like it means high nutrient content. What they're doing is they're tricking you by putting in some bullshit color, which by the way, artificial colors now are more and more connected to health problems, including- And the irony is they serve no purpose in this.

Nothing, just color. They serve like so when we make our, because we make a, I remember we put this on our website way back when, is we used to, you know, tell people, okay, if you won't give up your pre workout, here's how you make it from the raw ingredients. So at least you're eliminating some of the shit that you don't even need in there,

which is all this fake coloring and stuff. So here's the one that I think is crazy. Caffeine, 300 milligrams. Let's talk about the serving. there, which is all this fake coloring and stuff. So here's the one that I think is crazy. Caffeine, 300 milligrams. Let's talk about that. Well, serving. Okay, a cup of coffee is what, 35 to 50 milligrams is a cup of coffee. No, no, no, no. So a shot of espresso will be about 75 milligrams. That's a shot of espresso. One cup of coffee is less than an espresso.

Per volume, but the fact that you're having this like more volume, so a typical Starbucks eight ounce cup of coffee will be around 200 milligrams. So they're giving you a pretty strong cup of coffee per serving. How many scoops is per serving there, Doug? One scoop. Yeah. Now if you go to the bottom, does it take, does it say you take one or two scoops? It says serving size is one, so it's one. So 300 milligrams just from the cafe.

So it's basically like to you an eventy, a venty cup, it says, one, so it's one. So 300 milligrams just from the cafe. So it's basically like, teeny, a venti cup of coffee from Starbucks. Oh, by the way, before you put the other stimulus. By the way, the red number 40 dye, I knew there was an issue with it because I have a family member who's got lots of allergies and all this kind of stuff.

Red 40 number dye has been linked to hyperactivity in kids and has been shown to give some side effects to mice as well. Reproductive side effects. So red number 40, very popular food coloring and it's been connected to some things that aren't so good for you. So I wanted to make sure I said that. Yes, caffeine, 300 milligrams. It's a nice hefty dose of caffeine. That's what you're feeling when you take pre-gym. That's what's making you get all hyped up. But let's look at the other ingredients, right? Because it's gonna say,

oh, here's all these great things that are gonna help you build muscle. So, creatine hydrochloride. So two grams of creatine. Creatine will help you build muscle, definitely. Yeah, but let's talk even about that. It's such a low dose of it Well, it's two grams You typically want to take three of three of five. Yeah, three to five

You can get I can get way more servings of crating for less money than buying this this particular pre workout So if you want to take crating because it does work for most people I would buy Pure Crating and is it the beta Allen or the Sitchling that gives you the tingle-leaf fingers? because it does work for most people, I would buy pure creatine, is it the beta-allene or the citrally that gives you the tingle-leaf fingers? So they have beta-allene in there, which is they call carnosine,

which is a brand name of beta-allene. Beta-allene will increase histamine under the skin, so you might get a little tingle-leaf sensation. Beta-allene in studies was shown to improve endurance. So endurance athletes will have a little bit more endurance because it buffers lactic acid in muscles. Is the effect large? Hmm, not really.

Probably you won't be able to tell. In fact, if we eliminated the caffeine in the creatine and you just took everything else, we'll go over all the other stuff. You're not gonna really notice much of a difference at all. So there's beta aline, beta, betaane is in there also. Also one of those supplements that was shown

to reduce certain markers within muscle, torrine increases, you know, certain neurotransmitter production in the brain theoretically. If we go down the list, you know, citralline, here we go. Let's talk about citralline for a second, because that's a main ingredient in a pre-workout. It used to be arganine, but now everybody's using citralline, because citralline raises arganine levels in the blood

more than arganine does, because arganine gets destroyed by the liver and the kidneys, whereas citralline doesn't. So why do you want more arganine in the blood? Because argonine is used to make nitric oxide. Why do you want more nitric oxide? Nitric oxide relaxes blood vessels. So theoretically, it will increase blood flow. Oh, wait a minute, I'm gonna get pump needs blood flow. That means if I take this, I'll get a better pump.

No. And the theory behind that. Pump your brakes right there. Well, and the theory behind that. Pump your brakes right there. Well, and the theory behind that, and where they will say that supplements build muscle is, okay, I can get more blood flow to more more blood flow to more muscles, more oxygen to my muscles, which means speeding up recovery and more nutrients are getting to the muscles to help build them. That's right.

So that's how they take that little bit of science. Exactly. And if you manipulate it to tell you that it builds muscle, increases the pump and does all these magnificent things that are just supposed to be game changing. That's right. That's right. So exactly what Adam said. Oh, wait a minute. Nitric oxide opens blood vessels. Oh, and then they'll start connecting the dots. So the rest of it is them making shit up. Like the first part, Citroën increases organine in the blood, correct. Does that mean you get a rise in nitric oxide?

Studies will show in people with blood pressure issues and in some cases of erectile dysfunction due to blood pressure that it does. Does this mean it will do it to healthy people, not necessarily? And then they take it a step further. More nitric oxide means a better pump. No, actually, there's no science.

There's zero studies showing that you get a better, quote unquote, pump and a pump is so subjective, I don't even know how you would fucking study that to begin with. Right. You know, what's gonna give you a better pump and so many things are connected to having a pump. And that'll lead that, but a lot of the reason is why getting a pump leads to more muscle.

A lot of it has to do with the environment, your body's in, that allows you to get a better pump. So you're more hydrated, you have a better diet, you're more recovered, better sleep. So now I get a better pump, but is it the pump that build more muscle or is it the environment that I was in that allowed me to get a pump better pump? Does that make sense? Totally. So, but will the pump itself maybe build more muscle? Perhaps it will, but is that tied to supplements or is it more tied to diet and your workout? Yeah.

That's the key. So, here's the thing that I always ask people when they debate me on pre-workout supplements. Take out the creatine, okay, because if you give it someone creatine who's not taking it, they're gonna build more muscle. Take the creatine out. Take a pre-workout,

and I wanna see the study that shows taking a pre-workout builds more muscle than not. I wanna see that study. Guess what, none of them exist. Yeah, of course they don't exist. And they've done studies on it, and they've all shown, it doesn't do shit. That's what, this is a fuel thing,

people buy this for the feeling into their work. Now, it also, pre-jem also contains the branch chain amino acids. Now, branch chain amino acids demonstrate or show in studies better muscle recovery when people take them who also have a low protein diet. So, if you are a vegan athlete and your protein intake

is really low, you're eating like 60 grams of protein a day or you know, you're just eating your essential protein. Will supplementing with branching amino acids before your workout help you recover with recovery? Perhaps. Will branching amino acids help you for eating adequate protein? Nope. Which is so ironic because the guy who who recommends three grams of fucking protein per pound of body weight also has a pre workout that gives you a more fucking amino acids and inside the pre workout that you don't fucking need because you're already doing three grams of fucking protein. That's right. You're already never over protein.

Yeah. That's right. Doug, can we go to the next, I think we've hammered this particular one even more adequately. Well, here you go. Sell your core C think we've hammered this particular one even more adequately? Well, number two. Oh, here you go. Sell your core C4. Well, see how, I bet it's going to be pretty similar. It's going to be pretty similar. Of course, by the way, I love that they put vitamin C there because everybody thinks vitamin

C is so good for you. Every single one of these supplements will have a lot of vitamin C mainly because they're using absorbic acid, I think, as a preservative. So it's almost like, we got through this in there anywhere. Anyway, oh, and let's list it. You're getting vitamins. You're getting kids. Okay, so here's the, okay, I already see the major difference in this one.

So the major difference that this one has, this is going to target my people that just love to break that sweat because it's got a nice in it, right? So if you've ever taken, try this if you don't believe me, take some. My skin's hot. Take 30 to 60 milligrams of niacin by itself and sit in your fucking room and don't move for an hour and watch what happens. You'll start sweating your dick off, not even exercising.

So when you take a pre-workout like this that has all this niacin in it, you all said notice right away, which you'll start to sweat. You'll sweat earlier and you'll sweat more because you've got this nice in in there. What else does it have to do? Now this one, this one's got the Arganine,

the Citro-Line, it's got the beta-align in there. It's got caffeine of course, but here's, okay, so. So creating, this one's only got one gram of green tea. Yeah, 1.6. Oh, by the way, and I'm not speaking in specifics with either one of these supplements or the ones we're gonna cover because we have not taken them to a lab

and broken them down. But I will say this, every single investigation that goes into supplements where they take supplements and they test them to see what's in them, every single one comes back bad. I've never seen a report come back and be like, hey, the FDA, like it's actually ingredients. It says, oh my God, like they'll come out with the report

and be like FDA tested the top 10 selling multivitamins have found not one of them met label, what the label said, some of them had heavy metals in them and some of them had nothing. Well, they just one of the worst offenders, like it was like a Walgreens chain that they had all these like, there was an chain that they had all these like there wasn't the war There was an article that came out last year where they took the five top selling protein shakes and

All five of none of them met the requirements of what they said were inside them in fact all but one were 50% less than what it said it was yeah So and the reason why they can get away with that is so people are going like, how the fuck can you do that? Nobody checks them. Well, yeah, because, okay, supplements, and the irony in this is it's in the grocery store. So you think it's in the grocery store with food. So you assume, like, okay, food obviously is regulated and we make sure it's safe and everything. Okay, well guess what?

Supplements are not. Supplements do not have, are not FDA regulated. So they do not have to go through this process of what's in it says it's in it right or what's Actually, it says is actually inside of it. So literally the three of us could put together a Supplement in our garage put together all the we can we can order all entrust me with thought about this ordering all these raw Ingredients putting in a bottle slapping our label on it and sell it and you know It's worse because we want to save money on a scale. We're just going to eyeball it.

You know what I'm saying? So you don't have to just nest, and we can get away with it all day. And the worst that's going to happen, okay, we're not going to get sued. We're not going to go out of business. We're going to cut. Yeah, we'll get a letter to fix it.

That's it. And it'll be like, oh, my bad. We'll start putting more of that in there. So. There's actual supplement companies that thrive on this, that make supplements and sell them until they're told to stop and then they go to the next one.

And these are all the gray market ones. And the supplement industry is a, it's a shit, fuck industry. It's not good. And again, every report that comes out that tests these products, they, I've never seen a report come out that be like, hey, we tested the top five, whatever,

all of them came back accurate. It's always, seven out of 10 showed all this way. Way worse offender versus offender. Yeah, they'll say the best one was at 80% of the label. I'm like 80%. I know. That's still bad. You're missing, I don't know.

I can't imagine if I was hired as a personal trainer and someone bought 10 sessions for me and I gave them eight. And I'm like, there you go. Like, I'd fucking be out of business in a second. Or- What's the most common filler? Like, they'll just throw in there just to kind of like add in,

like baking soda or shit. Well, the protein powder companies were doing what's called amino acid spiking. So like, Oh, I heard about that. So like a cheap way to test a protein powder to see if it has, let's say, 30 grams of protein per serving, is they'll test a particular amino acid.

And based on that level, then they'll say, oh, they'll say it's got, you know, this many grams of protein. So what companies were doing is they understood the testing process. And rather than putting 30 grams of protein, they put 15 grams of protein, but they put 30 grams worth of whatever amino acids

they were testing. I would love to develop like a little like, like test tube lab to sell to people to like, you know, take their supplement and test and see themselves, you know, like what some of these products really have in them and stuff would be awesome. Bro, it's, it's, uh, we're getting there. The market's actually trying to help. I don't think food scanner. I think we're going to see it.

I think we're going to see a lot of a die. I think the more and more people find out how much of it is a gimmick. And I think the consumer is becoming smarter, man. And these companies, and you already see, and we called this out two years ago, you already see this transition of all these big name companies starting to go to this natural flavor and naturalness. Even at the end of the day, natural and natural still yeah I mean it's always going to be there

because people just want quick fixes and they want that answer in in a pill and but their market share is shrinking yeah yeah yeah I don't know you think I think I think we're evolving as humans dude it's it's I think you know where I think we know where it, there'll be more snake oil salesmen in like neuro priming. You know, all these kinds of things. So, I, he's a guy. Biohacking type, there you go. I, because we're finding more stuff out about biohacking, you know, increasing performance, increasing, you know,

things like that, that I see stuff going more that direction. And let's be honest, it's better for you. There's more, there's more science supporting damaging than, than taking, sucking down some overpriced colored drinks. Well, here's what you do. You look at the whole market of products.

And this is how you can kind of see what's happening right now. The supplement market is big as it is, is still small compared to like the food market, for example. And if you look at soft drinks, soft drinks, always strong sellers, like Coca-Cola is a fucking power, it's one of the most powerful brands in the world. And I believe it's the most recognizable brand in the world.

Coca-Cola sales and soda sales have been dropping consistently now for like the last five years or so. And you can already see Coke start to scramble by creating flavored with real sugar. And this one has TVI and they're already starting to scramble to figure out what they're gonna do. Cheerios, I looked at Cheerios like, and it says on a gluten free. Oh, you guys are, they're trying to stay ahead

of what they see this happening. And the supplement market is gonna follow. Actually, you know what, Doug, do pull this up, right? You're calleth of the... Can you pull up protein to everything? Companies owned by Coca-Cola. So I think Coca-Cola is already doing it. I think they're way ahead already.

Oh yeah, you know what they're doing. They'll just buy up. So if you're a, let's say. They're hedging their bets. Yeah, absolutely. So let's see what they're looking. I'd be interested to see. I don't know.

I haven't looked at this in a long time. But Coca-Cola, I mean, when you're that big of a powerhouse, you don't, you're gonna know there's no stress. They're not worried. If the market shifts, the money, they'll just, yeah. If the market shifts, I've already got our green Coke to handle all the natural sweeteners,

like real cane sugar. Oh, I'm sure they bought company and then I got Walla. Yeah, they own Dessani, they own a lot of these companies, people don't realize that. So they're already on, they're already watched. Let's see what the companies are, I guarantee they're,

you know, they're already heading in the health direction. It just hedges their bets. Let's see see product description if you google dot what products do well they own a bunch of soda companies then they'll dissonny water they own all on uh... or of course vitamin water which is by the way they had a huge loss of there was a huge loss to against vitamin water because it would advertise advertising smart water smart water

uh... fuse uh... fuse tea honesty oddwala, oddwala and honesty. There's some of your health ones right there. Yep, yep, yep. So Nestle is another one. There's these major, these huge companies that buy all these organic, kind of healthy brands because they're hedging their bets. So, let's go break, let's keep breaking down the supplements a little bit.

Oh wait, look at that list. Holy shit. Those are all the companies they own. Yeah, you'd be just too many to talk about. Holy shit, that penny? Yeah, it's too many to talk about. I mean, that's just the letter, that's just, that's categorized by letter.

Holy shit. That's how many categories, that's how many things they do. Coca-Cola owns that many companies. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Talk about having a monopoly on the fucking drink world, dude.

That's crazy. Let's go back to the supplements. That's a good one. Because I'm not done. I want to finish off on the C4 and then we'll look at the next one there. So one more thing about the C4 supplement and you'll see a lot of these in your pre-workouts is there's a blend,

some kind of a proprietary blend. So C4 has an explosive energy blend consisting of enacetyl tyrosine, caffeine, which then they list the amount of caffeine, which is 150 milligrams, velvet bean, which is something that's supposed to increase, you know, aldopa, I guess, in the blood, theanine, which is good to combine with caffeine. We actually don't know how much of each of those things is in there because it's a blend. And in reality, that's, of course, the stimulants is what you're feeling.

And the supplement. The secret stuff. So, another stuff, that's another pre-workout, that's a waste of money. Let's go back and look at, you know, what comes next on the list and start to break them down. So, we had pre-GEMC4, and then we have Caged Muscle Pre-Caged. Isn't that what's his face?

Caged Muscle. I don't know for that. Yeah, that's a tattooed big ol' buff dude. Is it really? Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Cool. So let's again go down to the ingredients all the way to the ingredient part.

Yeah, there he is. Oh my God. Other ingredients. Well, beetroot powder, they're using that for color. Some flour, less of 10, stitch or whatever. Which can we say just that's a lesser. It says stevia and he's using any is using the beetroot powder for color

versus, you know, red dyes or so like that. So here's an example of a supplement company or product trying to attract the slightly informed consumer. What I mean by that is you've heard once or twice that Stavia is a better sweetener than sucralose or aspartame, right? So you buy this, you look at the ingredients, you quickly see Stavia, you're like boom, I'm buying this. Now realizing that the ingredient right afterwards is also sucralose.

So they've just added Stavia and mixed it with sucralose to give you This is kind of the same problem. I got the marketing world here. I'll sit in here. Let me see go to the top There's a whole bunch of shit right there. What is that? It's just it's their orac blend which is a bunch of antioxidants in in there So it's just a bunch of extracts of fruit accidents in there. So it's just a bunch of extracts of fruit. 100 milligrams, basically nothing, basically a little drop or squirt of each of these. It's so funny, like when you look at a list like that, like if we were to count, right, each thing that's listed in here, just by glance, I'm going to guess probably 60 plus.

So if that's got 60 plus things inside of it and it fits in this little tiny Fucking scoop this big. Just like do think about that for a second like how much are you really like you're getting Like a booger's worth of fucking of all that stuff at best, you know Yeah, how much to the what's the average cost of these of these supplements? $25 to $50 would be my guess. I know it's more than that dude. More than 50. Oh well it's more than 25 that's for sure. Never mind. I don't think it's 50 but 25 would be a cheat. Well aren't we on the order page here?

Yeah right there. Oh, 35. So this is so it's $36. So you're probably looking at between 36 to 40 bucks right? So you figure this has 20 servings. So it'll last you maybe about a month. People are spending you know 30 to $50 a month. Free workout primer, huh?

Yeah, you like that? They threw that fucking... I see that. I see that. I'm so over the moon. Everywhere now. So you're spending $35 to $50 a month, which is, you know what's funny?

The irony is, that's more than most people are spending for their gym membership. Right, yeah. You figure it right? They'll complain if it's more in 10 bucks. Yeah, okay. I don't want to spend $ bucks a month on a member. Now, he's got, he's got 6.5 grams of citralline versus the other ones that were at like three.

Three. So he's got double this citralline. He's got, he's got niacin in there. He's got the same amount of niacin as C4. So he likes to sweat as dick off too. Who doesn't? Right. Where else? Where's the caffeine? I I can see the caffeine was that say to 24 does that say I love this does that say neuro focus matrix yeah that fucking sounds fucking awesome man yeah so you know what they're grabbing on to the whole the whole trend of uh neutral picks right you know what I mean because now you're not like hyper energy like neuro focus. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds so sciencey and awesome. Sounds so and by the way the caffeine they make sure to put is from green coffee beans. That makes it makes it better. So it's a 274 milligrams. That's what's

his name. So a little less a little less caffeine, a little more citrally and the exact same amount of niacin as C4. Same, same waste of money. Yeah, I mean, figure you're spending 40, 50 bucks a month on this, then you add your protein powder, which is probably another 50 bucks a month, right? The amino acids are extremely low. All, okay, total 3.5. Okay, muscle, guy, look at the names.

Anabolic activator. Yeah, Lucy. Lucy. I names, anabolic activator. Yeah, Lucy. Lucy. I need an anabolic activator. I know. So what would you say? I like to give people analogies too. So could you maybe Doug can figure this out?

Is I would like to see what a 12 ounce or eight ounce steak provides. Like how much? How much amino acids? Yeah, how much amino acids are are in a I would guess a stake We're probably one of the best places right to get all all these covered Or an egg and I'm gonna do one egg guys. You say what's it? Let's do an egg. Let's one egg You need more that no, I want to show you something here. I just want to see let's say a breakfast is four to six eggs

I think you need to do more than one egg bro. You would be surprised Okay, let's how many amino acids are in one a particular. Yeah, I think that's to do more than one egg. Bro, you would be surprised. Okay, let's see how many amino acids are in one egg. A particular, yeah. I think that's where this can get really convoluted for a lot of people, so they'll be reading this, and they'll be like, well, it's got a muscle activator, it's got the neurotransmitter going on here, it's got the anabolic enhancer,

and it's giving me energy, like, you know guys, it's worth my 36 points. Okay, you ready for this? A three ounce serving of meat will give you three ounces. That's fucking nothing. It's about one and a half grams of loosing in just a three ounce piece of meat. Okay, so nobody eats three ounces of meat.

Yeah, here's another one. Okay, no, no, wait, stay right there. Stay right there if we confuse everybody, okay? This has three, okay, that's the anabolic activator in this is loose scene. It has three grams of that. Six ounces of steak gets all of that. Yeah, all of that.

Yes, it shows it. Okay. Here's an even better one. One cup of vegetarian baked beans has about one gram of each of the branch shaming of acids. Whoa. Yeah, so eat some baked beans. You need two cups of big beans.

So, steak and beans, it's a wrap, dude. Staking beans, you already have, you already doubled up on all the anabolic activators that are in here. Wow. They you just took care of that whole category. Let's take care of another category. I'm gonna steal that word.

I got the idea. Let's take care of another category here. So, well, we can take coffee, we'll take care of the end of Dura-Burn, what's that say? Endura-Burn. Endura-Burn. Endura-Burn, matrix.

Endura-Burn. Is pretty much the thing. What's the thing? How much is in there, caffeine? Okay, that's pretty much covered. By the way, too, which the steak we didn't cover, a six-ounce steak has, I think, close to three grams of creatine in it, too.

Yep, I think you're right. So that the steak would also cover the, what's that under? Is that pro-pump? What's that under? Patented. Creatine HCL. What's the fuck is patented about it?

1.5 grams. So they put, they put creatine under the, can they say that if it isn't patented? It must be, like they must have added something to, I don't know what the fuck is about. I don't know if you can say that. Sure you can, you can put it with something else. Patented? You actually have to file and patent it. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't know if you can say that sure you can you the blend of it you can you can put it with something else you actually have to file and patent it well that's what I'm saying yeah

I don't know that's a good question get your lawyer after I'm right I will after you man no we're not we're not the point of it so by the way we're not like we had no I we had no idea that our favorite guy would be the number one on here. That just happened to be that gym. No, no, you can go to bodybuilding and the comments. Yeah, we will put the link in the, and this is the top 10 pre workouts, and we're just literally going, this is one, two, and three right now.

So I have got nothing personal against any of these guys. So, so here's what I want to do. I want to, I want to leave the listeners with some like, constructive, like what they can do, okay? So what's what I was doing with the whole state concept? Oh, there you go. That's what I was trying to give. I'm trying to give people and an idea of where this is naturally found in foods. And so, you know, if you're a vegan, I can see some of these type of things, right? Like, because you miss a lot of the steak, right?

And you're not getting a lot of meats in general that are going to have a lot of these amino acids because probably the most valuable things in here I would I would argue to say is the creatine and amino acids right. Well it's not just that you're right about that because I think like creatine for example the greatest benefit is for vegans in fact vegans get they actually get a brain boost from taking creatine and it's mainly because they have such low creatine levels because they don't eat meat. So, you know. But steak, eggs, and an orange, out of, out of handle,

every, all the top 10 pre workouts, answer. Literally. Yeah. Have a steak, an orange, and some baked beans, and what else am I missing on their salad? Coffee. Oh, coffee. There you go. And wash that up. Yeah. So your breakfast. So for Oh, coffee. There you go. Yeah. So you're breakfast. So for breakfast, have some steak and eggs and some beans with a cup of coffee and you

pretty much shit on every pre workout that's in the industry. So especially if you have it in the morning, you do your work and it tastes fucking great, right? I'd much rather have that for a meal. Well, look, look here, if you want to have a great workout, first of all, don't spend 40 bucks on your monthly pre-workout. That's a waste of money. Take that money and invest it in something

that's actually going to do something for you. If you're trying to get in shape, invest it in education, invest it in, maybe save up your money for a few months and hire a trainer for a session, invest in good programming, maybe spend more, how about this instead of spending 30 bucks a month on your gym and 40 bucks a month on your supplement, maybe take 70 bucks a month and go to a better gym.

That's gonna give you way more benefit than the supplement. If you wanna get hyped before you work out, drink a cup of coffee, if you don't like coffee You can buy you can buy caffeine pills for dirt cheap like 200 milligrams of pill 90 pills you could probably buy it for under 10 bucks. Yeah, they're cheap Wait, wait, wait cheap and then prime your workouts properly like go into the gym and do some actual priming I do actual priming techniques and you know even work on your breathing and get good and oxygenated before you even start the workout and hydration. Do these simple things to, you're going to get the immediate energy boost just from doing

that alone. I'll give you this challenge right here. Take your pre-workout supplement, stop taking it. Stop taking it for like three months. If you want to take creatine, keep taking creatine, but just stop taking your pre-workout supplement, stop taking it. Stop taking it for like three months. If you want to take creatine, keep taking creatine, but just stop taking your pre-workout, track your workouts, look at your progress, look at how things are going. If you want to stimulate, just drink some coffee.

You don't even need to drink. And you will not notice a thing. If you're eating enough steak and eggs and beans and chill like I said, if that's in your diet pretty regularly, then you don't even need creatine. Skip on that. Doug, can you go back to, I wanna see all 10 supplements that happen to be up there, just out of curiosity.

I'm curious, we don't need to go through all 10 and pick them apart, but I'm just interested to see what. So, you core has another one, that was four long. So, what is the difference between Coc450X? Now, 50% more explosive. I think it's probably just got more,

just seen in it. Explosive evolution nutrition shred There's another one by them called engine then there's mr. Hyde. Oh check on that mr. Hyde one for me A lot of people talk about how that one's got like that one will make your fucking well, they can see that will make you see sounds So this is a company That had a big, I think it was a big lawsuit over this. Holy shit. What what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what types of caffeine. So you're actually getting a grand total of over 400 milligrams of caffeine.

On top of that, they also have Yo-Himbee in there, which Yo-Himbee is another central nervous system stimulant. You take this shit and you're going to be, I mean, if you're sensitive to stimulants, you're fucked. Well, so let's talk. Okay, this is what happens. This is what the consumer, like when you hear people in the locker room talking, like, hey bro, what are you taking? Oh, what are you taking? Oh, bro, you got to try this. I remember when I was in C4,

now I'm doing an animal, that's fuck. Right, so that, what is going on? That got escalated, really. What's going on there is the major difference between their pre workouts is just the amount of fun so Seriously if you want to if you want that feeling to be just ramp up go spend $9 on Caffeine pills and and you know be careful start off with one

But start to work your way up a half a pill at a time until you fucking shit on the way you feel from that You'll be twice as wired. And if that's what you're chasing, if you're chasing this, I wanna be so amped, my hands are shaking, my eyeballs are sweating, and my forehead's red, like if that is what you're chasing, you can pretty much achieve all of that through Nieson and through caffeine pills,

which you can get for dead. I mean, really, if you're really, really, really tired to pre-work out, so you're like, no, I love them, I want to take them. All you got, okay, fine, do this. Buy Citro-Line Powder. Buy Branch Shandime in the last-aid powder. Buy caffeine and take those, and you're pretty much set.

You don't want to throw in some beta aline, and you could do that too. You've made your own, and you've probably spent a quarter of the money that you would normally spend. That'll cost you, so for all, so I've done this before. It'll cost you on Amazon, it'll cost you. So what we should do, we'll do links, okay? If you want to make a, if you want to make your homemade, no crap, no fake shit, like I want to be able to control how fucking crazy strong it is, we'll show you how to make

that. I'll give you links on Amazon so you can go straight to that. I think it cost me about 150 for all the raw ingredients, but that shit lasted me like six months worth of pre workouts. So it'll, and it's gonna taste like crap, it tastes kind of a lemon water, is what it ends up tasting like.

That's the citrally in the interview. Yeah, exactly, you taste the citrally and is the only thing you really taste, is the only thing that has any sort of, all the other stuff is completely raw. So when you mix the citrally in with Is the only thing you really taste, is the only thing that has any sort of, all the other stuff is completely raw. So when you mix the citrulline with the creatine, with the branch, with all those things, and the caffeine and the water.

And not only that, but if you make it yourself, you're also taking like stronger doses of things that you should probably want to take stronger doses of. And because if the funny thing is if you actually matched the doses that are in these supplements, it probably would have lasted you two years. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, Is that a six months? Oh yeah, what I did, I ramped up to Citroene

and I ramped up the caffeine and creatine and then all the other stuff I didn't worry about because it's there's, you know, it's very... Now let me ask you this Adam, do you take anything, pre-workout? No, I don't think anything. I haven't taken anything, pre-workout. I actually still have those bottles

that we're talking about on my refrigerator, they've been there for about two, two and a half years now. So, but I mean, there's gonna be people that, you know what, they feel like, here's where I get it. Maybe you're not a coffee drinker, and you get up really early in the morning, and this is, you take it because you absolutely need to be woken up, and you're not,

we're not gonna get you to stop doing that, that's okay. So, you know, but hey, let's save some money. Let's do this the smarter way, and let me tell you what is making you sweat, what is giving you that crazy energy, and I'm telling you right now, it's the caffeine, the sweating part is the niacin, and you can buy that by itself,

and you can control your dose. So if it's not, you can start with a 200 milligram dose, if that's not enough for you, and you go to 400, I guarantee, that'd probably be enough for most people. Yeah, now what I would like to see is, I would like to see, these supplement companies have a lot of money, right?

They got tons of money. Why don't they take an independent, you know, research company and actually do a double-blind, placebo-controlled study? Some of them do that. And show, not improve performance right away because all stimulants would do that if you take someone who's never taken a stimulant I give them one they're gonna have improved performance that's easy

take that out take the stimulants out take out the creatine we know those things what they do give them everything else and let's see at the end of three months if they've built more muscle and burn more body fat all things being equal you know why they won't do it? Because they know what'll happen. They know the study will come back and it'll show that it's fucking bullshit. That there was no real benefit, no more muscle, no more fat loss. They lost weight in their wallet and that's about it.

So my advice, throw that shit away or sell it to your cell phone Craigslist somebody. Use bottle of Mr. Hyde or sell your pre-gen. Don't do that to your bro. Go back to the main list. I want to see all of them again though. So we saw the cell you core did, they're basically strong. They're a doctor, Jack hole, Mr. Hyde stuff or whatever. Yep, no, keep going down.

You have G-O, German something. G-A-T, NitroFlex. Then there's muscle text What's the old muscle text? It's the way the nitro flex may be the first actual like not focused heavily on the caffeine And maybe this will be more towards the nitro oxide and that I Was it say it says helps promote energy strength testosterone and reduce feelings of fatigue

I will bet you $100 that there's a lot of stimulants in there Yeah Guaranteed as well of course it says promotes energy Not only that it's a top seller It's not gonna sell anything if they don a lot of stimulants in there. Yeah, guaranteed. Well, of course it says promotes energy. That's a top seller There's not gonna sell anything if they don't have a stimulant in there the main reason why I want to see the testosterone boost things supplements I don't see anything that could oh wait clinically studied testosterone enhancing Complex wow this company still gets away with the proprietary blend bowl. I've never even heard of CFB and there's a US patent on it This setup can I see who it's attached?

This must be attached to a big name because. Well, no, GAT is the name of the company. Yeah. I forgot what it's named. John Jones was part of that for a while. Get any tricks. Big Ramy. Yeah.

It's cheaper too. So it's 29 bucks. Yeah, testosterone boosters. By the way, do they raise testosterone? Some of them do and in people who have low testosterone. And people with healthy testosterone, there's really nothing that raises testosterone. How about this? Okay, this is really, you can shade here.

They do this nitroflex proprietary blend and all it has, all the things the other supplements have, but it doesn't list how many milligrams of each are in it, which sets a huge fucking red flag right there. But what they're smart enough to do is they list by themselves the three grams of Citroene 1.5 of beta and then Argonine 1.5 so they can see that they have those at least. Yeah, I don't see, where's the caffeine at? Yeah, that's a nice, that's a, by the way,

that's a classic trick that supplement companies will do with their blends is they'll, they can say something's in there if they put a little bit of in there. So they'll, what's called pixie dust there if they put a little bit of in there. So they'll, what's called pixie dusting, they'll put a tiny amount of each of these things. And if you're reading the bodybuilding magazines and you read about all these ingredients, next thing you know, you look at the supplement, you're like, this one has everything in it. It's got to be the best one.

A lot like crop dusting. It's basically like crop dusting. Oh, clinically, what does that say to the very bottom? The clinically suited testosterone enhancing complex studied Oh my god clinically studied testosterone enhancing you don't even get the name of it We had it. Oh wait is that what they're doing is there listing that or is that no that's I'm totally bad a lab coat never They're they're not even telling you what it is. It just says clinically studied Testosterone enhancing complex. You know what that means? They could literally have 0.001 of...

Well, what the hell is that? ...K of horny goat weed, and they can claim that. If you've got 0.001 of a horny goat weed in that supplement, you could say these words instead, clinically studied testosterone enhancing complex, and that sounds way cooler. Yeah, that's the complex. Yeah, it's the complex. Yeah, very, very interesting. Anyway, that's the bottom line, right? I tell you what, save your money, spend it on your gym or some education.

Hell, get maps prime. That'll blow you the fuck away. You don't have to buy it every month, by the way. You just get it once in your set. I mean, I don't know. Any other advice you could give these guys? Wow, Cellucor has started. I know, I'm tired looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? I know they're popular. Exactly. I mean, we hadn't talked about it's been, and I know if you've

been a listener since day one, you listen to all 500 episodes, I apologize because we have ranted on supplements before at least more than once, but it's actually been a while since we talked about this. I felt like this was a good topic. We're in the middle of, you know, those that enjoy the business side, like we're right in the middle of those that enjoy the business side. Like we're right in the middle of, we're going to market towards these people. So our goal right now is, we're gonna go after all the market,

which is, we had to wait till we were at this point where we could actually hire a company to handle this first, because that's a monster. These guys, most of these companies are multi-million dollar companies that have a whole department around marketing to people and we are now going to try and counter that. So we had to build a little bit of muscle man, we had to get some staff. We had to get some people.

We had to get some staff. Before we could start punking some of these people, we needed to staff up a bit, get a crew and hire a company to help us out with that. So we are in the middle of doing that. So look forward to coming after these motherfuckers. Beautiful look. If you go to mindpumpmedia.com, we still have 30 days of coaching for free.

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