Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 513: Pilates vs Weight Training, Pyramid Sets, How to Advance Fitness Career & MORE

Episode Date: May 24, 2017

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We talk about our time at PaleoFX. It was awesome. And there were some unexpected things that we cover in this episode. But hang in there, because then we get to all the good stuff and all the meat of the episode. And we answered some amazing questions.

First question was, pyramiding your workouts versus warmups. Then we talked about our favorite and entrepreneurial minds. We talked about how to maximize your business as a personal trainer. And then we talked about our favorite entrepreneurial minds. We talked about how to maximize your business as a personal trainer. And then we talked about Pilates versus resistance training. Within those questions, we answered quite a bit.

And a lot of the answers that came up were about priming, how to properly prime your body. As some of you may know, we offer a program called Maps Prime that includes a self-assessment tool called a compass. You take the compass, you figure out your recruitment patterns, you figure out how to prime your body specifically to the way it moves so that you could do your 10 minute priming session before your workouts to maximize your workout. Now you can find out more about Maps Prime at mindpumpmedia.com. I wanna just publicly thank you to three

for your patience with me this morning. Oh good, yeah. That was, how miserable was that? Dude, let me tell you, the next person that tells me that they want federally controlled government, anything, I'm gonna punch them in the throat. So you said that, you text us that while you were waiting in line to get your passport for you and your kids, is that what everyone was talking about?

Is that what? So here's how it works, right? In order to do this process with kids, both parents have to be there and you have to do it at the post office. Now the post office opens for the passports at 10 a.m. and they close I think at three of the post office. If, well let's just start there. So it opens at 10, right?

My x gets there to hold the place in line at 6 a.m. Remember it opens at 10. Yeah. She gets her 6 a.m. Just camping out. There's four people ahead of her. The reason why this happens is because the process is so fucking grueling slow. I honest to God, it was like, there were frozen in time.

If there were any slower, they would have gone backwards. So she's fourth in line. So I get there with the kids, because I'm not gonna bring the kids there at 6am, right? So I have the kids. I bring the kids there at 9.30. So I'm like, right when they open, we're gonna get in, we're gonna get out, but I should have known better. 10am, they open, no sorry, 10.05, they open the doors.

So they're five minutes late, which is good considering, you know, who's running it. We go in there, and it takes them not exaggerating. The first two people that were in line, I'm like, cool, they're gonna breeze through, like how long could this possibly take? One hour, one hour. For the first person.

For the first two people. Holy, holy. There's two more people ahead of us. Why? Because the process is so redundant and arduous and slow. Like, I'm watching them do this and You could have used carrier pigeons and smoke signals and carved stone and you would have happened You would have gotten there faster. I wrote four more maps programs. I was in line. That's how long it's so Fucking ridiculous and slow that I can't understand why anybody would want

Our government to run anything because if Starbucks ran this, if I wanted to get my passports from Starbucks, my, I mean, if there were four people in front of me, you ever been in Starbucks with four people in front of you, how long does it take to get your fucking coffee? It takes two minutes, right? It would have been in and out, no, no, no. It takes forever, and the reason why it takes forever,

and I want it rant for a second, and I don't care if I piss people off, I'm gonna rant a little bit here. The reason why it sucks so bad. And by the way, it's archaic in there. It's completely archaic. I went in there five years ago. The place looks exactly the same. I think they're using the same computers. The reason why it's sucks so bad is because they don't go out of business. Like they could suck as much as they want. The workers could be as slow as they want. They're not firing anybody. They don't have to change the systems,

they don't have to change the process, they don't have to update anything. It's just what it is, and it always gets funding, no matter what, so they could fucking fuck off all day long and have the shitty system, and we're stuck with it. And no one else can do it, by the way. What we had to do, there is no private company that will do it, at least not in California,

but I don't think anywhere. So we're stuck. So we're stuck waiting in line. It's like I'm in the Soviet Union waiting for bread. Like I have to sit there forever and wait for this shit. And this is our third attempt because the other time, we waited, we got there when it opened, which was a mistake, because we were,

I'm not joking, at 10 AM, if you show up when they're like five minutes before they open, the line is around the block, and you're not gonna get in. You'll be waiting forever and whatever, the time, you know, the closing time shows up, and they'll tell you, come back tomorrow, like you ain't getting in. So it's just, it's insane, it's absolutely insane.

I just wish I could, when I fill my taxes out, I could say on it, you get taxes, you get taxes, fuck you, you don't get shit. I'm not gonna pay my taxes for this, but this isn't happening. So when you did get it done, I have my passport. I'm gonna get my renewed by the way, which I think I can do in the mail. What, I can't remember, I went in, and it was, when I went in, I was all by myself, and it was, With the two kids, you have to have both kids there and both parents present, and I understand,

I know, I know, I mean, that makes sense, right? Cause God forbid, like one of the parents gets passports and then, I'm gonna get an absolute kid or whatever. Of course. I get that, I get all that. It's just the entire process is so incredibly, there was, I mean, because, there was a line, remember, there's a line around the block,

there's two people doing the whole thing. There's two people working the desk, and each time they have a customer, it's this most redundant, ridiculous filling out of paperwork and staple this to that. The picture, right? The little picture, it's like, why don't I want that? You have to pay an $80 fee here, $150 fee there.

On top of that, there's tax money going into it. On top of that, it's just, it's so painful. It's a cluster of fuck. It's so bad, it's so fucking bad. It's weird, because I feel like there's not a lot that they really need you there for a photo. And I don't remember the question air being that long. I think it took me a few minutes at most to fill it out,

maybe 10 to 20 questions. You know, we walk up and they're like, okay, give me your photo IDs. I'm gonna make two photo copies here. Let me see the passports, make two photo copies here. Sign this, sign that, fill this out. Oh, here's another thing. We need three separate checks for each fucking area. Oh, if you don't pay

with check, it's another $2 fee. It's like back and forth here, that and the other. We went in with everything photocopied and filled out because my plan was to get in and out, right? Because I'm trying to come to work. Right. And it still took us, when we got up there, 20 minutes, from everything filled out to being able to leave. Geez. It was... And I can't wait till they control my healthcare. It's gonna be awesome.

I can't fucking wait, dude. Let's all wait and lie. It's just insane. On a positive note, we are coming off what a fun weekend out in Austin, dude. Let's all wait and lie. It's just insane. On a positive note, we are coming off, what a fun weekend out in Austin, Texas. Oh, paleo-affects, dude. Yeah. What a good, you know, it's awesome.

We almost didn't go, right? We really didn't have any intention six months ago to go to paleo-affects. I don't remember what made us even really look into going. I don't ever, I've ever been brought it up and somebody else brought it up and then when we realized that some of the other guys were going to be there, okay, this could be decent. Well Austin is a great city.

It seems to be like a central hub for fitness, you know what I mean? Because you've got some really good, very active city. Yeah, and you've got a lot of good podcasts that are based out of there. You have on it, that's over there. And then other people were, you know, meaning up over there.

I've been to a lot of, like, fitness slash bodybuilding conventions. And this was actually, it was very different. It's funny because they both have their own. Yeah, they have their own culture, though. I mean, it was different, but it was very similar on the other end of the spectrum. So, you know, that was, that was kind of fun and interesting to see how they ran with

that, you know, because there's one one side of it, you get a lot of the artificial and like all this like supplement heavy type of booths. And then on this end, it was like beef bone broth. That, you know, and that's like it. I felt a lot of parallels. Totally. it. I felt a lot of parallels. Totally. I saw a lot of parallels to me. At first, I think we were really excited

because it was so different than bodybuilding or we felt like it was so different because you didn't see any of those guys. Like there was no stringers walking around. Yeah. There wasn't no, yeah. There wasn't any of that or like, no tanning bitans, no bright colored cool shoes. No mirror glasses

But there were blue blockers. Oh, there was oh my god They were a lot of blue blockers. Everybody was wearing blue blockers Well, so I and that's how I feel like right? So instead it we traded out the you know the do shop the atomic shoes The do blockers. Yeah, the douchebag, meerk sunglasses inside for blue blocker sunglasses inside. Yeah. Which was pretty funny to me. And I thought that it was a little over. I mean, we saw a couple.

I think I saw two or three families where the son, the daughter, the mom, and the husband all were wearing blue blockers. You know what's funny about that? Yeah. We were walking around with Ben Greenfield and he was cracking up and he's like they're using blue blockers for all and he's like you want light during the day.

There's not a reason to where you should be wearing blue balls all the time. But there was a lot of buffed hippies. So you saw it was like a lot of dreadlocks, but then they looked fit. There were a remarkable amount of people walking around in a public convention barefoot. I went to do, there was this dude, people talking about their feelings. There was this dude who was making me uncomfortable.

Who was pretty bill, he looked pretty bill, but he was barefoot the whole time, you know, kind of looked like a buffed hippie and walked right in the bathroom. And just barefoot? Yeah, dude, the whole time. I did not see that. Oh yeah. He's grounding to everybody Yeah, dude, the whole time. I did not see that. He's grounding to everybody's peepee.

Oh, so, I did not catch that. Then must've been when we broke off a little bit. Then there was a meditation tent. Yeah, remember that? You had to take your shoes off and everything in there. I thought that was a breastfeeding tent. There was a breastfeeding tent. Same one, wasn't it?

You were in there? I didn't go in there, I went into. No, I saw the meditation tent. Did you guys go in here? Did you guys go in any of your meditators? No, I didn't. I went in there, yeah, I went in go in there. I wanted to know I saw the meditation. Did you guys go on here? Did you guys go in any? I didn't I went in there. Yeah, I went in there with Taylor. Everything had fat in it There was a lot of It's interesting to see the trend that Blue proof coffee started. I saw a lot of things that you add to your coffee that had fat in them or College and protein or something like that. So tell me each of you tell me what you liked and what you didn't like about the convention.

What did you like? What did you not like? I thought the clothes were horrible. Oh, you don't like the clothes? They had like no style or like there was no presence for like a peril. You know, you think in like that kind of a culture, man, somebody that has like cool gear would like just sweep up. That's a good point.

You know, like there was none of that. And so I thought that was a missed opportunity. And one of my favorite part was in the back in the VIP section where we got to all hang out and do the psychedelic light. Oh, that's, it was about the lucid light. Oh man, that was fun. That was weird.

It was really weird. And it was just, I don't know, some different. What did you see when you're underneath that? Under that? Just like a kaleidoscope of color and shapes and stuff. And it was just like, I mean, it's like somebody blasting you with a strobe light is basically what it was.

But there was some of it that was like, I mean, it was kind of trippy, I'll be honest. It felt expansive at one point, right? Like you were in this huge, yeah, I mean, it was kind of trippy, I'll be honest. It felt expansive at one point, right? Like you were in this huge, yeah, that was, it was just fun. It was like a cool little, you know, featured item in there for us. So hate to close, love the lucid light.

Yeah, what else do you know? Let's see, I don't know. I guess I like the vibe. The vibe there as far as like the people, I felt a lot more people, less ego, more people wanting to help, and having a more healthy mindset. I agree.

In contrast to other fitness expos I've been to where everybody is so self centered and self absorbed and the ego is insane. So I thought that was a good, you know, difference. You know, it's, it's good. I could, you can clearly see what they're marketing towards or for. So when you go to like a fitness convention,

what you have a lot of is really big loud booths with like scantily clad girls, usually, that'll either, you know, just be standing around, probably don't know much about the product, but they, you know, they obviously, they look a certain way. And at the paleo effects booths, you didn't see any, I don't really see any of that. What you do see, though, however, is who can out natural who? Yeah, yeah. The grounding shoes that Adam found. Oh my God.

You got to tell him about that story. That's amazing. Yeah, I came around the corner and I saw these. This is what Taylor and I took off for a little bit. And we split off. And I come around and I see these slipper-looking shoes. And most of them are women's shoes. And I see like one pair of guys. And we're like Kenny Loefers. We, yeah, they look like Penny Loefers. And I shoes and I see like one pair guys and we're like any loafers we yeah they look like penny loafers and I stop and I

ask the lady what these are and she's like oh these are grounding shoes and I'm like oh interesting right so she's gives me her sales pitch and I believe Taylor videoed most of this and she was probably in her early 60s or late 50s and the owner of the company and so I let her do her whole spiel. And then I convinced her to trade shoes for the day. And I said, listen, if you let me wear these grounding shoes, these brown ugliest loafers with my shorts that I was wearing that day.

So I had my cut off jeans shorts that day. And I thought, oh, these brown loafers will go great with this. So I put these groundy and it was quite a look. That copper they had carbon fiber and something soles. So, you know, to connect me to the ground. I think it was. I think it was yak fur. Yeah, something like that. But yeah, we rocked those around for a while. That was, I had a lot of fun and kind of playing with her. As far as things that I liked and I didn't like, I did see a lot of parallels as the bodybuilding.

It was just different. Both of them are pretentious, just in different ways, right? Yeah. You know, like Sal said, and Justin, I felt like there was this like competition on, and that was kind of what I did towards the end, when I did the copper shoes, and I was looking for the blue blockers,

I was trying to be like, who could be more paleo, you know, like by getting, and that's what I felt like bodybuilding does the same thing, and I know it's because I feel like the bodybuilding thing is further from you guys, so then it seems more silly than paleo FX, but for me, I felt it was very similar because

the bodybuilding I could connect to some of it. And I can see, uh, I can get, like, some of the style and some of the shit I wear. So I get it. But pay the effects is probably further from my extreme. So to me, I saw a very similar parallels in this extremes. That's what it, to me, both of them represent an extreme for a type of person or demographic that certain people will appeal to. With the bodybuilding culture, it's the, stunner shades on, it's the crazy Jordans and fancy shoes with the tapered sweatpants

and the stringers and then the boobs coming out at all the hot chicks there. Well, Paleo FX, you know, you've got all the barefoot, the ugly ass, you know, five finger shoes, what do you call those? Yeah, I don't know the Kyle hat on too. Yeah, right there. There's a lot of yoga pants.

Yeah, there's a lot. Oh, and a lot of beard. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of beard. A lot of beard and yoga pants. Lots of hipsters, beard guys with yoga pants. Lots of hipsters, lots of five finger shoes, lots of blue blockers, lots of competition on who can eat the most amount of fat and who can avoid the most amount of carbs. And then I also saw just like in bodybuilding shows, like bodybuilding shows are heavily

controlled by major sponsors who really dictate where booths are, the size of things, what's being talked about there. I felt this was very similar with bulletproof. Bulletproof was the dominating force, for sure. Yeah, they were the bodybuilding.com of... Totally. Exactly. Great example.

I think these, and they had the stages there. Obviously, they had a big say and probably who was speaking on there. The speakers, I dropped in on a few of them Wolf was excellent. Yeah, Rob Wolf was amazing. We saw a little bit of that Rob Wolf Rob Wolf was solid and our boy our boy Dr. Ruscio Dr. Ruscio killed it. Yeah, we're solid. Oh, Mike's the Lemmy's little demo with the kettle Yeah, that went over real well there. He killed it. Yeah, he might be really glad. He got exposed there So there was some good I think there was some good outliers there as far as speeches.

And then the rest were like these panels that were pretty cheesy to me. I felt like, uh, Sal made a comment one time. They were talking about economics up there. And it was this, you know, you, they put five rich people up on this podium. And well, it's this dichotomy like paleo because it's almost like, okay, so if you look at the cultures of certain things, it's very fascinating. What you need, what's really fun to do is to take a step back and look at the culture around, you know, the tribalism around a particular brand or belief system. And it's not just that belief system,

it actually spreads out, for example, like even the kettlebell sport world when people were coming in, I noticed like everybody had the same backpack and everybody used the same brand of chalk, for example, right? In appalio, in that particular world, there's this strong strain of free markets, supporting free markets and capitalism, which people think what? But I mean, CrossFit, CrossFit's very big on that as well, and they're part of the Paleo

world. But at the same time, you've got hippies that think capitalism is evil, right? So when they were talking economics, it was interesting. You hear some of them almost apologize for being successful. Totally. Which was really interesting to me because, well, you even got that from the guy in the back that was doing the psychedelic light show, like the lucid lighting.

He was like conflicted about it. He's like having to make it a business. You know, and like actually, you know, taking money for it. And all I'm like, what? Yeah, well, that's howed about it. He's like having to make it a business. You know, and like actually, you know, taking money for it and all I'm like, what? Well, that's how to spread it. I thought I was, yeah, it's like, but you got that from a couple of the different booths.

I felt like they're there as like a hobby and there's a lot more hobby businesses there that were just like that, a little bit on the apologetic end of it that they had to charge you for something now I will say this the Definitely health and wellness is much more of a focus Here than then you would find it other fitness. Well, I don't I don't think it's more of a focus as much of it is

They have a better idea Because speakers they have a better idea. Yeah. You know, because the other conventions think they're trying to do the same thing too, right? I think I think, and the artist they got like Lane Norton. Right. Right. So hero. I think that other conventions are trying to do that. They just fail at it.

And I think that paleo, I mean, when you're going paleo, you're doing this. The idea is it's all natural whole foods, the way we evolved. And so we have said many a times on this show, like you're always gonna be better off going that direction than any other direction. And I think bodybuilding conventions is, okay, what are you lacking?

Let's try and supplement that into a pill for that. Or what builds the most muscle? What burns body fat? Yes, right. Because I didn't see a single, not a single fat burner that was there. No, not no fat burners, no muscle builders, either nothing like that.

No, no. That's where it was very different than with a bodybuilder. Very interesting. I saw a lot of CBD products, which is interesting because I know what the effective doses of CBD are and some of these, like they'd have this big bottle of CBD and they're like, oh, it's liposomal absorption CBD.

And I'm like, oh, how many milligrams of CBD and they're like, oh, the whole bottle contains 10 milligrams. So literally, you could take the whole fucking bottle and barely get, not even get an effective dose or maybe get a little bit of effective dose. Right. So you bring up like, CrossFit had no presence there. They didn't.

Like I was surprised. Well, it was like to be honest, it was all about optimizing your health and nobody wanted to work out. You know, like there was some people doing stuff outside, but it was like, nobody wanted to lift weights. Ew, I was not, okay, when we were all heading over,

we all said this, right? There was a, when we first, we're heading to paleo-effects, we all kind of like gave ourselves this little talk on what to expect and we all agreed that, right? When we first were heading to PaleoFX, we all kind of gave ourselves this little talk on what to expect. And we all agreed that, hey, listen, we're going to go here with an open mind, we're not going to talk shit, we're going to enjoy this, we're going to absorb all of it. There's a good chance that this is a total new community for us, no one's going to know who we are.

So it will just cruise the place, check some things out, but I don't want to be standing around with our thumbs up or ass and hanging know, hanging out there all day, like trying to be. And if you know, so we all kind of went in there with that, things that supplied it, and we all said like there's a good chance it's gonna be a lot of crossfitters, which is not a lot of crossfitters are huge mind-punk fans. So we kind of went in Thinking that and then when we got there it wasn't like that at all in fact Everybody was extremely friendly. There was a great vibe. There's a bit of mind pump fans that we would have never expected to be there So that was really cool And everybody was was really warm and welcoming it did not feel

Like it felt like for us when we walked around. And the discussions I was able to have with people were very, it was great. I had really deep conversations with a lot of vendors. There were, and you know, our stances are, and sometimes we get miscategorized as being anti-supplement. We're just anti-most supplements. And there were definitely supplement vendors there. And when I sit and ask them real questions

and really talk, I didn't get the bullshit spiel. They were telling me honestly, and a lot of them, I'm not even joking, like this is crazy, because I've never heard a supplement vendor say this, but they would say, they actually open up their conversation by saying, of course, nothing replaces good nutrition and good exercise,

and if you're doing both really, really well, here's how this may help. And I was blown away by people saying that to me who are selling a product. I was really, really blown away. I got to meet, I talked to people who sold exogenous ketones, and we had great conversations on exogenous ketones, and it opened with what they don't do. I've never had a supplement company do that. Like, hey, look, this is what it doesn't do this, right? Usually they're telling you they're pying this guy.

Then I talked with one of the executives of the mushroom company, what's the name? Forcingmatic. And we had a great conversation. And again, very open dialogue, very good conversation, very honest. I didn't feel like I was being, you know, it wasn't a spiel. We were talking about the science.

We were talking about Eastern medicine and how certain things are used and, you know, how mushrooms play a different role in one's diet and how they're not vegetables. They're not fruit and, but they should be considered essential like those two things and how they have different benefits. And so we had a great conversation there. It was just, it was really the most fun I've ever had at a convention. Here's one thing that I was a little bit, not turned off by, but more, I guess more skeptical

was all the Neutropic companies because there were a lot of synthetic Neutropic companies out there. And the one place where I could see this crowd pushing, in similar to the way bodybuilding pushes, like fat loss and muscle building at all costs, is I could kind of see the whole push improve cognition at all costs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I see the same. Might not be healthy. It's not healthy. We don't know if it's healthy.

We don't know the long-term effects, or we're not even gonna talk about the negatives, but if it makes you, if it optimizes your cognition and go for it, I got a little bit of that from the Neutropic companies, and you know, I posted a bunch of shit ton of insta stories, actually Adam was making fun of me, because I must have posted like 30 of them.

But I took, the reason why I posted the many of them is I took every new tropic that was thrown at me, because I said to myself, let's see what happens. Cause I'm not gonna make, I'm not gonna lie. You guys haven't got optimized. I took our shit ton of neutropics and I was definitely in an altered state of my life. How about your single favorite person

that you hung out with, spent time with, or got the chance to talk with this weekend? Oh wow. Just one, you know, we get one. I only get one, one human. Because there's a lot of, there was a lot of, that's why I'm one, each one of you to announce down one.

I'll say, first I wanna talk about Kyle. No, don't preface it with three other people to lead to one, give me one. Give me one explain it You don't get to fucking take everybody. All right. Well, it's it's an entity. So it's the more than one person It's the it's a group. Oh, you can't do that either. No, you can't do it. One from one person, bro It's only the second time it's only the second time I've met and talked to Mike Blitz so from there you go barbell shrugged and to Mike Blitzow from... Okay, there you go. ...Barbell Shrugged.

And I mean, I've only talked to him two times, right? When we interviewed him and then this time at the Paleo FX, we had them over and did a big podcast with everybody. And Mike Blitzow is one of my favorite human beings. Just a fucking great guy, very interesting. Me and him could talk forever. He's hilarious, so I'd say he's probably my favorite. That has nothing to do with him saying

that he's just like you, right? Yeah, I heard that. No, I think he's... I don't think he's anything like you, by the way. Yeah, an interesting. No, I think I think he said that because you know, we're trying to pick a character. Well, we both, we both, we both have a strong chemistry. No, we both have good, we both kind of have good conversation. So Mike, let's go for you just so what about you? Yeah, that's a tough one. I actually really enjoyed the conversation with Andy from Barbell Shrug Really just because he's such a yeah, such a smart guy and

You know like I'm just really fascinated to learn more about him and Just the the short conversations we had and then, you know, meeting up with him again, like, I'm really looking forward to hanging out with him again and picking his brain. So I want to have him on the show. Yeah. I want to have him on the show. He's a smart motherfucker. Yeah.

He's actually in it. You know, he's in the lab. He's in there in the, in the, you know, muscular. You know what blew me away is when we were recording how we talked about, I've brought this up on a five-billion history. Well, that, I mean, him can talk bodybuilding and musclebuilding history forever, but we, I even mentioned it, I think three episodes ago,

where... Oh, the water. You wanna have certain amounts of stress and we constantly put ourselves out of stress and that includes the things that we don't touch. You need to have sleep all the time. You need to have sleep all the time. You need to have water all the time. And I've talked about this.

I've talked about it a lot. So proud. You called it. Well, I'm happy. I'm very, very happy. I feel confirmed because I even talked about a Rob's Wolf episode where I said, you know, I bet you it's a probably a good idea

that sometimes not have water throughout the day because it elicits it. And it's a stress, right? Or I wonder if every once in a while it's a good idea and that get a lot of sleep. It might be good for you, just like fasting and all these other things. And we were doing a podcast with Bartel Schrug and Andy brought it up and I'm like, what? And he actually wrote a book that where he talked about that.

And I was like, fuck yeah, I feel like I feel like I was on the right track. So I was cool because he's a really smart guy, I really respect him. Yeah. I thought I just installed mine because I did a chance to spend some time talking to Andy and I really liked him. So since he did, someone else who we spent some good time with, I really liked was Josh from Wellness Force.

Oh, great guy. I was gonna say, just Trent. Yeah, great guy. Just a cool story, great guy, very intelligent, like really hit it off with him. That was, he's got a podcast called Wellness Force and you guys will hear it here at the episode. Here the past and present tense.

Here at the same time. Yeah, you'll hear the episode that we did with him while we were up there soon coming out. But that was great time with him and he was neat because the first time we ever met, he came over to the place, we recorded, hit it off, and then he literally just stayed with us the whole rest of the time and hung out for the barbell shrug crew to get there and have a good time.

Had a great time talking to Doug from barbell shrug to also brilliant mind. So man, that whole crew, and I know you wanted to pick them as an ITSee because it's not fair because I'm an Alex like he was like fun to talk to and you know he's in it like one of my favorite groups for sure. You know it's what's what always is interesting to me is because we started podcasting and had no experience with how it works or operates and we just kind of did things the wrong way and I didn't realize how shocking it works or operates and we just kind of did things the wrong way.

And I didn't realize how shocking it was or how different it was, I should say, to podcast the way we podcast. Because every single time we work with other podcasters, they're always like, that's how you guys prepare for a show. Like you just start recording. I guess it's a big deal. Formula and we tend to kind to just go with the breeze.

Well, everybody's always like, oh my God, I like doing it this way. We could just sit down and have a conversation. Like, nobody else does that. And I don't know that that's not how it works. Well, so many of you will do the formula interview style. Where it's like question, you answer, question, you answer, and question. Ground Robin. Yeah. And I think that we agreed a long time ago that we just,

we didn't like that we want we liked this normal and I feel like it feels More real that way because you could prepare for questions like if I send over a guy like you know Hey, I'm gonna ask you these five questions. It's like do well that sucks because then he gets it there and he could prepare For the best answer possible to make himself look the best or to present the information the way he wants to present it. Well, that's not what I want. I want what's going through your brain, like immediately when I ask it. So I think we give that respect to our audience

that listen to us, like we don't prepare for anything. And we also address our audience, which is something you brought up that I've noticed too, like going with other podcasters, like how sometimes you can get into like, I'm just talking to you right next to me over here, you know, instead of I'm talking more, bringing the audience into the conversation

instead of like, it's just you and me and me. Well, I was critiquing somebody's podcast this last week. And that was one of the things that I was telling him that he's gotta be careful of when he does these podcasts is You know, it's the story sounds really cool to you Well, you're listening to it because you were a part of that story But if your audience doesn't know who the fuck your guests are or the people that you guys are talking about What is the story you're talking about?

Yeah, or the story you're talking about it just sounds it's like being there's you don't you hate when you're in a group of like 10 people And you're the new guy or you're the guy who doesn't know Everybody and then they all just start they all start speaking Spanish. Yeah, well they all start They all start telling stories of their time in college together some shit and you're just like okay This is cool because I'm just can't be a part of this conversation at all I have nothing to provide to it because it's not a time that I was with all these people So I feel like you gotta be careful that as a podcaster that when you're talking about stories or you're sharing things that sure people enjoy stories, but to completely leave

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It's the motherfucking car! The eagle has landed! Alright, our first question is from Healthy Happy and Free. They are asking about pure mid workouts versus doing a warm-up and then going into working Alright, our first question is from healthy, happy, and free. They are asking about pure mid workouts versus doing a warm-up and then going into working sets. So, I'm assuming when they say pure mid workout where let's say my working set for bench press is...

They're ramping up. You know, let's say my working set is 225 pounds. I'm going to start with 105 and do a set, you know, adding 20 pounds until I get to my working set and I do my working sets, right? That's what I'm getting from it. Whereas a warm-up is... I think they're using the pyramid workout as part of their warm-up versus warming up

and then going right into the workings. And going right in? I feel like they're almost the same thing, right? I mean, unless the pyramid workout is more intense throughout the, because I instinctually will do that. I'll instinctually warm up, which is priming. So I do my priming session, which by the way,

I hate to term warm up because the connotation with warm up is that you're trying to... Warm the body up, get the blood flow. Yeah, warm it up, and prevent injury, which that's the absolute least a warmup should do. That's a given. It's like, you know, it would be like me passing my driver's test because I didn't crash.

Like the guys would be like, well, fuck, I hope not. But did you, were you able to do all these other things? A true warmup should. True DMV analogy since that's it. Yeah, that's it. We're the DMV analogy come all that's right. You just spend fucking six hours there. A true warmup should set up the most effective recruitment pattern based on your body

because it's different from person to person. So that means if you have forward shoulder, you're doing certain type of priming before you bench or if you have your glutes don't fire, you're doing certain priming before you squat or whatever. So you're trying to promote the right recruitment pattern, you're trying to promote good mobility through full ranges of motion, you're trying to turn on the central nervous system so that you can fire efficiently and effectively. Then when I'm done with my priming, which honestly only takes about 10 to 30 minutes

at the most, if I'm doing a real heavy workout, might take 25 minutes, but today's about 10 minutes. Then I go in and the first weight that I pick to live with is not the heaviest weight I'm gonna lift. I still will start with a lighter weight just so I can work my way up. So I don't know if you want to call that pyramid or not, but I would say ideally you'd want to prime and then pyramid.

Well, I think, let me, I'm going to simplify a little bit more what you just said, because I think what you said is an excellent answer, but might have confused some people with understanding of what the priming is really accomplishing and how is that different than pyramidding your workouts. Here's where it's really different. Pyramidding your workouts, Here's where it's really different. Pairing your workouts, if we were to pyramid squats and we were to prime for squats,

this is how they look very different. So pyramid workout for squats means I get in, get under the squat rack, I barely put a hundred pounds in my back, I squat, then I go to 150, I squat, and then by the time I'm getting up to three, four hundred pounds, my body is completely primed and warm up before I do my quote unquote working sets.

So that would be a pyramid. Now, when I prime my body for squats, the squatting movement itself is just a very, very small piece of the priming. I have to actually open up my shoulders. I've got to get that thoracic mobility going, I got to open my hips. And this is your individual.

Yeah, this is my individual, right? So I got to work on my ankle mobility side. So how do you do that? Maybe break that down for a whole day. Yeah, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to, and I start with my foot, right? So I start with all my foot exercises, hand priming, my lacrosse ball in the center,

kind of opening that I literally just did this today, just right before you got here so so I'm Working on all my foot connectivity doing my ankle mobility stretches and priming Then I get up to my hips I get into my 90 90 and I start doing that and then I get into my deep squat and work on my Thoracic mobility with my bands which I just just posted on Instagram. Now all of that priming, or warming up, quote unquote, leads me to having a good mechanical squat. So I could do squats all day long without doing those and my squat will not look as good

as it will when I prime all those areas that I need work on. And those are very, very specific to me, because if I don't do that, then I won't have the good interruptions in the kinetic chain. Yes. So if I'm just getting into the squat portion of it, I'm not addressing how everything is communicating properly. And, you know, like the reason why we prime, and we do all these things is to really solidify the proper channels to stay ahead of the pack. So it's like your body,

your body's natural inclination is to make, to recruit whatever process is gonna be most efficient. And so what you have to do with the priming is look at it more as a teaching. Like I'm teaching my body that this is the one, this is the way that I need my hips to function and to engage in this process. This is how I need my ankles to engage

in this process and stay in this process and all the way up to kinetic chain. So where my shoulders have to be retracted and depressed and my wrists, like everything, and this is where identifying these things that may be an interruption in that kinetic chain and that process is where the weak links are. That's why we really focus on that. And that's part of the prime process and that's going into the working set. Well, this, and this is extremely important for most all people.

About the only person I see a pyramid workout or where you just don't even prime the body, get right into your squats and you count those as your warmup, is somebody who's got incredible squat technique where they can go astagrass and their shoulders are retracted fine, they got good foot connection, they got great ankle mobility. If you've got great mobility,

you could probably go right into a squat and get right into it connected and be fine and this would work okay. But, you know, a majority, you know, and I'm talking like 80% plus of all clients I've ever trained in my life, need a lot of those imbalances addressed before they go into especially a movement like a squat.

Now, pyramid working to do bicep curls. Now, we're talking about some totally different, right? You go into your workout and you're about to do bicep curls. Does it require this extensive warm-up to get your biceps to fire correctly? No, not really. So, pyramiding on that is totally different than when we're talking about compound lifts like a squat, like a dead lift, like a bench press, like an overhead press. These big compound movements that require multiple

parts of the body to speak to each other, that is a whole different ball game than doing like an isolation curl or doing like a single Basic muscle like a bicep. I mean I said warming up if you warm up and you don't and you're not priming You're what you're doing is you're you're warming up the bad recruitment pattern. You're just right Strengthening the the recruitment pattern. That's not ideal for you. So it would be like a kid who holds a pencil in a very inefficient way. Maybe they just hold it with their whole hand, like a caveman, right? And that's how they write.

We're like our kids wear cold crowns. Yeah, cold crowns. And I just tell the person, keep practicing writing. Keep practicing writing. They will become very as efficient as they possibly can holding it that way. Now, we know if you hold it a different way that the efficiency can increase tremendously. But before I have them practice, I have to teach them,

I have to teach the body, I have to hold a pencil, and then we work through that way. Otherwise, they're just going to get really good at holding it, you know, like a crayon. Same is true for movements. If I'm not priming, if I'm just warming up, just getting warm and then jumping into my sets, all I'm doing is I'm strengthening that that recruitment pattern. That's not ideal. And this is when you have people who, you know, hey, I squat all the time, I do lunges all the time, I butt, I never feel my butt or my glutes don't build or, you know, my shoulders hurt every time I bench press, so I'm not going to bench press anymore. Or when I do back exercises, I just feel in my biceps. I

don't get my back to fire or bad posture or whatever. Yeah, when I squat, my knees hurt or when I squat, my low back hurts, all that stuff. And I'll tell you what, priming properly, let's say you take your work out, whatever your workout is right now. Don't change it. Don't do a damn thing to it. Keep it the same. No matter how bad it is. Don't change it. Don't do a damn thing to it. Keep it the same. No matter how bad it is. Don't change anything. And just prime properly.

And when I say properly, I don't mean that there's specific techniques that are better than others. I mean there are specific techniques that are better for you than others. It's very individual. The way Adam primes a squat could be drastically and dramatically different than the way someone else primes a squat. It could be very, very different.

So once you learn how to prime your body properly for yourself, you can pretty much guarantee you're gonna see better results out of the same workout, significantly better results, a lot better. In fact, that's the feedback we get with like maps prime. That's what maps prime was trying to address. Well, that's exactly why we created it. So it comes with a compass, so an at-home test that you do.

And the test is going to point out the areas that you need to address. And those areas are how you prime your body body and it leads you right to what movements are best to prime that area before you go into a squad, a bench, deadlock, and these movements that we're talking about. If you do that, okay, 100% the very first time you do it, you will see a difference. 100% right away.

Yes, and the older you are, or the more imbalances and more injuries and more issues that you've had with your body, whether it be aches and pains or injuries, the more apparent that will be. So maybe your 20-year-old gymnast may not be this huge drastic difference. It'll help. But the people that this is a game changer for is the rest of the population. Somebody who has poor recruitment patterns because we sit at a desk a lot or we have a job that requires us to use one side more on the other or whatever. All these things that we do repetitively day in and day out are creating poor recruitment patterns and priming is trying to get you to have the most ideal ones before you go into these big movements.

And believe it or not, from an aesthetics standpoint, if you have lagging body parts or areas that you're trying to focus on and doing all these like great movements, like, hey, my delts won't build, but I do so many overhead presses or my back just doesn't get developed and I do all these rows and all these pull-ups and whatever. Like from an aesthetic standpoint, if you prime properly, according to what you want to develop more or less, it's going to make a huge, it'll make those exercises. Everybody hears like lunges and squats and deadlifts, so effective for the glutes. Well, if you have an issue connecting your glutes, it's not, they're not effective for your glutes, just, it doesn't matter what you do. But if you prime properly,

all of a sudden you get, you yield the benefits of these exercises, and they're so damn effective for certain things, you just have to be able to get the body to move the way you want. And so, and I'll say this with all confidence, once you prime your workouts properly, you'll never not prime again. It makes that big of a difference.

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Oh, wow. That's got to be, I mean, Tom Bill, you've got to be up there, right? Yeah, he's one of them. Yeah, each of us individually probably could pick somebody here. What do you think? That yours. From an entrepreneurial standpoint? Well, author, entrepreneurial mind author's speaker, yeah.

I mean, from an entrepreneurial standpoint, Tom Bill you kind of blew my mind because of the story behind like what made a quest, one of the fastest growing companies in American history. People don't realize this is a food company. Obviously they make bars and stuff, but they went, I think they were the second or like fourth fastest-growing company period when they were introduced to the market. And one of the things that blew me away was they looked at the ingredients that they wanted, and what do you agree with their ingredients and their bars or not?

I'm not a big fan of protein bars in general, so it's not like I'm a huge fan of their products. I'm talking about from a business standpoint. They wanted certain ingredients to be in their product and they wanted to make a certain way and they were told it was impossible from a production standpoint with all the food manufacturers. Like they're like, it's not going to happen. It'll cost way a lot of money and it's going to be, you know, it's just not possible. And so what they did was is they actually invented the equipment to make the bars. So they had to create the process.

So Ray Croc. Which yeah, exactly. And which, number, from one standpoint, requires balls. Like, shit, ton of balls, in the sense that you're, you know, you've got to take a big wrist now. You're investing a lot of money on new equipment to build your ball, you know, you've got to take a big risk now. You're investing a lot of money on new equipment to build your bars, your bars or your food product. So they had to go out and invent the process.

And from another standpoint, you want to talk about, like believing in your dream. I mean, and, I mean, not only believing in your dream, but not being married to it. And what I mean by that is I think sometimes, we believe, and I've been and I mean, not only believing in a dream, but not being married to it. And what I mean by that is, I think sometimes, we believe, and I've been guilty of this, you believe in a dream so much, that then you fail to recognize

when it's time to change or move on, because you become so married to it. And part of that is because you've invested a lot of time and money. So, and this is, there's actually a psychological term to describe this, I can't remember the name of it, but when you feel like you've invested too much time and money and something to bail, we'll stick around for something that's just shitty. It's a shitty situation, a shitty idea, but you're like, I've already spent this much time

and money. I'm going to just keep pushing and seeing it through. And one thing that he did was he, you got bored of it and want to do other things, and so he left. And one thing that he did was he got bored with it and wanted to do other things and so he left. I mean, he left a billion dollar company to kind of do some other stuff, which is very fascinating. So from an entrepreneurial standpoint, I would say definitely Tom Bilyeu.

And then I'll think about something else while you guys are answering. Yeah, I think you definitely stole, you know, Tom Bilyeu is a big one for me for sure, but I also am very impressed with men in Greenfield. And just his motor that he has, you know, and like what he accomplishes on a daily basis and just watching him work, being around the guy and being involved in so many things. I mean, you see him all over Facebook, you see them in all these conventions. You know, he's just, he's the master of networking and partnerships in this podcasting game.

I mean, I feel like he's definitely like modeled a lot of what it means to be, you know, a valid business person in the podcasting world. And I've learned a lot just by, you know, watching him operate. And obviously, like, you know, helping us out and being that kind of a guy that's also a giver. So he's not, he's not just like dominating everybody. He's very, very much of a, you know, he'll reciprocate

and inclusive. So I appreciate that. He knows how to be the center of attention for sure. And I don't mean that in a negative sense. Like he knows how to like at Paleo FX. Oh yeah. Everywhere he went, he was, he's a man.

He was the one everybody was paying attention to because he was not afraid to take a shirt off, try out the piece of equipment, take the supplement in a weird way. You know, they had a test like who can lift this a thousand time, he'll do it. Like the guy is, he doesn't give a shit. So. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So first I want to say that this was something I was extremely surprised and when we started doing this, I definitely have learned something from every guest that we've had. I've learned a ton from all the guests we've had. I've learned a ton from all the guests we've had. Where I was surprised was not a lot of them are super business savvy. In fact, the more educated they were, or more successful they were in another arena, as far as whether it be a book or a PhD or a scientist got

whatever, they seem to really lack in other areas. And the business side happened to be one of the more challenging ones and more common ones I saw amongst almost all the guests we've had. So when you, the boys point out Ben Greenfield and Tom, those are the only two that came to mind to be right away. Other than I will give kudos to Doug and the boys at Barbell Shrugged.

You want to talk about an entrepreneurial mind that what they're doing right now in the CrossFit community, they're fucking the game up. Like there's nobody that's going to touch them for the next five to 10 years. They're that far ahead of everybody else. What they're doing is absolutely brilliant. I got a really good chance to talk with Doug and Doug and Mike,

Bletso, or the two original guys that started it all and brought the first CrossFit to, where were they at? Not Wisconsin. That was concert. Tennessee, is that right? Tennessee. The first, oh my gosh. that was concert. Tennessee. Is that right? Tennessee Tennessee the first oh my god. They were the first guys to bring a CrossFit there and they are now the first guys to create the software that helps all these other CrossFit

Box gym owners organize their business and be successful and they're fucking killing it, doing it. So they, I had an incredible time, spending time with them. I look forward to our relationship in the future and talking more with them. Before them, I've said it multiple times I think on this podcast already that Tom Billiou has been to me the guy who I reach out to the most when it comes to business stuff and want to pick his brain on what he thinks. I mean, because he's been a part of building a billion-dollar company. So the guys that I want to know, if you've built something that's worth $100 million or

more, these are the minds that I'm most interested in. And they mentioned authors and books. And I've always been a big people to people, you know, person to person, interest when it comes to business, because I wanna actually see them in action in their business, not just like how they wrote it all out in a fancy way, because it could be anybody that writes a book that has the philosophy behind

it in, you know, like they've done this in academics well, but a lot of times it's a big facade. Oh, very much so. A major facade. And a lot of times most of the financial success that these guys have earned is they wrote a fucking great book because they're smart. They're very smart. They wrote an incredible book.

It's not because they have this incredible business sense and they can build something at a nothing. Tom Billiou is such a great example of this because one, he just came from being a part of building a billion dollar company and you're now getting the opportunity to watch him build impact theory right now. So if you like these type of people and these type of people intrigue, if you're not watching what Tom Billio is doing on all his platforms and paying close attention, you're missing the fuck out.

Because, and this is what I've been telling everybody that I meet that has a similar question as this, is that listen, what these guys are doing, what he is doing currently at this moment is unbelievable. Ben Greenfield is also really cool to watch what happens to somebody who builds a very successful business around themselves and is now trying to pivot out of that transition. Yes, Ben has kind of been there, done that, made his money, been very successful, very, very successful on his own. So he's extremely impressive what he's done by himself. And now he's trying to transition out of his own company that he named after himself

and what that's like. So those two guys right now are great guys to pay attention and watch. And then also if your fans of of Barbell Shrugged, you know, Doug and Mike Bletsso, what they're the work that they're doing hands down. The way I look at these three, those three guys are that class. And we've interviewed a fuck ton of people,

a ton of great minds, intelligent, awesome people. Nobody touches them. You know who in my opinion? You know who, from a, not from a business standpoint, but really impacted me on just a whole, just a whole life kind of philosophy type of. Paul check for sure. Paul, Paul check is he embodies,

but awful business, bro. Right, right, yeah. But he embodies, he literally embodies, but awful business, bro. Right, awful. Right, yeah. But he embodies, he literally embodies all the stuff that we preach and the direction that we are all trying to take our own personal understanding to, like he is so far ahead of, and I'll just speak for myself, so far ahead of his own awareness

and understanding of all these things that I am, that I can only hope to be where he's at when I'm his age. Like the guy's mind blowing, the thing that Paul doesn't do well sometimes is he communicates it because he just speaks, you know, and sometimes he says shit, and it blows people out of the water, or he says it away to where people just don't right over their head

They don't want to listen But there's so much genius in what he says. I mean, I'll give you an example and I might have brought this up in a previous episode but When he and I just this is just one thing that blew me away when we were all eating dinner and Pulchak's not a religious person, but he would consider himself very spiritual. Hey, you talked about this just so you know. He takes a second and does something over his food. Like he puts his hand around the food and he like says something and he eats. And I'm like, well, you're not religious, you're not praying. Like, what are you doing?

And the way he explains it will blow everybody out of the water. Like, I'm, you know, I'm asking myself, my soul, if I want to eat this, I'm asking the food if it wants to be eaten, and if we're going to do this energy transfer, and he says all this stuff, and he's just like, what the fuck are you talking about? But if you really slow down and think about it, he's being super aware and connected to what he's eating, that's all he's doing. And if we all took the time to sit there and ask those questions, before we ate, we'd

all make better food choices. All he's doing is he's making himself super present when he's about to eat. And so as a result, his choices are usually very, very good. So that's just one example of some of the stuff in the, you know, his painting in between sets of his exercise and you'll hear more about that. I'd be hard to control. I'll do you know, after all that. Yeah, exactly.

Well, he's also a, he's a very good example though of like I said, all the other people that we met that are brilliant, I mean, we met tons of brilliant people. So I don't want to discredit anybody else that we didn't talk about because there has not been a guest here that I didn't learn a lot from. Everybody I've had, I feel so blessed to have interviewed all these great minds.

But when you ask a question like entrepreneurial mind, that totally, yeah, the one that drives off a whole shit, shit, I know, because there's this few of those. Yeah, and there's, it's one thing to build a business that's very successful for yourself, right? Like I, you're a good entrepreneur, you can, you can, you built it up enough to sustain a living for yourself, you're comfortable,

you have the things that you need, maybe you have like an assistant and you're good to go. Like that's one type of business. And for me, I think almost everybody that we meet has at least that skill set, but what I'm really drawn to, because I've been in my career where I get into,

I've been at the sticking point of taking a company to a $100 million company and what it takes to build a business to that level, it takes a whole nother breed of a person, a whole nother mind and the closest mind that I think we've come across that is like that would definitely be Tom Billey. Next question is from Rachel D.

Rachel is a trainer that has hit a plateau with a number of hours she can train and needs to find me time. What is the next step in advancing her career? Isn't she a cooking channel chick? Rachel D. Is it Rachel D? Is it Rachel D? Is Rachel Ray? That's right. I think. That's a good question. Do you know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of when people, parents in particular, moms more specifically become mortars for what they're doing.

It's all about the kids. It's all about them. I don't do anything for myself. And as a result, they're very stressed out. They become very miserable. And they't do anything for myself and as a result They're very stressed out they become very miserable and they find that they're and they're not aware of how Ineffective and inefficient they are at doing the stuff that they prioritize which is you know Maybe they're children or for example or you see a lot of guys doing this You see men and women doing this with business like I'm business business business business so much so that I won't Take care of my body. I won't take care of my health, I won't meditate, I won't do vacations or

or do things with my family. And as a result, what people don't realize is they become very inefficient and ineffective. And I looking back, I can use myself as an example. When I managed health clubs, now I had nothing else. I had no other responsibilities. So it really didn't matter. I loved being at the gym. But I'll be there from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m.

Usually sometimes seven days a week. And if I look at the amount of money I earned and divided it up by the amount of hours that I worked, I wasn't earning that much money per hour. Yeah. I was very, very ineffective. You're just occupying space. I was at the time.

And most of the time I was there, if I'm being quite honest, I wasn't being efficient with my job. So, and if you're a trainer and you're super focused on building your business, not taking care of you is going to hurt your business as well as the fact that you're realizing that you don't have that me time and you'll start to resent your clients and your job and you won the fact that you're realizing that you don't have

that me time and you'll start to resent your clients and your job and you won't have the energy and all that stuff. So, from a business standpoint, it's very, very smart to schedule in me time, period. Like take care of you because you cannot pour from an empty cup. You cannot devote and be your most effective self if you're not optimizing yourself. So that's number one. Now, in a more specific, from a more specific standpoint, as a trainer,

if you're training 10 clients a day and you're charging $70 an hour, and you're really good at getting clients and that's a ton of clients every single day. You need to raise your rates. Raise your price. There are certain signals in the market that you need to be wise to. I've had trainers actually come to me and tell me, oh, it works so many hours and I have

a waiting list of three months. Well, your pricing is off. You are not understanding the demand of your products. And if you had this long waiting list, what you're doing is you're hurting your business. Number one, people are benefiting from it. And you're not maximizing your time.

What you should be doing is rather than charging $70 an hour and working 10 hours is maybe charge $100 an hour and charge and train seven hours or whatever, do the math and figure out where you can make up the difference. So now you're training less, you're making the same amount, you're probably more of an effective trainer to the people you're training

because you're not so spanned. And you're reading the demand of your services a little bit better. Number one, if you're training shit tons of hours, you probably need to charge more number two. Do and schedule time for yourself because it's going to make you a more effective business person and trainer. Well, I like this question because it feeds into what we're currently talking about at Mind Pump Media right now. And we

real soon here are going to kick off a seminar that will be for free the first time where we're going to invite trainers just like yourself to come down here. So this would be something that I don't know where you live, but it'd be worth your playing to get because it will be free. And then the future we will charge for stuff like this where we're going to hold a, you know, how to make six figures in the fitness industry. And one of the things that I know I for sure want to discuss is what I've thought about fitness for the last at least five to six years is that it has to evolve, it has to change, and

we are in the decade right now where you're going to watch that happen. I think that the trainer model that we've seen for the last 20 plus years is going to drastically change. I think with the amount of tools that are out there and technology that we have and the ability to feel and stay connected to people virtually literally minute by minute every day, I think is going to devalue that one-on-one time. Does that mean that nobody will ever have a one-on-one trainer where they pay top dollar. Absolutely not.

There is still going to be clients who have lots of money and they want that private treatment of having a trainer standing in front of them. But for the majority, we are heading in the drain. We saw this happen after the .com era crash. We saw this major transition from during dot com, we saw it was almost trendy to have a trainer because everybody had a money. Everybody had this extra income to spend

on a personal trainer and health and fitness has been on an uptake for quite some time and now people have this. Crambled to create a group class. Exactly. So then you saw the dot com or a crash and like what Justin just said, soon trainers, like myself, I remember this time,

were like, oh shit, like I actually have to work to get clients. There was a time there where it felt like people were constantly walking in the door and looking for training. All I had to do was convince them on how well and they needed to train with me or what we needed to focus on.

And then I went through this transition of, oh shit, I actually need to get aggressive and go like find people to train. And then it got really challenging. I thought, man, not everybody can afford it. And this is one of those things that this is where they're cutting back. You know, job people are getting laid off, their wages are getting cut. And back then, training was looked at as a luxury. And so luxury things tend to go first.

And so training started to go away. And so those trainers that still were used to that income like I was and I wasn't willing to let that go. I had to get creative. And one of the ways I became creative was I started to create these boot camps that I was running outside of the gym that I was currently working at. And this allowed me to supplement my income. So I actually increased every single year as a trainer,

but it didn't get easier every year. In fact, it forced me to look outside. Do that. Well, now I feel like we're looking at, you know, the evolution of the group training classes have now evolved into CrossFit boxes, orange theories, you know, all these membership-based classes that are small, intimate, 20 to 40 people tops, and you get a personal trainer in there, so you feel like you're kind of getting 101, but you're not really getting 101, and it's a monthly fee that's super affordable, like $100 to $200 a month. Well, I think the next evolution to that is even less of the time with the trainer and even more affordable. So if you're not already transitioning yourself

into building a business around YouTube, social media, live streaming, a lot of what you're watching Mind Pump Media do, and we're far from done right now. This is what I believe is the future of personal training and you will need to get on board or find a company like ours when we're all in place to help you build that. Yeah, and I think now to like as you're in a sort of transitional part of your business

where you've pretty much maxed out on the amount of hours that you can do per day and fill in with clients. Like Sal said, you have to start, you know, you dress your rates and start opening up more time for yourself to venture into other ideas. The thing about, the thing that I love about the fitness industry the most is how much room there is for people to venture off into all kinds of different niches. And there is a lot of directions that you can go even now that we're kind of merging into the health and wellness side as well. So my suggestion is to really, you know really start opening up your time more, think about

what kind of products that you can create, whether it's a book, whether it's a tangible product, something you see within your niche, or get more education specializing yourself to separate and voice something very specific. So that way, you're more searchable and you can actually, as you increase your rates, it makes more sense because you're so specialized. And we're not necessarily on that. We're not specialized. I mean, we have, we definitely have our backgrounds that are kind of specialized, but what we're doing, I mean, unless you want to create a supergroup, like we got where we're trying to, we're trying to become a platform to provide quality specialists to come into our system and, you know, get exposure that way. Definitely going the specialist route,

I think, is something to look into and pursue. Well, I really like that. I wasn't asking you guys, what do you guys think about, what do you guys think for most average trainers? What do you think the most hours they should train per day to maximize both their career, but also, it makes them really good at being a trainer. That question you're asking is really tough one. It's a tough one, right?

It's tough. It's a good, like 12 hour days, you know? Like I smashed the hours off. Yeah, but you're pretty exceptional. You're an exceptional trainer. I know you very well and I know that the last client is gonna get the same level of commitment and services the first.

Right. No matter how good you are, you'll burn yourself out. No matter how good you are, you'll burn yourself out. No matter how good you are, as those hours increase, you're the attention to detail, and the service you're gonna provide, I don't care how good you are.

So you could argue all day that, hey, I can handle 8, 10, 12 in a day, but if you ask that same person, do you service 12 people better in a day or four people better in a day, that person would be lying if they said they serviced. Yeah, because I think, what I used to tell trainers that work for me when I had my private facility, right?

As I would tell them, your goal is to train 30 hours a week and figure out within those 30 hours, what you need to charge and make to basically what your target is because you don't want to make that having to work 40 or 50 hours a week. Personal training requires a lot of energy. There's a lot of jobs where if you're kind of in a bad mood or kind of tired, you can just sit quietly at your desk and do your job and do your thing. With personal training, your client shows up, you're on for that whole hour. You can't be quiet.

You can't be off. You can't be tired, you can't not be compassionate, you can't not be empathetic, you have to just be awesome, pretty much all day long. So if you're training eight clients in a day, you are on for eight hours and you're working for eight hours. It's very, very emotionally and mentally draining. So I used to tell my trainers like, six hours is what I recommend for most people

of everybody's a little different, but for me, I would go and of course, I would always push the limit, but I found when I trained about six, I was like, great. Eight was pushing it 10. I used to do a lot of 10 hour, 10 client days. I went all the way down to like three or four day max. Like, that's how I operate for a long time.

And I loved it. Well, here's something for you to think about it. I don't know if I've mentioned this on the podcast before. I know we've talked about this many times off air. Is that if you don't know that YouTube by next year will be the number one search engine. So it will pass Google its own by Google too. to buy next year will be the number one search engine. So it will pass Google its own by Google too.

So that's not like that's a big deal to them. But think about that for a second that if you're a part of a generation right now that let's pretend this was when Google first started and if you say you were starting like Justin said, you're trying to find a niche in the fitness industry that something that you love to do or that you bring to the table, that's unique and different. And imagine if you could be the person

that most of the searches come up for that arena or that area. And to put that in perspective, you can watch what mine pump is doing right now. There's a reason why we drop a video every single day. And every day, it's a very slow. Like we add between 40 to 60 subscribers every single day. And it's a long grind.

But when you think about it in 10 years from now, when we have thousands of videos that are out there with thousands of different titles, all related to health and fitness. It's, we are trying to dominate the search engine and hopefully with good quality videos and good information that you can trust that over the next five to 10 years,

you know, when people go to YouTube to search for something related to what we talk about, we're gonna be one of the top YouTube channels that pop up. Well, as a trainer, you know, I wish somebody would have told me this way back when it first started. I didn't really understand how, I thought YouTube was more of an entertainment thing when it first started.

I didn't look at it as like a business tool, like I do now. And so if you're a fitness person and you're not looking into all these different platforms as a tool to catapult your business, you're slowly bleeding out right now. If you're just doing the basic nine to five or nine to ten o'clock, whatever your hours are of training clients, there's nothing wrong with that. If that's where you want to be, if you want to make your X amount of dollars, you love

people, you love seeing them every day, you know. For me, I was over that really quick. It would only be a couple of years in a personal training, and I knew I wanted more, I wanted to do something else, and that it was very wearing, and I get tired all day long of giving all my energy to these individual people. If you're not already looking in the direction of different social media platforms to leverage. Well, let's talk about that

because liquid's already happening with employers, how they're looking at your following going into. So say this job right now that you currently have isn't panning out and you're trying to apply for another job in another gym, they're gonna look and see what kind of following you have versus the other person. That's pretty good, you can take a look at that.

Oh, that's true. There's many companies right now are adopting this as part of your application. So if you're a trainer, hey, I want to work at, you know, XYZ Jam, they're going to look at everything plus they're going to say, well, what's your social media following

and what's your, and which makes sense? And I, and I know this, I know this is going to, it's already happening. Yeah. This is going to irritate some people, but I'll tell you right, and this is the truth from a business, as from a business owner perspective If I have you know trainer Justin that has the

Social media following right and it's all big and then I've got you know trainer Lane who's got a it's a PhD brilliant mind But doesn't have any social presence whatsoever. I'm actually going to lean towards Justin because when it comes to converting into dollars, I know that his reach and his community is going to pay off in my business more than even this PhD guy who may be able to answer more questions than Justin could. So just keep that in mind that when you are thinking for.

That's got to apply for sales jobs. 100%? 100%? Yeah, there's companies already that. Didn't even think of that. This is part of the application process. In the future it will be mandatory so if you're not already you know there's either there's two types of people right now that are using these plow. If you look at it which cracks me up to when people talk about some of the shit that I post and I'm

like you know I don't give a fuck like this, this is for business for me. Like all of my, all my social media, I turned that on to assist the business. It was not, I'm not a consumer. Does that mean I don't go check out my family and see my friends? Sure, I do that every once in a while, but 99% of what I utilize it for is for business and business relationship.

So if you're not already thinking that way already, you should be, this is the type of stuff. Start growing now. This is the type of stuff that we will be covering in the seminars that we do in the future. So hopefully we can help out. Next question is from Fairyland, who is asking, have you done Pilates? If so, do you think it's beneficial for someone who weight trains? So I did Pilates for about seven years and I'm not just kidding.

Tell me how about it. Yeah, before I know. So I'm very, very familiar with Pilates because I've worked with Pilates instructors as clients, but I've never taken Pilates. Now, here's something that you want to consider when you're doing a modality that is based on a particular style or technique is that the style or technique becomes the priority. And what I

mean by that is when you do Pilates there is a there is definitely a Pilates way of doing the movements. There are Pilates exercises. Same thing holds true for other types of movements. Do you have an example? Or, well, you guys have seen Reformer work before, right? Pilates, by the way, was invented to train ballerinas and ballet performers. It's designed to create lots of stability, lots of long lines, and not long muscle bellies. That's fucking bullshit advertising.

You can't do that. You can't change your muscle bellies length, but long lines. Because when you're in ballet, that's what you've ever watched high level ballet performers. You can see that it's all about these. It's a very particular type of movement that creates this this illusion with the movement and it's very very You know, it's branded very much ballet. Well Pilates was designed to train ballet performers to develop the stability and strength to do ballet, okay?

Resistance training on the other side is all about training your body. It's not about doing a particular style or whatever. So I can do resistance training for anything. I can do resistance training for ballet. I can do resistance training for football. I can do resistance training for rehab. So there is no form of exercise that is more moldable than resistance training at all. Nothing comes close, nothing. There is nothing that comes close to resistance training's ability to mold, inform itself around the individual. So that being said, some of the drawbacks of Pilates

is if you have imbalances, for example, they say, oh, it works out your core. Well, if your hip flexor dominant, Pilates is wrong for you. Because if your hip flexor dominant, almost all of the lower body movements are going to, just get a reinforce that. They are going to really reinforce hip flexor dominance.

I have had a fucking hard time training some of these clients and instructors on correcting their hip flexor dominance because they did years of Pilates and they reinforced these hip flexor dominant movements. So then when I go do other exercises, it's like so solidified that the only success I've ever had is I've had them take time off. Pilates, why would we correct imbalances and then they were able to go back and then have

more favorable recruitment patterns. Now, that being said, if you're relatively healthy and you're aware of developing imbalances, Pilates does some fucking amazing stuff. Like, you want to talk about stability, especially limit extended ability, stability in the hips, stability in upper back posture, stability in the shoulders. Pilates is amazing. It's incredible.

I mean, strength yoga. It's actually very, very different. Like yoga, when you're in a position for yoga, you're holding a position and staying very tense. With Pilates, there are movements with very short ranges of motions. You are actually moving in repetition within these short, I've never done seen bar classes, bars. It's not Pilates, but you can see how it's related to Pilates. So if you just do resistance training, you're really strong on the gym, and then you go do Pilates, you're going strong on the gym, and then you go do Pilates, you're gonna find yourself shaking,

it's gonna suck. It's very specific. What's interesting is Dr. Andrew Spina, he actually, somebody had coined the functional range conditioning as a hybrid of yoga and Pilates, but added all this scientific data and a study behind it.

So he's just the way that he organized it is different, but he pulled heavily from Pilates. Yeah, I called it strength yoga because I've done it before. And that's what it reminds me of, is like doing yoga type positions with repetitions and strength. So that's why I called it that. I think it that.

I think it's just like, does it do reformer Pilates or did you do? I've done both. Yeah, I've done both. I've actually dated a Pilates instructor. So I've had my fair share of Pilates in my life. And I think it's great, but I also think it's just like what Sal said.

I mean, I think of it like Pilates yoga running rowing These are all these are very specific type modalities and movements that could complement a weight training program But they're totally different like Sal said weight training program is very specific to you, right? Unless you're running some generic group class You know, ideally you're lifting that's movements that are specific to your body, that's ideal. At least that's what we talk about.

And that's what maps is all about is trying to find that for you, right? But I also believe that if something like this, if you go and do it and it gets you moving away that you wouldn't move and you don't injure yourself and you do the proper, if you got maps and you're priming your body and you're doing the things to work on the imbalances, then I'm all for it. In fact, if I had to compare it to rowing running yoga, I would probably put Pilates up there and one of the better ones of all those, I would probably put Pilates up there and one of the better ones of all those

less detrimental in comparison to like running or doing something intense like rowing. So that I would I would if you're if you're doing the right weight training I think you could totally compliment that and I think if you like and you love doing it. I think it's awesome now personally I would create my own like let's say you're going to do, you've got maps three times a week and then you're thinking about throwing Pilates in there two times a week. Well, I would throw two days of priming in that two days of fortification sessions or prime instead of Pilates. And then what you're doing is you're taking the benefits that you may find from Pilates and you're being very specific to what your body needs and you're spending an hour a day on those off days.

That's what I would do. You know what I find interesting is, Pilates has some of the best inadvertent marketing that I can think of and what I mean by that is, if you're a woman and you wanna get in shape, and you know Pilates was designed for ballet dancers, and you know what like the top ballet dancers look like. You're immediately like, I'm doing Pilates, right?

Meanwhile, if you're that same woman and you wanna get in shape, and you're like, hmm, I think about what a lift weights, and you look at body shape. And you're like, hmm, I think I'm on what a lift weights. And you look at bodybuilders. You're probably like, fuck that, I'm not gonna do that. Right. Crossfit became very popular among women because they did such a good job

of having like examples of women who lift weights and how they look. And you had these women that looked amazing. And they're like, hey, I did lift and squat, whatever, incidentally, the exercise that build the most muscle, but all of a sudden, one more like I wanna do it because they wanna look like those people.

Same reason why when yoga first came on to the saying, no men did yoga. Now you're seeing men doing yoga, but at first it was because the example or the pinnacle of yoga was like this woman who did. It's all this like really smart marketing. Men would benefit greatly from doing Pilates as well. I mean, if that's your thing and you want to train

and those ranges of motion, you're like Adam was saying, you've already got a pretty good hold of how your body works and whatnot. Go take a Pilates class and see how it feels. You'll be surprised at how challenging it is. But like anything, the detriment is it because it's a specific form of technique. It's a specific type of movement.

So I have trained, my cousin actually is a very, very high level ballerina. She's performed in New York and she's the lead in, I forgot what show. I think it's a nutcracker in Sacramento, San Jose. She's very, very, very, very talented, but doing it for a very long time has gotten scholarships through ballet. And if you look at her, of course, she's developed a baller, the muscles that are very heavily worked in ballet.

So she walks around with this ridiculously tall posture and nice shoulders and all that stuff because of holding the position stuff. But if you take her in the gym, you have her with weights and you put her in other ranges of motion that are not actively trained in ballet, things start to break down. Like if you have her do a deadlift, it looks like a plie. And I mean, it looks like she just, she wants to get down like a ballerina would because her body has had to mold to the art or to the sport. And so if

you just do Pilates, then your body has to learn and create recruitment patterns to make it as efficient and effective at Pilates. Well, it's a sport in a sense that kind of, right? It's not really that beneficial to the joints. Like I've had a lot of clients with knee problems that were dancers knee and hip problems just of the, all day long. And if you've ever seen a ballerinas feet, you can see the beating, absolute beating that they take because of the technique. They're up on their tippy toes.

Oh yeah. But if you weight train properly, then again, it molds to your body. So I can train anybody. And there is no set, like, form or structure, like we love, I love squats, right, Barbara squats, one of the best exercises you possibly do, I can have someone come in and who can't squat, and I can still train those muscles using different movements, depending on their body. If you're doing Pilates, you're kind of limited, you know what I mean, like here's the Pilates

movements, and unless you have a really good instructor who can modify the fuck out of things You're a little bit limited. So That all being said again, I want to echo You know what Adam was saying if you're if you're resistant to anything right and you want to add Pilates and you enjoy it Go for it man. It's activity. It's, and you'll get a completely different type of workout. With that being said, MindPump is still offering 30 days of coaching, and it's still for free.

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