Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 515: Test Boosters that Work, Organic vs Conventionally Grown Food, Firing Problem Clients & MORE

Episode Date: May 26, 2017

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Big Top Beard Company (bigtopbeardcompany.com, code "mindpump" for 33% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about non-negotiable foods to buy organ...ic, firing problem clients, career paths other than health and fitness and the effectiveness of test boosters. Get our newest program, Kettlebells 4 Aesthetics (KB4A), which provides full expert workout programming to sculpt and shape your body using kettlebells. Only $7 at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, in this episode, we start off with a lot of fun. We told some good gym stories. About 30 minutes of it. Oh, yeah. Got indoor diets.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Yes, we're currently eating. Yeah, we talked to the bubble, we're currently eating., yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, episode, we talk about foods that you almost always want to buy organic. And other foods that, it's not that big of a deal if you buy them non-organic. We also talk about the times we've had to actually fire clients. Yes, we've actually told friends to fuck off. We also talk about what we would do if we weren't in the fitness industry. Maybe Adam talks about doing porn. Yeah, you got to listen to the episode to hear that part. I put in like maybe a second worth of information.
Starting point is 00:01:09 And lastly, I know a lot of times we come across as anti-supplement, but we actually talk about some herbs that you can take that may boost your testosterone, but it only works for certain kinds of people. If you wanna find out if that'll work for you, you gotta listen towards the end of the episode. Sex binding something or other you're talking about.
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Starting point is 00:03:06 Is it me or looking for? Come on, Justin. Whoa, dude. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, I was fighting it inside. I knew you were yeah, you actually looked at me like Like you're holding a poop. Yeah, I came in this morning singing and Justin just fucking like clockwork Yeah, takes over and you're my trigger and for and blesses my ears with Just beauty He couldn't hold it for that long. I can sit in your eyes.
Starting point is 00:03:49 I can sit in your smile. Whoa. You're all I've ever wanted. Hello. Adam, you could you do that? What is that? Could you imagine if it could sell? No, bro.
Starting point is 00:04:02 I know Richie. What are you seeing over there? That's Lionel Richie, dude. No, no, I I did not know that god damn it. You disappointed me right now Well, I'm also not listening. Could you how can you not listen to that? I'm even more disappointed I'm told you I try to finish it close you guys my feeling of fire up right away It's like you're it would be yeah, it would be like an angel coming down from heaven It's right in front of you and you're fucking like it's all it's all on Facebook, Brighton. Yeah, light. I'm emanating. I miss Jesus. Sorry. Oh, beautiful colors. Oh, whatever. Yeah. Can you close my eyes? Will it be on it? Could you imagine?
Starting point is 00:04:35 I was just thinking about this the other day. Yeah. I was like, why does Adam suck so bad at singing? Like, why is this so terrible? And know why now why is it can imagine if he's saying good can't have everything Exactly it would be Well first of all you to try to scare someone would kill him because it's too much Well, you know, I mean he'd be in Hollywood for sure. Oh, Hollywood. He'd be the Emperor of the world. So So God It had to smite the horrible voice. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:05:08 God and his wisdom and glory said, look what I've created. I gotta do something to, because this is not gonna be just not good for humanity. And you down, fucked up singing. I think it has something to do with, which is also, it gives me this incredible radio voice. Is all the flim in my throat from fucking out of cheese. Because I'm constantly clearing my throat and spitting it.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I've been trying to get more, more of that huskiness to my voice. And I've been smoking like four packs a cigarette a day. It's not working. Yeah. I don't think it was ever that. I didn't smoke it that for years. I know, not for you, yours is natural. I need to performance enhancing grisly
Starting point is 00:05:45 So this is for my and I's tried swallowing sandpaper. None of that has affected me in a positive way my voice still sounds I still have that that kermity Yeah, that one's a little bit more like that. I hate you dude cuz now when I listen to our Now at this to our podcast, you can't help but hear that sound. Yeah, I'm just like, fuck. He's right. No.
Starting point is 00:06:11 You know what though, in person, it's exaggeration. It's a good thing, my words are brilliant. Otherwise, you know, it would be good. It is a good thing. You know what you're talking about. I don't think you sound that way in person. I think in person when people meet you,
Starting point is 00:06:22 they're surprised. I don't think we have a lot of people that are like, oh my god, you do suddenly curmit when they meet you. No. You know what? You know what? You know what though? Yeah, why haven't you?
Starting point is 00:06:32 I've heard a lot of people with a curmit-y sound. Like my girlfriend actually has a little bit of that essence tour point of view. She loves that. Yeah, but I've had, but I'll tell you what, I've had several people who have tell you what, I've had several people who have met who look at me and go, wow, it's so weird. You sound just like you do on the podcast. I'm like, obviously no shit. So no, I never had anybody say
Starting point is 00:06:53 that. You sound different in person. Oh, really? I sound the same. My favorite was like that, that one kid we met at PaleoFex. And he's like, when, when Adam was like, saying some asshole comment to me, he's like, ah, fuck you, man. And he's like, when Adam was like saying some asshole comment to me, he's like, ah, fuck you, man. And he's like, well, that's like exactly what you'd say in the podcast. Blush. You lose mind. Yeah, it's really us.
Starting point is 00:07:13 You know what, one perception that's totally off with us is that people will meet us and they think we're these fucking raging party animals. Like they, you know what I'm saying? Like they're like, hey man, we're this is all cool. Can you guys stop talking about business? Yeah, we're gonna do all these drugs and drinking go crazy and we joke around like that. But in reality, all we do is sit around and go to bed early.
Starting point is 00:07:38 We're kind of funny, daddy. Well, I think the most common thing I got was that it's exactly the same as the podcast. So when you ran into us at Paleo, it was like a moving or walking podcast, which I think that's the formula and the magic of the show is that there is no preparation. There is no non-being ourselves. It's literally the conversations that we feel, the topics we feel like talking about for the day, and it's exactly how we would say it, we deliver it, there's no intention or purpose behind it. So I think that's part of the magic, and when we meet somebody in person, I think they expect something different.
Starting point is 00:08:18 I think they think of this like a show where there's preparation, and that we put, you know, turn your phone off, dude. Oh, man. Your mom was testing to me. Rune in the mean slow. Again. Exactly. I forgot to tell you guys.
Starting point is 00:08:31 And my mom. And no, I was joking. Dude, don't push it. Nah, I feel bad. Yeah. In the locker room. She called me. I have another locker room story for you guys.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Oh, again? Yeah. I love those. So. This saga continues. So this saga continues. Is this another sauna one or something? No, no, no, no, no, no, this is actually weird. I was in the bathroom inside one of the stalls doing my thing. And I heard, taking your name.
Starting point is 00:09:00 I heard. Long ass shits. No, not, yeah, I guess. And I heard a reminiscent sound and I can't duplicate it on the podcast because it would require me to pull my pants off. But it's the sound of the, you know the Chinese drums in Karate Kid 2, you know what I'm talking about, they spin. Yeah, and the thing hits both sides. Yeah. And you know how when you were like a kid, you would do that with your wing.
Starting point is 00:09:26 You'd move your hips and it would, that that that that both sides are. Yeah, but you just shake your hips and you do that. But it's a very distinct. You didn't meet spin. Yeah, it's a very distinct sound. Like you guys would know if you heard it. Of course.
Starting point is 00:09:37 If I was in the next room, you'd know exactly what that was. That's a cock. Somebody. You're doing the side to side, you know, cock sound. Somebody is whipping their dick next to you. Bro, I heard that exact sound. No way. And there's no mistaking it.
Starting point is 00:09:51 There's no other way you can make that sound. Well, was it like fake it? Like, like three times, or was it like a while? Like, it was cycles of it. It was like, like, like, like, like, and then, like, like, like, like, like, you can't see. You can't do it. I would literally have to do it right now.
Starting point is 00:10:04 It was like this, like, no, it doesn't even whack, you can't see, you can't do it. I know, I'm trying. I would literally have to do it right now. It's like this, like, hey. No, it doesn't even work. That's kind of close, yeah. It doesn't work because you have the same consistency in your hand when you're slapping. You need a weiner. You need a weiner. Exactly. You need to be a little bit softer.
Starting point is 00:10:19 So, I heard this. I heard the sound. I heard the helicopter sound several times. Right next to me, I'm like, is that someone fucking, you know, doing the helicopter thing or whatever? So I look down at the feet and the feet are. Were they jostling? No, the feet are facing the toilet.
Starting point is 00:10:42 So they're obviously standing. You know what I mean? Like they're gonna pee, which is the position you'd have to be in in order to do it. Like you'd have to stand. Is this a kid or an adult? It was a grown ass man. So big feet, yeah. So I'm like, this is fucking weird.
Starting point is 00:10:57 So I'm like, whatever. We get out, I get out of the bathroom before the guy does, he walks out, totally it and he does a one two shake like he does it one two times boom boom So I'm like for sure he was doing that yeah for sure he was doing that shit in the stall next to me I don't know why I'm thinking he has a very strange Shake off method, you know, I mean trying to get the the drips or whatever off? Whoa. Or I think you like hurricanes it off. Or he's just fucking hilarious. That's funny you brought that up because I didn't bring this up, but I have to now that
Starting point is 00:11:31 you said this when we were at the movie theater, right? When we were come back from Austin, right? Before we flew out and we were waiting for our plane. We went and saw what the fuck do we see? You guys saw Guardians of Galaxy. That's right. We saw Alien. That's right. So as I'm coming out, there's a guy that's going in this big dude big like probably 250 plus Tall dude stand next to me, which What is the etiquette for peeing at the urinal? What are you are you are you allowed to talk to me? Don't you're told your own dick. You can't do it for someone. Yeah, no, I know number one
Starting point is 00:12:03 I know that much. Okay. But aren't you supposed to look, don't grab my straight ahead, right? If there's, if there's men on each side, right? If you're shoulder to shoulder, like when the urinals are that close where you're like shoulder, you're touching the shoulder. Is there a divider? No, no divider. Oh, yeah, there was no.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I never use a nerve to hold a divider. Yeah, well, that's where I, and I always feel like there's, like when there's dividers, that's, if you look down, you're still seeing everybody's car. Exactly. So I feel like there's like when there's dividers and that's if you look down You're still seeing everybody's car exactly. So I feel like there's there's visible urinal etiquette when there's no Dividers on the urinals when you're standing shoulder to shoulder next to another man literally you're I can feel his shoulder against mine And you do have a white shoulder and you know and I'm a white guy so I imagine there's another white guy next to me So we're literally you know, whatever he does I feel you know, so we're standing there and I'm looking straight ahead and this dude does one of the longest
Starting point is 00:12:52 Shake-offs like and as a kid I was taught like any any more than three times you're technically playing with it Which is what's a female made that so is that right? I don't know I don't know she did don't actually did, cause a lot of times you can do more than three. Yeah, you should like 50 times. Well, that's a long, that's how I felt. He did like you, so maybe you and him read the same book because he must have shook that thing 50 times. He probably, when I'm next to somebody.
Starting point is 00:13:18 He probably, his wife probably, you know, which a lot of wives make this mistake, they just do, they'll go to the store and they'll be like, honey, I'm gonna buy you underwear and they come back with fucking white underwear and he doesn't want the yellow peppy stain. You know what I mean? He doesn't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:13:33 He doesn't want the yellow underwear. I just white underwear even exists. Seriously. It's the wrong color. You know what, it was a deal, it was at Costco and it was like this, this, of crazy 50% off. And my wife's like, yeah, I just got you all
Starting point is 00:13:47 all of a sudden where I'm like, they're white. What the fuck? They're disposable, using ones to that too. Exactly, I'm like, dude, listen, I'm a clean guy. You know, I pride myself in washing and keeping care of myself, but they're white, dude. It doesn't give you any room, like any drip,
Starting point is 00:14:06 any, you know, accidental fart. Yeah. Some shit happens, you know. A deep butt scratch. You can't hold me to that. Yeah, deep butt, like some itchy bunghole, you know, something, like you're gonna have to do something. Yeah, and like it leaves a little bit of a mark.
Starting point is 00:14:23 You can get, man, you can get like every, like, it's not cool. You'd be like, hey, give me your underwear, I need a blood sample, a feces sample, and like it leaves a little bit of a mark. You can, man, you can get like every like, it's not cool. You'd be like, hey, give me your underwear. I'd do the blood sample, a feces sample, and a pea sample. That's why I was dreaming of sample. It's like a petri dish. It wasn't really easy to convert me in my early 20s
Starting point is 00:14:34 over to the baby wives. That's why I'm a huge fan of them. Oh my God, dude. It's like, what's with you? You were so angry at Austin. You were so bad at Austin because you didn't have your baby wives. I know what you want.
Starting point is 00:14:45 You're butt-holms. I told Katrina's normally rock solid. She normally helps me pack, and she normally takes care of my bathroom stuff. I mean, the audience needs to know, this was a 30 minute angry conversation, you got everybody. We were driving somewhere for 30 minutes, Adam was like,
Starting point is 00:15:02 really fucking angry, he's a ranting about why, what the fuck, man, I need wipes. Hey, I do, I don't understand why people look. What's a good like replay, can you do like, there is no replace, you can't take the paper when it's not worth it. No, it's not worth it. Zingie just leave like remnants all over there.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Yeah, no, that does not work. And I've tried that in the ordinary city. Yeah, I've tried everything, bro, none of that stuff works. Don't put down, do the DIGO, Mayor City. You've got to have the baby wipes. If you don't have the baby wipes, it does not work. What if you do a little bit of life?
Starting point is 00:15:29 I've tried. You do a little moisturizer. Try it at all. I don't think so. Try it at all. Everything from hanging my butt over a scene and splashing in there like, oh my fuck you. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Hold on a second. That's so wrong. You're a weirder. You watched your blood in the sink. I did it at your house because you didn't have baby wipes. You wash your... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha in the thing but not washing her. I just don't. Okay, so this guy does this. It kind of makes sense. You're rubbing my shoulder and he's swinging away at this thing for at least at least to go 30 seconds and I'm it's shaking mine. It's shaking my shoulder.
Starting point is 00:16:11 You're gonna let go. Yeah, you're like those vibrations are coming right now in your body. Yeah, he did the one. I almost wanted it. I'm after you. It's a good start. It was like synchronized. It was synchronized shaking and I almost felt like afterwards I should thank him.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Yeah, wow. We got in the flow there. A little over over over killed though. But he was so big, you just like let him. Yeah. That was me to say anything. Yeah. Whatever. Thank you, my friend.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Hey man. Reminds me the situation we're about to get ourselves in today. So we're going to record a how to defend yourself in a bar fight. Yes. I'm pretty excited. I am. And a little bit nervous. a chord, a how to defend yourself in a bar fight. I'm pretty excited for it. And a little bit nervous. And the person teaching you actually gonna fight. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:16:52 You get to play the chick, that's why. Oh yeah, sweet. I get to play the douchebag in a fliction. Who asked you to try and pick up on it? Justin asked to pretend to be a girl, Adam has to be himself. I'm interested. I know. Exactly. It's an interesting, as if you would be an asshole too, by the way, the guy coming, I
Starting point is 00:17:09 don't know, I can say who it is, right? Of course. I can say it's Kyle Kingsbury. He's a pro MMA fighter, but as if anybody would go up to Kyle's girlfriend while he's at the bar. He's massive and he's got all the signs of being able to kick your ass like the club for. Well, I think we're going to, we haven't decided how it's gonna look, but I think you're gonna play the boyfriend. Justin's gonna play the girlfriend. I'm gonna be the asshole. Kyle's gonna come save you.
Starting point is 00:17:33 So I'm the pussy boyfriend? Yeah. I don't want to. That's what you get. You didn't want to have any lines. You know, you see, I was like, I don't want to have any lines. Perfect. I've just the role for you. Oh, so I'm just saying nothing., sweetie. I want to be the point I'm gonna come over and just like take your girl from you. Yeah, and you're not gonna say shit Wow, I can't read the here Adam's opening lines. You're so I won't even I'm just gonna grab you May I got an idea. Wow. Just grab you by the pussy. Oh, it's a dress And then I'm gonna bring you and I'm gonna take you to the dance floor and then Sal's just gonna sit there and be like fuck
Starting point is 00:18:03 I don't know what to do. He's wearing a fliction. I think he's just gonna sit there and then Kyle's gonna come over and and and cause some beef and beat on you Yeah, well, I'm not gonna wear a skirt. Why? I thought we agreed on that. I'm you know, I'm going with the blouse Okay, well, you know, he's because you know, Justin He's like I could get violated. He's more just in the he's a he's a pro he's a very A pro-read conservative woman. I wanted to ask you guys. Did you guys I literally today is the first day I'm just feeling like I'm coming back to normal. I've been really tired to last two days like overly tired Yeah, like to like unmotivated to get off the couch type of tire Related. Yeah, it will a little bit of the time difference, you know, in Austin, but like really,
Starting point is 00:18:45 it was just, we're throttling at 1,000. That's a sense. So is anyone else? Because I told Katrina, I came home yesterday from work and she's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, I'm fine. Nothing was wrong with me. But I could feel my energy.
Starting point is 00:18:57 And then when I sat on the couch, it was like, I just didn't want to get up. We just put out a lot of energy when we were there. My gut was off there, so that might, you know, but yesterday I might have been tired ahead and I got so pissed off with the whole post office debacle. So that kind of energized me, I guess, a little bit through anger. But otherwise, yeah, otherwise, I think I'm, I think I'm feeling okay. You know, it's funny. I was, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:22 we talk a lot about the motivations behind why we maybe eat right or exercise or whatever. And we talk about how there's steps right of awareness with it. And, you know, the kind of the first step of awareness is doing it for aesthetics. And the next step of awareness is doing it for health. And then the final step is just who you are. So you're not really doing it for a particular thing. It's just how you live. And those are the choices you're not really doing it for a particular thing. It's just how you live and those choices you make and you enjoy doing it.
Starting point is 00:19:47 And I realize that I'm still not really there yet because I, although aesthetics isn't my primary driving force anymore, my, my gut health is still one of my primary forces or drivers. And let me tell you why that's a problem because some people are like, well, that's a good thing. Here's why it's a problem. When my gut health is great, then I start to slip because I don't have that motivation, because it's tied to that, you know what I'm saying? So for a while there, I was having great gut health, and so I just started pushing the boundaries, and then my body reacted,
Starting point is 00:20:20 and I have this autoimmune response now that I'm dealing with right now. So now I'm eating perfect and doing everything right. And my girlfriend's like, wow, you're so motivated. And it's like, yeah, but for the wrong reasons, I should be doing this just because it's just a great way to live, not because my body's telling me fuck you and it's having this reaction.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah, you're just trying to find that balance. You know, and be flexible because when we're out, it's pain in the ass. Literally. Yeah, so you're just trying to find that balance, you know, and be flexible because when we're out, it's pain in the ass, you know, literally. Yeah. So you're blasting it out. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think I think we all kind of do the same thing. I do the same thing.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I find myself, it's like it's like a waxes of wings, you know? Because when we were together, which I think is funny because you probably think I eat like that, I eat the most, you know most off the chain when we're out traveling. Of course. That's in and I probably all of us do. Well, yeah, and I justify it because those trips don't happen that often. One of the worst things we do when we go
Starting point is 00:21:16 when we're all together, because it's funny, if you look at our food choices, except for the few times what we act like, we're 14 year old girls at a slumber party and we buy a cake and ice cream and stuff like that, which is pretty rare. For the most part, if people were to look at our nutrition, even when we're eating quote-unquote bad, it's still pretty good. You know, the big thing that we do that we totally miss is we eat zero vegetables.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Well, that's what, you know, that's a hard thing to do. It is, especially when you're traveling. When you're traveling, it's when I'm home, I have like my routine like, either things that I have in the house or places I go, in case I can't get into my house, which I'm sure you guys all have the same thing. And when you're on the go, getting good fresh vegetables is fucking hard,
Starting point is 00:21:59 it's not super available. Yeah, it's tough, it's tough to do. I've noticed I, like it's such a dramatic difference in the way I feel when I don't get them. You know, I can eat meat and meat. I can dig, I'm pretty good with. I don't have intolerances to meat for the most.
Starting point is 00:22:13 You know, this is kind of a good transition into a question that I did see come up multiple times in the last couple of weeks with people just kind of curious to how each of us individually eat and what are like our good go to foods and what a normal day of eating looks like for you. But I haven't shared my food in a long time because I haven't been tracking. So for me, it's very much so intuitive eating.
Starting point is 00:22:37 The only thing I would say that's different about how I'm eating now is I've recently gone got back to making sure I'm getting enough protein because something that I found, and I wanted to share this on the podcast because I know we talk out a lot about the over-consumption approach because in the bodybuilding industry. And the recommendations are crazy.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Yeah, the recommendation is crazy. And if you're a bikini or men's physique, if you're a competitor more than likely, you're an over-consumer, but there is a chance and if you're a bikini or men's physique if you're a competitor more than likely You're an over consumer But there is a chance that if you're not a competitor You're just a normal person who's trying to work out you could be under consuming especially if you're a bigger guy like myself I under consume and and here's the things that I've connected With why that happens for me is for a long time, I was a huge carb and sugar eater.
Starting point is 00:23:27 So it's very easy and natural for me to gravitate towards carbohydrates. And I find that when I'm in two of eating in quotation here, I tend to still gravitate towards the carbs. So I have to actively go after protein to make sure I hit my RDA. And I've noticed that since that's the only thing that I'm really watching or tracking right now
Starting point is 00:23:54 is just making sure I'm making it a point to make sure I get that in. I don't really care about where my car been take, where my fat intake is. I'm choosing the same type of foods for the most part. Just where I would find myself going after a car, but I go, wait a second, I'm still only at 100 grams of protein today, I should go get a meal, that's more balanced. Now, I think it's important to note with that
Starting point is 00:24:16 is that you were under eating protein, but sometimes that's okay, and it's actually probably a good thing to do that sometimes because you'll notice and you actually made it famous. Yeah, it made me very responsible. Yeah, like you bumped it and it's like you bumped it to like 300 grams of protein. Not even over 200.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Right, you bumped it to 180, 180 to 200. Right, so you were eating under 100, which is for muscle building purposes, it's not for essential, you had essential proteins like you were under your central intake, but you were eating less than the ideal amount for muscle building performance, and you did that for a little while,
Starting point is 00:24:51 and then when you went up to 180 grams, which for a 220 pound guy is still not a ton, you noticed this like boost from it. Oh, right away. And I think it's important people know that it's a good idea to have days where you have lower protein. It's a good idea to have periods of time where you're lower carb or lower fat or just like it's all those things.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Like everybody says, you need to have tons of great sleep all the time. Well sometimes it's probably a good idea to not have great sleep, to place a little bit of that stress on your body. Now, it's important to, you want to understand that the individual variances by how we respond to stresses can vary dramatically. So, if you're an older individual, or if you have certain type of, you know, certain disorders,
Starting point is 00:25:43 where you need a higher protein intake, lower protein for you might not be a good idea for long periods of time, but for someone like Adam, low protein, you know, here and there for a week or so, and then you bump it back up, you'll notice some pretty cool benefit, you know, I do. So, right now you're eating more protein, what are the foods you gravitate towards?
Starting point is 00:26:02 Here's kind of like my go-to. I get a lot of brussel sprouts, a lot of bacon, a lot of eggs, a lot of avocado, a lot of spinach. I do a lot of berries, so strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries in my diet. I utilize a lot of coconut oil and butter. I do that a lot in my coffee or on my vegetables. Do as far as my meats, bison. I do a lot of steak. What I haven't had a lot of lately
Starting point is 00:26:37 that I used to a lot when I competed was chicken. Just because I tend to gravitate more towards fat right now. And- Well, the shredded chicken with the salsa thing that you showed me was pretty good. just because I tend to gravitate more towards fat right now. And the shredded chicken with the salsa thing that you showed me was pretty good. Yeah, I mean, I have a pretty good, and I know just rattled off a few things, but we rotate pretty well. What are your carbohydrate sources?
Starting point is 00:26:58 I don't eat a lot of carbs right now, unless we're off on a trip like we did where we're eating. So like those chips, like the first chips I've had and fucking for every corner of the last time I had something like that. So I get a lot of like we go to Chipotle a lot. That's like a go to fast fast food place for me. So I get beans and rice in there.
Starting point is 00:27:16 So and I sometimes I'll do my Brussels sprouts. I have this dish that I make with Brussels sprouts, bacon, walnuts, and bison, and then I'll do a little bit of rice sometimes with that. So rice is a pretty staple one in there. I don't do any wheat or any bread at all. That's kind of the major. Yeah, it's a major rotation of foods,
Starting point is 00:27:41 and then all my meats, I pretty much cycle through, but those are probably the most go-to meals Yeah right now I'm right now I'm going pretty keto just because I'm trying to does it seems to work well for my gut when I'm trying to reset it So it's pretty high fat. I do eat lots of vegetables though and So if the carbs I do get are usually from the greens like broccoli brussel sprout Repini spinach that kind of stuff like broccoli, brussel sprout, rapini, spinach, that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Meats are there, the fats I use are similar to the ones you use. I don't even have really much fruit at this particular stage, just because, like I said, I'm trying to get things settled. But when I do eat carbohydrates, my go-to's are white rice and sweet, man, I'll tell you what, sweet potato is fantastic for my gut, at least. If I'm going to have carbohydrates, if I have sweet potato, sometimes that's what balances me out, believe it or not. Oh, I really like potato too. How about you, Justin? Yeah, I do a lot of brussel sprouts. We just, we signed back up for this, I forget like a CSA where you get, you know, produce delivered
Starting point is 00:28:48 and we made an effort to do that because it's like, like you said, when you're on the road, you just don't have the vegetables in particular like available on these vegetables are so fucking good. Right. Yeah, they're just, they're amazing and you get a lot of different colors with that. So if you get carrots or whatever, you get the purple and the white ones. And so yeah, I'll do that.
Starting point is 00:29:15 I'll do broccoli and cauliflower from that. And so typically meat wise, like we'll, now since it's kind of warming up, I'll gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to,
Starting point is 00:29:40 I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I'm gonna be able to, I Dude, lamb is amazing. I haven't done lamb yet, yeah. Lamb is really good. It's higher in CLA than other red meats. It's a high fat meat, so if you're, or at least certain cuts are, so if you're, you know, high fat diet, it's a great option. It's got a good nutrient profile.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Lamb meat tends to not be fucked with as much as beef, so it tends to be better sources. Veal and Bison are like my two go to. I love Bison, and then I rotate the other one. I love Bison. One thing I did change up recently that has made a big difference for me because I just realized how much dairy I intake,
Starting point is 00:30:21 just paying attention to it because for me, I can handle it. Dairy's not a big deal, but as we were talking and going through all this stuff, like with the podcast, you start to realize, like, well, I've been doing this like every single day. Like, I definitely hit up some cheese and milk and, you know, and butter obviously, but that's, that's like a staple part of my diet. So I've eliminated most of it in like real sparing amounts. Have you noticed any difference? Big time. Yeah, really awesome. Wait, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:54 It was just because I mean the calories I'm sure for one, but just like giving that time in between to kind of like cycle out of it and I'm going to reintroduce it in a couple of weeks, but yeah, but even then too, like, you know, some stuff with my gut and in heartburn, all that has gone down a little bit, not like a lot, but a little bit. So I'm always kind of like cycling things in and out now to kind of see how I react, but that was one of them.
Starting point is 00:31:23 It's kind of a fun way to eat, right? When you're thinking variety. Well, I also think that there's, we were just talking, Katrina and I talked about this other day about how much we can change our flavor profile by just being consistent and disciplined about eating a certain way for a while. Like the foods that I eat right now
Starting point is 00:31:43 couldn't be further from what I ate 10 years ago. Like my diet was so different. And I don't even crave or desire any of those foods. But I do remember, I really remember that transition of going from the hot pockets and the ice cream and the fast food into eating like that all the time being young, 20 hot pockets and the ice cream and the fast food and the eating like that all the time being young, 20 years old and playing basketball
Starting point is 00:32:08 and moving so much that none of that shit mattered. Like it didn't, I could stay in shape and still consume all those foods to later in life realizing like, whoa, I can't. And then that transition of, oh, I missed those things and then going on and off the wagon all the time to where finally actually disciplining myself for long enough to eat a certain way that my palate completely changed. And now those foods don't even
Starting point is 00:32:32 sound good to me. And it's very interesting because for years, it's fake, don't they? It's got like a weird, like almost like an engineer taste. You couldn't, I mean, you couldn't pay me to go to a Taco Bell or, you know, or have, or have a bowl of cereal. I mean, something like that was like a staple in my diet for a very long time. And not only was it- That sounds painful, too. Well, and it was good. I liked it. Like, I love to get up in the morning. Like, I remember transitioning into being a trainer and transitioning out of cereal for my morning breakfast every day.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Like I ate that every single day for a very long time. And when I first gave it up, it was tough. And then I would go back and have it. And it was like a treat. And like now it's been so long since I've consumed a lot of that food, it would just be grubby. Like no, it's cool off fast. Like if someone out offered something like that,
Starting point is 00:33:23 not only do I not even crave it anymore, it doesn't sound good at all, but it took a long time to do that. It takes a while to change those flavor profiles. And it's really made all the foods that are better for my body. I mean, I've never ate, and Sal, you are really the person that really got me in this direction of making an effort to just eat vegetables like a meal. Like I've never even thought like to just never dawned on me like to make a bowl of vegetables
Starting point is 00:33:52 and like just eat vegetables and just have some butter and olive oil and salt or whatever on it. And once I started training myself to do that, I actually crave that. Like that. Interesting. Yeah. Like Katrina asked me like, what do you feel like for dinner? I'm like, let's just have a big ass bowl of like brussel sprouts with a little bit of bacon
Starting point is 00:34:08 who always just have a chew. So good. Yeah, and that's all we'll eat. And I feel amazing after I eat it, but. Great. Shit. That didn't, if you know, you know, I know there's somebody who's listening right now
Starting point is 00:34:18 that's going like, fuck that. That doesn't sound good. I was that guy, you know, just a few years ago, if you said that, be like, fuck, that doesn't sound good at all. But it takes time to change that flavor profile. And when you do, it's pretty awesome to start to want and crave those types of foods. And then it's a lot easier.
Starting point is 00:34:37 It's much easier to do the what we call, you know, quote unquote, intuitive eating because leading up to that intuitive eating just seems so impossible because most people are still struggling because their adulation is to eat, you know, that foods that are not good. Yes, and they're still battling all these cravings and they haven't stayed away from it for long enough. So bring it. Where's the bird?
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Starting point is 00:35:30 Enter the discount code, MindPump for a 33% off and check it. Woo! Our first question is from Lucas Hunt 10. What are non-negotiable foods that you buy organic versus other foods you give leeway to? If it's got a thick skin. Yeah, that's so avocado.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Banana avocado. Non organic. Yeah, non organic. Yeah, I would go walnuts, you know, things that have hard shells or hard skins that you peel away to eat if I'm going to go non organic. I typically try it, Katrina hates me when I do this, because the bill is like twice as much, because I typically like to just stay organic
Starting point is 00:36:12 with everything, but I do know that that can be really, it can be really expensive. And so I've told her like, listen, if you're shopping and you're trying to save us a couple bucks and you don't go all-granate, these are the must, you know, like, don't get me strawberries and blueberries, It's fucking non-organic. They hammer the shit out of those Yeah, don't don't get me things that are that I'm eating the whole thing and they're spraying the shit out of them because of
Starting point is 00:36:34 Bugs and stuff of that so if it's if it's got a thick skin that's kind of my role Organic or non organic things like beef and all my meats. I tend to like all organic. Yeah, for like my kids. So my kids will still have wheat because they don't seem to have any reactions to them. I've taken it away and given it to them. So like if they have pasta, for example, pasta can be made with, you know, semolina, which comes from wheat. I go organic always on that because wheat gets, and people don't know this, a lot of wheat gets destroyed, or I shouldn't say destroyed, it's hammered with glyphosate as part of their finishing off process or drying process. And glyphosate may be the reason why GMO foods are probably not good for people or certain GMO foods because we know glyphosates
Starting point is 00:37:29 first off the World Health Organization as listed glyphosates, which are herbicides, by the way, as a probable carcinogen. Now, of course, the amounts you're gonna get when you eat food are acutely, totally fine, but of course, if you eat this over years, you may be increasing your risk for certain types of cancer. And they affect the microbiome, for sure.
Starting point is 00:37:53 So my kids, if they, you know, anything wheat-based, always organic, whether it's bread or pasta or whatever, milk definitely go organic because they've, the non-organic varieties are fucked with quite a bit with you know, antibiotics. Like Adam was saying the thick skin stuff. I don't really worry to especially avocados and I don't worry too much about. Now with meats, I almost always go organic, but when I'm buying a cut of steak, like a ribeye or something like that, sometimes they go organic, sometimes I don't, because it's expensive, cuts a meat and you get real expensive organic or grass fed. Fuck, you get grass fed organic. Your bill is through the roof and I'm not going to lie, like grain fed, steak tastes
Starting point is 00:38:41 better. It's tasty. Yeah. Grainfead steak tastes better, because it's got, well you have to say that because a lot of people will have like grass fed steak and it's like yeah, but it's a little more tough. You know back in the day, do you guys know this back in the day, they used to advertise like Grainfead beef because it tastes better. Oh yeah, because you're pumping the cow full of fucking sugar.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Yeah, they're fat. You're pumping them full of healthy. You're pumping them full of molasses and sugar. That's what you're giving them. That's why they get all fatty up, like then, then, then, then, then, makes the steak all fatty, so. Yep, yep, it tastes great.
Starting point is 00:39:16 So, eggs, I always get organic, and I also try to get eggs that are pasture-raised, so organic and pasture raised. Because there's actually a pretty significant difference in the nutrient profile, pasture raised chickens will eat insects and bugs and stuff like that, and you'll notice when you crack the egg about the yolk.
Starting point is 00:39:37 It makes a big difference, and me going to like have in my own chickens and then just letting them roam and finding insects and whatever is, you know, forging around and finding whatever is available in our area. I mean, they eat what was awesome about chickens that I figured out because we used to have like a real bad yellow jacket problem. Like they would come and like make a nest and then I would always see that every summer they'd be a nest and we'd like have to avoid
Starting point is 00:40:05 these fucking asshole insects, you know? And I just realized they haven't been there ever since I got chickens. Oh, the chickens get the wash fucking eatin'. How? They eatin' with their fe- No, the wasp nest is normally up and up. No, no, no, it's in.
Starting point is 00:40:20 It's, they bear, wasp nests are always in the ground. Like in the- I didn't know that. Yeah. And your chickens are just fuckin' them up. They eatin'. Hell yeah, you know chickens. It's in, it's, they bear, lost nests are always in the ground, like in the evening. I didn't know that. Yeah. And your chickens are just fucking them up. They eat them. Hell yeah, you know chickens, yeah!
Starting point is 00:40:30 You know chickens evolve from fucking like T-Rex and shit, right? Dude, they're straight up dinosaurs. Do you know that? No. Chickens are direct, uh, down the cell. Descendant of, uh, like dinosaurs. Look at their feet. What?
Starting point is 00:40:42 Yeah. Look at a T-Rex, literally. You knew that. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's why they're going back and they're trying to like put feathers on like all the dinosaurs just because they're like looking at that as like they're like the sanded feathers. Yeah. Oh no shit. I did not know that. Chickens are a little bad asses. Yeah. I didn't know they're little T-Rex is running around. Yeah. They are. They run like a meowash Jurassic Park where like all the raptors are running together. It looks just like that.
Starting point is 00:41:05 They're not very smart though. They're really dumb. Yeah. Which we shit on everything. So I spray them. Next question please. Next up is from Andrea Cameron. Have you ever had to fire a client if so why and how did you do it?
Starting point is 00:41:21 I fired, I fired one that I can remember one, I fired one client in my entire life. Now I've had clients where I just stopped contacting them, where they're super inconsistent and what I'll do typically is I'll give them, if they know showing me, I'll give them a few opportunities. And then, because I'll call them and say, hey, you missed your appointment, let's set up another time. After about two times of doing that, because we'll call them and say, hey, you missed your appointment. Let's set up another time. After about two times of doing that, I won't call them anymore.
Starting point is 00:41:48 And then when they call me, they are no longer a priority on my schedule. So I'll give them like an opening that, you know, here, this is only open to have. And like, well, that doesn't work on my schedule. Like, well, we're gonna have to wait. So there's that kind of like, kind of firing, but not really, that's just me saying,
Starting point is 00:42:04 look, you're not being consistent, I can't prioritize you. But there is one time where I actually told the lady, I'm no longer in a training, I'm gonna refund you the rest of your training. I had this lady come in and she was just a bitch, just a huge bitch, she came in, older woman, and she told me everything, she was one of these people. This is how she talked.
Starting point is 00:42:30 I just, I want be a little more toned and strengthened, but I don't want to lift a lot of weight. And when I come in, I don't like the music too loud and can we do exercises seated and I'm just like okay here's this is gonna be fun to train this lady and so I which came in I was very much like okay I'm gonna you know get her get her to the point where she can start to enjoy this and this woman would tell me how to train her well Well, I wanna point out too that I already, I know both of you very, very well,
Starting point is 00:43:08 I'm including myself, that we normally take someone like this on like a challenge, right? Totally. Like I used to like, okay, nobody else wants to train this person or they're super difficult. I would embrace that because I felt like it challenged
Starting point is 00:43:23 my skill set. Totally. You know, I just wanna point that out that you're talking to trainers too that would love I used to love to face. I can give you the benefit. No, my goal. I was known as a guy who took all the shit. Clients that nobody wanted. No, my goal was was I'm going to really help this woman out. And she would tell me how to train her and she would stop her reps short. And by no means was I training her
Starting point is 00:43:43 She would tell me how to train her and she would stop her reps short. And by no means was I training her intensely at all, she literally would just put her weights down and that's say anything. We'd pick up a way, I'd be like, okay, we're going to try going for 10 reps. She put the weights down up to three reps and just look and just literally stare off into either the mirror or look off into space and be like, why did you put the weights down? And she'd be like, I don't feel like doing it anymore. I don't want to do that exercise anymore. Can we do something else?
Starting point is 00:44:09 This was constant, constant battling. So finally, it got on my nerves. This is after training for like a month. She had bought like 30 sessions. So it's after a month of training, I finally fired her. We're doing shoulder presses. And I give her five pound dumbbells,
Starting point is 00:44:24 which she could have lifted probably 12 to 15. She wasn't a weak woman or you know She didn't have lots of problems. So I give her fives and she's doing them and she's doing them in a way where Imagine if you gave someone five volume pills and They on top of it are just they just they just want to put the least amount of effort in anything exactly Exactly eyes kind of like And she's lifting and she's like like you would lift your arm if you were Super lazy tired and like I don't want to reach your moctrull and you kind of like that. That's how she was doing it, right? And she's kind of doing
Starting point is 00:45:01 With the five pounds and then she doesn't put the weights down, she throws them on the floor. She throws them and she goes, I'm not doing these anymore. Those are way too heavy. This is bullshit. And I'm like, listen, I said, I've been doing this for very long time. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:16 I will always consider what you have to say in terms of the weight. However, I can tell you, unequivocally, 100% with 100% confidence, that weight is not to like you could do probably 40 reps with that. Well, I don't want to do it anymore. So we debated a little bit back and forth it. So I said fine. I'll get you the one pound weights. She's like good. Finally do it. I you have you know, finally you're gonna do it I tell you I do pay you after all. You're making comments like this. This fucking bitch. So I give her the one pound dumbbells, right?
Starting point is 00:45:47 Do you even have one pound dumbbells? I had these little tiny. What are the Fisher price for? They're like one because we, no, we do them for rehab because I had a physical therapist in there. So we had all these little, you know, because most gyms don't even have a one pound dumbbell.
Starting point is 00:45:59 No, most gyms, you're like, you're lucky if they have threes. No, no, no, you're lucky if you have threes. They were for rehab purposes, because I had a physical therapist that would work with like stroke victims and shit like that, and she would do that kind of stuff. So I give her, and they're like, they're both purple,
Starting point is 00:46:13 and they're both small, they look like paperweights, and I put them in her hands, and I said, okay, we're gonna do 100 reps. Yeah, 5,000 reps. Exactly, I'm like, no, you're gonna fuck it, like you're gonna do 100 reps, I'm gonna, that's what we're gonna do. she does 10 and she throws them on the ground and it's again And I said I told you not to throw the weights like that's not so back and forth back and forth finally
Starting point is 00:46:35 I stopped and I said listen I said Never in my tires had I've been doing this for and so I've been doing this for 20 years now So then it must have been 12 or 13 years. I said look I've been doing this for 20 years now. So then it must have been 12 or 13 years. I said, look, I've been doing this for about for over 10 years. I've worked with lots of people. I've trained lots of trainers. I've managed lots of gyms.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Never in my entire life have I not wanted to train someone as badly as I don't want to train you. So I said, I am not training you anymore. I said, follow me. And she looked at me with this shock like, how dare you? And I said, follow me. And she looked at me with this shock, like, how dare you? And I said, come over here.
Starting point is 00:47:07 And I wrote her a check for her remaining session. And I gave it to her. And I said, good luck. And I walked out the doors. The only time I've ever fired anybody, and it felt great. That's like, I told the story on here. Remember I told the story where the lady threw the weight
Starting point is 00:47:22 at me in a fire. That's all right. Yeah, that was a long time ago That was the only time that I Like walked out on client like she lit mid-session Very similar story to Salas, which is funny. It shows you what it takes and this but this lady I had for seven years So I trained her for seven years Very much so.
Starting point is 00:47:45 In fact, and I used to, I, you know, I didn't share this with a lot of people have now. It was been on the Budgaz. But I'm actually, I remember like, I remember what a bitch that she was. And I remember like it, what it took everything in me. But to me, like I used it as like sharpening my skills.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Like if I could make, if I could win this woman over, if I could get her to like me to show up to these sessions to have a good workout, I could fucking train anybody. Like I just really, and so I took on every session like that. And you know, we had a relationship for seven years, man, where she was coming in five days a week sometimes more and You know towards the end of my career when I kind of knew I was on my way out and I was she was one of the few clients I still was was keeping with me and I just finally couldn't take it anymore
Starting point is 00:48:37 It was a session just like Salah saying like she was notorious for this like I'd you know right up this and for her It was like she always wanted to do like crazy workouts. Like, she loved that cross, before CrossFit existed, she liked that CrossFit type of mentality. And she loved for me just to punish her, you know, she was an executive for a big major company. She had a lot of stress in her day, and then she would come in and she wanted me to punish her.
Starting point is 00:49:02 And she didn't want to meditate, she didn't want to stretch, she didn't want to do easy movements, she wanted me to hammer her all the time. And then not only did she want me to hammer her all the time, she didn't want to do half the shit that I would, and so I would arrange like this workout, and I'd write all these clever exercises and think through like what she wouldn't like and what she would, and then I'd have it already
Starting point is 00:49:21 in my clipboard and then we'd go and we'd get to the exercise, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this, and then I'd take it like this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. And then I'd take it like, I don't want to do this. And she would do that to me all the time. And I finally took her over and we're doing squat thrusters. And she was strong as fuck.
Starting point is 00:49:34 So we were doing like squat thrusters with like 60 or 80 pounds of camera, remember what it was. And she's thrust in a way. And it was finally, it was the first exercise that she wanted to do out of all the exercises and I just kept, I just kept, as soon as she set it down, like right on the 30 second more, pick it back up, let's go. 30 second more, pick it back up, let's go, and I just push and push and, and then you could tell she was just getting fatigued and tired and she's trying to muscle through
Starting point is 00:49:58 it because she's, and she's angering and the last, and she finally just threw the, the barbell at me and it landed right on my ankles and bounced up. Didn't hurt me, it barely hit me, but the fact that she would throw it at me, I was so fed up with training her. I just turned around, it was like, we still had like 15 minutes left in the hour, and I just turned around, didn't say anything,
Starting point is 00:50:17 and I just walked away from her, and it was the last session that I ever trained with her. Did she ever call you or anything? She still had sessions left, she wrote me a letter, and she sent me, up. She should apologize. Yeah, but this was her ammo. This was part of this abusive relationship that we had. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:50:30 No, she would treat me like shit. There would be times where I would finally be kind of fed up with it. And then she'd write me a letter. It was a total unhealthy relationship. And I was feeding into it by allowing her to stay with me. And so I realized that as I got older and wiser, and finally just said, I'm over this.
Starting point is 00:50:48 I'm not gonna feed into this unhealthy relationship. So I bounced on her. And that was the only client that I walked away or did something like that. I did, I have fire clients recently. And that's only because now I have like this spiel, like I don't take, I always keep like a couple people. Like right now I have like this spiel like I don't take I've I always keep like a couple people like right now I have two people that I take care of and it's very so I think we're all very similar
Starting point is 00:51:11 We always keep like one or two people because it helps us keep the pulse on on training clients And and I think it's healthy for us if we're gonna stand on a platform like this and tell people how to train and work out that We stay keeps your information relevant. It does. Right. And keeps us in touch. And so we all kind of keep, but we don't promote that. Nobody is advertising for business
Starting point is 00:51:33 or doing anything with that. So because of that, I kind of like handpicked people that I'm gonna take on. And I always give them this like, spiel like right before. And part of that is, here's the deal, it's a minimum three month commitment with me, because that's just because I know that if I'm really gonna change somebody's relationship
Starting point is 00:51:51 with food and exercise, I need at least that much time. Usually a lot more, that's the minimum. Yeah, and then really, it's the three months I know that in that time I'm gonna have shown and really taught them some things that normally is gonna get them to continue on for a long time with with me so I can really help them and change their life. So I do tell them that it's a three-month minimum commitment and I have all these other things and kind of lay out what it's going to look like. But then I also say during those three months, it's a three-month commitment from you, but I may
Starting point is 00:52:21 fire you and I will fire you if and I kind of go over all these things that I expect from them. And the reason why that is is is because I've got a ton of people that would love to be the value your time. Yeah, that would wanna be training with me. And I'm taking this person on, it's normally a referral from somebody else
Starting point is 00:52:38 or somebody who I think needs a lot of help that I think is gonna be challenging. Or they've gone to tons of trainers, they've tried tons of things, they're getting those, and I genuinely wanna help them. But sometimes, even those people that need the most amount of help,
Starting point is 00:52:51 like that aren't ready for it and they're not ready for someone like me, they're not ready to make that change, they're not ready to make that commitment. And I just don't have the time, I don't what I tell them, like you're hiring me right now as your coach. Like I'm not a one-on-one trainer,
Starting point is 00:53:05 like I used to be where I work for a company and my job is to motivate you and stuff. Like, I'm not here to motivate you. So if you're looking for a motivation, that's, I'm here to help guide you and help you make these connections with food and exercise and yourself. So if you don't have the desire
Starting point is 00:53:23 to put the little bit of work in, then I'm going to ask you, I'm just going to tell you to kick rocks. And so that's happened. That's actually happened twice in the last year where I've had somebody who is it doing the check-ins, is it doing the work that they need to put in for them? It's weird how some people just want a trainer. Yeah, well, they think that that's the next piece, right? Oh, he's going to give me this. Well, it's handled. Yeah, right. I bought you.
Starting point is 00:53:44 You're not going to have to do any of the work where it's like, no, you? Oh, he's going to give me this, well, it's handled. Yeah, right. I bought you. You're not going to have to do any of the work where it's like, no, you have to, so with me, you're, you've got to do all these checking things and you've got to be tracking. I want all that. So as I'm really trying to help you dive deep into, you know, how these foods are affecting your body. And if you just, you can't even do those little simple things of tracking it for me, I can't really help you because then I'm not going to spend all day long trying to motivate you to do that.
Starting point is 00:54:07 So I have fired people for that. Yeah, I fired, I fired one person. And I mean, I've had a lot of difficult clients that I've put up with for years and for the most part, for the most part, I would say probably 80% of like my most absolute like difficult client have turned into like my biggest supporter because they just become this, it's like a cult thing. Like they just, they follow you to the end of the earth, you know, because like you're the only one that put up with their shit. And you know, so I've had, I've definitely took on the same approach,
Starting point is 00:54:46 like, you know, Adam was talking about with, just like, looking at as a challenge and like, I can win them over and I can, I can sort of steer them in the direction that they need to go, subliminally, you know, without them even knowing it. And I've done that with a ton of people, but there was this lady that just, and I have talked about with a ton of people, but there was this lady that just, and I
Starting point is 00:55:06 have talked about it a long time ago, same kind of a thing where she was in the punishment mode. And it was like, it wasn't just the punishment type of workouts. Like it was, it was literally like, what do you call it? Not like a, not bulimia, but it was like a rexia or what do they call it where it's like exercise? It is their way of like- It's like orthorexia. Orthorexia. So it was like so strikingly obvious to me
Starting point is 00:55:38 that she was like, she would come in and she wanted to get to that level where she wanted to puke, she wanted to feel like shit, she wanted to sweat like puddles. She was like punishing herself. Yeah, it was just like, I mean, I felt like gross. And then she would talk shit to me during the workout that it was like, no, you got to do harder than that.
Starting point is 00:56:01 You got to make this one harder somehow. I'm like, okay. harder than that. You got to make this one harder somehow. I'm like, okay. You know what I'm saying? She would get me into a place where I felt like I was compromising my integrity as a trainer and I would have her do this ridiculous shit just because she talks to me. And I would get so pissed that it would feed
Starting point is 00:56:23 into my competitiveness. And so I would have her do it all this. She's like, I get so pissed that it would like feed into my like Competitiveness and so to have her do all this like I'll show you Yeah, yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, you don't think that's hard and then I would have her do some other ridiculous shit I probably even mentioned because I just I just oh so well This is why we speak out on this so much right because we know we know these type a personalities that the ones that need that type of a Workout the least or not. Yeah, the ones that want it the most and we I tell you What I'll be the first to admit that I used to do the same shit and it's so bad Well part of it is they're like it's almost like they're challenging you as a trainer. Yeah, right? Like oh you can't train you hard enough. Oh, yes, she would take it even to she would leave and she'd travel because her her business
Starting point is 00:57:01 And she would hire a trainer while she was at this other location and then come back and talk to you. Come back and talk to shit that they gave me this badass workout. You're working for Pussy's and all this kind of shit. And so I basically was just, I took her over to the desk and I don't know if, I don't think it was you Adam, it was somebody else and I was like, look, you're not a fit for me.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Like what you're asking is unreasonable, unhealthy, and this is not the way to pursue fitness. And I was like, you got to check yourself. I was like, you need to, you need to be paired up with somebody else that's going to put up with this. And I'm done with you. You know, you just fucking like, like sign this, like we got through our last, like, 20, 30 session bullshit. And I was like, we're done. You know, and then after that, she'd look at me in the gym and just kind of look over at me all, like, you know, so, because she had trained with somebody else and was talking shit
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Starting point is 00:58:49 You go to getnaturedblend.com forward slash mine pump for that discount. For the skinny fat girls, if you didn't find your passion and health and fitness, what other path could you see yourself going down and doing as a career? Easy. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:59:05 Yeah, right. Jiggle. Yeah, no, two bus driver. Totally. We did this game, right? That's right. There's two things I could see myself doing. One is a teacher.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I could totally see myself doing that. Really? Yeah, a professor. Really? I'd work with high school or college students. A professor with that high school degree? Uh-huh. Well, that's a thing. Like if we went on to get like a degree,
Starting point is 00:59:28 so I could see for a head. Here's a funny thing. I had such a boring non-memorable experience in school that it was so un-stimulating that I just didn't do it. But now having, you know, really understanding that learning can be, especially in college. Okay, so we're gonna pretend that we could have the credentials to do what we would.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Well, I would totally do it. I would totally do it. Because I was thinking like, let's say like boom tomorrow, fitness like, where would I go run out? Oh, I would do it today. Yeah, well, that's how I was gonna, that's a fair answer. I just didn't think of it that way. Like, could they change my answer
Starting point is 00:59:59 that if I could have a PhD and something that maybe I would head to. Yeah, no, it would be a teacher. Because I love, I love working with kids. I love teaching, I love leading. I love coaching in those particular ways, motivation, all that stuff. And the second thing would be motivational speaker.
Starting point is 01:00:16 I would, and that's as an older adult. I don't think I would have been like, I kind of feel like that's what you do right now, though, in a sense. A little bit on the podcast, but you're talking about, you're not playing this game very fun. I'm talking about like a legit motivational speaker like Like you paid to come watch me like a boy Craig for so much to be maybe like that. Yeah, yeah I don't know he was trying to yeah, you didn't know that. Oh, yeah That's like Craig's ultimate goals to be that. Yeah, above all things I mean he's doing all this other stuff right now
Starting point is 01:00:41 But I love is have you seen his videos with him working out with his daughter? Yeah, they're cute. Oh, man, always warms me up on it. So people with their kids and he's a good dad. You know, um, this, the teacher things got me man. I can't believe you would be a teacher. I love working with you. I volunteered at schools. I volunteered at schools many, many times. And I really love educating people. That's a perfect fit. Yeah, I get that. You do like to teach. Drive often.
Starting point is 01:01:09 I feel like we each have, you know, I think I like to lead more than I like to teach. So I like leadership type roles. A general. I'm very, I'm very money motivated. And when I got into cannabis, that was like a big driver for me because I wasn't like this like marijuana guy
Starting point is 01:01:31 when I went that direction. And so when I was focused just on money and I was doing something, I thought that I would be happy. And I took about a year or two into that for me to realize that that's not what makes me happy. So seeing myself outside of fitness completely like just okay you can't do anything related to health and fitness that would be really
Starting point is 01:01:55 challenging for myself for sure because I left fitness for a while I did a detour on I've done other types of businesses I've nothing to do with fitness from vending machines to mobile car detailing businesses. So I've done shit that has nothing to do with fitness because I wanna make more money. And none of them are fulfilling for me as like fitness is to me. I love doing health and fitness
Starting point is 01:02:19 and helping people in that direction. If I had to do something else for a career, I would probably use my sales skills. I would do something and I don't know what that would look like because I would sell. Yeah, I don't know. Like I, I, I, well, can you be rich? Yeah, or medical supplies or something in that direction. I've got, I, I did it for a while there, I was picking up books on becoming a, you know, a loan officer and selling real estate and going that direction.
Starting point is 01:02:53 I could see myself doing that. I could totally get into that. But I, you know, it's really tough, man, especially since I have left fitness and came back. If I'd only been in fitness, there'd probably be a lot of things that would peak my interest because I am driven by money. But once I saw that and I realized that, wow, it did like I'm not happy. I didn't realize that would happen that way. And being a kid, and I think I had to go through that
Starting point is 01:03:19 to feel that. So I don't know, I'd probably be, if you don't think you'd do porn. That would be like a, you tried Yeah, I don't know what the me thin in hair and getting older and I'm getting gray in my beer. I don't know if I could pull that out maybe 20 webcam torn 27 amateurs. Yeah, yeah, actually, oh, dude, that's like the money is actually. Yeah, no, if I had no morals whatsoever, I would totally be like one of those Instagram girls right now That I think is fascinating a shit where they build the social media falling with like you know
Starting point is 01:03:51 100,000 plus people and then they have their own low private channel and then I lay on my bed And I like play with feathers and stuff all over myself for like $59.99 and you get all access to me and all I get to do is like sit in my room and the feathered boy Yeah, play feathers all over myself and he plays tickles I just think it's so awesome how how girls right now can do that. Well, I'm sure there's guys Why is that fascinating? It's just that's that's human nature. That's what men will pay for Well, what's fascinating about it is in the past in order for you So if you go all the way back in time when that started you would actually have to sleep with these men to make that money.
Starting point is 01:04:26 So you could be a virgin and be a webcam whore and make millions of dollars. Like that's very fascinating to you. I think that's very fascinating. I think you could be a virgin, but then have tons of money from men that are paying to see you naked. I think that's the market's kind of fascinating.
Starting point is 01:04:47 The market might be a little saturated. If you take all the, you have to be kind of like, I'll take all the people that are like judging right now, because right away I know people are rolling their eyes like judging right now. Oh, you know, take all that aside and just think about that. That's kind of fascinating.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Here's the drawback to that, because I thought about that for a second. I'm like, God, that is interesting. It's safe, because they're in their own home. Right. It's a camera. Here's the problem with that. If you ever ever want to have a life that's not that in the future or if you have kids or whatever It's out in the fucking universe now. It's out in the fucking internet. Someone's recorded you and at some point, especially if you have kids Your son is gonna go and he going to look up vintage webcam porn. And if you were good at any sense of the word, you may pop up and you will scar your child forever. Do you think so? Do you think you could do a good enough job of protecting that? I feel like you could.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Wow. By changing not having your name attached to it. Your likeness is what I'm saying. The odds are, I mean, of course the odds are that they won't find it, but it's out there. And here's the thing. If I got that big, okay, if I got that big, where, okay, let's just pretend right now. I do this in my, in my trailer in Kansas. And I, I, I have, you have a thought about this. Yeah, I have a name that is just total made up name, okay?
Starting point is 01:06:05 And I get, I get so big that you could somehow print net like, you know, now that I moved to California because I'm filthy rich and I'm overdoing that. And now I decide I'm gonna work a nine to five job that I got so big that my nine to five job could research and somehow find me and attach that to me. No, I'm not worried about that, but think about it. So for me personally, this is one of the, here's one of the reasons why I would never do it.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Is what if I did webcam porn? It's out there. I made a little bit of money. Now I take that money and now I invest it or whatever to become truly successful. And then let's say I make it. Let's say I get big like, oh, you know, found CEO and founder of so-and-so company Salda Stefano and then some fucking internet reporter or whatever is gonna find you know old video of me and then it pops up Like oh my god. There's an old sex video of Sal freaking jerking off on a webcam or whatever Ruins your life. I see or make you more pop. I was gonna say I feel like it's all about how you respond to it
Starting point is 01:07:01 I think I could don't I think I could own it. it. I think I could own it and be okay with it. Are you covering your back? Of course I can. Let's video answer. Yeah. Let's videos already exist. There's dick pics of me all over the place. I'm worried.
Starting point is 01:07:14 No, that's not why. I just think that you, it's so hard because we judge right away with something like that. But if the girl or the guy in the situation is a complete virgin, your name's not attached to you. You find a way to make a business for, who might judge all the people that want to pay 50 something bucks a month just to watch you whack off or do whatever you're doing? Oh, I don't judge you on thing.
Starting point is 01:07:36 And then it's out there. Yeah. Well, I sweat over some of the shit I've posted on Facebook. Where it would suck. Okay, here's the thing. This is where it would suck. You're at the library and then like some dudes like, hey, you're viny the virgin.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Did you think library for a reason? Is there a reason why you said that? No, no, no, no. Okay, so I just think that here's where it would suck. And the only way I would suck, which I'm not afraid of this, because this is not how I approach anything in life, is if I was okay at it, not very good.
Starting point is 01:08:03 If you were like not- I was like, oh, that's not your sex. The media, a masturbator. Yeah, like where I didn't make very much money doing it. Like if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna be fucking great at it. I'm gonna be probably one of the best that ever did that. So then I'd be proud of it. Talk about a shot to the ego.
Starting point is 01:08:18 If you finally, you finally make the decision, you're like, okay, that's it. I'm doing webcam porn. And you make money. And you don't make any money. You make like 300 dollars, that's it. I'm doing webcam porn. And you make money. And you make like 300 no subscribers. Yeah, nobody wants to pay you. You know what I mean? Like six people.
Starting point is 01:08:31 Oh, your ego would be just screwed. Yeah, well that's just it. If I'm going in, I'm going in. I'm going all the way and I'm going to be great at this. Like I'm going to do my homework, I'm going to see how hard poor stuff you'd have to do on the webcam. Maybe. So it's a valid option.
Starting point is 01:08:44 First of all, you're a man. So your audience is gonna be other men, because women don't really pay for that shit. And I don't know. I feel like we have a couple of people that would pay for that. Not a lot. And they want to see the hardcore stuff. They don't want to just see like, I'm in my, you know, how do you know? How do you know? Go look at porn, like, just have it.
Starting point is 01:09:08 It's different. It's different. It's a whole hardcore. I were going and changed the game. I would go in and maybe tell a story. Maybe have some, maybe have a little bit of comedy in there. You do your motivational speaking. Yes, maybe exactly.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Maybe I just cleaning stuff. Yeah, maybe I give you some like leadership advice. And then I transition into masturbation Maybe there's like you're cooking maybe there's costumes that I wear maybe there's some different stuff that I do Maybe I maybe I integrate you right out of business plan. I might have one But I really what would your webcam name be? I don't know I've thought about that for what would you name me? Well, but I name you I don't have fucking give you a life. I don't know why that for a while. What would you name me? What would I name you? What would I fucking give you? Why, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:09:46 Why feel like you'd be a subscriber. So what would you name me? At a manual. Yeah. Oh my God. I know. I just not. I would subscribe so I could save the video.
Starting point is 01:09:55 That doesn't sound good at all. Bring the next question down. No, you guys fucking skip right now. I didn't ask. He did, bro. I didn't ask. Yeah, you guys are more about this. Sorry, Justin. Shit, bro. I got it. Yeah, me guys, I was so full of this. Sorry, you said shit, dude.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Sorry, Justin, what would you do, Justin? Me, I'd like to express my artistic side more. So I, he's been waiting to answer so bad. I let Adam a straight, because I was like, hey, porn, and then he just went really deep with that idea, which is great. I appreciate that. Yeah, I honestly, I would love to,
Starting point is 01:10:29 I would have loved to learn how to draw, like do more stuff like graphically because I'm so drawn to it anyways. And like being like a video game type artist or something like that where I'm like involved with the creative process. So something along those lines and then like or like film. So I definitely very much more motivated by creativity and like doing creative things. So if anything opposite of this would have to be like more along those lines. So that's it man. Go ahead next next one
Starting point is 01:11:07 I understood the job. Yeah, it is awesome. Foring. Fuck you guys. Next one is from Smash Ballard. What are your thoughts on test boosters? How do they work? Are they effective and are there better alternatives? Good question. This is a good question. So alternatives. Good question. This is a good question. So, uh, from a studies standpoint, what do the studies actually say on test boosters? Who got you Ted Baker socks? What do you mean? When did you get those? Oh, my socks. Those are nice. I thought I found them in your suitcase. Those are nice socks. I've had these for a while. Thank you. So, you might want to take,
Starting point is 01:11:44 why don't you take a picture of that post on an Instagram. I will, I'll let you know what they're like. Show people what's up. So, test boosters, there are some out there that actually do boost testosterone, but there's a big asterisk after that. Whoa, what kind, right? Which is, which is this?
Starting point is 01:12:02 Testosterone boosting herbs in particular, work if you have low testosterone. If you take them and you have normal, healthy levels of testosterone, they don't do much at all. So I'll give you an example of an adaptogenic herb that has consistently demonstrated to have some pretty awesome balancing effects when it comes to hormones.
Starting point is 01:12:24 It's one of them called tongue cat Ali, demonstrated to have some pretty awesome balancing effects when it comes to hormones. It's one of them called tongue cat Ali or what is the urecoma lung folia, I think is the scientific name for it. And what this plant actually does, it's considered an adaptogen, meaning if your body is in a stress state, adaptogens will help your body deal with stress and balance you out. So if your cortisol levels are real high, it'll bring the cortisol down. If your cortisol levels are normal, it won't touch cortisol. If your hormones are off or not optimal, they'll bring them up into optimal ranges.
Starting point is 01:12:56 So if you're a man with, let's say, you're measuring your testosterone at 150, you know, what are they? Desolators or what? Yeah, per nautogram, per desolator, whatever. It'll raise it to more of a healthy normal range. But if you already have healthy normal levels of testosterone, you don't get any benefit. So I know a lot of guys, a lot of people,
Starting point is 01:13:19 or supplement companies, I should say, advertise Toncat at Lee as a test booster, but in reality, only if you test this low, doesn't really do much. Now there is one supplement that will raise testosterone regardless of your current testosterone levels, but it's very short-lived, and it also raises female hormones in man. So you will get rises in estradiol or estrogen. And that's deaspartic acid.
Starting point is 01:13:48 Deaspartic acid in man will raise testosterone for about 10 to 14 days. After that it goes right back down to normal. So are you going to get any muscle boost from that or anything like that? Nope. I mean, it's too short. It doesn't do much. And raise your normal healthy levels of testosterone by 30% which sounds like a lot. And you're not raising it enough really to notice major gains.
Starting point is 01:14:10 I mean, even when people take antibiotics, they're not taking 30% more than their normal levels of testosterone. They're tripling or quadrupling or more of what normal testosterone will be before they notice muscle gaining effects. So this is a woman asking by the way too. Okay. Yeah. So I know I made the smart, I just now looked her up.
Starting point is 01:14:29 So here's what you said. I made a smart ass comment about taking steroids. I wouldn't recommend that. So here's an interesting thing. I just want to, by the way, low testosterone and women is bad too. Women have a little bit of testosterone, not nearly as much as men do, but low testosterone women causes the similar effects that low testosterone men will cause, low motivation, low confidence, low sex drive, low energy. So in women, you know, when you go get hormone profiles done or you think your hormones are off, sometimes test your testosterone levels too, if they're low, you won't feel very good, and adaptogenic herbs in women also have
Starting point is 01:15:06 these kind of balancing effects. Another adaptogenic herb that I really, really like using for myself when I'm stressed out or I'll recommend a client sometimes is Ashwaganda. Ashwaganda is another herb that tends to balance people out. Now here's the thing, here's the cool thing about plants. This is why I like plant so much, so much as supplements. Two reasons.
Starting point is 01:15:27 Number one, what we like to consider active components in these herbs, where scientists will say, well, what is causing most of the effects of this particular plant? And they'll find like in ginseng. Like what's in ginseng that's giving it adaptive genocide some people and they'll find gene gencinocides I think they call them which are these specific chemicals and then of course what supplement companies do is a standardize and extract just those and say here here's what you're going to take. Not a good thing because herbs have this natural balancing effect and there's this entourage
Starting point is 01:16:02 effect of all these different components in the plant that seem to work better together Then when they're isolated they have this this more balancing effect Chinese medicine and erivetic medicine use herbs quite a bit in their treatments But they never recommend herbs all the time same thing with adaptogens like I'm not I never recommend someone take You know an herb all the time I recommend if you take an adaptogen, take it when you're feeling under high levels of stress. Maybe it's, you know, life circumstances. Maybe, you know, you have a young child, so you're not getting much sleep.
Starting point is 01:16:35 Maybe your diet has been really off because you've been traveling, you know, or you just feel really crappy and you know you're off balance. That's those are good things to take at those moments. But I don't think they're good to take like all the time, or at least if you do take them a very, very low dose. So that's how I would use, you know, test boosters, quote unquote, test boosters as supplements. How about you guys?
Starting point is 01:16:56 Well, I think you have no comment. Yeah, I think you, do you guys have experience with test boosters? Well, I do, I do. And I hear I'm not a big fan. Yeah, I'm a reg do. And I hear I'm not a big fan. Yeah. I don't recommend anything. And like you said, if you're going to take things, I would go the natural route.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Actually, the actual test boosters that I messed with when I was a kid had more adverse effects than anything to me. So I remember I got my first, you know, flare up of gyno massia from a over the counter supplement that was, you know, called trend something I can't train X or trend something when that was popular. And later on got pulled off the shelves, but messing with testosterone with that. And I made the joke about just go take steroids and I'm kidding about that. But I do wanna point out that I wish that I have,
Starting point is 01:17:50 I had done more of my homework on the difference between all these over the counter test boosters versus real testosterone synthetic that you could get prescribed and what that was like. And I wish I knew what I know now. And what I know now is that we don't have a lot of studies around a lot of the shit that you get at the store at your local supplement.
Starting point is 01:18:14 It's all the rejected compounds for the most part that are gonna give you all the side effects and all that shit. Yes. If you're gonna mess with your hormone levels, okay, if you're gonna mess with your hormone levels, okay, if you're going to mess with your hormone levels, I'd much rather do it by getting my blood work and then looking, having a doctor take a look at it and then tell me.
Starting point is 01:18:33 And it sounds so crazy because it's like, oh, you have to take an injection from, you know, a synthetic needle. Oh, you have to get needle in your mouth. See, that's what I'm talking about with herbs. You're not going to get a boost if your testosterone is normal. You may get a boost if it's low, and that's one of the things I love about some of these Eastern philosophies of medicine is that it's all about balancing you out, and the plants work that way.
Starting point is 01:18:58 So, when you look cannabis is a great example, by the way. I don't know if cannabis would be considered an adaptogen, but cannabis is one of those things where for the immune system, for example, if you have an overactive immune system where you have autoimmune issues, it will actually help control it and balance it out. But if you have an immune system that's underactive, like you have cancer or HIV,
Starting point is 01:19:22 cannabis has been shown to strengthen the immune system. and that's why I like whole plants so much And it's not true for all plants, but when you use herbal supplements and use them on the white right way It's not like boosting you into this like superhuman level It just helps optimize your body Along similar lines and nowhere near as effective as eating properly and exercising right. Well, I just say eating properly, exercise, sleep, lowering your stress, meditation, all these things I think will do more for your testosterone and boosting your hormones.
Starting point is 01:19:59 I think more than any herb or any supplement on the market. And now if you were somebody who was like me, who was in the search of, I want more, I was much testosterone to get, then that to me is the, is synthetic testosterone, is going that direction. And that's where you have to ask yourself, is that something I really want to do to my body
Starting point is 01:20:20 and you have to be okay with it? But to think that because it's at a store and it's sold over the counter that this stuff could be okay for me, it's not. It's not okay. We don't know very much about it. If I'm going to take the risk to mess with my hormones, I'm going to take testosterone. I'm going to take the real thing and I'm going to monitor my blood and I'm going to check that. To me, if I want that extra bit of testosterone that bad, that's the route that I normally tell someone to go. Instead of being like the kid that I was, which was trying every fucking thing under the sun that said testosterone attached to it, like I wanted to see if it was going
Starting point is 01:20:59 to make me feel more anabolic when I worked out. And in reality, if I would have just ate better, cleaner, rested, meditated, slept better, you know, worked out, didn't over-train, all those things would have kept my hormone levels as optimal as they possibly could be naturally. And then if then I still wanted to get crazy and I wanted to be anabolic, you know, and take these levels to a whole new level, I would go and do the real thing instead of actually going over the counter and trying all these pills that are not regulated. Now one thing, another thing that I want to talk about on this particular topic, which
Starting point is 01:21:34 is kind of interesting, is when you go get your testosterone levels checked, they typically will test total testosterone. Now that's a little bit misleading because total testosterone is not giving you the free testosterone number. And what I mean by that is if your testosterone levels are, you know, on the normal high side, let's say you're measuring it like 700 or 800, which is good. Good, good testosterone reading. But most of it is being bound, then it's unusable. So you can have great testosterone levels, but it can be bound and unusable by the body,
Starting point is 01:22:14 which basically means you have low testosterone. And you'll find this sometimes where a man will go get tested. He's got all the symptoms of low testosterone. Goes to the doctor, they test total testosterone, they're like, no, your testosterone levels will find, he's like, ah, why do I feel like shit? Then he'll, you know, through just being frustrated through, you know, trying to figure this out,
Starting point is 01:22:34 he'll go to somebody who's a little bit better at testing and then they'll test free testosterone, and they'll be like, okay, here's why you have symptoms of low test australum. You have high levels of SHB, I think it's SHBG, if I'm not mistaken, sex, what is it, sex hormone, binding, globulin? Now, what it does is it binds to testosterone and makes it renders it basically useless. Now, in terms of some of the androgenogenic effects of testosterone, now there is an herb that
Starting point is 01:23:07 you can take that will reduce this particular sex binding hormone and will increase free testosterone if you have high levels of SHBG and that's fenigreek. So if you have symptoms of low testosterone, something else you may want to try, that doesn't race testosterone, but we'll free up testosterone is Fennigreek. You could buy Fennigreek T or you could take Fennigreek in its whole natural herbal form in pills and some men will notice like wow I feel like my testosterone levels went up or I feel better, and it's just because it freed up a lot of testosterone. So with that being said, 30 days of coaching,
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