Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 534: Aaron Alexander of Align Podcast

Episode Date: June 22, 2017

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, up, mind, up with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Aaron Alexander from a Lion podcast came to visit us and he is an interesting character. He's an interesting guy, he's very nice guy, a mobility movement like Wizard.

But he's also, you know, he's also, he lives his brand. He's a little different, like he walks around without shoes on, he stretches everywhere, he climbs everything. I took this motherfucker to the suite at Pink to watch Pink Floyd or Roger Waters. And the first thing he did was kick his shoes off and start doing yoga inside the suite.

So I think only because it was a Pink Floyd concert did this fly and was okay. Otherwise, normally. Yeah, thank God it wasn't shark season for the San Jose sharks. And I didn't bring him to a shark game because I'm pretty sure Everybody would have been the way who the fuck is this guy doing his strategy So we totally let him do his thing enjoy it

I own the sweet like he or like he owned the suite and did his yoga all in there We had a great podcast with them. It went all over the place. We talked about some controversial subjects. We went deep into Society and consciousness and the mind and then into fitness, of course. Yeah, he likes to go real deep in the paint. Yeah, this episode is going to be interesting. Actually, I can't wait to listen to it because I remember recording it and I hope it comes out. Okay. Yeah.

Bear with us. So his podcast is a line podcast. His website is a line therapy.com and you can find them on Instagram at along a line podcast. His website is aligntherapy.com and you can find him on Instagram at along a line podcast. Excuse me. So without any further ado, here we are talking to Aaron Alexander. We're told that you have ADHD or whatever. So I was like totally hyperactive throughout school.

Yeah, because your generation is when that really turned up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did they try to put you on like medication or anything? No, no, they didn't really. I don't think I was really like, I was just like, okay, whatever, who's like, move on with life. Okay, I'm hyperactive, that's fine. But I think that we tend to do

that in general. We try to put ourselves into different boxes and you see that with like insurance companies and such. We need to give everyone a title of where they fall as opposed to just having more of like a fluid spectrum. And so, yeah, I take having energy as a gift. I'm like, yeah, let's do it. Were you a good student? Not really. I mean, I got bees. I think that's good. I'm forced to talk about that. I progressively digressed throughout school, and I think it was a product of like, probably discovering psychedelics and like other aspects of oh you

Distraught that early. Oh man. How are you? Probably 15 or shit. Yeah, that's early. Yeah, I was scared of shit like that at 15. That stuff Don't you oh, I forget you guys didn't have this right you're so we did you guys have dare come around to school And stuff is absolutely okay, so you did so I that's, I have, as a kid, you know, psychedelics, LSD, and you know, those things, I mean, I have images of, I still have memories of watching the video that the cop would bring into the classroom of like people jumping off buildings

because they took LSD and like, trying to stop trying to go to the microp. Oh yeah, I was scared of death of anything like that. That's crazy to me. So how did that happen at 15 years old? You got to tell me. I'm, you know, I think it's just your product in your environment. And so the environment that I happened to fall into

was one of people that were kind of curious about pushing boundaries, whatever that was. So we got into like vandalism and we got into all sorts of just anything that could get us to like- Oh, you were a little punk. I was a punk man. Yeah, I you were a little punk I was a punk I was a punk dude in jail did you get arrested?

I well this is a random story I don't know if I know you guys well enough for this but I'm gonna tell you anyway we're going now bro see you know this happens there was actually about four years ago that I was only because you mentioned so it's an interesting way to go. But four years ago I was at this house and it was my brother's friend, I was in this rock climbing trip, I was head in Canada, I was staying at this house for two days. And during that time frame they were growing some weed, medicinal pot, whatever, like totally legit, on that property of several hundred acres.

There was Mexican Mafia cartel growing like something like 7,000 plants. Oh wow. And it was on the fringes of the thing. And so I'm like, I got my climb in rope and I'm in my little hammock, bivvy thing in the front yard like, ready to go on the climbing trip. You know, like, leaving today.

Oh shit. All of a sudden I wake up at like seven in the morning I hear Sharers Department. And I'm like, oh, I'm dreaming. Nobody deal. And I look around and there's just like this full-on line of stormtroopers wrapping around the house, helicopter, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, got the exceptional experience. I think it's, I'm just nothing but grateful for the whole thing.

I get the exceptional experience of being, essentially treated like Mexican cartel for a single week. Hold on a second. So they actually took you in. Oh, they were assholes. They were not cool. Really?

So they handcuffed you, brought you in, questioned the fuck at you. The whole thing. And you said for a week? I could have been longer, could have been up to three months if I couldn't get like phone a friend kind of thing. Eventually I could phone a friend. Hold on a second, were you locked up for a week? Because could have been longer, could have been up to three months if I couldn't get like phone a friend kind of thing. Eventually I could phone a friend. Hold on a second.

Were you locked up for a week? I was locked up. Holy shit. That's crazy. That is insane. How could you know? Now, hold on a second. Now, how crazy is that that they actually can do that and lock you up and you can hold

you in a cell and unless the judge tells them to let you go. Actually, even now, people don't realize this, I think if it wasn't the Patriot Act, it was NDAA now allows them to do that indefinitely. So if they label you, yeah. So if they label you a terrorist or whatever they say to this person, they which is up to their discretion, right?

They can literally lock you up forever and never tell anybody. Well that's, isn't that crazy? That's like the man in the Iron Mask. Yeah, the whole premise, the feeling of, it's essentially if they, the man, whatever, we went to a Pink Floyd concert last night. So it's, you, Darla Wallsdown.

You're welcome, bro. How do you like that show up? You think it's going to dinner? No, I'm fucking wrong. I'm going to take you Pink Floyd right now. Tell me, that's like one of the best, that's top five concerts of all the concerts I've seen. What a fucking show dude.

I was so positive we were going to a karaoke thing. And you guys like, yeah, eat the chocolate thing, whatever. I'm like, I don't know dude, we're just going to karaoke. Total beer pressure. I don't know. Guys, how are we going? No, it was literally Pink Floyd. It was literally Pink Floyd.

Yeah, that was, I didn't realize, I literally didn't realize that we are going to Pink Floyd concert until we were at the Pink Floyd concert. It's great, right? Actually, it was perfect because so we have the box, right, the box seats or whatever. Adam's got a hook up there and we're up there and stuff and you know, Aaron is doing his mobility stuff on the floor

which at another concert would have been really, would have probably freaked people out. Like, they would be like, hey, the fuck man. What are you doing on the floor, which at another concert would have been, would have probably freaked people out. Like, they would be like, hey, the fuck, man. What are you doing on the floor? But as pink Floyd said, nobody stayed shit in the box. Everybody was like, oh yeah, that's the way. That's what I told you. Sometimes it's pink Floyd.

I was super confident people were thinking I was having a bad trip. They're just like, let him go. Do you want some water, man? Do a lot of like, no, I had five. Do you need to hold your hair? Of a weed, I'm fine. You were literally, you were just doing your mobility stuff,

but it totally worked. Yeah, it totally worked there barefoot and everything. Okay, so you're locked up. Locked up. Yeah, okay, how long? How long? Seven days max security in C pod, it was like 40 other inmates,

the guy beside me, he was like, what was that like? It wasn't that bad dude, it feels like, it feels like a really adult like summer camp, you know? It's like, what's all the dudes were cool with you in there? Dudes were super cool, it's like weird, like I had, I didn't, I, what, what are you?

Or you walked in, I, you didn't think that I had someone you locked up with the same group, or you locked them in. Okay, yeah, okay. No, not the same group of people that I was with. Okay, yeah, no, no, no, no, it was, they bailed themselves out those assholes. I, I didn't really know me that well. I was just random like

I So the drug cartel the drug lord comes and sees him By proximity he is mine. He's mine. He's with me. Yeah, he's with me He's this one. We don't know the like I know It wasn't I wasn't with drug lords. I was with upstanding borderline upstanding citizens They just didn't give a shit aboutords. I was with upstanding borderline upstanding citizens. Oh, really? They just didn't give a shit about me. That was the only problem.

So you're in there for a week and it wasn't that bad? Like the people were told. It was totally chill. So the reason that was bad was two reasons. One, the feeling that, oh, I'm not allowed to leave here. That's a real bummer. And so that's, and then the other one was. We take that for granted, don't we?

More freedom. Well, it's two different worlds. It's two different cultures. Look, you know, the culture, not that I'm any expert, because I spent a week in freaking, you know, jail. I'm glad you did some fun. I was glad you prefaced with that, that's smart. His book on jail will be out.

Yeah. The longest prison time. Oh, God. Yeah. Hard times. Yeah. Oh, Devon Diggs. Squeeze them cheeks.

No, I was just in full. I was in in full. I was in full observation mode the whole time. But the fear was if they, you know, the Pink Floyd, the man, they can like get you via the documents or whatever, they don't give a shit about you. You know, it's not about justice. It's not, it's like, this is a financial system.

You're entering into our business, right? And so by entering, being on the wrong end of that business, it's a really, really scary uncomfortable feeling. Right, because they make it, they don't make it fucking easy. That's for sure. And getting out that it's not a rehabilitation center. It's, it's just a business. Right. It gets you into the system. And now you're... Well, it's not designed to work. It's designed to lock people away. Yeah.

So if you, I mean, it's an to lock people away. Yeah. So, it's an old Puritan model. In fact, this was a model that was brought to the US where it was pennants, it was punishment. So, when you went to, and we still have that belief where you go to jail and we punish the hell out of you, and I understand that there's a certain element of that. But, if you're looking objectively,

a big part of Jail should be, because at some point they're going to get out, right? At some point they're going to be out hanging out with us again. And so we have to consider maybe we should spend time making that more successful, potential more successful for them. Otherwise, you get this revolving door, which is exactly what happens. Yeah. I mean. All of us are here because we have options to be here. If at any point, shit got real and it was like, oh, my pump doesn't exist anymore, personal training, education, I came from a different background. You do something else, whatever that, whatever would manifest.

And so it's like, we need to look at the environment. It's not about bad apples, it's about bad barrels. And so looking at who the hell is making these barrels. I thought, and really wanna look at, I mean, a lot of the policies that we have don't make a lot of sense until you consider what they're really designed for. So, like you got thrown into a prison cell for seven days

because you maybe were dealing with marijuana and or if you were, you may be, we're dealing with marijuana. And, or if you were, you'd be in there probably for 30 or 40 years. And you think to yourself, you know, it's a, you know, okay, I know all the pot advocates are like, I never killed anybody and all that stuff. And this is true, it's never done any of that stuff, but you would get less time if you were caught

molesting a child or causing a violent, you know, doing something violent. Like you get less time if you were caught molesting a child or causing a violent, you know, doing something violent. Like you get less time for that than you would getting caught with a bunch of illegal plants. And it just doesn't, it just sounds insane. It sounds absolutely crazy. Until you understand the reason why they lock you up for such a long time and why these policies were put

in place to begin with. And at one point, you know, there was a counter-culture that was considered a major threat to the system, a major threat to the government. And they're designed to do, they assess a threat, and they figure out the best ways to neutralize that threat. And one of the most effective things they did was make the substances that that counterculture used highly illegal so they can now lock people in jail and not infringe on the freedom of speech.

And so you've still got the system in place. It's now it's like this big machine that's almost impossible to reverse. And you were, you got a great experience of it. Yeah. Yeah. First hand. Yeah. First hand. So that's why it's called medicwanna instead of cannabis. That's true

They wanted to make it sound it's the bad scary dirty Mexicans that are shifted in here That's actually so did you was it this experience that made you realize that or did you kind of already go into it knowing that and Feeling this way already knowing that I disagree with the way our our Correctional facility. Yeah, yes I'm after that and during that, knew it viscerally. And so I got the whole thing of like, it's amazing how you feel when you, so I got like literally, I mean, it was tremendous.

I got like the stripes, the orange and white stripes, I think I'm not actually, I don't remember what, maybe it was black and white anyways. Why don't the cartoons is black and white? Yeah, it says black and white. The cartoons. Yeah, they put black and white. And the cartoons. Yeah, they put the rapist people, the people that like, you wanted to keep separate

because they'll get beat up. They put them, I think, in orange, orange get ups. And it was like, so they actually, they actually labeled them. Yeah, no, seriously. No, seriously. If you want to beat someone up. Target.

No, so that, I apparently, like, the rules and whatever. This is what I've gathered from my seven day experience. I believe the rules are essentially like, if you do rape somebody and you're in jail You're probably gonna get beat up and so they're like we just got to keep them out like it's not good Which that's interesting. Yeah, some degree of you know, isn't that funny though? The rules Well, it's interesting to me is morality It's very interesting and in certain situations they create their own kind of rules and morality's

and in prison, like almost anything is okay, except for that kind of stuff. You do that kind of stuff. You do that kind of stuff, really. Yeah, they're gonna kill you. Exactly. Very, very interesting. So.

Have you guys had any run-ins with the law? You know what's funny? The one time, I first of all, was, you know, every time I've gotten pulled over, I've gotten a ticket and I've gotten pulled over as a kid quite a bit. I just think they don't like my face. I don't know really what's going on,

but I've had a ton of tickets and all that stuff, but one time, me and my friend were walking home from this like, you know, it was a cold, like it was like one of those like little market marks or whatever, like jiffy mark or whatever. And we were walking home from there and a freaking police car drives up on the lawn in front of us

and another one comes behind us and they pull guns on us and make us get down on the floor and the handcuffs. And I'm like, I don't know, 15 and I have no idea what's going on. I'm totally freaking out. I'm on a busy road and I'm literally locked up. I'm on a busy road and right,

and I'm literally locked up, hands behind my back. Police officers kind of holding me down on my knees and who drives by the busy street right at that moment? My mom. Drugs, right? Bye. And I see her looking right out the window at me. I'm like, oh, but of course.

Oh, it was horrible. Anyway, we were mistaken for a couple of guys who had broken in and done some real bad stuff and just some home a little earlier and they thought that was us and then it was cleared and all, but that, man, that was my own experience of ever being in trouble with the law. Yeah.

I had a time where I've had a couple of times, but the most memorable for me was when I was 16, 17 years old and a long story short, my grandmother had bought me a car. And she bought me a car because I was grounded from the family car that to get to and from school or work. And I used to work at four o'clock in the morning milking cows before school. And my parents took the car away from me,

and I actually still had to, so I rode my bike like seven miles at four cars in the morning. I told my grandmother this and she was like, that's it, we're buying you a car. Like it'll be your car, right? So of course, it, you know, 16 years old, 16 year old boy gets that opportunity, he's like, fuck yeah, for sure, right?

Thanks grandma. Right, so she takes me, she takes me, gets the car, and my mom and my dad are like, they're not having it. They're like, no way. You can't have the car, and it's brand new. And my grandma like, let me go pick like the car I wanted. Like it was, like the car I wanted in high school. It was like a huge big deal.

And my backstory is like, I was a poor kid growing up, like food stamp poor. And so that was a big deal, right, for me. And my mom and dad were like, no way. Either you either live here and you can't have the car or you don't live here and you can keep your car. And so I was like, okay, that's a simple, that's an easy,

100% right? It's a no brainer at that age. So they didn't know what to do because I seriously was like, I'm out, cool, you know? And they called the cops and my stepdad, stood in front of the door and wouldn't let me out. And this cop, this cop, well actually, five cops roll up for me, which is crazy.

So I have lived in this little coldest sack and five cop cars pull up. And I live in a small town where everybody knows everybody and all of a sudden there's five cop cars in front of my in front of my high schools Like right across the street from there and so they they come in cops all roll up and At this point I'm crying and stuff and he starts to like just fucking lay into me like just write tell me Well, we deal with punks just like you all the time That's right. Oh exactly. He's trying and and I'm like, he's just just nailing me

for like literally like two minutes, like non-stop. And I'm just sitting there crying, right? And I finally look up at him and I go, you don't even know me. And then he goes, stand your ass up, boy. And he turns me around, handcuffs me, puts me in the back of the cop car. I sit in the back of the cop car for an hour in my neighborhood.

All my neighbors are outside, like staring at the cop car. And sit in the back of the cop car for an hour in my neighborhood. All my neighbors are outside like staring at the cop cars about that and I'm like crying and shit, like a mess right now. And then he takes me down to the station and again, in the back seat of the car and he gives me like this fucking one hour lecture while I'm handcuffed. And if you've ever been the back of a fucking cop car, there's I have 12, I've sized 12 foot like it's like literally for you could have

like the tiniest feet and you can't fit there smash back there. It's not comfortable at all to be back there. And I sat back there for an hour and got lectured by him and then of course they, they couldn't do anything to me. I didn't do anything wrong, but they went through that whole process. And for me, it was like, I mean, I remember I can barely have memories of what happened in high school very much, but that's like a vivid memory in my head because of that. Now, did it work?

Oh, God no. God no. No, it didn't work at all. I mean, I was a good kid. So that's why I was so frustrated. So I was like, I was like in church three times a week. I didn't have sex. I was a virgin.

I didn't do any drugs. I didn't do anything. I was an aunt. I was a three, I didn't, I didn't have sex, I was a virgin, I didn't do any drugs, I didn't do anything, like I was an annoes a three o student, like it was a good kid, you know, so. I was, do you think you did more damage than good? Oh, for sure, I definitely had a lot of animosity for, but I, you know, I had more animosity for my parents than I did for cops. So it wasn't like, I had this thing.

It wasn't, I have, and to this day, I have tons of cop friends, and I'm definitely not somebody who's like, I have a to this day, I have tons of cop friends, and I'm definitely not somebody who's like, I have a problem with cops, but that was my most memorable experience with a run-in with the police. And I've had other little things, like stupid stuff, like kids playing capture the flag on a golf course. And, you know, like, we got busted like that,

like that stupid stuff, nothing serious. But that moment when that cop did that whole process for me, handcuffed me, I mean, that thing is just like, so many people saw that, did that whole process for me a handcuff me I mean that thing is just like so many people saw that it was so For me and then the fact that my parents would actually let that happen to me like I was There was a tap Yeah, I was and it did not work for them because I was like I had a calendar on how many days left till I was 18 and my ass was out How many times you've been in jail just and my ass was out, you know. How many times you've been in jail, Justin?

No, I'm sorry. I didn't even know that. Yeah, you didn't even know. Yeah, still real. I'm in hell. Yeah, no, but it's, yes, one of those things, like I don't talk about a lot. Yeah.

But yeah, I was like in my mid-20s, something like that. I was thinking about my friend and, I mean, this is typical like douche baggery, like barbed fight stuff so I was walking outside of this club and this guy's girlfriend was kind of chatting it up with me and whatnot and the boyfriend didn't like that at all and decided to swing and throw a swing at me and so you know one thing led to another we got in a fight this and that and then after My friend got in a fight with his friends and turned into this huge like crazy like scuffle outside and And so you know fights over whatever and we're like oh shit We gotta get out of here and we jump into the first like taxi

We could and the guy kind of saw stuff is like jamming it out of there And he's like trying to get us out of there cuz you know Wow, he wants a good tip. stuff, he's like jamming it out of there. And he's like trying to get us out of there. Cause you know, you want a good tip. Yeah. He was like, oh, he's like, you guys better hook me up. I think I'm out of here. I was like, I love you. You know, let's go.

And we're like, like hoping like we're, we leave the scene. And, um, and so the cop, of course, like, you know, the girls like, oh, they went that way. The yelling at us. Like, shh, you know, and, uh, so the cop pulls over oh, they went that way. The yelling at us. I'm like, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, sh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, are you doing, officer? You know, I was like, really charming it up with her. It's kind of what I do when I'm in trouble. I suck up to your real quick, you know. And so she gets us outside and my friend just fucking gave it away for us. Like, even the the taxi cab, like, he's like, oh, I just picked him up around the

corner. You're telling me to help my guy? Yeah, he was he was coming up with with with our alibi. I was like, God, this case, but your friend cracked. He, no alibi. I was like, oh God, this can't be all fun. But your friend cracked. No, he was like stonewalling it. And then like all they had to do was shine the light on his hands. He had blood, all of his hands. I had blood on my shirt and I was like, oh fuck. And so it's the style. It's the new style.

Yeah, so we got handcuffed and you know, and then we had to stay in this drunk cell until they decide whether or not we got like, they press charges. Thankfully, they didn't press charges, so, and then they stole my uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, shoelaces, and I was pissed. They took your shoelaces. Fuck those guys. Anyways, it's, it's not that hardcore. Oh, I was listened to a podcast recently and they're talking about the implicit bias of police slash anybody towards different ethnicities and

they had like a they did like a test where they took people and They they would set up different categories. So it would be like, you know peanut butter goes well with jelly, you know Or paper goes well with pen, but paper wouldn't go so well with. And there's kind of this like resistance or time that it would take for you to make that connection. They did that with black people versus like bad or versus crime or versus violence or rape or whatever. And they did that with white people. And it was, they could show that there was, there was a degree of, there was like, it took longer to make the connection with white people that something bad happens. And it was quite quick with black.

So you know what's interesting about that? So I read that study and so that can be a conclusion of the results of that study. But there's also the possible potential conclusion that a police officer, especially today, feels lots of, almost like, once you say that, like black people crime, police officers today may feel like, oh shit, politically, you know, I gotta be careful what I say, and that actually slows down the process and can cause what may look like a bias.

It's one of those, this is one of the most difficult things to study. And I don't think, because bias definitely exists among all humans. All of us have biases, impossibly be completely objective. It's absolutely impossible. And you wonder, you know, your human nature is naturally to try and pick up patterns and to make decisions before your conscious mind makes a decision. This is just the nature of your brain.

And so really the only way to check this is to have something objective recording it. And I think body cameras are the only things that will ever take care of any potential bias in that situation. I don't think you could ever train anybody to be perfectly objective. I think it's impossible and that's I think part of the problem. So you put cameras on everybody. They already proven this that people just act differently. They act differently when they know if you put eyes on your computer, it makes you work more efficiently. Like you're being watched. There's an old...

It's more as well, I believe. There's something I saw that there's eyes. There's eyes that take care of it. There's this interesting study where they have, this happens with children too, they'll take children and they'll leave them alone in a room with like some treats or something or they'll tell them, okay,

if you do this puzzle correctly, you get to have those treats, and then they'll leave the room, and then the kid will inevitably cheat to get the treats, right? But we just talked to you who did this to their son. Was it Ben? No, that was different.

That's a joke. The marshmallow and then the two, then the... That's a different one. Yeah, that's a different one. You'll get more later if you've got the people. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? No, that was Joe.

Oh, yeah, Joe. So then what they'll do is they'll tell the kid, in this chair is magic fairy princess, so and so, and she watches everything you do and blah, blah, blah. So then the child believes they're being watched by even a fictional character, and they don't cheat anymore. It's just very interesting. So I think you put, I think when we give people the power at their discretion, the only legal power that exists

in modern societies to literally incite violence, maybe kill you or lock you up in a cage, they're for sure should be some type of recording device there, checking that always, because even if it's a half of a half of a percent, that's still way too much. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's a problem that I think the, I don't think it'll be perfect, but I think we could totally make a huge difference with a simple, put this camera on, turn it on when you're interacting with someone, and that's it. How do you set that up for yourself from a place of like overeating or it's being self-destructive or whatever it may be?

So you talk with us all the time. Yeah, we do. We do. We do. We do. We do. It's all, it's all really is levels awareness and it's really interesting because when we do things that hurt us, whether it's physically or mentally or spiritually, there are many times that

we know we're hurting ourselves. In other words, if questioned afterwards, hey, do you think that that's really good for you to think those thoughts about yourself or when you eat all that food, do you feel that that's good for your body and good for your mind or when you do those drugs and you're abusing those substances, do you think that? And most people will say, well, no, absolutely no. It's their not. And what happens when they use the substance is there's a, there's a subconscious, but also

a slightly willful, uh, unawareness, almost placing yourself out of awareness to do what you're going to do. And you'll find this with binge eating where people will eat fast, almost to like get this in before I realize what I'm doing. And it's this very interesting conundrum and really the only way to fix this become more aware. You can think all the, it's good for me,

it's not good for me and, you know, but it's always gonna be a struggle until you become so fully aware of what you're doing that the decisions you make become much better. And part of that awareness is just connecting the dots because some people, they don't, they don't know, they don't really know that sometimes their body is speaking to them. They've learned, they've gone numb to that. Like, and I remember with the being the same way too, I mean, even being a trainer,

even with the knowledge I had when I first came in the industry, even I was still not feeling my body properly. I was eating everything. I was always the kid. I had the insecurities to be big. I wanted to give a skinny my whole life. So I wanted to build muscle.

So I was driven to eat anything and everything. And I exercised and moved so much that I didn't see myself get fat. So I didn't worry about it. But you don't realize like all the other signs, your other systems of your body, and when you feel it brought properly the difference. And so most people just don't connect that. And so once you help them in that direction,

to first make that connection of like, watch what happens when we eat these types of foods and pay attention to your sleep, your energy, your stool, your hair, your skin, you know, all these things, your clarity, like you start paying attention to different signals and when you help people make that connection, it becomes much easier to be aware of what you're doing to yourself. And a big one, a huge one is mood. People have the hardest time connecting what they've eaten to how they feel.

It mood wise. Very, very difficult connection. And in fact, when you point it out, I don't know about you guys, but when I've worked with clients, like I know, when I bring up the fact that they're, if they're feeling kind of irritable or fatigued or kind of depressed or angry, you know, number one, it's hard to even get

them to acknowledge that. But once they do, then as a trainer, I'll be like, well, you know, for breakfast, you had this, you know, whatever, donut. And that can actually, and it's like, they don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear the food park is number one of a trainer. Oh, everything you think is food. And number two, nobody wants to connect how they feel to what they're eating.

It's almost too abstract for them to even see that. I don't know if you've ever run into that with clients. Yeah, yeah, so that's, you know, I feel quite strongly that I can see a connection between people's level of, you could call it like kinesthetic awareness or kinesthetic intelligence. You know, how deeply connected they are with their physical body, their physical

tissue, their organs, their posture, all these things, those directly spill into the other meta levels of self-awareness. And so that's what yogis and martial artists and monks and everything have been preaching for thousands and thousands of years. Now we're in this cultural kind of like V in the road. We're kind of veering away from our bodies, right, and the product of that, I strongly believe, is we're also veering away from that sensitivity

to what our bodies actually need. And now we're being sold, it's becoming more of a financial thing. We're being sold on the, who advertises the best. We're kind of believing this as opposed to believing ourselves, we're reaching out to doctors or chiro's or pharmaceuticals or whatever it may be as opposed to going in and really, you know, introspecting. It's kind of like a lost art. Do you think memories are stored in the body?

I have a theory. Yeah. I figured. I figured. So my sense is I think that every time you have a certain sensation, you kind of release this cocktail of various hormones, right? Your endocrine system has a translation for happiness or for sad or for fear, you know, and those specific moments when you had that I was raped or I was beat up or I beat up or whatever it may be, I think that you get a certain surge of specific, specific hormonal

kind of like language. And if you don't move yourself correctly, both emotionally and physically, which I think they're the same thing, continue. That's why I'm like a weirdo, always like kind of ringing myself out and wiggling. I'm just trying to get the shit outta here. Right, you know, and so I think that if you don't wiggle

that stuff out, think of like rinsing a rag. Right, if you have gunk in that rag, you need to get it wet and you need to rinse it, right? Most of us we just are sitting in our rags and up kind of becoming like crusty sponges. Now you're you're also licensed massage therapist and a Rulfur and a Rulfur. Rulfur's doing it. I made that one up. And I have worked with some pretty exceptional bodywork specialists, one in particular. And one thing she always said, now she was very, very, very kind of, you know, what people would say, woo, woo, right, which I find most massage therapists tend to be a little more

in that category if you were to put people in a box, which I typically don't. But if you meet her, if the average person met her, that's what they would think. But she always said that memories and feelings are stored in the body. And she would talk about how she would work on someone in a particular area and she could feel anger in there and sure enough the person would get pissed off on the table or emotion and they would cry. Like she said a lot of times the hips store emotion and when she works on people's hips That's when people will become moved by tears and stuff like that So you know, I I figured you would say something like that But here's what's interesting from the science standpoint is that this is actually a little bit of a debate

so it's not as cut and dry as people think because if you a lot of people who are science Oriented will say no memories all stored in the brain the body is dumb. It doesn you, a lot of people who are science oriented will say, no, memories all stored in the brain, the body is dumb. It doesn't have a way of storing memories or feelings. Well, what's interesting is there are examples of certain animals and there's, I believe, there's a certain type of worm where you could eliminate its head and most of its body, and it'll grow back and have the memories of the old worm. So it'll remember which way to go through the maze. I just want to know how they test that.

So what they'll do is they'll get a worm and they'll teach it a particular, like, so worms have to learn certain things. So if it's going around a maze, for example, it takes a while to learn where to go and then every time you put it in the maze It just takes that that direction because it remembers it Then what they'll do is they'll remove the head of this worm. It'll roll back and it'll remember and So there's some evidence there. There's also tons of anecdote from organ transplants where people will get an organ and

very very very strangely will have sometimes memories or feelings that were new to them that applied very much to the person who they took that, you know, who donated that organ to them. And we do know, we don't know very much about the brain at all in terms of how it really works. I personally believe memories are also stored in the body, and I do think that there's of course a brain component to it, but there's also a component that has to do with the actual like body itself, the bone, the muscle, and the tissue.

And I find that very fascinating, which is why I asked you that. So do you find when you work with your with clients and patients that that a lot of them come with to you for like, Hey, my back hurts, but then you end up finding that you're working out some much deeper shit. Almost always. Really? Yeah, it's very, very, there's like, I'd a rolf she had a quotes is where you think it is. It ain't, you know, it's very simple, which was kind of her style of things, but she's like legendary, so she can be simple like that.

And that's something that I see with people super consistently, and you can see very, sometimes people have, having organ issues, and that will manifest as back pain, you know, or you could be, you know, there's, there's dermatomes and myotomes, and all these trigger points, like the body is pretty complicated and also makes just tons of sense at the same time.

Depending on which kind of wormhole you get down with it. But another point that I wanted, I was coming to my head as you were talking about that, the worms, have you guys heard of the mice that they had them smell? Some type of really strong odor, I don't remember, was right before shocking them, or some chemical, and I was like, ooh, right, and suddenly they shock them. And they did that with the mice for several weeks or months. And then what they found was that the offspring

of those mice, when you expose that to that same smell, they had the same kind of cultural memory. So right now, I think that we're not just living the experiences, this is like, woohoo, time out, woohoo. But I don't believe that we're living just the experiences of just what's happened inside this skin bag. I think that we're living the experience of our history, of our culture, of our communities.

Well, it's advantageous to pass that information on why the through genetics. So yeah. Evolutionary is the best. It absolutely is. And I mean, think about, and we've got lots of evidence of this now, right? But that does give a little bit of credence

to the whole collective consciousness, collective memory type of thing. And it is interesting when you witness, they'll see this in monkeys where, you know, this island over here will have a still discovery and this island over here will start using the tool in the same way and they didn't even contact, you know,

have any contact with each other or how religion popped up and art popped up in different parts of the world right around the same time, which is also very interesting. So kind of fascinating stuff. Now, is this the kind of stuff that got you into fitness in the first place, or did you start off very much,

like a lot of us do, which is very, you know, you know, do your squats, do your lunges, lose fat, build muscle? Yeah, way worse than that. So I mentioned you last night that I had like some degree of like daddy issues growing up, like I had, you know, started getting into drugs and he went to jail, too, actually,

probably enough, Apple didn't fall far from the tree apparently. And, you know, so I was like 15, 16 when things kind of started getting a little bit funny. And during that time frame, my story with it is I started packing on heaps of muscle as a means of protection. You know, and so I was really into bodybuilding. I was like, shaving my body and like getting it like ready. I was like, you know, doing the spray tan, like getting all jacked up for bodybuilding competitions. And at the time, I thought that this was just, this is just rad, this is just like what it means to me, man, I think that now, not there's anything wrong with bodybuilding or whatever, I think it's like, whatever your sport is, it's great, enjoy.

You're reasoning for it, wasn't it? You're reasoning for it, that's the thing. And so I believe my reasoning for it was just a means of protection. So if you have some type of like, seed that you're insecure about, you could either resolve that insecurity or you just build the walls up. So you just felt safer.

I think so. Being bigger. Did you abuse your body during this period where you're using lots of supplements, animal steroids, anything? Not really. Wow. Yeah, that was, I mean, like protein farts,

creatine farts for days. Wow. Wow. What's an Arleigh. Wow. Yeah, that was, I mean, like protein farts, creatine farts for days. Wow. Wow. What's the biggest you were? How far is it? Well, you're tall, dude. You're what? How tall are you?

I'm just shy of 65. 65? So you're a big dude. Yeah. Okay, so you were, how big were you? This is 16 years old. My biggest was when I was probably like 17, and I was like 230, which is, I mean,

that's a big, that's a big 17 year old. But it's like, yeah, it's a big boy. And I had a beard and I wore leather jacket, not like a Fonsi leather jacket, but it was just like, it was something that maybe, I bought beer for my friends. Like everyone thought that I was at least 26. It wasn't until I was 26.

We're going to need a picture for the show notes for this. It wasn't until I was 26 that people finally started guessing my age. Like I was 26 for like a decade. And finally I was 26 like were you about 26? I've been the age I am now looks wise forever So were you like it were you a dick to were you like this big like believe that you said getting fice and shit? No, I was. So you were a nice dude.

You just wanted to look like. I was just crying on the inside, man. Wow. You know, I was just trying to be, I still do with this stuff a little bit, not crying on the inside stuff so much, but feeling outside, you know, like I'm always been curious about people that feel like they're inside a group or, you know, whatever it may be. I've always kind of skirted edges of groups. You know, it's not, it's not, I'm, I it may be, I've always kind of skirted edges of groups. You know, it's not, it's not, I'm, I've, yeah, I haven't really felt so strongly like,

this is my team, you know, so I actually really envy this a little bit. You know, I've been kind of more lone wolf with a lot of things. Both are valuable. If you travel, for example, you travel by yourself, you get to meet a lot more people because people are like, oh, hey, what's up, you're by yourself? What's early on? I think it's all it's just been yeah, you know So I studied like I mentioned I went to went to school for psychology and then I went to massage school and You know, it's like this mind-body Both those are both the arts that are designed to learn other people.

Yeah, yeah, I'm really curious about that. And maybe that's the part, like the scurrying, and it's always been kind of like watching. You know what's going on? But yeah, I mean, I think it's just, it's just been a natural evolution where it started off being really curious about psychology and like what's going on in the brain,

kind of like you mentioned. And then starting to look a little bit more broad or spectrum and seeing like, you can't have an emotion without having a physical reaction to it, right? If you like method act and you take on anger, you have to take it on in your feet to really feel anger.

You know, you got to take it on in your pelvic floor and your diaphragm, then okay, now you're acting. As long as you're acting with your brain, it's bullshit, no one's gonna trust it. You know, and, okay, now you're acting. As long as you're acting with your brain, it's bullshit. No one's going to trust it. And so what I've kind of been gathering is, okay, so if those emotions are all tied up in my posturing, then maybe I can start tapping in to the emotions or the psychology through working with my connective tissue and working with the organization of my joints.

So just putting yourself into something. So there's studies now that completely support that. In fact, there's some interesting studies on people who get Botox. They'll get Botox and it'll prevent like frown lines or whatever. So they don't frown as much and they find that their depression actually drops.

So they don't feel as depressed because they don't frown as much. But at the same time, on the other hand, they don't feel the other extreme of the... I was gonna say you can't get as happy, because it's like... But you know what's really fascinating about that? Is they lose their capacity for empathy. That's the one, right?

So that's why it's important to feel sad sometimes. Yeah, so by you stretching and practicing, I'm going through all these different ranges of motion with your face, what you are actually doing is you're furthering your potential adaptation to feel someone else. If you're stuck in one specific pattern, am I just, you know, I'm like cowboy hat guy,

or, you know, I'm like, I have this identity that I stick with, right? Then your ability to feel deeply with someone that's a yoga instructor, or someone that's a Mexican immigrant, or someone that I stick with, right? Then your ability to feel deeply with someone that's a yoga instructor, or someone that's a Mexican immigrant, or someone that's a whatever, is gonna be less because you don't have that range of motion in your face and your body.

Yeah, we're so much more connected than we like to admit. Are you familiar with blind sight? Tell me. So blind sight is when somebody will have a stroke or damage to the part of the brain that gives you sight so they're effectively blind like their eyes are Fine they're they're totally healthy. There's nothing wrong with their eyes But the part of the brain that process the sight is gone. So they're completely blind. They don't see anything at all

But what they'll do is if they place pictures of faces in front of these people, they will make micro adjustments to their own faces to mimic what they see in front of that. What? So if there's a picture of a person. Howard, you see that? That is. It's a very, you should be. These are very, very interesting science. It's totally repeatable. It's something that they talk about. It's called blind sight. You can look it up. But if there's a face in front of mine with a slight smile, my face will slightly smile a little bit.

And they'll say, you know, you're just trying to mirror it. Yeah, do you see anything or whatever? No, no, no. But it goes to show that there's other parts of the brain that are perceiving sight other than the one that we're used to, which is what we consider sight and of course they use human faces because of all the things that we see

The brain is Most evolved and most finally tuned to read and see face yeah facial recognition is huge It's it's huge and it's and here's another thing that's trippy. If you are always around similar looking people, like if I'm Icelandic and I'm only around Icelandic people all the time, I can see other people of other ethnicities and it will be much harder for me to tell one from the other.

And so that's where you get the term like, they all look the same when talking about, different races or whatever. And this is because it's so picking up these intricate things are also learned and there's so much that goes into it that you literally have to study faces, understand them, the brain learns it and then you make these, you know, like oh, I know that that's so-and-so's brother

but I know that that person is, you know, this person not them versus, you know, if you see someone from another race, I can't tell them apart. Very, very interesting stuff when it comes to recognition. Very, very cool stuff. So I've got another freaky one for you. Yeah, there was, there was another stay where they had people

exposed, they were just watching TV and they would kind of like, subliminally show randomly these images, like really graphic images, right? So as you do the pornography, it was like a murder scene or something like that. And it would just kind of be like, blah, blah, blah, watch in the lake, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, dead murder, you know, and then like, blah, blah, blah, they would go back. And what they found with that is obviously every time that image would come up, they'd, you know, it's the only EEG like that's like, well, oh, good, yeah, right? But what they found was actually, you know, milliseconds or nanoseconds before the image was put on the screen, people would have that sensation.

So I don't know what the heck that means. It's predictive. But once again, it's just kind of just like, there's more going on in this thing than we've had. Actually, they can predict the decision you're going to make based on your brain by readings of your brain before you're consciously aware of the decision you're gonna make based on your brain, by readings of your brain, before you're consciously aware of the decision you're gonna make.

The decision you're gonna make. So what is happening first? That brings up the whole crazy debate of whether or not we actually have free will, or if it's complete illusion, and we're just moving through this machine, and we have this perception of free will, but it doesn't.

It's a smoke a lot of weed. Damn. That's what the shamans did I think. You know like what about the discovery of the I'm probably saying it's wrong like the Shakruna plant. So in order for for ayahuasca to actually have like the psychedelic effects it needs to be mixed with this one specific plant. It's an anion inhibitor.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's this one specific and there might be be others out there, but from what we know, there's this one specific plant that will allow for that psychedelic experience for healthier, your body is breaking the eye, I wasca down. And the discovery of that is fascinating. That they even knew that. Where the hell does that come from?

Yeah, you must have read the cosmic sorpen. Is that what you read about? It did read. Yeah, great book by Carlos's name, Jeremy Narby. I think it's his name. I remember. We'll make sure to put that in the show notes, Doug, so that people want to take a look at that.

Yeah, no, he talks about how the Ioska plant, it contains dimethyl-triptamine, but when you ingest it, your body degrades it and destroys it, so you get no effects. The only way for it to work is if you were to take an MAOI inhibitor, which inhibits the enzyme that breaks it down, and now you get the dimethyl trip to mean to the brain. But the odds of someone combining these two plants and the odds of them brewing it in the particular way that's required to produce the substance, remember, this is the Amazon.

It is the most variety of plants that exist on Earth is in this place. And there's a preparation that goes into like, how the hell did they even discover this, and figure this out, and when this anthropologist who wrote that book went and asked them that, like, how did you guys know to, and they're like, oh, the plants tell us.

Yeah. Like, the plants tell us to put each other, and they put these, and there was another plant that, and he used this example in the book, that is used for snake venom. And when you use this plant on the snake venom, it's like an antidote. And again, he asked them, how did you know? And they said, well, the plant tells us and he says, what do you mean? Like explain that. And he says, look at the leaf. And then he

sure enough, you look at the leaf of the plant. it looks like a snake with fangs. Very, very cool book. Very interesting stuff. Oysters looking like a pussy. Yeah. Wow. I've got my attention. Yeah. And it's got zinc and it makes you horny.

I saved you. No, no, no, no. That's exactly what I'm saying. We got into it. It makes the girl like a hazy act and raised testosterone. Just the love, few cumbersome men. And it looks like a person. Still give me staring.

Absolutely. So Aaron, what made you start a podcast? You've been on Air for what? Two years? Over two years. What made you start a podcast? Man, I, because you were already deep in your career of what you're doing, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had, so I had the bodywork, Ralph, whatever you'd call it, business, movement, business. And that was between, I did that in Colorado, I did that Hawaii, did that in Oregon, and kind of like, you know, moved around the world, bringing this business, and a part of that movement around the world was just gathering information,

and kind of like, you know, whenever you're meeting with a practitioner or a personal trainer, or a doctor, whatever it is, what you're doing is you're taking the blanket or the funnel that they've taken from everything they've got or the around the world, their experience and bringing it to a vectored point. And so the way that I started feeling with working with clients was that we were having these really what I perceived to be great conversations, really helpful conversations. And I found myself saying the same shit over and over and over again. And so to me, it was kind of like, it was like a necessary part of the evolution to be able to

project these conversations out. And then I had friends that were doing podcasts or whatever and like, Aaron, you podcast, I'm like, okay, I'll listen. And so you did it too because you wanted to help. That's it. Help others. Yeah. And I think it's be connected if I'm really honest. You know, I think it's a similar thing of like the scurting, scurting the tribes kind of thing. Oh, okay. So now, I'd mentioned yesterday, I've done like over 150 interviews of people.

And the interviews are usually like this. You know, we're really, we're not, it's not bullshit. You know, like we're really sitting with each other. It's not like I'm looking at, you know, and you get to have these experiences with people that some there's There's not a lot of mediums that give you that access to people. We've said So many we've said so many times on the podcast throughout because we've been on air now for two and a half years and Each one of us have independently said and we've said been on air now for two and a half years. And each one of us have independently said, and we've said it on air, that this is therapy.

Very, very interesting. It's so cathartic to get on a microphone, and this is the selfish part of me. Part of the reason why I do this, is it's for me. Of course. I definitely want to help people, but it's also for me. It's very strange, we talk about this.

Oh, we'd be lying to not admit that. I mean, for sure it is. It's been, I mean, we've also shared too, and God, the two and a half, three years, there's been more personal growth from each of us individually than probably the previous 30 before that, because of the people that you're getting to communicate with and just their minds are amazing.

And it's amazing to sit in, sit like this. And this is one of the things too that we just kind of, we naturally went this direction. We were trying to figure out, we had no desire really to podcast, no one had any experience that direction and we're like, okay, well, how do we do this and how do we do it well to where people actually want to tune in and listen?

And I think the whole conversation, and we tried to very beginning like preparing for interviews and having these questions that were all formulaic, and that, you know, we wanted to make sure we get out, and they just, they sucked. I really thought they were really weak. And once we kind of, once we got rid of that,

and just said, you know what, when we meet somebody, we're just gonna meet them, just like we would if we were talking to them in our living room, and getting to know them, and the questions that I would ask, and the order that I would ask them, and that I'd ask them and like it's normal dialogue, it turned everything. And then after that, the connection that you start to really make with all those people, it's on a different level.

And man, the amount of information we've had to absorb over the last couple of years, fuck man. Yeah, my personal education is just bringing all these bright minds in and being able to talk to them. And they get to a level where it's more of a conversation which is easily digestible that way. Like I just, I tend to really respond better to that instead of even just being in a seminar kind of situation.

Like it's so good to get all those like little details and get the rapport back and forth. So you can really pick their brain to a level where you can't do it when you're in a class setting. Do you have you found that you've grown since you started your podcasting that you've grown faster as a result of it? Like grown faster in which way?

Just grown faster. You're talking about my dick right now. He always does. Not again. No grown, just in any way, personally. Absolutely. Oh, man, huge. I was going to ask you guys, what's

just to be clever? What's the second thing that comes to mind of the most impactful thing of having these conversations? The second most impactful thing just comes to mind. Whatever the first thing is, let that go. Go to the next thing. What's the next thing is, let that go, go to the next thing, once the next thing becomes your mind. Um, it's okay.

Uh, I, it hones my conversational skills. Yeah. Because you're doing it, you're sitting down, we're talking, we're supposed to. And you know what I found? That's interesting. That's, that is the second thing that pops on my mind. When I go to part, I was, I've always had no problem

talking to people, but now, like my charisma level is through the roof, like I can go to a party and just talk to people so much better. I don't know except we're practicing all the time. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? I would shoot it out there easier. I would say it's increased my integrity. I think being forced to listen to yourself on a radio

and putting yourself out there all the time, really makes me check my own words and my message and my life and who I am and how I present myself. So yeah, I think that's been for sure. I think it's the way that it's exposed the way that I think. I can understand how I think about things and that's, you think you know, you know, your process, but when you're kind of in this situation, you start to learn even more about the way that you operate. And it kind of, it trips me out because, you know, I'm out of the group on the heart, like,

it's hardest for me to express what's inside my head, I'm just not a big conversationalist, so this was like a big leap for me in a growth period for me. And I've definitely, that would have been the first thing I would have said was like, oh God, I just learned so much about how to express myself, but really it's also about the way I think. I'm understanding myself on a new level. So that's pretty cool. Have you looked into a neuro-linguistic's pretty cool. Have you, go ahead. I've looked into the neuro linguistic programming at all.

Justin, whoa, no, but I will now. That's a good, that's a good, there's a good book in LP. Yeah. That's a big Tony Robbins thing too, right? I was in here. Yeah, so that's the origination of Tony Robbins. Now he's got his own whatever he calls it. But just noticing language, you guys are buddies with Mike

Blitz, though, as well. Yeah, yeah, you guys are buddies with Mike Bluto as well. Yeah, so he's a good buddy of mine. And he turned me on to this, oh darn, I don't remember what's called. So we'll just stick with the NLP, but some other kind of version of NLP. But just the power of our words. And so when we say things like,

I'm not a good conversationalist. To me, that's a very, you're reaffirming that, like, okay, cool. So let's just play small and keep myself in this box, and I'm not a good conversationalist. And it's just something to tinker with, and in general, it's to kind of be aware of how we classify ourselves. And the simple, simple, and you can take the Chalivas and whatever, but the simple little thing of, like, I'm working on my conversational skills. Ooh, to me, I feel that like in my body.

That feels, when I say, I'm not a thing versus I'm working on a thing. So like, it's true, but I've already thought to myself, like I'm getting better every time. Like that, that's how I perceive it. More is like, I wanna recognize problematic or like weaknesses and then I wanna like, like for me, it's accountability

more than anything is to express that. Like, hey, you know, this is challenging for me. But yeah, like you said, words as far as the way that I would describe that, yeah, I could change that. Not put myself back in that box. It's the box. Yeah, it's the box. Yeah, it's the box.

So instead of saying, I suck at painting. Yeah. Yeah, I'm working on my painting. I'm working on it. Yeah, it always puts you, because you can't. Yeah, like yeah, I'm working on my Painting it always puts you cuz Now what if you go on the other end and you're just like yeah, I'm a fucking badass artist like what if I just go Illusional So I think it's My method doesn't work But I think there is something to, you know,

so the secret is partly bullshit, partly there's some good information there. Oh God. I'm not going to say, I'm not saying secret. Can you guys see me roll my eyes? Here we go. Here we go. I don't know if any connection with money in the mail is

the universe and whatever. Maybe so, maybe not. I'm indifferent on it, right? But I think that the value of preparing yourself mentally for the human being that you want to become, what that does, if you reaffirm those statements, you write it down on the wall, you change your language when you're in that situation where the boss man

or the podcast man, whoever man that could, or woman that could potentially give you the keys of the castle, you've been preparing yourself for the last five years, three years, ten years to from an L.P. perspective or from like your own consciousness perspective to be like, I'm the man. I'm showing up for this. Whereas if you're always in that place of like, I'm not the man, but it would be cool, you will never be trusted. No one's ever going to give you the keys.

Well, people need to also understand when you're talking about this, this is a very important part because I'm very familiar with what you're talking about. I'll joke inside, but there's a piece of it that I didn't really understand till much later. And that is that that's the programming part. That's the part that you need to practice it like anything else.

Like in other words, if I'm, you know, if I... It's the first level of coming to real Jedi. That's what that is. It's the first level that's... Absolutely. The next level is you don't get to do none of that bullshit because you're 100% comfortable with who you are, where you're at in your life

and you're 100% honest with yourself. That's why I had to say that the integrity that the show makes you elevate, it's just on another level because of that because you're constantly having to reach, recheck yourself on your own words, you know, like, is that really what I believe? And how does that make me feel when I hear that? How weird is it to hear yourself on a podcast? And then, you know, whatever, you're listening to yourself talk and you're making this passionate point or whatever.

And you hear it and you're like, geez, I sound like a fucking idiot or, or I can't believe that. I can't believe that. Now I know why people think maybe this when I say that, because it does sound like that. How weird is that? Have you ever happened to you where you listen to yourself? I think the first, literally the whole entire first year of episodes of mine, I really don't want anyone to listen to.

I have, I mean, you guys have like seen like the lineup of people that have my show, like everyone's fucking brilliant. You know what, I'm just like the first year there was this feeling of of me I can witness and enlisting to myself this feeling of wanting to assert myself and let the world know that I'm really smart Mm-hmm And so what that ends up doing is creating more of like a dis or like an ingenuine version of myself You know, and I'm like packing facts and packing like points and just talking way too much. That was the biggest thing.

Now it's like, ask the right questions and implement with ideas when it will help the conversation. Period. Did you ever stress out about thinking like, oh man, 2,000 people heard me say that the other day or all these people are here and what it, you know, you ever stress out over that bothered me a lot in the beginning? Yeah, not really honestly. That wasn't such a huge thing. Yeah, I have a big mouth. So sometimes I say things and like, wow. Yeah, me. I can't believe I said that. Yeah, no, it's to me, it's not even so much that, you know, 2,000 or more than 2,000 people were listening.

It's more that anybody was listening, that that image was captured and it's still there, whether it was a million or whether it was whatever, it was just like, oh man, maybe if it was a million people listening, that might have been worse, but yeah, it was just the fact that, and then at the same time, not beating myself up, and really being able to lean into the problems that you have.

And saying like, oh, cool, this is all just options or moments for me to pivot a little bit. And if I never had that feedback, the real issue is people that don't have the feedback. So if you're not making mistakes, then you don't know how to course correct. So if your person is staying within that box like we were talking about before,

then you may never, you might feel okay for a while, I think eventually it'd probably be depressed, but you never bumped into walls to change your direction. You know? When did you make the switch from lifting weights like a bodybuilder and into more of what you know now or understand now about exercise? Because I remember distinctly how that happened for me.

And we've talked about this many times on our show. At some point I imagine there was probably something that happened where you were like, surfing and massage school. We're both kind of, you know, size living in Hawaii and I was going to massage school. And so if you're getting, you know, I think it was like 700 hours or so

of just thinking about touching the body and being touched and not in a creepy way. But you're just spending a lot of time just laying and people digging into your hips and digging. It's like there's a certain type of somatic sensory awareness, something that happens that it's just, it's hard to explain without just being rubbed for 400 hours. And then combining that with martial arts, I got into Jitsu and then surfing and then Muay Thai,

and me being, you know, having more grace on a surfboard, or like doing a guillotine with somebody, became more valuable than Bicep curls. Mm. So you, then you got more into the movement, mobility, and function side of it all, and didn't really care so much about the aesthetic or Or was it still a motivation for me? I broke myself dude I was like I dislocated both my shoulders

I've dislocated both my shoulders more times than I can count. I haven't done it for in hockey That was the first time. Yeah, I played center and I was like I went there was a guy that was smaller than me And so I went and I was just like this is convenient I'll just pick his leg up and kind of hip into him and just I'll kick the puck back to my defenseman, no we deal. And so I did that like a big strong man. And then all of a sudden my shoulders

go go go go go, like completely drops out. And what happened there is my shoulder was, I was so built, because I was insecure about my pecs. I went a bigger pecs, like just like a lot of guys, maybe, in that situation. And so I had built up the glamour muscles so much that I got so short in the front that it and then disengaged in the back

that I was kind of the head of my humerus is kind of sitting on the precipice of that glenohumeral fossa, right? So it's just sitting on the edge there, waiting for fucking an- And just enough force. Anything comes right out. Yeah.

And then once that happens, not only do you loosen up the tenons and ligaments around that, the joint caps all up, but you're also dealing with the tidal wave of the previous patterns that you've been wrapped up in. Right? So you can't just say, okay, cool. We'll go in there and do some rotate or cuff exercise. You'll be good to go. That's bullshit.

Right? You need to look at, where's the origination of this all the way down into your feet? Right? So if you can organize from your feet to your knee to your pelvis up through your axial skeleton in relation to your shoulder girdle and your hands and your head, okay, now we have a closed circuit. But until you have open flappers in your body, you have great pecs or abs or whatever, but you have your foot's pronated and your knees domped and your glutes are disengaged, it

doesn't matter yet, right? You're stepping in the road maybe, but until we're thinking close the circuit, we haven't gotten started yet. Now how do you communicate that to clients who are like, I just want to lose 20 pounds. I mean, that's the reality. Yeah, we can talk about this.

I mean, that's the reality. Because I mean, I used to get stuck in that same exact situation. Explaining, I would explain things like what you're talking about to clients, but I had I found myself having to be very careful with how I sold it to them because you all I had to sell it to them. I had to sell them what I'm going to do with them because it was different than what they thought. Like they're thinking, beat me up, I wanna sweat, run me, I need to lose weight and I'm trying to do correctional movement with them, my own facial release,

you know, tension positions and stuff like that. And so I had to like sell it to them and be very careful with how I worded it because early on I just blew people out of the water. I gotta give them everything and I thought I had to educate the fuck out of them and they just wouldn't, it would just none of it would sink in. So I found myself going really slow. Did you find, have you found yourself going to that?

For sure. And then I said like screw that, you know, now it's more, it's sometimes I've still do that for sure, but I think there's also a certain degree of like, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink kind of thing. It's like, maybe there's aren't your clients. Like maybe you, they're not ready for you. They're not ready for you. Yeah, you're on a different end of the spectrum. It's not a better end, it's not a worse end. It's just a different end, right?

And so if someone comes into your door, this is relation to relationships, this is businesses, just because you're gonna make, you know, like, oh, I really need that $15 an hour, whatever, it's like maybe you, you know, beating yourself up and hating your life about this stupid job that you have, or whatever the analogy is, maybe that's the universe or yourself, your nervous system

telling you, you're doing the wrong thing. I think that if we do close windows, sometimes other windows open up. I've thought that many times. I've thought to myself, well, maybe these aren't the clients I should be working with. Then the thought comes through my mind that, well, if I'm really just looking for growth-minded people, because that's what it is, right? If they're growth-minded, then I can sit down

and explain these things and it's no problem. But the growth-minded people are the ones that need my help the least. What would go through my head? This is a growth-minded individual. They're going to do a lot better off than this person over here who I have to really navigate how I communicate to them because without me using my ability to communicate

and take them through these things, it's never going to happen. And so that was always a tug of war with me. Well, this was my, this was our, I think we could say, all of our assessment of our experience with Paul Check. Paul Check's a good example of this. I think we all agree, he's probably of our experience with Paul check. Paul checks a good example of this. I think we all agree he's probably one of the most brilliant men that we've ever met in our lives. His understanding of the human body is on a whole other level than many, many other PhDs

that we've met in his field. He's just a brilliant, brilliant man. But the way he communicates his message, it's only received by those that are Open-minded enough to receive that message and it let me tell you it's you've got to had you've gonna have you You will have had to have made a major trek before you can get to even that point And so you have to ask yourself and when you look at it either one as a business or two, you know Can I be helping more people? Is, how do I convey this message that I know I want to leave these people?

But if I genuinely ask myself, like at least I know this for me, if I ask myself, would the 22 year old version listen to me now? And he probably wouldn't. Yeah. And really, we also have to define open mindedness because it doesn't necessarily mean better. It's just different.

And here's what I mean by that. People listening were like, well, I hear, we'll use Paul Chek's example. I heard Paul Chek and he sounds, you know, woo-woo. And it's not because I'm not open-minded, it's because the dude makes no sense. Here's where the open-mindedness comes into play. When you hear, I'll give you a great example.

When I first had an acupuncturist rent space for my facility, I had zero belief of acupuncture. I had no like, to me it was like, it doesn't work, it's whatever. I was very much in the Western medicine side of things. However, I respected it enough to know that people liked it and that it worked for a lot of people. It was non-surgical, non-medicinal. And if some people thought it worked for them, then it did. And that was all fine. So I was open minded enough to do that. And when the person came in and then I had this acupuncturist work with me, explained to me, because I just sit down and literally have these discussions with this acupunctrists, these debates where she would talk about, you know, the energy, the

chief flowing through the body and there's blockages and chief and I'm just opening up chief and I'm literally preventing my eyes from rolling while she's talking to me because I'm like, I don't want to hear about your magical genius right now. Yeah, I don't want to hear about your mystical magical spirit stuff like, if you can't explain to me what's happening to the body then whatever. But then I started to open my mind a little bit. What I mean by that was I didn't start believing in Chi. That didn't matter, right? Whether I believed in Chi or not. What I started to do was started to use my

language to understand a potential truth and acupuncture has been around for thousands of years. It's been used for long periods of time and many, many, many, many people say it works and there's studies that demonstrate that for certain things, for sure it's proven to work, which is why insurance will now even cover acupuncture. So I tried to be open-minded enough to explain how it worked through my understanding of the body. So I just changed the language a little bit and so I started thinking, hey, look, referred pain is a real thing. You know, people will feel a heart attack in the arms some time, or they'll feel organ pain in another part of their body. And it definitely

correlates to that organ. In fact, you can go to the doctor. And if you feel pain over here, one of the first things I do is check this organ over there. So maybe it has more to do with the nervous system and you're changing the signaling so that it disrupts the pain signal or so that it changes the information that you're receiving the signaling so that it disrupts the pain signal or so that it changes the information that you're receiving from the nervous system to make you feel happy or not anxious or whatever. This is how analgesic work, the topical analgesics. When you put, you know, menthol or eucalyptus oil on your head because you have a headache, for example,

it doesn't take away the headache because it cures the headache. It is literally disrupting the signal. You're picking up this cold sensation on your head. Your brain gets confused with the signal. And this is, by the way, I'm explaining it through Western medicine explanation. And so your brain stops perceiving the pain.

So you just don't perceive the pain anymore, or you perceive it differently. So when I opened my mind enough to hear what they're saying, look at some of the evidence in terms of people who actually say the same thing and then try to explain it with my language, I found that I learned quite a bit, absolutely quite a bit.

And so those are the people I think that do best, but like Adam is saying, they don't typically need our help. It's the other people that need our help. Like how do we get to them? I wanna attract my previous statement of that I say screw them or whatever, or I don't know what I said,

but what I found actually is there's a really small percentage of people that I haven't been able to get to. The people that aren't interested in doing the things that the remedies or whatever, the exercises that aren't interested in doing the things that, you know, the remedies or whatever, like the exercises or what, like everything that I'm saying to them, if it doesn't make sense to you immediately, it's my bad. I'm not saying correctly to be able to communicate to you. You know, so I would look at those people and there is sometimes where people, oftentimes

if they just have like, you know, book of dollars or whatever, and they're just like, I just fix me. And they don't really care about the session. That might be a moment, or if like the, it's like a kid and the parents are paying to have them there, they're just not invested. That's those, when I said, when I said, screw that noise, that's what I mean.

The people that don't really care to be there, I'm like, well, this is stupid, right? But I think that even like, you know, with the acupuncturist, whatever, how many times has she explained Chi and is opposed to doing research on how we can start creating more creative analogies, how to communicate to you or someone else, she just keeps saying Chi. I think that's the fault of the acupuncturist. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a good point. and which is why I think communication skills for any health practitioner are as important

as your knowledge of your craft. I don't care if you're a Western medicine doctor, a surgeon, a chiropractor, a massage therapist, personal trainer, if you're in a field where you're trying to teach someone practices to help their body or trying to treat someone If you the only way it's gonna really work is if there's buy-in if that person doesn't buy in and do it unless you plan on living with that individual forever and

forcing them to do what you're showing them which might have some benefit but doesn't have the full benefit still then you need to get buy-in. And I 100% will tell you that as a trainer, I was far more effective than trainers who were 10 times better than I was. Like trainers who were just knowledgeable and interested knew what to do when at the right times, but they just didn't get buy-in because they weren't able to communicate very well. And so I'd ask them what I need to do with my clients and then it come over and I'd communicate it

and I'd get buy-in. And I feel like that's a lot of ego, right? I feel like that's ego getting in the way because sometimes these people that I think have these really great messages are so concerned about themselves and their message and the people actually receiving the people that are actually receiving the message and being able to convey that, right?

I think you have to know this the way I know it, or you have to believe in you for even more, like insecurities, like I have an insecurity of being how smart I am, so I care about the words that I'm saying that they're so fucking, makes me sound so smart, so that the people that are listening go like wow, they're so impressed, but then they can't even freaking digest that and figure out what that means.

I think that was something that we all kind of had in common when we were first coming up was understanding that, you know, the people in front of you, they just like yourself. You is been a journey for all of us, right? It's been a long one too. I mean, we've been in the fitness industry for almost 20 years now, you know, so that's a long time to be doing what we're doing. And it's been a growth process for me. So for me to not think that there's gonna be a major growth

process for my clients that didn't have a desire to, you know, learn about kinesiology. They didn't have a desire to learn, they don't, they just wanna lose weight or be healthier or their doctors told them, you're gonna die if you don't fix this, you know. So that's kind of what we get. And I think that was, you know, a lot's kind of what we get and I think that was

You know a lot about mind pump when we first we started that was we agreed that you know This is we were gonna try and not speak to just one you know one niche group like that is ready for this like top-notch Information like that is just like the cutting edge everything. It's like dude There's so many people out there that just there's the basics They're missing because nobody's communicating it well, and there's so much noise, white noise out there with the advertising and marketing

and all the supplement companies and all the bullshit out there. Well, meanwhile, trying to still gather all that awesome knowledge and information at a really high level, but now we're trying to communicate that same message and repurpose it and rebrand it in a way where you know they can digest it better and they can understand with us and I think that you know that that part of our evolution has you know has been critical for us to be able to kind of get to that level where okay you guys understand this concept and then now how can we present this and put it into a program where even now like your average gym person that just is going in but is clueless, you know, because all they all they're getting right now is stuff from like men's fitness and health and all this kind of stuff. So, you know, there's nothing there's no sort of like a bridge between

that and like, you know, these these professionals that have been in these various fields for, you know, all these years and then they're doing great work, but it's like they're not going to get exposed to those people. You know, how do we bring them in? Yeah. There's a Chinese proverb, I think, and then this isn't exactly how it goes, but the idea of it paraphrasing is trust those that ask questions and run from those that have answers. You know, and so people maybe have all the answers.

Yeah. You know, and so I think that upon entering, the reason that anyone would pay, you know, any of you guys or me or whatever, any amount to achieve their goals is probably because we've achieved them in some sense, or we're on the path, you know, our ladder is on the right building, and we're going up and they're like, come on, this is the, how, where you put your ladder, you know, and so I think that people that are raving about how, you know, like this is, this is the only thing and this is right and it's very dogmatic. Oftentimes I think those are the people that are insecure, like you guys are saying, you know, but if you're the person, it's like, you know what, this shit is just working. If you

want in, come on over, if not, it's totally fine. Yeah, there's nothing like watching that true transformation. And I don't mean physical transformation either because I've seen that so many times where people lose weight and look different and look better, whatever. It's actually pretty easy, but I'm talking about the real transformation where they start to think and act differently. And I've had clients that I've trained for years before that happened. I mean, I remember, it was a gentleman I trained for three years, had really, really bad food relationship issues, and wanted to lose weight the entire time. And, you know, I was,

again, very supportive and educational. And, you know, I knew that it was going to take a long process, so I was very, very patient patient and I'll never forget like within like after like three years of training without prompt without like this is the diet is what you're gonna do do you lost 35 pounds then I trained him another six years after that and never he never gained a back and it was just like it just finally all the switches went off and he just did it on his own and it's like I love absolutely love seeing that. And I haven't trained him now for a while and I talked to him all the time and this is like this is what he does now, like he it's not a problem anymore. Yeah, I think of people as being different supplements or medicine, right? So every person that you're

around, if you're feeling a certain way, then maybe I need vitamin Mary. Maybe I need vitamin Sal. Maybe I need, it's not always going to go with your state to be with that person. But you can, Alan Watts, philosopher, dead philosopher guy said that the best therapy is just being around therapeutic people. You don't need to study cerebral, whatever. You just, by being a therapeutic person, and you're being grounded, and you're drinking good water,

and you have a good outlook on the world, or whatever, just being around that person, that's therapy. It doesn't always need to be this panacea cure thing. It's recognizing, who do I want to surround myself with? Who do you like to surround yourself with? You guys. Oh, cool. People like you.

So the people that I surround myself with mainly since moving to Santa Monica specifically are entrepreneurial type folks, people that think that they can change the world and they have the plan for it. People that are, they have to move, I shouldn't say they have to. It would be hard for me to be attracted to a woman with, if she doesn't move well. Right, and so I see that not just in a sense of like, you know, not- Look at her hips don't swivel the right way. Yeah, it's not, no, so it's not, it's not the same way.

Yeah, most seriously, I think that's, we're picking up on these subconscious cues from each other all the time. Oh, dude. I've said a million times on this show that my biggest turn on is watching a female mechanically squat, like, like, perfectly well, is like a huge turn on.

So in order to do that real, real pretty, you know she can move really, really well. Like that to me is like a major turn on. But did you know that they actually this is for reals again you can control yourself. You can look this up but they can actually predict they can actually predict how easily a woman can achieve orgasm by how her hips swivel and move while she walks and I believe the more the movement the more orgasmic she is. There's this at a very strong correlation. Well, that makes mechanical sense, of course. So you hang out with entrepreneurs, people who are also into ladies at move will.

Yeah, pretty much mover related people. So I hang out at this place called the green in Santa Monica, I'm gonna be familiar with. Which is just like all the freaks come. And it's old muscle beat. Do you fit in? I fit right in. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, yeah, it's a, so I spent a lot of time there and people are, you know, picking people up over each other's heads and people are doing flips and turns and then there's these rings that you pull travel across and you're like, and it's slack lines and just like all this is fucking rad. It's rad. It's a really, really, it's just a public thing. It's a public gym. It's Santa Monica Beach right? Santa Monica Beach.

Yeah, you've seen it. I know you. Yeah, you know, go on to Venice Beach. Go to go to no, that's different. That's that's muscle beach. Yeah, that's muscle beach. And the muscle beach is is is okay. The little is a little. I seen it. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, old muscle beach. That's where it's at. That's where Brennan Abedagia lives. Oh, okay. Yeah, his place is right down there. And you always see him doing stuff. Have you seen him do stuff on the bar?

Yeah, that's what it's at. So you just go out there and chill a lot with those people? Yeah, I mean, you see my Instagram, that's like pretty much 90% of the photos are just on old muscle beach. Oh, really? So like this is, this is what's happening. I gotta troll you, I gotta troll you.

Isn't that funny that we stop, people stop playing as they become adults? I guess that's what you're doing basically. It's really no different. Here's what's funny. When you're an adult, people are like, you're so disciplined, you can exercise. You're exercising all the time.

Or they can get a year. Or you're a kid, you're just fucking playing. You know what I'm saying? So now we stop doing that. Yeah, that sucks. That's the highest, in my opinion, one of the highest indications, maybe the highest indication of creativity.

You know, once again, maybe you guys agree, maybe not, but I feel like I can already tell the way someone's going to communicate. I can already tell the way that they're going to think to a certain degree by watching them walk. Right? You know, so if a person kind of has this hunchy dumpy kind of, you know, collapsed type posture and movement pattern, I bet you that's going to tell a lot about their personality. So were you able to predict us pretty well? Because you saw us walk, and now that you're listening to us and we're all hanging out, were you like, definitely, we're all,

I think you guys fit. Yeah, I think so. So I must have like a sexy walk or something. It's very sexy. It's a very stiff walk. But you know that. So look at like a traditional, like new agey, hippie person, and they got patch pants and dreadlocks

or whatever, and they're super fluid, super open, do lots of yoga, right, but they're never show up on time. Right? Right? You know, and so that never show up on time component is instability in their feet and their knees and their shoulder girdle, right? So if you find someone that's okay,

now let's go to an Olympic lifter. And he's whatever, he's Russian, very linear, like very linear with the program and very stacked, organized, everything on time. But Olympic lifting is the only thing that matters. Kettlebells is the only thing that matters. So that's a very non-fluid, has a lot of integrity with where they're at,

but they're not fluid, they're not willing to bridge outside of that. Interesting. And then everything in between. What else? Yeah, go in the middle. Yeah, this is cool. Yeah.

You're like a palm reader. Yeah. You know what, you know what's funny? So you are already in Santa Monica. You can be a fucking re-can-be-rich doing this. Yeah, right. You open up a shop. Yeah, there you go.

And you tell people, I'll tell you. You haven't walked down in the back. I'll tell you, like, you know, 20 yards. I'm a body reader. Yeah. And I'll tell you your future or whatever. And basically you're just telling them about themselves, which is what you do when you're hit on people. Your body's a wonderling.

I feel like you're tense. And they're like, oh my God, how did you know? You have good orgasmic ability. I'm in the process of doing a, because so part of my entrepreneur friends that kind of are like telling me what I'm supposed to do with my business and all that stuff. One of the things that I'm gonna do actually is come up with exactly that.

So being able to read your body type, how that relates to your personality and come up with like three or four different kind of archetypes that we fit into. See, that's like so viral. If you did that and you posted a meme on Facebook, everybody loves that. It's coming soon.

What your feet tell you about your personality. People love that. What kind of finger tips? I'm aggressive and yellow. Yeah, exactly. What's your favorite food? It's true. Color tells you about yourself, you know what I'm saying?

But you're saying you think that there's an actual legit, like, this is a science. It should be studied. Yeah. Some of it definitely. I definitely, I don't know if I necessarily, and this is great because we can disagree, right? And have a good discussion.

I don't necessarily fully agree with what you're saying, but I definitely agree with some of what you're saying, because for sure, you can see pretty outward expressions of things like depression, anger, joy, happiness, contentment through pride, for example, through body positioning. Like, we've all seen that. A lot of my posture.

Yeah, you see that, like that 13, 14 year old kid with the frickin' the emo haircut and it's covering their face and they're wearing dark clothes. Obviously, there's some angst going on there, right? And then there's this universal like, you win a race or you win money or you did something amazing.

I feel like all the in-between is what's gonna be so difficult. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if you could go that far and be like, well, I can tell that you have, you had bad breakfast this morning and your wife is not having enough. But the fact that you can see polarized ends of the spectrum,

that's the case with anything. Yeah, that helps a lot. So you just see, so okay, the fact that we see polarized ends of the spectrum mean that there is a midsection. It's just not as obvious as to see. It's very, very similar. But if you start watching it

and you start paying attention, all of a sudden, it brings you in a little bit of the depth of the spectrum that you can see because you're paying attention. Right, if you put language to it, you put awareness to it, all of a sudden, maybe you might see people that kind of get closer to that middle.

If you're always just completely unaware and that's hoot-ee and nonsense if you're always just completely unaware and that's Who he nonsense? You're probably a pretty insensitive. Now that sounds very cool to track. That sounds like a really cool Like thing you could do at a bar. You know I mean always like you walk like you know I talked to a girl you go up turn your life. Hey, why are you why are you feeling like Just stand up. He's like holy shit. How did you know your dad loves you? Okay, what's what's a good poker player? That's all it is a good poker players reading people's

Why don't you play poker? What the fuck? I used to play poker. Were you good? Of course. I don't I think I was fine I don't know I was I used to be really into it when I was it was it was younger days It wasn't like I was a professional like strip poker. Yeah Yeah, I have a professional thing. Like strip poker. Yeah, that's a lot of strip poker. Yeah. I have a feeling you don't mind losing. Why did your mind go there? Because bodies.

Yeah, you can read the body in. I know what you're carrying in. Yeah. You lose on purpose, don't you? What I'm making. What I'm winning, I get to take my clothes off. I did the interview. It's the opposite.

So what's really interesting to you right now in the sphere of fitness and wellness that we all work in? I think that the power of play and getting to that point of improvisation with your movement is probably the most fast and anything for me. And again, the connection between how that affects your emotions, your personality, all that stuff. But even just getting outside of the box of, I need to do these specific movement patterns because that's what men's health or fitness or whatever told me to do. And getting to the point of like, I'm really feeling today like a run up the hill with a backpack and then a swim in the cold

water and then do some squat stuff and work on my lunch mobility. And then I'm going to go to a dance class and then maybe I'll do martial art stuff tomorrow morning. Or just, you have enough sensitivity in your body to know, as opposed to doing a yoga class, you just start to kind of become yoga in the sense that yoga means yoga or union or integration. So if you can continually be thinking about, how do I stack up my parts? have become yoga in the sense that yoga means yoga or union or integration. Right?

So if you can continually be thinking about, how do I stack up my parts just as I'm sitting here right now, then I think that that creates more momentum than anything else that I've found. So this sounds to me like you're trying to explain or you're explaining what the true definition of what intuitive exercise really is, like that level of awareness where you know what to do. Absolutely. What we talk about on the show all the time. A little bit, yeah definitely.

I mean, do you follow any type of programming or are you more like, I'm gonna go in? It feels like parkour would be kind of a good fit, you know, from a lot of what you're describing. But just the creative movement process. But I could see parkour also being sometimes not right for your body, right? It could also be a thing. So, I mean, do you do that? Do you check in and say, I want to do this because this is what I need right now? Or do you have a structure?

Sometimes I have structure. Depends on what I want. If I want like a front lever on rings, then I'm going to have to freaking practice front lever is going to suck. So there are certain things where, but you can get to have to freaking practice front levers. You're going to suck. There are certain things, but you can get to the point, I think, if you can become fascinated enough with your just the feeling of challenging yourself or the feeling of having a body moving, which is why I think things like Iowaska or psychoactive stuff is kind of cool in the sense

for depending upon the person, because sometimes it changes your perspective on what it means to move Just the fact that we freaking have bodies is unbelievable, right? We could all be quadriplegic right now Yeah, you know, and the fact that you have all this wacky movement in your body It's like like explore that thing you asshole Come on man Take it for a ride Lock yourself in the room. It is crazy when you think about that.

I remember the moment where I realized how much I had lost in a short period of time when I couldn't get down and do a Pizzle Squad. Now, my first five to 10 years as a trainer, I was heavily into mobility and I did all kinds of crazy stuff and we used to goof around and balance a medicine ball on a bow suit ball and do a pistol squat and do just crazy fun challenging stuff like all the trainers did in the gym. And I remember kind of transitioning out of that, getting into heavier lifting and then

kind of going down to bodybuilding road, the road for a while. And then I remember one night, Katrina had mentioned, seeing somebody do some pistol squat thing. And I was like, oh my god, I used to bounce them, but I do this that. And I jumped out of bed real quick to show off. And I was the connection wasn't there. And I was like, whoa.

Just because I hadn't done that, it'd been long enough now that I hadn't done that, that I had lost that connection to that range of motion. And I was like, it was, it was this huge like wake up for me like, whoa, and this is what happens to all these people is we get in this daily grind of sitting in your car, driving to work, sit at your desk, you know, maybe get up and go for a walk for a little bit at best, and then you go back in your car, driving to work, sit at your desk, maybe get up and go for a walk for a little bit at best, and then you go back in your car, drive back home, sit at your house, have dinner, sit down at your couch, watch TV, and you do that for years and years and years,

and it's like, you just totally shut down half your body. You're not even 50 yet, and you've already shut down half of your body, holy fuck. You've turned into the chair. We had this discussion yesterday where, you know, especially in Western societies, most people over the age of 25 can't sit in a squat. Most, like I could go outside and randomly pick 50 people

and I bet you maybe one will be able to sit in a squat. And that is a fundamental, that's crazy. Human movement that we're designed to do. Like, that's how we pooped, and that's how we had children. We sat in a squat. That's how we did stuff. That's how we got stuff on the ground. You know, that's why it's uncomfortable to get on your knees and do shit or bend over while you're low back hurts because the way we used to do it, what we're designed to do is to sit in a squat.

Yeah. And then the issue with that idea is it puts a lot of people, you know, maybe listening or watching or whatever in a place of like, okay, for me to be normal, I need to squat. So I'm going to start squatting in these horrible, horrible ways. You know, and so it's- Adding a bunch of load to it, right? And then right now I'm going to load it up and I'm going to put it up on Instagram and I'm going to be awesome. And that's- It's a lot to it right now right now. I'm a loaded up and I'm gonna put it up on Instagram And I'm gonna be awesome

You know it's not sustainable, you know, so if you can get down to these these these functional foundational patterns Right, if you can get into the those foundational movements from there you can build right but just like any time you're building a house You need to have that frame to support it on right but just going up and doing the handstand or doing the deep squat to support it on, right? But just going up and doing the handstand or doing the deep squat doesn't really mean anything, right? It only means something when you achieve union, integration, yoga, right? And I'm only saying, yoga in the sense of

the little meaning of the word, I'm not saying yoga classes. No, it would be like taking a child, it doesn't know how to walk and then like throwing them on a track, like run, you know? Right. It's not gonna happen. The baby needs to learn how to like drag himself and then crawl and then, you on a track. Run, you know? It's not gonna happen. The baby needs to drag himself and then crawl and then wobble and hold on to things

in the sole process. So yeah, if you're listening right now and you can't sit in a squat, don't go try sitting in a squat and don't try doing all these heavy squat movements. Like first learn how to drag yourself across the floor. Like practice one leg at a time and practice slightly lower

depth than you're comfortable with and practice that. But it takes a long time. Get a coach. Get someone that's going through the path. Get someone that's made the mistakes. Get someone that's blown out their knee and their back and all that. And they're like, this is really all the details.

This is really what you don't want to do. So someone that has that rough road, like Joe Campbell said something like, you need to go into the fire to pull out the treasure. So someone that has that rough road, like Joe Campbell said something like, you know, you want you need to go into the fire to pull out the treasure. You know, again, that's paraphrase, not exactly that, but someone that's experienced some fire and now they're doing all right. Those are the ones that I give the most credit, right? Someone that's a sure.

All we, everything's just always been all righty. They might not know how to explain it. You know, sometimes when I do interviews with like, serious high level athletes, they don't know anything to say. Oh, yeah. They're reporting this hell. Well, I just kind of like, well, I was an awesome little life. Well, you know, it's crazy, though. You know, that with, you know, if you actually do train a lot of athletes, you know, that it's, there's some of the most dysfunctional. They're just so genetically gifted that they've learned to use their body on leverage, you know,

despite it, you know, and still optimize their compensating. Yeah, they're actually, they can compensate better than any, that's why they're so good at what they do. Have you ever seen, like you want to talk about dysfunction? And you, I'll tell you what, pauseuses podcast and Google pro basketball, Paul players feet. Just look at the feet of pro basketball players. They are the most messed up looking feet, dysfunctional looking feet, you ever seen your life. Now, this isn't because they play basketball.

Wasn't the basketball that causes it's because these are giant human beings who were probably giant children who many of which probably couldn't afford to get specially made shoes and they've got these, their feet grew in these tight spaces because all these, these are massive men, right? And so they've got these very dysfunctional feet yet, they run and jump and do all these incredible movements what looks like, amazing, right?

Incredible compensator. Horrible dysfunction. Which one of them end up having hip surgery, knee surgery? You know, I mean, they always are pretty much messed up. Guaranteed to be messed up. It's wild to see that. And when you think about it with sports too, you do this. I mean, God, did he elite?

You had to have practiced hundreds and probably thousands of hours to get good at your craft. And it's a repetitive motion that is not normally equal. You know, it's so you're going gonna end up definitely building some imbalances and you're gonna be really good at those imbalances. So most of them do. They have just a really hard time communicating because they don't fully understand

and they think that they're in really good shape. They don't realize how. You ever train a pitcher? You know, it's been pitching for years. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. Oh, sure. I mean, they did some archaeologists discovered this like Roman burial ground for soldiers.

I think some were in England. Yeah, and these were what they found were long bowmen. These were specialized artillery men, if you will, who used these extremely heavy and tight bows to shoot these long arrows and it was devastating military technology at the time because it shot at such large distances, but it required some like 150 pounds to pull this bow all the way back. So these men were trained as children and the reason why they knew that they were longbowmen was their spines were twisted and formed. They had a very thick, you know, right arm bone. Overly developed, yeah. Overly their scapula was shaped a different way

because their bodies literally turned into this movement and that's how they knew and that's what happened. The same thing came up since the introduction of porn tube. You few pornography in relation to that not as a joke. I'm like, what? I needed the handgest. Well, I was like, I'm not sure we know all this thing. I didn't do the hell with that one. I should have done the handgest. 10,000 years ago, they're gonna be quicker next time. 10,000 years ago, they'll be like, this looks like a 16 year old boy. Oh, my God. He was in his room. How do you know? Look at the size of the digits. The farms are huge. That's incredible density of those bones there. Yeah, he lost all his hair. Excellent. Yeah. Well, hey man, thanks for coming down and talking to us. Yeah, dude,

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