Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 564: Addressing Neurological Injuries, Pulsing Supplements, Occlusion Training & MORE

Episode Date: August 2, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about pulsing supplements, advice on ways to introduce yourself to other professionals, the long-term benefits of occlusion training and using MAPS Prime Pro for someone who has permanent neurological injury. Guys talk meeting Adam’s uncle (4:50) Seeing themselves in their family members Destined to be just like one of your parents Sal talks about his gut issues (19:00) Blessing in disguise Mushrooms Fasting Identify root cause Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on pulsing supplements to encourage the body’s natural functions? (37:30) Cycling is recommended Allow the body to reap benefits Quah question #2 – Can you offer any advice how to introduce yourself to professionals? (48:15) Social awareness Be authentic Ask the person what they do Have them talk about themselves How can I help this person Networking Quah question #3 – Occlusion training. Is it good for long-term training or just a pump? (1:01:20) Muscle fiber growth from occlusion training Physical therapy great for occlusion training Advanced tool Proper form and technique Quah question #4 – Would you recommend MAPS Prime Pro to someone who has permanent neurological dysfunction? (1:12:15) YES! Use to slow down disease or dysfunction you may have Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with our newest program, MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, Whoa! Of Mind Pump. The beginning intro is about 30 minutes, and we get into some fun conversation. We talk about Adam's uncle Casey,

who Adam is a lot. He's like the same guy. A lot like except his uncle Casey's cooler than he is. We talk about family resemblances and who the people we take after like and how we identify with that and how that influences our behavior. And are we stuck to that, or can we change that

through our own? And am I getting to turn into my grandpa? Exactly. So basically, Destiny versus Choice. We talk about the silver lining behind my gut issues. And then I kind of get into how I use certain products to help with my gut issues. I talk about one product in particular

by four sigmatic, their Raishi mushroom. We actually have a code, I believe, that offers people a discount at four sigmatic, four.sigm, atic.com, forward slash mind pump. And you'll get 15% off if you use the code mind pump for your first purchase. And by the way, I refer a smart drug smarts episode in that intro where they talk about the benefits and health effects of mushrooms.

It's kind of interesting. You do not listen to Jesse's podcast. You have to listen to Jesse's podcast. It's fire and he always has fire guests on that. Smart drug smarts is one of my favorite podcasts. Jesse is the host, probably. The episode I referred to is episode number 82. And then we get into the questions.

The first question was, what do we think about pulsing supplements or cycling supplements to encourage the body's natural functions versus just taking them all the time. Then we answer the question about how you should introduce yourself to other professionals. Justin has a very interesting method. Hi, how you doing? That's it. Then we talk about occlusion training. Is it actually good for long-term muscle growth or is it just this kind of fleeting extra pump?

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Dude, go to Casey's, go on Casey's Instagram and fucking laugh your ass off. I see. He's like Adam on steroids, not bodywise, but like everything else. I think literally I'm him on steroids, but it is. Oh, I don't know. Literally. Yeah, I'm literally. I don't know, dude. Literally, I I'm him on steroids, but it is I don't know dude. I feel like he's like He's used solidified he's older. Yeah, I mean he's just yeah, he's already had the wife and kids He really don't give a fuck

He's got a picture of himself. He's a grown man like he's like 40 50 something in the picture He's got two fucking bear asses in him and he posted on Instagram Like you don't go fuck, bro. He's married with kids. Isn't that funny though? I got young Don't you find that fascinating how like somebody like that who really had no influence in my life We didn't really hang out with each other as I didn't get a chance to see him as a kid really very much at all Isn't it crazy how like there's certain things that just in your blood, right? It's just in your DNA.

It would seem that way, wouldn't it? Well, don't you think so? Like, how do you explain something like that? There's definitely a similarity there, although we're unique and different, right? Oh, for sure. The second we met, your uncle sat down with him. And him, I don't remember what it was,

but he checked you really hard on something. And it cracked me up because, not because he checked you, but the way he did it made me laugh so hard because it's exactly what you would say. Or do, and I looked at it and I was like, oh my God, it's your fucking uncle, of course. Like you're gonna say some shit like that. But it's crazy because you would think that I would have gotten

that from him because I was around him growing up. And so he's- But you were never were, right? So that's what I find really fascinating is that, you know, he didn't have that opportunity really to influence me that way. I just turned out that way. And Katrina actually was talking,

we were so we went to Sonali and your DNA. We went to the concert this weekend, right? We saw Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, and we took my uncle and my aunt. Oh, so you did take, oh, it took him. Yeah, it took him. And so, and him and I ended up talking business the whole time where the girls enjoyed it.

And Katrina afterwards was talking about, you know, how much she enjoys watching my relationship with him and then with my uncle John. So my uncle John is my real father's brother. So my real father who died when I was seven, it's his brother who they're a lot of like personality wise. And then my mom's brother is my uncle Casey, who we're talking about right now.

And both of them weren't, I mean, a little bit when I was young, but I didn't get a lot of influence growing up around them. My mom kind of separated our family from a lot of the rest of the family because of how hard that was. The whole suicide was such an awkward thing

for my mom to handle with all the siblings. That's true, you can imagine. So that segregated me from a lot of my cousins, uncles, aunts, and I didn't rekindle those relationships until I was in my 30s, until not that long ago. Maybe early 30s, late 20s, did I really forge that? Now, I reached out a few times, but it's only been in the last maybe five plus years. Have I really, really spent a lot of time with my uncle Casey and my uncle John, who are both blood,

my closest blood, right, as far as uncles are concerned. And she's like, you have a piece of, and my uncle John's complete opposite of my own Casey. So you can see the, you know, the dichotomy between the two, right, is so fascinating for her. She said to watch because they're their polar opposite personalities. And she's like, you can really see them both inside of you. And to me, I find that fascinating because they didn't have an opportunity to really raise. Yeah, I didn't know. I've never met your other uncle, but if I didn't know... You met John.

I think you met John. I came down here with my aunt Julie. They came down. They watched. We didn't really talk much. Yeah, you did. Yeah. If I didn't know any better, I would...

Like, seriously, if I met you and your uncle Casey, I would be like, oh, that's your dad. Yeah. Everything, everything, just the ways, mannerisms, the way he talks, like everything, it's so funny. I love doing that, by the way. I love when you get to know someone and then you meet a family member of theirs and then you see like, oh, shit, that's you.

That's totally you. I love saying that kind of shit. It's, so when I was a kid, and maybe this is because, it's probably because I'm a boy, right? I identified so strongly with being my father, you know, the son of my dad, that I really wanted to be a lot like him and a lot like the people in his family, you know what I'm saying?

And it took me a long time to realize, even though people told me all the time, that I was very much of the scanty. That's my mom's side, the Hermeta name, in the sense that my personality, the things I was interested in, like my mom's side is a bunch of charismatic outgoing sales people.

A lot of them are in sales, a lot of them are in business, a lot of them very charismatic. Like my uncle, Carmelo, when he's in a room, he's the fucking show. My grandfather's kind of like that. My aunt is like that. My uncle is an herbalist who is very much into alternative medicine and wellness and health.

And every time I talk about health stuff, everybody in my family would be like, geez, you're so much like your uncle, but I identified so strongly on my dad's side that I refused to kind of see that because I'm maybe because I'm a guy, right? Because I'm thinking like I'm like my dad. And reality, I'm way more like my mom's.

If we could not be more fucking spot on with that, every time we share a new story like this, that even though we've been together for this many years, it always fascinates me on how you and I have very, very similar lives in a different way. You know, it's like, my, I had the exact same thing. Imagine me, right? So my father who dies at seven years old, you know, I, I missed that. So there's so much that, you know, as a kid, you start to, what would it be like if your dad was around. And so I wanted to be my father,

just because I didn't have that, right? So there was this, but in reality, everyone used to tell me that I was just like my mom and my mother's side, which is Casey, her brother. That's her side. Because it's my mom, I want to be like my dad, like every other kid wants to be like their dad. Same thing.

Well, yeah, similar. Like my dad, I just wanted kid wants to be like their dad, same thing. Yeah, similar. Like, my dad, I just wanted to be as big as him. Like, I was so pissed that I wasn't getting that gross, but, you know, he was like six foot and six grade, and that was like my target goal. It was a big goal, like a height. Yeah, height is a goal. I was like trying to do everything I could to be like taller. Yeah, my brother, what were you doing to be in six, three?

I don't know, dude. Like, like hanging on drinking alcohol. be like taller. Yeah, my brother. What were you doing with the tall? I don't know, dude. Like hanging on drinking or milk. I remember listening to, this is why I liked Michael Jordan, because I remember reading stories or whatever where he had that same problem. Here's a late bloomer, you know, and he was like, like hanging on, like pull up bars and like doing all this kind of stuff, trying to like get taller or whatever. But yeah, like my dad, I definitely idolized

just his size and strength and all that kind of stuff, but like I was like a complete split. Everybody said I was like exactly like my grandpa Lamar and he looked completely identical to me and he played for Ellie. He showed us a picture of him. Yeah. It does look like he was creepy. It was really like, it could be my twin. It was so creepy. Do you think that's because

you have those that don't know you really well, you have like this, you like like that 50s style and those old car. Do you think that's a part of why you are drawn to that era is probably identified with him? Yeah. And everybody everybody me that, like all the family on like, you know, my mom. What is it style? What am I, what am I, I'm missing the word? What's the style called like that? I know what you're talking about the 50s, you know, the rockabilly.

Yeah, rockabilly, yeah, exactly. Like you're into the all that, that look. Yeah. And so I wonder if that has something to do with that. It may, yeah, it may, because he was like, I mean, you know, there's all these pictures of him in the Air Force and like, you know, with old classic cars. Like he was really into old classic cars and I'm, you know, I am too.

My dad is, but yeah, and then on the other side, like my dad's dad, actually, my dad's a personality, completely like mine. And like, so he was like super, like he was always joking and like really silly, but like he was super into like design. And he was actually like an interior designer. But at the same time he was in a biker gang. Super conflict. Yeah, just conflict. I never knew that. Like he carried a gun with him around and he was like in this biker gang and then like, you know, decided to be an interior designer back when it was like that's how our sexuals were still like you know like in that industry so yeah it's just really

weird you know I can totally see myself as a split of like you know my I look in act you know like aggressively like my one-grap on and then I'm like silly and like you know design. Genetics are such a fascinating, interesting thing on that level because genetics for physical appearance are so cut and dry black and white right it's hard to deny like you look just like your uncle or you you've got skin color like your mom or your tall like this guy like that's not that's easy right that's easy to identify right right personality stuff is fascinating to me though because it extremely fascinating to me because it makes you wonder if we're you're kind of destined

to kind of be like you you know as much as we're in control of who we are and what we are in our actions and what we do but there is a part of you that is kind of destined to be like something right it makes me so I had this thought a long time ago about that, say some really ponder, exact question of how destined we are to do things and how much control we have. And it makes me wonder like, let's say you have the exact same genetic predispositions

as, I don't know, your dad, right? Let's say you and your dad are just, and you're never identical, the only identical people are identical twins, but let's say you're super, super similar in that respect. There's still the influence of the fact that your dad grew up in a different time, different circumstances, different experiences than you. So the reality may be that you're different, but you're reacting in a way he would react

in your life. Right. That makes sense. Oh, Toy Man. That's exactly how I think about it. It's like, wow, what if I really am him, but I'm just me, I'm me because I'm carrying over now. I had different scenarios. At two years old, this happened to me, then at four years old, this happened to me when he, these things happened to me. And if that would happen to me, I probably would have went the same way he did, too. So you'd wonder that, right? And there's a lot of like, which is interesting to me.

You know, a long time ago, I had a sales guy that worked for me who came from very, very, very difficult situation growing up. Single parent, mom was not even a great mom. Dad was not present. Drugs and alcohol in the family grew up. I mean, he would tell me stories that were just, I mean, mind blowing, but he was a very driven, successful individual, ended up leaving fitness and pursuing medicine

and became a doctor. Just very driven, very hardworking, very successful, had three siblings. Every single one of them turned out horribly, you know, either addicted to drugs, dead or in jail. And I was always like, God, you know, what's strange about that is what was different about the ham versus the others, and the way I used to think about it, and this is just my own belief about it, I don't know if there's even any science to support this,

but for whatever reason, his genetic makeup flourished and thrived off of that horrible environment whereas the others didn't. And what if, and I always always ask myself this, what if they all grew up in a great environment? What if they had an awesome environment where everything was great, loving parents. Right, the way they were totally different.

With those three, you know three kids who became losers, would they have become normal, successful people, and would he have become like a fuck-up, a spoo-up, spoo-up, spoo-up, bradder. You know what I'm saying? Pressure crushes some things in a turn or something. Exactly, you ever wonder that kind of stuff? Like, if whatever your program is,

if you put it in different circumstances, what would it become? What if I were placed in a different life, you know, in a different type of life, would I have crumbled or what I have succeeded, you know, as a result of it? It's all, it's all really interesting. And then you throw epigenetics into that and then you like, fuck, man. You know what I mean? Like the experiences and behaviors of your, they're connecting

not in humans, but they're doing this. And I believe animal studies, they're connecting like grandparents and great grandparents experiences to like how genetics turn out for. So trippy. I mean, that's fucking crazy, right? I find it as maybe the single most powerful tool for personal growth is the ability to connect to one's family like this, because when I look at both my uncles, like there's traits that I admire about them, and there's traits that I see myself

and that I wish I was better at or changed. So it's like one of the best ways to self reflect is to have somebody who's blood related like that and you and you pay attention to something that they do that maybe you don't you don't like and you go like, oh wow, that I have that trait. Like can I do I have the ability to see that coming before because he obviously doesn't he just kind of says whatever and doesn't think about it where I don't want to be like that. I want to be able to be more socially aware,

self-aware in a situation like that. So it's one of the best tools for that. If you use it that way, right? If you look at your parents or your grandparents or aunts and uncles and those that have a lot of similar traits as you and the things that maybe you don't like best about it is recognizing that, hey, there is a part of that that's in you somewhere,

how you handle those situations or what you do with it is up to you though, so I find that really cool. It's, yeah, I was thinking, the subject is, I was doing a lot of thinking this weekend and it reminds me of this particular subject, but thinking about your genetics and what you're pretty exposed to and, you know, issues you have with your own self, I think you can go one or two directions with it.

Either one, you can feel sorry for yourself, and just be like, fuck it, you know, I suck at this or I'm never going to be good at that or I'm short or whatever, or you can accept the reality and then do and then just understand that it can also be a gift. You know what I'm saying? The reason why I had that particular thought is I've obviously made no, you know, it's not a secret that I've dealt with gut issues. And they've gotten a lot worse as I've got older, but I've always been kind of predisposed to them. If you talk to my mom, she'll tell you when I was a kid. I always had kind of sensitive,

she'd say I had a sensitive stomach, or Adam would say a sensitive tummy. I eat certain things and I was predisposed to having diarrhea, for example, when I was a kid. And I got real frustrated with it sometimes because like this weekend, I'm having gut issues again. And I can kind of identify some of the reasons why, but for the most part, I'm a very health conscious individual. And it can be very frustrating because I'm a health conscious person.

I do all these things for my fucking health, and then I deal with this bullshit. And it can really piss me off. And I know people in this same boat with different things, you know what I mean? Well, you know, it's hard, it's so hard for me to lose weight versus other people, or it's so hard for me. I can't be as strong as this other person, or I can't, you know, my, you know, I tend to have bad skin versus other, and you can feel sorry and angry. For sorry for yourself, I feel angry at the situation. I started getting like that, like caught myself, like, you know, and the thought process

I got into started getting really negative, you know, again, because I, what was going on in my mind is I'm way more health conscious than most people. I do a lot of the right stuff, and and yet here I am dealing with this fucking bullshit that affects both my performance, my mood, you know, affects everything, you know, and I'm sure I'm making it bigger than it really is, but it really irritates me because I feel like I'm so healthy. But then on the flip side, you know, because when I get real negative, what I try to do is I try to, try to flip things because being negative about something,

just adding a layer on top of it. On top of a situation that's... That's already happened. It's that. It's not benefiting. It's already there, right? It's already happened. It's already there. And what I started to realize is I'm actually grateful,

I'm grateful that I have good issues because... It's an opportunity for growth. Besides that, the way I'm looking at it is I have this very obvious outward sign that I need to change things with my health and wellness. A lot of people don't have that luxury. A lot of people don't have an outward clear sign.

A lot of people have these kind of subtle, chronic signs that don't, you know, like mine's obvious. You know this is how I don't feel urgent. You know this is how I used to talk to clients that would come in and they would be really down and depressed on themselves about how much weight they were carrying on themselves. And I actually used to spin that on them and tell them that, you know, thinking about this, this is kind of a blessing in disguise because a lot of people go 20, 30, 40 years of their lives poisoning the inside of their body, not realizing it

because their body is not showing it. Your body is showing you that you're doing something to it that it needs to change. And you can obviously see it. So take this as a blessing in disguise because I get clients that are 20 years older than you that have all these major issues that we can't reverse because they've done damage because they thought they were healthy because they looked at themselves in the mirror and they were skinny.

And the reality is, I know what to do. I have the tools necessary, available to me that I know work with my body. I know the reasons why things are off for me. It's just an obvious signal. I tend to push it and ignore it till it becomes really obvious. And then I'm like, okay, and it reminds me, okay, those things that, you know, I ate out a lot. I was eating out a lot last week. I had guests over.

My girlfriend's mother and niece and nephew were staying with us. It was harder for me to get, you know, quality sleep because I wasn't sleeping in my bed. We were, you know, we were sleeping downstairs and, you know, obviously the stress of, you know, you want to make sure everything's good for everybody eating out more like I said. And so I know what to do. Like I know exactly what to do to start reversing those things. And the reality is that my, when my gut is off now, it's way, way better than it used to be when it would get off. You know what I'm saying?

And I have the steps. There are steps that I take now that I didn't do before. There are things that have identified that I can add to my diet, that I can do with my nutrition to balance me out. And I'm just gonna continue focusing on those things. Well, when we went up and saw Dr. Ruscio, I overheard you guys kind of discussing some of this

and he was talking some of the shrooms and stuff of that. Have you been using those at all? Oh yeah, so mushrooms are, so a while ago, I listened to an episode of one of my favorite podcasts, Smart Drug Smarts, and I don't remember what episode number was a while ago, but there was a whole episode on mushrooms and fungi in general. And I did not realize that mushrooms are not plants.

They're in their own category. Like if you look at like the categories of animals plant that clear up the forest floor. Yeah, they're in their own category. They're not plants. And the reason why this was a big breakthrough for me a while ago when I learned about that, and this was probably about, I wanna say about

eight or nine months ago, maybe a year ago. The reason why this was a breakthrough for me was the expert that was talking on the podcast, was talking about how we understand that it's a good thing for our health to regularly eat vegetables, fruits, some nuts, seeds, and when you're talking about an omnivore diet, well-sourced and quality meat, animal type products, right? But we forget that fungi are also very important part of a regular diet.

We actually don't even, we include that in vegetables to a point where someone can tell you, no, I eat vegetables all the time and may never eat. It doesn't touch, yeah. Never touch them. And some of the benefits of fungi on health, because what that episode did is it spurred me to do a lot of research on fungi. And what I realized was in ancient medicines like Chinese medicine and erivetic medicine, both of which I respect quite a bit because they have such a long pedigree of treatments

and they're very whole body type treatment. Like if you go to a Chinese medicine or an erivetic medicine expert, and you go in with some type of a chronic symptom, it's never take this supplement, take this herb, take this mushroom. It's always, okay, let's look at your sleep, let's look at your outlook,

let's look at your activity, let's look at your diet, and on top of it, take this herb or whatever. Well, mushrooms make up a huge part of the types of things that they recommend. In fact, if you go to a Chinese medicine doctor or a erivetic medicine doctor and they are gonna recommend that you take something,

the odds are it's some type of a mushroom. And there's that much of a benefit. So I did some more research and in that period of time, this has been now over the course of a year, I've implemented mushrooms into my protocol for certain things. And I haven't talked a whole lot about it because I don't like to talk too much. I have brought it up a few times, but I don't like to talk too much about, you know, taking things until I feel real confident in them because I know we tend to have a pretty good influence

and there's been a couple times where we've mentioned something and I'll get all these messages and people are doing it and I'm like, I have to correct them. Like no, no, no, no, no, I've been experimenting. I'm not recommending it yet. Well, mushrooms are something that I highly recommend people looking to because they're a benefit on the body.

And one of the things that I've done, that's helped me a lot with my gut health, both directly and indirectly, is I've been using Raishi mushrooms. And Raishi mushrooms have this great balancing effect on my body, really calming effect. Like, I'll take them at night and I've noticed, and it's not something I do, it's not like a...

You eat them raw, is it like a tea? So they're hard to find raw, they're pretty gross actually to be honest with you. If you're going to use them medicinal, which the way I use them is I use them medicinal. So I'll use them when I feel like I'm in a lot of stress or I need better quality sleep or I'm having more gut issues is I was using them medisantly. So I start supplementing with them.

And I learned that there's certain compounds in mushrooms that you get from grinding up the mushroom and having like a dry extract from it. And there's stuff that you can get from them by through heat, through like water. And they're both different. So a while ago, I found a company that actually does does that. They do both in their extract. It was at Paleo Effects, right? That's when you first introduced them to me. Yeah, for Sigmatic does that.

They're very, very focused on quality. So they do a dual extract process. You get all of it. So that's the one that I use. It's very convenient. So I don't have to buy the actual mushrooms and then kind of grind it and do all that stuff myself. And I use it at night, especially when I feel like I'm in higher levels of stress,

I noticed a direct benefit on like just making me feel more balanced. And then indirectly, I started noticing more gut benefit. And so I did bring this up to Dr. Ruscio and he did say yes, that's actually something that... Yeah, I remember just that last trip we just did. I heard you guys talking about that. And since we're bringing this up, while I was talking, I did Google their name. And here's the studies, so people who are really science-based. These are the things that have been shown actual benefit.

And a lot of these studies are done in Japan, China, some in the UK and some of the US. They have been used to help people with chronic fatigue syndrome, which that's when I start to use it because I think it has to do with stress. Liver disease, food allergies and asthma, digestive problems, tumor growth and cancer.

Here's what's interesting about mushrooms in general. When my close family member was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago, part of the things that I would have her work with were mushrooms because there's some pretty interesting effects that mushrooms have on tumor growth. But anyway, just it's part of a protocol. It's not something about, it's not like I'm like, oh, I'm having these issues, I'm just going to take this. I also do fasting. It's really something about, it's not like I'm like, oh, I'm having these issues, I'm just gonna take this. I also do fasting, it's really, really good for my gut. Well, it's part of your, explain what I see,

it's part of your protocol, and people need to understand this that it's, when you get the signs, when your body tells you it's already too late, like it's already happened to you, right? Like you've already dealing with it, I think that's the same thing like with pain, like we talked about this other day, when your body gives you these signs of pain because you have some sort of dysfunction or imbalance.

Like, that's the last signal. Like, shit was wrong six months before that. And so learning that to be proactive like this, I mean, I noticed it right now with me with ever since you and I talked about the vitamin D deficiency being connected to people with psoriasis. And when I'm good about making sure I'm taking that, I noticed my psoriasis stays suppressed big time. It's a major difference for, difference maker for me. And if I'm lazy about it,

I can get away for, you know, a week or so and then all of a sudden, it'll flare up really bad. And it's like, I gotta recognize what's going on with your body, like the awareness part of it for sure. Like, yeah, maybe you're too late as far as like, okay, the gut, it's talking to you,

and it's past the point where now I got to treat it, but like going forward, what are the steps that I'm going to take to be more preventative, be more proactive in managing that, so it doesn't flare up the same way it does everything This is what really fascinates me with the business that we just recently talked to with the guys at Not iron radio, but the other one that we interviewed that drive. Yeah, yeah, well, we know not thrive Right thrive the podcast Drive nourish balance and thrive. Yeah, they are working on that

Neurosh balance and thrive. Yeah, they are working on that survey. And I think the more that we start diving into that, I think is going to be really cool. Because the only real problem I ever had with ever recommending supplements for people is it's so hard if I don't know what you're lacking. Like when people ask me, like even a generic question, like, oh, should I take fish oil?

Like, I don't know, should you? Like, it really depends. It'll give you a lot of fish by the fuck with you. Yeah, exactly. If you're somebody who eats fish on a regular basis, there's no real need for it. Or if you eat a very highly processed, high six and nine diet, then it's still a waste of money, too.

Even if you do have fish every once in a while. So understanding what your body needs, and then supplementing, supplementing can be a huge, can be a huge game changer for somebody if you understand where you're lying. Oh my God, if you have a deficiency in a nutrient and you supplement with that nutrient, life changing moment.

Better than any muscle builder, fat burner, you'll ever pay for on the market. Oh my God, look, learning what you're deficient in and giving the body what it needs. If you have, if there's certain gut issues that people will have, for example, and they have issues absorbing B vitamins, okay? Someone like that could get a shot, like literally an inject, because they can't absorb B vitamins, or they have issues absorbing.

You give them an injection of B12, and it's like you turn the lights on, like, oh my God, and you'll talk to people who'll be like, oh my God, I get these. I know, so people get huge energy boost from that. You give a B12 shot to someone who absorbs B vitamins fine. They're gonna notice zero. Yeah. Zero from it. I know.

That's me. Here's the problem with how we treat supplements in Western societies. We look at supplements the same way Western medicine views medicine in that you're taking in a cute compound that's going to give you an acute effect to handle the symptom very strongly. So when you look at supplements, they're actually marketed and processed and developed to mimic what drugs do, which I believe is a huge disservice. For example, we were just talking about mushrooms, right?

Chinese medicine or a revetic medicine will take the whole mushroom and we'll put it in an extract in a way to where you can consume it easily and regularly. So like Chinese medicine will say, here's your mushrooms, boil them in water, drink the water, and then eat the mushrooms afterwards, right? Western medicine, or Western scientists will look at the mushroom and say, what is the compounded in the mushroom that we think is giving the benefit?

Then what they'll do is they'll take that out and they'll standardize it and concentrate the fuck out of it. So then now two pills of this particular extract is worth, you know, 500, you know, servings of this natural mushroom. And then there'll be a, here you go. This is what you're going, this is what you want. And that's not good because the reason why herbs and plants and mushrooms and those types of quote unquote supplements are so effective for chronic issues is for the, is the, is the, is the fact that they're whole. There's, there's an entourage effect of how it works.

It's gentle on the body. Anything that has a very strong acute effect on the body will cause a reaction from the body to try and balance itself out. So anything that I take, that I feel right away, unless I'm replacing a deficiency. So forget that, right?

I have all the nutrients I need. I'm, there's no problem with that, whatever. And I take this pill and next thing you know, I'm fucking hyped. Like, whoa, what did you give me? I have so much energy. My body is going to aim to balance itself out in the sense that it doesn't want extremes in either direction.

So the next time I take that pill, whatever effect it had on me is gonna start becoming smaller. And if I keep taking that pill, I'm gonna start developing a tolerance to it, and I'm gonna start to the point where my body is thinking it's balancing itself out because it's assuming you're going to continue taking that pill, and now it's become dependent on that pill. And then when I stop taking that pill, I have withdrawal.

What you want to do, what you should do is identify why you need that pill in the first place. And what herbs do with that holistic approach is they say, let's identify the root cause. And while your body's healing, here are some things you can take that are gonna help your body move in that direction, not give you this huge slam and try and force you in that direction because you can't do that.

Your body tries to balance it. And this is what they do. You take any hormone. Take a hormone. Your body will stop producing that hormone to try to balance it out. You know, cannabinoids, we've talked about marijuana so many times in how it's got lots of benefit.

You smoke a shit ton of weed or you eat a lot of weed. Your body very likely will stop producing or lower its production of its own endocannabinoids and it will downregulate cannabinoid receptors. And all the evidence you need is smoke a bunch of weed every day for a long time, and at some point you'll stop feeling it, and you'll need to take more. So that's the approach that I think people need to have. Otherwise, you end up just throwing a bunch of shit at symptoms. You just keep trying to patch up symptoms and eventually you run out of things to throw at your symptoms and then you're

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The first question is from the green deviant. What are your thoughts on pulsing supplements to encourage the body's natural function? Oh man, what a perfect segue. Pulsing supplements? What are pulsing supplements? So he means like taking, instead of taking supplements all the time, like taking this supplement all the time, taking them for short periods of time

and then not taking them. So pulsing them. Oh, I'm just, cycling them. Yeah, cycling them on. Yeah, pulsing just, cycling them. Yeah, cycling them on. Yeah, pulsing's an interesting. Yeah, I know. I've never heard anybody use that like that. I, this is how you should take supplements.

100%. Yeah, we used to say cycling them on and off all the time. I mean, I, I believe this with almost everything like you just were talking about marijuana just a second ago. I feel like marijuana, any sort of pain medication you may take, any sort of anything that you take, I feel like it's just important. Even food, right?

Exactly, we talk about food rotation, like I think rotating things on the body, and I think there's, you don't need to do it every day, it doesn't need to be crazy, and workouts, same thing too, right? Everything needs to have this natural rotation. I feel like that makes the body run really efficiently. And when you keep giving anything the same thing

all the time, all the time, all the time, it adapts, it gets efficient. And the great benefits that you were seeing from whatever, whatever it was, whether it be a modality of training, a nutrient you're taking in, a drug you're taking, those benefits diminish on all of those things. So the whole cyclical approach is a much better approach than growth is like a bell curve. So if you're going into, you know, with the focus of change, like

whether it's my body or, you know, my health or, you know, like, you're going to introduce things and you're going to introduce like, you're gonna introduce things and you're gonna introduce things, they're gonna have a certain period where, you know, you're gonna spike, you're gonna get at the peak, the pinnacle of, you know, whatever that's providing you at that given time, but, you know, just like anything else, like it's just gonna slowly start to decline back

because you get so efficient, like, and you've done this and your body's regulated and adapted to this. So it's, I mean, like Adam said, it's true for everything, like an example. There's lots of evidence now to show, to suggest that consuming high levels of protein all the time reduces your body's sensitivity to protein. So you stop becoming, you stop utilizing it

for its best benefit, and you just start using it to turn into energy. Some of the best gains that I get from a high protein diet come from when I'm needing low protein, then I throw in a high protein diet. I definitely can attest to that too. Especially in the last year,

so I've played around a lot with this because we have this big debate on whether somebody needs protein supplement or whatever. And I definitely know that I need to utilize a powder, you know, intermittently throughout my week because I just on a day-to-day basis struggle. But I have seen huge benefits to me having these super low days and then all of a sudden having a nice big underlating. Just like we talk about underlating your calories, even underlating the protein intake where our bodies don't work on this exact, you know, this made up thing we call time. This made up thing we call time in 24 hour days.

You know, it's like the body doesn't work that way. It doesn't know the difference between 24 hours and 7 hours. It's really fascinating how, when you think, it's like the body doesn't work that way. It doesn't know the difference between 24 hours and seven hours. It's really fascinating how when you think of it like that, you know, it's what's the difference if you having 75 grams approaching one day and then 350 the next day. I would I would even love to see this like so we talk about underlating calories and how how bet how much better that is in our experience when it comes to fat loss or muscle gain, right? Instead of having the same amount of calories every day, some are lower, some are higher,

at the end of the week it averages out to what we're looking for. I would love to see a study where people eat consistently the same amount of protein at what we've established to be the optimal range for protein, right, 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound of body weight for most people. I would love to see a study where you do that every single day versus some days your way over, some days your lower, some days your added, and then it adds up

to the same amount at the end of the week. I would love to see what the difference would be in terms of performance, muscle gains, and then all the other metrics, because there's a lot of metrics we want to look at as well in terms of energy, digestion, mood, all those things. I'd love to see what the difference would be in that particular sense. I mean, I know in my personal experiences, I feel better than I ever have on the way I'm eating right now,

which is this, like you just said, the end of the week I'm averaging right now, which is this, you know, like you just said, the end of the week, I'm averaging right around 200 to 210 grams of protein. So, 200 to 10 is about what I average, yeah, per day, but it doesn't look like that. Some days are 160, and then some days I go away over 200 something, some days I'll fall right on it. So I go everywhere, all the way from as,

well, sometimes I'll schedule it even lower day, the 160, but typically 160 up to about 250 range and everything in between there. And I find that my body does way better that way. And I feel like it's weird. It reminds me of what I used to feel like when I would carb to plea for a show and then refeed or like that feeling afterwards, that post almost anabolic feeling from it. It's pretty cool to see it to see the difference, you know, and I know right now like the amount of testosterone that I'm on right now, where how I'm training volume wise, like I'm doing the least with the least

amount of work with the least amount of stress food wise and the probably the best shape I've ever been nowhere Nowhere near my stage competitive, getting on there and competing at the elite level, but I mean, I'm not, I haven't carried meals around. I haven't really had to stress about making sure every day I get that 220 grams of protein mark. It's just like, oh, I only had 160 today. I'll make sure that I have 240 tomorrow. Oh, I always, I only, oh, I'll just make, you know.

And this is, and you're finding that it's much more sustainable. Yeah, it's more sustainable. It's, it's way easier to do. And I actually am feeling good response from it. So, what you know, when you take, obviously, when you take, so first off, the human metabolism, or just metabolism, general animal metabolism, is probably the second most complex thing that we've

observed in the universe, right? Right underneath the way the human brain works and processes and develops consciousness. It's literally that complex and we're learning more and more about it all the time and every time we learn something new, we're blown away and we realize that we didn't know nearly as much as we thought. One thing you have to understand is with human metabolism in particular, there are innumerable ways that the body tries to balance itself out. If I take a supplement that has an effect on my body, my body can change its microbiome to balance out that effect.

It can change, it can down-regulate receptors to affect that change. It can affect its own chemical, neurotransmitter, hormone production to affect that change. It can affect my appetite to change my food intake, to affect, to influence how that, everything feels a so many different factors. I'm naming the ones that I know of with many, many more, that can change and modulate how that thing is reacting with your body. So whatever reaction you're getting initially from a supplement is not the same reaction you're going to continue

to get as you continue to take that particular supplement. So if you're getting favorable benefit from supplementing with, you know, creatine, at some point your body will reduce its production of creatine and maybe downregulate, you know, downregulate the way it utilizes creatine, for example. And that's creatine. That's like the most backed by science, most amazing, you know, awesome supplement that's pretty much out there. This is true for anything else. There's almost nothing that should be taken all the time unless you have, you know, a really strong desire or need, unless you're really treating something within yourself. Like I said, if you have an issue producing a particular new

journey, the vitamin D thing for me is something that I should be pretty damn consistent with taking it, especially if I'm not getting a lot of sunlight. I'm inside of a building that has no windows all day long. That's something that if I'm already deficient there, I've put together that I am deficient there. And we can even take that a step further, right? We could, which would take, which is you've been doing, and would just continue to take more and more work is slowly start to dive in and really uncover

the root cause of whether it be the deficiency in vitamin D or the root cause of the psoriasis. But that would take more, you know, you just kind of keep going deeper and deeper and deeper, which takes a lot more work, what you're doing, which it's not like you're not doing it. But my point is with supplements, as with almost anything else, you're going to get your best benefit by, even if you're a performance-based athlete or a aesthetic-based athlete, by cycling them and allowing the body to reap the benefits

and mitigate the side effects, allowing the body to adapt and slowly come off and then try something else. So that's the recommendation, that's the recommendation when you're nutrition, that's the recommendation when supplementation and with your workouts. Quick commercial break, you guys, we keep getting asked all the time,

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If you want some, go to Ben GreenfieldFitness.com, forward slash nature bite, put in the code, mind-pump and get 10% off. Go check it out. Cody K90, can you guys offer any advice on ways to introduce yourself to other professionals? Oh, I like this question. This is, um,

yeah, so what are the challenges with networking, huh? Well, you know, and I think I've said this on this show before that, you know, your, your true net worth is your net circle. And I tell you what, probably one of the most important things I ever put together, and I think I can't remember what book I read.

This was in my early 20s. And I remember first reading about Henry Ford's story. And he attributes a lot of his success by surrounding himself around other brilliant men. And he's got a ton of great quotes and great stories around that. And I remember thinking to myself, like how important that is, as you start to elevate yourself as a professional that you just you can't simply do it all by yourself and I have great examples of people in my current life and

people we've had people on this show before that are kind of one-man team, you know, and they and they and they've been very successful for a one-man team. They they're jack-of-all trades, super talented, hardworking, but you tend to hit a ceiling when you rely on what you're capable of doing, and it really takes your ability to network with others to elevate to a whole other level. And so the importance of this is huge. I think where a lot of people struggle is the social awareness piece, is understanding who you're communicating to. I think the three of us in this room were very blessed that we fell into a profession that kind of forces you to do that,

if you're gonna excel and be good at it at least, because you got, each of us in here have easily trained 10 plus people in a day before and try having 10 1 hour straight conversations with 10 different people and 10 personalities. It really forces you to be a chameleon and read the other person like what their interests are, their demeanor, their tone, everything, and then learning how to mirror that I think is an important piece

to being able to conversate with professionals. So I think that's a place to start and important. Yeah. Well, definitely that. I mean, this has always been something for me that's been a growth, a development, something I had to like force myself to get better at and immerse myself in an environment that you know placed pressure on that. And so you know, for me, it started off with just waiting tables and then it started off and then I started bartending and just

the small talk element of it. Like for me, like I kept that close to myself. I kept that between like me and a couple of my friends. And so getting outside of that, and really starting to express myself more, took a lot of work, man. It took some training and it took, you know, like just me, like really putting emphasis on that and going up to people and figuring out the best

approach for that, the opening line or just like hello and then like where do we go from here. You just get better as the more reps you kind of place into that. And it's kind of funny because going through sort of like a timeline of all the different characters I've met that have tried to help coach me with this. Everybody has their own style and their own approach. They're charismatic in different ways. I ran into a couple of people that were like the fake until you make it kind of characters. There's always that.

I highly caution against taking that approach. I just don't feel like, you know, in today's day and age, like if you're not authentic right from the get-go and then you're planning on later on kind of evolving into this character that you're creating, like you're gonna have a tough, tough time and people are not gonna take you seriously after that. Well, someone calls you out on it, man. You're done.

You're fucked, yeah. I think the only way I would apply fake it to your make it would be more in my, like if I'm like, fuck, I'm so nervous right now. Well, I'm gonna pretend like I'm real confident. You know what I mean? Like that type of thing. That's different though.

Yeah, I'm talking about like people that would create, you know, like famous people, they've trained or- Right, right. Act like they're bigger than what they really are. Yeah, no, that's stupid. And the funny thing is people really love, at least good people really love honesty. You know, one of the easiest ways to introduce yourself

or talk to other professionals is ask them about what they do. There's, yeah, let that go. Nobody, it's, everybody likes to talk about themselves. It's not, they appreciate it almost. It opens up the conversation, then it becomes easy to kind of introduce what you do. If you're at a party, imagine saying, thinking in your head like, okay, I want to tell people that I'm a trainer, so I can start talking about personal training.

I mean, that's fucking tough. What do you do? Hey, hi, I'm Salamah personal trainer. I have the look at you, like, I'm a fucking idiot. You can introduce yourself and be like. Like, what do you do? Hey, hi, I'm Salamah personal trainer. I have to look at you like I'm a fucking idiot. You can introduce yourself and be like, hey, what do you do for a living? And next thing you know, they're gonna talk about what they're doing for a living.

And then you're asking them questions about what they're doing for a living. Like, what's that like? Who do you work with? Wow, that sounds really cool. Now you're having this great conversation, mainly them talking, you listening. And at some point, the high odds are they're gonna ask you

what you do, and then you can get into, you know, talking a little bit about what you do. I'll give you some some actual takeaway things that you can do as far as putting systems in place to enhance this whole thing. So I wanted to hear what the boys I'd just say, this is really my favorite part of what we do. I love networking with people. I love building relationships. I pride myself on being pretty good at that. And over years, there's certain things that I've put in place to learn to manage that. And you kind of have to, as your network grows and the amount of people that you're talking to grows to keep those relationships takes a lot more work.

And in my case, it's taken the help of an assistant. So I actually have somebody who helps me do a lot of this relationship building with professionals. But what it starts with, and this is what a lot of people don't have the stomach for, is all the fucking work and all everything that you have to give to build the relationship. You have to give a lot. So and for me, I know what I'm good at.

I couldn't fix a dryer if it broke or a light bulb went out in my house. These are not my skills. I know what my skills are and what I can provide for another professional. So if I meet like a doctor, Ruscio, who we like or a doctor, bring, or a, you know, Paul check, or, you know, you meet the Tom Bill, you, these great minds that we've had on the show, I, what I'm looking for is what I'm really, really good at. And maybe something that are not as good at that I can provide that service to them. And sometimes that is something to do with

social stuff or sometimes it's business related. Sometimes it's fitness and health and nutrition stuff or just other contacts in your list. Right. Connect them sharing, sharing other really exactly. It'll be on the business side. Right. If I see that they need help in the business side. So I first look for, where can I help this person? What can I do for them? And I do it without expecting anything in return. I want to genuinely, if I like this person and I wanna build a relationship with this professional,

I wanna give him or her something that I'm really good at or that I could provide for them that is a value. And most people will appreciate that. And but that's where the part that I said people can't stomach or keep doing is that it doesn't stop there. Like so from that point, now I've established the beginning of this relationship

and then I'm gonna continue to water it. Now where I'm at now in my career compared to where I was, I had to do a lot of this on my own, but now I rely on an assistant that I can say, listen, I want an email to go to this person, a letter to go to this person, I make sure that you send a happy birthday to this person's kids.

Like, if I have a professional, I know that's a total family man or woman and like they're telling me a lot about their family. I'm gonna take note of that and I'm gonna make sure that I make a comment something related that to show that person that I genuinely cared about their conversation and cared about something that they care about. Like being able to connect with people like that and then to continue to foster that over

time because everybody at least most people in business know that that's important but then a lot of times it's fake, it's not real, it's just they put up a front and then when they go their separate ways, they never hear from each other and they don't give a shit about what they're doing They were just maybe using each other for a mutual benefit But if you or the guy or girl who follows up on these people and you're constantly staying in touch with them and and doing those little things to show that you care About their profession and their family and their lives You really can foster those relationships, but it's first you gotta give.

You gotta give like crazy and not, and a lot of times it happens to me all the time, and I've expressed this to the boys before, or I'm just like, you know, I'll give you an example. Like sometimes I'll open my doors to people where I'll let them come in, stay with me, and I'll mentor and talk business with them and spend two or three days,

because I know that this could be a potential solid relationship for the business and us down the road, and I want to help foster and build that. So sometimes I'll spend time with a person like this, and then after three or four days, I realize like this is not gonna be a beneficial relationship, or this person is not going to return anything or do anything for us. And I've literally just wasted three days of energy. That's when you're dealing with an energy suck.

Yeah, and that's, but that's part of this. This, and that is part of you're going to have those situations where you pour yourself into another professional, hoping that they receive it and you form a relationship and sometimes you won't and you can't be discouraged by that because if you continue being that person, eventually you'll get somebody who respects you for that or appreciates that and you'll forge these great relations. Then from there it's about fostering it.

I think one thing that's funny about this question is it makes me remember introducing myself to people now like, you know, new friends or like my girlfriend's family when I first met them and they're like, so what do you do for a living? I can't. Yeah, what do you guys say? I just, oh, I have a fitness podcast.

It's changed. Huh? Yeah, what's that? You gotta, how do you, her dad even asked me, we were talking. He's like, what do you say, so what do you do? And I'm like, oh, I have a fitness podcast. And he's like, what's a podcast?

I'm like, oh, that's kind of like a radio show. And he's like, oh, what else do you do? Like, what? That's kind of, yeah, that's kind of cute. And he's like, how do you make money? You have to display like what to do is a lot easier when I was just a, when I just said personal trainer. You kind of got it.

Yeah, I do. I actually like it now that we have like, you know, complex titles. Yeah. Instead of just trainer, I used to get so irritated. I think I just say radio show, because a lot of people don't know what a podcast is. What station are you on?

Yeah, right. Then you get that follow up. I don't, but I definitely think that that's an awesome question and I think that it's, you know, don't be afraid to put yourself out there. Don't be afraid to give, find what your strengths are. Well, it's an essential piece to growth in your business. I mean, like the network, I feel like this is definitely a piece a lot of people to collect and that's why, you know, you do have to go into that like, great of detail, like Adam's talking

about with each person, you're always thinking about what you can give that person. You're never thinking about what you can immediately benefit from them. You're just putting yourself out there. And then when the timing is right, and you have something where you're like, oh man, and you just notify them, like, hey, I have this thing I'm doing,

and I'd love for you to come with me or whatever. That's when they're gonna show up. Right. I mean, I just, I think it was like maybe two days ago, I called Brianna and said, I need your help, I need you to have Cassie put together a list, and I want like literally everybody we've had on the, because it's getting tough for me. Like I'm having a hard time managing this part

of the business right now, that I have to get even more systematic about it where I'm like, okay, I need everybody in any way that's been on the show. I want all their social media presidents. I want their emailing, their home address. I want all these things that I can reach them. That way, now I can say, hey, it's been a couple of weeks since I've reached out to this person, send this to them,

send that to them and put birthday. It's all that shit. I now have to be more organized about it for the amount of professionals now that we've connected with. So that is obviously an evolution though, of the first, like I said, the giving, giving yourself and providing for others. I think that a lot of people are afraid to do that, you know?

Diego MDE to MIA. Occlusion training is a good for long-term muscle growth or just for a temporary pump? This is a so we this was something we addressed a long time ago when we started mind pump. It was a relatively new form of training it now the research that goes behind occlusion training goes back as underground It goes back to the late mid-late 90s in Japan. Japanese researchers noticed that when they would occlude a muscle and train it, and I'll get into what that means, by the way, when they'd occlude a muscle and train it, that people would build muscle like as if they were lifting heavy weight.

It might even go back further. Doug mentioning, motioning to me like it went back even further, but the actual technique behind it that I was aware of was actually in the late 90s in Japan like I said. So first off, let's talk about the pump. The pump is a temporary feeling.

It's the technical term for it is transient sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. And sarcoplasm is everything besides muscle fibers. And it's transient in the sense that you get this pump because there's more blood in the muscle than the normally is. And then it goes away because the blood rushes out. You get that way exaggerated with occlusion training.

However, the pump by itself also contributes to muscle growth. So although the pump itself is temporary, getting a pump seems to signal muscle growth. For one or two reasons. One, the ability to get a pump means you're probably in an environment where it's optimal for muscle growth. And two, the pump itself, we're now showing to have muscle fibers stimulating growth.

The growth that you get from occlusion training is muscle fiber growth. It's real. So it's not just this temporary effect. You do get this crazy pump when you do occlusion. That it's the most intense pump you'll ever have in your entire life. Oh, it was discovered in 1966. Excellent. Very cool. Thanks, Doug.

You do get a ridiculous pump like you never had before and it does go away when you take the bands off your arms or the straps off your arms. But it does stimulate muscle growth differently than traditional muscle. Excuse me, traditional exercise. With traditional exercise, you get what's called mechanical stress on the muscle fibers and you get metabolic stress on the muscles. Mechanical stress comes from the load. It's heavy weight, you're grinding it out. The muscle fibers have to contractually hard.

That causes some kind of damage. Then there's this metabolic stress from everything from lactic acid that goes in a muscle, the type of energy that you use, the pump, the burn, that's all metabolic stress. Occlusion training doesn't do very good of a job of mechanical stress because you'll notice when you do occlusion training, you can't lift nearly. But this is also what makes it so awesome for rehab and people that have injuries that can't do a lot of weight.

You are getting a lot of metabolic stress on the muscle. To go into what occlusion training looks like, if I were to do this on my arms, and we're going to film a YouTube video today on occlusion training, so I think it'll be up when this episode comes up and you can refer to it. With occlusion training, I'm wrapping, if I'm doing my arms, for example, I'm wrapping a knee wrap at the top of my arm, and I'm doing it tight enough to restrict venous outflow. Now, I'm not cutting off blood to my arm. If you do that, you're going to hurt yourself, and it's going to be dangerous, you're not going to build more muscle. But if I do it,

so it's loose enough to allow some blood flow, but tight enough to restrict some blood flow coming out of my muscle Then I'm going to get this pooling effect in my muscle. So if I'm working at my biceps I'll get this really intense pump. It'll reduce my biceps ability to pump out waste So I get this waste buildup within my biceps. You get this Insane burn this insane pump and you notice this reduced ability to contract the muscle. So as I do sets of curls with 10 pounds, whereas normally I could do 35 pounds,

by the second and third set, 10 pounds feels like 60 pounds. I can barely move the weight. It's incredibly painful, and they've created all this metabolic stress on my muscle. When you combine occlusion training to a traditional resistance training routine in the right way, that's a big asterisk there, has to be done properly. You will stimulate muscle growth more than if you didn't use it. And what Adam's saying, as far as injury, that's the biggest benefit.

Like, if I have an injured knee... It's a game changer for that. Oh man, if I have an injured knee, I can't squat with heavy weight, but I can squat with maybe body weight or do a leg extension. Yeah, leg extension blood included is huge. Oh, yeah. And I'm gonna create all this metabolic stress, so it's gonna prevent muscle atrophy much better than if I didn't do it at all. Um, and I don't need to do heavy weight with it. So for physical therapy, man, occlusion training through we actually wrote a guide on this. We have a guide. We don't talk about it much, but it's available at MindPump Media. Well, we don't talk about it much because we wanted to write a guide

one because at the time that this was like two years ago, right, that was one of our early guides, it was hot and trending and we wanted to show people the right protocol if you're going to do it. But it's not one of those things that we recommend that people oh, do this only or this is going to be so here's the thing too. Here's the one thing to keep in mind. If you're somebody who trains similar to my buddy Craig Caperso, where you are very

high volume, super setting like crazy, you know, doing a lot of sets and repetitions in a workout, constantly pumped and burning all the time, these people tend to see the least amount of benefit from it. Because you're getting a lot of the, you know, circle plasma hypertrophy benefits, benefits that Sal talked about earlier from kind of training that way. So the adaptation for is not, you don't see this huge change or difference. Now, someone like me who phases in and out of his workouts and I'm always cycling that, it was a major. I saw a major difference from it right away.

But then I got so excited about it, I was doing it all the time. And then it started to impede on my normal phasing and my normal training for my calves. And it started to kind of plateau pretty hard on them and I even regressed a little bit and so I realized that this is not something that should replace how I train my calves or my arms whatever I'm including it should be something that I do supplemental in addition to it so be great for like how we recommend trigger days and focus

days it's a great I think to include into those type of workouts. Yeah, if you're advanced, I would say to include, to do like three or four occlusion sets in your training, I don't know, twice a month. Oh, I go, I do it more than that. If you see me workout at goals, those that work out the same gym as I do. What do you want so week? Yeah, well, I do my calves probably once a week and every once in a while I sporadically will throw my arms in there.

So how often do you work calves for throughout the, because you're doing it once a week, but you're working out your calves more than once. Oh, three to four. My calves get hit three to four times a week. So like one out of every three or four workouts. Yeah. Yeah, yes. And actually the way what I normally do is if I

If I'm trying to basically hit my calves every other day and if I feel like I I went really heavy Maybe the day before I was doing five by five type of protocol and I felt sore from that and from two days ago I might do a protocol like that where I'm not going to Lift a ton of weight on it and like you said do a lot of mechanical damage to it, right? I'm gonna go more towards the circle plasmate pump. That would be a day that I would kind of intermittently throw it in there. Well, I'll tell you, I measured my arms and my calves and everything when I did this.

I gained a legit quarter inch on my arms from doing occlusion training, kind of inserting it at semi-regular intervals and my calves. I love it. I gained about a quarter. So I'm in a quarter inch on... Quads are a motherfucker though.

I'll be the... I've done that a couple times and every time I'm like... I don't do it on my quads. They get too big. But like I said, to add a quarter inch for me is hard. I've been training for so long. Yeah, it's doubling the size of them. I mean, I gotta a half inch guns.

It was when I first started using it, it was really mind blowing. It was a game changer because it was so different. If you're advanced, I highly recommend giving it a shot but do it right because I could see how someone will put these on to tie it. It's definitely an advanced tool. To me, inclusion training is what fasting

is to somebody who's definitely an advanced tool. To me, occlusion training is what fasting is to somebody who's just learning about nutrition. It's something that I don't think the average person should mess with, but if you're an advanced lifter and you've been training, I think it's an excellent tool to add to your arsenal. And I'm actually surprised I don't see more of it in the gym. I get looks all the time when I'm doing it.

So I know people are watching me do it, but they're probably going, what the fuck is he doing? I don't ever get anybody that asks. And if you do ever see me doing this, I don't mind you talking to me or asking me. I feel like sometimes I look so focused people are afraid to come over and say something to me. And I know, I see those shirts.

I see our shirts all the time float around the gym. And come up, say hi. I don't mind people talking to me. Right in the middle of a set of squats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't do me. Right in the middle of a set of squats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, don't do it. Look in the eyes. Yeah.

Hey Adam, hey Adam, hey Adam. But I have, I've done, you know what this? There's like a couple of things that I do in the gym that I catch people. I know they're going, what the fuck? And they're staring at me this. When I do blood occlusion and when I do CISC squats, those two I always can tell that like,

people are going, what the fuck is this guy doing? You've seen me doing that, come over and talk to me, I'll talk to you about why or how I implement it into my invention routine. Yeah, I put a collision training up there with using bands and chains and other types of techniques that you can add to your routine to add to it. Definitely doesn't replace anything, that's for sure.

So I made the same mistake as Adam where I got all carried away with it and kind of started doing less of the ad-ons. Exactly. Exactly, I wouldn't place it, I wouldn't make it as effective as trigger sessions or focus session type stuff. Well, because it's a little more- Those are more stable.

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Next up is Bridget Donahue. Would you recommend Maps Prime Pro to someone who has a permanent neurological injury as a way to regain function. Absolutely. That's who it needed most. Absolutely. So permanent neurological injury or issues, you know, were put in the post type of,

anybody with anything neurologically like that, to me, those people are, I just had this conversation, who was it in my family that I just got told this and I was like, why have we not been having her do this type of stuff way early? You know what, it's crazy, and this is another thing that pisses me off about Western medicine, is that it's very common, I see this, where people have some sort of, you know,

neurological permanent dysfunction, and they're taking all the medications, and it's all the stuff and it's just oh you know over time she's losing the ability to move this leg and it's just we don't do anything about it it's like well what are we exercising or trying to get your movement? Yeah what are we trying to do? Like I mean fight that as long as you possibly can like if you've got something it's yeah you're probably not you're not gonna cure something that's uncurable, but you most certainly will slow down the progression of a disease that is actually like a

degenerate disease like that. I mean God that's 100% that person you have you have cases where people have someone has actually reversed you've had there's tons of cases there are tons and tons and tons and tons of cases What was Dr. Terry Walsh? Remember I heard a horrible she went declined like horrible. Emissively was bed was bedridden and reversed it through nutrition and self-percision movement. There are lots of cases where people have incurable ailments and either fixed it through changing their lifestyle or it spontaneously reversed reversed that happens a lot too Happens with cancer people will go into the doctor and they're like oh you've got stage 4 whatever cancer

You've got a month to live and then the body just decides to for whatever reason get rid of it and then they're cured So it's definitely possible the way I look at it is this if you have a condition your potential is lowered. So you may not have the same potential as someone who doesn't have this particular condition, but there's still a range of potentials. And what I mean by that is there's a worst you can hit to

and there's a best you can get to. And the way you can get to your best is through doing the movement, through nutrition, through mindfulness, through everything that you can do to get your best. You know what I'm saying? So you may not get as good as someone else, but there's a lot that you can do to get better

or at least slow down to generation. Well, and there's serious urgency there, to maintain the function in your abilities that you have currently. I remember training the slave that had MS and just having her do step-ups and having her do really controlled movements where she was connecting to balance or just really slow, like methodical, mindful movements, like it made an enormous impact. And, you know, when she was consistent and she would come in and during the week, it

was almost like you'd see right before your eyes, you'd see like the movement, the her walking change, all these things changed. And then something would happen where it was a bad day. The next week, I wouldn't see her for like a week and it was like we start all over again. And you also don't know what you don't know. So I'll give you an example. I had a client years ago. She was an advanced age.

She was in her 80s and she had some degenerative issues going on. Dimension was one of them and she was also losing mobility and function with her body. But we trained consistently and the D generation was quite slow. It was very, very slow to where I trained her for about five years and I could tell that there was some degenerate, you know, things were going down, but it was, it was because it was, I have been with her so long and it was over the course of five years and I could kind of see it happening and it was very slow. Then she broke her leg, getting out of the bathtub, and she was sick.

And the acceleration of the degeneration of her body and her mind was so alarmingly rapid that it blew everyone away and her family and it blew me away. But it did remind me that, because during that period of time while I was training, or I remember thinking like, fuck, we're not, we're not improving. And in some areas, I can see that we may be regressing a little bit. But what I wasn't paying, what I wasn't realizing was, we were doing a lot.

There was a lot of stuff we were doing to prevent the quick deceleration of her degeneration of her body and her mind. So that's the other thing you want to keep in mind. Another example is a FDR, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who got polio and lost the function of his legs. He was a big proponent of exercise and activity. Way back when lots of people, this was like a new thing. He actually, you know, he come from a very wealthy family and invested, one of the few things I like about him. He

invested in these spas where they would do lots of water therapy, exercise, massage, and you would have all, you know, sunlight that way ahead of their time. And people would come down from all over the country who were sick and had Issues and they believed in these therapies and he was like Religious about it now he never gained back full function of his legs And I've actually heard people say like oh, he wasted his time But how can you possibly say that we don't know the unseen? We don't know how much more he would have been in both his mental state, psychological

state, and maybe even his physical function. Definitely, when you have issues with your body, be very proactive and positive with them. Although you may not see this crazy progression, you may be preventing a quick degeneration or you may be slowing down a degeneration. And one thing you wanna understand too, is you can take someone that's got normal health and I can put them in a chair

and tell them don't get up for the next two weeks and we will see a loss of function. And I can also take that same person and take them through exercise and see dramatic improvements in their function. Well, that applies to everybody. Maybe again, maybe the potential isn't the same, but your brain is still,

there's still some neuroplasticity going on. There's still your ability to make connections with other muscles. Maybe you never gain function in particular muscles, but all you end up doing is improving your body's ability to compensate with other muscles. So you may not be able to walk great because your quadriceps aren't firing,

but maybe through practice and training, you operate your hips and calves and everything else better so that you can function better with this dysfunction. So I highly recommend utilizing some of the techniques. And Prime Pro is great because it's all about connection. It's all about connections, it's all about connecting. And don't underestimate your brain's ability to adapt.

There was a man in China, I believe, who went to the doctor recently. This was a news article. I love to find it. It's fucking fascinating. Went to the doctor for something, headache or something, and they didn't MRI, and they found that he had half a brain, literally half a brain inside his skull. Nobody ever knew about this because although he was, because, although he wasn't the brightest person or whatever, there was no huge signs that there was something wrong with him. What had happened is his brain, your brain so adaptable that half of the brain learned how to do

all this other stuff. You take over all the job. Yeah, to where nobody really could tell until they showed them the samurai and they're like, oh shit, you have half a brain. So yeah, your brain and your body have this amazing ability to compensate too. So sometimes Western medicine doctors will be like, hey, you've got this neurological issue.

Guaranteed 100%, you'll never regain function in these nerves. Well, that doesn't mean you should stop because there's other functions of the body, there's other nerves of the body, there's other nerves of the body, other muscles, other parts of your brain that can learn to compensate to help you function better and that only is going to come from practice. It's only to come from practice, exercise, and trying. It ain't going to happen if you just sit there. So, again, my advice 100%, you got something that someone says is permanent, do what you can to either a reverse it, slow down the progression or teach your body had to compensate with its other functions. With that, go to mindpumpmedia.com because we

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