Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 589: Mastering Intuitive Eating, Plyos vs. Isometrics, Friction Points Between the Mind Pump Hosts & MORE

Episode Date: September 6, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about knowing if you are... able to eat intuitively and still reach personal body goals, If they were a head coach for a football team how would they run their team, whether plyometric exercises are more beneficial than isometrics and if there is any friction between the Mind Pump team because of different lifestyles and personalities. Guys talk team leaders and being picked last in sports (4:00) Guys talk heat wave in CA (7:45) Adam talks about his back accident (10:10) Fell off ladder Guys talk the Ice Bath Challenge / Body system awareness (15:58) Quah question #1 – How does one know if they are able to eat intuitively and reach their body weight goals? (35:13) Being connected to your body Signals Eliminate all processed foods Engineered by human to hack your body’s signals Eliminations Diet For healthy individuals, learn how to fast Slow down while eating and don’t consume liquids Quah question #2 – If you were a head coach for a football team, how would you run your team? (50:15) Establish fundamentals and techniques Avoid injury Mental focus Quah question #3 – Are isometric exercises better than plyometric ones? Which ones can be applied better? (1:00:18) Isometrics – weekend warrior Plyometrics – athlete Quah question #4 – Is there any friction between you guys, because of your lifestyles and personalities? (1:12:34) Have respect for each other Ego vs. greater good Flexible with each other Related Links/Products Mentioned Organifi Coupon Code "mindpump" Brain.fm Kimera Koffee Company Coupon Code "mindpump" Ask Me Anything Ice Bath Challenge | MIND PUMP (YouTube) Can Food be Addictive? Public Health and Policy Implications (study) When the Game Stands Tall (2014) – IMDb (movie)  Ben Greenfield NatureBite Energy Bars Coupon Code "mindpump" Audible Trial Ben Greenfield CBD Supplements Mind Pump TV (YouTube) People Mentioned: Bradley Martyn (@BradleyMartyn) · Twitter Premiere Spine & Sport (@premiere_spine_sport) • Instagram Dr. Justin Brink Wim Hof (@Iceman_Hof) | Twitter Ben Pakulski (@ifbbbenpak) • Instagram Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpradio) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Starting point is 00:00:41 You'll never guess. The recent heat wave here in the Bay Area, in particular here in San Jose and in Santa Cruz, we talk about Adam's great fall. Or did Sal push me. He almost died, but then he didn't. And then we talk about what happened during the ice bath challenge.
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Starting point is 00:01:49 The next question was if you were a head coach for a team, how would you run your team? Would you be physically demanding and risk injuries? Or would you take a different approach? In other words, would you injure everybody? Or would you train them properly? Then we answer the question about pliometrics versus isometrics. Which one is better for sports? What's a metrics? Yeah, which one's better for sports, powerlifting, and your typical weekend warriors. And finally, is there any friction between me, Adam, Justin, and Doug, because of our different lifestyles? We need lube.
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Starting point is 00:03:58 Who's gonna be last? Who's gonna be last? Adam or John? Just and of course. Oh man. Slacker, yeah. I mean, I'm in. One of these things doesn't belong. Remember that? Sesame Street.
Starting point is 00:04:11 One of these things is not like the other. Yeah. You know, kids are pussy nowadays because when we were kids, that was the shit we were singing. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you doesn't belong. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:23 You have to deal with it. Could you fix skin? Yeah, get the fuck out. That's it. You know, they don't? Like when you doesn't belong. You have to deal with it. Did you pick skin? Get the fuck out. That's it. You have a weird face. They don't do team captains in schools anymore? Are you shading me? No, you can't even be a leader anymore. No, they don't let you pick teams like that, dude.
Starting point is 00:04:40 So, discriminate. Do you know why? So, one person that left that. Because always someone's last. I remember that. I remember, you know what so is one person that left because always someone's last? You know what I remember that I remember I you know it's funny actually I remember I remember the only time in my life being I was in second grade and it was kickball You got picked last got picked that was the only time in my life They know what though it mode that was second grade Mote I'm fucking after that forever became an athlete at that point in my life I was heading down the road of South. I probably could have been more into encyclopedias and reading
Starting point is 00:05:09 had I continue if I let that discourage me, but instead of that letting that discourage me, you know what I did Justin? Yeah. It motivated me to be a better kick-buck champion. To be a full champion. Yes. You know what's interesting is I had that same moment in sports. Interesting is I had that same moment in sports. Like, you know, like I, I, I wasn't able to like see the field, right? I was sitting on a bench. I was playing baseball and it just would irritate the shit out of me. But that forced me to get better. And so I got better.
Starting point is 00:05:36 You know, the irony is sports. The irony is I don't think I ever got really provided that. I don't think I ever got picked last. I swear to God, that's what you know, I was always somewhere in the middle getting picked. But you know, they say the reason why they don't think I ever got picked last. That's what it got. That's what you know. I was always somewhere in the middle getting picked, but you know, they say the reason why they don't let it happen anymore is they say it's traumatizing, right?
Starting point is 00:05:51 Which I think you guys just fucking proved since you remember in second grade, you got picked last. Good job, Adam. Now they're gonna keep it out of me. Yeah, okay, well, I think traumatized is the wrong word, but is it forever memorable? Was it forever memorable?
Starting point is 00:06:04 Absolutely. Now can something that's forever memorable? Was it forever memorable? Absolutely. Now, can something that's forever memorable change you for the good? Absolutely. Does it, and the question is, do a majority of people, are they motivated by something like that, or they demotivated? So that would be,
Starting point is 00:06:17 Well, let's talk about how people respond to criticism and how people don't, they want to completely deflect where they suck, right? They don't want to admit that they're not good at something, right? Right. Why can't somebody else point that out? You know, like that we're in a world now where you can't even point that out to somebody else like, oh, you suck at this.
Starting point is 00:06:39 You know, who ends up, you know what happens anyway? I do have to sell all the time. You know what happens in life anyway? Life will point shit out to you. Yeah, right, right. So it's gonna rather come from like a friendly face. Yeah, I mean, you imagine you're like, you graduate. That's what's happened sometimes.
Starting point is 00:06:54 You know, it's kids graduate college and they're like, yes, I'm fucking great at everything. Like everything I've ever done. All the things I've ever saw. All the things, I meet so many kids. All the things you're having. You have an Ethan life. Yeah, they're just oh I'm the ball a school yeah, then they go apply to company. No, you're not they apply to company and like in the you know
Starting point is 00:07:12 They're getting interviewed by the HR manager HR managers looking at the the resume like okay, so says here you have no experience whatsoever you have a degree in basket weaving and classical history and you would like the position of CEO. You know, you need to meet please. Yeah. How does that work? How does that work out? So this weekend, I think we were on the sun this weekend. San Jose was closer to the sun. Oh my god. Yeah, why was it so fucking Mercury hottest day of the year for us I believe right? I don't remember it ever being that hot
Starting point is 00:07:51 115 at one point. It was something weird So hot it was weird This is strange how how was it in Santa Cruz? Yeah, I was like I'm not even joking It was 115 and there was like 111 in the shade. Oh, in Santa Cruz? This is fucking weird. Oh my God. I thought we'd finally calm down, but that was one day.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I thought we'd pay these astronomical prices to live here, to not have that. Yeah, that's why we fucking... We didn't have cactuses, what the hell's going on? It was, it was shit. Did you guys go swimming in shit all day long or what? Yeah, I went in the ocean, man. I had to get in some cold water like we were there all day
Starting point is 00:08:28 Was it Saturday? Yeah, we were there Saturday and I'm not usually a big beach person because especially because like everybody and their mother You know drives across the hill and like it's just a cluster fuck was it crowded? I'm sure was crowded Well, I went to one that you know, I'm not even gonna say cuz I don't want people to go there I'm sure it was crowded. Well, I went to one that, you know, while I'm not even gonna say, because I don't want people to go there. You're one of those people. Yeah, but it like we got there and it was like,
Starting point is 00:08:49 you know, it was still crowded for what it was, but you know, it was fine because like, at least that way we had access to the beach and we could go in the water. And so we were there like the entire day. I was in the water, I'd get out and the sand was so fucking hot. You know, everything was just like emanating heat I had to be in the water.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Oh yeah, we went to the pool, me and the kids were in the pool all day long, which was a lot of fun. But yeah, man, it was, I mean, it hit 115 here and it reminded me of when I lived in Palm Desert, that kind of heat, like when you get in the car. Yeah. And you can't touch anything in the car. Yeah, it's actually open to oven,
Starting point is 00:09:30 and it just, this blast of heat. It was nasty. Think fully I have AC. Do you guys have AC? I only have it in my house. I only have it in my master bedroom. So everything else in the house is not AC. And even then then we were blasting
Starting point is 00:09:45 at 24 seven for two days straight and it could never get my room below 70. It just couldn't get a below 70. It was too much. I had ice packs on me all week. We can long and I had them on my back, but I was like, I ended up putting them all over my body. This is a documentary. Just keep them coming. Oh yeah, dude. How is your back? Oh yeah, you got to tell the audience what happened. So we were worried about you. I'm a bit fucked up. I'm not gonna lie. You're trying to wrestle, dude. Yeah, I just want to wrestle the chip. I'm gonna wrestle the chip.
Starting point is 00:10:16 The chip. So you know, I'm not one to bitch in moan when I when I because I've been hurt plenty of times playing sports my whole life That was the first time though. I've ever fallen off a fucking 10 foot ladder and landed on my back. That's for sure I don't think it's 10 feet though. It is 10 feet. It is a 10 feet ladder Yes, so all I remember was because you were on the top of the ladder We were trying to put the ice bath tub because we were done with our ice bath challenge Which by the way if you haven't seen it go to YouTube Fucking hilarious. We're gonna talk about that too
Starting point is 00:10:46 in a second, because I want to make sure I defend myself for losing. Oh, there you go. We were putting the tub up, so Adam's on the top of the ladder, and me and was it you, Doug, were you helping with this? It was you and Taylor. Oh, Tim, me and Taylor, we were pushing it up to help him, and it's really awkward.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And so I'm looking, I'm not looking at Adam, I'm kind of looking away because I'm the way in position. And all of a sudden, the the tub is out of my hands. And I hear, and I hear Adam, that's the sound he made. It was like, oh, not the air body hit. It knocked the air out of me. And I look over and Adam's kind of on his side. Yeah. I caught the end of it. Bro, Adam with his hands and his legs up, you know, in the air. For a split second dude, I'm like, oh fuck, we're gonna have to get Bradley Martin to be our new host. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Or someone like that. I don't know. I thought he might have done it. I was handsome and opinionated. But you, you didn't break shit. I didn't. You're way more resilient than you would think. You wanna know what's funny.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Cause you fell from a high position. Well, no, I fucked me up. I my my left side of my back is swollen I definitely have not been able to train it hurts to twist like I'm definitely it got me for sure I'm I don't think I did any structural damage. I don't think I broke compressed crack You feel like bruise the shit out of it. Yeah, I think I bruised my really. Yeah, I think I might have bruised my ribs And you fell right on your side, right? Yeah, I was like side back, right? So I was, that's smart because I had you posted with your arm. That might have been better.
Starting point is 00:12:09 You know what, you know what? So yesterday, what was the most sore? How funny is this was my core. My abs, because I must have braced so hard before I hit. I must have tensed up super hard and then taking that back. Didn't knock the wind out of you, right? Yeah, knocked the wind out of me. Just a little bit, not real bad. And it reminded me. So I I wrecked my ATV. I was hitting tabletop jumps and I was
Starting point is 00:12:35 racing. I was driving my buddies and my buddy has a twist throttle and I have a thumb thought. I'm just so I'm not used to it. And I went into the jump and I, they get a lot of power, so it pulled me back. And when it pulled me back, the natural reaction was to grip down on the throttle, and that I gripped down on it and it took off on me. And so I went up this jump, it was already riding a wheelie into the jump. So it automatically sent me in that back rotation
Starting point is 00:13:01 when I hit, because it was a tabletop, so it was a steep ass lip. And so it threw me, and so if you can imagine, I was starting to do a barrel roll with an ATV, off a monster jump. And so I bailed, I pushed away from it, but I was a good probably 12, 15 feet in the air and landed flat on my tailbone.
Starting point is 00:13:22 That one really knocked the air out of me, but the same thing, like the adrenaline from the fear and the rush of, you know, bailing from, bailing from that, and knowing you're gonna crash and get hurt, that was like the shock, like a hop right up, like I don't even feel the injury, I don't feel it till like the next day.
Starting point is 00:13:42 This was kind of like that, although I started to feel this in the evening time. I was like, oh fuck, I feel it today already, like oh tomorrow will be bad. I went, but right away though, I mean, I was on it, man. I, should I hit the red light therapy for about 15 minutes before I left here, then I went and saw Dr. Brink, and I got into the cryotherapy,
Starting point is 00:14:03 then had him do laser on me. Are you taking the turmeric for the inflammation? Oh yeah, I took turmeric, I took turmeric, I've had nothing but veggies and fish and stuff like that so I've been on all the anti-inflammatory stuff and I've been icing like for 20 minutes on, 30 off, 20 have been doing that like crazy. So I've definitely been staying on top of it and feel pretty damn good
Starting point is 00:14:30 considering what happened to me. Well, people died from pulling off a fucking ladder, dude. And was a time. Yeah, it was a nasty fall, man. It's up there with some of the better crashes that I've had in my life. I, that, the one I was saying, that one actually, I cracked my caulking, which talk about, that's a shitty one because they can't do shit about that. So I went and saw, I had X-ray, I had to rush me to,
Starting point is 00:14:50 they had to rush me to the hospital for that because I'm driving home and I don't, I know I'm in pain, it was a similar pain, like just landing on your back like that. I knew like, oh, it did not feel good. And we're driving home and all of a sudden, I lose all of feeling in my right leg, and I fucking freak out.
Starting point is 00:15:07 I mean, I cannot, like it went from just kinda hurting my back to we're driving home, and then I'll say, whoop, can't feel my whole right side. And so, I was like, go to the ER, we rushed the ER, and so obviously I swam, my back had got so swollen that it pinched the nerve, and then I wouldn't know. No, but that reminded me of that fall, I got so swollen that it pinched the nerve and then it got, nope, nope. But it reminded me of that fall
Starting point is 00:15:28 when I went down and thinking, oh God, like, I hope this is not one of those things that I can't do anything. Cause that one laid me up for a solid week. I was laid up from that and couldn't really do anything, but ice and just lay around. You can't do anything for a crack caulking. So I was afraid that I might have done some damage
Starting point is 00:15:44 like that on this one, but it was, I think I just have like a slight bruised rib maybe it just fucking hurts I'm glad you just fucking hurts for me to you buddy. I'm glad you didn't But yeah, let's talk about that ice bath challenge. Let's talk about let's hear your excuse So you got to go twice bro. No, no, so well, there's two reasons why I went, there's, here's why I went twice, because I went first, which is you volunteered by the way. I volunteered to go first. And which means I didn't know, you know, kind of what I was competing against. So it's very difficult, because I'm just going based off of whatever. Right. I went again, because I want to see if I could best my time, which I did.
Starting point is 00:16:22 The second time I went longer than the first time, but one thing you'll see, and if you do special, like if you really pay attention and you do study and you look at the animals of the Arctic, the ones that submerge themselves in Arctic waters, and that can stay submerged, they all have a nice layer of sea blubber, which will insulate them. Fuck you for trying to go this. Which is so nice to have from ice. Correlate here. And you don't see a lot of shredded walrus or stuff like that, right?
Starting point is 00:16:55 Because they need the insulation from the water. So, yeah, it's on the mind. It was difficult. So people have weak minds. It's because you're sobering. That's what the mind. It was difficult means, you know, some people have weak minds. It's because you're so mean. That's what it is. It was difficult.
Starting point is 00:17:07 I can't, they're not able to really be in tune with their body. Right. I actually thought and I was okay with this. I had decided it was so fucking cold that when you started saying that you wanted to go a second time to try and push, I was ready to concede and say, I don't care to win that bad to go back in that motherfucker And yet you still wanted to go and then you still lost, bro You got two times because if I got a second time
Starting point is 00:17:31 I might been able to mustered up enough to go after just a time But I was just like not having it. It's fucking hard man. It's very difficult If I went first you wouldn't even try it twice. It's probably right. Yeah, it's probably right No, I would have I would have fought for second Yeah, but uh, but you're the the the the Wim Hof breathing. It's probably right. Yeah, it's probably right. No, I would have thought for a second. But the Wim Hof breathing, it's all joking aside, that's fucking amazing, huh? Makes that big of a difference. When you first went in before all that, you did all the training.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Was it different? How did it work? Did they have you do some more? It's more, well, I think it's more like gaining access to calming, you know, your autonomic system. So for the most part, like the breathing just helps you to get in tune with, you know, feeling that right? Yeah. Because it honestly, I didn't do any of the breathing or anything in prep to going into
Starting point is 00:18:19 that. I just knew I was trying to, you know, spend some time by myself to really kind of access that again and get that calmness and to be able to relax as quickly as possible getting into that. And that way I was able to not... What I did notice with you guys is you were answering questions. You're really, really tense. And you're trying to squeeze all those answers out and I just knew that was destined to fail So well you didn't just beat us you you dusted us like it wasn't even close
Starting point is 00:18:53 Three times. Yeah, would you like six minutes or something ridiculous? That's over six minutes. Yeah, that's ridiculous Bro that hurt. I mean, I'm not gonna like at a certain point, I was able to relax through most of it, but I think it was around the last, it was like five minutes, maybe Mark. I was just like, oh shit, I'm losing. So when you got out, I was gonna ask you that, because I didn't really get to ask you that.
Starting point is 00:19:15 When you got out, part of you get out, because you're like, fuck, I don't wanna be in here anymore. No, I got like, I felt like, once you got to a certain point, I'm like, fuck, he's gonna go all day. I could have even gone longer, but what caused me to get out was really that like I didn't have, you know how your arms go to sleep?
Starting point is 00:19:31 Yeah, and so my arms went to sleep, then it felt like all the way into like my chest was starting to go to sleep. Oh, that would freak me out. So my heart's gonna go to sleep. Oh, yeah, I swear to God, I started to feel like, oh, no. Like my whole body is going limp. And I'm not getting, like I felt like I was just gonna slide in and then you guys are gonna have to pull me out. Cause like, I didn't really feel any motor control after a while.
Starting point is 00:19:55 I was like, oh shit, like my arms weren't working, my legs were getting really numb. Like everything had, like I didn't really have access to it really anymore. So I had to get out while I still had a little bit So so so many people inbox me talking shit like it's all easy and I'm and oh I used to do that and flip on my video yeah exactly Sinner fucking video and let me tell you well hold on make sure you know the dangers of it because I don't want some asshole
Starting point is 00:20:20 Bokeh stay in there for 15 minutes and next thing, you know, we got a high-pitched thermos. Well, yeah, that's what I mean. It is fucking dangerous. And there's the mental, there's that mental side of it where like I was wondering how Justin exactly that, because when he got out, his skin looked burned. He was so fucking, look like that. I was burned a little, yeah, my skin. Yeah, it looked like you were going to get frostbite on this perfect line across your chest and your arms just right above your nipples. Yeah, that's it.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Yeah, then you have to really like move, like get your core temperature up after you're done. So that's all part of the process afterwards to you to kind of come out of it. We're gonna do one in the sauna next. My bones were still killed. You'll kill me on that. Two hours later.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Two hours later, my teeth were still chattering. And I was like, dude, I think it froze my bones a little bit and they're still defrosting right now, because I'm still chattering. I did it at a good time, though, because it was so hot that day. We'd even realized that we got out, and it took all day for me to warm up. So I did, because I went first, I did pee in there a little bit, just so I want to take you guys down the podcast. I thought I tasted something salty. Familiar?
Starting point is 00:21:23 And then you got back in it again. Yeah, that's my. That's my opinion. I mean, it's not a big deal. Your brand. No, that was, that was, that was fun though. That was, that was a, that was a good time. I thought that was, and I'm hope, you know, Ben Pekolsky hit me up and asked me about the specs
Starting point is 00:21:38 and how much ice we used during the dead. So I don't know, I'm calling them out right now. So those of you guys that are listening, go over there and bombard his Instagram and talk some shit to him because he did text me and ask me all the specs like he was gonna do it. So he was one of those guys that was talking shit, like that's no big deal.
Starting point is 00:21:54 So I'm calling him out. Oh yeah, let's see it, let's see it. How did you guys feel later on the day after that? Was any effect on your sleep or anything like that? I mean, I felt amazing afterwards. It does, I mean, it was invigorating. And I've talked about that on this in the show a little bit. Like I've taken, and I don't remember, I think I got it off of
Starting point is 00:22:13 Wim Hof's Instagram or fucking his blog or something. I don't know where I got it. But, you know, he had this little thing that like, to help teach people that are like just starting to get acclimated. Because obviously if you, if you haven't trained to do this or focus on your breathing like Justin said been connected to that, you know, throwing somebody in an ice bath and saying see how long you can stay in there the first time is probably not the way you work up to this. So I was doing the shower.
Starting point is 00:22:36 I wasn't just staying in there though we had to answer questions. Yeah, that was a whole nother wrinkle. Right, right. Which I that's I think that's what some of these guys that are like, you know, were football players and they put half their body in there. Oh, I was a sitting in a nice path after football practice all day long and shit. I'm like, okay, dude. Well, Phil and I need to guess what? It was only to my waist. Yeah. I mean, right. Yeah, you got to get we were in there up to our back chest and shoulders. I was all it takes you. Yeah, all the way to your it was right up to the neck. But I used to do the Wim Hof at the end of your shower 15 seconds of cold, then 30 seconds
Starting point is 00:23:10 of cold, then 45 seconds of cold, then one minute of cold. So you do every week you progress it by 15 to 30 seconds, right? And man, I would notice a huge difference when I get out of the shower just from doing that. I mean, you're aside from just being alert, the obvious, right? It put me through cold water, of course you're gonna wake up. But you really do, I feel the spike in energy.
Starting point is 00:23:32 And it stays with you for quite some time. It's not like this shock in it, it's like, oh yeah, it's addictive, man. Yeah, and you know that we've been doing that forever, right? And after, remember when you used to be half asleep and throw, I mean, I used to do this throw cold freezing cold water on my face before I go drive and it's three o'clock in the morning or something crazy like that. I mean, it's something that, it's
Starting point is 00:23:50 just natural to do that, right? Yeah, I do that on days where I know I have to be like clear and focused and sharp for that day. Like, I'll take a really cold shower for a single morning. Right. I think it's a smart strategy. I feel mentally clear. I feel way more alert and awake. Like it's definitely, and when you go to that extreme, I feel like you see even more of that, right? Like if you take a little bit of a cold shower, I feel a little more alert, a little more awake
Starting point is 00:24:15 than I normally do if I take a warm shower. You sit in an ice path like that for fucking a couple minutes. Like, you get out. I am woke, the fuck? You're woke, I'm woke, you're woke, son. Yeah, my favorite thing to do with that is the contrast where you go from sauna then to something like that. I did that being Griefel's house, that was really cool.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Oh yeah, that's a whole other level, man. And you feel amazing afterwards. So some of your good spas will have that, right? So you've been up now to refuge, that is like that, I love that. That's my favorite thing to do too. Although I can only handle about three rounds of that. And then after about three rounds,
Starting point is 00:24:48 it starts to, like, I can feel my system's fatigue. So that, you know, that's interesting. It is interesting. I noticed the same thing. It's a good point, you know, well, think about it. If it's like any other system of the body, right? You can fatigue it. And if you over train it, like, I can tell
Starting point is 00:25:03 after about three rounds of hot cold, hot cold plunges like that, and it's definitely working my body, and my body normally tells me right about round three that, okay, Adam, no more of this, or else you're probably going to push yourself too far. I even almost feel like if I keep doing this, I could get sick because I just feel worn out. You can train this system because you can get better at it, and then think of all the other things that your body ends up becoming stronger with because you've strengthened this particular system.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Think of the carryovers. It's not that different from building your cardiovascular endurance or your strength in the sense that you notice all this carryover to other parts of your life. When you strengthen your body's ability to acclimate to heat and cold, you also get all a lot of this carryover. It's a system of the body, and it's something you can train and exercise. I'm a firm believer in it because I've experienced it myself.
Starting point is 00:25:52 To me, in my opinion, so when I think about things, we always talk about paradigm shattering things or thing, game changers for us. As far as I used to get sick all the time, all the time I used to get sick. And the two biggest things that have made the difference I feel personally for me. One was starting the hot cold training and and incorporate that because I'm pretty consistent with that.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Not a month goes by where I'm not at the refuge or I don't find a hot cold plunge type of situation where I can do that or I mean even when we are on the cruise we're just on we signed up for the sauna in there and I was doing the sauna than cold shower, sauna cold shower so I do this quite a bit. That that and then you know increasing my my veggie target so making sure that I'm getting sick and because six to eight servings is tough I've now introduced you know the green juice from Organifi and using that. So those two things have been the biggest game changer for me for like, awarding off getting sick. I swear. Yeah, that's interesting to put that together because like, thinking about all the times I actually did get sick. It's either,
Starting point is 00:27:00 I mean, obviously I've worn my body down like stress-wise. Usually it's like, it's this buildup of like, all these different days in a row, the string of days in a row, I've just been constantly, add, add, add, add. And then there was a shift in either temperature, environment, or something drastic, you know, like that, like did this to my body to where like I was trying to react to some new stimulus
Starting point is 00:27:23 and it was like, put me out. Right, yeah. There's definitely something to it. I don't know if there's necessarily any science to support it yet, but the anecdote is strong enough, right? Yeah. How many times have you heard people say going from, you know, to too much contrast, AC to heat, AC to heat, AC to heat. But when you think about it, you say there's no science, but it's if you break down the real basic stuff, I feel like it's almost obvious. Think about it. Well, what I mean by no science,
Starting point is 00:27:48 I don't know if they've done it just direct stuff. Right, yeah, no, no, I get what you're saying, but I mean, there's plenty of stuff to point that, strengthening any of your body systems is gonna have carry over to aiding and helping other ones, and weakening or not training a system is going to hinder some of the other systems. I mean, that's just a bottom one. Well, you're right. You're absolutely right that there are some things that are really
Starting point is 00:28:11 fucking obvious that we don't need science to, you don't need a specific study to define. No, like if I'm going to go to the doctor and I have an ailment and I asked the doctor, hey, does my diet affect this? And the doctor says, no, we don't have any studies to support it. Like, I know common sense says that how I eat is gonna affect anything. So no matter what ailment I have, I can probably make it, I can probably approve upon it
Starting point is 00:28:37 by adjusting. It's probably not gonna have that virus, you know, what you eat may not affect that exact virus, but the systems of your body that help fight off that virus and regenerate new cells and make other, you know what I'm saying? That does a lot to do with nutrition. So why wouldn't it aid in that?
Starting point is 00:28:52 And so to me, those types of things just are... You got the frustration I had going to the oncologist with my family member who had cancer and to, for the oncologists to say specifically, nothing you do with your diet is gonna make a difference, so don't even worry about it, eat whatever you want. I'm sitting there like, I wanna rip my hair out of my head like I can't believe,
Starting point is 00:29:15 and then you have to kind of debate, you know, with the oncologist after you leave, like, okay, I know they said this, but you can definitely help with these types of foods and it's bullshit, It's absolute bullshit. You're right, there's a lot of obvious things that we don't need studies for, and you're right, this is definitely one of them.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Well, and this is again going back to, and I know what we built and started mind pump on was that message of the supplement industry and how they promote things. And it's just like, it's not that we're saying that supplements can't be used and they're not beneficial. It's like, there's much bigger rocks to address and in my opinion is getting each one of your systems
Starting point is 00:29:51 operating correctly and optimally, if you can do little things, whether that be getting sleep, exercising properly, not pushing the body to failure all the time, eating balanced meals, if you can do some of these things, not eating in a Cork failure all the time, eating balanced meals. If you can do some of these things, not eating in a colork surplus all the time, all these things are gonna get each one of your body's systems
Starting point is 00:30:13 running more properly, which that is going to aid in your fat loss journey or muscle building journey more than almost any supplement out there. It's true, and there's also this shift in thinking in the sense that we identify systems of the body when in reality it's a system. Right. It's one. It really is. So when you go you know you have an ailment and you think oh I have an issue with my bones or with my kidneys or with my heart or with my you system. We isolate different systems of the body
Starting point is 00:30:46 and think of them as being autonomous and doing their own thing. When in reality, it's not, it's all one system. Even though I know why we divide them up because that's how we learn specifics about them but in reality it's all one system. So if you have a symptom that's being expressed in one symptom like a neurological disorder,
Starting point is 00:31:09 well, I know that optimizing all of my systems is really optimizing the one system that encompasses even this nervous system issue or whatever. So that was a big one for me, is just looking at the whole thing and saying, wait a minute, it's not one, it's not piecemeal, it's all one. If I can work on the whole thing, then it's all going to work better regardless of what's going on. And then I think when you understand that, and if you're somebody who's just here to lose
Starting point is 00:31:33 weight or build muscle, which is a large portion of people, you start to prioritize a little bit different. So instead of getting so hung up on the latest and greatest thing to do or take, it's like, what are some things that I can do already to improve one of my systems? And like I gave the examples of, you know, the sleep because that's normally one of them. It's like, dude, if sleep and stress are major things in your life right now and you're trying to lose 15 pounds, like you want even more than probably you're working out, will benefit is actually addressing the stress, addressing the lack of sleep. A hundred percent. Addressing these types of issues.
Starting point is 00:32:09 It seems counterproductive, but when you really like dive into that and you see all the benefits it provides and you are already being in this really high state, like adding another element of stress, whether it's physical stress, what is that really gonna do for your current state where you are right now?
Starting point is 00:32:26 Like if you just mend, like think about what that will do for your metabolism, all the rest of the things. Think about it this way. If you think of a human person, a human body, and everything that it encompasses everything from their mind to their, whatever, everything, right? And in you list the most important things that will determine the survival and the
Starting point is 00:32:46 Flourishment or of this particular human. What would you list? Okay, you would list sleep food shelter water Breathing like what are things that you can't do without as a human like the most important thing? Right, right, right now just optimize those and you've taken care of almost everything. Like breathing.
Starting point is 00:33:07 How long can a human go without breathing? Right. You need that, that's optimal. Do you think that optimizing how you breathe could influence your health? You better fucking believe it. In fact, it's one of the most important things because breathing, in fact, is essential. Same thing with just eating and just moving and you know, your state of mind, like these are so much more important
Starting point is 00:33:31 than all these little tiny things that we try to place importance upon. We almost dismiss all those things. We don't even think about them. But we know they're super important when you start to think of the body as a whole. So just interesting stuff. By the way, talking about the green juice, you know what I did with the green juice, because it
Starting point is 00:33:48 was so hot, is I made, so the one thing I don't like about the green juice, and it's kind of tongue and cheek, is it tastes really fucking good, so it's like you want to drink it all the time. So I made it into popsicles. I got ice cubes and I put, yeah, and I put popsicle sticks in there. And then pull them out and it's freaking hot. And it actually tastes good, huh? They're really good. Well, I mean, the drink tastes good.
Starting point is 00:34:10 I wouldn't think to make it a popsicle. Well, when it's cold, it's even better. I bet. Yeah, so I'll just show you these last couple of days. I was just doing that at a top and I'm like, all right, it's good for me. It's been, it's been, it's become a staple for me. I mean, I just, right now too, because I'm not trying to,
Starting point is 00:34:24 I was on the build and so then I was eating quite a few meals So I'm not eating that many meals right now a day and so it's even harder for me to get all my veggies And so it's pretty much just become a regular. I'm drinking that every day right now, but I enjoy it It's refreshing. It's hot. It's good taste good cool. I'm shaking up a little bit. I it doesn't take much so I'm a big fan. It's good. Bring on the organified bird This quas brought to you by organified doesn't take much so. Minty fresh. I'm a big fan. That's good. Bring on the Organifi part. This Quas brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition,
Starting point is 00:34:52 Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organify.com That's a large a N I F I dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout First up is Alex's old 99 how does one know if they're able to eat Intuitively and still reach their personal body goals. What a great question. This is a very good question You know, I like this question?
Starting point is 00:35:26 Because of all the things I've ever said on Mind Pump, easily the most misunderstood thing I've ever said is all in regards to eating intuitively. In fact, I have clients that I coach, you know, virtual clients, and they'll be like, oh, I ate intuitively yesterday, and I'll look at their nutrition to the slide. I was at a party, so I just ate intuitively. Intuitively. So they like burgers and fries.
Starting point is 00:35:56 I ate three cup paintings. And so people confuse eating intuitively with just not giving a fuck or eating whatever they want. It's not the same thing. So number one, okay, and eating intuitively, you have to understand, eating intuitively is being connected to your body, being connected to what your body will need. Can we just, can we start before you go on and explain this to you? Because I think this is another thing that people misunderstand.
Starting point is 00:36:22 This is a, there is a very, very, very, very small. In fact, it's probably right up there with what we talked about the other day on the show about how many people are actually billionaires and make $100 million in companies. This is up there, okay? This is like the one percenters, dude. There's not a lot of people that can truly,
Starting point is 00:36:38 truly intuitively eat. So I wanna put that out there as you explain this. Not right off the bat. It's, it's, it's, no, forever. It's well. No, it's not it's no different than here. Okay, eating intuitively is not as hard as being a billionaire. It's now it's not as it's common as being a billionaire right now. Yeah, fair enough. But it's not as hard. I could I could teach people to become intuitive with their diet way easier than I could ever teach people to become billionaires or build a 400 pound bench press or a 500 pound squat or anything like that. It doesn't
Starting point is 00:37:09 require those levels of genetics and stuff like that. In fact, everybody has the capability to eat intuitively. The problem is, is that in today's modern life, we are taught not just to not eat intuitively, we're taught to ignore our bodies, to the point where if I tell someone to do anything intuitively, they have no fucking idea what that means, they have zero idea. Nobody knows what real hunger feels like because we eat on a regular schedule, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and if you're in fitness, even worse, you're eating every two or three hours. If you're trying to gain weight, you ignore the signals of feeling stuffed or bloated
Starting point is 00:37:49 or I don't wanna eat this. So you end up becoming robotic about it. If you're trying to lose weight, you ignore the signals of hunger and cravings and needing variety, and I'm just gonna force feed myself this particular food or whatever. If you're, you know're just a regular person,
Starting point is 00:38:06 the only thing you eat intuitively on is your emotions. So it becomes an emotional thing. I feel like eating, this is what people say. What do you feel like eating right now? Let me think. What do I feel like eating? They're literally, that's not intuitive. What they're feeling like doing
Starting point is 00:38:22 is they're going in their emotions and thinking like, what's gonna make me feel happy? This is out right now. This is really easy. If you, okay, how does one know, if they're able to eat intuitively and still reach their personal goals, if you have to ask, it's not you.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Yeah. So that's a pretty simple one because I think of intuitive eating is like, you have trained, I think, to get yourself in shape and tracked and paid attention to all these things and connected the dots. In other words, you've been practicing,
Starting point is 00:38:53 you know, playing the game for a long time. Yes, before somebody just walks away and says, I'm not contracting. Because even then, I mean, and you're bringing up this point a lot, like as far as like how much education needs to be established before you can even think about sort of removing yourself from reading labels and understanding, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:14 what macronutrients, you know, I should balance out and, you know, about how many calories I should fluctuate, you know, throughout the week, you know, here, and, you know, what's my body composition. And there's a lot of due diligence that you really need to consider before you've been bringing up this conversation. Yes, and here's what you need to understand,
Starting point is 00:39:35 is that your body has the capability to tell you exactly what you need when you need it. It's there. The signals are actually finally tuned through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Humans knew instinctively when they needed to go lick a rock for minerals and salt. When they needed to eat, you start to plant. You see that with pica, you right? Yeah, exactly. When they needed to eat certain plants. You see that was pica, you, right? Yeah, exactly. When they needed to eat, go hunting, me, or when they could, you know, forage more, or it's all finely tuned, it's all there.
Starting point is 00:40:12 When they needed to drink water, none of them had schedules, none of them carried food with them. It was all there, but they were in touch with their bodies. So before you keep them and think about eating intuitively, you have to like erase how you've been living by becoming more in touch with these body. So before you keep them and think about eating intuitively, you have to like erase how you've been living by becoming more in touch with these things. So there's a few steps that I recommend to people to get themselves to this place. Now, number one, you have to,
Starting point is 00:40:37 you don't have to, but it's for the most part, most people have to completely eliminate all processed and highly engineered foods. This is I think you have in my opinion I think you have to have gone through an elimination diet at one point in your life before you can Otherwise, how can you have ever said that you've truly pulled these things and that's just the common thing Well, how do you know how they affect you right? Right. That's all part of the process of being aware. There's various stages that you can take towards intuitive eating, but definitely being aware of how each one of these food groups affects your body and what kind of signs and signals it provides is so paramount.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Yeah, I'm totally going to get there. You start by eliminating all these process and engineered foods. Now here's why. Now because they're not healthy for you, they definitely aren't healthy for you. But the reason why we're eliminating them to become more intuitive is because these are foods that are engineered by humans to hack your bodies,
Starting point is 00:41:40 systems and signals. They're designed to make you crave more, eat more, and to want more. They're engineered to be that way. So you can't trust your body's signals when they're being hacked by these foods. This is a fact. Okay. So there are flavors available and combinations available on the market at every store that your body did not encounter when it was evolving these signals. It's just the fact, like the sweet and the salty and the texture and the chemicals and the preservatives and the colors, all these things influence your body's signal systems of signaling and their hack, they've hacked you so much that unless you remove them, you
Starting point is 00:42:20 don't know what you're reading. You're reading something that's totally hacked. So that's number one. Number two, then you go into an elimination diet where you eliminate common food intolerances so that you can see how your body reacts to them when you start to reintroduce them.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And the reason why this is important is you wanna make associations with food aside from the emotional associations and the way they taste. Cause those are the only two associations that most people have is how they make me feel emotionally. I'm happy I'm eating this cake or whatever and it tastes good.
Starting point is 00:42:49 There are other associations that we ignore, like my digestion, my mood, my skin, you know, bloated, like all these other things. Like energy, like one sex drive. That's so many things. There's so many things. Exactly. And once you can connect those dots,
Starting point is 00:43:02 then you make those associations and before you know it, you will start to learn to appreciate those foods for different things that you normally weren't paying attention to. The third thing is, and this is for healthy individuals, learn how to fast. The reason why I'm saying you need to learn how to fast isn't because fasting is good for you, although it is. You've got to learn that signal that you used to think was your hunger signal. That's it. You gotta go without.
Starting point is 00:43:26 You gotta go without, and I'd say start with a 16 to 24 hour fast, but then when you get good at it, go for like three days of a fast because you will become much more in tune with what your body really needs when you go without for a long period of time. And then the other thing is when you're eating, slow the fuck down to every morsel. One of the most mindless things we do when we do in our lives is eat. There's almost nothing that we do that says mindless is eating. Think about it this way. When was the last time you ate at a quiet in a quiet setting without
Starting point is 00:44:04 your phone, without TV, without movies, without music, nothing. It's almost never. Nobody ever does that. If they are by themselves and they eat, they're on their phone, or they're watching TV, or they're watching a movie, and so it becomes a mindless activity to where I'm filling up the space while I'm watching this particular thing. You have to do this, and by the way, that's okay
Starting point is 00:44:25 once you become connected to your body, but right now it's not, if you're in this particular, you know, phase of trying to become more intuitive, find those times, sit down, no distractions, it's just you and your food, don't drink anything with your food so that you have to chew it, and literally pay attention to the way the food tastes, to how many times you need to chew it and literally pay attention to the way the food tastes, to how many times you need to chew it, to when you swallow it, to how you feel, and stop eating when you feel
Starting point is 00:44:54 when you're satisfied, not when you're stuffed. That's the other thing you want to pay attention to is that many of us are taught to eat to well stuff. So those steps that I just outlined right there will take you so far, but it takes a while. I'm not going to lie to you. If you're really training to the point where and you pay attention to this and you make this something that you're conscious of, like, okay, I want to become more intuitive with my eating. If you're really, really good, you might be able to do it in half a year. Most people are going to take a year or longer, no joke. It takes that long because it is such a, we have unlearned this natural system with our bodies to the point where when I get people to do this, it's like, they're figuring it
Starting point is 00:45:35 out the entire time. But once you get there, dude, it doesn't end, at least in my opinion. I mean, I'm still piecing little things together about, about myself. I mean, even to the point, little things together about stuff, about myself. I mean, even to the point. Yeah, I don't think there's a goal. I don't think it's like a bullet. We were just talking about the hot and cold showers
Starting point is 00:45:52 and the green juice. Like, these are things that are still unfolding and revealing themselves to me now. Like, wow, it's been, and I've needed, what you need is you need enough data, right? You need enough consistency to be able to say for sure that, oh, wow, when I, when I eat all my veggies consistently for long periods of time, I do stay much healthier. And then, wow, when I do miss that for a long periods of time, I do tend to get more
Starting point is 00:46:20 sick. And that needs to happen to me not once, not twice, but that's happened now enough times where it's like, okay, now I can draw the conclusion that that's what it is. So it takes time to do all. Totally. And by the way, this should be your goal and you can have this goal of becoming more intuitive and learning to read, first of all, learning to read your body signals and then learning
Starting point is 00:46:41 to eat according to them while you're following your goal of trying to lose weight or gain weight. So it's not one or the other. You can track, you can have macro targets and calorie targets and say, okay, I want to lose weight. So this is what I need to eat. This is what my coach is trying to do. And at the same time, learn how to read your body signals and learn how to eat more intuitively. In fact, it's probably more effective to start that way anyway.
Starting point is 00:47:05 We always recommend people start out by tracking. Mike Klein, Andrew, who was in here with, I'm working with Andrew right now. He came in here when we did the trainer episode. He's at a point now, he's like tripping out. He's like, dude, I walk around with a six pack like all the time, and I'm not even trying. He's like, I used to have to work so hard to get lean
Starting point is 00:47:24 and then I get out of it. And he goes, now I just kind of maintain this and he's like, and I'm not even trying. He's like, I used to have to work so hard to get lean and then I get out of it. And he goes, now I just kind of maintain this. And he's like, it feels almost effortless. Now I've been working with this guy for months and months. And he's also a personal trainer. So he accelerate a lot faster than most people would. But it's really a trip. So it should be your goal because if you want this
Starting point is 00:47:40 to be a lifelong thing where you're fit and healthy and you also don't want to have to stress about it all the time because let me tell you, if you're exercise and diet become as added stress on your life, it's not going to last very long. It's going to become a short-lived thing and it might actually take away from your quality of life. I know we've spent a lot of time on this already but I do think it's important to note this, that this person has a personal body goal right now too. And that's really tough if you have like extreme goals or let's say I want to lose 30 pounds of body fat or I want to build a bunch of muscle.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Like you need to be pretty comfortable with your physique kind of where it is and that like that's a part of the reason why too I think it works so well for Salis. the reason why too, I think it works so well for Salis. He is, he's broken through those old insecurities from what he had when he was younger to that. He's very comfortable in his skin, he's very comfortable as a physique. Sure, there's times when he wants to be a little bit leaner than others, so he makes a little effort towards being more disciplined or restricting
Starting point is 00:48:37 or kicking up his activity level or whatever, but for the most part, as always intuitive. A lot of that comes with him not having these huge body goals. I guarantee if you were to ask him, hey, Sal, you know, get up to 240, I guarantee he would probably want to be able to track in order to do that because that's just a major goal to trying to achieve that without really putting the numbers in the same thing would go for somebody who has a major physique goal where they're trying to change quite a bit. Yeah, when you're extreme, it's a little different, but like I said, if you have body goals,
Starting point is 00:49:07 you can do it at the same time. You can kind of become more intuitive, while tracking, while adding things up, while, and if anything, as you become more intuitive with your tracking, even if your goals are extreme, they will help you in the direction to become more efficient and effective with what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:49:24 So even though you may be doing things, like Adam said, if you wanna be a 240 pound, It will help you in the direction to become more efficient and effective with what you're doing. So even though you may be doing things, like Adam said, if you want to be a 240 pound, you know, monster in the gym or get super shredded beyond what you may be optimal health, if you're intuitive about it, you'll be able to navigate through it and make better decisions along the way anyway. So it's not something you have to put on the back burner. It's something I think you can do no matter what, but working towards it. Absolutely.
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Starting point is 00:50:15 Next up is NIH 32. If you were a head coach for a football team, how would you run your team? Would you be physically demanding in risk injuries or would you take a different approach? Can you tell which one just a bit? Go ahead and start it stuff, Andy. Let's see. Yeah, I just think about this because of the way that I went through the entire experience and all the different levels. I only made it to the college level, but there was definitely a distinctive difference with the mentality, especially with the head coach position where they want to establish this
Starting point is 00:50:52 mental discipline. I see this a lot on the younger level where just trying to herd the, and get them all to really buy into the team dynamic and getting everybody to sort of put their best effort out there on the field. They tend to abuse that and then they ramp up the intensity way too much. And you know, this is always something for me going back and reevaluating, you know, kind of how I went through the process. Like I totally would go back and tweak and modify things to where, you know, kids got the most benefit out of it also saw the best results.
Starting point is 00:51:32 So it's, it's a very, very much, you're setting themself, you're setting all these potential athletes up for problems. They're going to, they're going to They're gonna hit as a mature and they get further along in the process. So for me, it's always about starting off on the right foot. And to be able to establish the way that you should properly train with recovery
Starting point is 00:51:59 as an added element to be considered is paramount. It's something that's crucial for kids to understand that I'm gonna put this amount of effort in place in this situation, and then I'm gonna build off of that. And how can I build off of that by frequency volume? I mean, this applies to skills, this applies to developing strength, developing power.
Starting point is 00:52:24 They all fit in the same formula so For for you know this to be an argument whether or not you know, they should they should just blast their their athletes to the Ant degree to me silly it's it's it's it's dinosaurs an old It's not he I mean some people evolve from that though, right when you agree I mean I don't think they are all still fucking, there's a lot of, there's a lot of that still. There's probably that lower ranks, right?
Starting point is 00:52:49 Yeah, there's a lot of that still. And, and you know, it's gotten better, the education's gotten better, but I think that, and I can understand this is from a coaching perspective, like you want to, you want, you, you want to establish mental discipline. So endurance is always one of those things that is overly exaggerated, like, or it's overly emphasized, I should say, that shouldn't be the utmost goal. Like you can, you can achieve, you know, that, that type of an endurance, like within the game, in less time than I think that coaches realize.
Starting point is 00:53:24 It's way, I tell, I tell pillars all the time, we can move, we can move our VO2 max daily. And you, cardio vascular adaptation is like takes two weeks, so it doesn't take very long. Obviously, those are all arbitrary numbers, but I mean, it does not take nowhere near as long in comparison like your other adaptations like with muscular adaptations. It takes a lot of time. Something goes fast, right? Yeah, you can manipulate, yeah, you can manipulate cardio really quick. So I think it, I, you know, I would answer this the same way, Justin.
Starting point is 00:53:52 I think it's, we, we kind of crack on sports teams all the time that actually are reaching for CrossFit as their tool to get their athletes in shape. Yeah, you see a lot now. Yeah, so the ones that are doing that, I think that's silly. Like Justin's saying, you would phase your coaching out. I wrote the question, I was reading it like, what kind of head coach would I be?
Starting point is 00:54:14 And I was thinking on my head, like all the different types of coaches out there, like who am I more like? And I think an example, if you've seen, as we stand tall or as we stood tall, that movie with, it's the movie about The dayless owl team That first intro to that movie. I think the first five minutes is totally my style of
Starting point is 00:54:36 Leadership and how I would probably coach a football team I get chills I watched that the first five minutes of that show like so many times because I think it's such a powerful Way of leadership. Yeah. And it especially like with young football players. Yeah, there's definitely a simplified method that I think that they struck a chord with because when you're dealing with youth
Starting point is 00:54:58 and then even like high school level and then kind of getting into college, like the more simple and the more structure of like really fine tuning the skill to make like only like four or five plays, we just master those four or five plays. So this is like for kids that are developing, this is, I think this is the way to go as a coach
Starting point is 00:55:24 to really just like really sharpen what it takes to make that run the most efficiently. And then we build off of that. So we build off of that the next level. So now you got your open to more responsibilities, your open to more communication, you know, from other positions on the field. But like for now, let's, let's keep these kids really focused on what can improve their one very skilled position.
Starting point is 00:55:51 What's the quote by Bruce Lee? I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. Right, mastering the fundamentals. So here's the thing, what's the ultimate if we're gonna be honest, right? What's the ultimate goal? For a coach is to win. Okay, that's it like the that's the ultimate goal is to be a winning coach with a winning team The one thing that can prevent a team from winning more than all the others is injury
Starting point is 00:56:22 from winning more than all the others is injury. Injury will fuck up a team more than anything else. More than, I mean, if you have your players or all hurt, you're fucked. I don't care how good your program is. I don't care how good you're whatever. Everybody's hurt, you're fucked. So step number one is keep your players from getting hurt. And then number two is improving the performance.
Starting point is 00:56:40 It's literally in that order. In fact, when I've trained young athletes, if we're in the off season, that's when I push them. When we're in season, that's when I step back and I'm like, okay, in season, my job is to keep you from getting hurt and once I identify it, imbalances, I correct them. Oh, this is a little tweak.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Let me fix that and your back hurts a little bit. Let me help you there. That's pretty much it. So there is no trade off. Like I think I think this question kind of implies like you push harder, but then risk injury, but then you get better performance or you push less hard, then you don't get injured, but you get less performance. You're lazy players. Not true. Yeah. The most performance you'll get out of it. If anybody let alone a team is by the
Starting point is 00:57:21 appropriate approach, which is the one that doesn't injure him in that. It's just like what we talk about with training the body. It is training the body. It's no different. It's just a different adaptation. We're talking about football, but it's no different than how we speak about building muscle or burning fat. You want to do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. You're just flirting with that line a little bit more when you're talking about athletes like this because you're trying to squeeze some endurance out of them They but it's exactly the same thing you still want to Approach their training very strategic and the way you coach them the same way
Starting point is 00:57:54 So it would be that's why I went just to answer that way I'm like it's we're all gonna answer the same way because it's the same way we treat a client who comes in and wants to lose Honor pounds you wouldn't you wouldn't scream at them and sure you could yell at them like biggest loser style and get hurt a lose the most weight in one week, but you know you'd be fucking in the long term. Well, yeah, and this is why I mean, from the athlete perspective, like me going to the process, it was like they tried so hard to develop heart. Like who has more heart, right? Who has that mental drive? Who has that discipline to do things when you're in that mental drive, who is that discipline to do things when you're in adversity. You know, and when you're in these sort of positions where you have to overcome, and like football is like one of the ultimate displays of how to overcome adversity real time.
Starting point is 00:58:37 And you know, besides like combat sports and those types of things where it's like, you know, you have these immediate things that, you know, you have to, you have to like figure out like it and problem solve like on the fly. And I think that, I mean, it's a critical part of the game. And it's definitely something that needs to be considered. However, like you said, like a lot of that needs to be expressed in the off season. And now, like, it has to be more of a mental focus, like, unless of a physical demand going into the actual performance of the game. And so we're trying to preserve the body, but we're trying to challenge the mind.
Starting point is 00:59:13 We're trying to sharpen our ability to problem solve and do all that. And you can do that without just grinding them into the ground. Again, that's going back to the analogy, gay, with training the client who needs to lose 300 hundred pounds. Like, you want to push that, you want to push them towards their goals. Yeah. But you want to do it in a very methodical way. It's not just, I mean, I absolutely, which is how a shitty trainer would take over that.
Starting point is 00:59:36 A shitty trainer handles a client the same way a shitty coach handles a team. Like, I mean, it's the same, it's the same. It's very reflective. Right. It's like, Oh, I could just, I could just have these kids show up to double days and run them till they all throw up and then push them till you know I'm saying you just keep adding time and pushing them more it's like yeah okay well any but a monkey can do that you know they don't need a coach for that yeah they don't need a coach for that what
Starting point is 01:00:00 what they need though what a really good coach lazy yeah right would be would be them mentally, challenge them on their responsibilities, ask them questions, you know, if this then what? Right. You know, like really get them sharp on their answers and their critical thinking and you'll do well.
Starting point is 01:00:16 Next up is that CH-Man 19. Our plyometric exercises more beneficial than isometrics, which is better for sports, power lifting, and weekend warriors. Good question. So, they're both different. They both give different benefits, but I guess the question is, you know, if you had to pick type of deal, I'll tell you what I'll tell you something right now.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Isometrics has way more applications than plyometric. A lot more carry on. Way more isometrics. Way more isometrics will affect so many different facets of your performance and your physique. Plyometrics will affect a few or less, I should say, than isometrics. Isometrics are also safer and can be performed with varying degrees of intensity. Pliometrics can be applied with one degree of intensity. It's all out explosive, type of deal. Isometrics, it's funny to me because they're so, especially today, although you will see,
Starting point is 01:01:15 it's starting to become a trend. Isometrics are super underutilized and they just don't get nearly as much credit as they deserve. There's very little individual techniques that I can think of that will give you more bang for your buck than proper isometric training degrees of strength increase on both sides. And people think of isometrics is like one, you know, like, oh isometrics, I'm just going to squeeze my pecs. Now, each range of motion, you can perform an isometric. You can, if I'm throwing a baseball,
Starting point is 01:01:52 I can simulate isometrics in every piece of that throw with a tool like a stick or a wall or something like that. Bench press, deadlift, throwing, jumping, all these things. Isometrics gives you stability. Pliometrics does not give you stability. In fact, if you lack stability, you don't do plyometrics. Just in your saying it's a 15 increase both ways. Both eccentric and eccentric is that what the 15% is?
Starting point is 01:02:17 No, angular. So angular. Yeah, so if I do isometric here, then I'm gonna get strength from 15 to 15 and both are different. Oh, gosh, yeah gonna get strength from 15 to 15 and 15 and 15 different. Oh, gosh, yeah. So specific. It's regenerally specific. I mean, it's pretty angular. Yeah, specific. Oh, I get what you're saying. But yeah, it'll sort of irradiate and carry over into, yeah, those varying
Starting point is 01:02:36 degrees, 15 degrees both ways. Yeah, definitely. But yeah, I mean, like, plyometrics definitely have their place. So it's not like, you know, like in any case, like, I think what they're also asking is like, so the weekend warrior versus like the athlete versus the power lifter, you know, that kind of thing, like what has the most application. So, you know, your weekend warrior, I would steer more towards actually the isometrics
Starting point is 01:03:00 as being like, we're marketed mostly like P90X and we're marketed all these types of like super intensive types of training when we're doing body weight, but it's mainly plyometrics being the focus. But they're not real plyometrics. They're the way they do them on those programs. Just to make you feel adjusted. I was gonna say plios for my sports,
Starting point is 01:03:22 isometrics for my powerlifting and weaken warriors. If I had to divide them and do that, right? Like who would I, because you could argue either way, and anybody who's saying hearing us to talk all great about isometrics, for sure, and get mad if you're training for sports and we neglect saying plios metrics, because you're going to be able to argue the carryover, not just from the explosiveness central nervous system training, but also the cardiovascular endurance that you're going to get from the argue the carryover, not just from the explosiveness, central nervous system training, but also the cardiovascular endurance that you're going to get from the plyometrics
Starting point is 01:03:47 that you won't get from isometrics. So the carryover to that for the sports, I could see someone debating that. So to me, isometric winds all the way across, except for in the sports network. Well, with plyo though, are you really working your cardio? Because that's more central nervous system in the sports.
Starting point is 01:04:04 It's more central nervous system, Yeah, it's more central nervous system But you can you can apply it in ways that can be can include cardiovascular maybe maybe I mean you know that here's a thing Here's here's more so than isometric for sure. Yeah, it depends because I can go I can I can definitely build Strength endurance which will carry over to little cardio, but here's the thing I think about what you think about which one's more apical to like sports where you're moving multi-planes. Well, that's what I was gonna say. Like how many, it's a very small category of people
Starting point is 01:04:32 that I would even apply plyometrics to. Like most people, how many groups of people would you even have them try a plyo? You know what I'm saying? Only athletes. That's it, right? And only ones that are pretty well trained. So that's why I say the plyometrics definitely not apply to the weekend warriors of the power lifters.
Starting point is 01:04:48 Isometrics, 100% applies to those two. And you could debate plyo and iso for sports, right? Because that's why I felt like you have to throw plyos in there for the sports person, saying that that's better potentially for that, although isometrics absolutely have their place arguably in there too, and a very close second. But for weak and warriors, like I definitely think weak and warriors don't even need to include pilot. The benefits that pliometrics give, which I know everyone's seen all the studies
Starting point is 01:05:20 and the marketing bullshit that you've all read, it's for a weak and warrior. There's a lot of other things that I'd rather have you focus on that I think, and talking about isometrics, I can have you do isometric holds that are going to work on your posture that is going to give you way more carryover,
Starting point is 01:05:36 change your life for the better, way more that teach you an explosive box jump, you know. Big time with that, and because what you're doing with plyometrics, if you already have, which by the way, the recruitment patterns, like if I'm basically the highest form of expression of my body, like I'm doing now by doing a plyometric,
Starting point is 01:05:58 but I'm doing it with poor recruitment patterns. So I'm basically heightening my poor recruitment pattern to the nth degree versus like if I could just slow down and focus on, you know, compartmentalizing each part of the movement with isometrics, you know, I'm going to be able to see discrepancies there a lot more distinctively to work on and I can work on that versus like, I'm just gonna throw my body into the movement with shitty form with my metrics. The beauty of isometrics is you can apply it to anybody. I mean, when I say anybody, I literally mean
Starting point is 01:06:36 from the extreme, extreme, extreme beginner, the injured person, the person with compromised movement, in fact, I would probably start with isometrics all the way to the most advanced athlete. Could I apply isometrics? It can apply to everybody. You know, it's so moldable. Just playoffs are not. Justin talking about the plyometrics and that it makes me want to climb up on my soap box for a minute because this is one of the things that used to drive me fucking crazy about the fitness industry and a lot, a lot of at home programs have taken this and have definitely gifted wrapped it in fucking
Starting point is 01:07:16 hundred different ways and sell the shit out of it. And pile of metrics really, I'll tell you right now, don't really have a lot of place other than training some athletes. If you're not training an athlete, and they have really marketed hard towards weight loss. You know who I see do plyometrics? I never, I rarely ever see an actual athlete doing plyometrics.
Starting point is 01:07:36 The person I normally see in the gym doing plyometrics is the really overweight person that is trying to lose body fat because they've been someone's fucking put a study up or showed something that shows how much more fat you burn when you do plyometrics and so now you've got all these people jumping on boxes and doing explosive movements that have poor recruitment patterns that have terrible proprioception that have no business doing those movements
Starting point is 01:08:02 but are doing it because they read somewhere or saw something or got marketed to this way. I don't think I've ever, in a gym. I don't think I've ever seen anybody do a play-o properly. I swear to God, like maybe once or twice, but I almost never do I see someone do a play. The way people do play-o-metrics is they do them to get tired, to do them cross-wits. You know, they'll jump, jump, jump, jump,
Starting point is 01:08:23 and in between sets, and I'm gonna do this other exercise right afterwards, and it's to get really tired. You don't cross with someone. You know, they'll jump, jump, jump, jump, and in between sets, and I'm going to do this other exercise right afterwards. And it's to get really tired. A play-o is similar to think of it as you're just practicing to explode. You should not feel tired and fatigued. You shouldn't feel like your legs are going to fall off. By the time it gets to that point, you're not, you're no longer getting benefit from the play-o. It's literally, you should feel strong and fresh with every rep. And then when you start to feel fatigued, it's time to move on and do something else because now that you have fatigued, you're losing any potential benefit you can get from the play. And that's, that's really the truth. I think most people should stay away from play on metrics unless you're super, you're pretty advanced,
Starting point is 01:09:02 you're an athlete, like Adam said. Isometrics, everybody. Or if you have specific goals, right? So maybe you're not an athlete completely, but then for some reason you really want to increase your vertical. And so you're working on that, or you really want to increase your specific. Yeah, yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:09:18 If you have goals or you're an athlete, other than that, it don't belong to you. Well, let me ask you guys this question. I don't even know if the study would exist, but I'd love to see it. Let's say you took a bunch of everyday regular basketball players and you divided them half. And one half, you had them do playoffs.
Starting point is 01:09:36 I don't know, you're going, or one squatting barbells. And the other one just do squats. Yeah, the guy who doing squats is going to see you do more. They're going to get more vertical. Well, now let's take it as that's such great, well, that I'm an example of this and many kids I'm sure that did this made the same mistake I did was I grew up in the era of the jumpshoes. Strength shoes.
Starting point is 01:09:55 Strength shoes were came in during my time in high school playing sports and absolutely we all bought them, we all had them, we all fucking training them, we all had these big platforms and basically your heel was suspended off of the ground Just so people know and San Jose state actually I saw this years I was ruptured to kill me San Jose state did an actual finally did a study right so the funny part is these shoes were around for many years And they were a bunch of bullshit and tons of people I mean somebody made millions of dollars and tons of people have tried them and used them. And there's no real direct studies on them and there is now, I know there's probably plenty now and I remember going to San Jose State maybe about, I don't know, 10 years ago and in their Kines department reading a study, the professor there actually did a study on those
Starting point is 01:10:40 shoes and compared it to squats. So like you're saying, so basically, plyometrics comparing them to squats. And yeah, the squats absolutely destroyed. Yeah, jumping around on. And so I'd like to take it, I'd like to take it a step further and have one group do plios and one group just do proper full range of motion. When I say full range of motion, I mean isometrics from different ranges of motion,
Starting point is 01:11:02 isometrics, I would venture to say the isometrics would perform a little bit better. No joke, playoffs are really good in combination with other shit by themselves. There should be studies on all this. There should be, and I would really love to promote that because I mean, that's how my brain works. I'm like, if I could hyper connect
Starting point is 01:11:22 to different angles of this movement, like really what it is, is you're accessing and you're telling your body, I need to produce this amount of force right now as quickly as possible. What's the first operating system with that? Tension. Tension. And it's also neurological. So you need to be able to provide that stimulus. And that's not coming just from, you know, obviously you have to have access
Starting point is 01:11:51 to the strength of it, but it really, I mean, you're commanding that. And so you have to be that connected to your central, nothing else I know that off the top of my head, other than isometrics, does that. Right. Good point. Quick commercial break, hey, people ask us all the time how they can support Mind Pump.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Here's what you can do. You can go to www.brain.fm-mindpump and get 20% off brain FM for meditation or focus. You can also go to audible-trial.com-mindpump and get a 30- day trial plus one free audio book. Lastly, you can go to goodgetnatureblend.com forward slash mine pump and you will get a discount on Ben Greenfield CBD product. Trevor Lucy, is there any friction between you guys because of your different lifestyles and personalities? No, fuck these guys, not at all. I don't think I don't we and we've talked about this before. I mean we
Starting point is 01:12:48 argue in debates. Oh, absolutely. Well, yeah, but it's usually me and you Adam. Is there friction? No, no, it's not friction. Have you ever left work upset and mad at me? Have I ever left? No, I've left thinking like fucking asshole. I was from his ass. No, no, you know, it's funny. Who did I ask the other day? Taylor, because I don't remember what we were talking about. I mean, you were getting a big old debate the first time he'd seen that. Yeah, we were getting a big old discussion debate over something and...
Starting point is 01:13:15 You got an awkward and left. Well, so here's a thing like... I know how these things work. Here's a thing, and Justin... I've been an observer. Yeah. Both me and Adam were very passionate, loud and expressive communicators.
Starting point is 01:13:31 So when we both have a point that we want to make and they're different, or maybe we have a differing of opinions, it gets louder and more passionate and it becomes a very good, and we're both very good at expressing our position. And so it just goes back and forth, and it used to make people uncomfortable around us, but I think now everybody gets used to it.
Starting point is 01:13:51 And they know that. That's not a problem. You know what, and their defense for the people that have got to be around it for the first time or whatever, it is, let me tell you, I have worked with a lot of people in my life, for sure, probably the only person I've ever been able to do that with, to push it to that level and it still be very healthy.
Starting point is 01:14:14 There's not a lot of people that still have, because I believe that even in it, we still have the awareness of knowing. Still listening to the other point of view. Right. Exactly. It's not about winning the argument really. I am actually, that's a good point, Jessica, because normally when I advise people and helping people with communication with each other, right?
Starting point is 01:14:37 Rule number one is to not raise your voice and not argue and not fight because that instantly shuts the other person off and they're no longer listening and they're just debating. But when we actually get into these things, I'm actually listening very carefully of what he's saying, because I want to hear, like I want to hear what he's so passionate about. I know that if he's saying something and he feels that passionate about it,
Starting point is 01:14:58 he wouldn't do that. Like you wouldn't fight, neither one of us would fight the other one unless we really do feel strongly about something. And so, and I also, and so here comes the important piece is I have so much respect for you that I know that I respect your opinion, I respect your intelligence. And so if you feel that passionate about it, I better listen to it. And even if you're, you're wrong or I write, doesn't matter who's wrong or right, it's about getting to the best answer. And sometimes that's normally,
Starting point is 01:15:27 or not most times this is what happens is, maybe we both go back and forth and maybe we even leave which has happened before, we leave it like, I don't know, I don't agree with you, I don't agree with you. And then all of a sudden a compromise happens where it's like a blend of what we both were kind of saying. Like you know what, I agree agree or or someone goes like all right
Starting point is 01:15:45 Well, let's run this way. Let's try this and then like let's visit it revisit it and see and then we'll try it your way Yeah, you're when you're when you're with someone when you're with a team and you're working together because we're on the same fucking team Like we'll all have the same goal. Yeah, so it you're ego does definitely the ego never likes to be wrong Okay, it simply does never likes to be wrong, okay? It simply does not like to be wrong. So if I'm having a discussion or a debate with a teammate and I think the website should be blue and I really fucking believe that blue is the color
Starting point is 01:16:15 and they say that should be red and they're super passionate about it being red, my ego really doesn't want to be fucking wrong. Even if I, and while we're arguing, the other person makes a great point and shows me all this fucking evidence, and I'm like, holy shit, they might be right. My ego still doesn't want to be wrong,
Starting point is 01:16:33 so I may still try to hold on to my guns, and so one of the most important things that I think we all do that's really good, and I think part of it's with our age and experience, and part of it is we're just all growth-minded, is that I've done this to myself, where I've been an argument or a debate, and I've stopped myself halfway through
Starting point is 01:16:50 and realized this is my ego now is starting to speak up a little bit. So I'm gonna take a step back because at the end of the day, I don't give a fuck about my ego. I really don't care how good my ego feels. I want the best answer. I think you're right.
Starting point is 01:17:03 I think honestly, a lot of it is years in wisdom and understanding what you're speaking upon if it's upon your own ego, or if it's upon what's really benefiting the group. And I think that we're able to decipher that sort of coming into the conversation. And a lot of the heated sort of squabbles, it's coming from, usually it's coming from two really attractive options.
Starting point is 01:17:32 These two options could definitely exist, but one came from somebody's mind, one came from another, and now we're meeting somewhere where it's like, no, but this is really how I see it. And the passion comes from trying to describe and be heard because I think a lot of times what we're doing is, you know, we're so passionate in like myopic in the way that we think about it,
Starting point is 01:17:55 that you know, like it's hard to get challenged, mean like mid thought, right? And so, and I think that's why it escalates. It escalates a little bit with like the tone gets louder. The other tone gets louder. But then it all sort of like, and I think for my my role in that is really as the observer is to, you know, decipher both points, but also like interject one word in there and then you both think about it. And then that's like the seed that that turns into what it really was supposed to be.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Well, I think here's one thing that's really cool, is that I've never worked with a team where everybody knows when, as individuals, each of us know when it's time to lead, and the rest of us know when it's time to follow, and it's happened with all of us. Totally. I've never been in a situation like that.
Starting point is 01:18:45 Every situation, usually what I've been in is I've either early on in my career was following and then much, for most of my career, I was leading and that was it. And what I'm learning from this is effective leadership is actually knowing when to follow as well. Even if you are just the leader, even if you are the boss,
Starting point is 01:19:02 is knowing when you have that teammate or that employee even who's working for you, who you're just like, hey man, you lead. I'm going to do what you tell me because this is your wheelhouse or whatever. And we're all pretty good at that. It's almost like, you know, the word says, the question says friction. I haven't felt any friction with that. There's definitely been moments where I felt like I was leading, but nobody was like irritated about it or weird about it
Starting point is 01:19:32 and then there's moments where I was taking a back seat and I'm following and I'm fucking happy doing that because I know that this particular, whoever's leading at this moment, that's the person that should be leading at this moment. It's a very interesting, never been on a team like that before. So it's a pretty cool, pretty cool situation.
Starting point is 01:19:46 Well, it also, it's talking about our lifestyles and personalities. So I'm trying to think of lifestyle stuff and personality, maybe the things that we're into. So none of this is 100% nothing's cause friction, but I can share with the audience, some things that are like definite lifestyle things that are in personalities that are unique and funny and different like you know for sure
Starting point is 01:20:10 Sal is very routine about like his he likes his his gym time and his morning routine and he if he likes that and if our scheduling gets in the way that I know it throws him off and he doesn't like that so that's him that's him and poor I don't I've learned not to fuck with that you know I'm saying it's like okay like he's got's got it. He's got it. He's got to get his workout in early in the morning. And you know, if if what we're doing can wait later or do different times, then so be it where I'm not like that. I'm bad about that. Like I'm very inconsistent about what time I do it. And it's not as much of a priority. And that's important to him, and I know that. So I've learned to be okay with things like that.
Starting point is 01:20:49 That's a different personality trait. Justin, you know, one of the things that's different about his personality that I've learned over years too is like, if he's fucked up or there's something he needs to work on, there's something that he's struggling with You got to let him work it out in his own head first. I can't come over and try and be daddy or Tamp pry you can't be from right or pry from Yeah, like if you if you want to share with you or if you want your opinion or help you'll ask it, you know, I'm saying so You know, I've learned to be mindful of those times when I can see that he's kind of going through that
Starting point is 01:21:27 What what what I mean so accurate about about Justin the toilet you cannot prive you know We are pretty different and certain thing Adam definitely so here's something I've I've grown from working with Adam Adam is I've grown from working with Adam. Adam is, he's very straightforward. And what I mean by that is we're all very straightforward. All of us are very honest and straightforward. But there's a certain amount of,
Starting point is 01:21:57 you know, when you're talking to people, there's a certain amount, I don't know, the word might be cooth, maybe that's the wrong word, where you're like, okay, I don't wanna be, I'm not gonna be offensive, so I'm gonna say it in this particular way. Whereas Adam just says it. If you don't have, if you're not strong and confident in yourself and what you're doing or if you don't know Adam, you might just think he's just being mean to me.
Starting point is 01:22:18 But then you realize like, no, that's how he's talking to everybody. It's just, that's just Adam and he's being very straightforward. Don't take it personal. This is how, and he'll take it. Like he's not one to dish it out and not take it. You can give it right back to him. And it's all good. And that's something that's different. Then I guess, I tend to word my way.
Starting point is 01:22:39 My words a little differently sometimes. So that may be a little different. What else? Do you remember scenarios do you remember scenarios with each one of us, like I'm trying to think, the first time that I got that signal from Justin, like can you think of time, or like do you talk about that where I feel
Starting point is 01:22:51 it's too direct to somebody? Have I been really direct to somebody? Oh, no, you're just, you know, at first I remember thinking like, it was really early on, and it wasn't like I said, I respected you, so it wasn't a big deal, but I remember thinking like, fuck fuck isn't a bad mood.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Is it a bad mood like what's going on here? And then after and then after a few weeks I was like no that's just sometimes he talks that way but it's not he's not mean it's not really mean spirited it's just just very direct and it's all good and to be honest with you in business especially it cuts the superfluous bullshit anyway. Like we don't need all that other stuff. Which is, if you can't pass it, you appreciate it. Yeah, you just know, you know exactly what you're gonna get
Starting point is 01:23:32 as an answer. Absolutely, yeah, that's fun. Doug is extremely easy to work with, I think for anybody. I don't care who you are, anybody can work with Doug because he's a he's a super hard a million super hard worker come you in and just very
Starting point is 01:23:50 aware of how he might be affecting and his lifestyle and personality he again go into the chameleon thing is that I mean he's definitely molded those things around us like he's allowed us the freedom to you know I probably ays him that I smoke pot in the in the studio sometimes. But, you know, he's like, whatever, if that's this thing. And I don't know. He's learned to adapt. Right. I don't abuse it either because I'm sure he doesn't enjoy it or like it and some of that.
Starting point is 01:24:14 But it's, you know, it's, I think that those are the type of things where he has allows a lot of flexibility with stuff like that that may not be his style or his personality or lifestyle. So, um, he is is probably for sure the easiest. No, I think as long as we, you know, because whenever you look at teams that succeed together, the thing that tends to get in the way later on is when Egos get really big
Starting point is 01:24:40 and then you get a, you know, people argue over who's doing, who came up with what and who said this and I'm that and you're that. And that is a, that is a problem that I think any team will have including ours, however, I'm so confident with us dealing with that particular issue because we all kind of check ourselves and check each other so well.
Starting point is 01:25:04 And I honestly don't see any one individual getting to that point to where the other team can't, the other people of the team can't help that person ring that in because mine pumps a lot bigger than it was when we first started and hopefully it gets much bigger than that. And I could see us all just making sure we check each other and remembering the purpose of why we're doing what we do. And I don't see this ending anytime in the future as a result. Yeah, I don't ever see friction from it either because I think the way we all get stronger.
Starting point is 01:25:34 All those things that we even just talked about about each other, I think we all have viewed them as growth opportunities for ourselves. So I think that never is a friction. If there's some of a disagreement, there's arguing, there's anything like where we don't see eye, everyone has the, you know, awareness to look at it like, oh, there's an opportunity for growth. Me here, I could learn something more about either how this person does this or about that person. So I don't ever see friction. Excellent. With that, check us out on YouTube, MindPumpTV. In fact, we've actually done some videos on plyometric training.
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