Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 624: Succeeding in Bodybuilding in Spite of Poor Genetics, Barbell & Kettlebell Complexes for MAPS, the Corporatization of Mind Pump & MORE

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about programming barbell or kettlebell complexes into a MAPS program, missing the days of recording raw episodes in Doug’s living room, the five people who have helped mold them into the person they are today and if one can outsmart their body’s metabolism, structure, etc with enough effort to be successful at bodybuilding in spite of poor genetics. Adam’s “Organifi” cookies (4:01) Justin’s nut butter from Thrive Market (8:35) Recap of the Train the Trainer event (9:06) Weekend update (18:10) Quah question #1 – Would you ever program kettle bell/barbell complexes to a MAPS program? (30:38) Thrive Market love (38:45) Quah question #2 – Do you guys feel you have lost your rough edges? Do you miss the days recording in Doug’s house? (42:00) Quah question #3 – It is said you are the average of the 5 people you surround yourself with. Who are the 5 people who have helped mold you into the person you are today? (50:03) You cannot pour from an empty cup Quah question #4 – Do you believe some people no matter how hard they work, will not be successful at bodybuilding? Can you outsmart your body’s metabolism, structure, etc. with enough effort to be successful at bodybuilding in spite of poor genetics? (1:02:50) Become the best version of yourself Related Links/Products Mentioned: Organifi (Official Mind Pump Sponsor) Coupon Code "mindpump" for 20% off Thrive Market (Mind Pump sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Adam Keto Cookie (recipe) (1.5 oz) Sugar-free cocoa powder (2 oz) Truvia (2 oz) Unsalted butter softened at room temperature (2 oz) Cream cheese 2 Large eggs (1 tsp) Sugar-free vanilla extract (1 scoop) Organifi green juice (1 scoop) Organifi vanilla protein Optional: ¼ Chocolate chips, ¼ walnuts chopped Preheat oven to 375F Mix cream cheese with truvia and blend until smooth Lightly beat the eggs and mix with the softened butter and vanilla extract Add the egg mixture to cream cheese and mix well until no lumps Gently fold in cocoa powder Line a baking tray with baking paper Spoon out mixture into round mounds – they will flatten in the oven Bake for 10-15 minutes Let cool completely, will get more crispy when cool Enjoy!! Mind Pump ahoy! Keto cacao nib cashew cookies (paleo / vegan) – Recipe MAPS Performance The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership: Follow Them and People Will Follow You – John C. 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, me, Adam and Justin, for about 28 minutes, have some fun conversation. It's always fun. Adam mentions our sponsor, Organify. He talks about these cookies he made. Uh, he ate them all. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn, he doesn't, he doesn, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn't, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he doesn, he He talks about these cookies he made,

he ate them all. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't share. Like, five thousand calories worth the fun my mistake in. That's quite that much. But almost. He's on the bulk. Justin talked about his nut butter

that he gets from the market. I mean, it shouldn't be, you know, creepy, but I always make it. Literally Justin, it's just tasty. That's the name of it. We talked about the train, the trainer seminar that we had here at MindPump Media Headquarters, which was fucking awesome. Another big thank you to all of the trainers that attended that.

We love you and we're going to be doing more of that stuff in the future. Also, we have been getting a lot of questions on one of our bundles, our sexy athlete bundle. So we create these bundles by combining different programs. And then typically what we do is we add a modification to it showing you how to use both programs in combination. We want you to be able to make babies with our programs. Definitely. The ones that we put together in the sexy athlete bundle

are maps, performance, and maps aesthetic. So one of them is athletic based. The other one is kind of body-building, stage, presence-based. The modification in there teaches you how to combine the two, literally meld them. So you're not just following one, and then following the other one,

you're combining them. So some of the foundational workouts will be performance So some of the foundational workouts will be performance, some of the foundational workouts will be aesthetic, and then whether or not you do mobility or focus sessions is based on your goal. You can find the sexy athlete bundle, oh, and also, it discounts both programs over 20% off. You can find this at mindpumpmedia.com

and then, organify, we also have a discount with our sponsor, organify. The discount, believe uh... do we know how big the discount is does twenty percent is twenty percent off to zero go to organify shop dot com enter the code mind pump and now we get into the questions first question was would we ever program barbell or kettlebell complexes into a maps program?

In other words, would maps ever have a baby with Wad? Yeah, probably not. And obviously this person is not familiar with maps performance, because we do have them in there. So you might want to pay attention. The next question was, you know, in the old days of Mind Pump, we were off the rails. This person says we're more professional now.

Do we miss the day? Doug, it's all my vagina talk? Yeah, do we miss those days, kind of, and we kind of don't. The next question was, we'll bring him back. You know, it said that you are the average of the five people you surround yourself with. We talk about the five people who have helped us

most into molding us into the people we are today. I was a better person before I met Adam and Justin. Mainly because he only had three friends. We ruined you. The final question is, do we believe that some people, regardless of how hard they work, will ever be successful, a bodybuilding. In other words, can you outsmart your bodies, genetics,

and metabolism without sci-fi technology where you can actually alter your genes? No. Find out in this episode of my fucking amoeba and it's t-shirt time give away the Shirts I want to reviews 18 reviews. Oh, that's not bad. We're given away five shirts. Okay, so starting with black spade boy 300 Gorilla babyface Sea ray 56 and big chest 69 LOL. Yeah. All of you are winners in the names.

I just read to iTunes at mind pump media.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Excellent. So you eat these, you make these 80 calorie cookies and then you eat fucking 70 of them. They're diet. They're diet.

Yeah. That's what's funny about that stuff. Although I will, I will say this though, the cool part of them. They're diet. Yeah. That's what's funny about that stuff. Although I will say this though, the cool part of that. And I'll be the first to make it. Like I definitely binge. I think it probably had like eight or 10. What do the ingredients? They look amazing. What do the ingredients? I saw them, but explain to them. No, no, no, no. The ingredients is on my instaur. You're gonna have to go there, bro. If you don't want to go to my instaur, you don't get the recipe listen do you do a horrible fucking job name yeah midger organ here I'm trying to get you to original organify sponsor right now and I'm

trying to tell you know you gotta go to my answer story if you want if you want the recipe well I don't know the recipe off my head come on dude it's like it's long but what do they taste like a peanut butter are they no so there's co powder in there, there's vanilla extract in there, there's the organifi protein powder, the organifi green juices even in there, walnuts, chocolate chips, cream cheese, what else is in there? I'm not talking. I think I named most of the stuff that's in there.

Now, do you cook them or do you just put them in the fridge? You bake them, you bake them in the oven. They're like normal cookies. They're like when we had the keto cookies with that girl? Yeah. So we've been, so Katrina and I have sensed those cookies. We've been like experimenting with stuff. Try and using organify and all the recipe.

They have a bunch of recipes. So we've been playing with them. This is a recipe we're doing right now. And they were really fucking good. And we made some of them with walnuts. We made some of them with chocolate chips. And then we made regular ones that just taste that were just the cocoa.

The cocoa flavoring with the cream cheese and the Organified stuff tastes awesome So but here and so we before we turn before we turn the mics on We were we were joking about how you I ate like you know 20 of them or whatever right? Yeah, and it defeats the purpose You know the macros are on it not off top of my head. Yeah, you know, it's funny that, you know, like, Doug get stuff, Justin get we all bring it, to share it, and then Adam does stuff and eats it all by himself. Every single piece. But it tells us about it. I'm not a good share. Not at all. Yeah, always sounds amazing. Yeah, so how was your stomach after eating all this? So that, okay, now that was what I was gonna say. So the

difference between, because I'll be the first admit I've you know more than once in my life Ben's done a box of fucking Oreos or you know grandma's old You know I love the grandmother old old mil kugis. I love those cookies. I think I've ate a whole package of those handful Grandmother I do so yeah the devil stuffed Oreo You know I never went on that kick that was really you know know the whole all about the large. You know the Oreo thing right now that's like, I mean, great kudos to Oreo for fucking brilliant marketing, right? Like, because everybody, it's like, they do start doing all these combos and flavors and all this shit now, all these different types of Oreos and everybody sharing them and I mean, so brilliant. But I never, I never got on that bandwagon.

Yeah, I was like, cake batter, they had like, cake. Oh, every Reese's peanut butter cup, the double stuff. Yeah, I was like cake batter. They had like cake batter. Oh, every Reese's peanut butter cup, the double stuff, the layer, the vanilla ones, they all kinds of ones now. Yeah. I never got the whole separating the Oreo and even. But the difference is this is I did over eat them and that does defeat the purpose of using them to lose weight

and you're eating less calories, but I felt great afterwards. Normally if I did something like that, if I eat a bunch of like, so 3000 calories worth of cookies, but you didn't do any shit. But it was fine. No, that's a good point.

No, no, I'm serious. Like that was what was great about it was, yeah, I definitely over ate on calories. This is, if my goal was weight loss, this definitely is not advantageous. But I didn't get below it. I didn't feel miserable. I didn't have this awful shit I took later on

in the middle of the night. Because if I would have done that with Oreos, I'm shitting in the middle of the night. To the morning, I get woke up to take a shit for sure. 100% if you eat a box of Oreos, that's happening to me, right? But with this, I actually felt great. In fact, I could have ate more,

but I was like, okay, that's enough, you know. So how much, it's a decent amount of protein then, because you use the powder, the protein powder. Yeah, the protein powder is in there, the green juice is in there, and then you have some walnuts, so you get a little bit extra there too. Damn, but I don't want to try those now.

Yeah, I'll look the macros up, but. Have Katrina send the, or I'll find out, and I'll have Jessica and me and we'll try and make it, but we can't do, see, I can't do cream cheese, so I can't do dairy Now that's everything for those dude. Yeah, you'll have to do the other keto cookies that grow mate because hers didn't have that what if I use like a like a nut butter A nut butter. Yeah, in the replace of cream cheese. I'll give you some nut butter

You know what I did I did a post I bought it on thrive Was it a post I think it was on the forum and somebody was asking me to drive plug right there You but you but your nut butter on thrive. Yeah, you put his favorite thing to buy on there. Why you guys on do you know what nut butter? Which one do you buy I buy the Justin's? Of course yeah, why would you yeah, It's organic did you they some other they don't have they have they have just is not butter on the right Yeah, oh, it's like it's meant to be I exactly it's such a fit Justin's nut is delicious. It is it's good So the seminar the train the trainer seminar super humbling dude. I was fun so much. I got I went home or seminar. Super humbling. I was fun. So much. I got, I went home afterwards. So while we're doing it, obviously we're in the heat of the moment, we're, you know, doing our stuff. I want to

make sure all of us, all of us were a bit, I think stressed out because we wanted to, not because we're presenting, but we talked about this several times. We wanted to present a lot of value. We want to make sure people left and really felt like they got something out of it because these are not only are they fans of ours, but they're trainers. And as we've said, there are people. These are the people we connect to the most. And so I'm like, I want to make sure that they leave with something that they really benefit from.

There are warriors in the trenches. And I don't know about you guys, man, but afterwards I went home and I thought about all the people that came up to me after and at the on the breaks and would tell me their stories of how my pump influenced them, how they've changed the way they train, people train themselves.

Some people told me that our show is what motivated them to become personal trainers in the first place. I was, I got a little emotional that night thinking about just how much of an impact we are making for some people with the stuff that we do with the show. It's fucking awesome. It's also a massive responsibility. It really does make me feel, you know, it reminds me of why we're doing this, why we're doing all of this. And I really feel it because sometimes, you know, we do the show, we see how many people are downloading the show, you don't get to touch everybody and really talk to everybody, all you see is numbers. Yeah.

And we talk about all the time how the message of the fitness industry needs to change, how the focus needs to shift, how fitness and wellness need to be the answer to the health epidemic, the mental health epidemic, the physical health epidemic, but it feels like we're losing. It always feels like we're losing because every time I read something, it's more bullshit, more bullshit information. Technically, we still are losing. We are, but seeing how we've impacted some of these people in fundamental ways makes me feel like there's hope. You know what I'm saying? Like I see that, that they're,

because think about this. You know, we have these trainers coming to us telling us how we've totally changed the way that they approach fitness and health and how, you know, they've changed, they've changed the way they train people. Think about the people that they're influencing and then those people who they're influencing.

It's, oh, we got it. What was it? Just recently on Q&A, we got asked if we missed private training anymore. That's the reason why I said, I tone it all. I don't miss private training because everything that I loved about training 101, I feel like I get that times 100 doing what we're doing now.

And that's, this weekend was an example of that to impact people literally all over the world, right? Or at least all over the States, right? We had everybody up for all the way up from Alaska, Minnesota, Dakota. Well, it's cool now, because we can put a face, you know, to these names and these people in the forum

and these people we talk to constantly. But, you know, there's something about like physically being there and communicating with people. It is, it makes it more real and it does. It puts you back into kind of like, you know, the original mission of what we're trying to accomplish. And it's just nice to see that like some of these people have really responded to what we've been talking about.

And it's been very helpful in their career even. So it's just a, I feel like we have a real chance. Like I really, really feel like we have a chance at changing things in fundamental ways, just from talking to people now. I agree, we are for sure. It's just we're just not winning yet, that's all. There's no doubt in my mind that we're moving

and we're moving in the right direction and we're moving the fitness industry right, but it's we're just not winning yet, that's all. There's a quote, I'm trying to find it right now. Let me look it up here. There's a quote and it's something like every revolution begins with a tireless, loud minority. It's not, revolutions don't start with a majority.

That's why it's called a revolution. If it was a majority then it would already be there. But they all start every movement, every major movement that's happened in the world for the better started because you had this loud and tireless minority that was passionate and just really started to shift things and then you get this domino effect. And that's what I feel like we have the ability to impact and change. I see it a little bit now. I'm starting to see that the trainers that I'm meeting now, especially the ones over the weekend, who are telling me their approach to fitness and the things

that they're talking about with their clients and the things that they're, you know, they've changed it with themselves. I didn't, I never heard that before, you know what I mean? I, we've managed so many gyms and it's just these are things that we've never heard about or people talking about before and now people are starting to talk about these things and it's fucking great man. And you know fitness is an interesting it's an interesting industry. It's it isn't a fast moving industry. It's another thing that kind of gives me hope. You see trends come and go so quickly that I think that this can become a trend that stays, You know what I'm saying?

Rather than just, you know, come and go. So some of the stuff we covered on the seminar, we taught the maps code. So this is the underlying code behind programming your programs. Well, this is based on maps. I was excited to do that because I think if there's one question that we've been asked the most on the forum, and I feel that people haven't got the answers to was, you know, teach us the programming. How did you guys program?

And we've always kind of stayed away from that. Not because it's not we don't want to share, so there's a lot that goes into it. And I think anybody that was here, I think, understands that now, like now that they've been there, it's like, oh, it's not just as simple, I guess. You just throw a bunch of exercises together, there's actually a lot of, there's a major thought process that goes into how we chose the exercises, the order we chose, and the phasing, all that stuff.

So I think now that we had an opportunity to share that with this core group, I think there's a better understanding and appreciation for that. It's cool, because now you can see, too, there is a formula that we go back to. And it's like a, it's the backbone of everything we create. However, there is like a real, like a unique mix that creates, you know, this recipe

for each one of these adaptations we're focusing on. Well, the Maps code is this kind of this overarching general code that you use to program workouts. But it has a huge amount of flexibility within it where you can design it around pretty much any goal or adaptation that you're looking for. And it leaves a lot to the trainer in the sense that if you're a really good trainer, you can use that code to make amazing programs. If you're a shitty trainer, it's not gonna make you a great programmer with workouts.

So it's just again, it goes down to the trainer, but it does give them the scaffold. You know, this good scaffold that you can use and work off of to design programs because we've worked with so many trainers. You know, when trainers design a program for clients, it's like one of two ways they normally do it. It's either when they show up for the day,

oh cool, what are we doing today? This is what we're gonna do. Or it's exercise-based. Okay, this person wants to work out. So here's these great exercises that I'm gonna throw in to the workout versus this kind of bird's eye view and then kind of coming down and narrowing it. So we were able to go over the maps code

We went over at Justin did a phenomenal job going over How do how to assess both in person but also what's important is online? How do you assess an online client? That was a really really good part. We had Dr. Brink Demonstrate some of his magic and break. Yeah, man. He just really was able to break break down You know some of the people here too, got to experience, you know, what he's made us go through, we were doing squats and what he noticed is right away. And it is really impactful when you see it live and in person.

Dude, how cool was it when you had the trainer up with them who had ankle mobility issues? You could squat. And then he just changed one thing and deep squat, deep. Everybody in the eye, everybody was like, oh, whoa, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, he sees that right away. And then Adam went over the social media component because all the trainers here wanted to build

their business and grow. And social media is just, whether you like it or not, that is a major part of your business. And it's gonna become a bigger part. And so moving forward, I think we'll be able to get more, because it was kind of surface, right? All each one of those could have become a seminar, all in. All right.

So I think in the future, I see that being multiple days, you know, being able to just get in, you know, much deeper. So, but we had a great time, man. I want to thank everybody that showed up. And we're definitely going to do more of these in the future. I think we have a good idea now what people want in the direction we're gonna move and maybe turn this into some kind of a,

you know, maybe not necessarily certification, but a course that you can take that, you know, we'll help ensure, or at least contribute to your success as a fitness professional. So, but besides all that, how was your guys' weekend? Did you guys have a weekend

after doing anything else afterwards? Yesterday I watched football day long, my boys. I had both my buddies that came into town and we just kind of hung around watch football day. I was wore out, man. I was tired. Did you get tired of it? Oh, man, I was tired.

Anytime we ate, how much? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime we talk that long, it's amazing how draining that is and comparison to all the other physical things I've had to do in my life. I always find that when we do, especially when we travel to and we do multiple shows and interviews, once we push beyond like three,

three, four hours of talking straight, it's like, it just wears on to you. So I mentally drained, so I think I came home that night, just passed out. You know, it's funny, so my dad makes fun of me when I say, so my dad will be like, hey, how does, how does work, you know, he's like, physical, rigorous. He's like, how does work? I'm like, oh, I'm tired. Yeah, I'll be like, I'm tired, and he'll be like, you're tired.

But yeah, we had like, you're pushing. We did like four interviews and he's like, you're talking, he's like like, I'm tired, and he'll be like, you're tired. But yeah, we had like, You're pussy. We did like four interviews, and it's like, you're talking, is that your mouth is tired? You just, you're, you're, you're, Yeah, is that your face is tired? You know, it's, it's, it makes me laugh. You know, cause I don't like, what do I say about that? You can't, you can't say that you're back.

You know what? I've been on both sides, right? So I've been on both sides before. I definitely had laborious jobs where I know what it's like to get up at four o'clock in the morning, work at 12 hour a day, and just be fucking exhaustive physically. And there's definitely a difference. And there's not to take anything away from either one of them, right?

Like both of them in their own right is fucking taxing. Exactly. Exhausting. It makes you it's a different exhausting. Like it's a when I when I used to do like work the ranch and stuff, I would come home and there'd be like I didn't didn't even wanna get my dirty clothes off. I just laid out and just, crash, just cause I'm just physically exhausted, right?

And but same thing here, I get this feeling, but it's not my body doesn't feel exhausted. It's my head, my head feels just like, I don't wanna talk. Funny, because this weekend I finished up on this chicken run thing because I was working this project over the last couple of weekends. Just as something to help my wife out.

I got into it because it was mindless work for me. I'm just like tinkering and tooling and doing all this stuff. She was off work so I was able to keep working on it. And I don't know what it is, but it just helps me to kind of like relax because I'm just tinkering and using my hands and- What's a chicken run? Well, I don't even know if that's what you call it,

but it's just basically like an extension to the cage so they have more room, but they're not like flying out and fucking shit all over my deck and being assholes. So yeah, I wanna keep them like, it's like an extension to the prison, basically, is what I just built. So are they free range, they're not free range, huh?

Well, we will let them out, you know, and they'll go around, but. Do they eat the bugs and shit? Yeah, they'll eat bugs, but the problem is, I don't wanna let them out all day because that's when they just, they're so stupid. They literally just like come next to the sliding glass door and they stare at you and they like pick at,

you know, the window and they're like, nah, nah, nah, nah, like trying to get in. And I'm like, go away. You know, go do something, go get some bugs. Like, fuck you dudes. Like, all they're doing is sitting there shitting, looking at you like, let me in. I'm just hitting their face on the window.

Did you name your chickens? Yeah. I didn't, my kids actually name, I think it's like, stupid names like Snow White and Sparky and, you know, Yoda, fucking, I don't even remember the one Smoky or something. That's great. Super creative. Oh, that's great. Yeah super creative

Yeah, so they let him name like where so when you get their eggs They got the really like golden yolk probably from in the bugs, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah What makes you realize how shitty most eggs are right? Yeah, no, no, they're amazing like super nutrient dense They look way different though Don't they when you crack them open they look different than most eggs. Yeah, and each chicken. It's a lot different. Each chicken has a different kind of an egg because we got a couple different breeds in their shape. Already Rhode Island Reds?

One of them is, yeah. And I don't know what the white one is, but that's the one that produces the most. So. Oh, really? Yeah, she's awesome. Do you remember the other breeds you have or no? No, I don't know. You have any cluckies?

I wasn't like a cluckies's processed make it was big of a name Yeah, I mean give me Washington cookies Sounds like a big a name Yeah, do you have any Boston beakers? Chicken breeds like fucking basketball teams Like just like the tellworks. The wizards. Yeah, there's my wizard, my wizard breed. That's a fatten was a bird of chicken.

You'd be the wizard brain. The wizard. Yeah, no, but you know, we were talking about being exhausted. It's interesting, right? Because you get physically exhausted because your body, you waste a lot of physical energy, you build up a lot of waste products in your muscles. That happens in the brain too, dude. Sure.

That happens in the brain too. That's why I think that they're equally as taxing just in different ways. Totally different systems, right? Different systems are getting taxed more than others, but overall, since we're one big system, it can be equally just as bad, right? Yeah, when I leave these types of events,

or you know, when we do, like these, these are mentally taxing podcasts or whatever, I don't wanna talk anymore. I'll go home and I'm just, I don't want to say anything. I didn't talk to anybody. Really? Yeah, let's see, go away. You went, you're in your got home?

Yeah. Yeah, no, and then my girlfriend's like, tell me about what happened. I'm like, that's exactly it. I don't, I can't talk. My mouth doesn't work. I'm sorry. that's exactly I don't I can't talk my mouth I'm sorry Katrina Katrina will ask and then just just from the hesitation that I give for the answer She already knows right away. She's like, oh, you don't want to talk right now

Do you so I'm like well, you know, you can ask me question. I rather I don't want to just I don't have anything Just share I don't have I don't have like a like a point like to make right now But if you want to ask me questions like I'm not gonna not talk to you But yeah, not really like talking I can't wait to do another one dude. Yeah wanna ask me questions, like, I'm not gonna not talk to you, but yeah, not really if I like talking about it. I can't wait to do another one, dude. Yeah, I'm excited. I can not wait. No, I'm excited.

I mean, let's be honest, this is what, this is what we did. This is the ultimate goal. Well, it's what we did for most of our career. Like, if you were to ask me, my favorite parts of being in fitness, it was not training clients, it's not learning about exercise, it's none of that shit. It was training trainers.

I mean, that was 100%. I enjoyed developing other leaders more than anything else I've ever enjoyed. I got more enjoyment of that than anything else I've ever done. So being here in the business now is exciting. It's exciting. It's fun. It's gonna be a lot of work like that.

So we'll see. I was surprised how many young people were there. We had a kid with 17. We had a 17. It was so great. Do you talk to him? Yeah Jake? Yes, Jake's name. Yeah, Jake You're a fucking kid and started it was a 17 year old kid flew his ass over here from Alaska Yeah, so he flew from Alaska to just to attend our seminar and he's a baby Yeah, and he's trying to build his business like that is a huge like awesome sign Do you ask you guys any questions are now? No, we yeah, we did I made about certifications and he's trying to build his business. Like, that is a huge awesome sign.

Did he ask you guys any questions or no? Yeah, we did. I made many about certifications. He asked me a great question. And he asked me about, like, he was concerned. This was before I knew his age and stuff. The first question he walked up to me, he says, you know, Adam, he goes, you know,

I need to know, like, where do you think I potentially should pivot to or do? Like, you know how you guys started off as trainers and then you moved in and you did this big thing of mind-pomping, everything. He goes, I'm concerned that, you know, I don't wanna just get stuck in a trainer, but I don't know also where I'm gonna go from there. And then I'm like, well, man,

we'll tell me a little bit about your job now. This is that, he's like, well, I'm not even a trainer yet, I'm gonna go from there. And then I'm like, well, man, we'll tell me a little bit about your job now. This is that he's like, well, I'm not even a trainer yet, I'm only 17. I'm like, oh, man. It's like, damn, bro, you're way ahead of yourself right now. I'm like, I don't wanna create any glass ceilings in the face. Yeah, I'm like, get you great, like his heart was in the right place about it, right?

But I'm thinking of myself like, bro, don't even worry about that right now. Oh, awesome, is that great? I know, it's more 17 rules. No, I'm not even thinking that worry about that right now. Oh, awesome. I know. It's more 17 year olds. No, I'm like, I would even think, I'm not even thinking that way when I'm 17 years old. Not at all.

Not at all am I thinking that way. I'm like, you know, and he even caught himself. He's like, I just need to get my cert, just get started. I'm like, yeah, I get the experience. I said, here's what will happen. Like, you could have asked any of us three guys when we were early on in our careers. Did we think we were going to be doing this? None of us three guys, when we were early on in our careers, did we think we were

going to be doing this? None of us would have answered that. 100%. So you got to get in it, you got to start doing it. And then something will naturally come to you. You're going to find a knack somewhere, you're going to have a passion, you're going to find certain types of people that you do really well with and let that guide and direct you. Don't try and figure that out or force that because you saw us do something or someone else. Like, do you, and do you the best you possibly can, and then let it unfold from there, and pay attention as you go. Yeah, I had, I met a gentleman from Tennessee,

can't remember his name, the big dude, you know, the guy that was in here, just kind of like a dude. Real cool guy, he's been training for 15 years, so he's been doing this right around as long as we have. He's a dad, and he trains lots of people, and he's like, for him, like social media, because our generation, right this right around as long as we have. He's a dad and he trains lots of people. And he's like, for him, like social media, you know, because our generation, right, we didn't grow up with it.

Right. So he's like, I hate the social media. So we had a nice conversation about that. And he has the question about like, your brand or what you do. And I'm like, you are your brand, like how you talk, like everything you do is your brand. And I think it's kind of set off a light bulb for him. And then I met a young lady, think her name was Avalon, 20, I want to say 22,

and she was asking about, she's a trainer in a like a big box gym up in Vancouver. So she's from Canada, and she want to know if she should continue to move up the ladder in corporate fitness or that kind of atmosphere before going off on her own. And I will almost always usually say yes to most trainers. corporate fitness or that kind of atmosphere before going off on our own. And I will almost always usually say yes to most trainers. I thought that, you know, I want to share that on the show that if you're a young trainer and you're working in a big box gym, there is so much you can, Liz, what I told you, there's so much you can learn from, you know, moving up in an atmosphere of the big box

gym, just because they're going to provide you all these opportunities and you can learn how much it costs the run of gym. Yeah, leadership had a deal with a lot of volume of people. You know, what your profit and losses are, how to deal with marketing. You know, prove yourself there, learn there, and then go off on your own. Because I think a lot of people have that misconception,

right, that they can just go off on their own and then succeed. Oh yeah. Well, it's almost naive to think that because when you have a place like that, they've already proven that they can do what you're trying to do. And they can then do it on another level

that you hopefully probably wanna get to one day, right? And even if you have no desire to potentially make a chain and a franchise and be worth millions of dollars, whatever, knowing that you have the opportunity to work for a company that has gone through and blaze the trail in the field or the industry that you're in, there's so much insight that comes with that. And to think that you can actually get paid to get its education in a sense, right? It's going into a field and getting educated by somebody who has proven it in the

industry already. And then they're actually going to pay you to work there. Like that to me is invaluable. So no brainer. It's a no brainer to take advantage of that first before you were ever to step out and say, Hey, you never know. You never know. You may do well in that environment. Right. I have friends that do that for living in our friend Ryan who runs, you know, as a president now, UFC gyms, he's doing very well and very successful in it. And it's, I'll tell you what, it's, I could probably say it's this working for

24-hour fitness and managing and grand opening clubs and all that stuff for them. It's probably the single most educational thing I've done for myself that applies to now what I do now. In other words, that really, I mean owning my own facility, I learned a lot doing that as well, but if I never did that, I don't know, I don't think I'd be here now. That was such an impactful thing to work in a company like that and be exposed to all the good that they did and even the bad and all that stuff is pretty awesome.

Right. Yeah. Bird time. Bird. This Quas brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested, certified, organic superfoods to help give your health

the performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com that's o-r-g-a-n-i-f-i.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, the first question is from Spartan James. Would you ever program Barbell or Kettlebell complexes into a maps program? Didn't we? Yeah, we did. Didn't we have mass performance? Exactly, yeah. Yeah, and the Yeah, we did. Didn't we master formance?

Exactly. Yeah, and the durability phase, we had a kettlebell complex that was just mainly in there for conditioning. So, I mean, that's how I've pretty much used all these complexes in the past. So, if you're looking at muscle endurance, that it's a great way to, you know, approach that

as far as like that adaptation is concerned. So, Well, hence why it's in great way to approach that as far as that adaptation is concerned. Well, hence why it's in that program, too. It makes the most sense in a program like that in comparison to red or black, where you're either one more just purely strength focused or powered direction. Then on the other side of the spectrum with the bodybuilding focus on hypertrophy or muscle size and density, then when you're looking at an athlete that makes more sense to do complexes, right? I mean, what do you guys?

Well, and the reason why I was wanting to address this too is because he was mentioning some guy, I think it was Dan John, that promotes it for muscle, building muscle. And yeah, like so, again, this will go back to like what are you currently doing versus like adding this into to the mix You know will be a new stimulus that you know will create a different adaptation like muscle endurance

But it's not like you know like the way that we're using it is more for the conditioning Elements that it provides well and the reason why we are because we don't think that it's the best way to build muscle Does it build muscle? Absolutely. Can you use it to build muscle? Absolutely. But I don't think it's the best way to do that. And here's the thing, we could take anything. We could take bands, we could take chains,

we could take all kinds of unconventional tools and show that they all build muscle. And you can use all of those tools just to build muscle. If you just want to build muscle and you absolutely love to swing a kettlebell, absolutely, you can build some good muscle doing that and look great. But if someone's gonna ask me, heads up,

like, okay, if all I got is a kettlebell and all I have is a barbell, and what can I do to build muscle or which is better? It's like a monster super set, if you think about it. You're just jumping from one movement to the next. And so you just have to consider that your quality is going to degrade as you get to the next and the next movement in that sequence. So of all the ways you could lift weights to build muscles, probably near the bottom for

building muscle, unless you're totally deconditionition, then you might build some muscle from it. A complex is a circuit in essence, right? It's like for typically three to five exercises done you know, back to back. It is, the benefits come at our pure of the from it. Excuse me, our purely performance base. So like we're saying, strength endurance. It's excellent for that.

The results and progress you get from them are good in the short term. The mistakes I see people doing with complexes is they stay on them for weeks and weeks and weeks because you see benefit right away. They do burn a shit ton of calories so you'll see yourself drop some body fat right away. But similar to cardio, if all you do is push complexes over and over again, your body may start to adapt in a way where it becomes more efficient with calories

because it's kind of like cardio with weights. It's similar in the sense that you can get similar performance building benefits with, like, sprints. The difference is with kettlebells, excuse me, with kettlebells or barbells or dumbbells and complexes is you could target where you get the strength endurance a little bit more. Like if I want more strength endurance in my posterior chain,

then I can design a complex that involves a lot of posterior chain movements. If I want to be able to maintain good proprioceptive ability while being fatigued, I can definitely train it with a complex in the sense that, you know, I'm gonna be doing these different movements and some of them are gonna be lateral, some of them are gonna be in the sagittal,

some will be transverse, and it's gonna help teach me to become. I feel like this is a cross fitter asking us this question, and they are wanting to know if we would ever design a maps program that would look like that would be all that, and no, we wouldn't. That's just it. We would never design a program that looks that would be all that and know we wouldn't. That's just it. We would never design a program that looks that would be just barbell and kettlebell complexes

because then it would be on the face because then it would be CrossFit. Then it would be CrossFit. That's what CrossFit looks like. It's just a bunch of fucking complexes like it's a bunch of super sets all over the place and running and carrying weights over your head and shit. And guess what, there's nothing wrong with that if you want to. Well, it's glorified circuit training. Right. It's better, right? It's a better version. It's better than curves

Yeah, you know, it's better than sitting on a machine. It is better than machines circle circles hard to But I mean I feel like that's got to be where this question is coming from But I you we would definitely I could definitely see us running a phase of that like the three four-week Portion of that absolutely. I can see I could see a a whole section being a complex I could totally design like a super I could totally barbell complexes all the time I could we could totally do this right if I were to put it anywhere in maps right now I would build it on is like the fifth phase of like maps performance and it's all kettlebell and barbell complexes to take the durability to, right. Take the durability to a whole other level.

There you go. There's your fifth phase, and I would cycle out of it and go right back there. But it wouldn't be appropriate for everybody, right? No, that's just super intense. It's just too much. And I'll tell you, this is something we need to touch on.

There are some exercises that are absolutely unsuitable for complexes. Exercises that are the worst ones to pick for a complex and those exercises that are better. And it really breaks down to this. The more complex and technique focused the exercises, the worse it is for a complex. The more simple and basic,

and puts you in a compromising position with your joints. This is worse. This is why whenever I see somebody do Olympic lifting in a complex, I want to slap them in face. It is, that is a horrible, horrible exercise choice for a complex because when you pick an Olympic lift, Olympic lifts of all the lifts, all the barbell lifts are the most complex.

They're the most complex form of exercises. In other words, they require the most technique. If you're doing an overhead snatch or a power clean, there's a lot of technique involved. It's actually mostly technique that's involved with them. Power doesn't come in to the frame until much later when you're an expert in that exercise. When you inject that type of an exercise into something that's going to fatigue you because it's designed to, that's what complex you're supposed to do, it's supposed to fatigue the hell out of you.

Your technique starts to go down. And with the slightest deviation and technique, a snatch goes from safe to dangerous. Very quickly. It's not like a kettlebell swing. A kettlebell swing, although it's posture or chain and it does require some technique. The load is centric for one. Yes. I mean, that's the reason why we chose that.

It's a lot safer, just from that aspect alone, it's more controllable. It's very technique-based if you want to really break down a kettlebell swing. It's not necessarily, I'm going to go through this with slop, but at the same time, once you bring the load further out away from your body, you're gonna put your body in more of a compromised position. And if you're fatigued and your form breaks down a little bit with a kettlebell swing, you can get away with it. You can drop it.

You can drop it. That should start to break down with Olympic lifts and you're fucked. You're in a very, very bad position. We've all seen the video. So when you're picking exercises for your complexes, pick simple basic ones. You have good technique too that you can get a little sloppy with if you get fatigued. That doesn't mean you should get sloppy. The other mistake I see people making with

complexes is they go to failure on each exercise. You don't want to do that. You want, still want to maintain good form and good integrity with your exercises. And you can still get very fatigued. The point is to get through it, you know, without like, mechanically. Yeah, mechanically. So it's, if anything, you want to like, bring the load down a bit. So you still can maintain good form,

but you're super, you know, fatigued at the end. And don't let your ego like take over, like go lighter with the way and perfect your form to make it more difficult versus going heavier. So we got to mention thrive right now, Justin. Thrive market. And I just tried that macadamia nut. What is that macadamia nut?

Milk? Macadamia. What is that that you got there? Under sweetened macadamian milk. I can never find that at Whole Foods. It's always sold out. How much did you pay for it? How much did you pay for it?

That's a good question. I don't know. You don't remember? It was cheap. So what do you use that for? You can put it on cereal if you eat that, which I really don't, but I did find this paleo granola that they have, and that's also pretty tasty.

So you just poured it right on there? Yeah, the problem with the paleo granola though, is you buy a bag of it, and then you eat the whole thing in one sitting. And so just like Adam's cookies, you end up eating a lot more calories than you wanted to. So the other thing about Thrive that we've mentioned a couple times is how they donate a membership to a family that's in need. That's actually one of my favorite

parts of this company is that they're so conscious about helping other people with nutrition and wellness and giving them better options. When you get a membership with them, they donate a membership to somebody who can't afford one. They also have access to organic or non-GMO health foods that they normally wouldn't be able to afford because, as we all know, hands down one of my favorite sponsors, just because of that. Just because of what they just because of the,

what they are doing right now. And it's interesting to watch where they're going. The space that they're doing is, I think the future of how we're all gonna receive food. I think the days of going to grocery, those that know what's going on with Amazon go stores, though you like where you just walk in, grab your food and you walk out, no scanning,

no nothing like, in the future, you're gonna just either one, get your stuff all shipped right to your house, just like thrive markets doing, and a lot of this other online companies are, or these type of Amazon stores. So it's cool to see somebody who's on the front end of that what they're doing. Yeah, that's really the heart of it. I feel like, you know, for the longest time, that was the greatest barrier to entry for people to get to healthy quality foods.

It's just like, it's way too expensive. And to have a company like this, like where it's organized in a way where everybody contributes to lower the pricing together by building this community, it's a powerful thing. And you know, this is one of those things that's why we want to stand by it

because it's more than, you know, just a marketplace. It's a place where people can really kind of spread out getting healthier foods to people that can't really afford it. So basically, as a listener, you can get a free membership for 30 days. You can also get $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more.

And I think they give you what? Free shipping, too, Doug. Is that free shipping? So what you do is you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump, and you're going to get hooked up with all of that. And then go on there, check it out. Go through their site. It's not going to cost anything. Look at their products.

Compare the prices of their organic non-GMO products to what you would pay at your local grocery store or your local Whole Foods. Their prices are between what I found, on average, about 20% lower, some cases as much as half. So the prices are fantastic. Again, that's thrivemarket.com-flour-slash-mindpump. Next question is from the Logan Doherty.

Listening to the old days of Mind Pump, do you guys feel you have lost your rough edges? Mind Pump as a media company is more professional now. Do you miss the days of recording raw episodes and Doug's living room? You guys sold out, man. You're so corporate. You know, it's funny. We were, we were, we, oh, it was up in, it was up in Tahoe.

And for the Spartan, and we were just reminiscing. We had long day work. It was like 11 o'clock and night or midnight. And you know, by this point now we're drinking and relaxing a little bit. And we started reminiscing on some of our old episodes and we actually went back and I don't, none of us had listened to any episode.

That was old, right? For a long time, I hadn't listened anything in the 100, you know, range or whatever episode range. Not a long time. I hadn't listened anything in the hundred, you know Ranger whatever episode range. We started playing some of them and yeah, we were pretty pretty Like they were pretty those topics were interesting now Yeah, it was you know, it's it's a natural progression of the show I don't miss it There's parts of it that I might miss like I and I think I'm always trying to push us and challenge us to be a little more edgy or

Not be worried about ruffling too many feathers Because now it's inevitable, right? It doesn't matter what show it is. There's always somebody who disagrees or is pissed off or is unhappy or gets offended like So it's inevitable that happens every show now. And just the natural progression of that is because when you're doing stuff that is so over the top like that, you tend to get more of that type of attention. And I think after a while, I think you just get tired of having to deal with it.

And so it kind of naturally has shaped and formed the show, right? So I don't know. There's, there's pluses and minuses to both sides of that. Like I, I think that the future future of Mind Pump, I think there'll be a time where we have some really off the rail stuff and then we'll have the typical Mind Pump

what we do like right now. And we had to do it that way. You know, like we had to come out guns blazing and just, you know, be as ridiculous as possible. Well, a lot of it too, I think it was fucking nervous. I was just gonna say, a lot of it, a lot of it, out guns blazing and just, you know, be as ridiculous as possible. Well, a lot of it too, I think it was fucking nervous. I was just gonna say, a lot of it, a lot of it was. A lot of it was.

I think, I mean, whole people, I feel like I'm a much better interviewer now today than I was. 500 episodes. I was just gonna say, if you listen to, at least I try to work on my skill. When you listen to our show, you're listening to us, really truly us, what's on our mind? What are we thinking about?

What direction are we going with fitness and wellness in our lives and our personal lives? And it's just the complete reflection of us. It's very unrehearsed, very unscripted. We just sit down and go. And in the early days, I mean, it was definitely nervous. It was not only was it nervous a lot of a jazzing on our mind. Yeah, I think we were nervous.

I think we were swinging real hard because we wanted to get attention. We had analogies. And the three of us didn't, although our chemistry is always awesome, the three of us didn't know each other nearly as well as we do now. So it was almost, there were definitely episodes where it was like, let's see who can out. Yeah, we're like one up in each other. Exactly. And so I think that's what you're hearing a lot of.

But you get us on the right day and we'll still have an episode like that. We do every once in a while we'll throw an episode like that where. And to me, I like it more like it is now. It's way more natural because all of any sort of nerves or anything that we had in the past, obviously after 600 episodes is completely gone, right? So, this has become not only a habit, it's become therapy, it's become something extremely natural.

And that's just anything you do, right? If you put enough, once you put 10,000 hours and you're considered a master in something like that, and we're not quite there yet, but we're up there, you know, we're getting up there in hours that we've actually been doing this for. And so, and I still think we are refining the skills. And I like it. I do miss some of the topics and off the chain stuff, but like Sousa, I think we still kind of revisit

some things where we can. Now then we'll shock it off purposely. Like if we're in the mood, I don't feel like that's something like we won't touch. So it's just that now we're just trying to kind of refine and polish our message more. And I think that's why we're we might sound a little more corporate.

You know, it's interesting. So yeah, right. No, you know what? And there's no as our cave Justin at the hardest time with that for sure. He was he was Mr. pushback on that more than anybody was being so afraid. We're going to be like everybody else. It's just like I hate that. I don't like to blend in to everybody else's else. It's just like, I hate that.

I don't like to blend into everybody else's shit. Like I want us to be uniquely us, you know, always. So where you need to go. You know, and it's that, here's the other thing too, that a lot of companies run into it when they start off small and have a really tight fan base. And then they start to succeed. And every business, look, here's a deal.

Every business that is massive now started with a very dedicated fan base. Every single one, Starbucks, McDonald's, anything you can think of, at some point they were small, but they had a very dedicated loyal fan base. And that's what made them big. And inevitably there's always gonna be those people that's like, you know, you sold out, or you're not the same, or whatever, and it's what made them big. And inevitably there's always gonna be those people that's like, you know, you sold out,

you're not the same or whatever, and it's like, listen. You know, when we were small, you wanted us to succeed, and now when we are, you're changing. Because it didn't go the way you planned it together. Well, no, I just think people don't feel as special. You know what I mean? Like they think like, oh, I'm the only one that knows about

the, like how many people will listen to music, and then all of a sudden it's on the radio and they're like, eh, I don't like it. Oh, I think it's a little bit of that. And I think it's a little bit too of some people. Oh, and it's on like a commercial. Not a lot of people think about, like, and understand all the other intricate parts of a business,

you know, at least once it gets to a certain point, you know, there's, it's one thing to think, like, think yourself. And if I was doing this, and once I started making this kind of money or this started, I would do it like this and I would do it like that. Well, okay, well, things that you think of right now is only goes this far and there's so much more to that unless you've built so much that. And I think anybody who has built anything like mine, pomp, or much bigger completely

understands and knows and knows what what happens and what what goes into it and the work that we have to do and I think those people really understand and you're right. I think there's early on early adopters that Feel that you we lose coach. Should let's be honest when we first started the fucking forum You know there was 10 people one day, you know, and there's all and there was only 10 There's three of us we had like an anti-former. We talked it. We talked it. Yeah, right? You remember that? Yeah, so they're they're we had an anti-former. We talked to it. We talked to it. Yeah, right? You remember that? So they're, they're, we hit an anti-former. Yeah, well, it was kind of, it was the, it was the OGs all started their own

where they could, where they could talk whatever inappropriate shit because we started to censor the forum. Like, listen, we can't put things that are like totally inappropriate. Like, I mean, we, we get people who are on our phones. Yeah, so we,

Someone was trying to put it so bleaching. But you know what, and, you know what? That forum died, you know, it didn't, it didn't keep going because, you know, we, we, the main reason why people are in that forum, okay, the main one, there's lots of reasons why lots of people are. But the main one is to get a strong community where you can meet with other like-minded people that are growth-minded and they want to learn. That's for sure the number one reason. Then there's a lot of other reasons. It's fun, it's for a flexion of the show,

all these things like that. But we have to still keep it for the main reason, we have to cater to that. Like it's gotta be people connecting to each other, people helping other people grow, learn more about health. We want the bigger things. We want people to change.

And it's not to say that we don't love the frickin' craze. It's funny to be in craze I'm thinking about like, it's very interesting when you really think about like, I remember when we would all meet and sit down and record the show, it was a different feel. It was like, okay, here I go. I'm going to record like, I got to get, you know, and you kind of get psyched up and you get, you know, hyper and you really do it. And it's gotten so natural now that when we did the seminar with the trainers, I was way more anxious and nervous doing that. The second we came into the studio to record with everybody watching all of a sudden as soon as he sat in our chairs, did you guys feel like, oh,

relaxing. Yeah, like we crossed our legs. Totally. I know. This is like our safe spot. Isn't that weird? That's great. Next question is from J.M. Wardle. It is said that you are the average of the five people you surround yourself with. Who are the five people who have helped mold you into the person you are today? Oh man, I can all our history. I know, right?

That's kind of a heavy question. That's the first one. Well, here's a deal with that. And that's a really, really fucking tough one to answer because those circles have continued to change over the last 15, 20 years of my life. 100%. There is definitely a core group of people that influenced me from my teenage years into my early 20s. And there was a core group of people that influenced me in my early 20s to my mid 20s from my mid 20s

to my 30s. And then currently now, I wouldn't put Justin or Sal in part of that first five back in my 20s because I didn't even fuck a known them. But I most certainly would count them in that circle right now with where we're at in our lives currently. Cause I obviously spend more time with them than anybody else. So it's really tough to say that I think what's important about that was when I made that, when I finally,

and there wasn't until my mid to late 20s that I actually put that together did I start looking at things differently and let me give you an example. So forever and this is part of my MO is I attract people that that need help right so I've always been the father figure in my own family. And so part of my my breakdown or my MO is that I attract myself to women and other people that like want to learn and then I like to teach, I like to teach and help and grow them. Well, if I'm constantly surrounded myself from these people, these are all people and John C. Maxwell talks about this and the laws of leadership that if I'm always surrounded myself with people that are trying to become tens and they're all fives,

like I will never break beyond five. I'll never push beyond that because that's what I'm surrounding myself with. So it's the laws of leadership. So if I'm gonna elevate myself, I gotta start surrounding myself with others that are ahead of me that I can now learn from. So I didn't put that together until my mid 20s

and realized that, and so now when I'd have a relationship, and it would be very tough, these are tough decisions, or I'd be sitting around and I'm like, here's my five core, right? And I've got my buddy Mark who's killing the game, and I'm learning a ton from him, and he's a definite leader, and somebody who was very impactful and pushed me in different directions,

my other buddy Austin, very similar like that at that time. But then maybe I have one or two, and I'll just use fake names not to put somebody on front street, like Mike and Richard. And Mike and Richard, man, we're boys. We go all the way back. When since we were younger

and they're fucking so fun to go out and party with. Like they're my vagus boys. Like we like crap, sweet you cards all the time together. We have good time together, man. And I really enjoy their time. But boy, they're fucking, you know, one of them fucking is addicted to drugs all the time together. We have good time together man, and I really enjoy their time But boy they're fucking you know one of them fucking is addicted to drugs all the time the other one's partying on the weekdays Not really go they both work kind of nine to five jobs not really going much anywhere direction wise Neither one of them are entrepreneurs

But I fucking love them. I love to hang out with them That's a really tough situation to be in that I think a lot of people get stuck there. And at one point, I have to start to realize that they're no longer serving me anymore. And people, when they first hear that, they're like, oh, that's a really fucked up way to look at relationships with people. But no, that's not people. People, when they say that, it's threatening to them to hear that. Right. It's very threatening to hear that because then you think,

oh, well, you know, people are not going to want to because then you think, oh, well, you know, people are not going to want to be my friend because of whatever or, you know, it sounds selfish. First off, you got to love yourself more than anybody else. That's just number one. You cannot pour from an empty cup. You can't, if you truly want to help people, and this is just for me, this is one of my driving forces that I just really, really feel called to help people, I can't help anybody if I don't help me first. Then who am I to help anybody?

Or what am I helping people from? If I'm not myself, not taking care of myself. So you're in your top five? Say what? You're in your top five. You actually, you are always in your top five. Who else, who do you hang out with more than yourself? Right.

Right, nobody. You make love to yourself more than everybody. I just say I love you. But yeah well I'm probably four the five but if you but if you it's a close between set between Adam and I'll tell you what it is out and then clone south yeah it is a difficult thing to be a grower because when your growth mind in a show'm a shower. You will find yourself. Yeah, you're not. I see that.

Yeah. When you... If you're a growth-minded individual, it's difficult because there's not a lot of growth-minded individuals around. So what you're going to end up finding throughout your life is you will outgrow a lot of the people around you. You'll have mentors, you'll have people you're working with and growing with, and then all of a sudden, they're going to feel like anchors. They're going to feel

like you can't move, you can't keep growing now. That doesn't mean you don't love them. Before they feel like anchors, even before that, they'll, they will slow you down. You just don't realize it. You may not realize it because you justify it because you enjoy all the other things about them in their relationship. You enjoy the fun, you enjoy the humor, the whatever things you guys have in common. But if you become like Sal said, if you become somebody who is a growth-minded person where you are looking to be a better version of yourself every single day, well, every day that you find yourself hanging out with these people, you either stay stagnant or potentially regress. And so when you start looking at it like that, and that's the five

numbers, like really generic, because I wouldn't think it's five now. I think it's a lot more than that. I mean, I have the pleasure to interview and speak to on an almost daily basis, you know, brilliant minds. And I don't just talk to them on the show. I get to hang out with them afterwards and communicate with them via text. Like, and you better, you bet your ass. If you've heard somebody on this show that has impressed the hell out of me, I'm fucking hang out with them afterwards and communicate with them via text. Like, and you better, you bet your ass, if you've heard somebody on this show that has impressed the how out of me, I'm fucking talking to them. Like, I don't just interview them and then say, see you later.

Like, if you made an impact with me when I met you and we talked and I'm like, fucking inspired by you, I'm not letting you go. I'm, you're, I'm, we're trying to get into new circles too. And the influencers, like people that will kind of take us and catapult us and bring in a new element where growth can happen. And I think that at the core, so there's, like we're right now, like obviously with Salon Adam,

this has been a process for me to just explode in growth and just being around that type of energy. And like Adam was saying, it's changed over the years. Like there's always like a core, a group that I have to kind of attach myself to because I know that, you know, I'm, I'm going to get feedback and I'm going to get this type of important information from other people about myself to really reflect on and see areas and holes and things that I can improve on. So that's been an essential component for me throughout my entire process.

I remember one of my first mentors when I first got into this industry and somebody I looked up to, someone who really taught me a lot was instrumental in my development as a trainer and a business person. And I also remember the day that I outgrew him. And it was difficult. It was very, very difficult because when you reach that point, you know that you no longer connect with a person like you used to. And sometimes

that person is actually threatened by it. You'll actually notice this. You'll grow with someone. They'll stop. They will feel threatened by your growth. And then all of a sudden, you argue, you fight. It's no longer a relationship that's conducive for anybody. It's no longer serving. And you ask yourself, and it's fucking suck, though, because you end up asking us like, what happened dude, like we were so close, and now we can't even, we don't really get along, and you just out groom, it's a very difficult process.

You know what's really common is we tend to latch onto people to attractive qualities that we find in someone that we want for ourselves. And I'll give you an example. I would have a relationship with a friend who is just fucking, he's killing it business-wise. His level of understanding is just another, he's extremely financially successful, and I'm attracted to that, so I surround myself that person. Then I learn everything I can, and that may take years.

They may be a good, close friend of mine for five, six, seven years, and then something sometimes happens, like what you're talking about right now. So sometimes this person could remain in your life forever because they're also growth-minded. But sometimes these people happen to have a skill that they've fucking harnessed really, really well that you're attracted to and you like, and you learn that skill because you're growth-minded,

but they still have stayed the same and you're still growing beyond that. That happens a lot. And it also is not always related to money and finances. Sometimes your growth is focused in other areas. So I've also, and Katrina's a great example for this for me, because Katrina, we, when we first met, it was me sharing books with her

that were like business and leadership related. And that's how we first started talking. And she's the one that's really helped me like with my self love and my personal relationships and communication and other parts of my life that has nothing to do with making money and business. And so I continue to grow and she influences my life like that also. So it's not always going to be somebody who may make you better financially. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it's in other areas, but you're always looking for people that are helping you grow. And you're hoping that you attach yourselves to other people that are growth-minded also, so you can continue that relationship, can continue to grow, and you stay

friends for a long time. But I remember Katrina really helping me let go of friendships that they stopped. That was it. She's like, you can't look at it like you're a bad person or it's such a bad thing. It's that you guys outgrew each other or you grew in different directions or you served each other, a purpose in each other's life at that time. There's nothing wrong with that. You guys were great friends.

You guys did this together. You accomplished all that. You learned a lot from each other. Now he's going this direction, you're going that direction, and what's hurting you more than anything else is that you're fighting to hold on. You're fighting to hold on to it because you've made a personal connection

for all these other reasons, and you don't wanna let it go. And so you're hanging on, but it's actually hurting you more and it's actually regressing you. And growing is scary. Yes, it is because when you shed your skin, actually regressing you. And growing is scary. Yes. It is because when you shed your skin,

because that's literally what happens when you grow, you shed your old self because whether you like it or not, we identify with the things that we do and the way we think and the actions that we make. When you shed that, when you're all of a sudden no longer the insecure kid who's building muscle, who wants to build muscle time, or you're no longer, I gotta be the best performer, whatever, or I'm no longer,

I gotta be the best son or the best, whatever husband or when you start to shed those things in change, it's scary because now what, it's new. And like shedding skin, you're sensitive, you're sensitive to the world, you're a person. Well, if it's not, you're not doing the right thing. If it's not fucking hard, that's when you know you're on to the world, you're a person. Look, if it's not, you're not doing the right thing. That's right. If it's not fucking hard.

That's when you know you're on to something, when you start finding yourself in more of these types of conversations and going through most of this stuff, because it's like, fuck, this isn't easy. Put on the other side of that is growth. Like that is, when you break through that, then you learn to be okay with that. And that takes, that's a process.

And you're gonna fuck up 36 years old. I'm just now piecing that together, you know? It took a while, you know? One thing that I learned a process. You know, I'm gonna fuck up 36 years old. I'm just now piecing that together, you know? So. It took a while, you know. One thing that I learned was to, you know, I kind of did this a little naturally, but now I really thrive on it is seeking out what I can learn from other people and not only seeking it out, but you have to kind of humble

yourself because sometimes you'll find somebody, actually many times you'll find someone who, you don't want to be like that person, but they have something that you can really learn from. This was difficult for me early on where I'd see somebody who tried to teach me something or I could learn from them, but because I thought they were idiots or in other areas, like, well, that person, I'm not going to learn from them.

But you can learn a lot for most people. Most people can mentor you in some way. And I've had the opportunity to be surrounded by some brilliant people as I moved along, but I'll tell you what, doing this with you guys, I have never felt as challenged as I do now, and it's a good thing. I feel like the growth is like, it's like a fucking tornado of just continuing to push each other and push each other and push each other without ego, which is also different. It's not this ego-driven, I'm better than you. You're better than me type of thing. It's like,

you know, we're all just, we're more like, rather than all of us saying, let me teach you, we're all saying, let me learn from you, which is a very strange, we'll solve, elevate. It's a very different atmosphere from one that I've ever been in, where I was either with someone who's teaching me or I'm teaching someone else, it's more like all of us are like, let me learn from you, you know, and it's awesome. Next up is Katie Taylor Fit. Do you believe some people,

no matter how hard they work, will never be successful at bodybuilding? Or do you think you can outsmart your body's metabolism, structure, et cetera, with enough effort? Yeah, definitely. This is a enough effort. Yeah, definitely. This is a good question. Yeah. There are 100 percent, first off, with hard work, nutrition, you know, with the right programming,

all that stuff, you can make a dramatic change in how your body looks. You can make a dramatic change in how your body performs. You have a capacity, a natural capacity, and most of us are nowhere near the limits of what that capacity are. That being said, if you don't got the genetics to compete in bodybuilding successfully, all the hard work, effort, steroids in the world

and you're gonna make you a champion bodybuilding. Well, I think that's true for I think any... I think it matters on what you define successful as so If if I'm if I don't consider myself successful in bodybuilding although I made to the professional level That was a goal of mine and I set a goal of mine to do that because I know that I don't belong there I know that I don't have I didn't have the the gifts. I don't have good symmetry I wasn't built to be a bodybuilder, but I also believe that with hard work and all those things that we talk about that you can build a competitive physique and I can be competitive, but I'll never be the best.

I'll never be the best. And it's not, oh, that's me giving up. It's not that at all. It's that I wasn't built for that sport. It's no different than me saying that I'll never be the best at baseball. Can I play? Can I work at it? Can I be better? Can I potentially compete with some of the best in the world? Maybe, but I'll never be the best. Like I wasn't built structurally to be that person. Body buildings even more so this way because it's a visual aesthetic that actually the difference

in size of limbs and muscle bellies makes a difference. And everybody is genetically different from each other. And though some of us are way different than others. And some of us that are probably better at sports and other things. Like like I always refer to me being like built like a swimmer or a basketball player. I'm a better I would have a better chance at being great at basketball or great at swimming than I would a bodybuild. And that doesn't mean that I can't have somewhat of a successful career as a bodybuilder,

because you could argue that I kinda did, right? I went all the way up to the professional level, but I couldn't have stayed at the professional level and won and made a full career off of that nor would I ever fooled myself to think that. So I think it really depends on what you mean by success because I think you could argue that anybody could get up and compete.

That might be successful for that, right? Just competing in that. Right, just to say you got up there and look good, I think anybody can shred down and present their physique and also work on their weak areas to have a, you know, a decently symmetrical physique, but no, there's definitely a genetic component that will make a big big difference. You got to think to yourself that you have a capacity.

So imagine, who was at that said, like genetics is the bullet in the gun and epigenetics is like pulling the trigger, right? So you have this capacity. That was Chris. You was a Chris. You have this capacity for performance, physical, mental, like all aspects of performance. That capacity, there's a large range within that capacity from the absolute worst you could be to the absolute best you can be. It's a fucking wide chasm of where you can play. And that's your decisions. That's the decisions you make with your actions, with the food you put your mouth, with the how hard you work and the study you make with your actions, with the food you put your mouth, with the how hard you work, and the study you do, or all these different things, that determines

where you fall in that capacity. But you're ultimately your capacity's determined by your genes. This goes for mental capacity too. You could definitely bust your ass, work hard, get a master's degree, and a PhD, and many different fields, but are you going to be an Einstein? Are you going to be a DaVinci? Are you going to be... Well, there's... Don't you think, too, like, just with the sport of bodybuilding? It's tough because of the subjectiveness of it, right?

So, like, there's a lot of people in the gym that think that just by taking steroids are going to be awesome and huge and, you know, present themselves on stage and look amazing because, like, any other sport, you're gonna know the right way whether you suck. You know, like this is gonna take some time to develop and go through the process of like, oh wow, my body really isn't responding like the way I thought it was. Well, I could look at somebody.

So, I mean, I'll be completely honest when I chose Melissa to help her for her show, there was no doubt in my mind, I could take her to a first place position with the physique that she already had. And that's not to take anything away from the hard ass work that she put in to get on stage, but I've also trained tons of other bikini competitors

like her before her that worked just as hard and followed everything that I showed them and they didn't place top to. You can just see that body top right? Oh, right away, right away. I can see it in male or female because there's certain things that they look for, right? If you're a very unique combination of things you need to have. There is.

A guy needs to have this small waist to shoulder ratio with these nice beautiful big quads and symmetrical calves to his shoulders. And if you don't kind of have that symmetry already, it doesn't mean that you can't create the illusion. You're looking at somebody who did that. Like right away, like I didn't just also come out and start competing and then also now I was actually hanging there.

I trained for a year before I even had the balls to get on the amateur stage, and then trained at the amateur level, then get up to the professional level. It was a good tune to have three years on top of the 15 years of lifting weights that I had already previously put in, to sculpt a physique that could even potentially hang

with some of the best in the world. And I know damn well when I get up there at the professional level that I'm looking at some of the guys and I'm like, dude, we're just, you're better than I am. You are. You're just, you have a better overall package. You have to have the right bone structure, wide shoulders and narrow hips and waist. You have to have the right muscle structure, long muscle bellies, which is, you know, so combine that now. It's the odds of having the bone structure, with the odds of having the long muscle bellies, with the odds of

having the type of genetics where your body likes to build muscle, and it also likes to be lean. So now you got those three combinations. It's no different than this. It's no different than, and I like to use extreme analogy, so people can draw this, because this gets kind of blurry for people like well I don't understand what are you saying? Well look at how many you know four foot five or four foot ten there with there's people out there That are shorter than five foot how many of them play in the NBA? You just don't see it now we've had people like Spud Webb come along right? That's a five-foot guy who could dunk a basketball and it's just total anomaly. 5'6", no he was short and there was five foot dude.

5'5", yeah he was short man he was real short. So, but yeah but the point is that is it possible could someone like Spud Webb come up there and play with the pros? Yes you can but he is like so you rare right and the work that he probably put in to hang at that level it's just it's not advantageous for the average person at that That's built that way to probably try and do that the same thing goes for bodybuilding You're how many how many seven-foot bodybuilders are there? Does it mean you can't be seven foot and be a bodybuilder? You can be a five seven five seven

Well, they have what five seven they embellish those yeah embellish those numbers Still dude the guy that's only five seven the guy does Yeah, wait is it was that guy's five three? He bugs is another one. Yeah, yeah, so so you have a handful of these guys that have ever done that So yes, you can be I think you can be Successful at bodybuilding and not have the genetics, but Boy, you are definitely working against your odds if you aren't built for that. And those that are, even the ones that we're built for and have got to work their ass off. Anybody who's in the NBA worked his ass off to get there.

Anybody who's at the professional level of bodybuilding worked his ass to get up there. Basically, here's what you need to think about. You want to become the best version of yourself. That's it. What is the best version of me? And I'm not just talking about bodybuilding, I'm talking about overall.

What is the best version of me? And I'm not just talking about bodybuilding, I'm talking about overall. What is the best version of myself intellectually, physically, health-wise, spiritually, the way I communicate to people, the way my relationships are with people. All of us have this incredible capacity for doing things in all these different realms. And if we just dedicate ourselves to trying to become the best versions of ourselves,

I think you would be fucking shocked. You'd be shocked at what you can accomplish. Forget about. Yeah, but you're also, I mean, this person's asking specifically about bodybuilding. What if this kid really wants the bodybuild? Like, it's not fair for you to tell him, you know, this is where you should go.

Like, if you want to compete in a sport, can you do it and not have the genetics? Sure, you can, but just know what you're getting into. That's all I'm saying. Like I don't think I'm not going to tell you that you need to go on this hippie crunch you fucking walk like Sal's talking about right now. Like if you want a body build and it's something you're passionate about and you love you, by all means follow your passion.

But be ready for, be ready for what you're stepping into. If you look at yourself in the mirror and you are taller or way shorter or you look at yourself in the mirror and you are taller or way shorter or you look at your muscle symmetry, compare your chest, your shoulders, your legs, how balanced you are. We've all had, remember those kids in school when we were all 16, 17 years old. And he already had biceps and shoulders and he barely ever touched weights if ever. And he already kind of had a muscular kind of physique. Those are the guys and girls that bodybuilding they were, they were girls that bodybuilding,

they were built bodybuilding. But the other thing too is, I mean, we look at the question, this mentality, and yeah, I did go that way, that route, but you gotta look at the mentality behind this. People are told that no matter what, you wanna accomplish, you can, with enough effort. Just work hard enough, and that's not a bad message. Effort is, effort's one thing,

hard work and intensity is another thing. Sure, but my point is that there's nothing necessarily wrong with that message, but a lot of people, especially when it comes to bodybuilding, you know, they lie to themselves because God damn it, they don't look at themselves the right way. They don't think of themselves the right way, they don't think of themselves

the right way, they want it to happen so bad. And I see more people, I'll tell you what right now. I know what you're trying to hurt yourself. I know what you're saying. It's semantics, because it's like, how do you determine your success? Well, not only that, but how many people hurt themselves? I know what you're doing.

I know what you're doing. I know you're giving great advice, it's not that. I know you're giving great advice. And I'm just saying that I want to be clear that absolutely as possible. But listen, I mean, I had to take steroids. I had 15 years under my belt already. The amount of work and training that I put in to get it at that level was fucking unreal.

And I could have stayed in that world and just kept doing that. I've been magazine cover guy and sold programs by myself and done a thing and maybe been successful all by myself but I had no fucking desire to do that. If you do, maybe that's what you want. Maybe you don't have what it takes but you're willing to put whatever it is to be there. Like who am I to tell you, you can't have your dreams.

Just know what the hell you're stepping into. You see more people abusing their body in worse ways, trying to grow up this. I agree, I agree. Then the ones that sometimes succeed. I agree. I think people, like, so to come from more of, like, from my experience with football, like,

I knew I was good at football, but I was good. I wasn't great. You know, like, I went through the entire process and went to the next level, then went to the next level and found out, okay, at this level, everybody's kicking a shit out of me. Everybody's bigger than me, everybody's stronger than me. Faster, I could put even more work into the weight room if I wanted to and just grind my ass through that to try and even like stay on par. But at that point, I'm just staying on par barely. And then the level after that is like,

is an entirely different dimension. So I'm not, like, I just had to realize like, dude, I went pretty far, cool. You know, like, that's it for me. So unfortunately, reality's gonna set in at some point. Like, look, and my body looks like this. I look great, awesome. I did a lot of fucking great work,

but I'm not gonna be a champion. And that's reality. And I wonder how many people miss their, maybe they're calling because they get so stuck in one thing that they wanna do so well in, but they're maybe not suited for it. Yeah, don't identify with it. Try it out, see if it's,

you'll be the best. There's a lot of learning lessons that can come with that. I think that's why where I keep coming from is from is I'm not I don't want to I think Sal's giving great advice. I also don't want to discourage somebody to not do something because I'll tell you something right now. Half of what made the competing things so rewarding for me was knowing that what I was doing was so hard.

I knew that like I wasn't supposed to be here. I know that I don't have it. You know I'm saying? So it's like, it made it more challenging and more rewarding. We learned a ton going through it, right? Yeah. And it forced me to be more dialed

than somebody who can probably get away with cheating and cutting some corners because how often do we see that in sports? All sports, not just bodybuilding where somebody who was just genetically gifted who doesn't put half the effort and work in and They're still better than that guy or girl who's fucking practicing every single day. It's the same thing I used to kill me. I used to have trainers that work for me and they're just Kill me like I'd see the meeting garbage. Yeah, and then they go out and don't all this and they're

Yeah, they were shredded. Yeah, they do school crushers like 200 pounds We had a car those. Yeah, you good. God damn it. Right, right. So, you know, there's something to be said about, you know, getting involved in a sport that you're not built and that's naturally to do and knowing that maybe I'm not best for this, but hey, you know what? I'm gonna work my ass off to see how far I can get and get compared to these people.

I think if you're a listener of our show, hopefully if you've been listening for a long time, that I think we've given enough good, healthy advice and relationship, body image stuff. I think we talk about that all the time. I don't think it's fair of me to totally detour somebody from competing that may not have the genetics for it, because I 100% know that I'm not. I know what the fuck I look like right now. I know what I look like when I'm taking just my TRT dose of testosterone and I'm just lifting weights like a normal person three to four times a week.

I know what the fuck I look like. If I take my shirt off right now, nobody would walk by and go like, hey, that guy's a bodybuilder. Nobody would, not one person. So it can be done and you can't do it. It is. It is, sir.

I said no. I'm okay with that. It's okay to be okay with that. It's okay also to know that and go after a goal to prove something to yourself because that's what that was about for me. It was like it is. It was like I can prove to myself that against all odds, not having a coach, not having a team, not having the genetics, watch me fucking do this. And that was and to me like that was extremely rewarding.

It taught me a lot about myself. It did a lot of things for me character wise, yada yada yada. So, you know what, just know that absolutely genetics make plays a huge fucking role. And you may, you may have a body type that does not suit you for what you're about to go through. There's a lot of stuff you can do in bodybuilding

besides competing. You really like bodybuilding that much. You can become a coach. You could be a trainer. You know, you could be like Honey, who obviously could never step on stage. But, you know, he's apparently a good coach, you know. No, you're right.

You're right. Bodybuilding, there's a difference between bodybuilding as a sport and then just being in a bodybuilding. Because technically, when you think about it, and a lot of bodybuilders like to tell this to people, is that we're all their bodybuilders. We all are in a way. You're building your body. Yeah. All of us are trying to build muscle and burn fat Which is really the same thing that a bodybuilder's doing. They're just taking it to a whole extreme level I'm gonna put that on my Instagram now. We're all bodybuilders. Yeah. We're all bodybuilders like a flag. That's a perfect way. Sobs 239. That's it. Hey, check this out.

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