Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 627: Speed of Muscle Loss When You Stop Training, Achieving Health Without Eating Organic, the Nootropics Craze & MORE

Episode Date: October 28, 2017

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about tips for getting business with family, if someone can achieve a high level of health even if they can’t afford to purchase organic, their thoughts on the growing popularity of nootropic foods and how long it takes to see noticeable muscle loss when you stop training. Millennial love (3:56) Guys talk Netflix’s “Big Mouth” (6:30) Beyond the Barbell (13:25) Coach Jessica and Sal man of the year (17:47) Quah question #1 – Any tips for getting into business with family? (26:00) Quah question #2 – Can someone achieve a high level of health even if they can’t afford to purchase organic? (32:28) Investment in your health Pursue quality Thrive market (33:14) Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on the growing popularity of nootropic foods? (40:04) Quah question #4 - How long does it take, without training, to see noticeable muscle loss? (54:00) Related Links/Products Mentioned: Organifi (Official Mind Pump sponsor) Coupon Code "mindpump" for 20% off 'Millennipreneurs' Are Starting More Businesses, Targeting Higher Profits (article)  Big Mouth | Netflix Official Site Beyond the Barbell (podcast) Thrive Market (Official Mind Pump sponsor) One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more Glyphosate, pathways to modern diseases II: Celiac sprue and gluten intolerance (study)  Kimera Koffee (Official Mind Pump Sponsor) Coupon Code "mindpump" for 10% off Halo Neuroscience Prohormones Limitless (2011) – IMDb Why I Use Modafinil (Provigil) | Bulletproof - The Bulletproof Blog People Mentioned: Beyond The Barbell (@btbpodcast)  Instagram HAIM (@HAIMtheband)  Twitter Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfield)  Twitter Dave Asprey (@bulletproofexec)  Twitter Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@ifbbbenpak)  Instagram Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS Prime Pro, which shows you how to self assess and correct muscle recruitment patterns that cause pain and impede performance and gains. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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We talk about puberty, raging hormones. I thought it was gonna say boners. Raging hormones and we talk about boners. I got it. I got it. We do talk about boners. We talk about beyond the barbell becoming one of our, our go-to podcast, we actually hung out with the hosts of Beyond the Barbell, great guys.

Yeah, awesome guys. And then we had some fun conversation about me being coached by my girlfriend Jessica and the way we choose the music. And the music, it was special. Sometimes you get a lift weights to the saxophone. We're really proud of you. Yeah, so we are. It was special. Sometimes you get a lift weights to the saxophone. We're really proud of you.

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And then we get into the question. So the first question is, should you go into business with a family member? Is that a smart idea? No. Next question is. For a wise idea. Yeah, exactly. Next question is. Forb of idea. Yeah, exactly.

Can you achieve a high level of health, even if you can't afford to buy organic? Obviously, this person is not familiar with Thrive Market because the prices are ridiculous, but we do talk about. Yeah, they figured it out. We talk about the benefits of organic and really weighing them out.

And the second part of that question was was it better to consume You know produce that's got tons of pesticides or eat the standard American diet as if those are the only two ant that quiet choices Yeah, the third question was that's like like saying like I'm on an island. I have two choices to eat Yeah, this or this yeah, no, there's more there's more. Yeah, it's not more choices The third question was what are our thoughts on the growing popularity of Neutropic foods? I actually saw a protein bar the other day that was infused with Neutropics. Oh, that's so great. Yeah, it's getting in everything.

And then finally, how long does it take for you to start to lose muscle when you stop training? That's actually a very good question. We have a great discussion with that particular one. Also, we've been getting a lot of questions recently about our build your butt bundle. People are asking us what that's all about. So here's what it is. The build your butt bundle takes maps and a ballac and maps aesthetic to our most popular programs and it combines them and discounts the price. But what we also done is we've also included

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Fix that sleepy butt girl. Fix that sleepy butt, and die. Some dudes want them big booty mainly girl. Yeah, so that's what the Build Your Butt Bundle is. It's those two programs with a modification, and we've discounted everything. I think it's over 20% off. all you got to do to enroll is go to mindpumpmedia.com find the build your butt bundled click on it and sign up now can I tell you something people there's a lot of shit talk and we've even done

it jokingly about millennials but can I tell you something right now I have not this generation is more inventive and more entrepreneur minded than our generation was for sure. Well, when you look at for sure, because the tools are changing the whole game. It's because it needs, and it's cool. Everything needs invention right now. But it's cool to be an entrepreneur. Well, we're part of Google Facebook era.

Yeah. I mean, that's the mantra there. I mean, that's totally, that's, they encouraged all this, you know, they want this creative freedom and flexibility and they, like, they've been working with people. Yeah, yes, do your own thing. If you know anything about how they structure their work environment, it's totally designed.

It's a group mind. Yeah, it's definitely the group mind and these guys are very, but here's the thing though, here's the knock I'm gonna come back at you with with this, is that, you know, it sounds really cool and exciting, like when they come up with all these ideas and stuff, but the percentage still applies that freaking 90% of them will fail. It's cool to see the energy at that young of an age. And there's a little bit of a selection bias considering these are so far we're talking

about as people who are interning with us or are contracting with us and these kids are just they're hungry, they're smart, they're creative, they want to learn, they also want to grow and I don't know about you guys but I cannot help but like just fall in love with these kids. When these kids come in here like I have such a like Drew, you know, he's just this young kid, doing our editing, like, so, like, upbeat and has all these ideas and joy. Yeah, yesterday he was telling me all about

how he's learning neuroscience and all that, you know, in class, getting all fired up. I just wanna hug him. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna get him a headlock. So cute. Yeah, get him a little headlock. Keep that energy high before you get squashed by life.

But, you know what I mean? Keep it up. Go travel, get your shit out of your system. a little yeah get that energy high before you get squashed by life Keep it up go travel get shit out of your system. He was you'll never get it again You get a fucking real job You have to stay in you can't get up and travel The shit Little jealous Coming out I had to like you know, I'm just a little jealous. Totally. It's coming out, I had to, you know. It's funny when there was the extra sex. And who was it?

He was talking about how he was talking to some girl or was gonna talk to some girl and immediate, and I'm like, no girls. Like, don't waste your time on girls, bro. You're fucking slow, you know. Be a champion, there's plenty of time for girls. We're doing so much right now. Yeah, don't worry about the green.

Meanwhiles, his hormones are telling, fuck you. Have you guys seen the cartoon Big Mouth yet? Oh my God, I think I saw Netflix. Oh my, yes. I saw a little bit of that. I haven't watched it yet. Oh, it's terrible. I'll just watch five minutes of it.

It's terrible. It is terrible. I try to remember it though. I just remember it was terrible. Well, it's so the whole cartoon, right? It's very South Parkish, right? It's got that type of crude humor. But it's the whole cartoon is about teenage boys and girls.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Going through puberty. Oh, yeah, I saw the first episode. So periods and boners and like, like that is, and that is, there's a basically, the whole thing is around that. There's just one scene,

one scene, so it's just two, like the first episode, which is what I saw is like this two kind of nerdy kids, and one of the guys is going through puberty before the other guy. And he gets out of the shower and his buddy, he sees his buddy's dick and he's like, what the fuck?

And his buddy covers up and he's all self-conscious. Dude, it's so big and hairy. Mine doesn't look like that. And then on the flip side, the same guy is going through puberty. They depict his horniness as this hormone monster that comes out. It's a big giant dick. It's a big giant that comes out. Yeah. It was a big giant dick. It's a big giant dick.

It's a big giant dick. It's a big giant dick. And it's like, it's like, it's like in class, right? He's sitting in class and the monster comes up to me. The monster comes up and he's like, hey, what's up, buddy? He's like, not in here, man, I mean, class. He's like, come on, man, let's go to the bathroom.

I swear to God, that's so funny, because I had this like, skit idea of like this kid that, what gave this idea was the member teen wolf. So funny, because I had this like skit idea of like this kid that what what gave this idea was remember teen wolf like I would like I like amounted it to like being like you know as you're going through puberty Like it was like this monster that like you turned into like you like You walked around reaching boner just and you will smell bad love and your Harry you will love the show Katrina actually really likes it. She's we I think we've watched three or four episodes now. We typically put it on my head. That already won me over.

The one scene that killed me, bro, was he slept over his friend's house. So he's on the floor and the sleeping bag and his buddies and bad. There's so many stories that I know everybody can relate to. He's in his buddy's room, right? And then the horny monster, the hormone monster comes up.

He's like, hey man, your buddy, he's sleeping right now. Why don't you come on, why don't you rub one out? And he's like, no man, I'm in my friend's room. I can't be doing, he's like, come on man. Go away, you sleep right now. Why don't you come on, why don't you rub one out? And he's like, no, man, I'm in my friend's room. I can't be doing, he's like, come on man. Go away, go away. And he's like, he's like, hey, look at, he's like, I don't remember what he says.

There's a clock, there was a kitty clock. Oh yeah, there was a kitty clock. He's like, look at that kitty clock. Like, cause you know when you're like, everything turns into like, you're like, you're like, you're a little busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cause I was like, you can't block anything.

So he like jerks off and the next, he was buddy and then the next day his friend was kind of weird doing. He's like, oh fuck did he see me? Did he see me like goddamn why is he all weird? It's funny because it's obviously comedy, but you can relate so much. Oh it's extremely inappropriate. So it's not for kids whatsoever,

but it's fucking hilarious. I watch that tonight. It's super crude. I'm into it. That, to me the kid going through puberty and the whole relationship. Dude it's so true. Yeah me the the kid going through puberty and the the whole Relationship dude, it's so it's so true. Yeah, like every boy that went through puberty. It's struggle There's definitely a scene in there that you'll go like oh, I remember there's a dance

Oh, I remember I do the other side with the girl too So the girl like it gets her period and she's wearing white shorts at like some fuel trip and shit It's super graphic to do it. It's like over the top. Dude, I remember, I remember distinctly, like, I have good work on my dad in the morning, so it's like early in the morning, I'm like, I don't know, 13. We're driving in the, in the, in the, in this, is like big van.

He used to drive this big work van, right? This big old like, you know, loud van and we're driving to the work and half asleep. And it's like, you just fucking, you're just getting boners like for no reason all the time Yeah, and you're in a car with your dad You know I'm saying I used to get so mad like what the fuck I told you a boner when I was at a funeral

Like it was like somebody I knew and I was like, you know sad and everything I had a boner and I just it was so confusing Like no, why that's why this show is so great, because it's that conversation that you're having with yourself at moments like that. And they made it. They made a cartoon out of it. And it's just fucking, it's called Bigmouth on Netflix.

And I don't know how I came across it, but it's freaking hilarious. Those were the days. Yeah, I know. Those were the days when I was a simple, what all you had to think about was what was going on. Bro, when I was, I all you to think about was Bro when I was when I was I mean five times a when I was like 13 years old I actually got which is kind of common in in boys going through purity

I got a little bit of gynecumastia at 13 years old. Oh really? I did and I went to the doctor too much masturbating. No because I had it because Estrogen levels were trying to keep on with all the testosterone being held out. I went to the I went to the doctor and I remember and it was very mild like but I remember asking the doctor like what is it like what's going on And the doctor's like oh, that's normal your testosterone like my testosterone levels went from zero to five million It was like overlaid over night dude over night. It was terrible. I felt the same way too. Yeah. I was always I remember two. I remember being a kid and my son's I just think you remember when it happened like when I when I noticed that too. Like when I was in jazz or like so my mom would

drag me to jazz or size. I just really been in a jazz. I had to like wait till the whole class was done. I'm sitting there. She'd give me some toys or something to play with or whatever toys 17 Toys as read not her Here's just here's the Lincoln logs Might as well Yeah, we brought some Lego His stack them up I had to wait till anyway. So I was waiting till the class is over.

And then just one class in particular was like, whoa, this like rush of feelings of nervous. I feel like if all the girls dance around, yeah, it happens. Well the weirdest moments would always be when it would come on as a kid, when you were in a situation there was nothing hot or sexy about it. That's the worst.

Yeah, like, you're hanging out with your mom and dad and it's like, oh my god, this is disgusting right now. Like, I'm with my mom and dad right now. It was bad. Oh, it was terrible. I mean, it was. But every boy went through that. It was terrible, but looking back, right?

What a gift. Like, did you imagine if you had the ability? You imagine if you had the ability as a, you know, 35 year old, 40 year old male. Oh, my, actually, probably tortures. Yeah, it 40 year old male. Oh, I'm actually probably torturous. Yeah. It'd be torturous. It'd be cool for a week.

Don't you remember how torturous it was, a young boy? I remember driving my girlfriend crazy as a high school kid. Just all I want to do is kiss and touch boobs and grab ass. Like, it was, I remember to a point where it just, it raged me. Like, it, it, it, it en It enraged me like I would just be can't read like that like we just didn't mess around all the time. Like that's all we all you want to do

is a 17 year old boy. That's why the Hulk made sense to me. Yeah. Well I on several occasions hurt myself. That's how bad it was. Several occasions cause damage to myself because it was too it was too cranking too hard or too much. Yeah, it was too quick and too hard or

too much. Yeah, it was too much. You know what I mean? It's called that gator kick. What do you call it? After three. Anything after three is too much. It gets raw.

After three, but it's raw. Yeah, it was just, but that's a lot of testosterone. Wasted it on the young. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Wasted it on the young. So anyway, how'd you, what do you guys think about our boys from beyond barbell, man? Beyond the barbell.

Great dudes. Yeah. Like really, really cool guys. Oh, the smart, super cool. Like very intelligent guys. I really enjoyed talking to them about coaching and personal training and business because they understand, they understand the intricacies of leadership and personal training on a very, very high level.

I was very impressed with the way that they describe things and explain things and they both And they understand the intricacies of leadership and personal training on a very, very high level. I was very impressed with the way that they described things and explained things. And they both come across as two gentlemen with lots of integrity, which I really, really like. So really cool, man. I can't wait to, we'll see what happens with that episode. It's just exciting to meet people.

I guess from the old guard, they're kind of describing the true mentality of it going into the games and everything else and then kind of what happened as a result of the popularity and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, CrossFit's an interesting phenomena, isn't it? Just an interesting phenomenon. How it grew and they think they seem to believe that it's kind of reached a peak and it's kind of plateaued a little bit in terms of its growth. Oh, I think a lot of people will think, well, statistically, you can look it up as

far as the success of clubs. I mean, ever since like your orange theories and stuff now, I mean a lot of people will think I will statistically you can look it up as far as the successive clubs You I mean ever since like your your orange theories and stuff now I mean those they're definitely taking a piece of that pie before just five years ago CrossFit had that pie to themselves and now and not only it orange theories is one example of many other places that are trying to Take that model. They just they did it first. They did it first, they exploded. And now you're starting to see everybody else is kind of taking a page out of this like, okay, this small, I mean, we just were looking at photos of that red dot place, which is similar type of the only trying to create this little small atmosphere where you feel connected to your members and build the culture there.

It's, It's smart. And there's a lot of good to it. I think that we have gotten away from that with Big Box gyms. I know that most people don't talk to each other and that, and I don't think that's healthy for us as humans. No, the fitness, the Big Box gym went, they went wrong. They did, they really took a turn for,

which opened, it just all it did was open the door for other businesses, you know, like, the successes of CrossFit in particular with the female market and with exercise selection, like, you know, dead lifts and squats and the effective movements, was directly the result of the failure of what the gyms were failing at.

The avoidance of those failure of what the gyms were failing at. The avoidance of those types of issues. The gyms did a shit job of getting women to lift weights. They did a shit job of it, just terrible. Crossfit single-handedly in 10 years did more than the gyms did in 30 years in terms of getting women to actually want to lift weights, which I think is phenomenal. It's absolutely phenomenal.

So I'll give him credit all day long with that. Yeah, no. I struggle though, because I could never do class settings, like that I could never do a class. Yeah, no matter what. It's a tough monster. It is, it's just, I actually, I love and enjoy my headphones and my piece and lifting by myself.

Oh, I see what you're selling for your own workouts. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I'm not that type of, I know, and I can't be alone, right? There's gotta be other personalities that are like mine where I don't wanna talk to fucking Susie and James, you know, every, every, every Monday, when we're all sweating together, like, no, that's not me.

Like, I'm good with my relationships. If anything, I need to spend more time with those that I already love, like, I don't need to add more people in my, in my, in my, Are we just assholes? No, it's just to me, it's, I feel the same way. We're like fitness grinsches. Yeah.

But, no, I just think I, I think I have built my other forms of true meditation, but it's always been a happy place for me, a recovery time. I agree. It's always been that space for me. And yeah, I don't want to share it. I mean, it's even like Katrina and I,

when we live together, she respects that with me. It's like, I still wear my headphones. Like, I'm not talking to her. Like, I encourage her, hey, if you want to live with me and you want to do what I'm doing, absolutely. And of course, I'm watching her and stuff, like I encourage her, hey, if you want to live with me and you want to do what I'm doing, absolutely. And of course, I'm watching her and stuff, but she's got great mechanics.

So to me, it's like, that's my space, and that's my time, and I like to be with myself. So I totally agree with you. I love working out alone. I love putting my headphones on or getting into my space. But I tell you what, man, I've been working out with, now me and Jessica, when we work out together, we actually, like we work out together we actually like we

work out together and we coach each other and I you let her coach you I you know what's great about it absolutely wow you know why it's awesome first off having another pair of eyes on you is always great number two you know when I train I'm always have a tendency to let my ego take over a little bit or not judge a lift or and she'll check me and it's I respect her in that sense because she's a great in her own right She's an excellent trainer. She understands biomechanics very well She understands and balances very well so she'll give me some advice and If I find that I get and this is my own personal growth if I find that I'm like

Now I'm not gonna do it. You know, then I ask myself, like, why am I so resistant to what she's, you know. So did you find- I knew you're challenging that. That's pretty big. That's absolutely. Yeah, no, I'm very surprised. By the way, just because it's not a knock on you as a trainer,

that's just, I'm surprised it's so. Yeah. Even allows that to happen. So did you, when you first started doing this, did you struggle with that? Was did she like, like the very first time? Like there had been a time, right, where she'd never said anything before.

You guys worked out and all of a sudden she said, hey, your hips are rising a little too fast on your deadlift. So I would, so it happened like this. When I first started working out with her, I was coaching her a lot more than she was coaching me. Then we would incorporate flexibility stuff. I would have her coach me a lot

because she's a wizard when it comes to that. Just from her experience traveling with the Cirque du Soleil and training with all these like expert acrobat or whatever. So I would have her help me with that kind of stuff. Then she's such a sponge. She learns so quickly that I would start asking her questions like, hey, when I'm squatting, can you keep an eye on my hips or my knees? Let me know what this looks like or what do you notice here?

And she would point them out like, okay, at the bottom of squat, you're shifting the left or it looks like your knees are going in or your feet, especially my feet, I'd say watch my feet because I was always a tough one. And she'd be like, okay, your feet are pronating. So I would use her cues, I would cue her to give me cues. But now we've been working out so long together that if she's gonna give me advice, it's gonna definitely consider it.

And again, it's another pair of eyes for somebody that I trust. So you never really struggled with it then. You never really had it in them, where you're just like, you know where I struggle? I'll struggle when it comes to the pace of the workout, the intensity, because sometimes I think differently, like, no, we need to move at this pace or whatever.

And here's a big one, this is the one thing that we argue about when we work out with music. One thing, the one thing, because, and so now we've, we age old, worn, the team, members, and the gym. She likes, okay, so here's a deal, like when I work out, I don't work out to music I like to chill and listen to.

That's different music. The music I like to sit and listen to is nice music, it's fun, it can be great, whatever. When I lift, I want to lift to music that makes me fucking angry. I want to charge you. Yeah, I want to be fucking, oh, I know. Rage against the machine, lamb of God, you know, like, Sepultera, like I want to be fucking I know rage against the machine lamb a god, you know like Sepul Turra like I want to be

Yeah, she hates that shit like most people like a lot of people do what most women do Yeah, it's probably more distracting for no she likes to listen to you know like music that you would listen to like she likes to enjoy the music I'm like no, I can't I can't live to that like that's not so we compromise to where she'll pick Music on some days and I'll pick music yawning on other exactly on other days and the one the one genre that we can both lift to is 90s rap. I'm picturing this right now. So am I dude it's I got the same picture right now laughing right now I'm picturing south a shirt off the garage with this girl stretching in the splits position and

there's some fun. I'm seeing hammer pants. No. And two legit good two quits in the background. No like two pock or a dr. Dre you know what I'm saying? No no no. But you popular. Yeah. Like real ice shit.

Exactly. That's the only music that's the only music where both can like lift hard to Tonloke Mama said knock you out Actually Actually this morning we had an argument over it because she's like, she hooks her phone up and she's like, oh, I'm gonna put music on. I'm like, no, no, no.

You got yesterday. I'm like, yeah, today's a heavy day. That's my workout day. She's like, no, no, no, you said that I would. And I'm like, whatever, put your music on. So she's like, fine, we'll put yours on. I'm like, why? She's like, because I don't like to listen to my music if I know you're fucking hating

it. And then what happened? Dude God bless yourself God bless you know, you know what happens even that conversation right there I'm done That's the No, who knows to you do cuz that after that conversation doesn't you're out. That's it You were in a lot of you were in you were in you were into the workout now you're out of the work That's it now you work out by the workout now. That's it. Now you work out by yourself.

No, that's the only thing. You know what it is? It's because I'm an asshole. If I do let her put, if she does put music on, then what all these I'll make fun of the music while we're working out. Oh no. Yeah, so I'm a dick.

I'm just mad with movies. You know what I mean? I cannot watch anything. She should be like, come on. I'm making fun of it. Just let me, I want to listen to country. Like, please, I'm like, all right, that's cool.

Yeah, I can put country on. It's fine. You can do then while it's on I'll be making fun of it. You know singing it along and joking around. It's like it's not the same I ruined the whole twilight series for my wife. Yeah, yeah I'm a fucking vampire and I glitter Power. Yeah, she's like shut up Just you know being observant. Yeah, this they have. This is what they have to offer. I had lost boys. Yeah, this.

What is this? So anyway, so this morning we worked out to rage against machine. You won the argument. That was it. Tomorrow she gets the game. That is she pout when you do that? Or is she good?

Is she solid? No, she's cool. She's totally, she's down. She'll listen to it and work out. But tomorrow we're gonna listen to like, I'm pretty sure we're gonna listen like, Jubelle or, Hame or something like that.

No, which is good music, but it's not lifting music. What is that? I don't even know what that is. It's like, it's kind of like, I don't know how to explain. Hame is like, it's like pop kinda. Actually, love their music. I love them. They're like some of my favorite artists.

I just don't lift weights to them. And then Jubelle's kind of like, it's almost like transy, but not, you know, I don't know how to explain it. I'll have to play some music. Yeah, you got me lost right now. I'm trying to, I want to picture what you get here. I hate that I don't know.

You know what I'm gonna do? Yeah, I'm gonna pull up one of their songs. You have to see, you guys can see. Cause I wanna hear what this music is. That's like, oh man, now. I need to try and picture myself in the garage lifting to something like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's see, I think this is, let's all get to this place. I think this is the song that Sherry's like to listen to Hello in one second. We'll wait for it to start start playing Yeah, right here. She loves this fucking group right here. Okay, it's really does have a breakdown at least no Like it's good music You want to make love to it? I'm not trying to lift to it. I'd be like dead lifting at this point. No, this is for trigger days, bro. I get the foundation I want to do. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I can't do it. You know what? I'm just sacked.

Sal gets the award. You're the better man. You got two patients award of the year. 2017 man of the year for my Sal wins I tell you what I Because I give you yeah because I value it. I get something out of it too So you got to give you got to give somebody get some oh wow I I'm not even gonna work out to lead to sex sometimes, I know. This Quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition,

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Yeah, don't do it. Yeah, I think that's, that, I think it's an extremely bad idea. I think if you're actually asking a question about it, that's even another cue that you're flag, flag, flag, flag. You're already telling yourself. Isn't that like business rule number one? Well, never getting to business with family. Now that that being said, I have a sister that works for the company.

But you're not partners. Well, yeah, we're not partners. Not only that, but we make a conscious effort to separate her from me. So I am in no communication. So she works for our company, and I don't even communicate with her ever about business. And it's put into place for that reason because I don't ever want her doing a good job or a bad job ever to affect my love for her as a sister and that's inevitable if you work in a company. Like there's definitely times where I guarantee that it doesn't go perfect or something that she's

supposed to do and if she if I was having to directly manage her that would be a lot of stress for me because you know if she was a normal just a normal person and not my sibling I'd probably rip her ass or fire over it. So, you know, you got to understand that you've got a business to run, but then you also have your love for your family. Those are not two things that makes you great.

You get to create those boundaries right away. Here's the first tip I'll give you. If you're going to do it, you're going to go into business with your brother or your family member. Here's tip number one, don't do it, but if you're going to do it, this is what you need to do. Be very explicit and write everything out in your agreement. Make sure it's on contract.

What I'm responsible for, what you're responsible for, if this doesn't happen, this happens. That piece right there. Put that shit in writing. That piece is so important that you can reference it. You separate too, and this will force you to also have to learn to let go of parts of the business. Like you just have to agree that, okay, Mikey, you run the finances, the marketing, and

any sort of onboarding of employees or members, whatever the hell you're doing, right? And then I'm going to run, you know, any content creation, any sort of, you know, business relationships or whatever, but you need to make sure that you have your silos that you run and you don't dip into his and he doesn't dip into yours. And spell out an exit plan in your paperwork when you first start your business. Do not wait to write up the paperwork

after you guys are making money. You've already fought, you're screwed. Do it before a single dime is made, before anybody invest anything, literally spell out what percentage they own, percentage you own what percentage the profit we get How much we're gonna spend who's in control what and if one of us wants to boot the other one What is the process and if one of us wants to leave? What is the process spell that shit out so and then make sure you talk to each other and say look?

This is business. It's not gonna to get in between our, you know, as family. It's going to be in writing. And whatever happens, we're going to follow this. We're not going to let feelings get in because otherwise you're fucked. If you do, if you do a good job doing that, what's Sal saying right now, I think if you do, if you really think it all out, like, okay, let's look at worst case scenario, we do this business for a while. It doesn't take off. And then, but one guy wants to fight and keep it along. The other guy doesn't want to.

What does that scenario look like? How do we handle that? And if you write it on paper, and you, and, or you agree to it together, I think it's, it eliminates, it eliminates that. It's like, oh, here we are. This situation did end up happening. Of course, you don't want that to happen,

but it's inevitable. Something's gonna happen. Including, what do we do if this thing ends up being huge and we're making tons of money and we eventually have to hire more employees who's going to be responsible for what, who makes so much. You got to definitely communicate. It's almost exactly the same advice I give to somebody that's trying to get married. Don't do it.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Number two, if you're going to do it, you want X, Y, and B everything else. Talked about, considered, and B, everything else, talked about, considered, and written down an illegal contract. Yeah, because I think people go into it and they're like, oh, but we're family, like we'll figure it out, like we're friends.

Oh, you get along so well. Yeah, and no, that's a huge, because then what ends up happening, almost every time is the business starts to, you guys are grinding, and one of them is like, fuck, you know, I'm doing all the work, or the other one says, I put in all the money. He resents somebody.

Yeah, listen, my sister and I are the best of friends and have an incredible relationship. And part of the reason why I think we have an incredible relationship is because of having the foresight to make decisions like that to make sure, because I absolutely, I mean, Sal makes fun of me all the time for being moody. I absolutely am affected by this business and what we're currently doing at such a good age. It's so stupid for you.

If things are not going well, I'm sometimes paying the ass to be around, and you better believe if my sister was dropping the ball on something or around me, and I had to communicate too on a daily basis, I might not be the most awesome person to be around. So I would not even want to put myself in that situation. So I think you got to understand how if you really love your sibling, you want to make sure that you think it all the way through on all the worst-case scenarios that could happen in this situation and communicate them and communicate them early. So you each agree and know and I think that it's possible. I don't think it's not possible. I think there's plenty of exceptions to the rule of people that have built businesses or companies with a family. And look at your family dynamic. This is important now. Let's say you and your brother, you guys grew up together, right? So who tends to be the big brother or the leader and who tends to be the follower?

Talk about that. Talk about it, spell it out, because that can be very difficult to deal with when you're in business with your big brother who is used to being the dude in charge, but you're the one who has the idea as you're the one driving the business. Right, this is my operation.

Like, he might not deal with that very well. So sit down and spell it out. Like look, you know, John or Mike, you're whatever look. I know you're my big brother or whatever, but I think I'm better in this particular way. And I tell you what, if this preliminary talk that we're talking about goes bad, there's your sign. Like, if you can have a business talk with your brother

and you can sit down and spell shit out and say, look, I'm better at this, so I'm gonna do that. And you guys are cool with it and you sign everything and it's all, that's a good sign. But if you sit then you start arguing over that kind of bullshit, right out the gates, then you are, you know, like this ain't going to be cool because I guarantee you're going to encounter some challenges with your business where you're going to want to strangle each other and it being close to each other like brother, you know, brothers are, that just adds a whole other element of difficulty.

So. Next up is Jess G. Veggie. Can someone achieve a high level of health, even if they can't afford to purchase organic? Is it better to consume pesticide-laden produce or just eat like all the other Americans? So there's two questions here. The first one, it used to be,

if you wanted to eat organic, you had to spend a lot more money. And what I used to tell people was this, was look, it's definitely an investment in your health. It will save you money long term to be healthy, cost you less in both productivity. It'll cost you less in healthcare costs. It's gonna make you feel better

It's give you a better quality life if you eliminate some of the other things you spend money on like your daily Starbucks or whatever You could save them on but today you know companies like thrive market that's right that are coming in and They're solving this problem like that's what I mean that was part of the why we were so excited to partner with these guys is They're they're gonna be around for a while and they're gonna make a huge dent in this exact, that's the biggest problem in the past was, oh my God, I can't eat organic because I'm broke, but now that they're getting rid of that to where I can buy almost anything

through Thrive Market at the grocery store that's comparable or even less than like your standard Safeway, Savemark type foods, but it's all organic and sort, I mean, you can't, now it's just, now it's really just an excuse that we're using, right? Because we're, oh, I'm too lazy to go through the process to, or go down to a farmer's market, right?

Because there's your other option if you don't want to go. Yeah, it's all there if you're interested in it now. Like if you're pursuing quality, and I think it's just, you have to, you have to prioritize these things as far as like importance like do I want to Fill my body up with things that are actually nourishing me or am I just you know mindlessly kind of like getting calories in calories out

And I'm monitoring it that way, you know like you have to start thinking like long term about like the health ramifications I wouldn't my putting into my body. I tell you, this is how it works with Thrive Market. You pay a membership fee, I think it's a one-time fee, and then you get access to all these organic non-GMO products for really, really low prices. You would normally pay for a conventional product. So if you compare it to its non-organic version, like if you get organic cheerios versus non-organic,

normally the organic version's more expensive, but I thrive market, it's not gonna be. But one thing that they did that I really liked, well first off, if you use our code, which I'm sure we told you at the beginning of this episode, you'll get discounts and a lot of stuff. But what I really like about this is sometimes even that membership fee is difficult for families, right?

If you're a disenfranchised or single parent, I can't pay a membership fee or go online free one to a family in need. So what I like about all this is the obvious, but what I like more about it is what it's showing is that the market is moving in this direction. So this kind of a question won't be a question in the near future. So what I like about this is that the market is moving in this direction. So this kind of a question won't be a question in the near future. You're not going to hear it. I don't even think it's a question now, I think.

And here's the thing, and this is hard for a lot of people to swallow. Like it's okay to accept that I'm just not ready. I'm just not ready to make those sacrifices for yourself. Like, in other words, more than likely, because at least in my experience, I have yet to meet a client who's given me this as an excuse that I can't find somewhere where they're wasting

the same amount of money in other things, whether it be entertainment, whether it be sodas, coffees every single day, candy habits, whatever the fuck it is, there's something else in their life that's not serving them the same way that eating healthier would serve them, that they're making a choice. And that's fucking okay, it's your life.

Do what you want with it. But when I get people that ask me questions like that, I always put it back on them and say, listen, there's now we have resources like Thrive Market, like Farmers Market, there are things, and we were just talking off line the other day about how much we've seen Farmers Market. There are things, and we were just talking offline the other day about how much we've seen Farmers Markets pop up. It's crazy. I remember that used to be something that you never saw

or once a month or once a, I mean, there's one going every day now here in the city. I mean, you can find one somewhere. So there's, and now they even have these places too, where it's a straight farm to where they give you the, I've you've seen you guys every time. Those boxes, yeah, that box is, and it's all whatever's. CSA is my wife's gonna do that. Yeah, right, so I mean,

the, their source is out there. It's just, and I think, thrive markets making it very easy for everybody. You just have to prioritize it because I see a lot of people with cell phones and cell phone bills and people, you know, cable and all these other extra expenditures, you know, expenditures, you just have to prioritize it. But now that it's not that much more expensive

or not more expensive at all, it's true, there is no excuse. Now, the second question was, was a ridiculous question. Is it better to consume pesticide-laden produce or eat a standard American diet? I don't like questions like that because it's either or. Yeah, it's either or and it's like,

let's take a first off. How about neither? Yeah, why do we need to choose either one? First of all, standard American diet is horrible. It's horrible on a macro level. It's horrible. It's on a calorie level. It's horrible on a nutrient level.

It's horrible on pesticide and herbicide level. So it's just, I mean, pretty much anything you compare to that is going to be better. But when people talk about things with pesticides and herbicides, up until relatively recently, we really haven't had a whole lot of research showing that some, these things are contributing to some of our chronic health problems. But now we're starting to see some evidence that a lot of the chronic health problems. Now I'm not talking about you eating a vegetable and getting sick right away or even a week later, nothing like that.

What I'm talking about is you're 40 years old and boom, you have an autoimmune disorder or you get cancer in your 70s or you get heart disease or diabetes when maybe you're not even overweight but you start to get those things. These are chronic issues that are becoming so much more prevalent today, and many experts are connecting it not to the fact that we overeat, but more so even to the quality of our food and the things like antibiotic use, pesticide use, herbicide use, and the other chemicals and stuff that we put in our food that have these long-term effects which are terrible, they're terrible, and they're generational. For example, when we consume products that contain glyphosate or have been used with pesticides, the first generation to consume them will have some effects to their microbiome diversity.

But that microbiome is what gets passed on to our offspring. And we're seeing a reduction in diversity with each successive generation to the point now where, I mean, when we were kids, people were eating shitty just like they are now, but we didn't see food allergies like we do now. Why are food allergies all of a sudden to start and explode?

Well, it starts to happen on a generational basis. This is a big fucking problem. So I think it's smart for you to choose organic foods that have a lower, I have no synthetic pesticides or lower loads of things like glyphosate. But I think it's also very smart for your kids, for their health, and then for the future because by giving your money to these

organizations that produce these products, you're showing the market that there's more of a demand and think more companies like Thrive Market will come out and will produce these products at lower prices. So support what you want to see more of. And I think that's something that everybody can benefit from. Next question is from Christopher Boycemba. What are your thoughts on the growing popularity of Neutropic Foods? Here we go.

Yeah, here we go. Neutropic market is the... It's the new supplement market, right? It's the new pre-workout. Pre-food. It's what pre-workout was five years ago. It's become that, it's annoying me as much as that is too. We have coffee, chimera, that has neutropics already in it, right?

So does it mean that I'm like, oh, there isn't benefits to it or, oh, I don't see this, that I think it's all bad or it's whatever. It's the hype behind it. It's like, you don't what you don't hear us saying is about, like, chimera coffee is gonna change your life. It's gonna be, if you want to get these new tropics in you, your workouts are gonna be way better than they've ever been. It's like, oh, it's gonna be like cereal, laced with cretin.

It's, it's, it's, it's, uh, They make that a better cool. Can't, can this stuff help? Is it give you a little bit of an edge? Like sure, I guess if all, all other things considered, right? Like if your sleep was good. Yeah, I was gonna say, here's a Neutropic

for you to get good sleep. Right, you know what I'm saying? Like if you, if you slept really well, if you've got your workouts in, you've eating a balanced diet, you're doing all these things that you should be doing first, hydrated, yada yada. And then on top of that,

you add this Neutropic to give you this extra sharp focus whenever you're doing. Here's the neutral, the neutral pick market is interesting because there are what are considered natural neutral picks, which are just compounds that you find in nature like alpha, GPC, theaning is an amino acid that you can combine with caffeine that can give you a kind of a better buzz, if you will. There's a few others that are natural out there, but then there's this whole market that's exploding with synthetic nitropics.

There's the class of... Dr. Pompa, I'm not a fan of it. There's the racetem class of chemicals like Pericetem, Anaeracetem, Oxyceracetem, Fennel restetem, so many, you know, racetem now. I can't even keep up with them. Then there's new pepped. Then there's like prescription drugs that some people will promote like Medofinil

and some others and then some people will say things like nicotine. Yeah, nicotine can have some neutrophic. Here's how I feel about synthetic neutropics. It's the same way I feel about synthetic anything. Sometimes they're fun, sometimes they can give you a boost. Definitely don't use them all the time. That's gonna give you a headache. Yeah, I don't, I do not subscribe to the trend right now where they're saying, take these synthetic nitropics all the time because they're good for your brain.

Definitely. I don't subscribe to that. I'm sorry, I don't, I don't believe that, I don't believe taking anything synthetic is good for your brain unless it's treating a particular, you know, trouble that you have or something. Yeah. I don't think it's a good idea. And my experience with synthetic and tropics is I have there a lot of fun. I respond really well to them. I definitely can find myself feeling a little speedy, a little sharper, it feels like my

verbal fluency seems to improve and increase. The problem that I notice is I build a tolerance to it really quick. I build a tolerance and I notice Really quick, I build a tolerance, and I notice it withdrawal when I start to go off of them. That tells me right away that my body is trying to adapt to this synthetic product, which is not a good thing, because that means I'm down regulating something, and I'm reducing the production of something

that's natural in my brain in order to, as I continue to take these products, not something I recommend long-term. I really don't think it's a good thing. And you've got all these, we've had, I'll tell you what, we've had more over the last six months, we've had more neutropic companies come after us, then some of them are.

Our name is kind of perfect for if you think about it. Mine, mine. Well, it's such a tough thing for us too because every one of us experiment and have used it, right? And I think that can be fun. Yeah. And I think that's the hard thing. I have their place.

I like it actually. I feel like I can promise our listeners this. If there's anything that ever hits the market that is like game changing, you better fucking believe we'll be talking about it., we'll be talking about it. And we'll be talking about it like that, like holy shit, this is totally changed health and fitness. We've had nothing like this since the invention of creatine.

Well, it's just interesting. Everything is going now to the brain, right? Like a lot of focus there, even with training. And so that's why, I mean, I'm actually experimenting with Halo, sport headphones because, you know, with neural priming, I'm interested in it. Like I just want to know like what that feels like, what kind of like sensation that's going to bring,

like is that really going to have any kind of effect on me? And my movement quality or like my adaptability as far as like complex movements, that kind of stuff. So I don't know, you know, some things are like, you know, obviously that's the 1% kind of people that will notice benefit. I'm sure because, you know, going from already having all those things set in place

and ready to go and like operating efficiently, now I can kind of experiment and see like just something else. I always feel like two people, it's like, if you, if you have the finances, right? If you have the finances, you have the discipline To be like a Ben Greenfield where you really like are taking care of like all the major things and then you like to experiment with these things Like I you know and you have money and it's like who cares if I spend because I tell you what the thing that I think is really Fascinating about this the new trop this new tropic market right now is as expensive as fuck for something that doesn't even come close

to working like a lot of other things too. So it's the promises that are attached to that's gross. Yes, so that's, you know, so but if you've got the money, right? Like if you've got the money to spend on something like that, then why not? And as long as you use it responsibly and you take some of the advice that's out saying right now, that be careful that you take a synthetic version of that. Because I think there's a difference, a difference between synthetic ones and then ones that we find in nature that are natural. Even some of the, even some of the natural ones that co-ling, you know, high doses of co-ling over long periods of time

may not necessarily be good for you if you're a man for prostate In fact, they might have connected it to some some enlargement issues there So you got to look at everything and pay attention to like with natural stuff Am I going to take too much of it? typically natural Typically is typically better for the body has less chance of these kind of you problems that may arise, but that doesn't mean they're devoid of them, but synthetic in particular, I'll tell you what, with synthetic neutropics,

it's definitely a sympathetic response. Like when I take a synthetic neutropic, I get more hyper. Now, if you're somebody who is like, oh, I need to take a neutropic because I'm fatigued all the time. I don't have the energy to work. I need more focus.

And the problem may be, HPA axis dysfunction. It may be that your body's not responding to quarters all the way, it should. You're gonna supplement something that's gonna activate more of a sympathetic response. Yeah, not a good idea. You're kicking the can down the road. It's like that yourself back.

You're gonna create a situation where you'll get to a point where now you're taking neutropics, you're drinking caffeine, you're doing these different things just to be normal. And then you start to feel shitty on them. What do you do up the dose? Now side effects come into play and all these other things. So I don't, and here's, the other thing was synthet

with some of these neutropics is, I just, we got, I'm not gonna and here's, the other thing was synthetic with some of these, these neutropics is, I just, we got, I'm not gonna say which one, because I'm not gonna put them on blast, because the people are nice and, you know, whatever, and, but if they push it too far, I will put them on blast. They, I got a sample at one of the last, of the tripe, yeah.

One of the last things that, you know, expose it went to, of this product, that was a Neutropic, and it was full of these synthetic, Neutropics. Some of these were from the racetam category of Neutropics. And I'm looking at these, I'm like, I've never heard of these. And I'm pretty up and up in that world in terms of knowing the names and where they came from. And I'm like, what are these?

So I went online and I started doing my research. One of them was produced by, like I think it was a Japanese pharmaceutical company, they abandoned it, so they made it and they never got it to market because it didn't pass certain trials, they didn't see. And it was like, there was like three ingredients in there that were like that. And I'm like, so here's these pharmaceutical companies

that invented this, decided not to go through, decided not to go through with producing them because either it wasn't efficacious or it had too many side effects or it was to expose something, right? They just decided we're not gonna bring it to market. These, this Neutropic Company, this Supplement Company is scouring these journals for obscure chemicals

that they can create the prohormone. That's how prohormone. Yeah, so they pro hormone. That's how pro hormones. Yeah, so they got to that's how they got real big and that whole gray market is they were scaring the market for These abandoned chemicals well people don't they could produce and it's all gray market because legally You can't you're not legally able to sell them to humans. You have to literally say Not for human consumption. Although they are now, you are now seeing them say, oh, it's for people, take them twice a day, because nobody's saying shit to them, but the time is gonna come, I guarantee you,

someone's gonna come, the FDA's gonna come crashing down on them pretty soon, because that was a push in the limit. That was a perfect example, what Justin just said. It's exactly like the pro hormone phase. Would I remember that like yesterday? Yeah. When we could go down to your local max muscle or whatever, or vitamin place and go get under the behind the counter a supplement that one testosterone. Right. And it was, you know, one molecule different from, you know, the real testosterone, right? And so they were actual

Though they weren't pro hormones because pro hormones are yeah, right are compounds that your body turns into hormones So it's a pro hormone these were actual designer steroids. I know I bought them I took them right it was literally a steroid and the funny thing is with all the side effects yeah Worse so I took one. I'll never forget, I took Superdrawal. Superdrawal was one of the big ones. Metal Masterdrawal, Superdrawal, Halladrawal, One Test Ostrall. I remember taking these and it was like, oh fuck, like what is going on here?

Like, within a week, it was like, I built all this muscle, I was holding all this water, lots of strength. So I'm kind of like, you know, and I'm very analytical so I'm trying to figure out what's going on, and I thought it was a pro-hormone because that's how they market them. And I'm learning that these are actual designer steroids, but the reason why they were never even produced

by pharmaceutical companies is they were harsher on the liver. They were harsher in terms of side effects than like Diana Ball and Anadryl, which are some of the steroids that are not good for you. My first bout of Guy No Mastia came from over the counter. I had taken steroids before that, didn't have any side effects yet in my life. I took two rounds, okay, back-to-back bottles of the test, or not test, what was the other one that was popular?

Fuck, what am I? There's one testosterone. There's methyl master. Later, later, it's like, it's um. Epistane. No, no, no, no, no. Goddamn, it's gonna piss me off at can't think of the name.

There was a trinne ball. Trinne ball. Yeah, there was one that was actually. Trinne ball. Yeah. So it was the trin, and I think it was like, trinx was the brand or some shit. It's like trinble-own, but it's not.

Yes, right, and it was just, and I took two rounds of that two bottles. The first bottle was blown away by the results. Oh shit, this is over the counter. Yes. So ran back, bought another one right away. And then that was the first time I'd ever experienced kind of massed you.

So yeah, no there, and then what they do is sooner or later, enough of those cases come forward. So then some finally, the FDA comes in, puts a stop to it and says, hey, this is now in the steroid category. So now that one is banned. Then the next person comes and changes one more molecule from it. You know, saying like just a little bit different. And then mouse.

Yeah, it's a cat mouse game. And they just keep playing that game because in that short amount of time, they can make enough money. It's not a big deal for it to get wiped off the counter, you know, until the entire market for it is no more. I think we're seeing the same thing with Neutropics. I think people are starting to push the boundaries to get more and more like the movie limit limit.

I'm sure they're already on to the next, you know, blend or whatever. Dude, let me tell you something. With some of these Neutropics, some of these synthetic Neutropics, we are already getting reports of neuropathy in some people where they're getting tingling in their face, so their fingertips, or...

Did you say one of them had like blinding effects to it? So that was a charm. That was a charm, which is another, it's the same thing, like it's that whole gray market, we're gonna make up, we're gonna sell some shit that we don't know what's gonna do and people are gonna take it, but no, there was, there was, there's a neutropic,

well it's a neutropic, right, but it's called a draffinill, which gets converted to a medaphinell in the body. Medaphinell is a prescription, so you can't buy it over the counter because you have to get prescribed. You get prescribed. It's like what they would give like fighter pilots

to stay awake when they were doing their missions and shit. And then they started giving it to the Super Adderall. It's a wakefulness agent, right? I know Dave Asprey, you know, raves about it, but it's not something you should fucking pay. Dave recommends that. Oh yeah. What the fuck?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Modaphanel, he talks about it all. It's fucking irisplastic. He talks about it all the time. So, but so a draft vanilla is a compound that gets converted to Modaphanel by the liver. It's gray markets, so you can buy it over the counter.

Oh, one of the major side effects of it is you can get the, like, facial ticks that never go away. So it's just, it's like if you dig, it keeps on giving it. You gotta dig deep enough and do some research and go on like page two of Google because page one is like, fucking owned.

By all the people, try to sell it. Right. So everything you're gonna read is like, why it's so good for your, they will literally tell you that not only is it gonna give you neutral pick benefits, which okay, you can make an argument that it might give you some benefits there,

but they'll tell you it's good for you. Like, oh, this is something you should always take because it's really good for your brain. I'm like, I don't know about that. That might not be a good idea. That's a scary part. Next question is from Johnny Dumbbells. Hey, my boy.

Johnny Dumbbells., my boy. Johnny Dumbels. How long does it take without training to see noticeable muscle loss? Three days after recovery. And that's a total arbitrary number, but it's pretty damn accurate. It's pretty easy. Your body is always, it's constantly adapting.

So there really is no, like if you work out and you're at a high level and you've built like muscle and you're reaching kind of your genetic limit and you're training and you're at a high level and you've built like muscle and you're reaching kind of your genetic limit and you're training and you're like, oh, I'm just maintaining now. No, what you're doing is you're shrinking and building, shrinking and building. Yeah. Do you know, and people don't realize this, that this is, and this is the shitty truth,

that the more, the more buff, it is the shitty truth, the more buff you are, the more muscle you've had to, and the more volume you've had to create in your training in order to get to the size you are, the faster it goes the other direction. Because if you've done, because we all have like this genetic potential, right? And if you're pushing the upper echelon of your genetic potential,

your body really is more comfortable back down in the smaller place, right? So it will, and if you don't, if you're not sending that signal and you're not stimulating and you're not hitting that volume, the minute you lay off of it, so, and that's why I say three days from recovery. So let's say you just train, you know, legs really hard on Monday and it's now Thursday and you don't, you're not sore anymore, you're fully recovered.

And now if you, let's say you don't work out legs anymore, atrophy is already set in, three days after that. It's already starting to happen. Yeah, and there's definitely a genetic component there, but consider your body looks the way it does because of the signals you're sending it. So once you stop sending those signals, your body has no need to do that in your environment.

You are. Now there is, there are ways to achieve more dare I say for lack of a better term permanent muscle and there really is no way to have permanent muscle but there are ways of training that will give you muscle that is more resilient to sustainable muscle. Yeah, and that has to do with hyperplasia, muscle fiber, hyperplasia. So when you lift weights to train to build muscle, you have muscle fiber hypertrophy. This is where the muscle fibers themselves thicken and grow so that they can contract harder.

Over time, though, with volume, lots of volume, especially frequency, frequency seems to be doing this the most. And long-term training, so like I've been doing this for 10 years now with this frequent type of volume, especially frequency. Frequency seems to be doing this the most. And long-term training, so like I've been doing this for 10 years now with this frequent type of signal, muscle fibers will actually split, and you'll have one muscle fiber will become two muscle fibers. Now, those muscle fibers can grow and they can shrink, but once you've made more muscle fibers,

the evidence suggests, because we don't know this for sure, but the evidence suggests that those muscle fibers don't go away. I can for sure for personally, and then people that I know. So once I had taken enough antibiotics, I've been training for over 10 years of lifting consistently, I broke through this wall. I could never get to 200.

Now, once I got over there and I pushed my body up to 230, you'll never see me get below 200. So I definitely know that I've seen, I mean, not working out, even if I were to not work out, I can still hold my body weight and muscle mass higher than where I was 15 years ago. Yeah, it's interesting because even Dr. Andy Gelpin, when he was here and talking about,

because he actually does like biopsies and like seas, like like real tangible evidence, sometimes that you know that this does occur. Look at Ben Pekowski. Yeah. Ben Pekowski. Oh, what a great example. Ben Pekowski, he's fucking trying to get small.

He's trying to. Yes. And he's lost a lot of muscle. He's not nearly as big as he was when he was competing, but he's way bigger than most people. Yeah, he's never been. Well, he's and he's lost a lot of muscle. He's not nearly as big as he was when he was competing But he's way bigger than most people ever be well He's he's 300 he was easy losing muscle. He used to be 300 pounds I think he's now down to like two 70 or some two 50 or somewhere like that and the guys like training once to three times a week He's like

Restricting calories. Yeah, he's eating eating once to two times a day. That's it. You know where you see this a lot. You see this when you meet. I'll never forget. I was, this one I had my personal training studio. This old guy walks in, who's, I think he was in his 80s or late 70s. He walks, he was eating breakfast next door because my gym used to be next to this popular breakfast joint. So he walked by, he looked in, he must have seen the weights,

and he walks in, and he's this shorter dude, kind of stocky, but I could tell he's in his 70s or 80s. So he walks in, I shake his hand, and he's got this fucking meat hand, like this thick meat hand, and these little forearms that were just muscular. And I'm like, oh man, I'm like, you know, what's your name? And I don't remember what his name was. He's Russian guys like Vasiliev or whatever. I'm like, oh, you know, he's like, oh, I see you have

Ketalbell and he's like, fucking with the Ketalbell and I'm hanging out with the guys I love talking to like old timers who used to work out. And so I'm assumed that this dude lifts weights every day because of the way he looked. I assumed you worked out. So I'm like, hey, I'm like, so how often do you lift fights? He's like, oh, I haven't lift weights for 40 years.

I'm like, what do you mean you haven't lift weights for 40 years? He goes, no, I don't do anything anymore. But he used to be a competitive weightlifter and coach for weightlifters. This guy did weightlifting in the Soviet Union for a long time, stopped working out years ago, but he's just got this permanent like muscle on his hands and forearms that you can tell was from gripping the weights. I also see this with like my dad who works construction or he's retired now, it doesn't

do anymore, but he's still got like remnants of my soul. I was like, you built it, but they're still functioning, you know, with the same muscle fiber. So it's like, you know, it's sort're still functioning, you know, with the same muscle fibers. So it's like, you know, it's sort of like maintains that level that you're at. It's crazy. No, there's definitely something to be said about that. And I think, you know, giving those examples are, for Ben Pagolski, to me, is like such a glaring example of that.

Like he's trying to glue, he's like trying to lose as hard as he can. And it's just, and I can see the way his frame is shaping up that it'll never all go away. You can just, I can look. His legs are so massive. And he barely trains them anymore. Yeah. And I mean, that was his calling card when he was a pro,

right? These massive wheels. His legs are fucking, like if you put, like my legs with Justin's legs, they are probably the same size as this. Probably, yes, probably, you size as this. Yes, probably. Equal. It's probably equal.

You and me. Yeah. So, you know, your body, I mean, I guess the takeaway from this is your body is constantly adapting to your environment to what you're doing. When you stop exercising, your body will adapt in that direction. The good news is this. The good news is of all the adaptations that you lose, strength, you tend to lose slower

than things like stamina and endurance. Like if you're an endurance athlete or you train for stamina and you don't train for a week, you'll lose fucking stamina, pretty damn quick. I remember when I wouldn't do Jiu Jitsu for a week, I'd go back to that. You also get it quick too, though. You do, and you gain a quick.

Strength can take a little time. You can keep strength for a little while. Like if I stop lifting weights and after two weeks and I go back,. Strength can take a little time. You can keep strength for a little while. If I stop lifting weights, and after two weeks, and I go back, I'm gonna have a decent amount of strength. You know, you left and with my workouts. It's like overall maintenance of fast twitch movement in general, to maintain that sort of response. Like if you just lose that response,

you will lose it for, you know, it'll be hard to get back. That's why it was always crazy to me when people were like, oh, I don't wanna get big muscle, cause then if I stop working out, it's all gonna go away. And I'm like, well, no shit. Of course, it's gonna go away when you die. They just wanna work out once and then never- Right, the idea is the key.

It's funny that a lot of people think that way though. The idea is to keep working out, right? Yeah, that's the idea. So, so check this out. Go to YouTube, mind pump TV. You have to see what Justin just put up on that channel. There's a new video every single day.

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