Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 706: Avoiding Excessively Intense Training, the Kratom Craze, Managing the Social Media Time Suck & MORE

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Starting point is 00:04:37 I know you had this parking lot, our thief. Sarah Toga, what's up going on? It's your elite mineral water. I'm drinking Mexican water. You know what? Can I say something real quick about Mexican water? I love Topo Chico, it's your elite mineral water. I'm drinking Mexican water. You know what, can I say something real quick about Mexican water? I love topochico, what's that? We were talking about like marketing strategies

Starting point is 00:04:53 and stuff like that. We talked about Brussels sprouts. How that used to be, what if you had to represent, if a food had to represent all things discussed, I think it was Brussels sprouts. Yeah, that was the reference. You'd be like, Brussels sprouts.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Oh, that's gross. It's like Brussels sprouts. Now all of a sudden it's everywhere, right? The second most popular, in my opinion, or most, excuse me, most successful marketing campaign I've ever seen in my life, is fucking Topo Chico Mexican Water. Yeah, because when I was growing up,

Starting point is 00:05:20 Mexican water, if you drink Mexico water, that just means instant dairy. I don't know if it's a great, great market or not. I haven't, until we went to Austin, I was growing up. Mexican water. If you drink Mexico water, that just means instant dairy. I don't know if it's a great, great market or not. I haven't, until we went to Austin, I'd never even seen that before. I bought this in Whole Foods. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, but I didn't know about it. It's not, I haven't seen it everywhere. It's not like, it's not, it's not, I think it's emerging in its popularity. The fact that we're selling water for Mexico is, it's crazy. I see your say is. It's technically from Mexico. It's made. I see. Is it technically from Mexico?

Starting point is 00:05:45 It's made, it's bottled in the spring is in Mexico. Oh, the Mexican water. The spring is actually in Mexico? Yeah, someone to read the background. Yeah, read it, because I don't know if I believe it. It's like the important thing. Wow, what a monstrous, maybe in Mexico.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Yeah, what are the, you know what though, when you say something like that, like made somewhere, like bottled at the source, which is in Monterey. Oh, Monterey! So it does say that. Wow. Wow. Mexican water.

Starting point is 00:06:12 I'm telling you, when I was growing up, you know that, and they just really got over on you though. What? That it's really that good. You don't say it, it's more than. Don't put Chico, it is. No, we've all been on the kick for a minute. It's got a level of, of, of,

Starting point is 00:06:24 bubbliness to it. I don't know if that's a, that's a technical minute. It's got a level of, of, of, uh, bubbliness to it. I don't know if that's a, that's a technical term. It's the perfect, yeah, blend. I don't know, whatever that is as far as like, how much carbonation they put in it. It's just like perfect. The, I'm going to say something that's going to offend all my, uh, Italian people. But I may like it better than San Pilarino. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:06:42 That's for me. I love San Pilarino. So I haven't, I, I'm not definitive. I'm on this Sarat. So I have, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm on this serratoga cake over here. I really like this. This is from New York, I think. Of course you're gonna get some bougie water. It's all blue, like a blue bottle.

Starting point is 00:06:53 That's probably like $10 bottle. I think that's how it is. It reminds me of Voss. Like if you like, what an asshole you'd be for all you drink was Voss. Yeah, excuse me. Yeah. You're just like cracking it open.

Starting point is 00:07:04 The stupid buy. I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy that when we were kids, that market didn't even exist. Well, bottled water. How crazy is that? I know. How crazy?

Starting point is 00:07:14 Now, name a place. Like a ridiculous idea. Name a place of business. Name a place somebody's home. Name somewhere you've been. And there's not a bottle of water. At least one bottle of water. That's how fucking crazy that market did not exist

Starting point is 00:07:27 not at all. 15 years ago. We all just drank out of the hose. The 100% like that was fine. Right, every day, every day law, faucet or hose. Actually, my parents bought a water purifier

Starting point is 00:07:38 when I was probably 12, but that's because my mom's brother, my uncle, is a health and wellness like fanatic. He's the guy that has the, she's a Chinese herbalist, you know, like certification, whatever you wanna call it. And so he was the one that talked my parents

Starting point is 00:07:55 into getting reverse osmosis water filters back when that shit was not popular. Expensive, it was really expensive. So we were one of the first ones to have a reverse osmosis. I find it fascinating that we pay that much money for water that we didn't before. There's a lot of little things like that that. You know why I do it? No? It's crazy. I do it now because they because of they put fluoride and stuff in water. Now in San Jose, I think it doesn't have fluoride yet, but I know they're going to start adding fluoride. San Jose tastes like fucking

Starting point is 00:08:23 penny. It just tastes horrible. You drink out of the tab, it tastes like you're sucking on penny, dude. It's disgusting. I was at somebody's house who didn't have bottled water and I tried it for say I'm like, you don't bottled on, okay, so how's your sink water? Oh no, it's fine, it's fine. And I drink it and I was like, it tastes like goddamn penny. It's like penny. It's a thing.

Starting point is 00:08:41 It's a thing. That makes me wonder how many times have you sucked on a penny? Yeah. Come on, you need to tell me you just suck many times have you sucked on a penny? Come on, you need to tell me you just suck on pennies when you're a kid. No Every kid put a penny in his mouth. It won't no one you have money. You swallowed pennies and found them in my shit This kid was eating money. No wonder Justin He was like, yeah, I mean I did that. I was gonna try to sell her dollar. That was as far as I could go Yeah, I only sucked on paper money, bro. I'm not cheap. So another thing They did know another thing that did not exist 15 years ago that exists now that all over the place are these Co-ed fucking baby showers

Starting point is 00:09:11 Oh stop it you win. That's I did dude. It was my best friend like I'm fucking I mean there's rules of like friends fire like if it was just a friend not going dude not going to your I didn't make any of my friends. This is like my go. Can I make a general childhood best friend? Can I make a general sweeping statement? What's that? Can I have permission to do that? Okay, all right.

Starting point is 00:09:32 Guaranteed, this is my opinion, but I will put money on it. Guaranteed, nine out of 10 guys who have a co-ed baby shower, do it because they're fucking fiance or girlfriend. Oh my boy, the same way, he's a guy, I don't even know. There's a bar there. Why are we letting this happen, man? Like, what is wrong with us? That's exactly what's going down.

Starting point is 00:09:48 Like, let it happen. Put your foot down. This is a fucking born ass party. That's not for us. We now have co-ed, baby shower. We now have gender reveal party. And we now have engagement party in addition to the wedding. I'm like, look at my boy.

Starting point is 00:10:01 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, look at my boy. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm in the reveal. Like three grand deep into you, bro. We have a reveal party's now. It's a boy. Oh, cool.

Starting point is 00:10:09 We can't just text him. It's funny because we can't afford any kids because we've got to put all these goddamn parties for our three friends that have had it. You know, it's funny. They're just trying to get more gifts. I'm trying to think of something right now. What is a traditional male thing that we do

Starting point is 00:10:23 that we don't have our girls or girlfriends come to that's our party It's a party poker night poker night. What else like fishing trip? Yeah, right anything outdoors now You don't see us making a big deal about bringing our girls because It's fucking fun to be that yeah, well not only, but we enjoyed just our middle company. I think I think women don't like each other so much. No, I think he did like to fuse. I think it's a brilliant strategy by women like you like you earlier alluded to, which is to get more gifts. That's what it is. It's like you don't. Oh, this this create. Check this out.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Now mind you, my buddy married a Filipino girl. So there was like and there was over a hundred people. Also the whole family. A hundred people. There were booze. We had two, okay, three trucks, my Denali included, plus two other full beds of Chevy's, filled the gifts. Three trucks, bro.

Starting point is 00:11:14 Worth the gifts. Yeah, that's loot. Yes, she was in. She was, they were at Amazon. They were registered at Amazon, at Target, at Nordstromstroms and I think best buy like four things My and there must have been a hundred options for me to purchase you know I bought three gifts, but then you had to do all the stupid games They didn't I saw the video you posted you suck on a fucking baby bottle. Yeah, that was you

Starting point is 00:11:38 That was the only game that I was involved in so this is so this is the only way The only way that we're gonna do I'm gonna check that out I'm gonna prevent this from happening the only way is if men Collectively refuse the play the stupid games just fine You go because you gotta have your you don't want to break up with your girlfriend or whatever you go But then refuse to play the games and then you say that so dominant But you strike me as the man that if if fucking Jessica said we're having yeah, bro He talks all a mad game, but you're I'm the guy who would do that like if my girlfriend some shit out

Starting point is 00:12:09 I'd be like nah, I ain't going you're doing your thing you are not that guy I don't have any videos stuck in on baby bottle. Oh, that was a that was me calling myself out on that But you better believe it is you are less likely to be the guy This is what it's put down if you're girl. Yeah, if your girl says it's going to actually know I'm lucky because With now of course there's close people that we both know and all that stuff But she's just as likely to not want to go to one of those as I am so I kind of look out on that You know, I'm saying she's she's not into baby showers. No. Thank God, dude She doesn't like she doesn't like all those baby shower party type things and she also

Starting point is 00:12:43 That's lucky doesn't like to dance at weddings and stuff. So it's like I won the lottery, dude. For me, yeah, because so I'm a dancer at weddings. Oh, fuck the hell. I'm not. I get down. Yeah, you do. You got some moves on it.

Starting point is 00:12:56 I've seen you move. What else you're gonna do there? It's fucking boring. Drink, get drunk and dance. I just walk outside, go for a walk outside, talk about how stupid the wedding is. Hi. That's true. You could do that. That's me, all cynical. Yeah, in the corner. Drink walk out walk outside go for walk outside talk about how stupid the wedding is I That's me all cynical

Starting point is 00:13:08 Yeah, in the corner well that's what the hell yeah stupid idea. I had one of those Just for everybody they are a bit of a hustle. They would you think about it man? So so I so this week and I had the father daughter dance with my little girl. That's right. Oh, yeah I saw pictures that looked great. Oh dude, it's her favorite time of the year bro. She gets so fucking excited to do this. And this was a masquerade ball thing. So we had the little masks and I showed up.

Starting point is 00:13:34 Did they theme a different year? They do. Oh wow. So I brought her a corsage and we did the whole deal and we get there. And so I didn't go last year because I missed last year. Remember I had to make up for it with a Disneyland thing. But I went the previous year and the previous year after that.

Starting point is 00:13:48 And at these father-daughter dances, my daughter, as soon as we walk in, she sees her friends and they go nuts and they run off. And then me and the dad's kind of chill and watch them. And every once in a while, a slow song will come on. We'll go dance with them. This father-daughter dance was different.

Starting point is 00:14:00 My daughter only wanted a dance and he out with me. That's it. What's that like being a dad? That's feel good. It felt good, but it was almost like, I don't know, it made me emotional. Like, you don't want to go dance with your friends? No, I don't. And so she's just clinging on you. We danced all night together. We invented new dances together, made a handshake together, did all these fun things. Yeah, it was a lot of fun, but it was really, it was really cute. And then I'm watching all these other dads who are with their daughters. And you see, because it goes up to eighth grade of the school, right? So you see 12 and 13-year-old girls, which when I was in 13-year-old

Starting point is 00:14:35 kid, for the most part, 13-year-olds don't want to dance with their parents. They don't want to do that. But this, you do, right? But this school and the community around it, and it is a Catholic school, and then they have this dance regularly. So I think these girls have been going to these dances with their dad. I'm watching these 13 year olds just dance with their dad, hug their dads, have a great thing with their friends next time and stuff. And I'm like, man, this is fucking great. Now do you think that's, do you think that's a, do you attribute that to it being a private school? Like just just a simple fact that you're probably right. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:15:08 I'm completely speculating because I don't have children. And so I don't know what it's like to be at a dance with eighth graders, but I remember being in eighth grade and I most certainly would have not a one in my mom's shop, roning or anywhere near it. Right. So do you think that's because the, the kids have different types of morals where the cause they go there? Do you think that if I had, if I had I think that if I had to guess if I had to guess I would say

Starting point is 00:15:29 first off they do these so they do them so public schools don't do them for the most part in fact I read an article that said in New York I believe they banned father-daughter dances because of, you know, shitty, competition. Stupid, yeah, social justice warrior bullshit about, you know, some girls don't have dads or it's, you know, it's because it's a, you know, the father can be the mother-uninclusive. Yeah, it was so stupid, so dumb.

Starting point is 00:15:56 It's like the total, the, the cut your nose off to spy your face type of thing. But, so I think they do the dances, so that's number one. So these kids probably have been going to them for years with their dad The second thing is it is a Catholic school and say what you will about you know religion There's good and bad, but one of the things that I've recognized that I've always recognized with organized religion is They have a very tight community so everybody you know, and they kind of have shared morals

Starting point is 00:16:22 Or at least they tried to right and family seems to be you know, and they kind of have shared morals, at least they try to, right? And family seems to be one of those things. Take, walk me through this, because I'm really interested in this, especially being a guy who isn't like, doesn't profess to be Christian or Catholic, or anything like that,

Starting point is 00:16:33 you don't adopt any religion. So when you get into situations where you have all, you have father, daughter dance, and you're around all these other dads, does, is it, is like church talk a normal talk? Or are they normal? A lot of them are normal. No, it's normal stuff. So you're not, it's's not all this you know, you know talking about the Bible and do you got do you like

Starting point is 00:16:50 Taking a dinner beforehand or like is that all part of it? Are you do that afterwards usually usually they do I didn't this last time But usually you do do that you'll you'll take your daughter You know almost like a date yeah, and I you know part me is like, should I fucking get a limo? You know what to mean? I think it's so, it's so smart that they do this because, and I, I think you said this two years ago, two or three years ago when you're talking about the way you just over the top, you get dressed up in a suit and you get down in your knee and you put the crossage on her and you take her to dinner and you do all this time. I mean, how smart is that as a father because it really sets up her expectations for a man? You know, and it gives a good example.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Right. Otherwise, dad could become like the parent all the time. Right. You're just the dad who said who drops the hammer when mom can't get through to you with that. And you're always like this, you know, authoritative person. Yeah. Right. Position in the family. But then to integrate something like this where, you know, the daughter gets to see this side of dad where he takes you on a date and dances with you. That's important. Creates dances and a handshake with you. Like, I mean, I just think that that is so powerful for what you're teaching her at a

Starting point is 00:17:56 young age of what she should expect another man who takes her out. It is, it is. You are as a father. You are the example of what a man is to your kids, to both male and female, but to a female because she's most likely going to, you know, probably want to date guys or whatever, at some point, you are the example of what that is. And it's not just how you treat her, it's how you treat her mom, how you treat people around you. And it's funny because you're right, this dance is a great time to really put that in practice, but it's only one time a year. And it's funny because you're right, this dance is a great time to really

Starting point is 00:18:25 put that in practice, but it's only one time a year. And something that I've been, you know, reading about more recently is, if you think about, you know, every morning and when you wake up your kids and you get them breakfast and you get them ready for school, that whole process might take in, you know, maybe 30 minutes, right? But it's 30 minutes, five days a week. And if you do the math, you're spending years, you know, throughout your kids' lifetime, years of just that morning routine. So it's more important than the dance is what you do every day. The small stuff, you know, they say the small stuff matters.

Starting point is 00:18:57 It literally does because it's stuff you do every single day. So it's like, how you are on a regular basis that you become that example. And so I know that if I'm the kind of example to my, and we're because we're talking about my daughter to my daughter of, you know, he's caring, loving, but firm, he's got integrity. So he says what he means, he means what he says, he's not violent. He doesn't, you know, push dominance through his, you know, intimidation, but at the same time, he can be very protective or whatever. Like, these are things that I would want in a man that she would date and rather than

Starting point is 00:19:34 telling her, this is what you should look for. Sure. You just kind of show her and, you know, and that's her example. So then when she dates a guy, if a guy acts like a fucking douchebag, you know what I mean? Or if a guy, you know, like, because we know how guys, you know, guys are, especially when they're teenagers, they, they, or horny, but you know, for the most, not all of them, but a lot of them are horny and they want to have sex and they might want to push it a little bit. And if a young girl feels confident in herself and she's seeing the example of her father and she's not

Starting point is 00:20:05 ready to do these things with a boy, then she's going to feel okay rejecting him because she has that confidence of whether now if she didn't have that confidence, if she didn't have that role model, then she may feel like rejecting this boy is going to be devastating to her because now she's not getting that approval. So she's going to do things maybe she won't, she doesn't want to. Dude, I tripped. How far have you gotten beyond, have you got into the parenting part with Jordan? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:31 Dr. Yeah, the 12 rules. Yeah. I have. Dude, there's some really good stuff in there. It's, he dives into the how important those formative years are between like three to seven years old with kids and how much of our relationship as a parent with them really imprints them for the rest of their life and sets them up for. It's what I'm really enjoying about his book is it's confirming a lot of what it kind of felt but didn't have necessarily the words to put to.

Starting point is 00:21:02 But really, you know, what separates humans from animals is our ability to, our cognitive ability, our consciousness, our ability to think things out and this kind of moral code that we develop, that we learn is what is imperatively important. And for people who say, no, it's not that it's innate, that humans naturally will don't need to be taught these things or learn these things. Your evidence is the 20th century. Like, look at the 20th century. Look at the horrible things humans did

Starting point is 00:21:33 when their moral code was flipped. So like, when your moral code became communism, where communism was the abolishment of all everything. It's all about, we're all equal. We're all the same um, and we're gonna, you know, push forward this ideal by any means necessary. You have millions and millions of people being killed when you have the ideal of Naziism or when you have You know when your morality is when you change this rule base that you follow Humans are capable of terrible fucking things And so it's important that we understand

Starting point is 00:22:05 that the things that we have as morals aren't just arbitrary bullshit. They actually serve a purpose. It's funny, I watched a documentary this weekend that I highly recommend everybody watch. It's on Netflix, I recommend you guys watch it. It's called Revolution, the next sexual revolution. And in it, they're showing the spring break kids who are going to like Mexico and

Starting point is 00:22:27 You know Panama Beach and they're fucking going nuts and they're drinking and having all this You know just free sex or whatever and they were interviewing the kids and following them around and as an adult watching it I can clearly and I guarantee you guys a watch the same thing when you're watching it I can clearly see and I guarantee you guys a walk, do the same thing when you're watching it. I can clearly see that these kids are doing what they think they're supposed to be doing, not because it's making them happy. Like the dudes are like, oh yeah, I'm being hell of chicks, that's the goal, I don't even care. And they're like, what's her name? He's like, I don't know her name and they laugh and the guys are like, yeah, it's cool. And they're like trying to sleep with as many girls as possible. But really, as a guy

Starting point is 00:23:02 watching that, I can completely recognize and realize and identify that they're doing this entirely to show off to their buddies. It's entirely to be the masculine, whatever, because they don't really want to, they don't really want to have sex with a bunch of random girls. They don't really like all of them, you know, and maybe they're the one or something that they really attracted to, but the rest of them are just to show off to your friends. And then they were showing the girls, and the girls were saying the same thing. And then they were showing the girls and the girls were Saying the same thing and then they were they were and the girls really are doing it because they want to be they want that approval They were showing this bikini contest where girls were on stage dancing and then they're getting coerced to show their boobs While they're on stage and afterwards when they interview the girls are like, well, you know

Starting point is 00:23:40 It kind of felt empowering because I wanted to do it But then the crowd was telling me to do it and, you know, it kind of felt empowering because I wanted to do it, but then the crowd was telling me to do it, and then, you know, I kind of didn't want to do it, but I felt like I had to, and you can tell it's like, these kids are happy. There was some reserves there, right? They just like overrided it because they thought, that's what they had to do.

Starting point is 00:23:56 The kids are not happy, and then they're interviewing these psychologists afterwards, and they're saying, there's this one female psychologist who was fucking brilliant, and she says, you know, this mentality of meaningless sex, of just physical pleasure, of just banging a bunch of people requires zero connection. Because when you make a connection, you can't be meaningless. You have to disconnect immediately as you go into it.

Starting point is 00:24:18 And so what's happening is that because you have to disconnect in order to do this, they're going into it, forcing that disconnection where I don't care, whatever, it's just the body. And the crazy thing about that is when you view someone else that you're sleeping with as just the body for pleasure and it doesn't mean there's no connection, you're simultaneously making yourself that as well because you're the other side of that equation. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:24:41 And they're talking about how like, there's a lot of depression and stuff around this this type of Meaningful anymore. It's right you you you've extracted all meaning out of it So I'm watching this with all these kids and I'm like fucking hey like they're interviewing and the kids are acting like they're fun They're getting and the funny thing is how old was age group here. They're all college students Okay, so like 21 22. Where did you watch this on Netflix Netflix? Netflix on it's on documentary. Yeah, and I sort of got it's this on? Netflix. Netflix on, it's on Netflix. Documentary?

Starting point is 00:25:06 Yeah, and I sort of got, it's, you remember the name of it? Yeah, it's called Revolution, the new sexual, let me double check. I always sign up that. The next sexual revolution. Because if all those girls got wild and all these things that exist forever now, right?

Starting point is 00:25:19 Like they got, this is a moment in time where kids are just being kids and trying to figure it out and all this. And then some assholes filming all this process, which lives forever. And then of course, somebody within that time period that was on that video is gonna look back. What do you think they're gonna think about themselves?

Starting point is 00:25:35 Well, think about it this way too. Think of the environment that you almost have to create in order to progress with the meaningless, disconnected sex. Think of the things essential to that because it never happens, or at least it almost never happens when you're just out in public, you're at the store and you see someone,

Starting point is 00:25:52 hey, let's go have sex, pretty rare. Usually you have to have, be in an environment where there's a lot of alcohol or drugs, so you literally have to take yourself out of yourself. It's loud music, it's fucking lights, it's dark, because you know what happens at the club when they turn to fucking lights, all of a sudden.

Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah, yeah. So you almost have to get, you almost have to not, to be invisible to yourself, you have to not, you have to disconnect from everything to do this thing. You just fall inhibitions. To do this thing that you think you're supposed to do or this is what I'm supposed to do,

Starting point is 00:26:24 this is what makes me cool, and then you end up becoming unhappy because meaningless anything disconnected anything, meaningless anything is not. Yeah, this is right back on you. It's kind of sad, right? It's not, and it's not no judgment, of course. I mean, I think, look, if I was a kid,

Starting point is 00:26:41 and I was at a club, and I met a girl, and I felt like right away just like, holy shit, I'm attracted to this woman. I fall for her and then we have sex. That's different. I bet you that's rare. The other argument to that, though, to, you know, it was played devil's advocate

Starting point is 00:26:58 is part of that is part of the process of finding who you are and what you like and what you want, you want, too. Could be, because then you have the, you could be one of those pendulum things. It is, and then because then there's the other, you have to look at the other extreme of that, right? Which so, with the household that I grew up in, which was I signed a purity card, I wasn't gonna have sex.

Starting point is 00:27:14 And so... Super restricted. Right, super restricted. So then I hit my 20s and then I start having sex and then I go bananas because it's like, I'm not sure what I want. And I'm sleeping with all kinds of different girls that are all different, that are all different. And all along that process, I'm kind of figuring out who I am.

Starting point is 00:27:30 And it's less about like this, am I connecting or not connecting, I'm trying to figure that all out because I was so deprived of this type of interaction and relationship growing up. You know what it reminds me of? It was demonized, right? Exactly, that's what it reminds me of, it reminds me of like drugs, where, okay, here's a good example.

Starting point is 00:27:47 Alcohol, it's used alcohol example. Alcohol is, you're far more likely to binge drink alcohol in America as a kid coming of age than you are in Europe. European kids don't binge drink and get sick and go to the hospital. Because they're exposed to it constantly. Because it's not. It's not a deal. It's not demonized. Right, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:05 You know what I'm saying? So I think, I don't think sex should be demonized because I think that's a different type of dysfunction. But what we've done is we've taken the pendulum and swung it in the opposite direction where we're like, it's not a big deal. It means nothing, that's what you're supposed to do. You should do it.

Starting point is 00:28:19 You're a guy, you're a young guy. All you wanna do is have sex. That's how you're gonna show your manliness. If you don't, you're not a man. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but as a kid, if a girl wanted to have sex with you, didn't you feel like if I said no, that I'm not a man? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:33 I can't say no. Well, I didn't because I grew up differently, right? So you used that. So yeah, for me, there was a lot of pride in saying no. And being a guy, knowing that all the other guys were feeling the pressure to do that, and it was a competition. And the fact now, I'm also lucky too

Starting point is 00:28:48 because I don't know what it would be like if you were a man in my situation who didn't get a lot of opportunities or girlfriends or things like that. And then also was holding himself that might have been a different situation. Because my friends couldn't make fun of me because I always had more girlfriends or I had more girls that wanted me than them.

Starting point is 00:29:04 I was just choosing to refrain from that. So that was a little bit easier situation for me. So it was like a pride thing that like, hey, I have these options, but I choose not to do them. You know what I'm saying? It's fun. It really depends on... It's funny you say that because we have this belief that a dominant male in, you know, throughout history or whatever, a dominant leader

Starting point is 00:29:26 had access to lots of women and slept with lots of women. Well, it's because a gang is con. Like I've fucked everything. But what they're finding, but here's a thing though, what they're finding is there were rules and... The irony is there's way more power and not. There is. There's way more power.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Not only that together is a good thing. Women put that together a long time. Not women figured that out a long time ago. I put that together is a good point. Women put that together a long time ago. Not only women figured that out a long time ago, I put that together in my team. But it's not only that, it's that. Hold. Let's say we're all in a tribe, right? We're evolving, we're, excuse me, not evolving,

Starting point is 00:29:55 but we're hunter-gatherers and we live in a tribe of 40, 50 people, or maybe in a community of 152, and there's a man that is the leader. Now, he's not the leader because he can beat everybody up. That's what people think. People think the dominant guy is the strongest toughest guy. I don't know, Joe Peterson covers this. It's more so that he's the guy who...

Starting point is 00:30:14 He's the guy everybody wants the lead. Not only is he strong and he's tough, but then nobody either wants to overthrow him either because he's not punkin' everybody. Right, because if it was really a violent dominant, evil guy, well five guys could take him out. You know, when's he gonna sleep, when's he gonna, you know what I mean? So really it's the guy that all the other people want to lead.

Starting point is 00:30:32 Now that does make him extremely attractive to all the women of the tribe. And if you really wanted to, he could probably have any woman, but he doesn't because if he did, then he would immediately get taken down or killed by the other men. So really it's the fact that- The resent builds up. Yes, it's about the fact that he can, then he would immediately get taken down or killed by the other man. So really it's the fact that- The resent builds up.

Starting point is 00:30:46 Yes, it's about the fact that he can, but he doesn't. And that's really the whole mailness when it comes to being able to. Because I think again, we confuse it to, I can sleep with a bunch of women and I do. He showed that off to your buddies. And it pushes the pendulum so far in that direction that I'm telling you guys are watching this documentary

Starting point is 00:31:06 as an, if I was a 15 year old boy watching the documentary be like, oh my God, they're having so much fun. But now as a grown man, I'm watching it and I'm like, whoa, these kids are really trying hard to do what they think is cool, but it's kind of not. It's hard, yeah. And like as you're going through that process, all this testosterone, it's just like muddies

Starting point is 00:31:25 You're the way that you even think and assess, you know, whether things are good idea whether or not Obviously like the risk goes way up and so, you know the excitement towards, you know, just like experiencing all these new things and so Yeah, I think us watching that now with maturity and Assessing kind of what's going on. It's a totally different perspective. What did you think about, what did you, you know, here's a touchy third rail topic. Oh, what did you, what did you think about his theory on disciplining and spanking and things like that?

Starting point is 00:31:56 Did you remember that chapter? We got into that. I did, I did and I don't disagree with him. Really the whole, I guess the, the, the foundation of that chapter was have a few rules, but be solid with them, but don't have a ton of rules. I give you too many rules. It's like, it's like government. When government makes so many fucking rules that you start

Starting point is 00:32:16 breaking these little rules, you stop respecting all rules and all laws. And this is what happened with prohibition. Prohibition, when they passed it, so many people broke the law that they found that people became lawbreakers in general. Like once you crossed that law, you can trust. Well, he got into studies that talk about, kids that had no structure or discipline

Starting point is 00:32:36 when they're younger, the rate of what they would potentially be as adults, like what they would turn into. And it's like, yeah, he said, have a few rules. He said, give them the minimum required dose for discipline or whatever. So like whatever, the least amount you can do that'll get the point across.

Starting point is 00:32:51 That's what you need to do. The little micro corrections. Well, just wait, something that's effective, but don't more than that. He made a point though that choosing opting not to spank them over something like that they did that's really bad, right? Like let's say, for example, our kids,

Starting point is 00:33:04 let's say we all have kids and they're playing together and my kid walks over and hits your kid, I don't know where. For me to not make a big deal about that immediately is going to do more harm to that kid later on than if I walk over and whack them on a hand and say, don't you do that and scare up. So he made that point very clear that parents that are so anti because we are on this severity of whatever that interaction was. Like it has to, you have to meet that.

Starting point is 00:33:28 Well, really what he's talking about is this generation of parents that are afraid to, for their kids not to like them, they're afraid to discipline, to punish them at all. He says it's in our nature that these kids will, your kid, he's going, it's part of growth. They're going to, they're going to treat exactly,

Starting point is 00:33:44 they're going to flirt with their boundaries. And if you don't set those boundaries, those boundaries will just keep extending, extending, extending. And so learning to nip it, as soon as you see it at three, four years old, right away, and address it. Oh, I've always known this. It is so important.

Starting point is 00:33:58 But the reason why I bring it up, because it's a controversial topic right now, because of, you know, laying hands on a kid is like absolutely absurd. Here's the thing, I particularly don't spank my kids because I'm effective with the other stuff that I do. Does that mean that it's off the table? No, if I had to use it, I probably would,

Starting point is 00:34:16 but I just haven't, I've always spanked my kids twice. It was terrible, I hate doing it, but what I do is pretty fucking effective. Now, if I had a kid where that was something that I had to use, but what I do is pretty fucking effective. Now if I had a kid where That was something that I had to use, you know, then I don't know, you know But I was spanked as a kid. I think I turned out okay for the most part, right? But you know, there's there's spanking and there's beating right and all that huge huge difference and there's things that I think are I think there's things that are called for and there's things that are not. And he talks about this.

Starting point is 00:34:45 He says, you know, coming home from a stressful day at work all day long and irritated and frustrated from your job and then wife's mad at you. And then the kid spills milk on the fucking floor and you fucking spank him or you hit him. That's a total default. He's not talking about that. And I agree with that. Like that's your insecure. That's your fucking issues as an adult that you're putting that on your child. That's bad behavior, you're teaching them bad things

Starting point is 00:35:06 that way, but being totally coherent, normal, happy, great day, playing with kids and your kid fucking truck some other kid and not doing anything about it. I have had issues like that too. So the severity of it, right? So my youngest like punched some kid, because he just, I don't know, he wrestles

Starting point is 00:35:24 and then decided to throw a punch. And so, you know, for me, it's a matter of like, I have to remove myself from getting super pissed off, like right away, so I'm like, we're gonna deal with this. So I can assess like how I'm gonna handle this specifically and what the severity of the punishment requires. And so I can breathe and sort of meditate on it. And then, you know, even if,

Starting point is 00:35:46 which did require a spank, but the spank itself is just, it's a corrective sort of a technique where it's like, you get a snap, it's not, I'm not hurting them. Yeah. At the same time, but I'm, it's the anticipation of it. Well, you're training his brain at that point. You're training his brain to know when he says, when he has behavior like that, there's a negative're treating his brain at that point. You're treating his brain to know when he says a lot of it.

Starting point is 00:36:05 And he has behavior like that. There's a negative reaction. That's what that is. You're getting them out of that process. Or if they're gonna put a fork in the socket or cross the street when they're not supposed to. Yeah, he mentions things where you're putting harm on someone else or danger to yourself.

Starting point is 00:36:18 Those are the severity spectrum. There's a few things with my kids that are non-negotiable. Like these are big fucking deals. Like one of them's integrity. If I, if you show any signs or anything that you're going to steal or cheat or lie or be that kind of person,

Starting point is 00:36:35 which kids will test 100% in fact, it's a sign of intelligence when kids lie and do that stuff. They're testing their boundaries, they're testing things. That is a big non-negotiable for me. You will demonstrate integrity, you will be an honest person, hands down bar none. The second thing is violence. You will not use violence except in self-defense.

Starting point is 00:36:56 So you're not gonna hit other people to try and dominate them. You're not gonna, my son's not gonna hit a sister, vice versa, those kinds of things. And the third one for me was, you are going to be a hard worker. If you wanna do something, then you work hard towards it, and that's what gives things meaning, because I will not tolerate a fucking apathetic lazy, you know, whatever, because I know in life,

Starting point is 00:37:20 and I know how the world works, at least where we live here in the US, that if you're a hard worker, you're probably going to be okay. If you're lazy, I don't give a shit how smart you are, I don't care about all talent you are. If you're a lazy person, you're probably going to fucking have a terrible time. How you do anything is how you do everything. So those are the things I've really, like really strict with my kids.

Starting point is 00:37:41 I know, I try and always stand on top of the integrity piece myself. It's just like that's something I'm always monitoring to see where it is. Yeah, and then oh, so here's something else in the current events here. So check out this headline here. Some scientists believe that kids with IQs in the top five to 10% of the population

Starting point is 00:38:01 are at especially high risk for ADHD misdiagnosis. So they found that kids who are really, really smart tend to get diagnosed with ADHD or ADD and then get medicated as young kids, which is terrible. And I've been talking about this for a long time when it comes to the school system, especially the public school system, because it's public and when it comes to the school system, especially the public school system,

Starting point is 00:38:26 because it's public and because it tends to be centrally controlled, you know, by the state, they kind of look at the middle. And if you fall off on the ends, you're kind of fucked. Although if you go off the low end where you're struggling and you're having a tough time, they have programs and stuff in place, if you're on the high end where you're struggling and you're having a tough time, they have programs and stuff in place. If you're on the high end, there's nothing. If you're a really smart kid and you're in school and you're bored or whatever. And you're frustrated and bored.

Starting point is 00:38:51 You're fucked. Yeah, you are. You're having a tough, you're going to be bored, you're going to be, you might be medicated. I wonder how many kids that are gifted are being medicated out of their gift right now. Think about that. If you think back to the like Bill Gates or the Elon Musk to the world, I wonder if they were kids,

Starting point is 00:39:10 if they were kids today, would they be put on medications? And then would that have prevented them from being who they were later on, who are these great, creators and disruptors? Yeah, I know, who's to say, yeah, there's definitely the way that school is structured. There's certain people that do very well

Starting point is 00:39:28 within that structure in the rule system and sitting down and learning and digesting and you know, girl, girl, girl, you're taking it from me. You know, girls in the better than boys at that, right? Yeah, I know. I didn't care about that. I want to get up and move and I want to be,

Starting point is 00:39:42 I want applicable knowledge. I want knowledge where I'm actually doing something. I would argue though that parents are fucking up more brilliant kids than fucking the doctors are in the 5%. Oh, it's all part of the whole thing. Like extra curricular activities to you as a parent. It was a trip because after I've read the 12 rules,

Starting point is 00:40:00 I'm sitting in, this was just this weekend, right, I'm sitting at Target, I'm in my boots, I can't really walk around much and I sit down, it's my back starting to bother me, so Katrina's kind of like shopping for the baby shower and I'm sitting down. And I'm in my phone, so I'm not really paying attention, so obviously people around me aren't really paying attention to me either, I'm just kind of sitting there

Starting point is 00:40:17 still like a statue. And this mother is looking for her daughter and her daughter, they connect right at me, they find each other at me. And she's probably, I don't know, 12 years old or so, somewhere there, give her, take a year or two. And her mom just comes unglued at her, she just starts yelling at her and shit, because she couldn't find her in the store

Starting point is 00:40:37 for like 30 minutes and she was looking all over for her. And I get it as a parent, there's probably fear that happened there. Frustration that happened, lots of stuff, but she just comes on, glued. And when she starts yelling, or you know what she yells at her about? This is what tripped me out.

Starting point is 00:40:50 Instead of letting the daughter know how much it scared her as a mother and the safety and things like that and like communicate to her, she starts yelling at this girl about her day. I've had a fucking 12 hour day today. I've been up on my feet all day long. The last fucking thing that I want to deal with is trying to find your ass at the store. What do you

Starting point is 00:41:09 do? And just and crabs are by your hand. Hell hard and like and drags and drags and start on like and I guess because I just read that book, it was like, fresh in my mind. I'm thinking of myself like, fucking parent dude. Like really? That's tough. Like I get being fresh. I get all that stuff. But you don't realize how important if you are gonna come at your kid hard like that, you gotta be thinking about how much of, if this is my emotions and my own shit that I'm putting on my kid that then later on is gonna teach them so many things.

Starting point is 00:41:35 Because now you, I mean Katrina and I are talking about in the car about the, because I told her, because she didn't see you. And I was kind of sharing with her like, man, think of all the things that you're teaching that kid one that it's okay to do that in public Two, it's okay to yell at your kid like that three. It's okay to hate your fucking job too She's talking about how miserable 12 hours a day of work is there's so many bad lessons that are getting taught there I feel like we're strong and broke the camel's back

Starting point is 00:41:58 Yeah, probably and I feel like which which is teaching her kid is I had a shitty day in your part of my shitty day Right, you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. Yeah. The real thing was not, I saw what really happened. Like I can totally understand, even not having a child, how scary that could be for a parent

Starting point is 00:42:14 to not be able to find them. But really what it was, she was more angry about, it's been a long day of work, she's been on her foot, it's more inconvenient for her to be looking for her kid for 30 and in the combination of that one. She's like a single parent, you know what I mean? And like these are all factors of like where the elevation of stress,

Starting point is 00:42:33 it just amounts to like a degree that's like so insane. The hardest thing. So I tend to have a lot more empathy in that situation, you know, with the parent, but at the same time, you have to check yourself on that. Like, that's your portrayal, that's all your emotional, you know, like, like, you can't let yourself get to that volume.

Starting point is 00:42:56 That's where it becomes really problematic in your kid, like, ends up getting all the brunt of like your problems. Yeah, I think, you know, the challenge as a parent is to, because all, I think all people have some level of damage and stress or whatever is to not, to pass it on. Yeah. I mean, how challenging is that?

Starting point is 00:43:14 I know me when I don't feel good. Well, that's what's gonna happen is you're, because I look at this with my, this is really tough because it doesn't guarantee that your kid's gonna be a fuck up. It doesn't guarantee that your kid's gonna be, but it. It doesn't guarantee that your kid is a fuck up. But it definitely increases the chances that they're gonna follow down the same footsteps as these bad choices that you made as a parent.

Starting point is 00:43:31 And I'm watching that happen to my two young siblings. Yeah, you know, it's a really tough thing being the older brother and watching them literally follow down the same exact path as my two parents did and all the troubles and the shit that they went through growing up and it's like, and it's tough being the oldest and then having it, I have a good relationship with both my mother and my stepfather.

Starting point is 00:43:53 And, you know, to think that this is a result of how you parented these kids for, you know, 15, 18 years of their lives. And now your heart breaks and your frustrated with the decisions that they keep making and they keep fucking up and doing. What do you think was gonna happen? Yeah, what do you think that was gonna happen?

Starting point is 00:44:10 Like, I'm fucked. That's tough to fill the soul. You're lucky me and the other one turned out okay. You know what I'm saying? Because we are so adamant about being so different that we fucking went the other direction. Those two, they thought that this was life is the norm. And so they can't even see outside their life

Starting point is 00:44:26 and what they're going through because it looks just like a reflection of my parents and the bullshit they went. And like you said, the language she used, like, you know, that's the type of stuff you really have to assess the language you use with kids because yeah, if you're projecting that all on them, like this is their fault and, you know, that's where it's just, it becomes this thing where it's like they feel that.

Starting point is 00:44:46 And then this becomes like a massive issue. You just, you turn, you end up turning into your parents. I mean, the physical representation of that is very clear with obesity rates that you see with kids is crazy and inevitably both parents also obese. They're all leading this terrible food. That causes other problems on top of it. It's an interesting conundrum,

Starting point is 00:45:08 you know, it's an interesting situation that, I think it requires more awareness. I think people are so just... That's, it's that for you. Yeah, I just don't think they're aware, you know. Like we just, I just talked about the 80D, 80H thing. Do you know that there are clear studies that show dietary changes have a profound impact

Starting point is 00:45:26 on the kid if they have ADD or ADHD? But the pro... Us that seems so obvious. It has a clear impact. It's a very clear impact. So I would venture to say a good chunk, and I don't know what the percentage is because I'm not a researcher in this area and I'm not a doctor. But I bet you a good chunk of kids would go off their medications if their diets were

Starting point is 00:45:44 changed and if they incorporated exercise. You know what the problem with that is? but I bet you a good chunk of kids would go off their medications if their diets were changed and if they incorporated exercise. You know what the problem with that is? The problem is, as a parent, your kid eats what you eat. And so for a parent to either give their kid a pill or change everybody's diet, they're gonna go with the easy one. Well, it's interesting too,

Starting point is 00:45:58 and this is somewhat of a weird plug for brain of him, but like how they were talking about like getting passes of the FCC or F FDA about like, using it for experimenting F for ADHD. That would be cool. That would be cool. Which would be great. Just as an alternative to just taking chemicals all the time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:18 Well, I'll tell you what, man. So I just did another 72 hour fast this weekend. I plan on doing one every month. The first or second, probably the second week and every month I'm gonna do with serving. What are you using to get out of it, right? When you come out of it, I can. I know you do your bone broth

Starting point is 00:46:29 and then you do anything else. So I initially broke it with the Thrive Market Bone broth, which I really, really enjoy. It's a really good bone broth. I also made my own bone broth for the first time in a crock pot, which came out just exceptional. What I'll do is I'll take the bone broth and I'll blend it with a little bit of ghee,

Starting point is 00:46:49 add a little bit of salt, and it's fucking delicious. But that's the first meal that I have to break this every two outfasses. I'll have a cup of bone broth, then I'll wait a couple hours, and then I'll eat something else, and then that's pretty much it. I'll just so easily digestible that way. It's just easy to digest.

Starting point is 00:47:04 It's got fats and minerals and some proteins. It's crazy how sensitive my stomach felt like with everything, even with vegetables and things like that, when you go come off the two or three days like that. The first couple days after a fast, you gotta be careful how much you feed yourself and stuff where you could have.

Starting point is 00:47:20 Do you find using, because I was using the organified green juice and everything while I was doing that, do you find that's a better strategy when you first come out of it or going straight to veggies, like what's your thoughts on that? So this time I'm trying something different.

Starting point is 00:47:33 What are you doing? So we've, I've been doing lots of research into the carnivore diet and all meat diet. Not, I'm not gonna be a carnivore, I'm not gonna go into it. But, but it makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint that there were probably times when you just ate meat and there were times when you just ate vegetables

Starting point is 00:47:52 and there were times when you ate both. It's whatever you had. It's kind of how you approached vegan things. And I know my gut is, I have a very sensitive, obviously gut, I have lots of gut issues. First off, the 72 hour fast is the singular best thing I've ever done for that. Best thing I've ever done is that when I do go

Starting point is 00:48:12 without food for 72 hours, and then I start to refeed myself, it's fucking my gut becomes incredible. So that's number one. Number two, the cognitive and emotional benefits I get from it are now that I've done it two months in a row and that's one of the reasons why I wanna do it every month because if I do it frequently, I'm gonna get more connected to the changes

Starting point is 00:48:32 it's doing with my body. Not just the obvious ones but the subtle ones, but my mood, holy shit man, it's like an antidepressant and I become way more energized, almost like if I have coffee but I don't, which I'm also off coffee, by the way. So I haven't had any caffeine, I feel amazing. So I feel good, it's very good for my gut

Starting point is 00:48:51 and researching with this carnivore diet, I know that plants tend to be, if you're gonna have an intolerance to anything, the animal products will be egg whites and dairy and then everything else tends to be plant, gluten, nuts. See, that's what I was wondering at what you thought about the plant, gluten, sea, that kind of. That's why I was wondering at what you thought about the strategy of using the green juice

Starting point is 00:49:08 to kind of ease yourself back in, like what's your thoughts? I'm gonna do that in five days. So in five days, I'll start doing the green juice and stuff like that from organified. But right now what I'm doing for the next five days is I'm only having meat, some egg yolks maybe, and bone broth, and that's it. Well, what's interesting to, like,

Starting point is 00:49:26 and I wanna see what happens, by the way, I don't know if it's gonna be great for me, so. You know how a lot of people attribute red meat to having like very inflammatory response towards it. I'm curious to kind of see like, you know, with a carnivore diet, like how you know, you work through that. Well, so I know myself, and I know that,

Starting point is 00:49:42 I get inflamed as fuck when I have gluten, sugar, you know, those kinds of course dairy because I have an intolerance of dairy, but it's, I usually don't have inflammation or issues with me, so. I don't either, so for me, some people have told me that. Right, and I'm sure that happens for some people,

Starting point is 00:49:57 but I'm gonna try it for five days, see what happens, see how I feel because, you know, I don't know, we'll see, but I am going to be incorporating this fast every month after I do it. First off, I tested my ketones on the P-strip. I know it's not super accurate, but if it shows there's ketones, you are in ketosis. Deep in ketosis, I could feel inflammation go down, energies up, clarity, mental clarity. Do you think, too, like the elevation in mood, being more attributed to running off of ketones,

Starting point is 00:50:27 is there a correlation there? Yes, so what I think I may have a problem, and I think a lot of people have this problem, which is why it's common, not everybody, but I think a lot of people have this problem. I may have a problem with glucose, I may have a problem utilizing it. Now I'm not diabetic or prediabetic,

Starting point is 00:50:44 but for some reason when I start eating carbohydrates and I push the carbohydrates for a while, I just don't think it's clearly. I feel more foggy, I feel more fatigued. Even when I eat carbs that don't have, that art, I don't have an intolerance to, although it's much less of an effect, I still don't have the same clarity and I think it may be that I just don't have an intolerance to, although it's much less of an effect, I still don't have the same clarity,

Starting point is 00:51:07 and I think it may be that I just don't utilize glucose that well, which could be partially genetics and partially because I may have fucked myself up over the way over years. I feel the same way too. That pushed everything. When I was trying to gain weight and trying to gain muscle, I stuffed my face with everything, sugar, you know, process, whatever,

Starting point is 00:51:26 any kind of calorie I could. And so I would imagine that had some kind of effect on me, because I shouldn't feel like shit after eating a meal. And that's what happens. If I eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, if I eat a lot of them, I want to take a nap, you know, 40 minutes later, or an hour later, that's not, that's a sign, right? That's something's going on. So, so totally different. But what I'm gonna do with this is I'm gonna go, is beginning of every month, send me to our fast, then I'm gonna ease my way in, keto, keto, keto, then the last week of the month,

Starting point is 00:51:53 or the week before I go on the fast, I'll start throwing in carbs again for, for variety, and then I'll go fast and reset the cycle. I almost see how long I do this, but, so far so good. Bird. This Quas brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition,

Starting point is 00:52:13 Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organify.com That's a large a NIFI dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout First question is from Krishish 311 Krishishishish Are you worried people will use too much intensity with maps hit? Oh, the new program.

Starting point is 00:52:46 Doug, Doug, one's that... What I love is when you merge it together, maps and hit. It's... It's the shit. Yep. When does this episode drop at the same time as the episode that talks about maps? Yeah, this is going to drop at 4 p.m. Pacific on Tuesday and then at 6 p.m. we have our YouTube. Oh, it's coming in high.

Starting point is 00:53:04 When does that bonus episode drop? Is that tonight? Oh, the bonus episode will be dropping right after this. At the same time or whatever. At the same time, yeah. So for, if you haven't heard the bonus episode, and if you're, and again, if you're listening to this before the YouTube live YouTube comes out,

Starting point is 00:53:20 we have a new maps coming out. It's maps hit. It is high intensity interval training, but it's programmed by us. So it's good programming. We have incorporated quite a few things in there, but it is intense because it is a six week. Okay, so here's a deal.

Starting point is 00:53:35 We got a lot of people constantly, since we started Mind Pump. A lot of people would tell us, what's the best program I want to burn as much body fat as possible in a short period of time? Obviously, that's a big common thing and we've pushed against it because we wanted to make sure people had Good exercise programming that bolstered their immune system. Excuse me bolstered their metabolism That's strengthened their body. They gave them long-term results as well

Starting point is 00:53:58 Right, because this is where they want to go first Right, and this and this is the mentality Well, this is why it took so long for us to put a program like this out here because we wanted to establish those, I keep using this word, but prerequisite. So, you know, we want to establish a solid foundation, an understanding of training, an understanding of your body in the way that your joints are supposed to function. And now we get to kind of flirt with some of the crazy. Right. And so this, we said, okay, let's design a program that will burn as many calories

Starting point is 00:54:30 and as much fat in a short period of time. So, MAPSID is six weeks long. It's all about burning body fat and conditioning, but we also, we programmed it in a way where you could scale it. So, there's three levels. And we also programmed in mobility, what are called flow sessions in there, because with high intensity interval training, injury tends to be higher risk because of the intensity. Now can you use too much intensity with mapsit? Of course, you can use it too much intensity with anything. It depends on your body. There's three levels in mapsit and the third level is the most difficult. And if you go into it and you're not in fucking awesome shape and you think I'm just gonna go level three

Starting point is 00:55:06 because I wanna burn more body fat, you're gonna be shooting yourself on the foot, you're better off starting in level one type of deal. But we get into this. So those that are concerned are more curious about this. We get into this in that short episode that's all about MAPSIT, why we created it, what we're talking about right now.

Starting point is 00:55:25 I mean, this program is the only program that comes with a warning. All of our other programs, we don't have a big, big red warning when you first open it up. And that's our one concern was to make sure that people understood that this is something that you phase in and out or you intermittently use it within your current routine that you're doing right now. It's not a long-term sustainable program.

Starting point is 00:55:45 We don't highly recommend that at all. So we get into that with depth. Now, the hit launch is going right now. So you've got an opportunity to get it for $20 off plus get the free t-shirt right now. And how many more days will that last Doug after this goes live? So they have a couple days.

Starting point is 00:56:01 Yeah, until Saturday evening. Okay, so just our site, mindpumpmedia.com, you do the code, make sure you enter the coupon code, hit launch. Now it's hit spelled with two eyes. So it's h-i-t launch all uppercase and you'll get 20% off, excuse me, $20 off and a free t-shirt. But in, you know, not to go off topic, this is a question that I get on all kinds of things like, can you use too much intensity?

Starting point is 00:56:28 Absolutely, you know, when you look at all these... Easiest thing that can happen. That's the number one thing, that's what everybody throws too much at. When you have, when you look at all the variables that you can play with for your workouts, your volume, which is your total workload, your intensity, the duration, how long your workouts, your volume, which is your total workload, your intensity, the duration, how long your workouts are rep speed, you know, your intent. All these different things, if you apply them all

Starting point is 00:56:56 in the right ways, you'll get excellent results. So if you think of the potential for your body at 100, like if you do everything perfect, you will hit 100 in terms of results with your particular genetic makeup, right? Every time one of those factors is throw is off, you take away from that 100, 100. So if you apply too much intensity, now maybe you're only 50% of your potential. This is true for all the variables. So when it comes to intensity, for sure, more is not better. That is not true. More is better until it's not. And then you're now it's worse. So always, I always recommend people, and I learned, this is a lesson I learned as a personal trainer,

Starting point is 00:57:37 and it took me fucking years to learn it, to err on the side of less intensity, because it's easier to ramp up slowly from there than it is to, oh shit, we did too much. Now we gotta try and back off, but oh shit, now your central nervous system's fried, now you're trying to recover, now we add you all as back, like trying to backtrack or whatever,

Starting point is 00:57:57 it's way more difficult. So air on the side of maybe a little bit too little intensity and then slowly ramp up from there, way better approach, I think. Next question is from Tim Imbo. How do your significant others respond to the amount of time you invest in social media? Do you have external help or are you really that persistent on your own? Constant challenge.

Starting point is 00:58:21 Well, is he asking if we're having other people do that or do we actually manage We manage all of our own stuff. So that's something that we take a lot of pride in that we answer I mean, I I rarely ever miss a DM and I knock on wood because sometimes it takes me a few days Some some points. Yeah, at some point I I pretty much answer every single DM that gets sent my way right now. I still can. It takes a lot of fucking dedication, my part. The boys and I are on the forum every single day, commenting and answering as much as we possibly can

Starting point is 00:58:53 on there. Same thing goes with Facebook, YouTube, and all the other platforms. So, you know, right now we manage it. And I'm sure the guys are probably the same as me. My girl halfway hates me for it. You know, she knows that it's, but she gets it, right? the guys are probably the same as me. My girl halfway hates me for it. She knows that it's, but she gets it, right?

Starting point is 00:59:08 So I think there's a difference between consuming social media and then using it as a tool for as a business, right? And she'll call me out on it, right? Like if she comes, locks by me and I'm guilty of this where it starts off I'm working. I answer the 10 DMs that I just got, I respond to them, I answer my emails, I get on the form, I answer a question or two, and then I read an article and then I go down a rabbit hole, the next thing you know, I'm watching like, you know, monkeys dancing with bulldogs or something weird, you know, like, so when she catches me doing that,

Starting point is 00:59:45 like, then she'll see that video. This she'll call me out, right, on some shit like that. Like, listen, I know you're not working now, and I'm like, you're right, you're right. But it's so it's easy to get sucked into that and you've got to be careful of that. But at the same time too, Katrina gives me a lot of latitude when it comes to this, because she understands that,

Starting point is 01:00:02 you know, 90% of this business revolves around social media and the interaction that we all have with our audience and our people that are looking for help from us. So it was something that each of us did and prided ourself song when we first started was being able to give, give, give as much as we possibly, it's why, I mean, I still get this to this day when we release a program.

Starting point is 01:00:24 I must have had 30 DMs of people that reached out and said, hey, I bought the program. I'm doing something else right now, but I always want to show my support for you guys because you've provided, you've changed my life, you've given so much to me, I'll forever buy anything that you put out there. So, and I think that's just a testament

Starting point is 01:00:40 to how much we all give on the social platforms and engage with our audience. I don't know too many people at the size and that we're doing. Now, mind you, there's three of us, right? So I think it's a little bit easier than something. Yeah, I think we all have that mentality that we want to just keep being as accessible as we possibly can and giving back and answering questions, obviously obviously and being available. I think it's gone to a point where yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of interactions, a lot of emails, it's a lot of forum posts and things to read. So my strategy has changed significantly from just responding based

Starting point is 01:01:23 off of when it comes in. I've been trying to be more Active like in the morning as much as possible then throughout my day So that way the end of my day like it's really tough like I have to I have to be more I'm trying to implement more discipline Within trying to be efficient and throughout the day versus at night and just kind of responding, because that's family time to me, and that's time where I have to spend, being present and being present with my kids and being present with my wife

Starting point is 01:01:52 and doing things that will benefit, my family environment, my family household. And so these are just things to figure out the balance and this has been a process, you know? And so I think like it's coming close to like, okay, I can manage this within this window and like I wanna try and stay as firm as I can to that. But I will also intermittently check

Starting point is 01:02:17 and see if there's a pressing issue that I need to respond to and I'm gonna respond. Yeah, this is a constant because we're're on social media so much because of our work, because we wanna connect with people, we wanna answer questions and help them, then you're on social media

Starting point is 01:02:34 and I've caught myself where I'll go through answer questions, do some work and then I'm fucking juggling between social media platforms, just looking at shit, being, being, being, being, being, being. And I'll catch myself, and it's so funny, is that I don't always catch myself, that's how unaware it is, it's such a mindless thing when you're on your phone,

Starting point is 01:02:52 that then I'll catch myself, and I'll be like, what, did I just sit here for 35 minutes or 40 minutes, bouncing between social media platforms, not really do anything productive, but just, you know, kind of occupying my brain and wasting time. And so I honestly think, for me at least, I can speak for myself, just like, and I use nutrition as an example of this, because I think it's very similar. You know, when we, when, with the introduction of highly palatable processed foods came the responsibility to, you know, kind of watch what you eat. You know, we didn't have that, we never had that problem before. Like, we didn't have to because you didn't have food all the time.

Starting point is 01:03:37 So all of a sudden now, I can overeat and I can have any flavor I want, any color, any texture, and the side effect of that is illness, sickness, diabetes, all these problems. With social media, we didn't have that problem before because it wasn't there. Now we have it, I think it's gonna require conscious... Fuck yeah, it is. Conscious tracking, like we do with food. Like, how do you take someone into a deviding?

Starting point is 01:04:02 Well, you gotta go through a fucking process of tracking. got to go through a process of paying attention and being regimented before you can move to a point where it becomes automatic. I think that's with social media. I don't think it's going to happen on its own for me. So for me, what I'm trying to do, is I'm trying to figure out ways where I can structure it. And I don't know if that's, and I don't know anybody who does this, so I'm kind of trying to invent it. And so I've had a couple thoughts. One of them, Justin said something a few episodes ago that I thought was brilliant,

Starting point is 01:04:30 and that's, he plugs his phone in when he gets home to charge, and that's where it stays. He doesn't pull it off the wire. So the only way he can check his phone is if he walks over and checks it. And so I'm thinking of doing that and putting it in a place that is kind of strange. And that's somewhere I could sit down and relax,

Starting point is 01:04:45 but we're gonna have to stand at the counter or something. So it's obvious. So I was thinking about doing that. I was thinking about scheduling, literally scheduling time. So before work, lunch, and right after work, and then maybe one more time before bed or something like that, and then that's it. And other than that in between,

Starting point is 01:05:04 I'll only answer phone calls and texts or if I need to, otherwise just stay off it completely. Just like you would track your food where you know your proteins, your fats, your carbs, these are my meals, I plan them out ahead of time. Because I don't think I can do it otherwise. I don't think I could do it without tracking first because I've tried already, I've tried the whole, well I'll just try and be on less and I'll just try and it's, I end up fucking going back. I go back to more and more use and more and more use and,

Starting point is 01:05:32 you know, Jessica points it out to me and she'll tell me like, she'll get angry because she'll be talking to me and mid-sentence, I'll check my phone. That's fucking rude. Yeah. But you know, it's funny as I'm not funny, I don't even realize I'm doing it, and she'll call it out and get mad at me, and then I'll get mad because she gets mad at me, and then 10 minutes later, when I cool down and my ego's fucking relaxed, I'll be like,

Starting point is 01:05:54 well, she's right, that's fucking rude. Go on your phone while someone's talking to you about something. So I think I need to have some kind of structure, and I'm not quite sure what it is, but I'm gonna try Justin's thing first, where I come home, plug it in, put it over in the corner, and then it doesn't leave that spot.

Starting point is 01:06:10 And that should make it make me more aware, because I'm gonna have to get up, walk over, check it. You know what I mean, that kind of stuff. The end of the day, it's pretty challenging where we're at in this, because I think it would be that hard for me if so much of it didn't revolve around the business. Yeah, if it was like entertainment. Yeah, like I have self-discipline to be like, I'm not

Starting point is 01:06:29 going to be a mush and fucking Instagram all day long because I because I needed to feel this. You're right. I wouldn't be honest at all. No, I wouldn't either. I mean, I remember how reluctant I was in the past. Yeah, I mean, I, but this is advice for the kids, man. Yeah, well, you know, no, no, I mean, I, we just had someone ask us a question of the day about, what are the things, how we evolve and how they're, we tend to look back 20 years ago, we are doing this, how stupid is that? What are we doing right now that we're going to look back

Starting point is 01:06:52 and go how stupid is, are we, what we are doing? I predict the cell phone thing, I predict the addiction to social media is going to be something that I... I love if we didn't have to use them anymore. Well, but we were still interacting, you know, when we wanted to. It's only going to take a, in my opinion, it's only going to take another 10 or 15 years

Starting point is 01:07:09 of the abuse of it to start to see some serious outcome of posture and behavioral addiction. And what do these kids look like that grew up with it since day one being addicted to it all the way to adulthood and what's happening with them? I think when those studies start really coming out and you're starting to see a little bit here and there, once those start to come out a lot, I think that's when we're going to look back and go like, what the fuck were we thinking? Well, when you're interaction. And it'll become like a smoking thing again, where it's not cool or like you see people

Starting point is 01:07:38 pull out, right now it's like you're watching it increase, like I just two years ago. You're waiting for the black backlash. Right, it's in the backlash is coming soon, soon you're going to see that. And I wouldn't be surprised if you start to see certain restaurants that try and encourage it by saying, please keep your phones away at dinner. It's going to become totally socially unacceptable. Yeah. I completely agree with that. Have you heard too? Like so I heard this, I think it was Joe Rogan with that what they do now

Starting point is 01:08:02 for like comedy shows, like their institute, they have a business that actually takes and manages your cell phone. And so like you check it in. So you check your cell phone in, and then that way like nobody's allowed to have a cell phone as they watch the show. And then you know, as you come back, you have like a tag just like you're checking in,

Starting point is 01:08:21 you're your coat, and then you know, you get your cell phone back and all that stuff. But you're gonna see more and more that I believe. I believe it's gonna be everything. I believe right now you have company, or you have businesses like Apple Bees and things like that that are catering to it, you know, by putting a fucking digital thing

Starting point is 01:08:35 on there to play games and interact, which I think on there, from their point, it's smart because they're jumping on the rise of this right now, but I do believe like much, many things that it will see the pendulum swing the other way when it gets out of control, especially when we start to see the damage that it's doing. I can see my posture change already myself.

Starting point is 01:08:53 Like I can see it and feel the difference already of the forward head. It's accelerated in the last like three years of my life than it did in the previous 30 years of my life. So, I feel like my eyes have been severely affected. Right, see, like I'm always wearing glasses now And it was like it accelerated like over the last two years that fast made a big I noticed something big with the fast too was

Starting point is 01:09:12 Everything seemed so sensitive like nutritionally, but it even seemed really everything seemed really sensitive Like even with like the computers like so right now I've now trained myself to where I could stare to God damn screen almost all day long and be okay. After that fast we had, I noticed that after like an hour or so of staring at the screen two hours, I started to get ahead and shit. And so that was weird. I didn't even put that together, dude.

Starting point is 01:09:36 Oh, same response. Yes, that was a big flag for me that like, whoa. Sure, I can just, and your body, you know, you start off with one hour, then two hours, then four hours, then five hours, or maybe eight hours a day, you're spending looking just, and your body, you know, you start off with one hour, then two hours, then four hours, then five hours, or maybe eight hours a day, you're spending looking at either a computer screen, a phone screen, or a TV screen,

Starting point is 01:09:52 and it's not affecting me anymore, but to me, that's because I've let my body get adapted to that slowly over time, and that it's not affecting me negatively, or at least I can't see it, because I've probably downregulated some places in my body and my brain. Now I'm back to after the fast. Oh my God reset all that one, two hours, turn the screen and I'm getting headed. One of the reasons why I want to fast every month is also because of that.

Starting point is 01:10:18 I notice and I don't know what better word, I don't know a better word. So please excuse me, but the emotional spiritual benefits. And so I'm only saying, I don't mean necessarily I'm talking to God, but what I mean is, I feel more clear with my abuse of my phone, I feel more clear with how I communicate with my kids, the people around me, because I do think that food can be extremely numbing. I really do. And it's funny because when you fast for a few days, you realize like, okay, what am I gonna do right now? Normally, let's go grab some food. This is a great way to take up time.

Starting point is 01:10:55 Now that I'm not eating, what am I gonna do now? And so we don't have that thing to distract you and numb you, it tends to make you a little bit more aware. But I do think with social media, I completely agree with you Adam. I think it will become socially unacceptable. I think people will go to restaurants and places that ban phones because they feel like they need

Starting point is 01:11:15 to go somewhere to ban phones. You know what I mean? Oh cool, I get to go there with my friends. Right, I can guarantee that I'm gonna have great interaction with my friends because that place doesn't allow us to come to phones. There will be someone, you'll see. It's not yet, but when you start to see that come out

Starting point is 01:11:27 where you see more and more negative from all this tech, then you'll see companies that will jump, that will be different. They'll wanna be different, they're gonna say, and this will be the beginning of the divide that I believe of the plug and the unplugged. Do you define a bar chain or whatever? I would have that as like mandatory.

Starting point is 01:11:42 Cause nobody's allowed any phones. No doubt. No doubt. No doubt. I would have that as like mandatory. Because nobody's allowed any phones. I mean, no doubt. No doubt. I would love to go there. There will also be the thing on the other side, which will more interactive places when you walk in and your phones automatically populate to the menu, and you just order right from the profile

Starting point is 01:11:59 from the person sitting at the bar. Yes. So just because I'm saying that, doesn't mean everybody's gonna change. I believe we're gonna start to see a division of people that want to see more of that, want to be more player one. And then you're going to see the other side of people that want to become more unplugged. And I think we're going to see what is your guys is it like instinctual reaction when your girls tell you, oh, you're on your phone too much. Like

Starting point is 01:12:23 right away, how do you feel? Well, It depends on what I'm currently doing when she calls it out Yeah, if I'm if I'm doing something to get angry like so I'm pretty good about being objective right So if she says that to me and I look down and I'm like I'm doing like I'm creating a post I'm responding to a foreign member. I'm so that I'll tell her like hey, I'm working right now But if she calls me out and I'm like right in the middle of like Yeah trolling you know, I'm working right now. But if she calls me out and I'm like, right in the middle of like, yeah, trolling. You know what I'm saying? Or bullshitting or just consuming, then I check myself and I'm like, you're right.

Starting point is 01:12:51 You know what I'm saying? I don't need to be on that right now. Because I find my instinct is to get irritated because you're telling me to stop doing something and then it makes me super hyper aware of just how addicting this fucking thing is because why am I so irritated right now that you told me?

Starting point is 01:13:04 Well, see Katrina, she's smart. She won't tell me. She she'll just ask me she's like, oh, what are you doing? And it's so she'll make me think about it. You know, I'm saying I look down at her I'm like she's in the living room, you know stuff's going fires going she's doing something and then I'm instead of being there I'm being present with her I'm working or I could be consuming and if I'm consuming Courtney is not a salesman She's gonna put that She's just like you have your phone you've been fucking on that all day, or whatever. And it's been like, one minute. I'm like, dude, something.

Starting point is 01:13:30 I'm just like, and then I get angry. But then, yeah, so this is where it's been that thing. Am I getting angry because, you know, I feel like I'm doing something valuable right now. Or am I getting angry at myself, you know, for being consumed by this? Or am I getting angry that I'm just being told what to do? Well, and I'm gonna defend us too,

Starting point is 01:13:52 and that's because there's been time just recently, Katrina came home from work, you know, it was like four or five o'clock, and I was in the thick of like riding a very long post or email, I don't even remember what it was, but I know I was very into it. And she come walking in and she just like, kiss me, cut in between me, being on my computer and stuff like that. And then, you know, hugging on me and, oh, wanted to talk right then and there

Starting point is 01:14:14 about it. I'm like mid-sentence of writing something. And you could tell that she just wasn't getting it back from me very much. And she's like, could you just put that down for a minute? I want to talk to you about your day. I said, honey, I know that you've had a very long day today and your day is over and you're now and you've now got home and you want to relax, unwind, shut off from business and work and you want to communicate with your partner and enjoy that process. I would love to enjoy that process with you, but you just interrupted me in the middle of my train of thought and I'm in the middle of working and I'm in work mode right now and I've been in work mode for the last hour and I can't wait to get to where I shut down just like you and we can do that.

Starting point is 01:14:52 So I don't want to be rude, I don't want to be mean to you, but you know, get out of my way right now. Just reminded me of a frustration with that because yeah, I'll get in moments where I'm like deep in thought and like I really have to like string my thoughts together and then put it down and you know, sometimes, so I'll go, that's why I created the office. I try to like designate wolf, I'm in there then, but sometimes, that's good idea.

Starting point is 01:15:15 Sometimes I'll like be in the living room and I'm like trying to respond and write some long post and she'll just start talking to me and I'm like just a second, you know, and I'm still writing and she keeps giving me all these details, details, details, details. And then it's like, later on, I get in trouble and I'm like, listen, I can't multitask,

Starting point is 01:15:36 I can't listen to your details while I'm deep in thought with trying to write this. So that's like a constant battle. Maybe you just hit on something that would be a great strategy is having your at home office and then making a deal with YFU's at listen. If I'm sitting in my debt, if I made the effort to get up out of the living room, walk into my office, sit down and get on a computer, get on my phone.

Starting point is 01:15:55 Well, that's where you plug your phone in, right? Yes. And that's what I've been trying. I've been trying to write because to me, that's fair. That's like, because that's no difference that you're still being at the office. That's right. Somewhere else like that. And it's like, hey, listen, I'm in my workspace right now. That's right. You just create that. Right. And then if I'm on my couch in front of my fire or whatever like that, then you got me. No, I'm literally going to do what

Starting point is 01:16:15 would Justin said a few episodes ago. In fact, I was talking, I was thinking about doing it starting at this weekend, but for sure, I'm going to do that because I feel like that's a good starting point. Yeah. Next question is from Rorke Q. There was a recent news article in California about petitioning to ban tackle football for kids under high school age. Are we becoming too nerf like that? What's everyone's thoughts on the topic, especially the dads of the group? So, uh, fuck you, Quinn, you want to know my opinion or what?

Starting point is 01:16:43 Yeah, first off, uh, first. First off, I fucking called it. This is 100% what I knew would start to happen. Now it hasn't been made law. Just more regulations. But it's been, as soon as they knew that there was dangers, I knew that the state would come out and be like, because what the state does, why can't we just let our parents parent make that decision?

Starting point is 01:17:02 Why do you exactly let the parent, bro, if you as a parent can't make that, if you can't control your household and get your kid to decide to play football or not play football, then why should you ask government to get involved? Because governments job is, they literally sit down and they think, what else can we control? What else can we regulate?

Starting point is 01:17:19 What else can we do? And so they're always trying to find things. The funny thing is, you take all the kids that are killed from tackle football under high school age. It does, it pales in comparison to how the kid that drowned in swimming pools, but I don't see them trying to ban swimming pools. And it's because-

Starting point is 01:17:34 Or fall out of windows. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. The reason- Now, is football dangerous? Definitely. Can it cause problems with the brain? Yeah, especially the bigger you get in the harder you hit.

Starting point is 01:17:44 But a law, really? Are we gonna make a fucking, this is crazy to me. It's insane that we're gonna make a law against it because you know what's gonna end up happening? Okay, let's just, I doubt this level pass, but let's say it did. Let's say it became illegal for kids under high school age to play football.

Starting point is 01:18:01 You know what that means when they enter high school? They're gonna play football in high school and they're not gonna know how to fucking hit. They're not going to know the technique because it's very technical the way you hit someone. And they're going to get fucking good enough to even play. They're not going to let them on the team because they're not any good because he can just play with their. Well, if they're in California, they're playing with other California kids, but look, you know, Justin, you played football for a long time. Imagine a fucking kid, first time you ever hit someone

Starting point is 01:18:26 with the pads now, he hasn't played football ever and he's like 14, 15 years old. That's injury. It's crazy, yeah, well, but to be fair, like that's exactly how I got into football. I started playing when I was a freshman in high school. But the thing is, I was leading up to that. I was playing soccer before that, and like slide tackling.

Starting point is 01:18:46 I really was a physical kind of a player, even with basketball. I was very physical. But yeah, I didn't know the techniques. And like, there was kids on the team that had played P.W. Football and really understood the game and understood leverage and understood technique. And, you know, especially with tackling,

Starting point is 01:19:05 it's you have to master the technique of tackling to be able to prevent injury and to keep kids safe and to not use their head and, you know, all these things that you need to implement. It's just, to me, it just screams, it makes it more taboo. And then, you know, it becomes one of those things that like, to me, it just, it feels like people, people need, like, they need to feel like,

Starting point is 01:19:31 okay, this is going to help because it's safer or whatever, like, you know, we're doing everybody justice world. I feel like individually, like, the parents and the kids can decide, like, obviously, there's going to be risks in all these different sports. We can't just like, you know, put all these regulations here. We have to let them decide, the individual decide. The irony of this is, here's what the irony is, let's say they pat, because let's say their goals are good, let's say they have good intentions,

Starting point is 01:19:58 like, okay, we wanna prevent kids from playing football at a young age because it's dangerous. And that's really the intentions, which I don't think it is, but let's say it is. And they pass this law. What they're gonna do is you're gonna cause a backlash where people who don't like to be forced to not do something who really like football or whatever, are gonna say, fuck you, we're gonna keep playing football.

Starting point is 01:20:17 Other states are gonna be like, we're never gonna pass laws like this. Instead, what they need to do is, you just keep putting out information. If there's studies that show it's dangerous, fine, put the studies out. Let people make that decision. Let football evolve because that's what will happen. Trying to ban it is going to do the exact opposite.

Starting point is 01:20:35 Is that people are going to cling to it and they're going to do it more and they're going to make it more more. And more education is better. That's right. And I feel like yeah, exactly to your point, like parents should know the ramifications. They should know like, you know, in the developmental process, okay, if they get hit X amount of times,

Starting point is 01:20:53 like what this may lead to, or like, you know, you can kind of evaluate it from there, but at the end of the day, like let people have the freedom to do crazy stuff too. Like it's, there was so much more, like, and even if you weighed out as like, you know, what's my kick and get out of this experience?

Starting point is 01:21:11 Well, I'll tell you, dude, he's gonna get a lot. A lot out of the experience. He's gonna get learning how to, you know, navigate in extreme cause and effect. Like, you know, how can I make decisions like super quickly? How can I work with other people? And then how can we conquer like instrumentable odds? Like sometimes I was on the field

Starting point is 01:21:31 and I'm like, we're getting fucking killed. How do we, you know, rally against this? And then, and these are just like, impressionable things that will last with me forever. That's right. There's a reason why people are so passionate about sports. and it's not because they like to play a game. It's not just a game, and I wasn't an athlete in that particular sense, but I do respect and understand

Starting point is 01:21:53 that sports have rules. You follow the rules in order to accomplish an objective, you play on a team, or even if you're not on a team in your individual, you are learning how to navigate challenges, how to deal with failure, and how to handle success, which sounds to me like a perfect micro-casm of life. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:22:15 It reveals so much about your character. Many people say that sports build character, but what it really does is reveal character. And it creates this like, oh shit, this is the type of person I am. When things are tough, do I cry and go and quit or do I fight back and do I, and maybe that's how you respond initially. But then you grow.

Starting point is 01:22:35 You grow as an individual and you understand how much more effective it is when you actually stick in the trenches and you work through it. Next question is from anointed fighter. What do you guys think about the whole cratum issue going on with the FDA? Of course, of course, that's what happened. So cratum is a plant found in Southeast Asia is a plant found in Southeast Asia that has analgesic properties, pain killing properties.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Some people say they get euphoric from it, but really the reason why it's gaining a lot of popularity is you're seeing quite a few anecdotes of people who are going off opiates and using cratum as a way to get off. That sounds terrible. The opiates. Let's sounds terrible. The opiates. Let's keep them on the opiates. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:23:27 There have been some deaths associated with Cradle. I read some articles, something like 44. The problem is most of those deaths, the people were taking other drugs as well. So it sounds to me like there are people out there, of course, who are buying Cradle, trying to use it as a party drug and combining it with other drugs. There's always going to be those people.

Starting point is 01:23:47 Yes, and then they're going to have, how's that working out for them? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But, you know, I've dived into cratum of examined it. I've seen that are there addictive properties? Yes. Potential ones.

Starting point is 01:24:01 Is it anywhere near the addictive properties of opiates? No. Not even fucking close. Not even close. I didn't honestly, I didn't have, I didn't feel much from it. You tried it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when I was coming off of the vikin' and stuff,

Starting point is 01:24:13 I used it to see if it would help and I honestly didn't, I didn't notice anything. Where do you get it from? Get your bed online. Get your bed online. Yeah, but it's quite the process, even then it's not like you can get on Amazon. Let it online. Get you by online. Yeah, but it's quite the process even then. It's not like you can get it on Amazon. Dude, let me tell you something.

Starting point is 01:24:26 The second something comes out that can replace the biggest cash cow and fucking pharmaceutical drug. Well, it's probably see why marijuana's had such a hard time. Of course, yeah, it's why. Of course, because it's not, it's a plant. Of course, the FDA is gonna want to regulate it because the FDA's job, part of the FDA's job

Starting point is 01:24:42 is to protect the other company, drug companies from competition. If something comes out like marijuana, let's just, okay, so, so, create them could potentially be dangerous if you overdose whatever. Marijuana, good luck trying to overdose on it, it's not gonna happen. Totally safe from that particular standpoint.

Starting point is 01:24:59 Why is marijuana still federally scheduled one? There's no fucking reason, it makes no damn sense, except for the fact that it is competitive with pain killers and anxiety drugs and drugs that help you go to sleep. So the FDA's job literally is protecting the other companies from competition. That's I think what's happening with Cratem.

Starting point is 01:25:19 It's coming out, more people are using it. More people are using it for pain. They're replacing their opiates. And big pharma doesn't like that. FDA doesn't like that. Big pharma doesn't like it. Now more people are using it, more people are using it for paying the replacing their opiates. And big pharma doesn't like that, FDA doesn't like that, big pharma doesn't like it. So they're going to try it. And what they're saying is that they want to schedule it as a schedule one, which is a higher scheduling than opiates, even.

Starting point is 01:25:37 I believe schedule, I think opiates because they're prescribed, they're not schedule one. Schedule one means no medicinal use, no use whatsoever, which I think is, yeah, absolutely ridiculous. I think at the very least or at the very most, if it's one of those kinds of substances with high abuse potential, that kind of stuff, which I don't think it is from what I've read, but maybe just say,

Starting point is 01:25:59 you gotta be 18, to buy it or something like that, but banning it completely, you know what you're gonna do? You're just gonna create a fucking black market and there's gonna be a lot of synthetic copycat drugs like there was with marijuana that end up being much worse. Yeah, you know, people turn into zombies. Have you read about the overdoses that people have been doing on these synthetic marijuana drugs?

Starting point is 01:26:24 That's been happening for a long time now. I mean, yeah. And that's 100, none of that would happen if marijuana was legalized because otherwise why are they being forced to do this. So I think it's ridiculous. I think it's crazy. It's 100% corruption. I don't think this has anything to do with the best interest of.

Starting point is 01:26:43 Well, it's kind of, I think it's an obvious answer for us personally, just because I think we're all in agreement with, we're free market guys. So I think that we, I would, I think that all drugs should not be, I don't think we should have anything that's like schedule one. I'm all for more competitive options. Right, I think there should be a great universal place

Starting point is 01:27:03 where you could find education on all of them and studies to show the deaths and show the things that could happen from it and the addictive pro. I think that we should be better educated on all drugs and then I literally believe it should be up to parenting to to manage that. And I think some people are listening to oh my god, that'd be crazy. And then if teenage boys and girls could give it to each other and it's like well, yeah, you're thinking so extreme right now, but like we talked about earlier with the whole alcohol analogy. If it was something that was around in our society all the time and you had examples in your life where you've seen people that have used it and died or done things and got fucked

Starting point is 01:27:37 up, you'd be surprised how smart humans and kids are after a while when you start to see that they don't do that. So, and it sounds crazy to say that. Some people listening might be like, well, that's crazy. Well, we get 16 years old. We give them a driver's eye, say, a driver car. They could do a lot more harm to themselves in a vehicle. Of course, nothing to stop them from doing 120 mile an hour donuts around some fucking, you know.

Starting point is 01:27:57 But yet, we hope that they have the smarts to not do some of these things. Well, so the belief, there's two problems with our current belief system around drugs. One is that it's the drug itself that causes the problems, which is false. You know how many people do cocaine and drink alcohol and try a cigarette every day and don't become addicted?

Starting point is 01:28:20 Way more than become addictive. Way, way, way, way more. So there's that case. Now do different drugs have different physical and Physiological addictive properties. They definitely do but there's a lot more than just the drug So that's number one, but the second thing is most most people today alive today grew up with drugs being highly highly Regulated or banned so they don't know any better so to them. It's like oh no, they you know If it's just gonna be legal at the whole world

Starting point is 01:28:46 You know crazy, but we do have an example. We do have a real world example of a country that Didn't legalize they decriminalize is a difference now legalization means Stores sell it and it's in you know that it's it's part of the free market, you know type of deal a part of the market decriminalization means if you get caught with like a personal amount, which this is the direction that I'm throwing you in. This is what I'm pro for. I'm not trying to say like you kids should be able to go down to the 7-11 and pick up a thing of heroin or fucking cocaine.

Starting point is 01:29:15 No, I agree with you. I agree with you. I think step one is decriminalization, see what happens there, and then maybe, depending on the substance, maybe we look at legalization, but we do have an example of a country that decriminalized all drugs, all of them, crystal meth, crack cocaine, cocaine, heroin. Everything was decriminalized for personal use, meaning if you were found with a shit ton of it in the back of your car, you'd probably go to jail because you're probably a dealer. But if you found, if they found you with some that was personal use you didn't get you didn't get thrown in jail

Starting point is 01:29:46 You didn't get you know anything bad you might get a fine at the worst or they may they may tell you Hey instead of getting a fine you go take this course or whatever and that's in Portugal Portugal had in before 2001 had one of the highest heroin addiction rates in all of Europe. Their addiction rate was over 1% and the rest of Europe was at 0.4%. They had just a terrible drug problem. So their drug policy completely changed. They decriminalized all drugs.

Starting point is 01:30:16 So rather than throwing people in jail, they gave them the option for treatment and for help, which I know some people are like, oh, I'm not paying for someone to whatever. Well, you're paying for the motherfucker to go to jail and the reality is it's actually cheaper. It's actually cheaper. It's a good point. It's actually cheaper to rehab them and then house them and it gets.

Starting point is 01:30:33 Yeah, what are you really doing for the individual? It is. So if you want to save money, if you're all about saving money, saving tax dollars, it's smarter to take someone and give them the option for treatment rather than throw them in jail Or now we're spending money on housing them and feeding and then of course you turn them into a criminal Now they have a felony now they can't get a job and now we're basically gonna be spending money on this motherfucker for the rest of our lives

Starting point is 01:30:55 Yeah, because we put them in the situations very hard to come out of Portugal flipped it on its head decriminalized people get treatment, the addiction rate dropped considerably, overdose rate dropped considerably, AIDS cases and HIV cases dropped considerably, crime dropped considerably because the black market became less violent. So huge success and it's now 2018. So we've now had over 15 years where we can look at a country that is in Europe, that's a decent sized population and say, what happened there? Did it level out, Sal, or is it continuing to show progress?

Starting point is 01:31:33 Is it getting better? Is it getting worse? Is it staying the same now that it's gotten better? It's gotten better, and it seems to have continued to get better, but I'm sure at some point, you know, it's going to level out. I don't think it's going to like, you know, fix all the problems, but they're saving money. Less people are addicted, less people are overdosing, you know, less crime. Like I can't think of anything like what bad came from that, you know, when less people

Starting point is 01:31:59 are using it too, by the way, the drug use rate in Portugal actually went down because I do firmly believe that, especially with kids, there's this whole taboo effect where something is cool. Dude, that's how I was illegal. This is how I was with alcohol. I 100% know for a fact. I consume more alcohol between the ages of 16 and 21 than I have from 21 to 36.

Starting point is 01:32:23 Yeah, 100% and it's all because of the fact that you're not supposed to. And it's bad. And it's like, oh my God. And you just do it in excess like a asshole. Right. Same things happening with marijuana right now. Right. It's not nearly as cool when you're a kid to smoke weed

Starting point is 01:32:35 as it was when we were kids because. Oh yeah, it was edgy. It was like, oh my God, he's a rebel. He's bad. It's like it's not a big deal. And he's like, oh, you're just smoking weed. Right, right. And then you smoke weed all the time, you're kind of a loser.

Starting point is 01:32:43 Right. That's what you're seeing now, even with young kids. It's crazy a big deal, it's like, oh, you're just smoking. Right, right. And then, oh, you smoke weed all the time, you're kind of a loser. Right. That's what you're seeing that now, even with young kids. It's crazy. Yep. So, if you go to the app store, you can get the Mind Pump Media app, where you can download all of our shows, and there's a search function on there. If you want to look up a topic, makes it really easy

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