Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 711: Squat & Deadlift Substitutes, Repairing a Damaged Metabolism, FRC's Impact on Fitness & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this motherfucking episode of Mime, Just scare everybody. You have a lot of people that are just dropping in today, man. What do you have to say to those people? So, in our...

Starting point is 00:00:24 During our 58 minute introductory conversation that includes a lot of current events, we talked about the black panther movie. That's right, yeah. It was really good. Can white people go see it yet? I think you can, I think we should. Let's do this.

Starting point is 00:00:38 Then we talk about Netflix Dirty Money series. Mm, we gotta love that dirty money. Good series. We talk about passive aggressive mothers. Do we all have one? I'm pretty sure that's a common thing. I love my mom along. Yeah, me too.

Starting point is 00:00:52 We talk about the new diet coke that is now flavored with Ace K. That's right. Drop the ass partane for some Ace K. Is this artificial sweetener better than the old one? Or will they give you a fine this chemical? Or are you gonna get more cancer? Then the next thing we talked about, the grenade throwing fail.

Starting point is 00:01:11 What a pathetic bunch of men. I'm embarrassed. I can't even. I'm embarrassed. I can't even. We talk about guy, a guy cementing his head in a microwave. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:22 And other stupid attention- Obviously a friend of Justin's. Yeah. And then after we're having fun, we get serious and we talk about gun control. That's not a very divisive topic. I'm sure it's pretty strange. I do. It'll be super smooth.

Starting point is 00:01:35 How well I'm curious to see our transition on that. Do we transition that over? I know. It doesn't sound like it works right out of that. Guys, see Mids. Subents head in microwave. Oh, by the way, did you guys see the shooting in the school? Yes, terrible.

Starting point is 00:01:45 Yes, terrible. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, is FRC, which stands for? What is it called? Functional range conditioning. Is that the future of fitness? We recently had them conduct a certification here. Any trainers in here, man.

Starting point is 00:01:59 At my pump media facilities and people are loving it. Is it the future or is it just an awesome tool? The next question was about helping a woman get her body back. She did extreme dieting, extreme diet prep, hormones are at a whack, lobster period, her body is just holding on to body fat. Like what is the strategy to getting her body back to normal so she can get lean again. The next question was, what are good substitute exercises for deadlifts and barbell squats? If there is such a thing, how can you substitute for those two movements?

Starting point is 00:02:36 And finally, probably our most deep and scientific, science-based question we've had in a long time. Deep indeed. A very difficult question to answer, except for Adam, he had no problem answering this. Where's the weirdest place we've all gotten head? Yeah, that's it. We did go to it.

Starting point is 00:02:56 You know what? Also, I think it's important in this episode, not to transition from the weird head question, but we did talk a lot about, in the deadlifts in the squat question, we discussed a lot about prime and prime pro, and those of you that are listening that struggle with squatting or deadlifting,

Starting point is 00:03:14 not replacing that with leg press or leg extensions or other machine type exercise, instead of doing that, getting to the root cause of why you have a hard time squatting or deadlifting, and that is the exact reason why we built prime and prime. So if you do not have that, get those programs and keep telling people, you have a fucking 30 day money back guarantee. If you apply what we've taught people in this and you're somebody who can't deadlift or

Starting point is 00:03:42 squat, you can get your money back if it doesn't work miracles for you after following it for 30 days. That's right. We also mentioned our sponsors. We mentioned Organify. We talked about their Cacalblis and their gold juice. If you go to OrganifyShop.com, enter the code MindPump, you'll get a discount. Then we also mentioned Thrive market our other sponsor. They're a company that sell non-GMO and organic products food and skin products and herbs and much more

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Starting point is 00:07:11 They were letting white people in yet? They did. I heard on the radio, it's like. I remember, you don't forget. Yeah, you make silly him. Just a get go, I know. No, yeah. I got away another week.

Starting point is 00:07:23 I'm lucky, like Sicilian or, you know, like darker Mediterranean people in particular, and I know this because one of my very, very good friends, years ago was black and his mom actually told me that she goes, I go over to his house, we walk in, and his mom looks at me and she goes, he's not white, and then my friend goes, what do you mean he's not white?

Starting point is 00:07:42 And she goes, he ain't white and she goes, where are you from? And I'm like, oh, my family's Sicilian. She goes, oh, you're just like us. And then she's like, what do you mean he's not white? And she goes, he ain't white. And she goes, where are you from? And I'm like, oh, my family's Sicilian. She goes, oh, you're just like us. And then she's like, he walked off. And so I'm like, oh, shit, I can't hang out with you. I heard it was awesome, is it great? It was good.

Starting point is 00:07:54 It was, it wasn't as great as people said. It was, but it was good. I love the guy that plays Black Panther, think you did a fucking great job. Do you guys know the story of Black Panther the comic book? I have a lot of the comic books. I don't know the origin story though. So I'm not like super privy on it, but I know a little bit.

Starting point is 00:08:13 So at the time when Stan Lee wrote Black Panther, there were no like other big, you know, minority superheroes. It was like a big deal. Yeah. And he did it at a time when it was like a big minority superheroes. It was like a big deal. And he did it at a time when it was like a big gamble. Like nobody, it wasn't like, now everybody does it now, I think, because they think that that element's gonna actually give them more popularity. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:08:38 Like let's do this and because it's more minorities than maybe, but back then it was a huge risk, but he did it anyway. And it had huge fan appeal, of course, because if you're a black kid growing up in the 60s and 70s, I can, you want to reate for that. You want to reate for that super hero to identify with. So, and then of course on top of it, it was a good story,

Starting point is 00:08:58 it was a good comic book, it wasn't just, it wasn't shitty, it was really, really well made. And then they called it the black panther, And then at that time, you had the 1966, wasn't when it came out. At that time, you had the Black Panthers coming out. And, you know, they were like a political, you know, kind of fringe movement or group or whatever. And there was pressure to change the name,

Starting point is 00:09:22 but they didn't because everybody was cool with it. Everybody liked it. So it's kind of really cool, but it was a good movie. There were definitely some racial undertones in there. Like, I mean, I'm not gonna ruin the story for you, but, you know, Wakala, I think is the, no Wakanda is the place he's from, right in Africa. That's where they get all the technology and stuff.

Starting point is 00:09:43 And, like the bad guys want Wakanda to go to war with the colonizers, aka European white people to defeat them on behalf of all the oppressed, you know, minorities or whatever. So there's that kind of racial undertone, which is today is very interesting, right? A little bit, yeah, so. But, and that's cool, that's today, right?

Starting point is 00:10:12 What's going on today? Do you go watch it yesterday? Watch it with my kids. I, you know, I, Katrina and I, Ben's watched the dirty money series. You kept telling you texted us like twice, what is that about? Yeah, now it's really good.

Starting point is 00:10:23 It's really good. Although I will say by the last episode, I was a little let down because it, I feel like documentaries as much as I love to watch documentaries, I mean, everything has a bias, right? So you definitely felt the anti-Trump campaign behind it towards the end. And there was hints of it in the middle of it. So more towards him and not in general. Right, right. And they, I mean, the whole last,

Starting point is 00:10:53 so there was, I think six or so, did you watch all of them, Justin? No, I just made it through like, mainly the VW stuff in the beginning. Which is about money. It was really, yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's about money and politics are just corruption. So do you know, so the history of VW goes all the way back to Hitler?

Starting point is 00:11:08 Oh, yeah, he started it. That's a VW's, the people's wagon. Mm-hmm. Right, so they dove into VW, which I thought that was a very fascinating. So I also thought it was very fascinating too that VW was the vehicle of choice to all the anti, what's anti-government movement during the 60s with all the VW vans and then getting out and smoking weed. The irony of that being right. It was a fascist car. Yeah, exactly. That was its roots. Right, right. So I thought that was pretty.

Starting point is 00:11:40 It reminds me how like when people are like, you know, they're like, I'm for equality of everyone and minorities engage and they wear a cheque, Guevara shirt. Like the guy hated blacks and things. But this is a lot of this, what was cool about the VW story is, did you hear about the corruption? I mean, this is just 2015. Yeah, that was very recent.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Now I didn't watch it, but does it, but I remember there was something about them, clean diesel. Yeah, like lying or changing it. Yeah, it, but I remember there was something about them clean diesel. Yeah, like lying or changing it. So they created a little, you know, they hacked the system so that when they did the test indoors, it would register and like under the levels, but actually outside it was grossly 40 times. Grossly polluted. It was 40 times the amount you were allowed to have in there. And they, they revived the company off of that cheating.

Starting point is 00:12:28 I mean, they cheated that way to get into the US. And so they are pumping these children in our market. Yeah. So that was, I thought that was pretty wild. They had a couple good episodes. I mean, it was really good. So I recommend it to people. I think it's a really good series.

Starting point is 00:12:42 But I also did feel the the anti Trump feel to it. And then it was really obvious when the last episode was literally all about Trump. The thing that I hate when these these like documentaries and stuff go into politics is that they'll focus on it's usually look, the director is usually either, you know, right or he's left, right? Or she, she, she, here's either right wing or left wing. And so when they make these documentaries on how bad politics is and how corrupt it is, they'll focus on the bad on the side that they're against.

Starting point is 00:13:18 Right. When in reality, it's all the, it's all happening on all. It's a look at every angle. Oh, both sides do it. It's, it's, actually, there is no two sides. That's a big illusion. It's all, and it's all happening on all. To look at every angle. Oh, both sides do it. It's, actually, there is no two sides. That's a big illusion. It's all, and it's what, two sides the same coin. And I don't mind it, she's not even saying it.

Starting point is 00:13:31 I don't mind it, like grazing over those topics that I appreciate that, but you can tell when they're like, they're only pulling that out. You know what I'm saying? Like, the intention is to like, they're sharing it. Yeah, and their intention is to destroy one's character by presenting just this information.

Starting point is 00:13:48 It's like, okay, well, if you're gonna present all that, you gotta present the good side of what he accomplished and did also too. It's like it was made out to be how corrupt and dirty and he's really not that successful. But the other episodes are not like that. Yeah, the rest of them I thought were really good. I thought for the most part,

Starting point is 00:14:04 I enjoyed the series, Katrina and I enjoyed the series. It was really I think it's really good. Cool I'll check it out. That's I read up my alley. I love that. Yeah, now you'll you'll definitely dig it and each one is very very different So each each each one of the episode each one of the episodes is totally it's funny because you talk about Chronyism when you you have a when you have a referee in the game that actually plays the game, then the odds that the players of the game we're gonna try to get that ref to do what they want are really fucking high.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Of course. And they have a lot of money. Yeah, I mean, so it tends to happen that way. Man, my... This morning I get, do you guys, maybe yours does Justin, does your parents ever like guilt you? All the time. Oh, it's built into parents.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Yeah, it's always, if I haven't been over enough or I didn't call like some aunt, because of something that was happening and I'm like, or like somebody from high school that she ran into that I'm supposed to connect with and I'm like, I don't even know who that is. Yeah, so I get this message this morning because, you know, we travel quite a bit and when we're here, we're here, so we're working.

Starting point is 00:15:17 And then when I'm not here, I have a lot of scheduling and stuff to take care of with my kids in the house and then there's a lot of work that You know, I personally do outside of here. We all do right because we have the forum and we have Social media and you know all these other things that we're we're doing and then on top of my kids and schedule So it's just it's a it's like it's a spread thing it's not bad thing. It's all good stuff But it's just I have no time right so I don't I can go't, I can go through a whole week without, like, going and seeing my parents, especially if they're not watching my kids. Now if they watch my kids, by default, I'll see them because I'll go pick them for kids. I don't hang out with them.

Starting point is 00:15:53 I already know where the guilt is. So, so, so because of that, I'm, you know, my mom's like, you know, because she's like, you know, I know I love watching the kids. I love spending time with them and I know, you know, but I feel like you only like you only see us, we have the kids and we'd love to see your face and your father and I are not getting any younger and I mean just going down, like she might as well be like, we're gonna die one day and then you're gonna feel sorry for. I know, yeah, see you again. Mom.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And I have the best parents in the world, they're so loving and my mom is such a wonderful mom, but my mom is the, she's a black belt of passive aggressive ninja. Maybe that's where you're, you know what? Maybe that's where you're mine and your skill set came from. Did I ever tell you the story that when Mark and I were driving in my truck and this was back when on-star just came out. So I had the on-star on and I'm talking to my mom in the truck like that and he's sitting in the seat next to me

Starting point is 00:16:46 And he's listening to the conversation and when we hang up the phone He starts laughing and he's like this is where you get it from and I'm like I told was oblivious to it, right? It's just how I converse with my mom my mom can be so passive aggressive and be the super guilt-tripper That to navigate around that, you know, I've been doing that since I was a child So it's just it's really taught me the art of communication. So you talk about, you know, the things that you're, through necessity. Right, through necessity.

Starting point is 00:17:11 It was like, if I wanted to get anything done or I didn't want to get railed by my mom or felt make her, or let her make me feel guilty about something, I had to really learn to communicate around that. And so he actually heard that and he starts laughing. He's like, I always wondered where you got it from, you know, and he just came out of nowhere. I got to the around that. And so he actually heard that and he starts laughing. And he's like, I always wondered where you got it from, you know, say you just came out of nowhere. I got to the point now, I'm at the point now where she'll do something a little bit like that. And

Starting point is 00:17:34 I'll just call it out. I'll be like, are you trying to say this? Yeah. Like if that's what you're trying to say, like we can discuss this and then she'll deny it, deny it, deny it. And then we're done. And I just keep doing that because I think if you're Afraid of saying something straight to someone so you do it in kind of a little sideways way Well, there's no malintent with it. You know like I said, I love my mom to death and she's a great mother I there's no malintent. I think she just she's learned to do that and so when I call it out enough times I figure at some point she's gonna Just get a stop, you know, yeah, we'll see what happens Yeah, you probably figured out mine out. Yeah, I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:18:10 Did you guys see the news on the new line of Coke Zero that's coming out? What's going on? Not Coke Zero, excuse me, Diet Coke. They're whole new line. Yeah. So I mean, I've seen the commercials for it. There's a new type of artificial sweetener that I've not, I'm not familiar with. Have you heard of ACEK? ACEK, yeah. That's been around for a while. It has, it was approved back in 1988.

Starting point is 00:18:34 Oh, they're so funny. But they're, you know why they're doing that? Yeah, because this actually derived from a plant or is this something chemically-free. So this is something, look it up, it's called ACEK. It's something that in the past, they would pair it with Aspertain, and so this holdingly, so since 2005,

Starting point is 00:18:51 Diet Coke sales has been on a rapid decline. So it's lost like 39% in the market space. And last year, I think it dropped another 1.6 or 2% since the previous year in sales. And so, you know, they're kind of scrambling on, okay, this Diet Coke was supposed to be the answer to those whole obesity epidemic that we have going on, we are supposed to be able to market to people,

Starting point is 00:19:17 but it just goes to show you the consumer is becoming so savvy and people are weary of... This is what they do. So what they'll do is, people will start to, information will come out, sometimes it's accurate, sometimes it isn't whatever, so we're not even debating that, although we can debate the potential negatives and benefits.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Oh yeah, it's very known that we don't have any proof that this is healthy long-term. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not as... Obviously, we don't support artificial sweeteners, but that's beside the point. What they'll do is, information, I mean, I'm not a, obviously we don't support artificial sweeteners, but that's beside the point. What they'll do is information will come out. The consumer base will say, we don't like artificial sweeteners.

Starting point is 00:19:53 So then what a manufacturer will do is take away the one you recognize and replace it with another one. Yeah, there you go. So as per team, as per team, okay, so let's, let's just use this one. Yeah, so it'll say, aspartame free and people are like, oh shit, this doesn't have aspartame, this is good. So this happened in the supplement industry already, a while ago, long time ago, in the supplement industry, protein powders and stuff,

Starting point is 00:20:15 when we were buying them, we're sweetened by aspartame, and then aspartame in the fitness industry became demonized A long time ago. I don't know if you guys even remember this, but it was We were relatively young, but I remember distinctly because I've been buying supplements on my own since I was 15 years old Right, I go to the store and whatever and I remember distinctly going to God it was called you guys have ever been to that supplement store in San Jose the beehive or whatever Yeah, okay, it's like one of the oldest supplements. I'll be in yeah one of the supplement store in San Jose, the B-Hive or whatever? Yeah, yeah. Okay, it's like one of the oldest supplements. Or by Almedin.

Starting point is 00:20:46 Yeah, one of the oldest ones in San Jose, right? So I remember going there at the age of 15 or 16, like riding my bike there to buy protein and the guy, and I'd say, what protein powder and the guy would be like, do you want aspartame or aspartame free? And I was like, I don't, I really don't care. And then there's a lady next to me who was there buying supplements. And she was older, I don't, I really don't care. And then there's a lady next to me

Starting point is 00:21:05 who was there buying supplements. And she was older, but at the time, let's see, if I was six, she's probably 30, but she looked older to me, right? Because I was a kid. And she's like, oh no, no, no, no, you don't want to ask for a tame. Ask for a tame is bad for you this, that and the other.

Starting point is 00:21:17 It's a bad artificial sweetener. So I said, okay, get me the one without it. And what it had instead was sucralose. So what the supplement industry did a long time ago is replace aspart instead was sucralose. So what the supplement industry did a long time ago is replace aspartane with sucralose, although we know sucralose has a negative effect on gut microbiome and all these other things as well. But that's just what they do. So now, the mainstream, you know, sweetener market sounds like, because if Coke makes that move, then everybody else is going to follow. Oh, no, that's why I was I was in,

Starting point is 00:21:44 because I was not familiar with ACEK. I've never I'd actually never heard anybody mark that. And I was not familiar with that at all. And it's it claims to be 200 times sweeter than Asperta. So it's supposed to be a super artificial sweetener that Diet Coke is now going to launch. So be interesting to see they I think it actually might even be dare I say worse than Asperger. Yeah. Have you seen the actual ads for it now?

Starting point is 00:22:11 Like where they're like, yeah. So they highlight, I drink a Diet Coke because I can. Do you guys remember, I don't, was it our show or somebody else's where I brought this up? Like I totally thought that that would be the, like I think the future of advertising on shit that's bad is not that these guys will turn their ships but they'll just call it as it is.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Yeah. Like we don't live yellow. It'll be more like yellow will be the idea. That's exactly the mentality with it because- Right, even then you see they kinda make fun of somebody who's doing a marathon and like they're jabbing at people like making healthy decisions. It's all with their shit drink, the war has begun. Check this out. This is on

Starting point is 00:22:50 medical news. This is an actual medical website. So usually medical websites are very safe and kind of like FDA regulated type stuff like, oh FDA regulated. They're for it's safe. No, it's actually there's some evidence that long-term exposure causes cancer and definitely not good for pregnant women. So they may have traded out aspartane for something worse. Something even worse. Ha, of course. This scary and sad part is they don't give a fuck. I mean, the strategy is like you said it's so big.

Starting point is 00:23:17 It's just, you know, play the, play the charades game, right? By, okay, well, yeah, everyone's tired of aspartane. Let's get a name that they've never heard before and that's been approved since 1988 we're worried about it. It just strikes me as odd that it's been approved since 88 but nobody else was really using it as much and now I said we're going to like that in itself should be like kind of like a huh yeah yeah it's been around since then why were we using Aspartane before and not that but now that everybody knows it Aspartane's back for you and so they were scared of that word now we put this other one in there.

Starting point is 00:23:45 I just seems weird to me. So, seems like why weren't we using that before? If it's so great, right? It's because people aren't necessarily knowledgeable and informed what they hear is the... Aspertains. Yeah, that's it. No, totally.

Starting point is 00:23:59 I'm trying to talk to the consumer right now. Like, think about that for a second. Like, think, it's been around since 1980. Well, here's the next step. Nobody was using you before. Here's the next step. been around since 1980. Well, here's the next step. Nobody was using you before. Here's the next step. I'm gonna make another prediction here's the next step. So then the next step will be that

Starting point is 00:24:10 it'll be artificial sweeteners that people don't want. So then things will start to say, sweetened naturally, and then what they're gonna do is they're gonna take Stavia, and they're gonna process it to fucking hell and create a sweetener with that, but then it will not necessarily be like raw stevia, it'll be this highly processed natural. Can you, can you produce stevia even further down, you think?

Starting point is 00:24:34 Oh yeah, there is a product, I can't remember the name of it, that's from stevia, that is basically, you know, just because it came from natural, I'm gonna look it up right now. Super concentrated. I did not know that, I didn't know that you could it any more than what it was in this little powdered sugar form Yeah, it's called let's see what it's called

Starting point is 00:24:53 Reb a Reb a dioside that just sounds bad. Yeah, it sounds sounds like cancer. Yeah, like straight poison. His sounds like cancer to me. Cool. Not good. So you guys ready for some current events? Current events! Daily Pump Time! Daily Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup Pup P Be disgusted. Oh God. What are you bringing to us, bro? Be disgusted with the current state of men in society. Here we go. Okay, ready? Yeah. The US Army ditches grenade throwing requirements because too many recruits kept throw, kept throwing far enough. Oh my God. They actually, so they're lobbying it. To get into the army, there's tests you take, right?

Starting point is 00:25:50 So I get to run this particular speed, climb this wall, whatever. And one of them is, you need to be able to throw a hand grenade between 20 to 30 meters away from you. And because so many people can do it They're just gonna take it off. No more grenades. Well, I think they're still gonna use grenades Sorry, they're just gonna fucking throw them out of far Teaching the granny toss what the fuck wow that's sad man is going on how far is 25 meters dude dads out there? Do your job? I don't throw.

Starting point is 00:26:25 There's three feet a meter. So our studio right here is about, I don't know, I would say 40 yards. So that's a hundred and, you know, 120 feet right there, right? So it's less than the whole length of this. Did you camp bro grenade that far? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:41 You said how many feet are you? No, 20 to 30 meters. Okay, 23. So that's 90 feet. So it's so it's 90 feet roughly. Is it 90 to 100 feet? But even then that's not very far, bro. Well, let me look up 25 meters to feet. I want to be sure because that's it's there's There's three feet in a meter. Yeah, god damn. That's You're it's 82 feet. Yeah, this is that's what's going on here? Yeah, it's not very far. No, that's insane. So anyway, so there's two things here that I think we should talk about.

Starting point is 00:27:10 One, why can't we throw grenade this far? Yeah, what the fuck is going on here? Yeah, they just didn't learn how to even throw anything. It's either that or they're just weak sauce or you're probably both, right? And B, why is the military reducing its standards? Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that, you know what I'm saying? Well, they need recruits and so it seems like this big compromise.

Starting point is 00:27:36 I think that's the thing. That's exactly what it is. It's a fucking business, bro. Yeah. Why, you come on, you play in Coy. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it's a business. It's a turn of way. No, I'm gonna have to conform

Starting point is 00:27:47 Right, we're gonna point right now. We don't even care if these people have any fighting and whatsoever if you're willing to sign up I'll take you you mad. I'm just picture right there You're gonna put them in the drone section where they just sit there with their fucking you know goggles on and the Drone section, you know, you're a drone person You can't throw a grenade said you're the Xbox section. Yeah, exactly. Could you imagine, I'm just picture him right now, there's like, people are in battle

Starting point is 00:28:10 and there's like four guys and they're like down underneath the ditch. And they're like, all right guys, we gotta fucking throw these grenades cause we gotta make some space or whatever and then they pull the pin and then they're like, hey, I just cut off an interview with Chase Tuning right now from Everford radio. He would

Starting point is 00:28:26 have been a great guy to talk to about this. You have to break it up this week. You're with him. I think this weekend he interviewed this week. So make sure you bring that up. I'm gonna bring that up. Yeah. So I don't know what to do. Oh my God. That's that's sad. Well, it's just it says let's see. Yeah, just lacking the physical ability. So this is so according to general to major general Malcolm Frost, the commanding general of the US Army Center of Initial Military Training, what we have found is it is taking far far too much time. It's taking three to four times as much time just to qualify folks on the hand grenade course. four times as much time, just to qualify folks on the hand grenade course, then we had

Starting point is 00:29:07 designates. So what is happening is it is taken away from other aspects of training. Wow. That feels to me like if you go into the military of all of the things that they're going to teach you to or train you to do, they're like, okay, you need to be able to operate, like shoot this gun and hit this target. You gotta be able to like know how to cover people, you know, to all these stuff, like all these things. Difficulty wise, I feel like throwing a grenade. It's gotta be one of the easier ones.

Starting point is 00:29:37 Doesn't it feel like that? Like, that's the easiest thing. Oh yeah. Like here, throw this over there. You're done, cool. Next thing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Right. Wow. Crazy. It's done, cool. Next thing. Next. You have thing. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:45 Wow. Crazy. It's sad, man. The physicality is going away. Well, to stop. To start. To start. To start.

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Starting point is 00:30:14 Something like that. So more current event. Yeah, I got the, oh, man, more stupid YouTube stuff. So I just get so angry. So we talked about the tide pod thing and that being a thing. Well, this isn't thankfully, this isn't a thing,

Starting point is 00:30:30 but some YouTube channel, I guess, like their whole thing is they have like a calendar of like these horrible things to make themselves do, almost like the 30 days of whatever, like torture myself or whatever. And so this guy decided to put his head in a microwave with cement and cement his head into a microwave. And so he has like a he had like a straw that went out so he could breathe. But basically like his friends helped him cement his head into a microwave.

Starting point is 00:31:05 What? And this is real. Yes, it's real. These firemen had to come and like saw this thing off of his head and like crack and scrape this cement off. Like what in the fuck? I just read that and I'm like still thinking about. Doug, please tell me to find this online.

Starting point is 00:31:21 Look to stuff. I gotta see this. Okay, let me back up here. Yeah. A microwave. Obviously at this stuff. I gotta see this. Okay, let me back up here. Yeah, a microwave. Obviously a portable one. Right, so he was like trying to mold it to something. So he decided to use a microwave. And what he didn't know is like,

Starting point is 00:31:33 microwaves, they like weld these parts to you. So what he was trying to do, it sounds like, was make like a clay, like thing of his head, right? Like, yeah. And so he thought cement would be a good idea, cement he thought C meant would be a good idea, cement. Sorry. It would be a good idea to use.

Starting point is 00:31:49 And he actually cemented his head. He tubers his head in a microwave for prank. Fears for his life. Oh yeah, I mean, come on, dude, the guy can barely breathe. Once it's hardened up, like it. Can I just say something right now? That's a lie.

Starting point is 00:32:02 That's a total lie. He doesn't fear for his life. No. Obviously, this guy's a fucking lie. He doesn't fear first life. No. Obviously, this guy's a fucking moron and has no fear for his life or at least doesn't understand the client. I was gonna say maybe he has a moron and he didn't realize it.

Starting point is 00:32:14 You know what just goes to, like he literally was trying to get views. I mean, and this is the concern I have in the angle that I'm seeing like everybody start to take. Like the more stupid, the more shocking, like I'm talking about right now, which sucks that I'm seeing, like everybody start to take, like the more stupid, the more shocking, like I'm talking about right now, which sucks that I'm giving them, like, you know, any kind of attention, but at the same time,

Starting point is 00:32:32 like, where does this stop, you know? There's two, I have two, this is happening all over the place. Yes, I have two sides of me that think, there's two sides of me on this. One side is, don't give them any attention because then more people are going to do this stuff. And then the other side of me is give them lots of attention so that these people can

Starting point is 00:32:51 can get themselves out of the breeding, you know, population. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, because back in the day, let's be honest. Back in the day, if you did stupid stuff like that, I mean, you died and you didn't make any kids. And so it's one of the reasons why humans have succeeded or all animals. We've evolved because the dumb ones died for the most part and the smart ones continued. But today you cement your head in a microwave and then fire fighters come and save you. Back in the day, you know what would happen? You just let you die. Yeah, a long time ago.

Starting point is 00:33:22 You gotta rock that cement head, buddy. Yeah, your caveman buddies would have been like, well, I don't have the time or the energy to help you and you did this to yourself. So we're gonna be over your hunting, good luck. Yeah, good luck, you know. We'll feed you yogurt through that straw, you know. Like, you know, me if you're, you know,

Starting point is 00:33:36 that's all I'm saying. All I'm saying is, maybe when you thin the herd a little bit. Yeah, I can't think that he's letting the herd's let a bad idea. You and I touched a little bit on this with Amanda Bucci. She interviewed Sal and I, Justin when you were off doing the videos for Hit,

Starting point is 00:33:50 and this is the topic we kind of got into, not so much the cementing your head in a month. Oh my God. But as this culture of trying to replicate what you see others doing that have lots of views on YouTube or Instagram. And it's created this like culture of people that are out there just trying stupid shit, you know, running into people at grocery stores or doing weird pranks or, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:14 stapling your dick to a fucking desk and just weird fucking shit. That's a good one, I'm gonna tell you that. Right, getting Steve already did that. Right, doing weird shit to get attention. And I really wonder like if they understand like where where that Probably potentially leads for you, and I think there's a big misconception on you know having a million views and actually having a million dollar Well, and I know I'm off mic even with drama. We kind of touched on this because he's bringing up the example of like jackass You know, and like it was like their fifth movie or third movie

Starting point is 00:34:46 or whatever, how many of them they made. But it's like, it's not a long-term plan. Dude, the energy going into that, you know, you're 40 something years old and you're acting like that and like having to eat shit and having to, you know, like hang off of like something like, while the alligator is biting your ass, or it's like, dude, am I really do have to do this?

Starting point is 00:35:09 Did you guys have a friend? I feel like every group of guys has a friend that does these things. Did you guys have that? Okay, so here's my question for you because there's my own personal anecdote, my own personal experience. I've known several guys like this growing up, you know, that were part of my group, several of them.

Starting point is 00:35:27 And all of them ended up depressed or just not good. Like as we became adults, they either ended up alcoholics or, you know, having trouble with drugs or just, their life didn't work out for them. And so I started to develop a theory that when people are doing these crazy things, they're trying to...

Starting point is 00:35:48 Seek attention. Seek attention and get value from people. Yeah. And it stops working after a while. Then they don't know how to get the value. Yeah, and it's like they're not addressing, I mean, with your friends that you guys knew that were like that, did they end up the same way?

Starting point is 00:36:00 Was that just my experience? You know, I don't know where my buddy is at that was like that. I'm thinking of a guy in high school who used to, he used to do this. I remember him eating a horse turd one time in a biscuit. I remember him eating a pile of ants, a dollar an ant he did. I remember him.

Starting point is 00:36:18 I mean, he this guy did. I remember this guy pulled his dick out and put it in a hot dog bun and put ketchup and mustard on it and then walked around like he was offering people a hot dog I seen something to get me begun and shoot his ball like You know, it's funny. We were talking about low-test oscarone like this is Maybe this is why because yeah, we did this girls don't do this Like this is fun, maybe this is why because, yeah, shit we did.

Starting point is 00:36:43 Because girls don't do this. They don't, they just don't, they just don't do stupid shit like this. Like this immediately look at it like stupid. Why would I do that? This is for sure a guy thing. Like we for sure. Doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 00:36:55 And you know what makes sense? Like, I think it's a little bit of that, right? It's a little bit of both, right? It's like seeking attention plus the macho thing. It's a little bit of a combination of everything. No doubt, I agree with you that, you know, some of these, these guys that were doing this when we were younger, we're obviously seeking attention because they weren't either getting it at home or from other people or whatever. And so, but I also think they're, my girls don't seek attention like that.

Starting point is 00:37:18 You know, I mean, they do different thing. Okay. So explain that, that that said I got one more for you guys explain this all right So this guy this guy in it working out in a gym in Germany he Basically got his dick stuck in a five and a half pound weight In it in it he was fucking he was fucking the donut. He had it. Yeah, it was stuck in the donut And they had to like get somebody come like that's a big grind and saw I was right in it. He was fucking the donut. He had it, yeah, it was stuck in the donut and they had to like get somebody come like, that's a big guy.

Starting point is 00:37:47 Grind and saw, I was right. That's what, hold on. Hold on. Look at this thing, and then they had to smash it apart and everything. But hold on a second, is it a standard size or Olympic size? Does that make the difference?

Starting point is 00:37:57 It sounds like, because I've done it with the standard size, but I can't make the Olympic size. Because if it's Olympic size and he broke it on his own, hey, fire fire's been three hours using a grinder. So, so trip. So this is the thing like, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'll back up to this story real quick here,

Starting point is 00:38:17 because I got to know more information here. Oh, yeah. Because does this guy, it's at a gym, right? So I'm imagining like a 24-hour fitness, he goes and gets to play, then takes it to the bathroom, is that how this went down? You know what he's not fucking in on the gym for. Yeah, they didn't get into those details.

Starting point is 00:38:32 Yeah. Dude, maybe he was doing exercises. His young boy or old. Like, this is the time we shit you do when you're like 17, right? 17, you put your dick in some weird places. I think it was an older guy. You know what, Adam, I wish you were lying. Yeah, I wish that was fun. Everybody's fucked to counter. Everyone's fucked to bed. Stop right there. You're giving away too much. You're giving away

Starting point is 00:38:52 too much. Everybody's done some weird shit. Like what propels you to do that? Well that just takes a lot of balls. You're inside the gym and you have one of those moments which I've had before right? Like I wonder if I fucked that if that would feel good. I think every 17 year. You're giving away too much. I think every 17 year, you're giving away too much. I think every 17 year old boy, a cross-butt. But wait. But a wait, just because it has a hole in it. And a gym. Like at least I'm prepared.

Starting point is 00:39:12 I bring the wait home. Oh my god. There's bacteria. I got my vastly, I clean it first. I went to clean it. I would, yeah, I would clean it first. And then I'd have my vastly, I would be prepared for what could happen. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:39:23 You're not totally stupid. I had a friend, I had a friend once. I had a friend once. But a condom on you. I was like, was responsible. Do you guys remember when you like, when you reach the age when it was no longer a secret, you know, with your buddies that you jerk off?

Starting point is 00:39:33 Like it was a certain point where you and your buddies were like, oh yeah, I do that all the time. Right, right. I had a buddy who, do you guys remember those, I don't know what they're called, so I'm gonna try and explain it or describe it. They're made out of plastic and they're like, it's like a tube, but they're called. So I'm gonna try and explain it or describe it. They're made out of plastic and they're like, it's like a tube, but they're filled with water.

Starting point is 00:39:48 And like they slip out of your hand because they roll so quick. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember this. Okay, so I heard it. Didn't they, they made the flesh light to look just like a water. Yeah, it was like kind of watering. I remember that. Yeah, I remember.

Starting point is 00:39:59 Yeah, exactly. You can do this with your finger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you remember this. I had a buddy that he was like raving about how great it was. No. Baying his thing, his toy. So I just couldn't find one.

Starting point is 00:40:11 I was like, I'm gonna buy one. I couldn't find one. He's probably the founder of flashlight. Here's the thing, okay. When people say there's no differences between men and women, there's your evidence right there because... Yeah, you're gonna bang away in public. No, dude.

Starting point is 00:40:22 So statistically speaking, men are much higher or a greater proportion of men make up the end. If you looked at a line of, if you looked at a line and that line represented on the left on one end, insanity or jail or people who do just dysfunction, like major dysfunction. And on the other extreme, you had extreme accomplishments, like inventions or whatever, just extreme accomplishments. Either end, you have a greater proportion of men than you do women. So we, on the crazy side, for sure, men do way more stupid crazy shit than what's why we pay more money

Starting point is 00:41:03 for fucking car insurance. We just do do we just do Like if you if I were to tell you a story like hey a person Yesterday tried to invent a new pair of shoes that could absorb impact and jumped off a building and died I don't have to tell you if it's a guy or a girl You would know yeah, I'm right away. If it was a woman Do you know how like much news it. If it was a woman, do you know how much news it would make? Everybody's like, a woman did that?

Starting point is 00:41:28 What the fuck is going on? And it just, it's just so careless. Yeah, it just, it goes against what we say about men being logical, though, that's what's weird. On the extreme ends, right? It's so like prison dominated by men by far. Like, men break rules or break the law. They hurt people, they're more violent.

Starting point is 00:41:44 But on the other extreme, we tend to invent shit and do all that other stuff too so I don't know you can and you know what and it's because we're expendable we're much more expendable than than women are like you could have a society of very few men and a lot of women and that society is gonna do just fine the reverse your the reverse would be fucked like men don't so we're expendable in the sense that We can go off and do the crazy shit and die women can't if they do then everybody's fucked Then guys are just yeah, it ain't gonna work. Nope. Anyway, so I know we've been on a path of third rail dancing Oh god, you're gonna keep going this way. Just one just a little bit as this is our goal right here

Starting point is 00:42:23 You're not a little one if I know what you're gonna keep going this way. Just one, just a little bit. Is this, is our goal right here? You're not a little one if I know. It's a key pushing, pushing the limits until five. No, it's current, it's current news. Oh, what happened? And you know, since we're trying to cover current events, I don't, I don't want to gloss over something that's like, dominating social media.

Starting point is 00:42:38 What's going on right now, it's here. Well, you know, the terrible, terrible tragedy. Oh, I know you're going, wow, you're going to go there. Yeah, where the, Christina Rice brought that up with Salon. She did, yeah, she did. Yeah, I know how you're going to go there. Yeah, where the Christina Rice brought that up with the sound. She did, yeah. She did. Yeah, and that kid just went in and just, you know, just the horrible, horrible, I mean, unspeakable,

Starting point is 00:42:54 just disgusting act of evil. And of course, this always triggers a gun control debate in this country. And it's, for me personally, it's, and I understand why people would go there because it's the tool that was used for a terrible event. Although we don't necessarily do that when other things happen with other tools.

Starting point is 00:43:19 Like there were several mass killings in Europe. There were a couple in the UK and France where someone got in a car and just ran a shit ton of people over. And, you know, in China, there was a guy that killed 30 people with a knife attack in 2015. And people don't typically talk about those types of things. Like, like, like, oh, it's banned cars,

Starting point is 00:43:41 or it's banned knives, or even swimming pools, which kills more kids, you know, every month and kids can die from, you know, oh, it's banned cars or it's banned knives or even swimming pools which kills more kids You know every month and kids can die from you know cars or from excuse me from guns But we do tend to but I do understand why right because guns are right, you know Not everybody owns one most people A lot of people I should say not most people a lot of people aren't comfortable around them A lot of people, I should say, not most people, a lot of people aren't comfortable around them. Just like if a lot of people never drove a car

Starting point is 00:44:08 and they read the statistics, I think they would be uncomfortable around cars too. Imagine, imagine if we would... It's just back into, you know, horse and carriage day, right? And you're all of us are going around and our horse and carriage and also there's like, this fucking car flying in and out of it in front of us.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Like how scared of death everybody would be. And so that's part of it. And we so anti-air, right? And so it would be so anti-air. And so it's this whole gun control thing. And so what I like to, when I talk about, because I have a lot of friends on either side of this debate, I have friends who are very pro gun control. And then I have friends that are very happy

Starting point is 00:44:39 with the way the laws are now and are very staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. And I'm obviously pro-liberate individual. And on a moral level, I do believe are now and are very staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. And I'm obviously pro-liberty individual. And on a moral level, I do believe that humans have a right to defend themselves. And I don't think that should be infringed upon. Because from a moral, you could say whatever you want with it, maybe it's dogmatic, but it is something that I firmly believe morally speaking is somebody's, you know, God-given

Starting point is 00:45:03 or whatever you want to call it, right, or liberty. But that being said, I also like to get into this discussion and talk pragmatism because I don't want to be dogmatic, I want to be realistic, I want to be pragmatic. And the only way to do that, the only way to do that is if we eliminate or try to, it's impossible, right, but eliminate emotion from the conversation, try not to be charged about it, and just look at the numbers,

Starting point is 00:45:32 and look at the pragmatism of what is being proposed as a solution with new gun laws, and see, and let's just do that and see what makes sense. Not what feels good, but rather what makes sense because laws that are based on intention and not on result or are usually end up terribly or when we have a problem, but we don't fully understand the problem.

Starting point is 00:46:01 So then we try to create a solution for something we don't understand. And I can say confidently 100% right now and I'll debate anybody with this the problem of a 17-year-old kid or a random individual going into a school and Killing innocent children or people and then killing themselves, which is usually what happens although didn't happen this time It's usually what happens that

Starting point is 00:46:31 is clearly far more complex than they're just being access to guns. To me. Oh, there's minutes like what we talked about. There's a very complex problem. There's a ton of variables that come with that. And I know Christina was trying to get us to talk about that and the possibilities of it having to do with nutrition and what's going on with our food. Mental health. Yeah food mental health, yeah mental health and You know, I I don't agree nor disagree with that that theory

Starting point is 00:46:52 I don't but I 100% don't believe it's one thing. I don't think there's one thing that is Causing these people to it now we want to point the finger at the gun because the gun obviously is the tool that was used for that. But I don't think guns would eliminate evil and I don't think guns would do that at all. And this is coming from somebody who my father took his life with a gun. So if guns didn't exist, I'd still have a father technically, right?

Starting point is 00:47:18 That's what they would have you believe, right? If he didn't have a gun, then he's not gonna do it. Although I disagree with you. Yeah, I feel like if you really wanna do it. Right, I think when you do things that extreme, whether you're taking your own lie for your taking some... I think the tool doesn't matter. Yeah, I think exactly.

Starting point is 00:47:34 I think the tool, it's a reductionist mentality. I wanna figure this out. Like, what's the culprit? What's the one thing? And it's like, these guys said, I just don't feel like it's one thing at all. So what I've done is I've dived in pretty deep. And I did this after Columbine, remember Columbine?

Starting point is 00:47:52 That whole deal with the kids that went in and it was terrible, right? And I was young at the time, I was in my 20s and it was shocking to me. And so I dove deep into these situations and like why? Like what's going on? Like, you know, people like to say they're just crazy, right? Well, they're just crazy people. Obviously, obviously they're fucking crazy. But what does that mean?

Starting point is 00:48:17 And there's a lot of crazy people. Why do some people do something like that? Well, the Columbine killers actually wrote considerably, considerable amounts of text about how they felt and why they did what they did. And I think it makes sense when you're trying to figure out why to listen to the reasons that they give you. That thing there's an excuse or anything like that, but I think you're going to get more insight. Like, well, what are they right? I don't understand why we don't why we don't handle this the same way that we handle successful robberies of a bank.

Starting point is 00:48:50 A lot of people don't know that 50% of bank robbers are actually successful, and that's because they won't put it on the news, they don't talk about it, and that's because they don't want to promote more banks being robbed by letting people know that there's actually... Well, then they actually catch them, they use them to catch other bank robbers because it's like, you know, they don't know or they publicize those ones, right? So I don't understand why we do this with like a mass murder like there's

Starting point is 00:49:15 not to say that, you know, we should just keep everybody in the dark and not tell anybody. But the same time too, like when something like this happens, all of a sudden we put it all over the news. And then I feel like you get these other kids that want a copycat. So I don't know if you realize how much truth there is in what you're saying. So they've already known this as actual statistic. The more that these things happen,

Starting point is 00:49:37 the more likely they are to happen. And psychologists will say that if you're an individual who is in the state of mind, which I'm going to get into in just a second, of what they think, of someone who would do something like this, that a push, a slight nudge in a particular direction is sometimes all that they need. And so if you're on the edge, or you're in the state of mind and then you see something on TV, it tends to happen more often because I'll see it and then it's not necessarily that they want fame, although that can be part of it. More I think, and what they say is it's just, they feel something. And so what I was going to

Starting point is 00:50:20 get at is these people, when they write about what they did or why they did it, it is a sense of nihilism. It is extreme meaninglessness. Like there's anger, there's hatred, there's sadness and despair, and then there's nothing where you literally feel nothing. And that nothing space is actually the most dangerous state of mind for anybody to be in.

Starting point is 00:50:52 And so I used to train a psychiatrist and we got on the topic of suicide once and we were talking about at depth because there was a local surgeon, remember I used to train a lot of doctors and surgeons, there was a local surgeon, remember I used to train a lot of doctors and surgeons, there was a local surgeon, he was a general surgeon and he was a beloved doctor, like everybody fucking love the sky,

Starting point is 00:51:13 everybody love the sky, super nice guy, smile on his face, great husband, great father, and he, but he did battle with depression, but nobody knew because he kept it to himself. Well, he eventually took his life, he hung himself at a park, I think it was. And I was talking to the psychiatrist, so this psychiatrist was climbing mine who didn't know him

Starting point is 00:51:35 but knew of him. And I'm like, what, he's a father, like how could you, because it's so hard for me to understand, and of course I can't understand, not in the state of mind, right? Why would someone do that? And she goes, you know, it's not,

Starting point is 00:51:47 when someone's at their lowest point, like sad, sad, sad, that's typically not when they do something like this, because when you're that sad, you don't even have the energy, like you just wanna lay there. Like you don't even have the energy to do anything. And it's when you're coming out of it,

Starting point is 00:52:04 that you find the motivation or she's like when people feel nothing, where they literally feel so numb and disconnected that it becomes a living hell and that that everything is meaningless. Like what's the point? What's the point? I've heard a lot of anti depressants can like well, some speculate that that could get you in that sort of state of mind. So that's a side effect. It's actually a side effect of certain anti, and one thing that all these killers have had in common is they've all been on powerful,

Starting point is 00:52:35 anti-sacstatic or psychotropic type drugs like antidepressants. Now I'm not blaming them. Not blaming, because it could also be one factor, it could also be. This one factor. It could also be the effect of the fact that they were. I think blaming that is just as bad as blaming the gun, right? Yeah, it could be that they, why are they on them?

Starting point is 00:52:53 Well, they because they have these terrible mental issues, not that those cause them. But you're right, Justin, that is a side effect. And there are some interesting statistics to show that suicide does increase or yet to watch out for among kids who you put on antidepressants. In fact, they'll tell you, hey, watch out for these signs during the transition period when the person is going through these. So what happens in the state of mind where you feel nothing is if you start to hate life because of it,

Starting point is 00:53:21 if you start to hate the people around you, if your people are mean to you or your life has been tough for you and you've had a terrible, cause let's be honest, life is hard for everybody. There's everybody has challenges in life, but some of us have it a lot harder for whatever reason. And sometimes not as easy as looking at that person and saying, oh, that person has a tough life. Sometimes it looks like everything,

Starting point is 00:53:40 but in reality, there's a lot of challenges going on. So now these people develop, it's just a severe hatred for life and no value for it. It doesn't mean, it's meaningless and I hate it. So what I'm gonna do is just take out as much of it as possible and take myself out. And that is a state of mind that you're dealing with when we're talking about this. Now, I personally don't think it's a gun issue

Starting point is 00:54:04 and here's why I don't think it's a gun issue. And I don't like comparing the US to other countries' cause. That is, you can't. You can't compare this country to other countries because we're in a two-and-a-two guns encirculation. And we're unique. It's a unique country. You're right, Adam. We've had guns since day one. It's in our constitution. It's the second. It's not the first amendment, but it's the second amendment. It's been opened. It's there. We have more guns in circulation than people, period, end of story. They're already out there. And those are legal guns, by the way. We don't know how many illegal guns are out there. Well, look at us, you know, taking marijuana to a schedule one, what that did. I mean, it just drove a black market. Yeah. If you do that with guns, you're not going

Starting point is 00:54:43 to have, you're already out there. Yeah, it'd be impossible to get rid of... Not only get rid of all of them, it'd be impossible to get rid of even most of them. I mean, most of them would still exist out in circulation. Only now you drive the price up and then now you create a black market for it. Or without us getting into some kind of martial law state where they come and they take all your shit. That's it. And even... Tell me that's where they come and they they take all your shit and that's that and even and even and even tell me that's a good idea

Starting point is 00:55:06 Well, and even then that wouldn't that would not solve the black market that would just drive it even more because if they even got I just get a government when we're right you know that people that have tons of guns and found out martial law happen Would be bearing those guns for later and then you be turning around and selling them for a hundred thousand dollars a gun because they're so valuable The worst it would not work. The worst, because I've actually, and a lot of people say, no, we don't want to ban all guns, but I have heard people be like, ban them all, take them by force.

Starting point is 00:55:31 That's stupid. Worst, worst thing you could possibly do would be that for many reasons. Here's one. In order to create a situation or enforce a law like that, you would need to create a police state in this country. This country would resemble very strongly the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

Starting point is 00:55:52 Forget the killing the Jews and killing, just fine, none of that's happening, but in terms of control and power, we would have a Gestapo of our own. We would knock on fucking doors, kick doors down, and those are the people that legally have them. We would go after. So that's number one. And that police state, by the way, doesn't go away. It's not like they'd be like, okay, we got all the guns. Let's dissolve this police. Just like there's no more patriot act.

Starting point is 00:56:14 Bullshit, exactly. That would be the scariest, most dangerous thing we could possibly do. And then part two of that is, do you really fucking think freedom-loving Americans would give up their guns or peacefully? No way. You would create a civil war like you've never seen. So that's off the table, period and historic. Then I have people who say, well, let's just ban assault rifles. Well here's the thing with assault rifle.

Starting point is 00:56:38 Assault rifle when they describe, because we had an assault rifle ban in 1994, which by the way had no effect, had zero effect on any crimes or whatever. But assault rifles, that law that we had before was silly, because I could have two rifles, same caliber, same capacity, shooting a 223, same magazine, everything, one is a woodstock and looks like it's for hunting. The other one is a black, with a black stop and telescope, you know, arm rest or whatever.

Starting point is 00:57:06 And one looks like an assault rifle, looks scary as bad and the other one isn't. And they're exactly the same fucking thing. That's the law. That's how the law was. It would ban the ones that looks scary, basic. Because you can tell the people making these laws, don't know shit about guns.

Starting point is 00:57:18 They're absolutely silly. And then if you look at the statistics, do you and didn't you and our boy, Brendan get into, because he's anti-gun, isn't he? We didn't you guys get into a little, we talked about this a little bit. Yeah, what is his stance on it? Do you remember what we're doing?

Starting point is 00:57:31 You know, he wants, he's a thing, like I hear a lot of people saying, we want reasonable gun control laws, but my question to them is like, okay, what do you mean, what is reasonable? Oh, we want, you know, more background checks or we want to take them, and it's like, we can't take them from people.

Starting point is 00:57:46 They just do process because it is protected by the from the Constitution. I've heard people say maybe we should have a, what's it called when some, like a restraining order type of thing where if people closest to you report you, then the government, then the police can come and do a restraining order while they review the case to get, you know, the judge and ball. Now we're going to get neighbors, knocking on neighbors. Yeah, and that's got its own issues, right? And then the other thing is, here's the other statistic.

Starting point is 00:58:15 This is a fact, by the way, the last three decades we have seen, not just America, by the way, all Western nations, all Western nations have seen dramatic decreases in total violence, including gun violence. So the US today has less total gun violence, total violence, total murders than it did 30 years ago. And yet their gun ownership today is far higher than it was then. There's way more guns in circulation today than the US 30 years ago.

Starting point is 00:58:45 And, but this is a trend across the world because I'll have people being like, oh, Australia had a, you know, a mass shooting, then they banned guns and they haven't had one since. Well, they followed the same trend all the other countries have. So, was that part of it or is it that, and then here's the other question.

Starting point is 00:59:01 Are people not having mass murders in other countries because they don't have guns? So in other words, if people not having mass murders in other countries because they don't have guns? So in other words, if we just gave people guns, if guns were accessible in other countries, does that mean that then they would do all this as well? And I don't know if I believe that. I seriously think there's a cultural issue in this country. I've heard a lot of speakers speculate on speculate on this and have opinions and as far as it even being somewhat related to

Starting point is 00:59:29 You know the way that we have like suburb structure and like the way that you Live like adjacent to your neighbors, but you never have any interaction with them And so these interactions Person to person are just less and less. And it builds this sort of disconnect with, you know, that, that sort of positive interaction that you're supposed to have, that, like, that connection you're supposed to have with other human beings. You start to lose empathy and, you know, this could kind of spiral forward. You have a mental condition.

Starting point is 01:00:02 Well, the vast majority of gun violence happens in heavily populated metropolitan areas. By the way, vast majority, like 80, 85% I think, of all deaths due to guns happen by hand guns. And if you take out suicide, which suicide is, the victim is the own person, so it's their own selves. But if you take out suicide and you take out metropolitan areas, we are quite comparable to other countries, and we do have more metropolitan areas with more density of population than other countries or massive country.

Starting point is 01:00:31 So you take those things out and we're very comparable, but handguns make up a majority, the vast majority of gun violence and gun death. I don't ever hear anybody say ban handguns, and that's because they're not nearly as scary as an AR-15 or whatever rifle. And that's because they're not nearly as scary as an AR 15 or whatever rifle. And that's where it's coming from. I just think it's way more complex. That's why hate politics, man.

Starting point is 01:00:51 We're always playing on people's emotions. Like very few, and I feel like very few people know how to look beyond whatever the new law is going to be. And like, what is the domino effect if we put this in place? Like, they're putting out this in the news to obviously play into your emotions so that we can potentially pass some new law, new legislation that comes out.

Starting point is 01:01:12 But yet, none of you have this ability to really think, okay, well, what does that, because everything has a cause and effect. So when we decide that, okay, we're gonna come out with this new law or a new rule, think of all the positive things and also think of all the negative things that that potentially could cause and then weigh out your decision versus like, guns are bad. Get rid of them.

Starting point is 01:01:33 Like, wait a second. That's so idiot. It's such an idiot to think like that. Like, wait a second. What could that lead to and think about that and then would we be in a better place if you did that? You know what I just don't think so. You know what else nobody talks about?

Starting point is 01:01:45 The number of people that saved their own lives because they had a gun, it's in the thousands. Yeah. Every year. Yeah. People don't talk about that either. How many times people have saved their life, their own life because they had their gun? And how many, and there's a lot, by the way,

Starting point is 01:02:02 there's a huge percentage by the way, there's a, you know, huge percentage of gun-owning women, because people like to think it's a conservative male thing. Some of the loudest supporters of the Second Amendment are women who were victims of some kind of a crime, because let's be honest, if you're a woman and you don't live in a safe area or you've got an internet bad neighborhood or you have to walk to work or you're a single mom so you don't have much money or whatever, the fact of the matter is men are bigger, men are more aggressive. I us, we've never experienced that, right?

Starting point is 01:02:40 We've never experienced where we're walking down the street and we have to constantly think about our safety. Well women Do much more often than man I should say because guys are bigger and more aggressive and stronger if you're a woman and you're unarmed and a big aggressive guy wants to do something to you're Fucked you're like a child. They could hold you down. They could do whatever they want to you the great equalizer is The bear the right to bear arms and some of the most ardent supporters of it are women who are like, hey, look, I got raped or I got mugged, I went and got, you know,

Starting point is 01:03:12 I got, you know, my concealed carry license and now I feel confident and safe because I can defend myself because a cop can't be there, you know, in the next 10 minutes, three seconds. And the other thing too is, you know, people are like, oh, it's outdated, you know, let the next in like 10 minutes three seconds and the other thing too is you know people like oh It's it's outdated, you know It's let's take it from the from the you know the the bill arrives and you can do that you can try doing that It would require it's very difficult you would need a majority of You know the Congress and then you'd need a majority the states to ratify it and then you'd have to it would be a very difficult process But you can amend the Constitution it can happen a highly highly doubt that it would be a very difficult process, but you can amend the constitution. It can happen.

Starting point is 01:03:45 I highly, highly doubt that I would ever pass, but that would be the way to do it. I wouldn't be happy if it happened that way, but hey, you know, that's the way our constitution works. But we have to wonder why. Why was that the second thing in our constitution? Why did the founding fathers of America with this crazy idea of freedom and liberty

Starting point is 01:04:04 for the individual, which really is fucking crazy, especially at the time when there were kings and queens tyrannizing everybody. Why did they even put it in there? Well, because... For that reason, thank you. So it couldn't go back to that. To fight because against tyranny.

Starting point is 01:04:19 And then for people who are like, just come knocking at your door and fuck with you. And you know what? And then people will be like, oh yeah, I'm sure like, the civilians could never win against the US Army. They don't have to win. Vietnam is a great example. Like we were outpowered to fuck out of Vietnam, but it took forever and it just wasn't worth it.

Starting point is 01:04:36 And I guarantee you, with some crazy lunatic politician, you know, it wasn't charged. And I'm sure some of you right now think there's someone who's a president now that's a lunatic, especially those of you on the left who don't like him. If there was a crazy lunatic president,

Starting point is 01:04:51 and there was some kind of national emergency, and then they passed, you know, crazy laws, and then the government was coming into your home and trying to fuck with you. They would think twice in America, because they know that they would have, it wouldn't be worth it it wouldn't be worth the fight they would know it would never

Starting point is 01:05:07 it would never work out the casualties the first step would be to disarm the populace this is exactly what uh... you know tyrannical governments do every single fucking time Hitler did it he took away their guns slowly slowly slowly enough definitely from the jews and then you went in and do it did and had them had they been armed it would have been a much more difficult thing For him to do not saying that that'll happen. Okay. The odds of that are so small it's not even funny Definitely not saying that'll happen

Starting point is 01:05:32 But if you're one of these people that compares Trump to Hitler Constantly you really want to fucking you know be have government be the only one with guns right if you really believe that It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense So you ever get pulled over with that mug? He liked that. Oh shit. It says bitch words. My coffee and then the handle is a is a hand is a gun is after our conversation, of course. Right, right, right. So what's in your coffee? It's pretty. Actually, you know, it's funny,

Starting point is 01:05:55 bring that up. We I'm drinking the I'm drinking my normal coffee, but Katrina found a little hack. So she doesn't like coffee, right? So she doesn't. But yeah, but about a year ago, yeah, she doesn't drink coffee. And about a year, she's like, what is it with coffee? Why does everyone drink right? So she doesn't, but yeah, but about a year ago, yeah, she doesn't drink coffee. And about a year, she's like, what is it with coffee? Why does everyone drink coffee? And I'm like, oh, it'll change your life. Honey, she's like, she's like, well, I don't feel like I need it.

Starting point is 01:06:13 I said, you probably don't need it. I think you're a very productive person without it. But if you were to start it, you'd probably be twice as productive just so you know. And so she's been like taking little steps of it in the morning and she's like, I just don't like the aftertaste. And so she's been slowly like finding ways to make concoctions so she could drink because she does like the after fact. She's like, because she drinks green tea. She's a tea drinker. So she knows she's so funny coming from the guy that got his all hooked on speeds. I know right. The tire staff. Right. Right. Yeah. Exactly. hooked on speeds. I know right. I'm doing it. Exactly. So you're slowly clapping. I'm going to get it up. Yeah, that's good. So, so anyway, she's been trying

Starting point is 01:06:50 to make all these concoctions. Well, she she's like, Hey, have you done the cacao bliss in the coffee yet? Oh my God. So good. And I hadn't yet. And so she takes the she takes a normal cup of coffee, pours a cup of coffee leaves a little some room puts the scoop in and then we have one of those frothers, you know, and then she just whips it and kind of frost it. How good is it? Oh my goodness. Dude, that's what I'm sipping on that.

Starting point is 01:07:11 Warning though, because Cacao has got its own stimulant properties, you mix the two, and you are fire! Yeah, you're ready to go. So what I do, because you guys know I'm a little more sensitive to caffeine, then you guys, obviously, you guys could fucking breathe it and never have an effect. I can't believe how much you guys can drink.

Starting point is 01:07:26 It's like water, it's good. I'm jealous, by the way. I can only do it once today. I go cacao bliss, and then I do the gold juice because the gold juice has got some compounds in there that help calm you. So I do that, and oh, and then the turmeric in there. So I have to just have that effect last longer.

Starting point is 01:07:43 Together? Yes. So the cacao bliss with the gree just to want the gree. No, no, no, no,'s just have that effect last longer together. Yes So the cacao bliss with the green Just the want to do with it. Yes, really so Fucking I feel like I feel like one of them's kind of got like this like I feel like a counter Bound on citrusy orange taste and then the other was more of a chocolatey cream No, I go cacao. They're both good by themselves with coffee. So whatever you want to do Typically I just do gold with my coffee because I like that it takes the edge off

Starting point is 01:08:08 but it makes me feel, you know, I still focused, but then I've done it with cacao, gold juice, and then I did the typical butter, coconut oil coffee. You know that sounds like, which is interesting that even Peats now has done this like sort of a gold latte where they have turmeric and ginger. I know. And it's a thing. I guess have turmeric and ginger. I know.

Starting point is 01:08:25 It's a thing. I guess it's a thing. And you just made that up on your own. And if you have gut issues and coffee sometimes can be harsh because of the oils, the turmeric and the gold juice from organifier, whatever, or is anti-inflammatory. It's better in your stomach. It's big time, big time.

Starting point is 01:08:41 I mean, I will say this about organifier because we get santa. I don don't think do we ever share how many supplements people send us? No, we do get a lot. We have a closet full of we could open up a G&C. In fact, we're going to do side business where we sell. You should see sounds eyes every time we get them. I try to. I got a Heidam half the time. We got so many supplements. He's a supplement junkie, bro. I know in the audience. He's a little junkie, bro. I know him.

Starting point is 01:09:05 I think the audience sees a note. Oh, for sure. He gets a little bit of the handshake. He does. He does. I do have it. Especially the packages is all like nine colors. I catch every down then I go in the closet.

Starting point is 01:09:15 And there's like one missing. There's wrappers on the floor. So I was like, Sal is in here. Dude, I'll test everything right. Sometimes they test them all at the same time. So I don't know what's happening. But they sent us all these people send us stuff and I'm not just saying this because we're sponsored by Organified and I'm sure you guys will agree. The taste and quality of the

Starting point is 01:09:34 Organified Supplements is... Oh, it's a period. Totally. Yeah, totally superior. Totally superior. That's why I mean, and some people... Or, you know, they worry a little bit because it's a bit expensive, but we said that from the very beginning. You get what you pay for. It pays off the great, you know, they worry a little bit because it's expensive, but we said that from the very beginning. You get the best quality they've had. I one warning though about the gold juice. So yesterday I made it myself a nice gold juice in macadamia nut milk, and I took it upstairs, spilled some on the carpet.

Starting point is 01:09:59 Uh oh. And your new place? Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh no. Stained in nice, you can't believe. Oh no. Did you try it? You tried it. I have a little steam cleaner. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh, no, no, no. Did you try you try it? I have a little steam cleaner. Yeah, didn't do a thing. Tumeric, they used to use back in the day.

Starting point is 01:10:12 That goes your deposit to die clothes and shit. So good luck. Yeah. Is it true? You know, you do, you know, you do, you have your dog poop. Whoa, back up there. Tumeric was used to die close. Tumeric is was used as a die in some cultures, yes. I didn't know that. Oh wow. Because it's ability to sting things. But more, you know.

Starting point is 01:10:31 Yeah, that's one of those commercial. The rainbow flies over. This ques brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organified.com.

Starting point is 01:10:55 That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from Bren Fit is FRC, the future of fitness. That's a, that's a, that's a bold question. Very bold statement. So we had FRC here, recently teaching a certification, they had 88 trainers in our facility.

Starting point is 01:11:20 And Jessica, my girlfriend, took the course. And one of the things I love most about her is she's a legit sponge like for reals. So check this, you guys are gonna love this, right? She took El Doa when they were here. She did the check course. She went down and did check. Then she did FRC.

Starting point is 01:11:40 And by the way, when I first started dating Jessica, she was a decent trainer for her level of experience. Actually, for her level experience, she was really good. I say decent, because she didn't have like a ton of experience with good trainers. But for the level, I was gonna say tread lightly there. For the level of experience she had, she was listening.

Starting point is 01:11:58 No, no, for the level experience she had, she was really good. She just didn't, she didn't expose to a lot of, which is that it just comes in time. Yeah, right. So then when we first started dating, she would, I mean, I'd say 50% of our conversations revolved around her asking me questions about correctional exercise, fitness, muscle adaptation,

Starting point is 01:12:17 and she's such a sponge that I would tell her something. And then the next day I'd hear her talking about it and teaching it and she's saying it exactly, like she understood it, she didn't just memorize it. So she's been that way and I said tell them we first started dating. I said, you know what's funny? I said, because I'm doing mind pump, we're going to, I'm interviewing all these people and we'll have all these opportunities for you to take these courses.

Starting point is 01:12:37 I said, you're going to surpass me in a very short period of time because I know how fast you learn and she'd be like, shud up, you just being nice, you just because you love me, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, no, no, you're gonna fucking surpass me. So, oh, and on top of it, she's also been being mentored by Brink. So I know if you guys know this, she goes to Brink's office and helps them out,

Starting point is 01:12:55 you know, a couple days a week or once a week. And you guys know Brink is a legit badass. He's the fucking man, right? Yeah, yeah. So what was her thoughts? So, well, I'll tell you. So yesterday, we worked out, because I haven't worked out in a little while, and I was all hyped,

Starting point is 01:13:09 and I hadn't had caffeine in a while, so I drank some coffee, and I went in there, and I went fucking nuts, and I was pulling five plates, and feeling like an asshole. And then my SI joint was a little sore on my left side. So I told her, I said, you know, I said, if I go to aggressively, the place that I tend to hurt is on my left as I joint and I can't figure it out. But I do think it has to do with my hips, my left hip, because my left hip doesn't have the same mobility and control as my right hip, especially internally, actually rotating all the other things. That's an internally in particular, internally rotation. So she said, oh, cool, she's like,

Starting point is 01:13:45 if you don't mind, if you've got 40 minutes, let's go downstairs on the rug, and I'll take you through some stuff. This fucking girl, dude. She's taking, first I did, she did some Eldoa with me and her, how she's, what's the word when you're telling people what to do, like little cues? Yeah, her cues were incredible.

Starting point is 01:14:05 So she did that with me. Then she's taking me through FRC 90, 90 movements, stuff that brink had her do, this 45 minute treatment or the entire time I'm quiet and I'm just being completely blown away by her knowledge. And I see what she's doing as she's doing it. I can tell what she's doing. She was giving me new ranges of motion

Starting point is 01:14:25 and she was connecting me to these new ranges of motion, which I think is what she learned at FRC. And so I was asking her, how much of this was what you learned at the FRC course? And not all of it, but a nice chunk of it was from the FRC course and then the other part of it was Brink and then Aldoa. And I think it's, so do you believe it?

Starting point is 01:14:45 Brilliant, I don't think it's the future of fitness. I don't know if I go that far this is so much. I would. I would weigh in on this. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Now you guys are more versed. Yeah, well, because this has been my train of thought for over the last couple of years,

Starting point is 01:14:58 just because I've been heavy in the research of like mobility, and I knew that that was the most neglected portion of training in my programming. And so that was the most neglected portion of training, you know, in my programming. And so that was something I really vested myself into and saw what was out there and went through, you know, a lot of the protocols and different modalities that were out there. And so I knew of FRC for a long time. And then I actually did attend, you know, for the first day and got, you know, a lot of great, great information, you know, for the first day, and got, you know, a lot of great, great information, you know, and their philosophy.

Starting point is 01:15:28 And so my overall, like, opinion of it is that it's very, very much ahead of everybody. Like, as far as like having, you know, like, scientific-based training that's really cutting edge and is really kind of, you know, they've put the time in and people that actually do it will see the type of functional range conditioning. So the thought process being that like if you have a normal strength curve where at the

Starting point is 01:16:01 peak of your strength curve is somewhat in the middle. So their thought process is now to stretch point A and point B even further. So you're able to now increase that strength and elongate it through all these different, like increments and angles of range of motion. So a lot of what we do in Prime Pro is comes from, you know, some stuff that, you know, from a far-see. But, get going, okay. So, so that being all said, it's it's very revolutionary, it's very, very like well researched and the science is sound and and ahead of everybody, but I just don't it it being the new, what do you say, the future of fitness? I think that it's gonna be,

Starting point is 01:16:48 it, you know, one of the tools that is gonna set people apart, but it's not gonna take over. Of course it's not. It's not gonna take over. It's gonna benefit your training, but like, I see people, they totally are so into it that it's becoming like their way of training. Or are you getting a bus to stop? Listen, listen. This is, it goes, so into it that it's becoming like a very way of training. Are you getting a book to listen?

Starting point is 01:17:07 This is go feeds into that whole movement culture. It's always happens, man. Every time some cool things happen. Yeah, here's first of all, and I'm with Justin, I've been very familiar with FRC for quite some time, a huge fan of the work. The science is very, very much so on point, and I do believe the same thing too, that their way ahead of everybody, we utilize tons of kin stretch.

Starting point is 01:17:30 I'm cute, positive, positive, positive, positive. Nothing negative to say, but I will say that I definitely don't think it's the future of fitness, and that's because first of all, a lot of the science is based off a science that we've known for some time. I mean, I was using a PNF as a bit of 15 years, you know, I and what's the difference between FRC and PNF?

Starting point is 01:17:50 There's not a lot much, not a lot. Not a lot. Change of verbiage. Right. So I think that's what they've done a good job. I think they've they've branded it better. Yeah. And I think that obviously we've evolved more in science since then. PNF has been in athletes for quite some time. And so the science is not that revolutionary. I think the... Are there applications?

Starting point is 01:18:12 Yes, their application of it is incredible. And I think it's needed more now than it ever has with all these baby boomers and all this posture and dysfunction that we're seeing in the younger generation coming up. So when that being said, I'm 100%. I think when you talk about top three certifications you could go through FRC 100% is I would recommend

Starting point is 01:18:35 because I think it's that that appacle to all the clients that you're probably going to train. Now that being said, I also see the cult like side of it happening like always. So you've got these guys that have these big Instagram pages that are doing all these badass fucking controlled movements. And I mean, I'll be the first to admit that I see it. I'm like, damn, dude, I wish I could do that. But there's a couple things that people don't, I think really understand is, one, just like with bodybuilding, just like with sports,

Starting point is 01:19:09 there's a genetic potential for some of these people that FRC, and you become an instructor, and you learn how to do it, you just fit the mold so perfect. Your frame is great for it, you can do these fluid movements, like in just way better than the average person, naturally already.

Starting point is 01:19:25 And then they then they turn it into like that's all of their training. Their training is all this kinstretching. Now, if all you cared about was health and feeling good, I think it's in fucking, if you're gonna get dogmatic about something and you're only gonna do something, it's probably one of the better modalities.

Starting point is 01:19:42 Well, I, when I really appreciate them is that they've taken our focus back to joint function. Right. And telling you, you may not have the capacity to go forward in your training and put load onto these joints because they're not even functioning the way they should be functioning. And this is a very big problem that people just bypass. And so this whole system has done an excellent job of highlighting that important fact that, you know, this is where we need to begin and we need to spend time in this area and address all these pending issues. And what else I also appreciated was it's as far as like addressing

Starting point is 01:20:27 the human body, what we've all been taught like, you know, especially going through, you know, anatomy physiology forever and like biomechanics and going, you know, when I was in college, and he they sort of addressed this in the class that we've all learned dead anatomy. And we haven't really learned living anatomy. That's a good fucking point. And so what does that mean? Like a cadaver versus how anatomy works? Absolutely. Are just looking at it from two dimensions. Right? And like so in that being like how everything is, you know, adaptable together. So like say, you know, you have your muscle tissue, you have your bones, you have your, you know, your ligament, fascia, it's all, it's all moldable. All of that is

Starting point is 01:21:10 adaptable tissue. So you have to treat it as such as, you know, you're going through these different movements. I'll say this, if you're a trainer, I've said this before, I haven't said in a while actually, we've talked about this when we first started my pump. If you're a trainer and you want that to be your career and you want to have a lot of value to your clients, by far, the best thing you could do to provide value to your client is the following. If your clients call you to cancel your work out because they've hurt themselves or because they're in pain, that's, you're not providing a lot of value to them. Okay, that's the average trainer.

Starting point is 01:21:47 If your client calls you and says, hey, John, or Susan, I strain my back or my knee hurts, can I come see you later today so you can help me out? You have now provided a tremendous amount of fucking value and it's one of the reasons why I had clients that stayed with me for, most of them for half a decade to a decade. Basically they'd hire me and they'd never stop. This is now happening with Jessica where her clients will call her if they're hurting and trying to come in an additional

Starting point is 01:22:15 time because she's now learned this information. FRC is a certification that is well worth the investment to give you value as a personal trainer. Just for that reason alone. That's it, right? Not because you have FRC in your title, but because if someone comes to you and they hurt, you've got real tools that can help. Now, in my understanding of FRC is this,

Starting point is 01:22:35 and this is just because we wrote prime, and I understand how the human body works. I just don't know the structure, in a particular structure of FRC, but this is what I experienced when she was taking me through the hip stuff. What we're trying to do is we're trying to create new ranges of motion and then trying to connect

Starting point is 01:22:51 to those new ranges of motion. So an example that would be, I go in the splits. Which by the way, that would be the definition of PNF. That's right, that's right. So if I get into like the splits, which is a bad example, I know, mobility. Yeah, let's just say I get into the splits and I go in,

Starting point is 01:23:06 I go down as far as I can, and that's as far as I can go. What I now try to do is fire the muscles that I'm stretching and then fire the muscles that are, I'm opposing. And so all I'm trying to do is send a CNS signal to the muscles while they're in this new range of motion. And I work through newer and newer and newer range of motion. And this happened with my hip, like my hip cramped up, and she told me, that's good, let it cramp up

Starting point is 01:23:29 because it's connecting. And then, stay in that position when you're done connecting, let your body establish that new connection. So I think it's brilliant, but is anything a single thing gonna be the future? No, no, no, no. Here's the thing if this is a trainer who's asking a question that you gotta ask yourself

Starting point is 01:23:44 because this was always the challenge that I had as a professional was having all the information that I need to get this person to get their goal but then also recognizing that that may not be the pathway that they want to take or are willing to take. And so there is this challenge as a trainer, okay, I know that I want to give them all this and tell them, follow this diet, train like this, do these things, but in reality over 80% of the people fail at doing that.

Starting point is 01:24:16 So if you really care about being successful as a trainer and really providing a great service people, it's not just having the new cutting edge science or tool to apply to all of them because some people aren't even there yet Some people aren't even beyond the psychological part that's making them have this challenge of not being able to get in shape and to me There's there's more of a breakthrough there that I need to work on to evolve as a trainer than another tool That is help now. I think like you said so By bar none, this is one of the best tools that you could potentially have in your belt,

Starting point is 01:24:48 especially when you think about baby bloopers, especially if you see about all the dysfunction that we're seeing right now. But then I also don't think that having this is like the answer and making all your clients do kin stretch for all their sessions now is just gonna change their lives dramatically. No, I think what you'll see is you'll apply that to some of them.

Starting point is 01:25:07 Some of them will receive it. Some of them will do it well. It will change their life. And then you'll still have the majority of them that don't even put the work in necessary to see the change in their life. And so then you're back to square one again as a trainer is how do I get this person motivated is still heading the right direction. All right.

Starting point is 01:25:23 Next question is from Tori Tag. Just listen to episode 646 about women losing their periods and having hormonal issues after an extreme diet and or prep. I am curious how to repair this damage. I listen and read about this issue all the time, but no one ever discusses how to help heal the hormonal issues and metabolic adaptation. I'm about three years out from a really low body fat, loss of cycle, and other hormonal issues. I cannot lean down for anything, even with a moderate reverse diet. Can you discuss how to get the body back to normal? Yeah, well, step one, this is going to tough.

Starting point is 01:26:05 It's going to be hard to hear, okay? But you're going to have to get fatter. And you're going to have to allow yourself to kind of, and I don't mean go nuts with your diet or your stuff and your stuff and your normal thing. What I mean is you need to start giving your, letting your body feel like it's okay, that food is plentiful and that it's okay to get leaner.

Starting point is 01:26:24 And that might take a little while. You know, it's funny we had Jason, when we had Jason Phillips here, who loved the guy, right? Brilliant with the way he works and coaches clients and very smart dude and we talked about this. And he has a theory that I think I buy, I buy into. And his theory is that when you do these extreme,

Starting point is 01:26:43 you know extreme diet, contest prep or extreme over training, over periods of time, especially for women, obviously the body, it stops giving you a period because it feels like it's not safe to have a child, it slows down your metabolism, trying to adapt. And even after taking months off or a year off and trying to feed yourself a little bit, he thinks that

Starting point is 01:27:05 the central nervous system remembers. It remembers that event and it takes a lot longer for the CNS to say, okay, the coast is clear, which is why I feel like it's so easy to go back to your default even when you're making better decisions or training the body. Yeah, because I feel like this, because in her sentence, and I don't know who you are, Tori, and I don't know what's going on. But I can see, I'm just based off the last two sentences, I cannot lean down for anything. Those are wrong goals.

Starting point is 01:27:39 Right. I feel like when you're trying to reverse diet and you're trying to get back to being healthy, you have to switch your mindset that it's not about you getting lean, it's not about you looking assertion. I feel like she's been trying to still get lean. So she's not even allowing her body to have the time to heal itself, quote unquote, heal itself.

Starting point is 01:27:59 And by the way, when your body does this, when a metabolism slows down and you stop having a period, actually your body's acting the way it's supposed to. So it's not, you know, we use damage, but really it's not damage. It's actually doing what it's supposed to do. So when I talk to somebody like this, and of course, again, I don't know this person, they're exactly what's going on with them, but we're being completely generic here.

Starting point is 01:28:18 The average client that I'm dealing with that has metabolic damage, the typical prescription is this, you know, two to three times of strength training. So like a MAP Santa Ball type of application. That would be the perfect routine. Right. MAP Santa Ball could be perfect. Right. So that's the application as far as weight training. And I don't want you doing anymore weight training than that. So when you have the desire to want to lift more, do you want to know we don't? We just actually this is a person who I would not recommend

Starting point is 01:28:40 right our new program. Right. Oh, absolutely. And you know, it's funny for you. This is the person that probably wants to buy it. Yeah. They see, and they see, oh fuck yeah. This burns the most amount of body fat in the shortest period of time, which it does. But if you're in the state, if your body's in the state, and you do hit, your fuck, you're not doing a good job.

Starting point is 01:28:58 So you gotta go to anapult. Let me go back to what I do with this person. So I first get a program like that in line for them that this is what we're gonna be doing for resistance training. Then I want you to track for an extended period of time. Typically I want somebody to be tracking for a few weeks so I can get a really good idea of where their their caloric maintenance is at. And then I also want to see where they're kind of their their neat maintenance is at. So where how many steps are you taking per day and where of your

Starting point is 01:29:23 calories are at and where where's your baseline? What doesn't gain you weight, what doesn't lose you weight, what's kind of keeping you there while you're only doing these two to three days of lifting. Now from there, I try and gradually increase your need through walking. So need is non-exercise activity, right? So not exercise, walking, just not a hardcore hike,

Starting point is 01:29:43 a walk, like literally just moving around, I try and gradually increase that on your non-lifting days while I also gradually increase your calories. And the goal is how much can I continually start to increase those calories without you having to increase in any intensity and without you putting on a ton of weight. So that's our goal is, we're probably gonna put some weight on. I'm not worried about that, right? We're not gonna get super shredded right now.

Starting point is 01:30:11 Not worried about that, that's not our goal. Our goal is to start to inch this caloric intake up week over week if we can and our way that we counter it is just through movement. Not more exercise, not intensity increasing, not more volume increasing, just moving activity wise while I'm also stressed. So that's how I keep you from putting on a bunch of weight. Obviously, if I went week over week and increased your

Starting point is 01:30:33 calories 100 to 300 calories every week, you would probably put on a ton of body fat after a few weeks. But if I can counter that extra 100 calories with a few hundred more steps or a thousand steps every single day that you're increasing those calories. Hopefully I can mitigate the damage of putting on any more weight, but that's not the goal, the goal is not to lean down. And then that's kind of, to each person's going to be uniquely different, how long I have to inst that up there for them, how soon their body will respond.

Starting point is 01:31:00 But that's how I try and get into my clients heads that are going through this process as these are our goals. Well, you just heard right now from Adam, and of course it's different from person to person, but what you just heard from him is verbatim, the general thing you should do. I mean, that's the best advice you could possibly get. The trouble is gonna be doing it,

Starting point is 01:31:18 because I know what happens, because I can already tell by the way you ask your question, nobody wants the weight another year before they can start to get lean, especially when you identify strongly with being lean or you feel fat or those types of things. Here's a couple of things you can do to help that process. So do what Adam told you,

Starting point is 01:31:36 because what I'm about to tell you won't do shit for you unless you do that stuff also. The other stuff you can do is you can start to throw in some adaptogenic type herbs and foods to help benefit the process. Like them grow sardines that you got over on the tip. So when I was in. Are those still okay?

Starting point is 01:31:56 Yeah, they can. Okay, you don't have to refrigerate them. No, no, no. So I was gonna say is increase your fat intake, both your quote unquote, healthy fat like fish, and your quote unquote unhealthy fat like saturated fat, which those are all healthy, by the way, your natural fat intake. So I would say increase your fat intake, saturated fat, and fish fats

Starting point is 01:32:19 both will should positively affect your heart. So would you recommend like a ketogenic type of diet? I would not recommend a keto diet unless you have food intolerances with grains and stuff because you're cutting too low now. I think you should go low carb. More like a paleo-esque. Yeah, like more of a paleo diet. Actually on Thrive Market, you can, there's a lot of dropouts.

Starting point is 01:32:44 I just, we just found out that like last week that you can actually drop down options. There's a drop down option. You can click on paleo and then look at all the food options for paleo. So I would say bump your fat and take. And then here's the other thing, which you can also do at Thrive Market.

Starting point is 01:32:57 Now that we're talking about it, Ashwaganda, great herb that's adapted genic that helps balance the body out. And here's the other one, evening primrose oil, which has been shown to be beneficial for women. What is that? I'm not sure.

Starting point is 01:33:13 And evening primrose oil. So it's just a fat. Where do you get that? You can thrive market. You can thrive anywhere. Jesus Christ, they have everything. Thrive market's got it. So Ashwaganda evening primrose oil,

Starting point is 01:33:20 bump your fats, like a paleo type dye, and do everything Adam said. And again, we don't know your individual case. So, you know, bear with me. Right, yeah, keep in mind that it is generic advice. But generally, that's the best advice. Right. Next question is from Kevin B. Sherman.

Starting point is 01:33:37 What are a good substitute exercise for deadlifts and barbell squats? I wanted to put this in here because we haven't answered a question like this in a while. I would, yeah. We used to put this in here because we haven't answered a question like this in a while. I would, yeah. We used to get this a lot when we first released maps, obviously there's deadlifts and squats in there because we're all, we all think there's staple movements that everybody should be doing.

Starting point is 01:33:56 So we get a lot of people pushing back and being like, well, what if I can't do deadlifts and squats? What should I do instead? So it's been a long time since we've addressed this. I think we've got quite a bit more people listening to mind pump now that we should address this issue. And I think starting it off with, I don't think that anybody should substitute

Starting point is 01:34:17 for dead lives and barbell squats for the most part. There's always exceptions to the rule, but the exception is not what most people think it is. Most people are thinking like, oh yeah, well, on always exceptions to the rule, but the exception is not what most people think it is. Most people are thinking like, oh, yeah, well, on the exception of the rule, I have low back issues, or I have this going on, or I did this surgery, or I had this. So I had a herniated disc. I don't want to do that. So, you know, you get a, and it sucks because I know a lot of that is perpetuated from our fucking medical system, dude, is from somebody going and getting a surgery or somebody going in with chronic pain

Starting point is 01:34:48 and the doctor telling you not to do these types of... Just put safety tape. Yeah, there you go. No more doing basic human movement. I fucking hate that. That's why I wanted to come out. The goal should be to be able to do those movements. Right.

Starting point is 01:35:01 And that's how I feel about these two exercises is, regardless of your goals, weight loss, muscle gain, athletic performance, doesn't matter what it is. If you cannot do a barbell squat or deadlift, then I wouldn't even be following one of our programs to a tee. I would be using tools from it, for example, like Prime Pro. I would be using it to and Prime to get to the point where I can perform a squat and deadlift. In fact, my regimen would be built around that,

Starting point is 01:35:32 would be, okay, my goal is, instead, my long-term goal is I wanna lose 20 pounds of fat. What's the limiting factors, right? Is it the ankle mobility? Is it, you know, your hips, internal external rotation, you know, where, where do the scrapensies lie? And like, what can we address to get you and to feel comfortable with these gross motor movements?

Starting point is 01:35:53 Right, the point is if you have chronic pain or you've got this discus, you have all these things that are going on, going on, the squat and the dead lift, those are functional movements that the body should be capable of doing. So not doing them is not the best right now. Me saying that, I'm also not telling you,

Starting point is 01:36:09 oh well Adam said that, and even though I got a bulge disc, I'm gonna go fucking squat with 200 pounds anyways. I'm not recommending that either. No, the goal is to be able to do them, cause it's break them down for a second. Forget that you're doing a barbell, deadlift and barbell squat, okay?

Starting point is 01:36:23 What you're really doing is you're working on your ability to lift something off the floor or hip hinge or and or your ability to squat down in a squat position. Both of which are fundamental human movements, both of which if you were not able to do either one of those, your quality of life would be considerably reduced just because daily life requires those kinds of things. So that's why they're so important, and that's why your goal is if you can't do them to correct imbalances and get yourself to a point to where you can do them. Now that being said, that all being said, the question is what are good substitutes? Fine.

Starting point is 01:37:01 Okay, you can't really substitute, but if you're not gonna do those movements, what I typically will do with someone, if I have a client who can't deadlift because a pain or whatever, then I will have them do a single, I'll try and do a single leg toe touch, limited range of motion, depending on their back pain or whatever,

Starting point is 01:37:18 and sometimes I'll give them a stick for balance. So single leg toe touch, you could do hip bridging on the floor, which helps a little bit with that. And if someone can't do a barbell squat, then split stance squatting movements are typically a second best option. A Bulgarian split stance squat, which is more difficult, an easier version would be a lunge, and you can limit range emotion there, and you can hold onto something for balance. But you can do those kinds of movements and not necessarily make up for the missed ones. I hate even giving that advice,

Starting point is 01:37:50 because like you said, it's such a fun, both of them are so fun, listen, if you take a shit or you pick things up off the ground, you should be deadlifting a squatting. Right, sometimes I do both at the same time. So if you're capable of taking a shit, if you are capable of picking something up off the ground, then learning to properly squat and deadlift

Starting point is 01:38:09 is arguably one of the best things that you can possibly do. Now, in reality, a lot of people struggle with that. And the reason why I speak so passionately about this is because I wish somebody would have yelled this at me. I wish somebody would have been in my face when I was 25 years old, doing leg press and leg extensions because my low back always hurt every time I did squats. I wished a motherfucker got on a radio show and said, don't do that to yourself. You're only hurting yourself long term. Fuck all this other

Starting point is 01:38:35 bullshit you're doing inside the gym. Get to the bottom of why you cannot deadl and this is exactly why we built prime and Prime Pro was because we know this, we know this exists, we know that it's more predominant than most people want to talk about and say, there's a ton of people that are avoiding these two movements. And there's, there's gyms that don't even allow them. Right. That's crazy to me. And I mean, if you think about it, you know, you can, if you need to regress and do it unloaded,

Starting point is 01:39:06 like you just, you still need to like go through the mechanics of what both of these movements provide. So the awesome part about it is normally the people that avoid it, the two main reasons is because they have, they have goals that are aesthetic based so that I want to look a certain way. They don't care, they're just like, I just want to work my life.

Starting point is 01:39:21 Right, and they're, and then they're afraid of the aches or the pains. The The reality is if they would just focus on Figuring out why they have this function why they can't squat or why it hurts to squat or deadlift The the effort put towards Learning to squat and fixing the issues They're gonna get the benefits that they're looking for aesthetically They're gonna look so much bigger because squatty and deadlifting are such big banks for your buck that thinking that you're going to go do leg press or split lunges or

Starting point is 01:39:50 doing all these other exercises that we're talking about as an ex you know, replacement to that. None of them are nothing is going to train your senior. It's just that they're looking at the long term now instead of having these like sort of short term things that are driving them. This is a process. Right. It's daunting for a lot of people to be like, well, I have to address pain.

Starting point is 01:40:10 Can I just jump on and do some leg extension in the meantime so I can get a nice pump out of my legs? Listen, I'm going to have to regress everything where I'm coming from right now. Here I am about to get, I'm just about to start my rehab process really soon here, and I'll be body weight squatting. And I'll probably be mechanically broken down a little bit because I've spent the last six to eight weeks with a fucking six inch heel on one side.

Starting point is 01:40:33 Right. Not squatting, not moving probably. Six. My body has now, has been overcompensating on one side. I, you better believe I'm gonna go into a squat knowing that I'm gonna be mechanically broken up. But I'm probably gonna go back to some knowing that I'm gonna be mechanically broken a bit I'm probably gonna go back to some default patterns that are not healthy or good for my body and now it'll be work And it'll be boring and it'll be tedious

Starting point is 01:40:51 But the thing is once you address it and you start working towards it all these other benefits that most these people are chasing Will come along with that and I feel so passionate about it because I was also like this I was also somebody who avoided those movements and I'm also somebody who just figured he had low chronic back pain and it was just genetically my, and we are, if you look at my family, there's extreme lordosis in almost all of my uncles, aunts, grandma, grandpa, my mom, like it's in our family.

Starting point is 01:41:20 We have this excessive curve in comparison to everybody else. Like naturally I have that. So that doesn't mean I'm just fucked, but it does mean that I have a predisposition to probably head in that direction to where I'm gonna have low back issues. And if I follow down the same path as my uncle, my mother, my grandmother,

Starting point is 01:41:41 I'm gonna end up having back surgery if I don't address it. So this is something that I have to put that extra work in to avoid that and it reminds me every time I don't. Next question is from Jervin Dyle. Where's the weirdest place you've gotten head? So, I was so hesitant on that question. Where's word in place you've given it? Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Do you have this reminds me of? Oh, good.

Starting point is 01:42:07 So you guys are a watch the, do you remember that game show, the newlyweds game? Yeah. Yeah, so you're good. So they don't have anymore to it. They do. Okay, so back in the day, it was really popular and it had these newlyweds

Starting point is 01:42:18 and they would ask them questions about each other and some of them were embarrassing. Those classes. And there's just one classic, classic moment and it happened in like 1960 something. So it was like, during that period of time when everything was kind of like taboo on TV, like you barely showed a husband

Starting point is 01:42:34 and a wife sleeping in the same room. Oh wait, was this the one where it asked? Like what's the most uncomfortable place you've had sex? No, no, no, he said, where's the, I'll tell you right now. He asked, let me finish. No, that's not what she said. That's not what the question was. I know you're going. In the butt. Yeah. That's what she, no, he said, where's the, I'll tell you right now. He asked, let me finish. No, that's not what she said. That's not what the question was.

Starting point is 01:42:45 I know you're going in the butt. Yeah. Yeah. So the question was, where's the weirdest place you've made whoopee? Oh, yeah. Which means like, where's the weirdest place you've had sex? Right, right.

Starting point is 01:42:54 And the girl goes in the butt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's it. This is the, yeah. That's the youth belt that I've heard that one. Yeah. Oh my god, I died. So I didn't hear that one.

Starting point is 01:43:02 Oh man, for me, I mean, okay, movie theater, movie theater, probably, I know that's like cliche, but in real life. I cut the hole in the popcorn box. In the, no, yeah. She's like, she's like, you know, she's like, 1950 style. Yeah, she looks like she really wants that popcorn. Yeah, she's hungry. Yeah, she's a hungry girl.

Starting point is 01:43:22 Why are you biting the extra, the extra large cat of popcorn? So, these more butter. Yeah, he's a hungry girl. Why are you biting the extra large tab of popcorn? So, these more butter. Yeah. No, it was a movie theater and it's, you know, it sounds cliche, you see it in the movies, but here's the reality of doing shit in a movie theater. Where people write next to you. There's a lot of people in there.

Starting point is 01:43:36 Yeah, I was gonna say, are you guys have your own, like, lained to yourself? No, in the back, in the very back, there were people in the theater, but it was in the very back and... I feel like you have, but it was in the very back. And I feel like you have something better than that. I don't know. I don't know what's weird. I mean, I've got something that comes in mind that I know was definitely, because I can check off the movie theater one also, which, that was, like, we sat in the back and it was all right. That was, like, to me, it was an ass care. You know, that's like, that'll get you put you put like if you get caught doing that you'd be on a list right now

Starting point is 01:44:07 The the weirdest big deal. Yeah people still do that the weirdest I had I was it was a new year's party at my house I used to throw these epic new years parties at my house and The night was winding down. It was like midnight or a one or so and The house is I mean, I've got tons of people in my small house. I only had a three bedroom, two bath condo, and the place was loaded with people. So I've got people sleeping two on a couch and floor and all over all the rooms and multiple people in my bed. And so it's just like a shit show everywhere. And my best friend and I are sleeping in my bed and incomes. Oh in my bed. And incomes,

Starting point is 01:44:46 oh my bad. Incomes, well we're not even sleeping, we're just kind of laying there, right? But we're on my bed and incomes a couple of girls. And one of the girls, she comes up the bottom of the sheets and literally, and I had like basketball shorts on and she draws my shorts down and then she just goes to town.

Starting point is 01:45:03 And I'm like sitting up talking to my buddy at the same time. So we're, this is all going on. Like him and I were mid conversation don't like skip a beat. Right. And we're just we're having conversation and she kind of comes up to she's and I'm like, what I'm going to be cool about it. Like she's not going to really do that. Like she's not, she's point. She's trying to think she would. I think she's what I think she's doing. She's doing. We're going to stop her. Right. I think she thinks I'm going to get nervous and freak out and pull my shorts back up. And oh, go like that, but I'm being cool and I'm talking to my boy and I'm talking to her and I'm like Yeah, and then oh she's like she's doing this right? We're gonna do this right now and then sure shit

Starting point is 01:45:34 Right in front of my my boys. Let's you go the whole distance. Yeah, yeah, the whole while you're with you Wow, yeah, yeah, that was what I did I did you're talking to your buddies. Yeah, what did you say to your buddy? Well, I didn't say much. Did you look at him in the eyes and your in? No. Tells wrong with you. That's what I'm thinking. Like if I was sitting next to Justin, I'd be like,

Starting point is 01:45:53 I can't finish. I don't know if it was his face. He's all said, yeah, man, that's a great story. Hey, listen, tomorrow when we go back to work, we need to get 50 leads, we need to get all these clothes. Yeah. You have to be like, how do you do these clothes. I don't know it was more weird. I start twitching. I went through with it and I didn't stop her or it's more weird than my buddy stayed there. Because I feel like if it was the other way around.

Starting point is 01:46:16 Of course it was my arm. We're sitting on top of it. We're not on. We have a sheet kind of over us and we're on the bed and we're kind of sitting on. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Went in there and so. Oh 100% he was fully aware. We're sitting on top of it. We're not on. We have a sheet kind of over us and we're on the bed and we're kind of sitting on my guy. And she yeah, went in there and so 100% he was fully aware it was going on. I think if the shoe was on the other foot in this case where the mouth was on the other dick here, I would have. Yeah, that's correct.

Starting point is 01:46:35 I would have I would have looked at my buddy and exited the room and been like, I see you're busy. But I think he was so surprised that it was going down that he wanted to watch and see if this was like really going to happen it was going down, but he wanted to watch and see if this was like, really going to happen. Right, so he's a champion. Yeah, I would say that that was probably the first one you said when you said,

Starting point is 01:46:51 when you said, we, I think that, you went, because mine sounds a lot like a porn. You know, this went down, but it was like, do tell. No, but my roommate didn't know that it was going on. So it was more like, we had a dorm room that room that I mean no girls were allowed in the dorms And so I had oh not your role. That's the role of school. No, it's a rule of school Like a club. Yeah, no That

Starting point is 01:47:18 Like 20 years old. Yeah, no, so I I went out with this girl and then I snuck her in, passed the RA and then we got into the room and started messing around and stuff. And then I heard my roommate come back and it's not like he would have been a dick or anything and told on me or anything to the RA. But I was just like, oh no, it was like hide because I didn't want wanna cause any attention.

Starting point is 01:47:46 And so she's hiding underneath this desk. And I started talking to my roommate, this and that. And so she just pulled my pants down on talking to my buddy. And then she started messing. And she thought it was so funny. Look at up at me and stuff. And I was like, I was kinda freaking out.

Starting point is 01:48:02 And like frozen, you know. And my roommate was asking me all these questions and then he finally left. And yeah, we finished up. But yeah, it was like, it was so awkward. No, I didn't know. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't about to finish. I don't know how you finished. Yeah, public sex is weird. No, it's maybe because I had practice. I had other situations that happened to me before. I had another one where we were on a party bus where we had a bunch of call girls with us. And I had two of them on the back seat with me

Starting point is 01:48:36 and they just thought they would just go to town on me right there in front of everybody. And it's just weird, you know, it's, and I think when you're a young man, you seem like glossed over that. No, well, it's just weird, you know, it's, it's, and I think when you're a young, when you're a young man, you're gonna gloss over that. No, well, it's just weird. Yeah. Well, this is weird, weird stuff. Well, it's okay.

Starting point is 01:48:51 So I, and I tell young men that like, think about these types of stories, right, that have never had this happen. I tell them. I think they're a lot cooler in your head. Absolutely. And that's where I'm heading with this is that, uh, when you talk about three sums, publics, uh, sex, like that crazy things, it sounds, when you talk about three sums, publics, sects like that, crazy things, it sounds, when you're a young teenage boy,

Starting point is 01:49:08 it sounds so fucking cool. And I think you're put on the spot. Right, well, what it is, is it's just a lot of time, like when you go to the three-something or you talk about what we're talking about right now, like it's more awkward and uncomfortable than it really was like, you know, best orgasm on my life, right?

Starting point is 01:49:23 And it's more of a cool story. It's more of a story and memory- Right, anything else, you know. best orgasm on my life, right? And it's more of a cool story. It's more of a story and memory. Right. And so once you've done that enough times and you've kind of got through, you realize like, this is kind of stupid because there's no real connection here between these girls.

Starting point is 01:49:35 I don't really, it's not even a good orgasm. It's halfway weird and awkward. Like, this isn't as cool as everybody makes it out to be. Yeah, so I've seen some crazy stuff. Like I was at a... Oh, I like how you do that. Yeah, it was a... So I'm asking for a friend of mine.

Starting point is 01:49:51 Random mind did this. It was crazy, guys. So no, I was at a... God, who was performing? It was a... It wasn't a rave, but it was that kind of music. And I went with, at the time, I was married, so I went with my wife, and we were in there,

Starting point is 01:50:06 and she didn't wanna be there. And I was like, this is great, and so we're having to, you know, dancing, whatever, having a good time, and it's super packed. And then there were like bleachers on the sides, cause it was, I forgot where it was at, but you could actually go up and sit in the bleachers. And I look, and there's a lot of kids there.

Starting point is 01:50:21 I'm obviously way too old to be at one of these things. And there are these fucking kids, they're probably 18, 19 years old, I don't know. And they're just hanging around talking to each other and loud, music's loud. And there was a girl sitting on her boyfriend and her skirt is hyped up. And she's clearly pretending like she's not having sex, but she is.

Starting point is 01:50:39 I think they were really drunk or on something. And so I walk by them, I look and I'm like, I told my wife, I'm like, are they? And she's like, oh my God, she's having sex with them but they're trying to act like they're not. That was one of the weirdest things. And I also saw on an airplane, here's another one. I was on a plane and it was a long flight

Starting point is 01:50:56 and there was a guy and a girl and the, like kind of a cross-roomed dog, nearly so I can kind of see him. And he had a blanket over his lap and she had her hands over his lap and she had her hands under the blanket and then very so slowly you would see the blanket rise. Go down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Starting point is 01:51:20 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, flight's gonna land in four hours. You don't have that much time. Oh my God. I walked, I remember walking like it was at night time and I was walking up through this trail to get to one of my friends' house and it was like, it went through this like, kind of Christian campground and there was like, the spot that kind of looked over everything and so I was like walking on my way up through there

Starting point is 01:51:39 and I heard like bear noises and I was like, what the fuck? It was like, and I was like, what the fuck? He was like, and I was like, what is this? Like this is crazy. And I slowly kind of came forward. And then I heard like, you know, the girls noise that they started to kind of,

Starting point is 01:51:55 and I was like, oh, oh, like the guy was like, audibly making so much more noise. And I could, I could just see this, this like pile, just like moving and contracting.

Starting point is 01:52:07 Isn't there like unsaid manco that your nasos be louder than your partner? Isn't that what, isn't there? That's what I thought. I like, I'm like, I'm pro noise. I'm pro talking, pro noise, I'm pro all that. But I like to communicate, but I don't, I feel weird with this.

Starting point is 01:52:23 I like her to be louder. Like I don't want to be, I don't want like heard weird. I like her to be louder like I don't want I don't want to be I don't want to I don't want to be talking more and louder than you and I know I think most girls don't want that either I think that's kind of weird when I think it's weird Yeah, you like that. Oh my god. Yeah, that's uncomfortable stop it. I almost feel like I hate I don't like it when it's too like it's fake. This is like, you know what? This is a great, this is typical form. Yeah, typical form, I'm sure someone will start a good pull on here. How auditory do you like your partner to be?

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