Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 720: Dr. Molly Maloof- High Performance MD to Silicon Valley Executives

Episode Date: March 5, 2018

Would you pay $40K/year to optimize your health? If you are a wealthy Silicon Valley executive or investor who can afford concierge medical services, you would. One MD you would turn to is Dr. Molly Maloof, who uses the latest tests, wearables, etc to create a customized diet, lifestyle and supplementation plan for her patients designed to optimize their health and performance. Sal and Justin met Dr. Molly in San Francisco at a biohacker conference and her blunt approach immediately piqued their interest. In the episode, Sal, Adam & Justin have an engaging conversation with Dr. Molly about her practice and philosophy and the future of healthcare and longevity. It’s dead food. The guys recall their first meeting with Dr. Molly and their instant connection to her. (3:41) The introduction to Dr. Molly Maloof. Her background and what she does. (10:56) What is the right diet that works for us? What is currently on her radar as the next best biohacking device? (14:20) It needs to be a prescription. She explains why the elimination diet should be a meal service. (18:30) A deep desire to know what I was doing in this world. How she found her calling at a young age and talks about growing up a perfectionist. (25:52) I like to get to know people first. The guys grill her on her dating life and she talks about the difficulty of finding the right guy. (29:10) The Peter Pan Syndrome Help to understand what is going on in people’s bodies; people are eating their feelings. Looking at a person’s lifestyle from all directions. (36:15) We need health to meet our purpose in life. Her studies of Eastern Medicine and how she relates it into her practices. (40:40) How can I optimize my health besides my demands? She discusses infertility in men and women and the impact on their overall health. (45:50) A lot of people want the shortcuts. Deep discussion into psychedelics and the overuse of them. (54:00) Everyone needs to start talking more. How there is a personalized approach to everything and the need to find the right thing for you. (59:30) Emotions are energy in motion. The connections you create in yourself and the importance of having balance in your life. (1:05:10) A reflection of our culture. What she is currently excited about for the future. (1:12:21) Stress is designed to get us to move. How our environment and what we eat affects our blood glucose. (1:17:40) Mind Pump resident doctor. Ask Dr. Molly. Write in your questions now! (1:22:44) Links/Products Mentioned: Peter Thiel – Founders Fund Silicon Valley - Official Website for the HBO Series Dietary Advice Based on the Bacteria in Your Gut – WSJ Textbook of Functional Medicine 2010 - by Peter Bennett (Author), Jeffrey S. Bland (Author), Leo Galland (Author), Robert J. Hedaya (Author), Mark Houston (Author), Mark Hyman (Author), Jay Lombard (Author), Robert Rountree (Author), Alex Vasquez (Author) Sidney MacDonald Baker (Author) Wired to Eat: Turn Off Cravings, Rewire Your Appetite for Weight Loss, and Determine the Foods That Work for You – Book By Robb Wolf Green Chef Genome BC GeneSolve Ovulation Tracking Bracelet | Ava Biomat USA Recovery From Injury in Sport MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy Is There a Link Between Intelligence and Mental Illness? Sano Black Mirror | Netflix Official Site Featured Guest/People Mentioned: Molly Maloof MD (@mollymaloofmd) Twitter Molly Maloof Dr. Molly Maloof (@drmolly.co)  Instagram Aubrey de Grey (@aubreydegrey)  Twitter Chris Kresser (@chriskresser)  Twitter Kelly Brogan (@kellybroganmd)  Twitter Dr. Dale Bredesen Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. I'm super excited to introduce this lady to everybody. I think she is a super... God, I can't swear. It's so hard for me. We got kids in here. I think I'll be careful with this.

We've got the daughters inside here, and I was gonna say she's a bad mofo, and I'm excited to bring her on board with my pup. I look forward to some of the things that we're gonna do in the future. I believe going forward, we discussed, I don't know if we discussed it in this upcoming episode. We did.

We hope to have her on again. So I saw the first time I met Dr. Molly I was at this event where we had there were these like biohackers and Nutrition experts that were speaking and there was a guy that was a representative from Soylent. Oh, yeah, soylent is that that powder that is a meal replacement powder But they kind of advertise it to Silicon Valley people like you never have to get out of your desk You just eat drink this you never have to get out of your desk, you just eat, drink this and never have to eat. What is she the only other one besides you that was kind of given this guy's life? Well, she was on the panel with him, so he goes first, then it gets to her,

and she looks at him and she basically says your product's garbage, like, on the panel with him in front of the whole crowd. And everybody's like, oh, my, I was so uncomfortable, but she kept going. And I was like, I need to get her on the show. That's our type of people, right? You're in a panel with two other people, like I'm sure they're thinking you're going to agree with him, but her integrity is way too solid

for her to even do that, that she's gonna speak out and talk to her. I loved it. She's super intelligent, very charismatic. She's known as the biohacking doctor. She combines, I mean, she's an actual MD, but she does talk a lot about some of the practices from other forms of medicine like Eastern medicine or other types, basically other beliefs.

She's very holistic in her approach, but she's also very scientific, and she's also very entertaining. So one of our, one of my favorite guests, I think, I can't wait to have her back on. Yeah, no, I think, I think eventually, and we'll see what kind of feedback that we get from our audience. Maybe down the road, we'll end up doing something where we have like a asked Dr. Molly, and she becomes kind of a regular on the show

if everybody receives her really well. We do, I think we appreciate her. She's right up the road from us. She's up in San Francisco, so it's not much to ask for her to come down here. So I hope you guys enjoy her as much as we enjoy her.. It's awesome. Also this month you can get access to our forum which is probably by far I would say Adam I don't know if you're with me the most valuable thing that we offer. Yeah because I don't think a lot of people realize how active the

three of us are on there. I mean every day one of us is on there answering questions and besides us I mean we've now filled it with all these other PhDs and nurses and trainers and doctors. I mean, there's just a lot of brilliant minds inside there. Some of our, you know, Dr. Michael Ruscio's in there, Robert Overs is in there, Ben Polix in there, you've got Dr. Jordan Shalows in there. So aside from just us boys in their answering questions, there's a lot of brilliant minds in there and plenty of people that I'm missing right now.

It's a great community and normally you have to pay to get in there but we're going to give it to you for free this month if you enroll in any of our maps bundles including our Super Bundle which is the Cadillac right that's all of our maps programs really it's most of them and it's a years worth of exercise programming so for more information on that just go to mind pump media dot com and without further ado, here we are talking to Dr. Molly Maloof. Now you can find her on Instagram at Dr.Molly, that's drmol.co. So at Dr.Molly.co, that's Instagram and then on Twitter, she's at Molly Maloof MD. So here we are talking to Dr. Molly.

You want to bring them like this? You want to hold it by the arm and bring it really close to your face. Like this. Oh, you got a good radio voice. She's radio. Thank you. I didn't always have such a good voice.

I had to get a speech coach. Did you really? Really? What was your voice like before? Do it. I would. No, I can't. Basically, I had emerged my vocal cords.

And so I had like, what cords. And so, I had- Oh my God, what were you doing? Just overuse. Like I was literally just talking too much and talking inappropriately, like without breathing appropriately. Oh. So.

So you had that kind of like demmy more? Yeah. Yeah, I was basically horse all the time. Oh. Some people like that. When I get sick a little bit, I'm like, I think I sound better. Mm.

I was having a trouble, I was speaking, I was doing a lot of public speaking that ear, and it was like not going well, so I had to fix it. So I, when I met you, it was at, what was it that we went to? It was just this biohacking thought. Oh, it was the hustle. The hustle, that's right.

So we show up, Taylor brings us and he's like, oh, I want you guys to come, there's gonna be some people talking about health. Right. And stuff and we're like, I was like, come on, come on, it'll be good, it'll be whatever. So we go to this thing and there's a crowd of people.

It's mostly these like tech kids that are kind of there. So I'm like, okay, whatever, let's see what's going on. And there were three people on, I think it was three of you, right? On the panel. There was you, there was- Jeffrey Wu from Human. From Human.

And then there was some dude from- Soilin. Soilin. Yeah, one of the founders of Soilin, who I've left. Soilin. Yeah. And so he's going first, the guy from Soilin, and he's talking about- Teaching his product.

Yeah, how great his product is, and it's basically processed to ship powder replacement, meal replacements, which has been around forever. And he's having how awesome it is and it frees up your time and it's so good for you. And I'm sitting there biting my lip and I'm like, when it's time to ask questions, I'm gonna let him have it. So I'm getting ready, right? But before they let us ask questions, they're going down the panel and then, and then Molly goes up and she rips them. Yeah, she's on the same panel with them. We almost started applauding.

She right away. She ripped them, she's like actually, oh shit. She's like actually, that's not real food. And I don't really think that's it. I think I called it dead food. Yeah, it's dead food. And then he tried to come back and he's like,

it's food and then you're like, no, it's not. And then, it was, you find this. It was hilarious. And then I raised my hand and I you're like, no, it's not. And then it was, you find this. It was hilarious. And then I raised my hand and I kind of dug into him a little bit too. And I'm like, I want to talk to her. Like, I want her on my show because you were so blunt.

Yeah. And so like, I love whatever comment you said about Aubrey DeGrey too. Oh, I was so mean. I was so glad. It was so great. Yeah, I just, I feel like I see these people in the media and they're like, they claim to be experts

in what they're doing. And like, at the end of the day, you look at the way that they live their lives and you're like, are you actually living in a way that promotes what you want to achieve? And like, I'll be your gray. I think I made, I think maybe I shouldn't have made this comment and I made a comment about how I heard his wife was a smoker

and I'm like, if you really want to live a long time, you wouldn't be living with a smoker. Yeah. But you also say he looks like he's 100% That's what you want to represent. He does look 150. Yeah, exactly. He's the CEO of Swine and Ride.

How old is he? No, no, no, no. I already raised about the Sense Foundation. How old is he? He's like a longevity expert, right? How old is his man? Oh, it's 50 something. Oh, no, wait something. Oh, no.

I don't know. He's like 20, 30 years older than you. He looks like literally looks 30 years older than you. Yeah, he looks like the wizard from what you'm a caller. That's what we got to look at. Loan rings. We got to look them up. Okay, but you know what's really funny guys?

I went to the A4M conference two years ago and I spoke there. And I was really surprised at like how old people looked. And I think that there is something to be said about why people pursue different goals in their lives. And maybe it's because they're predisposed to premature aging. And that's why they're going for it. And that's why they're going for it. There he is.

He's 54 years old, told you. That's ridiculous. He looks like he's 74. He does that. He looks like he's 74. Doesn't he look 74? He does. You know what it is?

He's the between ZZ top and a wizard. So how did he get famous? I mean, where did he be? He's just a researcher about the fundamental molecular mechanisms of aging and believes that we can reverse it and that it's a disease that you can treat. And I'm just not a believer that aging is a disease. I think aging is a part of life.

And the way that we're designed as biological beings in the world, we're not unfortunately, we're not like the jellyfish that get to age a reverse. We're humans, and so we're probably going to get old in age. And if there's a lot of people in Silicon Valley who just believe that it should be stopped. And it really started with Peter Teal. Like he, I think he really promote it.

And I think he actually funded part of, I could be wrong on this, but he might have funded Aubrey at one point. But there's like sort of like a whole cadre of people who just really wanna live forever. And. Is it cause they're afraid of dying, I think, more than anything? I, I don't know because they're afraid of dying, I think more than anything.

I, I don't know if it's afraid of dying as much as I think a lot of people are afraid of being forgotten. Oh. And I think a lot of what you see with the whole aging community and aging community of Silicon Valley is they all want this modern day version of mummification. So they're either, they either want to be uploaded into a computer, which would be like preserving them for, for, for, till antiquity, or, or they want to, or they want to be preserved in terms of like, I have friends who are literally of tattoos on their body that are instructions of what to do to their body if they die.

And it's about cryopreservation. So like they're, so they're literally like, they have an insurance policy that will basically pay for cryopreservation for later in life. If they die. That sounds like such an ego thing, right? I think it's mummification and I think that like, if we were to do that with a bunch of people in like a hundred years, it'd be super interesting

to study those bodies, but we're not bringing them back. No, I have to ask, how accurate, have you ever seen that show Silicon Valley? Oh my God, it they were so accurate. Blood boys and all that kind of stuff. Okay, okay, okay. So that story, I think was, okay, so I'm friends with some of the doctors that some of these well-known billionaires in Silicon Valley work, they work together.

And they're, it's very, it's very clear in a lot of public media disclosures that Peter Teal is invested in life-expanding technologies. And he's got a fund, Teal Capital does invest in biotechnology that it is aiming to extend life. And they were looking at that company. Like the problem is that story got totally turned into Peter Till gets the blood of young boys and new bodies.

Right, like some weird vampires. Which like there's, I don't think that's necessarily true. I don't know if it's false, but I think that that story got kind of overblown a bit. And yeah, I don't know if he's actually doing that. But for the most part, a lot of what's in that show is really true. Oh my God, it's really scary.

Like it's literally scary. Like how accurate it is. Like the weird offices that people have and there were the earliest-age companies, like the hacker houses, like those are all over San Francisco. Like tons of companies work out of houses and people kind of like, are like dysfunctional humans

kind of growing up becoming like these Peter Pan boys. Oh my. So let's back up for a second. And if you could tell our audience your background a little bit, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna just get jumped in to Zillig on Valdeen. That's how we do it. Okay, so my name is Dr. Molly Maloof

and I started my career in San Francisco working as a physician who really my aim was to optimize health with my practice. But prior to that I was working for a company called Metamed that provided personalized medical research to super wealthy individuals who wanted a research team to to figure out what was wrong with their health. So I've got a background in research and background of optimizing health, and I've been sort of a big part of this data driven movement around understanding what health is.

And concurrently, as I was building this medical practice, I was working with tech startups because building medical practice costs a lot of money. And I didn't want to take any loans out because I already had loans. So I did consulting gigs with a bunch of tech companies. And I started advising technology companies. And you're advising them on health practices and stuff?

Mostly around clinical strategy, product development, clinical research, scientific marketing. Those are like the four buckets that I would do the most work in. And you know, over the last few years, I've worked with a lot of really amazing people, both as patients, but also as companies. And now my sort of next chapter of my career is figuring how to scale me. So, you know, that's the next plan. So you do, at the moment, you still practice,

or you do a concierge model. It's a concierge model. I wish it were something that we're scalable right now, but I do really large data collection modalities on people. So I'm gathering clinical exomes. I'm gathering metabolomics, clinical chemistry markers, microbiome tests, hormone testing, and these are all just like hundreds of biomarkers at a time.

What's your typical client? My typical client is an executive or an investor in San Francisco who either has a health problem that no one has been able to solve or they have a Desire to sort of optimize their health, but they don't want to do it all themselves and they want someone to sort of be there with them What are you seeing? What are you seeing that's is there anything in common with a lot of these guys and girls? I guess surprisingly there's a lot of people who are Really entered into biohacking. I mean, it's a lot of people who are really into biohacking. I mean, it's not surprisingly. And a lot of people come to me with spreadsheets that they're already doing on their health.

Like, people who are very interested in understanding their body and understanding what's going on inside them. And they want someone who's got domain expertise to help them make sense of their data. It seems like Western medicine sometimes feels like it moves so slow, but then I have someone like you and you're like on the cutting edge and you're saying things and talking about things that a lot of practicing doctors don't even learn about.

It's interesting because we know a lot of these biohacking tools and different devices that are out there, but like to have somebody to actually interpret all that data and then put it into like a health plan, that's something I haven't really heard anybody doing yet. So are you pretty much like? Like a lot of what I do. And I type, I mean, one of the problems is,

is like I'm typing like 20 page reports for people. And there comes a point where you're like, is this really what I wanna be doing with my day? So I really, one of my goals is just to not be in front of a computer as much this year. So I've taken less patients on and I've been doing a bit more consulting and traveling to LA and doing more media work.

And what do you see as the cutting edge right now? Like what's, cause I see a lot of research on microbiome, a lot of research on fasting. Like what's, what looks promising right now. Because I see a lot of research on microbiome, a lot of research on fasting. Like, what's, what looks promising right now? I mean, so one of the things that I have on today and that I'm carrying with me is this continuous glucose monotone. And it's, I mean, there was actually a study in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about the microbiome and the biochemical individuality we have towards food. Like, our individual reactions are different. And so one of the best tools to understand that feedback loop is a CGM.

And the reason why is because you literally can see direct feedback in the moment of what you're doing with your body on a day-to-day basis. So if I eat fat sugar, it shows. Because I'm not eating sugar, right? And now I'm keto for the next last two days. And you can literally see a flat line. And then last week I was super stressed out and you see a more variable curve.

And so this is to me really, really, really, really important to the future of medicine because anything that can be in the moment and give you feedback can help you change behavior faster. There's not that lag time. That's gotta be prescribed to you though right now, right? So right now, I have to buy these and then give them to patients, but you can actually get a prescription from your doctor to pick these up at Walgreens now, but the demand is so high that Abbot literally

emailed me and said, we'd like to give you a discount on the devices you just ordered because they're going to expire soon, because we've got such demand that we need to get rid of these. And I was like, sure, I'm going to use them in the next month anyway. So yeah, it's crazy. Wow. And what you said is makes perfect sense because if I have the monitor on and I can see that what I ate at this moment caused this change and then I can connect that to how I feel. Yeah.

I'm much more likely. When you put those on for the first time, did it just strengthen what you would have already observed within yourself? And in other words, like you notice, like, oh, I kind of feel crappy when I ate these tips of things, then you put that on. And you're like, oh, there it is. So I think one of the most interesting things I discovered

was that like, there's so many people promoting plant-based diets, and I'm really plant-based at the most part. Like, I'm nomin' of where I eat meat, but I ate a lot of vegetables, like a ton. But I don't do well with grains. And this showed me, like, this will show you, that if I ate a lot of vegetables like a ton. But I don't do well with grains, and this showed me. Like this will show you that if I ate a lot of grains, like I see abnormal blood sugars. And so I, you know, I am all about us figuring out

what is a right diet that works for us. And for me, it just happens to be not a high-grain diet. Is it all grains like rice, buckwheat? I can, like I maybe I'll do occasionally a little bit of rice, but like last time I did that, I could see my blood sugar wasn't great. And how does that feel when that happens? I don't feel, it's kind of like, it's kind of like the typical story like you get around like the spike in the crash.

It's just that insulin spike and that blood sugar drop that you notice. It's the sort of delta that makes the biggest feeling change that I've noticed. And then the fact that you just get so hungry afterwards, right? Promotes overeating, I think. It does. And so I don't know, I'm not anti-grain. I think that there's a lot of people who thrive on it

and I'm just not one of those people. And I've celiac. So I think that there's a risk for auto-immunity and for issues around grades. And I think the auto- So, you know, I think that there's a risk for autoimmunity and for issues around grades. And I think the autoimmune paleo diets really take like really really taking off because there's so many autoimmune people in our country. For sure. And it's so and it's because our guts are so dysfunctional.

Right. And it's and our guts are dysfunctional because of the way that we have preservatives in our foods. We don't need enough probiotic foods. We have taken way too many antibiotics in our lifetime. We know our water quality isn't awesome. Overconsume. Overconsume, which is definitely going to release like a polysaccharide in your bloodstream.

We are way too stressed out, which can cause leaky gut alone. And then like plenty of people, we're raised on formula and weren't breastfed and we're at C-sections. So like, perfect storm of gut dysfunction. It's not surprising we have auto immunity as an epidemic in this country. How do you say what you just said right now, which by the way, coming from a doctor is so awesome.

Because when I would talk like this seven years ago, I had a lot of clients that were doctors. I used to have a wellness facility next to a hospital. And I would talk like this and I'd get eye rolls and laughs and chuckles. And I mean mean to hear a doctor talking like this like this is what wellness you know crunchy wellness experts were saying five to ten years ago now you're saying this are your peers like are you getting any pushback from your peers or is this becoming a new I got pushback seven years ago when I was when I was in

like my residency I got pushback in medical school, like 10 years ago. I mean, I was trying to teach my teachers that calories and calories out wasn't accurate anymore, and that there's like, we have an individual metabolism that will change based on what we eat, and they were like, no, no, no, no, that doesn't make any sense. They were just teaching us old science. And at the same time, we were learning about the microbiome when we were learning about these things, but they weren't really being put into practice. Frankly, I got so fed up in my residency that I said, I'm going to resign and I'm going to get my license and I'm going to get my DEA license and I'm

going to be a doctor, but I'm going to do it my way. I took a giant risk. I left my residency halfway through. A lot of people told me that I was making the biggest mistake in my life. My parents were beyond pissed off at me. My peers were like, well, you know, it's good you figured this out now instead of later. And then other peers were like, you're, you need a backup plan. What are you thinking? And at the same time, I was just like, I'm going to go find a job and I'm going to find a job that like works for me. And I found a job that doubled my income, have my work hours, enabled me to stay afloat while I got my license, because it took me a little while to get it,

because you have to like explain to the California Michael Board why you left. And so that was a little bit of, you know, I was kind of a little bit of trouble, but then I got out of it, got my license. And next thing I know, like I, you know, my mentors were these like doctors to Silicon Valley elite. And I said, my mentors were these doctors to Silicon Valley Elite

and I said, okay, if you can optimize health for a living, I want to do what you do and you're going to teach me. And they were like, read this textbook. And so my friend Jason bought me this textbook called the textbook of functional medicine. And so that's where I really got my basic understanding of how to optimize health was using functional medicine. That's excellent. Now, back to the continual glucose monitor, you were talking about how

individual people can be. And I read in Wired to Eat, Rob Wolf wrote that book. I need to read that. About how like you'd have someone who would have a stronger insulin response with, you know, an avocado than they would with a grain, for example, which you would totally not expect. And he's saying how, when we interviewed him, I asked him about this and he says, he thinks that there may be an immune reaction that's happening because an immune reaction will cause a spike in cortisol which is then really glucos.

So is that, you think that's the problem? I think that this is something that needs so much research. Like we, because I had a friend who was a, who's an immunologist and he did some, he did some any goes one studies on himself before and after eliminating sugar and what it did to his immune system. And he literally saw, totally,

like he literally saw his immune system like age reverse. Like he saw this stuff happening to himself and you know, it needs some funding behind it, but I think that there's a lot to be said about what's harming our immune system with the food we eat now. And then also, if we're eating foods that our body doesn't want and it's causing leaky gut, then you would see it in immune response, right?

Like you would see your body reacting to things. And the problem is that all these food reactivity tests, like I did like four of them at the same time on myself once and they just haven't been super accurate. No, what are they testing for? IGG antibodies, I think? There's IGG, there's IGA, there's IGM, there's IGE. And then there's like, you know, so it really depends on the

company. And then like I have this test sitting in my bathroom waiting to be done on, like, cytokine testing, right? And so, you know, these are single-point in time and we have so much to learn, but like, fundamentally, the best test you can do for food sensitivities is an elimination diet. Still, right? Still the cool thing. And what surprises me is that there isn't a company that makes this easy.

Like, someone should be doing a meal delivery service that's an elimination diet. Oh, geez. Wow. That's brilliant. It just needs to exist. Like, somebody listen to this and make this. I will advise, give me some macaroni, we'll be good.

I feel like a green chef is structured for that, you know what I'm saying? They have a structure there for sure. Right. Yeah. Because they have green, I feel like a green chef is structured for that, you know, saying they have structures there for sure. Right. Yeah, because they have green, are you familiar with green chef? Yeah, I don't have like paleo and keto and vegan and gluten free. I should talk to them. Yeah, that would be brilliant. We actually just started, we're going to start working with them pretty soon. Really? Yeah, plug. One of the things that I think needs to happen is, first of all, it needs to be a prescription. And like, it should be covered by insurance. If it's a gold standard diagnostic test, why is that never not covered by insurance?

And then the reintroduction should be an app that you get a reintroduction every day, because you'll reminder, eat this today. See how you feel. You have to do the tracking. But if you do this, you can really learn about yourself. And I have been tracking a few things lately, like grains and dairy.

And just one of the things that I get is I get like rapid weight gain like tons of water weight over the like all we gain like three pounds in a day and that's obviously not fat right that's inflammation. Yeah that's inflammation. So water. Yeah. You know what sucks though is I feel like people they like a lot of the people you deal with are like these elite level people that are looking to biohack and

a lot of times the people that we deal with, they're already broken and they need help. But there's so many people that are heading down this path and it's hard to convince those people to start to put this type of work in. I know, I know. I mean, that's the sad thing is people are fundamentally wired to be kind of lazy.

Right. And that's just like our evolutionary imperative is like preserve energy. But like, if you really wanna be healthy, you should be using your energy, right? Like you should actually be trying harder. We're in the, I dated a guy who was like super into fitness and he really shifted my mindset around health

because he was like, I literally go out of my way to make my life harder on purpose. Like he like run to work using a weighted vest. And I'm like, who are you? And he's like, but he's like, his body was insane. Like, he was super ripped, he looked incredible. And like, it was because he like valued the hard work that he put in on a day-to-day basis.

So like, it is actually work. I make my patients work really hard. In fact, like, optimizing health is not actually this easy thing to do. It takes effort and like, it's consistency, right? And it's a continuous process that changes throughout your life cycle, depending on where you're at. And so it's not this thing that you arrive at. It's this thing that you're consistently doing. I just think we need to change the conversation a little bit because yes, it's hard and it's tough,

but that's what gives things meaning. Yeah, it's challenging. And you have to be challenged to have meaning. Otherwise, you're depressed and bored and you have no, like, what is, what are the things all about? I totally agree with you. I mean, think about it this way. You think, look at all the things

that you've accomplished yourself. Wouldn't mean anything had they just been given to you? No. It wouldn't mean anything at all. So I think we changed the conversation a little bit and people can start to appreciate the process rather than be so focused on the goal. Like if I'm trying to lose 30 pounds

and all I think about is the 30 pounds, that may motivate me enough to lose the 30 pounds, but then what happens when I lose it? Like I gain it back or now what? There's a psychological term for that and I can't remember what it is. Marathon runners get a lot. Well, they'll train really hard for a marathon

and then they'll finish the marathon and then they go through Just short-peer to depression afterwards and they didn't know what to do because they don't have that goal It's really all about you know all about that process. Yep. Yeah, Molly You're you're a very ambitious driven woman. Where does that come from? I Was kind of born this way like I remember that like I just didn't remember kindergarten We're realizing there was like three different reading groups and And there was like the Robbins, the Blue Jays,

and like the Cardinals. And like the Blue Jays were the best. And I was like, holy shit, there's a best group, I have to be the best. Like I just had to be in the best reading group. I mean, it was super weird. I don't know where it came from. Do you get it from probably one of your parents?

I would assume that- You know, my parents are pretty perfectionists. Like they definitely are perfectionists. Like, my parents worked really hard to go from like, a one room home, the first home, to like, mansions, right? Like, they worked their asses off. And so I saw them growing up, like, I saw our lives changing as we, as they worked harder

and produced even more children at the same time. And so I think that rubbed off on me a little bit. And there are some pros and cons to being a perfectionist. I think I'm really still trying to deal with that part of myself. I don't think it's necessarily the most healthy thing to be. But fortunately, I've developed a self-love and self-compassion practice that's keeping me more grounded. But yeah, I think my parents, but also just like,

I don't know, I think. Are you the oldest, you have siblings? I'm the second oldest. I mean, yeah, in fifth grade, I found my calling, which is really interesting. I actually found like two callings in fifth grade, which is really crazy. Like I built my own first little business in school.

Oh wow. And like was making American Girl doll clothes and like betting and selling it to my peers. And like making me these painted paper boxes and my school found out that I was making American Girl doll clothes and selling it and selling it to my peers. And making me these painted paper boxes and my school found out that I was making money. And they were like, you can't do this. And I was just like, oh crap. So now I associated entrepreneurship with a bad thing.

So then I realized that like, but I had this like deep desire to know what I was supposed to do in this world. And then I just like thought about, frankly, this is so cheesy, but I was like, why was I given so much? And why are there people starving in Africa? And I was like, this is such a weird thing that I grew up in this family that's so loving.

And so it just occurred to me that medicine would be a way to help a lot of people. And so I decided to become a doctor, and like a really young age. And like, yeah. So where has the being of perfectionist served you, and where has it not served you so much? Um, I think it's served me from the perspective of like, I've just always been the kind of girl who's always had a packed schedule of activities.

And I've always been in clubs. I've always run for student government. I've always had to be, you know, I had to have really good grades. I had to be in a big classes. Like it's driven me do, to challenge myself and see how much I can actually do. But where it doesn't serve is like the unfortunate pervasive culture of beauty in America where you just feel bad about yourself because you're not exactly perfect. Unfortunately, I'm a pretty curvy woman, but I'm not like, I'm not going real you know, I'm not both in real-authent by any means.

But like, there is this like, fortunately, there's like a culture of real women's bodies becoming beautiful and not just like the super skinny, sad looking model. So I actually feel a lot better about myself the more society picks up on like different body styles. But yeah, I think that like, I think women's beauty culture is just like pretty toxic.

And both physically and then emotionally. Did you ever go through a phase where relationships and dating was challenging for you, being as driven and as intelligent as you are, did you ever struggle with that? Oh God, the fragile email ego must have a tough time. Yeah. You run over boys or what?

OK, I feel really bad about talking. Nah, we gotta keep it real, I'm just fucking mind-punked. Well, yeah, I mean, I have a tendency to date younger men, and so my last four boyfriends were in their 20s, and I'm in my 30s. Oh, so you just ran, Gage? You just wanna teach them.

You were telling them what time it was all the time. Yeah, I'm just kind of like cool boy syndrome. Fuck you and my girl again. No, they're wrong. You and my girl get along just, but I'm the first guy her age that she's ever dated. All the rest of them are like four years younger. Yeah. I know why that was.

You can fucking manipulate them. No. No. It's because they have so much energy and they can meet me, you know, because I have a ton of energy. But no, I think like, actually my biggest problem was in my 20s, I was in med school. And I was like, really so busy studying

that I feel like my dating world, my dating mentality, dating like got really stunted. Because like, you don't really get to date very much when you're in med school. You're kind of delaying your growing up period. And then you're in residency and you just have no time for anything. So there was about six, seven years of my life, like at least six years of my life, that

like I was legitimately like, I had no idea what I was doing with dating. So when I started dating, I felt like I was really confused. I was like, I don't even know what I'm doing. Like, I don't even know like what's going on. Like, I don't know what normal people do about this whole dating thing. And so I just, I've had a lot of trial and error the last year. You know, I didn't know this existed until I started hanging out with Dr. Buddies that were like in their 30s.

That a lot of them are like wow and out right now because they put, they sacrifice so much to the school. Now they're in a place where hey, I make good fucking money. I could do whatever I want. And some of them are, I feel like going through some of the shit that I went through like my mid early 20s and shit because they were busy doing school so much. Yeah, so I have to say that like I've made a lot of mistakes With men's hearts and I like do you have a deep appreciation for the fragile male you go? It's not that fragile. I'm gonna make you share more. I want to know I want to know more fucking details on what are some of the things that you've learned

What are your tendencies that you've done to these young boys that are trying to win your attention? We're on a podcast with people who don't know this, but you're probably the hottest doctor that I've ever personally met. So I think our audience needs to know that that's part of why I'm asking questions like this. I'm sure that you broke a lot of fucking hearts. You thought Chris Crestor was a tractor, though. Yeah, he is. Try and keep it real. It's a male guy, Todd.

This is probably the best looking female doctor that we've had in here. Well, okay. Like, I think that like there's been a lot of, over the last few years, there's been a lot of confusion of lust and love for me. So like, you meet this person, like, I'll literally not be dating for a while,

a little while, and then I'll be like, all right, I need a boyfriend. So I'm gonna go out and meet someone. And literally, like, the key is birthday parties, is where you meet guys and seversus go. It's like the key. Because especially go to a party where you know only two people there,

great way to meet people, especially if the person throwing the party is someone you really like. Like, I'm all about the real life in person meeting. Like, I don't really like app dating apps. Like, I just don't feel like they serve me because there's so much of dating is actually about the physical reaction.

But the problem is is that if you base it off of that physical reaction, then you're literally just falling in lust with people. And then like three or four months go by. And then you're like, oh shit, like, do I really? Yeah. Like you. I don't like talking to them.

You know? Like no, or maybe like I really like you as a person. I find you really interesting, but do I really want to spend the rest of my life with you? And just like, you know, doing that sort of circle, you know, maybe like you get into a relationship in the last like six to nine months, and you're like, what was I doing?

Did this again? And then you do it again, and you're like, what did I just do? And how did that happen? So now I've been doing this thing where I get to know guys before any physical contact. Right. And it drives people crazy, especially

because guys hate when you make them wait. But really getting to know people, it's just the key to obviously figuring out what's right. And so lately, the last three months, I got out of a relationship. I wanted to start dating, but I didn't want to jump into a new one. So I basically told all of the guys that I was dating, I was like, look, I'm gonna take this like super slow,

and like, like snails pay slow. And I'm just like, just so you know, like it's gonna be a while before I'm gonna be ready for anything. But I'm happy to hang out with you and get to know you. Right, right. And I learned so much during that period of time, because there was this one guy, and he was older, but I could just tell that

I was just like, you really just want to sleep with me, like this pretty much all you want. And it was funny hanging out with him because he would act like he was interested in me, but then I realized over the course of a few dates that he had no interest in me at all. And I was like, wow, I've had interesting conversations with you about current events and interesting things in the world, but you've not asked me anything about myself.

So fuck you. Yeah. Sorry. Kick rock. Are you are you starting to piece together what that the attributes that you want in a man or a whole list? Yeah, Tira. What it was like.

I mean, yeah, what's the non negotiables? I mean, I have a whole list. Yeah, Tiram, what are you, what are, and I don't feel like I'm on a crazy boat to somewhere. That was with my last relationship. He's so much potential. He's going to be so successful. But the ride with him was so up and down that I just don't know if it was right for me. Then there's a certain amount of emotional maturity that you get from just being older. And so even though guys in their 20s are so energetic and they can keep up with me, it's hard to like imagine myself ending up with somebody who like hasn't done all that personal growth, growth work that I think is really required to be in a mature relationship. I feel like to like a like maturity seems to be stunted nowadays. Like people are taking longer

and longer to become adults. Yeah, but what's really interesting is the last three guys that I dated that were in their 20s, all of them wanted to have kids and settle down. So I'm very lucky that I find really great quality men who want the same things that I want. But I do know that there is a problem of the Peter Panthenderman Silicon Valley.

And I think that's partially because men are so busy working that they are not working on themselves. And you have to put the work into yourself just as much as you have to put the work into your relationship. And I think that there's a correlation between putting work into yourself and then investing in your relationship once you have one. Like there's relationship you have with you

and there's relationship you have with others and and there's relationship you have with others, and both require effort to become like a flourishing human being. How important is this for total for health? I think it's huge. I think like, especially getting back to the relationship with yourself, like you have to truly love yourself

to be able to really truly love someone else, and that is like a big problem in our country is people just hating themselves, and treating other people poorly because they're so mean to themselves. And I used to do this when I was younger. I was just so, I would literally like, just beat myself up for not being perfect.

And then that came out in my relationships. Like I wasn't nice to others. It was nice to my family. And like luckily, I fixed that within like high school. But it still took me a while to really grow into this version of myself that truly tries to be just compassionate and good to people. Sometimes I'm still kind of a bitch, but like,

that's because sometimes people deserve it. You have to be sometimes, I think so. It's funny, for the longest time, I didn't understand what that meant when people say you have to love yourself before you can love someone else, but if you don't love yourself, you're not worthy. You don't feel like you're worthy of someone else's love. Exactly.

And you end up sabotaging things without even realizing, because I'm not worthy of this other person. Yeah. Do you talk about this side of health with your patients as well? Yeah. Oh, wow. I do. I mean, emotional health and relationship health can be, I literally had a patient who had pre-diabetes

and we discovered it was not her nutrition. It was her relationship that was causing her emotional distress. She was being emotionally abused, not physically, but emotionally. And that led to her having actual pre-diabetes. And we found this out because she was wearing a glucose monitor.

And when she would leave town, I basically told her to do an experiment. I was like, see what happens this summer when you take some time away from her. Oh my gosh, this is brilliant. And she discovered when she would see her family in Portland that her blood sugar would normalize. Wow.

And then she would go back home. And she ended up having to leave the man. And that's a giant life change. And I did not tell her to do this. She came to the decision on her own. And I just helped her understand what was going on with her body because she'd been to a very popular clinic in San Francisco. And they said, look, you got pre-diabetes. And she's like, great, what do I do about it? And they were like, I

don't know. They were like, they didn't really give her any answers. And so she came to me because she's like, I need to figure this out because I don't want to get diabetes because that's really scary. And so we actually reversed her pre-diabetes. That's crazy. How many people you think are doing with that right now and just have no- Oh my God. So many people in this country are eating their feelings and they have all these food problems because they're so emotionally upset every day.

Like, this is a huge issue in our country. Well, it's just insane because for the longest time we have done the separating game, right? Oh yeah. You got the human organism, we have done the separating game, right? Oh yeah. You got the human organism, but it's not one big thing. We look at, oh, here's your emotions. Here's your mental space. Here's your digestion. Here's your hormones, here's your...

Sure. And then, you know, talk to each other all. Yeah, because the old way of treating pre-diabetes would have been like, okay, let's look at your diet. Oh, that's not helping. Let's put you on this medication to help lower blood sugar without even dealing with the root cause. And the only way you would have known that is with that monitor.

You know, Kelly Brogan is someone who, if you could get her on your show, I would have her because she's this psychiatrist in New York. I actually haven't met her, but I read all of her stuff and I follow her. And she's like all about just like this full, full, like 360 degree approach to mental health. And I've looked at her books and I've seen what she writes about.

And the same stuff that she writes about, those same things that I'm recommending, like pretty much anybody who's working in functional medicine or chronic disease prevention or trying to like, optimize health is looking at a person's lifestyle from every direction. They're looking at their relationships. They're looking at their daily habits, the way that they eat, the way that they drink, the way that they breathe, the way that they work, the way that they sleep. All these things really do contribute to overall health. When someone has mental health problems, yes, there might be a genetic component to it,

but a lot of it is also lifestyle. A lot of it is people not living in a way that actually optimizes the brain's function. And I think a lot of it is gut health problems too. Like I know people who have clear gut dysfunction and they're like trying to study depression and figure out depression from like the molecular mechanisms and I'm just like, dude, your gut's disordered. Like if you don't heal your gut,

you're not gonna heal your brain because your gut has brains too. You know, like you have ganglia and your brain. You have nerves if you don't heal your gut, you're not gonna heal your brain because your gut has brains too. You know, like you have ganglia in your brain, you have nerves in nerve bundles in your gut that are talking to your brain. And that's happening 24-7. And so like, it's just, it's surprising. It's the second brain, right?

It's the second brain, it's the highest, second highest concentration of what serotonin receptors. Absolutely. And I think the heart is supposed to be the third, if I'm not mistaken. How funny is that? Ancient, what do you think about that now? Because you know what you sound like right now? Absolutely. And I think the heart is supposed to be the third if I'm a second. Yeah. How funny is that? What do you think about that now?

Because you know what you sound like right now? Obviously, you're Western medicine trained and you understand the scientific method and you follow the process of getting evidence or whatever. But you know what else you sound like? Eastern medicine. Oh yeah. You sound very much like that old wisdom

that is erivetic or Eastern medicine or that we've learned. Like, have you studied those at all? Yeah, I mean, I read a lot, but I also'm just, one of my big goals is to understand what is, like, this unified theory of health, like, what is health really mean and what is it made of and why do we have it and why do we need it. And frankly, we need health to meet our purpose in life. If you don't have purpose in life, what's the point of being healthy, right? Like a lot of people are living just to function, just to stay alive, just to, and they're not

thriving and they're not flourishing and they don't have vitality and they don't, and they don't have any reason to have health. So like why would they want to be healthy besides, and then, and then you get into the whole like evolutionary biology, right? So people want health because they want to attract a mate so that they can reproduce. And that's the reason to actually have health. But the problem with that is that we've got this totally deranged industry of beauty

and frankly some of fitness is problematic too. Oh my God, I'm so, I'm so, so, sorry. I just try not to like offend people to remind you of it. Fucking all of it, he's always talk about. But like, yeah, so people trying to achieve this certain outcome. And then forgetting that like all these products that we're putting on our bodies are potentially

inhibiting our fertility, right? Like all these parabens and thalates and trike lesan, like all these endocrine disruptors that are in these beauty products, that are in these health products. Like, Zenoestrogens, they're not helping you achieve the thing that you're trying to do, which is to attract a mate. They're making you, maybe more attractive, according to society standards, but they're not

actually making more fertile. So, I'm looking underneath the surface of all these things, right? And trying to figure out, why are we here? What are we doing? And what's the reason why we would need help? Yeah, all the things that we do through the fitness industry really is taking physical signs of, you know, your attractiveness based on your madeability, how healthy your genes are, and then we distort the shit out of them. So like, okay, a muscular man with a tight waist is probably healthier than someone who's not like that. But let's distort the fuck out of it put them on steroids and make them look crazy.

You know, you know, you are being curvy on a woman or having certain skin tone or your hair or whatever. Let's distort the hell out of it with all these products and now create the illusion of health through these physical signs when it reacts to an emergency. Yeah, it would just be healthy. And then you get all of those things. One of the statistics that alarm me the most when I read it, and now it is a second statistic that I learned the other day was men's testosterone levels have been dropping now for, I think the past four decades.

Oh, I know. And then their sperm counts are dropping as well. Do you think that has to do with all the the Zenoestrogens and stuff that I do Think that it's a symptom of like well, I mean let's like think about this is just a hypothesis But like birth control emerged around them too, right? And so women are peeing birth control into the water supply Like that that's probably impacting things There's also the fact that like our health dramatically changed. Like most people are getting fatter. I'm on performance. And so we basically create

costume compounded medicine for people. And we'd use it based on, we'd basically make it off of their laboratory tests and their genetics. And it was a really cool company. And it worked really well. But the whole time I was asking myself, like, whenever there was a young person who would come in,

I would always freak out a little bit because I'm like, aren't we gonna disrupt their fertility? Like this won't matter to you if you've already done having kids, but like I know people who've had, like they're basically infertile because they've been on testosterone for like 10 years in their 20s. And the reason why, like this one patient,

reason why he was on testosterone was cause he wanted to meet his, he had pretty much hypogoninism. So he was basically below 300 testosterone on his labs. And he wanted to reach his goals in the fitness world. He wasn't doing that naturally. So he decided he would go on testosterone. And he felt a lot better, but then his access was thrown off.

So I'm not anti-hormones used appropriately. And as we age, we will just see a natural tapering off of a lot of hormones, like thyroid, progesterone, testosterone. These are, and like for women, obviously, estrogen. Sure. And I will probably take hormones, actually, actually, currently take progesterone right now for fibrocystic breasts. But I'm not opposed to hormone use, but I think that like, we do need to look at this like big picture of like the stress in our lives and what that does to our hormone access. That makes it, I tell the guys, I think so.

I'm going through the person you just gave an example of. I competed at the professional level in bodybuilding. For about four years there, pretty consistently, I was taking synthetic testosterone. What I started doing about two years ago was every year I would try and come off and then naturally reboost my testosterone. And this year I've decided that like I'm going to try, I mean Katrina and I are talking about potentially having a kid. And when I first initially got on it, I was, I was tested like 250.

My level was really low and that was partially from my early 20s, fucking around with it, not knowing what I was doing as a kid. And then I really felt it catch up to me. But one of the things that I've noticed more than anything else, and I remember taking 500 milligrams of testosterone a week and not having a sex drive because of stress that was going in my life. So I noticed that more than even the taking a high dosage

or not at all of synthetic testosterone. So the way I talk to people now is addressing stress and sleep and all these factors even before anything else. Is there anything that you would recommend for me right now? And that's kind of where I'm at. I'm, you know, sleep stress. Those are my priorities. Wait, resistance training, red light therapy. I'm taking some herbal supplements. Um, yeah. I mean, like, there was, there's like a bunch of other medicines that people take to get to like reboot, reboot, um, fertility. Like men actually will use HCG. So I have that there was, there's like a bunch of other medicines that people take to like reboot, reboot fertility. Like, men actually will use HCG.

So I have that. To boost that, to like really get the FSH axis going again. And then I'm trying to think of the other medications right now. Well, is it, I've heard a bodybuilder's taking to Moxifin or Clomid. Clomid, yeah. I've heard about that as well. I mean, we used to prescribe those at Gene's All.

Especially for men who didn't want to be on testosterone, but they wanted the boost. So yeah, I mean, and then the monitoring, really, getting the regular lab test to see if you're actually making, if these things are making a difference. You know, I think what's really interesting about this topic is like, if you look at fertility in men, it's not just men, but it's women too,

women are experiencing infertility. And like we've been doing this giant experiment with women on birth control for the last like 40 years. Oh my God, we need to talk about this because. Like come on. Well, I'll tell you what, I do some coaching of clients. And so many of them will be like, oh, you know, I went off birth control like two years ago,

but nothing's been normal. I'm still all over the place. My girlfriend, you know, I went off birth control like two years ago, but nothing's been normal. I'm still all over the place. My girlfriend, you know, she was on birth control. It took her so long to get normal afterwards. And you think about it like, you're on a hormone, or one that's mimicking a hormone, whatever, for someone been going birth control for 15, 20 years, consistently.

What does that do to the body then when you try and come off? There's a negative feedback loop with those hormones as well. Exactly. I mean, I think that there's at least I was just having a conversation over brunch with some women who are like, it's funny, I spent my entire 20s trying not to get pregnant. Now I'm in my 30s and trying to get pregnant and it's so hard because I'm just going off birth control. And I'm like, well, these are all the things you can do.

You can use the Ava wristband to track your HRV, and I think they do temperature too. I'll have to double check that, but that can help you measure your ovulation. You can, I'm doing like a month-long menstrual cycle rhythm urine testing. So it's like 21 samples over a month to see what my cycle looks like.

I'm measuring LH in my urine through LH test strips. I could actually see if I'm ovulating that way. And then, I track my cycle through different apps to see if I'm regular or not. There's so many, first of all, you have to understand what normal is for you. And then find out if you're ovulating. Find out if there's anything wrong with your luteal cycle. For me, I've been on the low end of progesterone for a while now, and I was hesitant to start using it as a medicine, but then I spoke to a doctor and I got a breast exam and he's

like, yeah, you've got fibrocystic breasts. I'm like, oh, that must explain why they're so painful before I period. So I did a bunch of research, started on iodine, started on progesterone cream, problem-gone. Really? Yeah. And the thing is, here's the deal. I know my lifestyle is stressful. Part of why people pay me is because they are like,

look, I know my lifestyle is stressful. I'm not going to stop doing all the things that I'm doing. So how can I optimize my health despite my demands? And so the way I see it is. I love the way you put that, by the way. The reality is, I'm not going to just like, I have, by the way, in the past, like letting my. Like the reality is, I'm not gonna just like, I have by the way in the past like Latin my workload, but unfortunately when I do that,

I like don't feel as fulfilled. Right, Robin Peter to pay Paul. What? Robin Peter to pay Paul. Yeah. Yeah, you're identifying what gives you, I guess, meaning in life or what makes you feel fulfilled. So do I. Yeah, I mean, I also just or what makes you feel fulfilled. So do you?

Yeah, I mean, I also just like function better when I have a little bit more stress. Like I need a good baseline amount of stress to like be productive. And it, and once it just gets too much, it becomes problematic. And part of this is like the cataclylamethyl transferase enzyme, you guys heard of compt, the warrior warrior gene.

No. Yeah, so like, oh, do you have that? I have like the, I mix,. I'm mixed for your barrier. So I'm right in the middle. So basically like, I need just enough stress to get me to move. But if I have too much stress, I'm like a disaster. But a lot of like entrepreneurs that I meet and investors, they like really do need a lot of stress to be at their best.

And so the problem is, is that like, they're, they need someone to help them maintain that level. You know, they need, they need, they need regular two help them maintain that level. You know, they need regular tuneups. They need to be able to like handle the stress that they have and recover from it. So like stress isn't bad if you recover regularly, but like if you're not recovering at all, that's the problem.

I think that's where a lot of athletes are starting to like be innovative in this way. Like if you look at the Olympic athletes and you look at the professional athletes, like recovery is becoming just as important as training. And the same thing goes for these executives, these executive athletes, these executives who are like using their mind instead of their bodies every day to be like pushing themselves to the max. So. Have you found, have you found like some common things that you, you're telling all of these

guys and girls that are this high level, like habits, like listen, you put this into your life, I promise that's gonna pay you back 10 fold, is there? Common. Definitely meditation. Okay. But meditation is tricky because you don't want to meditate to the level of like full of blown enlightenment. Because people who do that end up like dropping off the mat,

they're like, fuck, this isn't even meaningful. Like I don't even need to do life anymore. I just need to sit here and meditate. Like that happens to people sometimes when they do meditation retreats. You see that a lot with this. You see one extreme than the other. The job entirely.

Yeah, exactly. I know investors who've totally fallen off the deep end on meditation. So it's like, meditate to the point where you get that sense of focus. And it's almost like a self-love practice too, because you're literally just being with yourself. And then it's just great for overall attention.

I think it's really key. And then just like helps you really maintain calm during the day and know that you can breathe. Really the breathing practice is the biggest value out I think. And then there's infrared sauna or infrared mats. Like if you can't fit us on in your home, like the biomats, great. Just because I've actually worn heart rate variability monitors

as I was working. And I would find that when I would lay on the biomat, like you could actually see my heart rate variability change and become much healthier. So I'm a big fan of infrared sauna for that reason. It's just great for heart rate variability, because it's the relaxation response. Like, it's getting you, it's actually,

the peripheral vasodilation literally is like turning on your parasympathetic nervous system. So you just need to balance out that sympathetic drive with some parasympathetic. It's a feedback, Luke. People don't realize that there's a, you can think something and cause a physical reaction, or you can cause a physical reaction

that then will cause you to think something. It's this, like the gut, we were talking about the gut earlier. There's this positive feedback loop where if I have a bad gut and then that stresses me out, now I'm stressed out, that's gonna make my gut worse. And then it becomes this vicious cycle. This vicious positive feedback, that's why meditation for me or mindfulness is so,

it's such an effective interruptor for me. So when I find myself like getting anxious over something and it causing other issues, which I make me anxious, I can stop, become mindful, interrupt what's going on, stop the cycle, and then once you do that enough times, it becomes easier and easier. It will be a bit of a wall. It does.

Now, because of what you do, the people you work with and your attitude, which is very open and cutting edge, are there things on the fringe that you have observed and work with? I know we're in Silicon Valley, and there's a lot of people who are doing things like micro-dosing LSD for improved performance, or Silosibon, what about that kind of stuff?

I got interviewed by the Financial Times last year on a story about microdosing honesty. Did you really? Like, how, yeah, I was really nervous hitting my picture in Financial Times. Oh, like, we had a whole photo shoot and everything. I was like, please don't make me the poster child for this movement, but I'm actually pretty passionate

about psychedelics as medicine. Really? Yeah, and the reason why is, for a lot of people, meditation is just not going to become more to the lifestyle. And a lot of people want the shortcuts. That's going to be part, like, as we talked about before, there's kind of like this imperative biologically to just conserve energy and not waste time. And a lot of people just want the lazy route.

And I'm not saying that psychedelics are the lazy route, but it's kind of like the difference between, like, hiking the mountain and taking a plane to the top, right? Or taking a helicopter. Like, it's gonna take time for you to do it by meditation, but you can get, and by the way, I have actually tripped on a meditative experience, like literally on my own neurochemistry. So it can be done.

I did a nine day retreat. I was like higher than a kite when I left that and I was totally sober Wow, whole time. It was nuts. I Don't recommend driving. I was like someone drove me home, but But that was really cool. So but with psychedelics like I mean like the fundamental truth and I'm talking more about like therapeutic psychedelic treatments for PTSD and for And I'm talking more about therapeutic psychedelic treatments for PTSD and for direct trauma. Well, the research coming from maps is phenomenal.

Yeah, like this, this is a movement around healing people's trauma and our country is a traumatized country. We have been to multiple wars. We have caused a lot of harm in people's lives. A lot of men have killed a lot of people. And now we have this like consistent problem of young people killing each other. Like, this is a traumatized country right now. So, I mean, it's not even ad, like the Me Too movement,

and how many women and men have been sexually traumatized, right? So for at least people, like, there aren't that many modalities of healing that really truly get down to that problem, and say, like, what people think is happening with psychedelics is like, you go into the psychedelic state and you start processing that experience that you've had that was super painful under an experience that feels really quite good and that feels that feels safe and feels nurturing and you're able to move through it and move

past it. And this is like, these are veterans who are getting experiences with this, right? Like, these are people who've had serious problems in their lives that are like saying, this has been transformative for me. These are people with end of life anxiety because they have cancer, who are like, I have a reason to live while I'm still alive. And that's huge. And so, like, as much as everyone wants to talk about microdusting and celosibum, which I think are fabulous, if used appropriately and safely, which is hard to do because it's everyone's getting it under the table, I would like to see these become

mainstream medicine that can be prescribed by a doctor with a specific dose from a like a reputable supplier, who you know isn't going to hurt you, right? Because like my experience with the underground San Francisco drug world is like, I have a lot of friends who are like engineers, I know that I know like what the world is like, I have a lot of friends who are like engineers, I know what the world looks like, and there are people pushing drugs.

And like if you get drugs from a pusher, you're gonna take too much, you're gonna take the wrong dose, and you're gonna get hurt. And that's like that's a big problem with the Burning Man world. I can't tell you the number of people who I know have been traumatized by drug experiences

at Burning Man because they were irresponsible with how they took them. And so the conversation that I always try to have about these things is, let's talk about harm reduction first and then let's talk about the benefits second. Because if we don't reduce harm first and foremost, then we're gonna have the 60s all over again, which frankly maybe move us forward one step

but maybe two steps back in some ways. Because now look at all the people that maybe remember we're older, and are addicted to opioids. Yes, absolutely. And it's funny to context matters. When you read the studies on, like there was a recent one published,

so maps, our programs are called maps, our fitness programs, but then there's maps that multi-disciplinary association of psychedelic studies. And they just published a study that I think was like two-thirds of the people being treated with MDMA who have who had untreatable PTSD. Two-thirds of them were essentially cured,

which is nobody, like that's insane. When you have PTSD that's considered untreatable, like these are people who've gone for years and years and years of therapy and they're all on all these different medications. And it's just terrible quality of life. When you get a two-thirds curate, that is absolutely groundbreaking, but the context matters. They did it with therapists who are people who know how to talk people through, do cycle therapy while the person's on this particular substance. It makes a tremendous difference.

It's not just people at home taking drugs on their own. They're like, okay, I'm going to solve my PTSD. So what's really interesting is that like it's according to maps, it might be like two years within, we might be able to actually see this prescribed for compassionate use cases within two years. Well, that's cool. That's very cool. I heard that from Rick Domlin directly. Now, you mentioned something else about this opiate epidemic, but I see lots of epidemics. I can't remember where I read this, but something like the

the amount of people prescribed SSRI drugs for non-depression like PMS and for other types of yeah it's like through the roof and then we have kids on, you know, ADD, you know, methamphetamine type medications like crazy, like what's going on here? Like, first of all, are we getting sicker or is it just that we're finding more reasons to prescribe drugs? Like what's your opinion on this? Oh, that's a really good question. Um, or is it both? I think that we are getting sicker. Um, I think that we are we are also, so like I know a lot of people in biotech and I actually know how that machine works now. And it's possible to make a lot of money

if you develop a drug that has effect on a problem. But in the process, we have developed new problems, right? Like restless legs was not a disease like until probably like 10 years ago. So we are already inventing more problems, but I do think that a lot of people are generally not thriving and not adapting to the stress of our lives. And so people are just getting unhealthy air. And so, you know, I'd have to look at the rates of disease.

Like certain diseases that we're doing much, much better in like childhood cancers, we're just killing it. We're literally just, we're just much, much better in. Childhood cancers, we're just killing it. We're literally just doing so well with that. And part of that reason is because they have so few doctors that are all working together to solve these problems together. And that you don't see that in a lot of other specialties, where all the doctors are truly getting together to come up with solutions that they can scale.

That's how the childhood cancers are a small population. And there's like 250 doctors who all know each other. And they're all developing protocols together. And so like, what I need, I think we need to do in medicine is we, everyone needs to talk more. And everyone needs to start developing these like, protocol and systematic like solutions that are not just drugs, that are like drugs maybe,

but lifestyle, like Dale Brezden's protocol for early cognitive decline is a phenomenal. He created a software program that coaches can use, taking labs, taking questionnaire data, providing you with a personalized plan for reversing your early cognitive decline. Like, we need to have software programs for every disease in order to show people

like there's a personalized approach to treating everything. And there's a bunch of different things you can do for almost every disease Right, the question is is what's gonna be the things that are right for you to do? Mm-hmm. And your lifestyle. Yeah, one of the big ones that is to me seems alarming and maybe you know the statistics better than I do But you know when I was a kid I don't remember nearly as many

allergies food allergies in particular like when I was in school I don't remember I don't have I didn't have anybody in my classes or any tables that were allergen free or peanut free. Now when I send my kids to school, it's like, this is a peanut free school or this is the, you know, these are the four tables. It's exploding. Well, that's partially due to a, the fact that we've fed so many people, so many antibiotics, and we've kind of screwed up the microbiomes of these people, which means like, you know, if your microbiome isn't healthy, your immune system isn't healthy because most of your immune system is in your gut. So that's problematic, and so now they're just reacting to things that they shouldn't be reacting to.

But then there's also the hygiene hypothesis, and that, you know, as we've become a cleaner and cleaner community in an environment, we just haven't developed the tolerance that we had in the past. So. Throw your kids in the dirt. Throw your kids in the dirt. Well, it's funny. So this is, this is trip off this, right? So I can't remember the name of the book, but I was reading about these studies

where people with autoimmune diseases will go and voluntarily give themselves a parasite. Oh yeah, Helma therapy. Yes. I literally was sending a patient with Crohn's this information last week. I was like, you need to talk to this doctor. So explain this.

So apparently it's actually quite common for people outside of America to have parasites. And if you look at the rates of immune dysfunction in other countries, it's just doesn't even compare to ours. And the theory is that their immune system is being better balanced by the fact that they have these parasites living in their body that are keeping the TH1, TH2 arms of their immune system more in line. And so that's how I see it, I can be wrong.

But the idea is that you introduce these little worms that are sort of symbiotic. And they're like, they're parasites, but they're also like helping you. So it's more of a symbiosis. And it will help turn down your overactive immune system, the overactive side of your immune system that is actually causing you to have the autoimmunity. Now it's all experimental at this point still. We need a lot more research.

But I mean, I'm all about experimentation. The funny thing is, is that that same patient, we're trying to get her a stool transplant. And I'm actually more excited about stool transplant or anything. Because I know that we're going to be able to modulate people's bodies by changing their microbiomes. And her partner, we were going to do a stoolplant from him, but his microbiome looked just like hers because they lived together. So that's the funny thing that you learn about people,

and this is actually kind of funny to even go into this little discussion, but I always try to tell people, like when you think about even sexual behavior, you need to ask yourself, if you're gonna sleep with this person, do you wanna share your microbiome with that? It's so true.

Because you're sharing your oral microbiome, your vaginal microbiome, you're sharing it. Dude, you want that? You go down on somebody, you're getting their microbiome. You're getting the microbiome. And you're gut. Same thing with if you're dosing the family, if people who have dogs carry more dog oral bacteria

than people who don't have dogs. Like it's just a thing. I learned this when I was doing research on the oral microbiome whereas tech started. So. Well, maybe that's why you guys are having good issues now hanging out with me. Hey, good insurance. I want to circle back to a couple times already in this conversation. We've discussed like emotions and I'm reading a good book right now and I'm just curious to do you have a theory on how emotions are made that you subscribe to? I've actually been doing quite a lot of like, I have a bunch of ever-note files on a

motion right now. One of the best phrases I've heard about emotions is emotions are energy and motion. A lot of what I feel emotions are is this physical reaction that we have a story that we attach to, right? And so typically, if you become emotional, it's gonna pass within a certain period of time. Emotions become problematic when we resist them. And especially when like something traumatic happens in our lives, like we don't act like animals

where we just like shake for like an hour and then we like move on. We sometimes we do, but like a lot of people like bury their emotions and like they just like don't want to deal with them. And I think that that is actually one of the more maladaptive ways to be a human because it just doesn't seem like you're able to process things and like typically

the more you process stuff the better you feel. And so processing it in the moment, letting it go is typically like the best way to deal with things, but it's just not really allowed in our culture. And that's, I mean, it's not nearly as bad as British culture. We're like, oh my God, they just do not like emotions at all. And then they just get drunk and deal with them. You know?

So, I mean, I have so many notes on this, but do I have it all totally ready for prime time? No, not yet. Well, I mean, the old classical theories that this old, the primal, something happy to us and we react to it. And so I feel like we've thought about it that way for such a long time that someone just said this to me, therefore I feel this way. And that's as deep as we look, but there's so many other. And I like to say that again, what you said. Emotions are energy and motion. Yes. And I think that's where we're at now is that there's, there's

many pathways to an emotion and there's many factors and variables that can play a role in this. It's not simply someone does this and it makes me feel this way. It may just feel that way today because of what happened today or what's where your current mindset is. And then I think teaching people how to, and I try and give this as a tip. So like when I'm helping people with self awareness, I'm always talking about your state change throughout your day, like everything from happy emotions and sad and angry, and then learning how to unpack that

and go like, okay, today, you know, Molly said something to me today, and I noticed that like bothered me, or that excited me, and why is that? And then unpacking that. Yeah. I think it's really fascinating. It's, you know, when it comes to,

it's also how you interpret your own emotions, like excitement and anxiety are identical. Yes. I mean, biochemically, right? Totally. It's literally your perspective on the problem. Totally, so it's like, okay, you're anxious? No, you're excited.

Yeah. You can literally switch that. I've done it before. I mean, that gets into the whole discussion around like maladaptive neural patterns people make when they don't know how to manage your motion. And you see this with people who are chronically depressed where they're like,

they've literally consolidated this pathway around negativity that they've built this brain pathway kind of like when you're in the woods and you're making a trail. They've only built the trail to the bad place, right? They haven't built the trail to the good place yet. So they literally have to redirect their brain and build new neural networks to think differently.

Totally. And that takes, by the way, it takes just as much work to be happy is it does to be sad and people don't realize that. No, you're strengthening. It's so, one of the things I love most about fitness is fitness is a very primitive, basic microchasm of all the stuff that we're talking about. So I'll give you an example.

So you're talking about patterns. Well, we talk about muscle recruitment patterns. So if I squat a particular way for 15 years, I'm going to have to unlearn that way to squat and squat a new way so that then when I squat without thinking I squat differently. Exactly. But at first it's going to require me to consciously think about my positioning as I squat, where I place my hips, where I place my knees, and I have to practice it enough consciously

before it becomes unconscious. It is no different than, look, some people can just be tired. Other people can be tired and be like, that means I'm depressed. And that's because they've made those connections. So every single time now that they're, you know, they're feel good chemicals are down rather than feeling tired and depleted, they feel depressed.

And that's what they end up strengthening. So, I mean, I've dealt with that myself. Like, I sometimes work myself into the ground too much. And then I get, like, and then I'm like, why am I so sad? And then I'm like, oh yeah, I like worked for two weeks straight. Maybe I just need to recover. And then I'll take like two days off.

And I'll be like a totally new person on Monday. And it's literally just because I need more recovery. Do you? Do you find, I find this common with high achievers. I've worked with a lot of them as a trainer for high paying clients. And we've met quite a few of them. And I have co-hosts that are very high achieving.

And I find that high achievers tend to have like two years, like on or off. Like I'm either super interested in motivated is hell or not at all. Is that my sister? Well, what am I, sister? She hung out with me for like a month. And when she's trying to figure out her life. And she's like, Molly, you know, it's really weird. Like you're either just working or partying.

And I was like, well, I don't party that much. She's like, I know you don't, but like you work a lot. And I'm like, yeah, because I like what I do. But like I do, I do have a great social life too. You know, I think it's really important to have balance. But sometimes I don't even go out on weekends because I'm just like, I don't need to see the too. I think it's really important to have balance, but sometimes I don't even go out on weekends because I'm just like, I don't need to see the world. I just need to sleep.

Like last weekend I slept 12 hours one night and it was awesome. I woke up the next day, me and like, yeah, I feel like a million times better. And that's the thing, I just needed more recovery. So simple as that. I know that high intelligence is correlated relatively strongly with like a little bit of crazy or a little bit of like depression or a little

bit of like like dysfunction. Yeah, it's very strongly, I mean, it's pretty strongly correlated. Yeah, I wonder if, you know, I've speculated this in the past, I wonder if what makes some people so good or intelligent or effective is because they're so different in a little bit dysfunctional. Gotta be a little neurotic. You have to be a little weird. I mean, I'm definitely embraced my like weirdness since I've been a December to school.

Like I felt like I found my spiritual home when I moved to the Bay Area. Where were you from originally? From Illinois, you're Illinois. Oh, okay. So it's like America. Yeah. Yeah. It's totally different. But yeah, I it's like America. Yeah.

It's totally different. But yeah, I always think about that. And then, of course, working with these really smart people, I'm like, throw all just a little bit weird. Oh, yeah. Or a little bit odd. So many of my friends who are just the most unbelievable people that I cannot even fathom how smart they are,

they're kind of weird to hang out with. I'm not going to, they're kind of strange. But I thrive on hanging out with people who make me get a sense of awe and wonder, and just a sense of holy shit curiosity. That's what I just love about my friends is the people that I spend time with and make time for. They're just constantly blowing my mind and it's great. That's awesome.

It's super great. What are you doing now right now? I know you're working with... Oh, yeah. There's this company called Sano Intelligence that I'm like crazy obsessed with and I've been obsessed with for five years. And it's a minimally invasive continuous

glucose monitoring patch that you just slap on your arm, download the app, turn it on, and you're ready to go and you can see your blood sugar throughout the course of a day. So this is a, so a continuous glucose monitor. It's glucose monitor. Measures your blood sugar in real time So what you have right now in your hand is a or what you had in your hand was a monitor about the size of Maybe like a garage opener. Yeah, and on it you can see

Like in real time you eat a meal. You can see glucose rise or fall You can see if stress does anything to you You can see if you're on a cuter diet, then nothing happens. That's yeah, yeah, you could see all these different things. But the problem with these monitors in the past is they're invasive. Even the one you have on now has a little tiny needle

that goes in your arm, which means you have to get a prescription for it. But the company you're working with is working on one that's minimally invasive. Yes, so it's the size of the needles are just microscopic. They're super, super small. So it's more of like, it feels like kind of like Velcro

than it does like a needle. Now, we are still dealing with some form factor issues. It kind of currently like doesn't look like the sleek Apple product yet, but we're trying to get it there. And don't get me wrong, the micro needles are in your skin. But like, it's not the same as like seeing, when you take it and you look at it, you're like, you

don't see a big needle staring back at you. You see a ton of tiny, tiny, imperceptible needles. So when it gets put on your arm, you get a 24 hour read back on your, you basically get consistent levels, sent to your phone. Instead of having to carry this, you literally just have an app that you can open up. And it will start reminding you and sending you feedback on like, for example, last week when I had some sugar at lunch, which I never do, but I did and I spiked, it would alert me, hey, what did you eat? And then I would track that. And the thing about tracking this, that's really important, is that you might realize that this thing makes you feel better,

makes you spike. But are you keeping track of this over time? Are you actually really... If I look at the... I've worn this for the whole year, this Ebott Libre Pro, pretty much off and on for a year. And I can tell you, there's a lot of things that caused me to spike, but I didn't actually keep a record of all of them. I just know now in my head, but it'd be really nice if I had an app that just told me, oh yeah, that's not something you should be eating.

Let's talk about that in the old digital health space. What does the future landscape look for that? Because I know that's going to be a breakthrough product for just your everyday consumer to be able to have access to. What would the utopian look without that? I think the utopian is that we all have been plantable in our body. That's like giving us a feedback on stress,

on sleep timing, on exercise, on glucose, on like in real time. Like that, that can run. It's like we're close to that. We will be there within like probably 10 years. It sounds like a black mirror episode on the internet. It is so black mirror episode. I really want there to be like a show called white mirror.

That's the, like, it's so- It's like positive. Yeah, that's like the positive version of the future because the thing about Black Mirror, that I heard, here's the reason why it's scary. They take everything that's cool and cutting on an innovative and they weaponize it. And so that's why it's scary.

It's a shit out of you because you're like, they're literally turning all these things that like all these robots into like killing machines. Of course, that's scary. Now, I think it's also just like, it's providing us a reflection of our culture and society. But I, for the most part, want to see the future look bright and beautiful.

And I'm very fortunate that a lot of my friends are working on like really cool projects like using drones to replant trees throughout the world at like 10X faster and 10X cheaper than current replant. Like I have friends are doing crazy shit and Server Cussing lot here guys This is my pump now, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so like I think that we need more media that's like Nourishing our brains and making us hopeful for the future unless of this like everything has to be negative because that's what all people will watch

Like I'm people watched full house and say by the bell most for family friendly shows. So we need more. We need more of those. We all love the talk about ski. Don't we need more of those? I think it's like, I mean, if you look at history, we always tend to do this like pendulum thing, right? It swings real hard one way, then comes back the other.

And I think that's just one of the things that we're going through right now. And we're gonna see it swing back the other directions. Please bring back the 90s. Yeah, I think so. I think you're already starting to see it., and we're gonna see it swing back the other directions. Please bring back the 90s. Yeah, I think so. I think you're already starting to see it. In fashion, you already see it. Some of the shit I was wearing back

of the 90s coming back in style, so I think that the 90s are coming back, dude. It's coming back. Well, it's changing so fast. I mean, media is all becoming, like my kids do not know movie stars or TV stars. They know YouTube stars. Instagram stars.

And it's an all that shit. Like it's ridiculous I went to the mall with my daughter and my daughter's telling me about oh that's what it was she had her cell phone she's only eight by the way and she has this old cell phone and on the cover on the on the home screen is some picture of some girl so I'm like oh is that like a friend of yours and she goes no I don't even know the person's name she's like that's so and so she's a YouTube star I'm like what wow then we walk over to I don't remember the name of the store Claire's like, that's so-and-so. She's a YouTube star. I'm like, what? Wow. Then we walk over to, I don't remember the name of the store, Clare's, I think it's called. Yeah.

And we walk in there. And there's a whole section devoted to this girl and her products Wow. On YouTube. It's crazy. That's amazing. It's insane. So yeah, things are changing very quickly. But with this glucose monitor that you guys are working on, that'll be available to the average consumer. Yeah.

So the average person will be able to use it. But you're working with people now who are wearing the more invasive one, but you have a lot of experience working with these. What are some of the crazier things that you're seeing that are affecting people's blood sugar or glucose? Well, okay, so in medical school,

you learn about the basics of the stress response and glucocorticoids and what those do for insulin resistance and what those do to release glucose into your blood to help you get out of danger, for example. So stress is designed to get us to move. And the reason why we typically want to move is like if it was K-man times, we want to run away from dangerous things. So when you liberate glucose, you provide your muscle with some supply to actually get out of something.

Now this happens because you get stressed. Cortisol goes up. Cortisol goes up. It takes it out of the liver, the get out of something. Now this happens because you get stressed, cortisol goes up. Cortisol goes up. Takes it out of the liver, the sugar out of the liver. Yeah, you liberate glucose and you basically, you have the fuel you need to get out of danger. So the problem is that people are stressed out, but they're not moving, right?

They're not moving because they don't know that. Because there isn't real danger there or whatever. There's not real danger, it's like fake danger, right? It's like someone who's mean to me. And that happens. So people are going to work and they're in toxic workplaces or they're coming home when there was a toxic partner or maybe they have five kids and they don't have any help.

And they are reacting to everything. And the thing is that stress response, I've found is really, really interesting with blood sugar because you can actually see on days when people are stressed That the curve has more variability to it. It's more jagged It doesn't have like that smooth curve and that smooth rise and drop with the meals that you would expect and You see it just generally higher so the average daily glucose is higher on those days

So stress is fascinating and I don't think that people with diabetes are like thinking enough about this There's are there are papers on this, but they're not widespread. And then there's a bunch of other things that can affect blood glucose. Low testosterone can affect blood glucose. Obviously, your macronutrients makes a difference. Proteins and carbohydrates mostly, mostly with carbs, mostly refined carbs and sugar. But also portions, if you beat too much of something, you're gonna see your blood sugar go up.

Alcohol has an interesting effect on blood sugar where some people, it makes it go up, some people make it go down. Interesting, why would it make you go down? I don't really totally understand that the feedback on this right now. I have some literature on it, but I do. Heavily.

Like, I actually wish I had a more intelligent and broached answer to that, but I do. Heavily. Like, I actually wish I had like a more intelligent and broached answer out of that, but like, I don't know. And then there's, under all the other things, there's obviously fitness. So certain activities will make your blood sugar go down from fitness, but then certain, if you like, end up stressing your body out. Too much, right?

And you go off. So I had a client who was, who had just become diabetic, good friend of mine. And he would always measure his blood sugar. And we were we would work out. And whenever we would do like a hard workout, and I didn't understand this at the time, he'd come back and be like, man, sound, my blood sugar was like through the roof. I'm like, that's so weird. We just worked out. Like that doesn't make any sense. But then I started putting together. I'm like, holy shit, we're're stressing too much and he's getting this big dump from his liver because he's too stressed out So nice guy covering either to yeah, maybe not sleeping well at night. That's crazy another big thing is sleep

So just like sleep Insurcuting rhythm disturbances is just terrible for your metabolism Which is why if you're traveling across the country or? Sorry across like multiple continents, I'd definitely recommend fasting to help with jet lag, because you've got clock genes in your gut, and you've clock genes in your brain, and you can actually reset those clocks.

How does that work? So what do you mean? So your fast... So light comes into your brain in the morning through your eyes, and it activates a superchiasmatic nucleus in your hypothalamus, and then that has downstream effects throughout your hormone system from the pituitary that actually basically turns on the clocks of your other organs, essentially. All your organs, most of your organs actually have clock-dependent genes.

So there's tons of new research coming out. This one went on the Nobel Prize on all this this year. So do you fast and then wait to eat until? So fasting basically helps you reset your peripheral clocks as well as light timing. So what I tell people to do is fast like an hour or two, but start fasting, an hour or two before you leave for your flight, and then get on that new meal schedule

when you get on land. So the next meal that people have, that's your next meal. And then if it's a night time, just keep on fasting and go to sleep if you can. I had never heard this before, but it makes total sense. It's really amazing how many people tell me. Yeah, because we just went overnight, read out to Tampa for some podcast and tripping. It was brutal. I wish I knew this. Yeah.

Honestly, like tell me how it works for you because I've had so many people come back to me, be like, oh my God, you seriously changed my life. Like some, I have friends who just travel for, for a living all over the world. And they're like, you gave me a month of my life back. Figgas of this. Wow. Wow. Cause I'm not recovering with jet lag. Yeah. Wow. That's awesome. It is crazy. So you're gonna circadian rhythms is really key. That's freaking rad. So you're going to come on our show a lot more regularly, right? Yeah, it's freaking awesome. Yeah.

I would love for you to do it. Like guest resident. I'm into it. Awesome, doctor. You're not too far right? No, I'm not going to get to take care. It's like an hour. Oh yeah, no big deal.

Yeah, this is freaking rad, man. Now that we've introduced you to our audience, I would love to set that up maybe a follow up in 30 days or so where you come back and we'll actually have specific questions that our audience wants to get. Oh my god, your audience and so many questions on skin biohacking. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, I saw those on your Instagram. Oh, yeah, and let me tell you something You're you're we're a great way to get your name out there and grow your own and you're not to know where you're trying to grow that brand and so So we would like for you to come back on I'll come back for sure

Just go go easy on all them young guys, huh? I know, I know. Oh my God. You know how many of them are friends? You're gonna get a shit ton of DMs after this one now. Here's a ball, Adam. Like all day shooting, no.

I have 22. So like 25-year-old rip dude is like, I'm also real mature. Yeah. I'm sure we're 15. What's really funny is that like typically I'm the one who has to talk to the guy first because guys just are like too afraid to talk to me. That's a regular thing. Cause you're really funny. Is that like typically I'm the one who has to talk to the guy first because guys just are like too afraid to talk to me.

That's irregular. It's because you're really smart. Yeah, you're really smart. I know, apparently that's scary. Well, that's what I've been scared of. That's what I was seeking for when I was asking those questions because when you are, I mean, that's it can be intimidating for a lot of people. So I was reading, I remember what I was reading, but it was about how people tend to pick

a mate. It was really interesting, fascinating research. And this is general, of course, there's always massive individual variances, but women tend to seek mates that are either on the same level of them, on the hierarchy scale, if you will, or slightly below them,

and men, I was just gonna say, they're above them, excuse me, slightly above them. And men tend to want people across and down. So, and what, and what? So dating, so like, slightly above them. And men tend to want people across and down. So here. Is this and what and what? So dating, so like, whatever that means. Attraction, money, like status, like what? All of that, right?

So that's all included in hierarchy. Yeah, so like women tend to want men that are at their level or slightly above. And men tend to want women that are at their level or slightly below. Oh, interesting. So here's the thing, the higher a woman's intelligence is and the higher the more she earns, the higher the likelihood that she won't find a mate or whatever because of

that, because you're narrowing the field, right? Yeah. So, and this is a common one. So, you're really smart. You got to find a super smart. Yeah, I mean, that one thing that I have to say in common with all the guys I've dated is they all balled in really smart. Yeah, because you'd be bored, other ones. Yeah, I mean, that one thing that I have to say in common with all the guys I've dated is they all have all been really smart. Yeah, because you'd be bored, other ones.

Yeah, so bored. Actually, that's my biggest issue is I get bored. And then I'm just like, oh, I gotta break up with you. But what's really funny is I've got these guys, I've got a bunch of best friends that are married guys. And they're such amazing dudes. And they just literally be just hang out because they just blow my mind all the time.

So what I need to do is find someone like them who's like super duper smart and consistently blows my mind who I actually want to like stay with, you know. So like it they exist. They just happen to be married usually. Yeah, it happens. We'll find them. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for coming on. Oh my god. Thank you so much. This was so fun. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate it. I appreciate your awesome. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance,

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