Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 726: The Truth About Anabolic Fasting, Best Movie Snacks, Staying Active While Overcoming Adrenal Fattigue & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode... This fantastic episode! Of MIND! On one of a kind episode! Pump!

Starting point is 00:00:19 For the first, I don't know, 40 minutes or so, we do our introductory conversation, current events. We ease you, talk. First we talk about American Idol and Shark Tank. Is that all scripted? Is it bullshit? Find out. We talk about Xeno Estrogens. Conspiracy.

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Starting point is 00:01:33 We get so many inboxes from people in the show notes. There's direct links for all the things that we talk about. And that's on our website, right? MindPumpMedia.com. Right, dude, you can go right into the show notes and find it. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, if you're watching a movie with your family, what snacks would you eat?

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Starting point is 00:02:09 someone with their adrenal fatigue, aka HPA access dysfunction, to stay active and keep exercising without further damaging their metabolism? When you're in that state, your body's exhausted, or stress hormones all over the place, how do you work out without making that worse? Change your mindset. The next question was, on our recent podcast with Lane Norton,

Starting point is 00:02:30 we talked about anabolic fasting and we all kinda poo-pooed it, said it was a little bit of a BS. We discuss our interpretation of fasting, how it might or might not work for muscle growth and fat loss. I'd also like to say something to Dr. Lane Norton. Try fasting, you fucking hardhead. You'll love it, I promise.

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Starting point is 00:04:10 Teacher time! That's been good. That was like an interpretation. That was like an Adam and Yoda had a baby. I like it. Alright, we had 11 reviews this year. This is one of the worst we've ever had. I might need to give people instructions. It's time to tell people how to do it. All right, we had 11 reviews this past week. That's one of the worst we've ever had.

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Starting point is 00:05:19 So all of you are winners, and the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Want to get a put on that party dress. Buy me a dance, buy me a song. That's so good. Right. I was like, very country twang.

Starting point is 00:05:36 I think I can do a little country twang. Do you guys remember William Hung? Yeah. From the, the, yes, American Idol. She banged. She banged. I think Adam has more potential than him because if you think about why William hung was so good, it's because he was so terrible. He's hung.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Your way worse. So I think, I'm not gonna make fun of your voice. Is that how he got famous? Yeah, he got an American Idol. And he was one of the, you know, the rejects or whatever they say, oh, you suck. Well, he sucked in such a good way. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:05 I heard that it was fun. So I heard when they're doing all the auditions, like, it's crazy, right? How many they do? I mean, people pull them out. They put, they pick the ones. Yeah, yeah, they, of course. So they intentionally pick like some really shitty ones

Starting point is 00:06:17 and then they, then they pick, I heard that they have like 10 or so that they all agree on like, like, these are like the 10 and then everybody else is like for the drama of the TV show. That's the thing. They must like really play into, I mean they must come in with their stories already.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Like they wrote it all down. Come on, they told the producer. Well, you see what they come walking in, you know, and they tell them or whatever. I have a question. Here's an interesting question because you know how if you pass the levels or whatever the judges get you to invite you back to the American Idol show or whatever, you have to sign a contract that whatever money

Starting point is 00:06:54 you make off of your music, they get a percentage, right? That's the way it is, right? I know. I wonder if they make everybody sign that, including the shitty people, you know what I'm saying? Like if you get anything in case, you know, they make money off of, because the thing is like your name and all that,

Starting point is 00:07:10 like whatever you do from then on out, like they're gonna have their hands in it. Because they're the ones that elevated you and gave you the platform. I wonder if we'll him hung actually. I guarantee you they took money from him. Wow, you think they fuck him like that? Yes, I don't think you get fucked.

Starting point is 00:07:24 I think it's a deal. It's like a record company, dude. Like they're giving you the platform to come into their system, but then you sign a contract and then they make all the money. Do you think Shark Tank does the same thing? Of course, sure. Of course. I don't think they do, actually.

Starting point is 00:07:38 I think if they pass on, they pass on. I was actually just reading this crazy article on Amazon, dude. And have you guys heard of the company, the Ring Security Company? No. Ring Security? Yeah, Ring Security. So they sound like the Lord of the Ring

Starting point is 00:07:51 played this on and you'll be fine. They just got acquired for $1 billion. What the fuck are they? So it's cool. It's like this doorbell ring security. So what it does, and it's around your entire house, all these sensors, and it's like real time. So it's a motion sensor, and as soon as someone's walking in front of the house with that,

Starting point is 00:08:08 it automatically populates onto your phone. Oh, so you can see it. So you can see it. Yeah, and then if like let's say all the sensors around the house it just all starts populating on your phone and you got real time you can view what's going on at your door right away. Oh, shit. Yeah, and the light comes on. It's a spotlight comes on right away and then boom the camera so it could be in the middle of the night. It'll light up and then go right to your phone and the light comes on. It's a spotlight comes on right away and then boom the camera So it could be in the middle of the night It'll light up and then go right to your phone and see this is dangerous. Yeah, that's very dangerous Because my house was burglarized years ago and in that state of mind right after you get burglarized I for sure if I had a tool like that would place it my house and

Starting point is 00:08:41 somehow Designed in a remote controlled booby trap. So then if I see somebody walk into a pit of sharks. Yeah, like I like I push a button and an axe falls on their face. Yeah, people, oh, sorry. You were trying to, you were trying to steal my small from the sky. What is this cartoon?

Starting point is 00:08:57 Yeah. It's an anvil. It's in the head. Yeah. Yeah. Their eyeballs is, whoa. Dude, oh, that was a kid. When I would watch cartoons and I'd see the anvil

Starting point is 00:09:06 I was always like what is that I had no idea until I finally saw one. Why do we put up with this murderous rage? You know like yeah, terrible. I thought that was great to murder They don't even like you know that shot that tank totally passed on that shit and the thing ends up selling they passed on Yeah, they passed on it. Wow. Yeah, they all they all. One guy made a move on it, but it was almost like, you know how like sometimes they throw like a disrespectful offer out there. I'll take 50% of your business plus. That's probably the asshole guy.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah, it was something like that, but I guess their second round of funding Richard Branson from Virgin Airlines, he hopped in on it and pushed it. But that was so the thing with that too is I think a lot of those guys that come on the show, they'll just invest in for good PR. It makes them look good, of course, in some of them. So there's all those factors, all those factors. Man, were you guys tired this weekend?

Starting point is 00:09:59 You guys do a lot? I was. I slept really hard. Night before last when we got back. But I wasn't as bad this time because we had a night where we went to bed. This out of all the trips that we've done so far, I would say for me personally,

Starting point is 00:10:12 this was one of the least exhausting ones. Yeah, see, I mean, because I caught Justin's cold, thanks Justin, hey, but you know, you had exhausted shooting. I didn't crept in my bed. I didn't do, I didn't know you were awake. I didn't dopt in my bed. I didn't do, I didn't know you were awake. I didn't do, I didn't do much this weekend. So, like shitty feeling.

Starting point is 00:10:29 And then yesterday I started getting the throat tickle. You know, and you start to get the back of your throat. So I started doing the elderberry. And you guys, did you guys, were you guys super active or just normal shit? I was not super active at all. I mean, we were working on the house. I got a great first real workout in.

Starting point is 00:10:45 I mean, it was this, yeah, this was the first. And I know everybody's listening is wanting to know, like, so I'm documenting it, so I'll post it on my InstaStory. Exactly. You're almost walking normal now, man. Almost. Yeah, you know, when I walk really slow,

Starting point is 00:10:59 I can walk without a limp, but as soon as I start to try and walk fast, it's that it's when I go in, hurts a little bit. Yeah, it hurts. Yeah, I was talking to Doug this morning, and I don't know if Doug minds if I share, because you know, we get back from those trips, even if we go to bed early and stuff, it's just, it's a lot of energy because we're either creating a new program or we're interviewing people or you know, you just have to be on all day, including up until you go to bed, because it's not like we all separate at the, you know, at five o'clock when it's time to go home.

Starting point is 00:11:28 We're all in the same house, and so we just work, work, work, and Doug arguably does probably the most work work. He's constantly, he's either editing or he's operating the controls or he's taking notes while we're throwing up. I mean, it looks like that. I didn't even know. I was like, where do you ever see Daniel this? It's either two nipples or it's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:55 But I talked to Doug and I'm like expecting like, oh yeah, I was so tired of like, yeah, I cleaned my whole house. I cleaned everything all weekend. So would you do like spring cleaning or something? Or is it because you just moved in? No, just moved in. So I still had boxes everywhere. Just scrub the hell out of everything.

Starting point is 00:12:10 Would you do it by yourself? Or you'd hire somebody? No, I had somebody come in, help me out, but I was helping around the house and putting things away. I got a question for you actually. Yeah. Have you been using the Thrive Market cleaning supplies?

Starting point is 00:12:23 Yeah, you know, I bought a bunch of stuff for my own place and I got a bunch of toilet bowl cleaners, some sprays, and things like that. I haven't, so I've tried some of their cleaners and in the past, this is why I'm asking you to pass. How they work without all that, I mean. Well, that's what I was gonna say. In the past, if I use a natural something,

Starting point is 00:12:39 you feel like it's weaker. It just doesn't work as good. You know what I mean? So I'm like, yeah, it's fucking made with lemon oil, but I now have a stained toilet. It doesn't take the varnish off of things. Yeah, did you notice in a different paint in the performance?

Starting point is 00:12:51 You know, as far as I can tell, it works just as well as any other commercial brand. Except it typically smells better and doesn't burn your eyeballs. Yeah, that's it. So the one, which one did I use? I use the Dr. Bronner's soap, which is actually, I don't know if you guys knew this,

Starting point is 00:13:05 it's like multi-purpose, and then I have a disinfectant spray or whatever. And no, it works just fine. So I use the one on the oven, and it cleaned it just as well. Yeah, honestly, a lot of these cleaners and things I hate using because they smell like they're killing you. Right.

Starting point is 00:13:22 So many chemicals. I feel like I'm getting cancer just using it. Dude, I just, so we did the episode with Dr. Molly Maloof, right? And I got several messages from people who enjoyed the episode or whatever, but the number one thing that people commented on was on her comment on Xeno Estrogen

Starting point is 00:13:37 or Indochran disruptors. Remember, she made that comment? Uh huh. And we've talked about this before on the show, but I think hers resonates so strong. I have an adorator, say it. That's right. You know, cause it's I think hers resonates so strong. I have a doctor say that. That's right. You know, it's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:13:47 Right, because she's a doctor. Me, people still trust us. I can't. It's on some areas, right? Don't they know we're actually some guys? We're so good. They say it's stuff about everything. But that's the one of the two places I think you'll be exposed

Starting point is 00:13:59 to the most amount of endocrine disruptors. So endocrine disruptors are endocrine disruptors. Am I saying it right now? Yeah, I don't know. Endocrine disruptors. So endocrine disruptors are endocrine disruptors. Am I saying it right now? Yeah, I don't know. Endocrine, who cares? Yeah. Is that these are chemicals that will bind to, however weakly they do, because they're not strong binders, but they do weakly bind to, or at least they have an affinity for,

Starting point is 00:14:21 receptors in your body that hormones attach to. And so what happens is your, these receptors express themselves as if you have more circulating estrogen or whatever in your system. Or it blocks those receptors. So now you get less of an effect because now your normal hormones can't attach those receptors.

Starting point is 00:14:38 And so you get all kinds of weird effects. And a lot of scientists are saying that this may be playing a role in why we're seeing, you know, Changes in kids, hormone, shit, well, man Of course the social levels have been dropping for a while now decades four years, 40 excuse me years And then with girls girls are going through puberty early earlier and earlier What are you saying are the biggest offenders? They're saying the biggest offenders or some people are saying well besides pollution Are it's pollution really that one of the biggest offenders.

Starting point is 00:15:06 Oh yeah. Now I read a study somewhere about like when you talk about like our small, is that what you're talking about when you say pollution like a small? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, brake dust and everything. Well, when you compare it to where it was like in the 80s, it's way better. Yeah, it's way better. It is better.

Starting point is 00:15:19 But it's still the... A lot of people don't know that and I think it's important to point that out that. We've made huge improvements. Because I know we get a lot of people that are freaking out about, oh my God, you're driving around a truck like that or you're doing, you know, that's what I'm gonna do. Yes, it's the Volkswagen.

Starting point is 00:15:31 It's like, yeah, right, right. They're all shit. But we're way better than what we were in the 80. Way better, things are cleaner for the most part and all that stuff. But the other ones are the products that you apply on your skin, your hair, in your mouth, or cleaning supplies.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Cleaning supplies are, they're regulated differently, and many of them, if you read them, they say, like, wear a mask, be in a well-ventilated area, and wear gloves. And I don't know very many people that put all those protective things on when they're using those products. So- They just don't want you to get high. It's all lose all your brazil. It's like when they give you the medication, you know, like, vicar in some of this, don't do it alcohol. You kidding me?

Starting point is 00:16:14 Come on. It's the best. That's the only way. But anyway, thanks Adam. We're not advocate. Always good at advice. But yeah, so using these natural products, which one of the things I like about Thrive Market is they have a huge selection,

Starting point is 00:16:27 like of cleaning products, skin products that are, you know, on the natural side, like, that makes a big impact considering you use these things all the fucking time, like every single day. There was a story I read about, and I forgot where I read it, but there was this boy, this, it was a blog, and this mom's son was getting a gynacomastia, and he was 12th.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Now gynacomastia is relatively common in boys as they go through puberty, but he wasn't showing any other signs of puberty, and she took him to the doctor and they're trying to figure out what's going on. It was getting kind of bad. So she changed his shampoo. She took away a shampoo and some of his other products and then the guy know, Kamasthia went away. That's her own personal account. So it's not a study or whatever, but it was pretty interesting. Well, speaking about all hormones stuff right now,

Starting point is 00:17:20 and we'll transition over to this pheraremone article that I read on this company called Pharemore. It's like PHE, RE, M-O-R, do you guys see this? No. So it's like 23 and me meets tender. What? Yes, so they're supposed to match you with like your DNA matchups saying that obviously they're, what do you think about that? Terrible.

Starting point is 00:17:40 Right? I think that's too. I think it's bullshit, right? It's blown up though right now. It's a big deal. There's a huge gimmick. There's I think it's bullshit right. Yeah. It's it's blown up though right now. It's a big it's a big deal There's a huge gimmick. There's a lot of hype a hype around it I don't think there's enough science to tell us however Let's say they could look at someone's DNA and say oh for sure you're gonna your DNA

Starting point is 00:17:58 Is going to match well with this person's DNA what you may find is a Strong physical this person's DNA, what you may find is a strong physical attraction, which might not be a good idea if everything else doesn't match. Right. No, I 100% this is exactly the way my brain started working. It's like, okay, so I could see all of a sudden we have this chemical attraction to the industry. Yeah, right?

Starting point is 00:18:18 But then, mentally because of our history and our past and our things that we're into and stuff like that, we're just not a match whatsoever. So it'll be really interesting to see how they think about how many people that's fucked over, right? Or you're super attracted to someone physically? Right. It's actually more common than you think. I think we were just talking about this this last weekend that a lot of people mistake, I think love for lust for love.

Starting point is 00:18:41 And so I could see that where you sort of pair people up because chemically they're supposed to be ideal for each other, but because of their history, their past, how they grew up in the relationships or their lack of relationships or their lack of communication, other factors that have, nothing that has more social difference in their

Starting point is 00:18:59 and how to be sophisticated. Is this, do they, like, I mean, are they going forward looking at like, like certain genetic predispositions to like certain diseases and everything? Yes, everything. So it's, it's 20 factoring that thing. Think about 23 and me and combine it with tender. They're just, it's just another way to another dating app basically.

Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah, it's another dating app, and I call bullshit myself as far as like the effectiveness of it. Yeah. Well, you're, you're, you're interesting though. Yeah, it's another dating app, and I call bullshit myself as far as like the effectiveness of it. Yeah, well, you're interesting though. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's taking off, huh? It's like not, it's not just the... Yeah, I would do it if I was single just for shits and get just to see what they... Yeah, what they produce, you know, what if they send a picture of a girl to you and you're like, you just get like a bunch of trolls.

Starting point is 00:19:41 You're like, ah, that's what my DNA matches my pool. Well, the thing that I wonder about those, if it does every all the other stuff, just like Tinder or any of those things match you up or dating sites, match you up off of, forget 23, if you just added 23 in me too, that I would think that that could help the situation, right? It may, but you're right, I agree with you

Starting point is 00:20:02 that it could also. Dude, here's a deal, like lust. And that kind of physical attraction, if agree with you that it could also. Dude, here's a deal, like lust, and that kind of physical attraction, if you've ever felt it, that's just overwhelming. I think it plays a role in a relationship but bonding, which lasts much longer, because how long is that last, right? That initial chemical high that you get from somebody

Starting point is 00:20:23 will only last so long at some point, like all drugs, your body adapts and acclimates and you know, they don't necessarily provide that same chemical feeling. Now it's bonding, right? In relationships, you have to have that bonding for a long-term relationship to succeed, and that's determined on a lot of shit, you know, like how you guys interact with each other

Starting point is 00:20:44 and communicate what you do for each other. It's only novel for so long. It is. So when I first, and I never experienced, like, and maybe you guys can share stories, I don't know if you guys ever experienced this, but I've never experienced a chemical, like, I don't know how else to explain it,

Starting point is 00:21:00 a chemical high, like I did when I first started dating my girlfriend, which is, you know, thinking back is the only way I would have ever dated her because remember I had just, like, gotten a divorce. I had just left my home and although we hadn't been happy for a number of years, I was in no way, shape, or form in any type of space to try to date. Yeah, you weren't even looking. Hell, no. all I wanted to do was work and take care of my kids. I did not want to think about being with anybody at all period. And I, you know, meet Jessica and we start hanging out and I'd never felt this before.

Starting point is 00:21:34 Like, I would smell her. Like, literally, like, I was enthralled by just everything. And it was overwhelming to the point where we wouldn't sleep. Like, it was, I don't remember thinking thinking we actually had conversations like this the first few months We were together. We're like we can't continue. There's no way I can keep doing this. I can't keep Going this way because I'm gonna exhaust myself. I'm gonna get sick. There's no way my body can keep doing this because it was such a powerful chemical reaction. It was literally like being on Drugs like being on an amazing drug

Starting point is 00:22:04 And but that also could cause you know you did fucking not sleep and not eat and all that other stuff. If you guys ever experienced something like that, where you're just like, probably not to your level because how many years were you married for again? 15. Yeah, that's like, what's, is it Chris Rock who does the whole stand up with the, no, it's Eddie Murphy does the cracker analogy, right? Where he talks about like a Salteen cracker. You were probably starving for such a long time for that. And then you got it. It was like the fucking Salteen crackers, the best goddamn cracker I've ever had in my life. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:22:36 I don't think, I listen to it. It sounds a lot like, remember Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thornton were like, you know, little vials of blood around their neck and everything. They got like, really crazy with it, you know? Well, I mean, how was it like when you first fell in love with your wife? Wasn't it? Oh, yeah. No, it was silly, right? It was, well, it was one of those things

Starting point is 00:22:53 where we just like found ourselves hanging out like every single minute and it was like, whoa, I need to like, you know, go do something over here, you know? And it was just, we just, we couldn't like, not hang out. Yeah, it was crazy. See, Katrina, Katrina's been the first girl that I had a different type of an attraction

Starting point is 00:23:09 that I had never felt before. And I can't say that it felt like what you're saying right now. There was more of this mental connection that I'd never had before with another human being, much less of female. So that for me was like the, and that's where I wonder things like this, like how much of the pheromones, the smells,

Starting point is 00:23:25 the things like that are that poor. I think those go all the way back to primal instincts for us, but I think that we're so civilized now that there's so many other factors that matter if all we did was fuck each other, eat and kill. Like, and then I think that would be the most important. Here's the thing, like, I've definitely been lustful, you know, for people for sure, but I didn't, it wasn't like I wanted to sleep with Jessica. I did it.

Starting point is 00:23:49 Honestly, God, I just wanted to kiss her, which is very strange, because I'm in a situation where, oh shit, I'm free, I'm single. If anything, I'll just randomly sleep with someone was my mentality. I didn't even, I just wanted to make out with her, which was very, very strange, very strange feeling. I never thought it was magnetic. But I think what it highlights is, it's way more complex than one thing.

Starting point is 00:24:10 Way more complex. Like, my grandparents basically, especially in those times in Sicily, like you don't date at all. You're not allowed to, especially if you're a girl. What you do is you, your family's meet and you say, I wanna marry your daughter and then the parents are like, all right, that's cool. And then they schedule the fucking wedding. And then you, you, you, you, you, you might go for walks

Starting point is 00:24:32 with the whole family next to you. You have no time alone. And then you get married. And I, my grandparents have this very strong, you know, bond as a result. And I know other family, you know, there's other people in my family, you know, older generation like that. So I think it's super complicated. Oh, it's way more, I remember my high school sweetheart, like just being infatuated with her smell. Like I like the way she smelled first thing in the morning. Like an animal. Yeah, like an animal.

Starting point is 00:24:55 No, literally, like I remember that feeling, but we couldn't have been more wrong for each other. Yeah. And a lot of it had to do with how she was raised and how I was raised. And we just did not, but we stayed together. It was the only relationship where I was often on like this with a girl. I dated for two years solid and then for the next four of the six.

Starting point is 00:25:15 It was purely chemical. Yeah, it was like, oh, not with each other. It couldn't resist each other. Get back together. They're not off. And it was like, we kept getting back together because of that probably that primal instinct of there Definitely was this chemical bond between the two of us, but then everything else didn't it? It's got to go further than that. Yeah, it has to it has to or I'll see it doesn't I would say that the chemical bond the that chemical Attraction as in throwing and fun as a strong for sure in the beginning. Yeah, and as as a dicting is it is because it can be a Dicting it's funny you you can you read articles on this where people say they're addicted to that feeling so that's all they ever chase

Starting point is 00:25:48 But I would I would even venture to say that that plays the smaller much smaller role I do now because we're not animals. I don't think we're this is where I disagree that we're like this We're these still these fucking baboons running around like we're so much more civilized But think about that like if that's your belief that we evolved from that Well, then if you go all the way back then like then that would be totally normal We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. We're so much more civilized in that. are ovulating, they desire or attracted to men with more outward signs of testosterone. I remember when you shared that said,

Starting point is 00:26:28 this is a very fascinating. Versus when they're not ovulating, when they desire men with less signs of testosterone and scientists theorize that it's because they'll hire signs of testosterone, strong genes, lower signs of testosterone, probably gonna stick around. So it's like, get pregnant, not find the day the real reason why like all these men now are such bitches are because of all the What do you call it birth control women are selected control women are not selecting high testosterone

Starting point is 00:26:58 That's it. You know, I I speculated on that a while ago the other thing might be that because testosterone levels I speculated on that a while ago, the other thing might be that, because testosterone levels can fluctuate depending on your circumstances quite a fucking bit, including your thoughts and including your company. I think it's like if men are around a lot of other men and less women, I think testosterone levels tend to go up in some of them. I'm not quite sure what it was, but I know that they're quite flexible. It could very well be just that high signs of high testosterone are just not desirable. And so men are kind of evolving to be more desirable.

Starting point is 00:27:30 They're kind of molding into that sort of loving guy that's really soft. Well, women play a major role in the hierarchy ladders of society because they're the biggest selectors of mates. It's not men. Men aren't necessarily driving who they're the biggest selectors of mates. It's not men. Men aren't necessarily driving who they're selecting as much as women are, women are much more picky.

Starting point is 00:27:51 Dude, speaking of women, do you know that there's a direct correlation with women and the height of their high heels with our economy? With our economy? Yeah, what was that? What? Yeah, they've been doing, yeah, they've read this study

Starting point is 00:28:03 but they've been doing on the height of high heels and the worst our economy is, the higher the average high heel is. And it peaked in like 2000. That makes sense. When we had the crash, 2009, it peaked that the average high heel was like seven inches high or something.

Starting point is 00:28:18 That makes sense. And we're all the way down now to like two inches. And so like, and the theory is that, it makes them feel good more pal, and during times of when it's down and bad, I heels have actually increased in sales. So, and then right now where we're at, like it's down to the average of like two inches,

Starting point is 00:28:36 and then the sneaker sales for women are up to like 37, 40%. How bizarre. Isn't that funny? Well, I know that along those lines, I know men, when they're stressed out, are more attracted to women with more curve or higher body fat, and when they're less stressed out, are more attracted towards thinner women. And the theory behind that is if you're in a state of stress, we're back up with you. So if we're stressed out, we're attracted to what?

Starting point is 00:29:04 Thicker. Thicker woman. And then when we're not stressed out, we're less stressed out. We're be back to that with you. So, if we're stressed out, we're attracted to what? Thicker woman. And then we're not stressed out. Well, we're less stressed out. We're attracted to women. Funny, I would think it'd be the other way around. Because if I'm stressed out, I see like a big girl, I think I got to feed her, you know, it's a lot of her stuff. Like, so that would stress me out more.

Starting point is 00:29:15 I'm just like, I see like a real seeing an angry, like, I'm known with the bank. Yeah. So, like, if I'm broken, things are tied. I'm like, I got to find me like a little 97 pounder, you know what I'm saying? They want salads all day. This is cheaper. No, it's meat. It's hot, things are tied. I'm like, I gotta find me like a little 97 pounder, you know what I'm saying? That's what salads all day. This is cheaper. No, it's because of ramen.

Starting point is 00:29:29 No, they think it's because if you're a man and you're stressed out, your body is feeling like, oh, you know, food might be scarce, it might be harder to take care of people. So a woman that has more body fat is probably gonna survive longer with less food. So not what you were actually the opposite But along the lines of what I was thinking. Go to a big girl me like listen. I don't got much money

Starting point is 00:29:50 But it doesn't matter. You don't need to eat you got lots of storage on your body so we're just gonna Through that dude dude. So this this weekend I got to share this before I forget so my sister had an incredible I got to share this before I forget. So my sister had an incredible, there's such an incredible process with her kids. I got to share this on the show. So my sister has now three kids, right? Boy girl and then a new,

Starting point is 00:30:14 what age group? Five months old. Okay, five months. Yeah, so her oldest, her son is, I wanna say seven, her daughter is five, maybe her six, and then her youngest now is five months. And her two oldest kids, both severe food allergies, like severe, multiple severe food allergies. Already. Now her husband is got autoimmune issues, had asthma, terrible as a kid, you know, had some food allergies as a kid. My sister has some symptoms of autoimmune issues,

Starting point is 00:30:47 but so combine those two, then you have her kids who, and on her husband's side, their food allergies, there's a genetic component for sure. My nephew, her oldest, severely, severely, like anaphylactic type allergy to all tree nuts to the point where cross contamination could be deadly to I believe eggs to fish dairy

Starting point is 00:31:13 I think that's all of them so severe food allergies multiple and then her daughter my niece I think has two or three which are really really bad and her and her son also has asthma So my poor sister is like, and my sister, my sister Paula, shout out to her, one of my heroes, for sure, in life. She's my younger sister, but she's one of the strongest people I've ever met. And part of why I think she's so strong,

Starting point is 00:31:36 she's had to deal with all these different types of challenges. And the way she deals with these challenges, is she deals with them head on. It doesn't mean she's not stressed out or whatever But she fucking tackles them. She does research. She talks to doctors. She talks to me And she she really tries to distill the right information now Early on with her son and her daughter the information was communicated to her was avoid

Starting point is 00:31:59 At all costs avoid common food and tall food allergies for your kids up until they reach a certain age because we don't want them to develop a food allergy. And that's what doctors have been saying for a while. Like don't feed your kid nuts until they're like two or three or something like that. Don't feed your kid some of these things for a while because they think that that's how the allergies develop

Starting point is 00:32:19 and all that other stuff. And they didn't say anything about probiotics or gut health or what. Is that because their gut is so sensitive at that young of an age? That was just, that was memorable or what? Well, that was just the prevailing theory. That was the theory. That was the advice that we were getting.

Starting point is 00:32:35 Now, studies were coming back from other countries where, for example, in Ethiopia, a common food that you give your child is this cracker that's made out of nuts. And they give it to kids at like four months old. And of all the countries, and I think it's Ethiopia, I hope it's the right country that I'm saying. I know it's a country, but I think it's Ethiopia, where nut allergies are non-existent. Non-existent? Like almost non-existent.

Starting point is 00:33:01 And they compare it to other countries in the region and other countries and they find that oh shit and we also have the clean environment hypothesis where you know Scientists have been saying the environment is too clean kids are are Like we're cleaning their hands too much. We're keeping everything too sterile There's C-section births, so they're not exposed to the

Starting point is 00:33:21 We're keeping everything too sterile. There's C-section births, so they're not exposed to the microbiome of the vaginal canal. We're giving all these antibiotics, and that's what's causing, that's playing a major role in all these autoimmune issues. And this seems to be the case because when you look at studies of kids who grow up on farms or kids who have pets, their rate of allergies and autoimmune issues is much lower.

Starting point is 00:33:43 So if you have a pet or two in the home, it reduces the risk of your kids, significantly of having autoimmune issues. If you're in a farm, also, so if you don't push... If you don't push your kid in the dirt, at least once a week, you're not a good parent. So here's what my sister did with her youngest, who's just five months old now.

Starting point is 00:34:01 She took probiotics while she was pregnant. By the way, this is not, I'm not making this recommendation. You have to do your own research because this was all experimental. She took probiotics while she was pregnant. She had a normal birth and when he was born, she instructed the doctor to not wash him off right away,

Starting point is 00:34:18 to put him on her chest and for her to hold him with after birth and whatever for I think an hour or so afterwards. And then they took him and they washed him. She also gave him these infant probiotics. And so that's what she'd been doing, right? What's that chemical where they bond? Oxidose and that. Yeah, yeah, that's in the release after breast milk.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Right. So she did all that. And I think she did a natural birth which I think natural birth May play a role just for bonding and a lot of stuff, but anyway She had the baby and she's freaked out because I mean when she had her oldest my nephew When he was I don't remember how old he was two or or something. He had something with nuts in it. And he had such a terrible reaction. He became, he started appearing lethargic and then was almost non-responsive.

Starting point is 00:35:13 And she had to like, he, she fucking had to like give him emergency, like, Benadrol. She's like, she's like, I thought I was losing my son. So it gave her terrible PTSD as a result with both of her kids. She's super freaked out now with her youngest. And the doctor, check out what the doctor told her because of all this new information. This is over the course of, this is the difference between five years

Starting point is 00:35:33 of the information they're telling some parents now. They told my sister, your son is five months old. We think it's a good idea now to give him some peanut butter. And my sister's like, what? Like this is, you guys told me to not do this, and they're like, no, and they're sharing the research with her, and they're like, look, it's new information, it's new research, but some of the evidence is showing

Starting point is 00:35:54 that this may be the way to avoid some of these food allergies is by giving them to your child at young ages to see how to have their bodies develop or not view them as these foreign invaders type of deal. So over the weekend, she took her five month old and she's so scared, she had my aunt over there. And she followed the protocol. I remember what it was, it was like,

Starting point is 00:36:15 give them a little bit of peanut butter and water, wait 20 minutes, give them a little bit more, wait another 20 minutes and whatever. She was crying, she was so terrified. Oh man. I mean, if she did that with her son now, he'd die, like even with an epic shot. Yeah, it did.

Starting point is 00:36:27 He might die. That's kind of scary for her. That's scary for her. No reaction. He had no reaction at all. And in this, the probability that her third child would have all kinds of food allergies, very high, right? No reaction whatsoever.

Starting point is 00:36:40 He also has a little bit of eczema, which all of her kids have eczema, but he has the least amount of Exima. He sleeps the best and she thinks it's all of those things that she did, but how fascinating, right? That now the doctors are saying to start introducing these things, and again, check with your doctor, do not take what I'm saying as advice for your own kid,

Starting point is 00:37:02 do your own research, but how crazy is that that? It's because it's the fucking opposite. I remember she was like, oh, I can't give my kids this that and the other because the doctor said, it's a bad idea until they're like two years old. It's just like a conventional hospital, nothing like, this is her own, yeah, no, it's a doctor. Those are your private doctor.

Starting point is 00:37:18 Yeah, it's her doctor. But how crazy is that? And so I'm reading this article on this that these, they're now saying like it's probably that's probably the main thing or at least that's what the evidence is showing is that this this hyper clean. So what they're saying in the article I read it said children need microbes not antibiotics. And so they're saying things like, yeah, definitely wash your hands, we go to hospital and if you're around sick people

Starting point is 00:37:47 and stuff like that, but let your kids play in the dirt a little bit. Like don't, like- She says all this stuff inherently. Like I, like I, you kind of know, like it's okay, it's okay that they get dirty. We've done this since we were kids. Like why is it any different?

Starting point is 00:38:01 Like why not immerse yourself in it and let your body kind of respond accordingly? Same thing with like, you know, when they have a fever, like kind of let them give them a little bit of a chance to fight it until it gets to a point where yeah, obviously it's too high, we want to bring it down, but give the body a chance to really fight and produce, you know, antibodies and whatnot.

Starting point is 00:38:21 Yeah, it's interesting, right? Because hygiene and germ theory saved countless lives. I don't know, a billion worldwide. A billion's alive. Now we're leaning so hard on it. Right, like the fact, like when we discovered germs and discovered that you got killing them, prevents infection, all these different things,

Starting point is 00:38:40 like it saved billions of lives. But now we're like, are all out of salt on them has caused potentially some some terrible side effects. So, so I think they're recommending like in the in the article they're like, you know, not everybody can become a farmer, right? Let your kids play outside, which kids don't play outside anymore.

Starting point is 00:38:59 Well, I'm just surprised like you mentioned, this is from a physician that it's not like a functional medicine practitioner eating. This is like a regular doctor. Yep. Yep. He's trying to cool this. And it's new information. And because my sister has two kids who already have severe food allergies, she's like a candidate for this new information. So I don't know if they're, I don't think they're communicating it to everybody. Okay. I think they're like specific people. Let's try this out or whatever

Starting point is 00:39:21 because it's still somewhat experimental. Well, dude like think about what could go wrong Yeah, you know what I mean? I don't know if you have you guys ever been around somebody Yeah, I don't want anaphylactic shot. Have you had to have yeah had had to apply the epi pen this scary shit It's fucking frightening. I have not as I get seen on a pulp fiction You just stab it in their heart. No, no, no You just stab it in their heart. No, no, no, you just put it in your head. You remember that? Like through that Pulp bitch joke out.

Starting point is 00:39:45 Neither one of you fucking got it. You slowed this morning or what? You don't remember that part or what? I do, and you just went in right into that. It's full of sticks to fucking like six inch blade into it. No, it's a mistake classic. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:58 But anyway. Hey, you're looking pretty snazzy over there, dude. I like this. Oh, you like this? Yeah, you've been wearing that a lot. You like it, huh? I do. I got a lot of compliments on this weekend, actually, from people. Really? I just ordered a whole fucktana stuff for them.

Starting point is 00:40:12 They have, so it sounds wearing the V-O-A, the company that we just recently interviewed the CEO and we're working with right now. And this brand is dope, dude. I mean, the material looks really good. Well, the material is super top-notch, it's, you know, as good or better than like Louis Lemons, so it's quality. Oh, no, it's really, and the style, the material looks really good. Well, the material is super top notch. It's, you know, as good or better than like Louis Lemmon. So it's quality. Oh, no, it's really, and the style, the fit, everything's cool. I got online last night and they have like three,

Starting point is 00:40:34 four different styles of zip up hoodies and then regular pullover hoodies that are like the one you're wearing right now. And order a couple of those and they have different styles of pants too. So if you like the more like fit real, real fitted and tapered look or you want just like a loose fit. I love their shorts too, man. I mean, I'll rock those all weekend when I was working out. And it's just the fit and the lining on the inside feels really good.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Like you don't forget a lot of shorts that have like really good lining that like, you know, makes it fit. Well, I was always a fan of like Lulu and stuff like that, but it just was not geared towards men. A lot of the selection for me. I feel like it's an after-law to. It is. That's how I feel. I feel like they got so big. It's like, hey, we got enough. We have enough of a market place.

Starting point is 00:41:15 Yeah, these women want to buy stuff for their boyfriend. Right, right. So they just have like this little section for. Well, that highlights the, I feel like it highlights the direction. I'm not a fashion guy by any sense of the imagination. However, I'm a fitness guy and what I've noticed

Starting point is 00:41:28 throughout the last probably 10 years is that workout clothes have slowly become normal everyday clothes. And it started with Lulu. They've come fashionable. Yeah, Lulu 11% right? We're women now, we're workout clothes to fucking go out and hang out and it's not a big deal.

Starting point is 00:41:43 It makes no sense because he wants to go change all the time. You know, it's like I just want to wear some clothes, go to the gym, you know, get some lunch, whatever. And I feel it all like back to back. I just don't think, I don't even think people are wearing to workout half the time. They're just wearing, you know, just go shopping. Now I would argue that 80% of Lululemon and Viori wearers are probably just walking around. I mean, that's what's cool about it Is that it's fashionable now. It's in style. You can get away with some jogger sweats and some nice kicks and and look like you're fitted

Starting point is 00:42:12 I go everywhere like that's what I'm saying So it only makes sense that it started with the with all the most markets right start with women and then yeah Now now now you have them going. Oh shit men want to wear wear work out clothes too all the time But also not look like They're fucking unemployed, you know what I mean? Walk around with sweats before during the day people like you don't have a job. Yeah, you know what I mean? But you're so money buddy, exactly This quaz brought to you by Organify

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Starting point is 00:43:12 This is a tough one because this is a habit of mine that I've been working on for quite some time. I do have this bad habit of eating good and plain. No, no. In fact, I've been craving those. I haven't had those in a long time. I asked for Robert was guessing. Robert took me up with some, he brought me some fucking weird chocolate bar. It's like, Robert goes at Robert Overs' with us this last weekend. He goes to the, it goes to like 7-Eleven or some shit down the store. And he's just like to pick up his fucking Copenhagen.

Starting point is 00:43:41 And he's like, Hey, do you guys want anything? I'm like, you know what? We've already been smoking weed hanging out already. So I was like in that mood. And I was like, hey, do you guys want anything? I'm like, you know what, we'd already been smoking weed hanging out already, so I was like in that mood. And I was like, hey, you know what? Give me a box of good and plenty's if you see them there. Is there hard to find, rarely ever, you find them anymore. He gets you like a protein bar or something.

Starting point is 00:43:54 Yeah, no, it wasn't even that. It was like some fucking chocolate wafer weird bar. Like, I don't want you to mccollit. You get kind of like that, you know what I'm saying? You can feel good and plenty with like, I knew it was something weird. Something like that. Can I just say real quick?

Starting point is 00:44:07 He's, okay, he's six foot eight, three hundred and I don't know, seventy five, eighty pounds. He's a fucking giant. He doesn't eat that much. No, you ate him. That is weird. It was strange. Well, I just, it just confirms what Ben Pagolski said to you

Starting point is 00:44:18 when he corrected you, when you made the statement of, you know, people, these bodybuilders that are there. They have the genetics to be able to eat so much food. Yeah, they have the genetics to digest it. And Ben was like, no, it's actually quite the opposite is what it is, is that they have the ability to eat less and still, and still maintain. And obviously, Robert is, he's supposed to be a big dude.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Right. A good fucking massive giant. So he's not forcing it. I was expecting we were going to wheel like a cart of the dude. Well, dude, you heard him say he's, he, right now, he is at his high school weight What fucking crazy? Well, you see the size of the guys. That's right look at the size of his head He was bouncing people at like 16. Yeah, he's just a giant. He's human beings

Starting point is 00:44:54 But that being said, this is something that I I still struggle with it's a habit of mine I like to come home Mm-hmm turn on a basketball game put dinner down in front of us and eat. And what I catch myself doing is, and it's obvious, right? We talk about this all the time about how distracted we are by all these things is you start to mindless eat. You know, and so I've been trying to like start to incorporate practices like this where I start portioning my food out smaller, and then I eat it and then I kind of wait. And it's like, if I'm still hungry after 15, 20 minutes, then I can go back and have more,

Starting point is 00:45:26 but just not piling on a plate, sitting in front of the TV and then going to town, I think this is the, and this is what people do with popcorn and candy and snacks and crackers and chips is like, oh, the candy is a big one. I remember, so I take my kid sometimes, I like to wait out all the time. I'm like, do I get candy this time?

Starting point is 00:45:45 Like sometimes they want like, you know, some Reese's Pieces or something to go with the movies that association thing. And it had been like, I wait out based off of like, kid the day before, did they have any kind of treat or they have like a soda or whatever, you know? And so like, even this weekend, I was like, okay, we're gonna watch a movie,

Starting point is 00:46:05 and I was like, just, I was conflicted because I had already taken them, you know, the day before for ice cream, and that was kind of the treat thing that I did because my wife's works, you know, this week, so, so I just decided, you know what, this time, no, I'm gonna get a little bit creative and I'm gonna do something a little bit different,

Starting point is 00:46:22 and so I decided, I looked on Organifies website and they had like a link for making these popsicles with the green juice. What? Yeah, so I just like filled up a lot of- I thought it was good because you got like a minty flavor. Is it just pure green juice frozen? You can sit man.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Is it good? No, nothing added to it, it's good. Did they like it? Yeah, they liked it actually, which I was like, you know, I was like, what a great idea. Well, you know what I I've blended it on ice before and it's really good So it's kind of like the same thing I didn't even think about what a great easy He just yeah, he just freeze it He put it in the cube kind of tray and then put the sticks in I bet you I bet you the orange juice or the yeah

Starting point is 00:46:58 The orange gold the gold would be really good. I'm proud of you batter I should have done that because that has more of kind of a fruity kind of fruity taste to it I bet that would be really good. That is really smart. But I'm gonna do that. It's like, you know, because like the candy thing, I get, it just always happens when you're watching a movie. Like you want something.

Starting point is 00:47:15 I mean, you never ask yourself, experience. You ever ask yourself why? You've trained yourself. That's totally, that's one hundred percent. It's one hundred percent association you, that's been made for you by manufacturers. This is why I you know and I'm not recommending this as a strategy, but this has been working for me is that because I've already created this habit of where we eat in front of the TV a lot is

Starting point is 00:47:37 that I will portion out my plate or Katrina does and it's a very modest serving. And then then we're sitting down we're watching like the game. And then we're sitting down, we're watching the game. And what's cool is that when the plates finished, and I normally could definitely eat a lot more than that, I'm fine, I don't wanna get back up, go to the kitchen, make a play, I'm into the game or the show,

Starting point is 00:47:56 and so then that's it, you know what I'm saying? I'll eat that and then I'm fine. Where if I bring something that's a quote unquote snack to in front of the TV, like, oh, that's dangerous as fuck. You fucked. I'll say this very clearly. The worst, one of the worst things you could do, or one of the worst ways you can eat

Starting point is 00:48:14 is in front of a TV computer, iPad, or phone. One of the worst things you could do, because you are both making or reinforcing a connection you have with entertainment and eating, which will forever make it difficult for you to enjoy entertainment without food. And the second more important thing is, if you want to learn how to ignore your body's signals, distract yourself while you eat. I mean, while you're eating is one of the best times to connect to your food and your

Starting point is 00:48:44 body, to connect at least the way that food affects your body and to connect your emotional state with your food. And if you want to completely throw that out the window, we'll just eat food while you're watching something. First off, study striving. Or driving, yeah. Anytime you're distracted, you know, studies will show pretty conclusively

Starting point is 00:49:02 that eating it while distracted will increase the amount of food that you eat. You're less connected to your body. You're not paying attention to your body's signals. You're not really looking at what you're doing. It's very mindless. I have rarely in my entire life sat down in a quiet room without any distractions and eat an entire family-sized bag of potato chips. I've done that countless times in front of a TV as a kid. Countless. I mean, imagine this. Imagine how hard it would be to sit down.

Starting point is 00:49:29 Maybe not so hard for some people, but think about this. You're alone, you're just chilling, and you're not distracted, and you're just gonna sit there and eat a whole bag of chips. Much more difficult than if you're watching something on TV for an hour or two hours. 100%.

Starting point is 00:49:41 It is. I think the real answer is if you're a parent and you're asking this question, I think the strategy would be, you know, the fact that like we all crave that is because we had created bad habits really on, I would be striving to break that habit with my, with my children if I had kids.

Starting point is 00:49:57 I just don't know. Because I would, because I know it's just, oh yeah, right, I would. I don't let my kids do it when I have my kids. I'm much better strategy would be, let's all have a family dinner together. Let's eat at the dinner table and then let's go then we'll watch a movie.

Starting point is 00:50:07 That's it. What I tell my kids is and rarely I shouldn't say never I say rarely because sometimes we'll do it together because it's fun of course and I don't I'm not a you know I don't want to be a killjoy. But most of the time if my kids are like oh you know I want to eat something I'm hungry and they're watching TV. I'll say, okay, turn the TV off and come sit at the table and we're bringing some food. Nine at a 10 times, they're like, and never mind, I don't want it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:50:30 So it's like, you weren't really fucking hungry. You were just watching TV and wanted to distract yourself while you ate something. Right. And I know, I felt the same thing. So I'd say one of the worst things you could do for yourself with nutrition for you and your family is to make that a habit, you know, because I know, listen, there's family. So when I was a kid, we would do this sometimes, we would eat dinner while we're, or not dinner,

Starting point is 00:50:54 excuse me, we would watch TV while snacking. But when we were eating dinner, my dad was like, no, the TV is off. I know family is the opposite. A lot of families, they do not do any meal without TV at all, right? And so you know this is you're creating these habits in your kids and they're gonna grow up and do the same thing with their kids. Turn everything off. If we're gonna eat we're just gonna sit here and eat and if you want to talk or you want to whatever, then we talk to the people around us because it creates better habits and better relationships with food than just being distracted. Next question is from Mitra Grace.

Starting point is 00:51:27 What is the best way for someone with adrenal fatigue to stay active and keep exercising without further damaging their metabolism or adrenal glands? So I'll tell you guys why I picked this question, not because I'm necessarily going to answer what this individual is saying, but because I wanna address the actual question itself and how challenging it is to deal with this kind of individual which is most people. So I'm not picking on you, Mitra Grace, this is how most people are and what they'll say is,

Starting point is 00:51:56 hey, I have X health issue, but I don't wanna lose my gains and I wanna get leaner and I wanna get fit. How do I do that? There's some panic there in that question? Yeah, like here's a deal if you truly are suffering from HPA access dysfunction Which is the more accurate way of saying adrenal fatigue? Then they'll then don't worry about your fitness and fat loss and whatever goals because those are those don't matter

Starting point is 00:52:21 They're inconsequential if you're Unhealthy you could pretty much fuck those off anyway. Get healthy first, because you have to be healthy before you can start focusing on those things. They'll have people, you know, tell me, I have all these hormone issues, and I've got terrible sleep, but I want to lose weight. And it's like, well, step one is get healthy,

Starting point is 00:52:40 and we're not even gonna look at weight loss until we can get healthy first, because if we focus on the weight loss, either while we're not even gonna look at weight loss until we can get healthy first because if we focus on the weight loss Either while we're focusing on your health or instead of your health, you're gonna end up in a worse situation. So my advice to you is to address your HPA access dysfunction primarily and forget about anything that has to do with function primarily and forget about anything that has to do with getting more fit or whatever. Now, as a side effect of addressing your health issue, you're probably going to be more fit

Starting point is 00:53:12 and you'll probably, you know, because all of this includes food and all that stuff, right? You're probably going to naturally get leaner anyway, but don't use that as your motivation because that's going to push you in the wrong direction. Well, I have some that too. I had got one of our long time forum members, Julie, shout out to her. When I first met her, this is what she was concerned that she was suffering from. I met her in an orange theory class. The first thing I said to her is, this is not an ideal place for you if this is potentially

Starting point is 00:53:40 what you're suffering from, which is why we see her do these major walks all the time. And so I would tell a client like this that's concerned about, you know, not putting on a bunch of bad weight while trying to get themself healthy and address this potential issue, is to focus on need. Is don't focus so much on intense exercise where you're trying to get a sweat and train really hard, strength, train, and walk a lot, you know, and walk a lot, you know what I'm saying? And walk a lot. Don't turn it into this. You got it. You got to pound it and you got to burn a ton of calories, like just move, move more throughout

Starting point is 00:54:12 your day and focus more on a strength training program where like you're running like a maps two to three times a week, like maps in a ball. To me, that would be the advice that I would give someone like this, but right, Salis right on with the, that should not be your, the way you look and all the, the goals that you have as far as training is concerned is less important to getting yourself healthy and fixing what's going on because otherwise no matter what you do in the gym right now is going to be short-lived because you're going to get back to. Well, this used to be me. I used to do that, you know,

Starting point is 00:54:42 I mean where I'd be like, oh shit, I'm getting sick. Can't miss my workout. Or, you know, my health isn't so good. You know, how am I going to keep my gains? Like, that's the most important thing. And because I wasn't focused primarily on the health aspect of it, I would just make myself worse every single time. You have to be healthy for shit to work,

Starting point is 00:55:02 or at least, at the absolute least the absolute least, you'll get away with it for a very short period of time. But yeah, you need to address your HPA access to this function, which means probably elimination diet, focusing on quality sleep, managing diet, eliminating foods that are gonna not make you feel so good and probably reducing a lot of your intense activity to give your body a chance. And, you know, the central nervous system, you know, I was, who was at Jason Phillips,

Starting point is 00:55:37 I brought this up and I agree with him. I think the central nervous system kind of has a little bit of a memory. So, you know, because I know I've worked with people like this where they're like, oh, I've been doing this for three months. I think it's time now to go super hard on my workouts. And then they'll go back to their hard workouts

Starting point is 00:55:52 and they're right back to where they were before in a very short time. Sometimes it takes a little bit of time. What do you think the common client looks like as far as like what they're doing currently to be in this situation? Like for me, for someone's in this thing. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:05 It's typically somebody who's got a lot of stress, whether it be at home and family or work, doesn't sleep very well, trains really fucking hard, and then a binging and purging type of mentality with food, like just either- Lots of coffee, not much sleep, push, push, push, and then on top of it, they're typically attracted to like spin classes and hit workouts and you know CrossFit, you know, I've had people with a lot of CrossFit.

Starting point is 00:56:30 So it's quite, it's funny when we had Dr. Molly Maloofon and she, she was talking about her client with the continual glucose monitor and how she told her, because they were trying to figure out why is your, your insulin levels doing all this crazy stuff even though your diet seems to be good And she's like, oh, I wonder if it's your relationship with your husband All right, and she let this woman left to go on vacation or something and during that period of time Her insulin levels were much more balanced and it was completely a result of her lifestyle of her Food, you know, I? How crazy is that?

Starting point is 00:57:05 That effect that are like that, so crazy. It's insane. Next up, John Wilmuth, on your recent podcast with Lane Norton, there was a brief mention of anabolic fasting. Lane and Adam both seemed like it was BS. Could you discuss your interpretation of how it might or might not work or be beneficial long-term? It's such a marketing fucking boy, dude.

Starting point is 00:57:29 To say, anabolic in a fast state is like an oxymoron. It doesn't even make sense. You're catabolic at that point. When you're not consumed, your body's either anabolic or catabolic, right? It's one or the other. It's not like either or, or it's not both or it's not anything else but that. So if so, and if you're not feeding the body, it's catabolic. And you're hoping that it's mostly burning body fat. But it's isn't a performance enhancement.

Starting point is 00:57:53 You know, this is just part of the health protocol. Yeah, as indirectly, yeah, after you're done with it, you get a lot of health performance benefits from it. But like it's a totally different mentality than, you know, the protein, you know, you're trying to consume to maintain gains. Like this is something that, you know, you're trying to reset, you know, your immune system, you're trying to get like a filtration system with the cells. Like you're doing a lot of benefit neurogenesis. There's so many things going on that as a result, but Yeah, the the adding you know like this reminds me. What was the protocols like the BCAs?

Starting point is 00:58:32 They're trying to add in so you don't lose like a stupid, you know muscle. Yeah, it's just a it's a I know who created this term Okay, who came up with it? I also know that they have a supplement company and I also know that they attach BCAAs to the the the protocol for fasting, which is all a crocus shit. It's no different than calling a supplement a fat burner. You know, there's no such thing as a supplement on the market that actually burns fat. They can get away with marketing that way because it's a hustle, right? Because it speeds up the metabolism, but it creates a more of a calorie burn because your heart rate starts racing because it affects the central nervous system. And so therefore I can say it's a fat burner,

Starting point is 00:59:08 but it doesn't really really. Yeah, they found a marketing angle where they could add a supplement into this already, you know, needs nothing protocol. Right. If you want to fucking fast and you want the best benefits of it, don't eat anything.

Starting point is 00:59:20 So here's the thing, like, so I'm gonna add a little piece of this. So I just completed another 72 hour fast. I do one every month now. And what I've noticed so far is my third one is the first one I did, the first one I did because I really wanted just to get my gut health just to a point where it's like fucking normal.

Starting point is 00:59:40 I'd managed it, it was good, but I just wanted it to get to a really, really good place. And over the course of the last three months, it's definitely gotten dramatically better to the point where I think if I keep doing this, I may have solved some of my issues. I've also noticed some other stuff though as well. I've noticed that about two or three days after the fast when I'm refeeding... Super sensitive. Energy goes through the roof.

Starting point is 01:00:05 Energy's through the roof. And I'm fucking lifting like I'm stronger, I feel better. And now, does this mean that fasting's anabolic? No, I think being healthy is anabolic. So indirectly, can utilizing fasting help you gain muscle? Well, does fasting improve insulin sensitivity? Yes. Does fasting improve markers of inflammation?

Starting point is 01:00:32 Yes. Does fasting improve? You've got health and nutrient absorption. Yes, does it help with protein efficiency of usage? Yes. So indirectly, can fasting be anabolic? I definitely think so. I definitely think so.

Starting point is 01:00:47 I wouldn't call it anabolic fasting though. I wouldn't do it for weight loss either. Fasting is not a diet tool to lose weight or gain muscle. And the reason why, now can it contribute to both of those? Yes. But if you're approaching fasting with the mentality that I'm doing this game muscle or I'm doing this to lose weight,

Starting point is 01:01:04 you are going to develop a worse relationship with food and it is going to become a perversion of the actual benefits of fasting to begin with and you're not going to eventually it's going to become a detriment to you because of that. Well, all the points that you made too, I could turn around and I could take the whole 30 program which I think is a really cool thing. It's very similar to a elimination diet

Starting point is 01:01:23 and I could call it the anabolic whole 30. I can call it the anabolic. Improves your health. Right, anything that improves your health arguably can become. Anabolic sleep can become anabolic. Yeah, anabolic breathing. But the fact that this one bothers me a little more than some of the bullshit that we have out there

Starting point is 01:01:39 just because it's scientifically wrong. Like when you're in a fasted state, like you're not actually anabolic at that time, you're technically catabolic. So to try and make it sound like you created something that hacked the fasting system, and the fasting protocol, that now it's anabolic because you've learned to do it

Starting point is 01:01:58 just the right amount, and then add BCA, that's a bunch of bullshit. Nothing you're adding at that point matter. Actually, adding amino acids while you fast is counter- It is counter, right? Productive, yes. Yeah, because one of the reasons why you're benefiting

Starting point is 01:02:12 from the fast as your body has no glycogen or protein. And so it rapidly accelerates cell autophagy. Now you feed your body a bunch of protein and carbohydrates. They're gonna break that down. You reduce that. So, yeah, and taking amino acids, it's just again, why they sell amino acids?

Starting point is 01:02:28 That's why. You know why they do this? Because you can't sell shit with fasting. No, I know. I know. You can't. Fasting is the absent-self. It's not marketable.

Starting point is 01:02:36 Yeah, there's nothing you can buy that, or at least there was nothing you can buy. Leave it to our industry though. We call it with the keto diet way back when. We call it with the fasting thing, same thing. Leave it to the industry. And I've looked up the antibiotic fasting diet. It's basically a carb cycling type diet and just carb cycling increase muscle math.

Starting point is 01:02:52 I mean anecdotally, some people say it does maybe through increasing insulin sensitivity. I look I'm noticing as a side effect of fasting because I'm getting healthier my workouts are just much better, but if you're super healthy already, is fasting, I mean, like I said, you improve your health, you're gonna build more muscle, you improve your health, it'll be easier to burn body fat. But again, to a certain point though, again, doing fasting for building muscle,

Starting point is 01:03:16 burning fat is not, no, no, I mean, you fast when you bulk for that, because you notice you're just healthier when you do it. And now what's the side effect of that? You probably have an easier time building muscle. But I do wanna say this, your health will lead to typically more muscle less body fat up to a certain point.

Starting point is 01:03:33 Up to a certain point more muscle less body fat is unhealthy. So that's another thing to keep in mind. Like if you wanna be fucking shredded, yeah, you're not gonna get it through optimal health. Optimal health will give you a little bit of a buffer, but at some point getting down to 5% body fat means you're going to become less healthy. At some point, you're going to have to go

Starting point is 01:03:51 against your body signals. At some point, you're going to have to take anabolic or do something crazy to gain more, like I weigh 100 and I'm generally around 190 pounds for my height, and I've determined that that is for me a healthy muscular weight Can I push my body to 200 to 210 with more muscle if I really push my body and make it a little bit unhealthy? Yeah in the short term that my health will fail and then I'll I'll end up losing it anyway not feeling good

Starting point is 01:04:18 So keep that in mind as well like health gives you this great Place to be and then from there, if you wanna get super shredded or push your body a little bit more, you can do so, but you develop this nice baseline of where you're gonna be. And for the most part, for most of your life, if you're really healthy, you're gonna look fucking awesome. So that's the benefit of fasting. It's not anabolic, it's not fat loss, it's health.

Starting point is 01:04:41 Next question is from Alice NASA, 32. How do I communicate to my boyfriend who is a very conservative alpha male that it's okay to be vulnerable? I love how you guys are able to talk about your insecurities and would love to get my boyfriend to open up like that. Get him us into my pump. I like Justin's input on this, because I think, uh, what? This is the hardest for you between the time. How to communicate to my boyfriend who is very conservative. How do you communicate to your boyfriend? I'm not very serious for that.

Starting point is 01:05:13 You know, it's like, it's, that all is on him. Like what he's willing to sort of, I don't know, like go through, like, if he's growth minded at all, you know know my angle with it has really been to really try to improve my communication with my partner and so you know to For me to start opening up. It's been take it's taking a lot of work Because I mean the it's not your nature. It's not and and every man that I've Sort of looked up to growing up, whether it's my dad or my grandpa, especially my grandpa,

Starting point is 01:05:52 has been very like Super Macho. My dad, not so much. He's a big softy, but like, that's the, I just gravitated towards like more of these like high-test, these high testosterone sports, coaches and guys that were very super macho about everything. But I think I started to soften up when I had kids obviously. I mean, that was just one of those things that just happened.

Starting point is 01:06:17 So I can't say, have a kid, you know, that'll solve it. Or I don't want to give that advice. But don't tell him, go up your back control. That'd be terrible. My pup told me, yeah. I don't know, I just think that just talking to him about certain topics that maybe are sensitive and just opening up that conversation. You're such a dick for dishing it off to Justin first on the phone. Well, you know, I want to know because you, look, it is,

Starting point is 01:06:46 be honest, I don't really know how to give advice. You and I don't have a tough time talking. Well, I'm gonna, I think we have a tough time not talking. So I was gonna ask Justin who, you know, has arguably grown, not even arguments, obvious, has grown the most in that category since we started the show. I think all of us have, but you and, you know, what would you say? You and I started out talking but you and, you know, what would you say?

Starting point is 01:07:05 So then Justin, what would you say is, what do you think is attributed to your ability in the last four to five years to become more vulnerable and share your insecurities and be okay with those things? Cause I absolutely agree with Sal and that fact. I think we all have. What do you think has been key factors for you

Starting point is 01:07:21 to been able to do that? I think, I think as going through the process, just seen the response. I've gotten as far as when I opened up and I talk about subjects that I'm uncomfortable with. There it is right there. So then I think that that's what she has to learn to do with him is that there's,

Starting point is 01:07:38 when you got to be able to recognize moments where he's being vulnerable and you got to make sure you can commend that behavior or make it be okay with that right and I think that saying that oh I want my alpha male to be more vulnerable and sharing securities well I would as a partner I would like look at the things that well what am I doing to promote that what am I doing how that like you saying like tell me or be more that's not helping that's not going to work right there's going to be moments where he shares things and this is where I like exercises.

Starting point is 01:08:07 Like reading together at nighttime it would create this dialogue. With Katrina and I were we would touch on topics that we just normally would not ask each other if we were just having normal conversation so the the reading thing was a game changer I think I referenced a. A little conversation starter game that I thought was really cool. It would have like a sit-ins on there and you know, it would require you guys to talk about something like that. This allows you to kind of become vulnerable. And then when that person shares something that's vulnerable or an insecurity, there's is making sure that you say something. You've gotten great feedback from the show. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:41 So that's where it helps for you. Like you say something that might have been something you were very vulnerable about, then also when you get the flood of DMs being like, oh my God, Justin. Oh, people actually appreciate that. Right. I think, yeah, it's different because, the operating system, like in the way that I used to talk, it was very short and like,

Starting point is 01:09:02 especially when you're around other guys, I think too. I think that he may still be hanging out with other guys that are super macho and like, you know, are doing things that like, you know, he's still sort of in that state of mind where it's like I got to, I got to like impress my friends and this and that and I don't want any of that, you know, vulnerability shit, you know, I don't want any of that vulnerability shit. I don't want any of that. That's what put out on blast. This is it, by the way, there's a reason for this.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Everybody says society, right? Oh, society makes it hard for, well yeah, but why? Why is society do that? Well, if you look at men and the bonds that men share, one of the things that we need to know about our other men is can we depend on you when shit gets hard? Now, that's not, we're not logically, consciously thinking that this is through evolution.

Starting point is 01:09:52 And all the evidence you need to prove that this is true is look how men treat each other versus the way women treat each other. When men see each other, good for, especially, then the closer you are, the worse this is by the way. It's not like you don't do the strangers, you just look to your buddies. and see each other, good for, especially then the closer you are, the worse this is by the way. It's not like you don't do the strangers, you just, to your buddies, you fuck with each other terribly.

Starting point is 01:10:09 Like the, the nicknames that your friends give you are really fucking hurtful. Right. And I mean, they're supposed to be like, I'm not gonna, you're building, you're building this just to show this with. I was reading this in, we were just discussing. We were talking about this when we were in Paseroope. Yeah, a lot because we just noticed that. Like, why do we fuck with each other so much? And my tiny name's, it's hilarious, right?

Starting point is 01:10:30 We appreciate it. Yeah, Luke, I had, so one time I went to my friends restaurant and it was a new restaurant. I hit just open and he's showing me around and he's introducing me to staff. And he goes, oh, this is John and this is Sarah, whatever, and then this is nine. And we're talking and I'm talking to everybody,

Starting point is 01:10:45 I'm like, nine, I'm like, are you German? Because you don't learn German, and I thought nine was like, I don't know. I know, I know, I know. And he's like, no. And he goes, yeah, I go, what do they call you nine? He lifts up his hands and he's missing a finger. And this is how guys give each other nicknames.

Starting point is 01:11:00 I'm not gonna give you a nickname on the shit that you're cool with. I'm gonna call you something that. You hit you on your socks, Bob. Yeah, if you're bald, the shit that you're cool with. I'm gonna call you something bad. You hit you on your socks. Yeah, if you're bald, your nickname is bald, if you're fat, you're fathead or whatever. And men do this to each other because we're literally

Starting point is 01:11:12 testing each other to see how we can handle difficult situations. Right, I wanna know if we're going to war, you're not a pussy, bro. If we're going to war, if I call you bald or small arms or small calves and you fucking start crying, I don't want you by my side. Exactly, I'm gonna go to battle.

Starting point is 01:11:24 Exactly, and so men test each other this way, small arms or small calves and you fucking start crying. I don't want you by my side. Exactly. I'm gonna go to battle. Exactly. And so men test each other this way, but the side effect of this is you then feel like you don't have the space to communicate to your friends when you're vulnerable. Now there's a difference between being vulnerable and whining. And so guys need to know the difference. If you're a whiner, nobody wants to hear a whiner. And that's if you're a guy or a girl.

Starting point is 01:11:44 Nobody wants to hear you whine about shit that you're not willing to make something happen or whatever, but opening up and being honest, this is how you communicate it to your boyfriend. I'll tell you what, if he thinks he's a tough guy and he wants to be like, hold it in, explain to him how much tougher he is doing the things that are difficult for him,

Starting point is 01:12:02 because it's true, because I had a little bit of this too when I was younger. Like, if you told me that talking and being open, you know, was more tough and I disagreed with you and you said, well, why don't you do it then? I'd have a light bulb that would go off and be like, well, I guess you're right.

Starting point is 01:12:18 Like, you're right. Like, if I'm really tough and resilient, I should be able to talk about these things. Because I'm too weak to talk about these things and that may actually get through to him to where that was my angle was just that I'm so uncomfortable with this that I wanted to address it. And so that was like the growth-minded part of it

Starting point is 01:12:37 is I think the angle that I lean the hardest on because I hate talking, like especially when it comes to really personal stuff that's going on with me. But with my partner, that's something that I've always really tried to work on specifically, not so much with other people and be open with that. But if he can start doing that just with you, I would definitely try that angle.

Starting point is 01:13:00 I would challenge her to dig here and ask questions because we may sound like or at least I may sound like on this super vulnerable guy who shares all of his curious which I do on the show a lot, but a lot of that's prompted by questions or Sal or Justin digging into me. I am not like that at home. I'm not at home. I am not. In fact, Katrina will tell you that I'm like an onion. She's been peeling me back for the last seven years. I am definitely not that person at all, but if you ask me, I'm like an onion, she's been peeling me back for the last seven years. I am definitely not that person at all. But if you ask me, I'm an open book.

Starting point is 01:13:27 So if you get into me and you say, what makes you feel that way, huh? Or why does that bother you? Or what was difficult about that? Or you start asking questions like that that challenge the way I think? I love to get into that. Let's talk about it. I'll tell you why that bothers me. And then I'll have a story normally to what leads up to that. And I'm totally fine with sharing it. Let's, let's, I'll tell you why that bothers me. And then I, I'll have a story normally to what leads up to that. And I'm totally fine with sharing. But to just like

Starting point is 01:13:48 Sal's note, like, I'm not just some pussy who's going around whining all day about how difficult life is. And I'm insecure about this. And I'm scared about that. And I don't fuck that. That ain't me at all. I'm nothing like that. But I am an open book of you. If you prior, you ask questions, I will share it. And I think that a lot of men may be like this. And so I think a lot of times partners just assume they've got this super alpha conservative melt to be honest with you. They're not asking right. Almost every alpha male I had are some of the most insecure or had the most vulnerable dudes

Starting point is 01:14:17 I've ever met. They got a lot going on. That's like a shell buried it. They're super alpha and they they present that way. And I see this in male and female situations where they present this ultra confident role. But then when you really dig deep inside, they're this soft little cuddly teddy bear, but you just got to be able to get into that.

Starting point is 01:14:35 And the other thing too is, you know, when you're having a difficult time, sometimes it's important to communicate it, not because you're whining, but just so that people have a little bit of context You know like when I'm when I was going through my divorce, I You know, I told you guys a couple times like hey listen, I'm having a really tough time right now Not because I need hugs and whatever, but because I want you guys to have a little context Just why I'm a fucking lump on a log or why I may not be Performing the way I can like man. I'm having a really, and you guys are, you know, man enough to understand that. And I do that with my girlfriend too.

Starting point is 01:15:07 So communication is very important. Winning nobody wants to hear whining. But you know, something you said earlier Adam, I think it's really important. When he does open up a little bit, even the smallest amount, show him how much you appreciate. You know what I mean? Then that'll encourage him.

Starting point is 01:15:23 Like, rather than becoming uncomfortable yourself, you know, when he gets uncomfortable and says something, you know, don't go, maybe not hug him and like, rub his head and make him feel like a baby because that might actually make him. No, you want to man to feel good compliment, compliment his process of thinking, his law, how smart he is, his logic, things like that. So when he says something that is vulnerable or opening up about insecurities, you know, compliment that. But you know, it feel like a baby or pussy about it where you hug them and hold them or something. No, no, you might want to, unless you want that, right?

Starting point is 01:15:50 But you might want to say something like, wow, I really admire how strong you are to be able to say that. Like that to a man is like, fuck yeah, I was strong for saying that shit. You go up to him and you pat him on his head and like, let me give you some more milk or whatever. He's probably never gonna open up again. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:06 Because of the blanket. Well, because, you know, because men, we like to feel like we're the ones that are taking care of things. Like, that's the way we, you know, we're either wired that way or because we're brought up that way. And if we feel like, you know, unless we're sick, then we like to be baby. That's a totally different story.

Starting point is 01:16:20 We're supposed to be like invincible. That's a totally different story. Just be glad you have a, you you have a guy with testosterone still. Yeah, it's most of them don't. And then the last, the last bit of advice is, you know, fuck this could not be the guy for you. I think that's the hardest thing to, the pill of swallow is if you're somebody who really enjoys in depth conversations and getting diving into vulnerability and securities, like,

Starting point is 01:16:43 man, there's some guys that are still dealing with so much stuff, like they have a long process ahead of them before they may ever become that person who is vulnerable and shares insecurities. And, you know, you might be at a time in your life that you want that type of communication right now and he potentially may not just be there. You know, a lot of things to think about.

Starting point is 01:17:01 A lot of women say they want really good communication, but a lot of women also like that kind of quiet mystery a little bit, and that's a very hystero type. But look, they do studies check this out, right? When there's pictures of women, if a woman is smiling or just has a normal stoic face, men will typically rate the smile as more attractive. It's the opposite for men. When women look at pictures of men

Starting point is 01:17:25 and they're smiling at the camera versus looking kind of stoic and like, hmm, women are more attracted to the guy who's not smiling. So there's definitely a level of, there's so many reasons why men tend to have issues with communication. And again, part of it is, we found that we're probably more attractive

Starting point is 01:17:43 if we're a little bit quiet sometimes too. So you have to communicate what you want to him in ways that are effective otherwise. He's not gonna know. But the word, the communication for you is not ask him to talk about his insecurities or be vulnerable. It's to ask those questions that potentially

Starting point is 01:17:58 will dig into that. You know what I'm saying? So if you know your man better than anybody else, like if he's got this protective shield that whenever childhood stories come up or talking about his mother or talking about past relationships or talking about his business relationship You know those areas that are probably difficult like dig into those areas You know how I used to get clients to open up sometimes is that would tell I would make up a story I tell belly breath. I know. Oh god. That's worked a couple times But no, I would I would make up a story. I'd tell belly breath. Oh god, that's worked a couple times.

Starting point is 01:18:25 But no, I would make up a story. So if I had a client that I suspected was having an issue with something, I would make up a story that I thought was very similar to what they were going through. Right, right, talking about somebody else, but you're really talking about that. Yeah, I see this.

Starting point is 01:18:38 Exactly, oh man. Yeah, let me tell you, I had this client who was going through this divorce, was very stressed out, and they just some of the things we did. Next thing you know, the person I'm talking to, he's like, well, that's what I'm going through right now, and I'm like, well, no shit, that's right. I thought, but I want to open up.

Starting point is 01:18:51 I want to open it up. Yeah, I want to open it up. I want to serve it up to you. Weird. So sometimes you can tell stories that maybe give him the opening to where he can kind of come in and be like, oh, you know what happened to me or whatever. I think it's a great strategy. Excellent.

Starting point is 01:19:04 Look, go to the app store on your phone and get the Mind Pump Media app. What you can do on that app is you can actually search for terms or topics, and it'll pull up all the episodes where we covered that particular topic, because we have almost 800 episodes. That's a lot of hours of talking and information, and if you want to get specific with what you're trying

Starting point is 01:19:25 to search for, the Mind Pump app, the Mind Pump Media app is specifically for that and it's free. You know, I don't listen to a ton of podcasts aside from our own. And I usually even, even when I listen to ours, I kind of fast forward. It's true, I always catch you in the car listening to us.

Starting point is 01:19:40 Yeah, and I thought, Oh, fucking library, you listen to us all the time. I listen to us. I probably listen to, I think I listen to us the least. I listen to other podcasts. Probably, I don't know, Justin Lee puts you in. I listen to quite a bit of podcasts. Yeah, you're always the one that turns me on.

Starting point is 01:19:52 Either one of bands or one of Joe Rogan's. You really like Joe Rogan's. He's a fire in the kid. Those are kind of like my goats used. The one that you told me to check out on Ben Greenfield's podcast. The one with what's his name? Brad Kerns. Brad Kerns.

Starting point is 01:20:04 Oh, the speed. The speed golfer guy. Kernes? Brad Kernes. Oh, the speed golfer guy? Speed golf, what an ad no existed. Yeah. But he's a keto athlete, which I always find fascinating because there's a lot of people that say you can't be a good athlete unless you don't eat carbohydrates. And then he talks about how he doubled his testosterone. Yeah, I'm like, 52 years old, bro.

Starting point is 01:20:20 52 years old, which is impressive. Kind of interesting. So it's a great episode. I highly recommend you go check it out. Of course, Ben Greenfield has got a great podcast. He's always been a good friend of ours. Very gracious when we first met him a couple of years ago, before we really grew.

Starting point is 01:20:34 A lot of people don't know this is what motivated me to finally steal the Juve Light from the studio and take it to my house. So this has become like a regimen for me, because you put the red light on the... Yeah, this is every morning and night. Ben was the first person I saw do that. I kind of introduced this to that when we were up in Spokane.

Starting point is 01:20:50 Right, but those that have been listening for a long time know what I'm going through right now, which is I've over six months now. I've had no test-offs, no synthetic test-ostrone, and my test-ostrone levels are in the floor. And the red light. So is the center of your sensor? Yeah, and the red light there.

Starting point is 01:21:05 And the red light there, it was all more hugs these days. Those, and I've had a ton of people inbox me that are above the age of 40 plus or also have been in my situation where they took synthetic testosterone maybe for years before and now they're off and they're trying to reboot testosterone levels naturally

Starting point is 01:21:22 which is what I'm going through. This is a great episode for you guys to listen to. I think it's episode like 930, although he doesn't label them Episcop numbers. Yeah, put some numbers on your episode. Yeah, but the title of the episode is Doubling Your Testosterone Levels and the guest was Brad Kerns. And it's the Ben Greenfield podcast. Go check it out.

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