Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 729: How to Build Visible Abs, the Necessity of Fruit in Your Diet, Taming Sweet Cravings & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. What's a Keith Wresch's song? Any Rolling Stone song, like ever. The paint, paint it black. You know what I mean? Stop what gave me like that. I justene The paint paint it black, you know me? Stop looking at me like that. I just thought I'd make it uncomfortable real quick.

Starting point is 00:00:27 I wanna do that. I don't wanna start with that. I wanna start with that. Are we? No. We're not gonna cut that, Justin. That's in the episode. That's right.

Starting point is 00:00:35 Listen, we get all your bloopers too. Listen, I can't yell right now. So I'm not to say this kind of softly. I can't either. In this episode of Mind, Pomp for the first 46 minutes, Adam, Justin and I do our regular introductory current events. Shinnanigan.

Starting point is 00:00:49 Conversation. We start on the car with kids, make sure you fast forward him, we got into the drug talk right on the level. We talk about my Keith Richards drug use theory. We talk about Adam's drug and genetics theory. We talk about our worst drug experiences. Wow, that's a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 00:01:04 Yeah, a lot of stuff. I want a first 20 minutes. We talk about the Jersey Shore reboot. We talk about tainted bottle water. This is not water running off. Tainted water. We talk about the death of satellite radio. Trump's space force and moon base.

Starting point is 00:01:24 Space force. Star Wars is here. death of satellite radio, Trump's space force and moon base. Space force! Star Wars is here. And the robot hamburger flipper. Then we get into the questions. The first question is, is direct ab work necessary if you do the big heavy lifts like squats and dead lifts? Because you know, power lifters like to say,

Starting point is 00:01:41 you don't need to work your abs if you squat and deadlift. Find out how self-goddly. Incredible abs. Exactly. The next next question was our fruits still handsome essential is it essential to eat fruit because they're another healthy Forty-the-taste good what do we think about fruit find out why Justin only eats the hard ones. Yeah, oh Banana's in public the next was, do women crave more sweets than men? This is a topic we have zero expertise in, but we are gonna give our opinion anyway.

Starting point is 00:02:10 You'll love this part of the episode. And finally, is it okay to hit on a guy in the gym, Adam gives his expert advice on that part of the episode. Also, this month month get free forum access if you enroll in any of our maps, bundles. Also, we do mention a lot of app training in this. I do want to mention we have something called the no BS six pack formula.

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Starting point is 00:03:21 We all sound like Adam today. You're not getting sick too, are you? No, I kind of lost my voice when I screamed and sang at that metal concert. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I get to like, sernactos, I'm like, jeez, you're a type. I'm right on par, dude.

Starting point is 00:03:37 You are on par. Is that me no singing for you today? Who me? No, I have to. I'm on par. To you, brother. You got to carry us today. Bro, this is your opportunity. This is the one chance you're gonna get. I No, I have to defer to you brother. No, but you got to carry us. Bro, this is this is your opportunity. This is the one chance you're going to get.

Starting point is 00:03:47 I don't you out of the best. It's like the M&M song, dude. Dinch, Dinch, Dinch, Dinch. How's that go? Like it was in my head and it's gone. Yeah, you do the old school rock a lot better. I don't know. Why don't I get the fuck on it? Why don't you guys send me the memo about the beanies? What's up with that? You're not cool. Yeah, you look like house of pain My house of pain. Yeah jump jump and Adam looks like he's gonna protest to Vietnam more. Yeah

Starting point is 00:04:16 He's like straight up Sergeant Pepper. I don't think you're allowed to comment on fashion. I don't think it's No, well I think you're just not allowed to I think there's certain rules for all of us. Like sports and fashion, I think you just got to leave it low. I didn't say good or bad. I just made an observation. You just got to talk to me. It could be good, it could be bad.

Starting point is 00:04:35 I'm just saying, historically speaking, you would right now be saying no to war. Now that we're plugged in with Viori, I feel like your swag game is already started. I have one shirt. It's starting to see it. It's already elevating. It's all it took was one one Viori hoodie.

Starting point is 00:04:49 You haven't stopped wearing that hoodie. Yesterday, I keep complimenting it. I don't want you to though. That's the thing. You don't want me to stop wearing it? No, because you know, the other option just isn't as cool. Damn, dude, this this cold is kicking my ass. What did the doctor say?

Starting point is 00:05:04 You went to sport. It's a gnarly one. I said you were a pussy. Yeah. Doctors like, dude, this cold is kicking my ass. What did the doctor say? You went to sports? It's a gnarly one, huh? He said you were a pussy, huh? Yeah, doctors like, well, he wrote a prescription. He's like, here you go, stop being a pussy. He's some cough medicine. No, he said that, you know, here's a deal,

Starting point is 00:05:15 bronchitis, which I may have. Most times is viral. So, you know, you don't want to take antibiotics if you have a virus because it doesn't do shit for you, right? Except for mess up your microbiome. So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna see what happens here. I'm gonna tough it out. I'm doing, I'm right now I'm on a lot of drugs.

Starting point is 00:05:33 So, John, here's the thing about Western medicine that I love. Nothing can stop symptoms or at least like mask symptoms better. Like I'm on musinx, sudafid, and Advil, so. You're a nice foggy haze. Sudafid is the business man. Oh dude. Did you see that thing that Katrina sent over to you, the IV place?

Starting point is 00:05:52 I'd do that bullshit. Well, you know that that's become like a popular thing, right? Like within like companies, these, these, yeah, they hook you up to an IV and give it much of my mind. They rehydrate you. Oh God. No, they hook you up to an IV and they give you vitamins through your blood.

Starting point is 00:06:03 I bet it feels, we're really, I bet it feels weird. We used to do that when we were really, though. I bet it feels fucking amazing. I bet it's bullshit, that's what I think. Oh, you think so? Yeah. I think there's really very few situations where you need IV vitamins. Otherwise, you can just take a vitamin or eat, like there's no. Well, need and feel good are two different things.

Starting point is 00:06:21 Like you're gonna be fine. Your body is gonna be, it's gonna rebound from where you are right now, but who knows, what if you were to fucking plug into that thing and you just feel like, oh man, that feels so good. So it's so wall street where they had like a business of nurses that went around and you're like, that's what they're getting, that's popular now. Over here, it's popular to do that.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Like these companies where these guys work these bell to bell, it's like, just like you said, like this hungover feeling. Right. They get plug in the IV and then, Well that's different. I think if you're dehydrated, yeah, you get an IV, it's gonna they get plug in the IV and then... Well, that's different. I think if you're dehydrated, yeah, you get an IV, it's gonna hydrate your my face. So you don't think that being sick

Starting point is 00:06:48 or anything would cause you to be dehydrated? I'm not dehydrated in a way. No. I've been drinking a lot of water, yeah. My pee's pretty clear. See, when I get sick, I have a bad habit. I don't drink enough water. I have to actively do that.

Starting point is 00:06:59 I have to go grab... That's someone else to bring it to. Yeah, that's who. You gotta go get it, bring it to me, and then I got to pay attention Wait for it. You're just not moving you're laying around watching 16 and pregnant all day You don't fucking want water. You don't want anything. I get really horny when I'm sick now I think you've gotten my head with that shit dude. It's the suit of Fed and the sickness because pseudo fedron does that to me too makes me wacky

Starting point is 00:07:20 Like a goofy. Let's say wacky or I say wack off both so you want to know it's embarrassing Yeah, we were doing the interview yesterday This is the worst thing I've ever worst interview I've ever done my life. We're interviewing a guest and while he's talking You know, I'm put the microwave for my face to cough every once in a while and I could feel the coughing building up You're trying to fight a cough. Yeah, it's like possible. It's like trying to fight an orgasm or sneeze It's not gonna happen. It keeps tickling. Yeah, it's just dude, it was coming on so hard. I had to push the microwave right out of the room and I cough for five minutes straight

Starting point is 00:07:50 while you guys are doing the interview. That's gonna be like the last couple of weeks. Oh. How'd you like Luke, man? I thought his story was great, huh? He's got a crazy story. What a fucking story. How's your life, right?

Starting point is 00:08:02 I know, eight years old, snort and blow. Yeah, no big deal. Crazy. That had it been crazy for you guys because you guys have kids at age. I couldn't imagine. I can't, my mind is still just completely back. Actually, it actually hurts my heart when I hear that.

Starting point is 00:08:15 Oh, I bet. I mean, it hurts mine. I don't have a kid. I couldn't imagine having a kid around that same age and then hearing someone tell that story and think like, man, and he's very measured in rational human being now. Like how did that happen?

Starting point is 00:08:27 Right, right. You know what I mean? I mean, the odds are all against a guy like that. You have a childhood and upbringing like that and you're doing things with that young of an age like for him to turn his life around it. That in itself is a mirror. Well, the greater the challenge, right, the greater the growth, obviously it wasn't too much of a challenge for him.

Starting point is 00:08:40 It didn't kill him. So it just made him who he is now. Although I think a lot of people would have died. I think a lot of people would have survived a life like that. Either that or just down a down a rabbit hole of like drug seeking forever, which I mean, he even he admits going down that road. Yeah, exactly. I mean, he's, I don't remember how many years sober he said he was. Do you remember? I think he said 15 minutes. I'm just kidding. It was a joke. Choking. No, it was years He's been doing I think since 26

Starting point is 00:09:06 So it's like 20 over 20 years maybe that's right. That's right. Yeah, he's like 47 Yeah, it looks great for dude. You did a lot of Drogen's I have to do well. I have a theory. I have a theory Okay, you will have no views. Oh, I have a theory so really early You'll notice that the celebrities or the musicians that don't die from other drug abuse, because a few of them do, right? A few of them don't die.

Starting point is 00:09:28 Like Ozzy Osborne. Ozzy Osborne. And I also like I still love it. I started so early. No, Ozzy Osborne, who's the guy Keith Richards? Keith Richards, yeah. Like why these people aren't dead and why are they still alive and why they seem to like the thriving?

Starting point is 00:09:40 Here's my theory. I think. Ooh, they kill off all the weak ass. It's like you're doing like light chemo. They have all the weak ass cells. I think it's my theory. I think the kill off all the weak ass. It's like you're doing like light chemo. They have all they have. I think it's bad ass cells. I think it's more like just like we talk about how some people just have the genetics to respond well to like steroids.

Starting point is 00:09:53 I think some people just respond well to certain chemicals added to their body and others don't. It's why too, some people like a super liver. Well, just some, you notice how everyone kind of gravitates to different poisons, right? Like some people are, you know, pill poppers and opiate seekers. You have other people that are chasing after marijuana. You have other people that are chasing after alcohol. And they all give your body like a different chemical response. And some people just have that gene like everybody in the family.

Starting point is 00:10:17 Like my whole, what kind of people do you think would be like gravitate towards what type of drug do you have a theory on any of that? Or is it just, um, no, I don't actually, I actually, I think that's the genetic component. So I think like in my family, right? So alcohol is not popular. Drugs like cocaine or heroin, not popular.

Starting point is 00:10:34 But opiates and pills are extremely popular within my family. My cousins, my mom, my grandmother, myself, like we've all gone down this road at one point. So I think you have this gene that it just, whatever that drug is, it just works really well in your body. And it's rough times happen in your life. You kind of tend to grab it first. I agree because like when you take a vicar in,

Starting point is 00:10:56 you probably feel different than a lot. Cause I hate opiates. Oh yeah, Katrina's the same way too. Gives her nightmares, she gets stomachaches from it. She's like, it's so worse. She, she'll be in like the worst pain ever. And I can have one at the house and be like, hey, do you want a bucket in or some of that?

Starting point is 00:11:08 And she goes, oh, God, no, let him make it worse. Yeah, I avoided it because I liked it a lot. Yeah. Oh, so you liked it too, huh? Yeah, because it's one of my roommates in college. He had broke his leg and after football games, I would take a vikin' in on the Sunday. He know when I was like super beat up and sore.

Starting point is 00:11:23 And I was like, ooh, this is good. So I just avoided it after that. What does it feel like? Because when I take it, I feel nauseous. Just like relaxed everywhere. Every man. Every man. Just relaxed everywhere, super chill.

Starting point is 00:11:35 Like before. Yeah, you were. Really? I used to watch just Matrix and Braveheart. But you know what I'm saying? You, we say that right, because that's the one that, I know people that talk about alcohol that way. They'll be, oh man, after I have like five or six beers,

Starting point is 00:11:48 I just feel fucking amazing. You give me five or six beers, I feel bloated, I'm burping, I feel like burn. Yeah, I'm like, this is shit, no, no. Like I get like a little buzz for a little bit, it's like a 15 minute I enjoy this, the rest of the time, I feel like shit. The only, the one drug that, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:03 I've never really, I don't have any experience with it, but the one drug, I would assume that I would probably like is our uppers because I really liked a fedra back in the day. Like right now I'm on pseudo-fedron, which is essentially a fedra, right? And I love pseudo-fed, I take that shit and I'm fucking on top of the world. When back in the day when a fedra was legal,

Starting point is 00:12:19 man, I used to pop out like candy all the time. I was on fire. Loved it, loved it, absolutely loved it. I was, as a kid growing up, I was always afraid. Yeah. I loved it. Love it. Absolutely. I was as a kid growing up, I was always afraid of things like cocaine and stuff for that exact reason because I was already a high energy person. I loved that stuff.

Starting point is 00:12:31 I loved caffeine. I loved coffee and just like you, I did a federal lot. So I stayed away from cocaine for a really, really long time because I was afraid that I would like it. I was like, man, if I get into this, this could be something that I could see myself wanting to do. So I already knew better. Like, okay, stay away if I get into this, this could be something that I could see myself wanting to do. So I already knew better. Like, okay, stay away from that drug.

Starting point is 00:12:47 You're gonna like that drug. I know you're gonna like that drug. So I think that's what people have to be careful of. It's like the ones that you just take it. It's like, oh man, that feels good. I don't know if it's necessarily that it feels good or if it's that you in your natural state or whatever you may be under some kind of, like your normal life,

Starting point is 00:13:06 maybe it's terrible, or you don't like the way you feel or you're anxious or fearful, and it takes that away. So then that state of mind is so superior to this terrible, you know what I mean? I believe that some of that is true, but I don't believe all that's true. I think when you... It's part of it.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Yeah, I mean, just like, I mean, there's plenty of people that drink beer and are completely happy with their lives, but it just feels so good in their body. Well, you know what I mean? I'm talking about the addiction aspect of it. Yeah, honestly. Well, anytime we're addicted to anything, I feel like we're either numbing something

Starting point is 00:13:36 or we're running from something else in our life that we're not handling or we're not facing. So, 100%, I think that. But there's also, like, I think in my case, like so, I was already somebody who, you know, fucked with opiates recreationally as it might mid 20s. And, you know, I've always been somebody who's had really good control of whatever it is that I'm messing with, like, you're just because I've seen so much addiction in my life. So I remember being introduced to it. And it was like a

Starting point is 00:14:01 thing that I was like every other every other weekend or every now and then it was like something we would do when we'd go out. And the real reason why I used to do it was because I won, of course I liked it too. I didn't have to drink a lot. I could go out to the bars with everybody if I had a vikin' and if I had one beer on that and I know we don't advocate doing this, but if you did that, it feels like I'm wasted without having to drink five or six beers. So it allowed me as a trainer to go on like kind of party with everybody and feel like I'm a part of everything.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Now where I got your macros. Yeah, right, right. We're totally backwards thinking, right? Until they like take take care of my macros at that part. You know what's funny? I know a lot of fitness, a lot of fitness people that do drugs instead of drink because of there's no calories. Like, yeah, like you.

Starting point is 00:14:43 Oh, I was, I was ew. I'm not gonna drink. I'd rather do heroin. I was, I was, I was for sure somebody who had that same thought process was like, I didn't want to, I didn't want to drink 70 beers because that led to jack in the box later than I had, and that led to bad food the next day. And it's like, so I'll tell you guys an experience.

Starting point is 00:14:56 So I had a buddy who, so back in the, God, let me think here. It had to have been in the early or mid 2000s, like a, like around 2007, 2006, I like that. At that time, there were all these gray market chemicals and drugs that you could buy online, and they're gray market because they weren't regulated, but they weren't necessarily approved for human consumption. And it was like this big deal where they're like, okay, like bath salts, remember bath salts? Yeah. That's what bath salts were, right? There were drugs that were very close to other drugs like methamphetamines, but they changed

Starting point is 00:15:29 it a little bit and then they, you know, and people liked them. So I had a buddy who had bought some online and it was called methalone. I don't know if you guys heard about this. Methalone is very chemically similar to MDMA, ec-C or Mali or whatever. So he bought this thing and he encapsulated, he put it in capsules and he was a friend of mine. He's like, dude, you gotta try this supplement. He told me it was a supplement.

Starting point is 00:15:54 I'm like, what is it? And he's like, oh, you feel fucking awesome, do it. On it, it's fucking great. So I had no idea what it was. So he's telling me about it and I'm like, really? It feels, and you know me, I'm a supplement, you know, I don't know what they call me. Yeah, there you go, supplement whore. So he's like, it's and I'm like really it feels and you know me. I'm a supplement, you know I don't know what they call me or yeah, there you go supplement whore So he's like it's a supplement. It feels good. I bought it online

Starting point is 00:16:10 So in my mind, I'm like sounds cool. So we went to I don't remember when we went oh, we went to Santa Nero's went to a bar. He's like here try this and you know, just take one I'm like, okay cool. So I took it and I had no idea what it would do So I took it and we're sitting there hanging out All of a sudden I felt this like, woo, over my whole body. Everything felt warm, I was super happy and I'm looking at it and I'm like, man.

Starting point is 00:16:33 I'm like, bro, I fucking love you. I love you man. I'm like, dude, you're fucking cool guy, you know that. I mean, I, he was a friend of mine but he wasn't that close to a friend of mine. Yeah. Bro, an hour into it me and him are talking about this business we're gonna open.

Starting point is 00:16:43 I'm fucking, I'm gonna sell my jam and go into work with him. We're awesome. We're gonna move in. Listen, you can live in my house, like an extra room. We're like best friends. I'm talking to people, this, that and the other. And so about maybe four or five hours later, that shit starts to wear off. And I start to feel kind of crummy and shitty.

Starting point is 00:16:56 Yeah. And I'm like, man, I feel kind of like depressed now. Like, what the hell? So I'm like, what was that stuff you gave me? And he's like, oh, it's called, you know, and I wrote it down and I went home and did some research. That motherfucker gave me? And he's like, oh, it's called, you know, and I wrote it down and I went home and did some research. That motherfucker gave me like an analog to fucking ecstasy. I was all depressed the next day and shit because of the fucking hangover or whatever.

Starting point is 00:17:13 It's like, I don't even like you. But dude, you want to talk about an altered state of consciousness? Like, I remember distinctly when that hit me, I was like, whoa, everybody. Oh, love everybody. I barely knew this guy. Dude, I was like sharing on my personal business stuff. That's a solid business tactic. He could have totally closed me, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:30 I'm pretty mad at him. You remember the name of it, I think, not that I want to get it or anything. You remember? That is the name of it. You're right at the show now. That is the name of it. You remember that?

Starting point is 00:17:38 Could you make sure Jackie gets it for the show notes please? Methalone is actually illegal now. Yeah, because that was one of the, like people were taking about raves and shit and overdosing and having some. Do you guys remember your worst drug experience, like trying something or somebody giving you something where you just, like, that was the most awful experience?

Starting point is 00:17:55 Oh, nothing has been weed. Nothing has been worse than having that paranoid situation I had with cannabis. It was the most insane delusional paranoid time of my entire life. I told you guys about this. I was up in Tahoe and I had just a huge edible and then I had smoked and I guess the edible

Starting point is 00:18:15 hadn't hit me yet, but it was really strong. So you smoked on top of it. So I smoked on top of it and I can get anxious anyway. So here's a deal with edibles. a small dose is like two to five milligrams. I rarely go over five milligrams. I'm usually around three, which is low, especially for somebody who, you know, I use cannabis, I probably say five to eight times a month, right?

Starting point is 00:18:39 And I've used it for, for gut health and stuff like that and probably around five to eight times a month. So I'm not a super regular user, but it's not like I never use it. So, but in five milligrams is a low dose, but for me, that's strong enough. So I had, I think it was like 15 or 20 milligram cookie. And then I smoked and then hit me all at once. And I felt like I kept asking people like, is my heart beating?

Starting point is 00:19:00 You know, because I thought I was dying or something like that. Then I went to bed and then I heard we were in a townhouse that was connected to another townhouse. And I guess the people next door were up and walking around, but it sounded like people were walking on the roof. And I for sure thought there was like, no joke. I was convinced the FBI or the CIA was on the roof because of my Facebook posts.

Starting point is 00:19:24 I made up the most because of my Facebook posts. They were fucking, I made up the crazy hell bro. Paranoid you can get. I made up the most insane story in my head. Yeah. It was so terrifying. And afterwards like I really thought that. That was my worst experience by far. Yeah. I had a very similar experience to that.

Starting point is 00:19:35 It's like eight and a brownie that one of my cousins gave me. And it was like back then where there's no dispensaries. Yeah. I mean like nobody's Like nobody knows how much, I have no idea how much was in it. You know what I mean? I ate the whole thing and I'm like, oh, this is good, it was a good brownie.

Starting point is 00:19:54 And I just ate the whole thing and it didn't hit me. And so I was waiting and waiting and waiting and like, oh, let's smoke, whatever. And so we're just playing video games. And then, you know, I thought initially, it was coming on like from the smoke. And I'm like, okay, you know, this is working, whatever. And then, good, boom.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Like I've literally like melted into my chair. And then I couldn't, I couldn't hold my head up. And then I'm like, I'm like getting lower and lower and lower. I'm on the ground. I'm like, looking up, I don't feel good, man. I don't feel good. I literally was crawling on the ground and then I finally just threw up for two hours,

Starting point is 00:20:39 throwing up. I remember distinctively, you know how at the end of a movie where you get an old movie, you get the real, where it flashes and it's like a clip of the movie. You get the repeats? Dude, life was doing that. I was looking out and it was clips rolling over and over and over and over. That's common with like too much canvas

Starting point is 00:21:05 where you get the repeats. I had that with the, there was a song that was playing and we were playing music and then when it really hit me, that same, it was like a five second clip of the song, kept playing in my head, over and over, kept playing in my head. It was terrible. Dude, you know, like, if you guys, you guys sort of salvia.

Starting point is 00:21:21 Yeah. Oh, I've never done that. So me either think, God, I, that was like, it wasn't even my experience, but like, there was with two of my friends that did it. Oh, you were with somebody who did it? Oh, wow, they fucking tripped out, right? It was the creepiest thing I've ever seen. What are they staring after?

Starting point is 00:21:38 They, they were trying to describe it to me. Like, they felt like somebody was like behind them. There's like a presence in there with them and all this shit. And they were just looking at their face. I couldn't even, they were gone. What if their eyes were like shark eyes? What if these drugs, what if these drugs like that? Or what if you're not hallucinating?

Starting point is 00:21:56 What if it really is like tapping into a portal to a dementia and see demons and shit. I'm not serious, I did. That's how I was like, yeah, it was weird weird man. He started crawling like a dog and he's like He started doing that. Yeah. Oh my god. They act they do there was like a thing in 2000 and I want to say like I eight or nine There was a big Salvia kicked out there. They were making all the viral videos on YouTube remember that that maybe I got jumping out the window. Oh crazy stuff bro crazy. I'm cool Yeah, I'm cool with that.

Starting point is 00:22:25 What about the time you did? What about the time you did? It was like five months ago, we did like 75 milligrams of cannabis on ice. You know what I was just thinking, what were you guys telling your stories? I'm thinking like, what are the worst things that for me?

Starting point is 00:22:35 And I don't know, I've tried most drugs. And all the bad experiences are what the ones that are totally not the scary ones that everyone freaks out about, right? Like so. Alcohol or weed. Yeah, I've had the bad experiences are what the ones that are totally not the scary ones that everyone freaks out about, right? Like alcohol or weed. Yeah. I've had the worst experiences on alcohol, marijuana and a fedra, you know what I'm saying? Three things that are like commonly accepted, I think by people that I had the work.

Starting point is 00:22:58 But I think what it is is because it's accepted, widely accepted, we treat it like a different drug and so you take more of it. You take more of a risk, and you push boundaries with those things, and because of that, I've overdone it on a fed住 to where I didn't sleep for two days and heart racing, and I literally remember praying in bed going like, please God, just let this stop,

Starting point is 00:23:17 because you know my heart pounding out of me. Yeah, pounding out of my chest going like, okay, I'll never do that again. I have it in my dad. Really? Yeah, so my dad is my dad's hilarious man. I'd say I'm totally my dad's son. So my dad will do like energy drinks and stuff and then he likes it because he'll go work out and have a good workout or whatever. So one day I get a phone call at like 4 a.m. and answer the phone. It's my dad.

Starting point is 00:23:41 I'm like, what's going on man? I'm obviously it's my dad at 4 a.m. So I hope everybody's okay. He's like, I can't sleep and I can hear in his voice and I'm like, what's going on man, I'm obviously my dad at 4am so I hope everybody's okay, he's like, I can't sleep and I can hear in his voice and I'm like, what's the matter? Like, what's going on? He's like, well, I went to the gym today and he goes, first I had a red bull and then my friend gave me some pills, I'm like, pills, what kind of pills did you take? He goes, let me get the package.

Starting point is 00:24:00 So he gets the package and he reads it to me, yellow jacket. Yellow jacket? Yeah. The trucker pills? Yeah. Oh jacket. Yellow jacket? Like the trucker pills? Yeah. Oh shit. I'm like, what's the matter? He's like, is that like 25 milligrams of a feather? Yeah, I do.

Starting point is 00:24:10 Yeah. I'm like, so what happened? He goes, oh, he goes, I felt the great. He goes, I went to the gym. He goes, I did all the weights. You know what I'm saying? I work out for three hours. I feel good.

Starting point is 00:24:20 I go home and he goes, but I can't sleep. I just stare at the ceiling. He's, I'm like, what are you doing right now? He's like, I'm going for a walk. I'm like, outside and he's like, yeah, I'm like, all right, but I can't sleep, I just stare at the ceiling. He's, I'm like, what are you doing right now? He's like, I'm going for a walk. I'm like, outside and he's like, yeah, I'm like, all right, well, you're probably gonna be okay. Go home and drink a shit ton of chamomile tea. And within a couple of hours, you're probably fine.

Starting point is 00:24:33 And he was. And after that, I had me and my mom had a nice conversation with him. My dad's just sitting there getting lecture like a kid. No more, no more, no more, no more, yellow jacket's dead. Hey, did you guys see that Jersey Shore is doing a comeback? They're gonna be on TV again.

Starting point is 00:24:48 No, they're not. Yes. They or I saw. I can't wait. What's his name? My. Who doesn't love the situation, right? What's his name?

Starting point is 00:24:57 Yeah, switch. I saw him after they blew up in Vegas. We were both on our way into Hocus on the club nightclub. And I was on my way in, he was on his way getting thrown out when I was going in. Just obliterated, dude. Just sloppy ass drunken, so that security carrying him out

Starting point is 00:25:18 and him slurring on, spilling all over. A lot of people don't realize this, but the situation, Mike, he's the guy that Mike. He's the guy that funded shreds shreds Yeah, he's connected to Arvin in fact Arvin was in an episode of Jersey Shore He was yep, oh, I didn't know. Yep. He was there was an episode where they had him There were he was visiting and they're like picking up on chicks and stuff and I know this because I was a die hard fan Sorry, I know I just let everybody down. I loved the Jersey Shore when I went to the Waza. No, it's great man.

Starting point is 00:25:47 It was hilarious. Trash TV, yeah, I love it. I liked the first season, then I got stupid after that. So I, I, I, I, I like to break Michael's rock of love. I check up on shreds to see where the, I don't, did you guys see the post? I posted like, hey, what happened to these guys? It's, but you know, like, cause they've just kind of fallen off.

Starting point is 00:26:02 And so I have this theory right now, and I gotta show you guys, I'm glad you brought this up cause it's just reminding me that I totally forgot about this. So it looks to me like Joey Swall, it's pivoted to this new company that literally looks spot on to like all the stuff that it's basically the same supplement line as Shreds,

Starting point is 00:26:21 but named it completely branded it completely different. Yeah. And putting like a hole in the and I would not be surprised. Cuts. If Arvin is like a silent partner behind on that. So while shreds is from all like rebranding. Oh, totally. Look up.

Starting point is 00:26:37 Look up. Joey Swolves page right now. Are you connected to your phone? I can't. I can't. I blocked me. Yeah. So Joey Swol blocked me. You don't have like a too many silly videos.

Starting point is 00:26:45 You can't go through another account of yours? No, I can't. You should be able to go through another account. Well, he started it by, I'll look up the name of the company because you should be here. You're probably not blocked from that account, man. Okay. Yeah, they're now starting up this supplement

Starting point is 00:26:57 and just he just started it maybe a couple, maybe a month or two ago, I saw, oh, thanks Doug. Are you pulling up right now? Oh, yes. So Doug scrolled down a little bit so you see like him probably promoting a sub. Oh god, yeah, that one in the shower. What the fuck?

Starting point is 00:27:10 Hold on, hold on, come on. What is that right there? There's the line right there. What does that say? What's it, rise? It's called right. Now click on the rise, see where it says rise, subs in the link link.

Starting point is 00:27:18 I mean, but does it have a Z in it? Right there, right there, okay. So there you go. So check this out. That's their new supplement. Yeah, scroll with it. Oh god. Yeah, they're just seeing someone got 9,000 followers. So there you go, so check this out. That's their new supplement. Yeah, scroll with it. Oh God. Yeah, they're just, see it's only got 9,000 followers just starting.

Starting point is 00:27:29 But if you scroll through all and you look at all the ingredients and all the different things, they literally have taken like all the shreds formulas. Oh, there he is. So I would not be surprised if it's just- It's a rebranded. Yeah, they just threw another label on all that stuff. This is getting too much of a stigma. Let's create, you know, let's just move over here.

Starting point is 00:27:45 Oh, completely. Look at it. I mean, if you look at all the, if you look at a shreds website and then you compare like all the products they have on it, it's like the same product line. It's the same branding with the fucking protein shaker and the every picture.

Starting point is 00:27:58 Fucking hilarious. The crazy, you know what's the most, the hilarious and the most crazy part of this, is it's gonna work. That's what blows my mind, motherfucker. That's what's the most, the hilarious and the most crazy part of this is it's gonna work. Yeah, that's what, that's what blows my mind. Motherfucker's gonna go make a couple million dollars off this. No problem. He'll make a couple million. It'll tank, then he'll do another one. It'll tank. It's like the old, you know what it reminds me of.

Starting point is 00:28:14 A lot hasn't changed since fucking the 1800s or whatever when you had the snake oil salesman. It is exactly like that. They'd have their truck with the snake oil and you know, gizzard you know whatever and then you go from town to town Ripping people off like this will grow your bald hair Don't like this one. Yeah. Oh, no, and you go to the next town and the next town and the next town Because they haven't heard about your bullshit. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's exactly what that is He's no different was the situation. Did you ever see him on comedy central's roast? Oh, he was terrible. It was the most uncomfortable super ever seen. Super uncomfortable. Oh my god. Was he getting roasted or was he roasting?

Starting point is 00:28:51 He was trying to roast. He was trying to be on the panel and roast people. Oh, and it was just it was never a turn on him. Oh, it was bad. He got booed, hell of a bad. Yeah. Like the comedians actually tried to help him out at one point. Cause it actually felt bad. So if you're ever like on a stage and Comedians are trying to help you because if you're bad for you know, you're fucking bombing. Yeah hard Yeah, what happens in that case like you're you get your like little, you know 15 minutes of fame you're on your show you're making your money so that now these people start wanting you on all these other things like Do you do it because you need the the paper or? Or like, because I would never put my,

Starting point is 00:29:26 as much as I love that show, I would never put myself up there because I don't have that talent. Like I don't have the talent to get up there and like roast somebody. And I would, so I wouldn't even accept that. I don't know, man, you might, but the thing about you, you'd be resourceful.

Starting point is 00:29:39 You get people to help kind of write something for me. Well, I'm not an idiot like him, so I can probably put something together. I mean, it's fucking so uncomfortable. That was like the most uncomfortable, like I don't know, 30 seconds of television I ever had to sit there. Dude, you have to be,

Starting point is 00:29:53 if you're somebody that ever gets a 15 minutes of fame, like you need to maximize that shit, because once it's gone, it's gone. You know what I'm saying, man? Well, that's what I think these guys do, is they get their show, it hits, and then they just accept everything that they else. To squeeze that shit real hard. I would hate, though, I would swear to God, man, I would hate to be famous like that, because you know,

Starting point is 00:30:14 there's gonna be a backlash at some point, and then you're, and then you're fucked because now. Famous for what? Well, but here's a deal now. Let's say you're, let's say you're that one of those guys on the Jersey Shore and you make all this money from the Jersey Shore, but then the backlash comes. Everybody thinks you're a douchebag. Now you try to get a regular job, and you're gonna walk into a place. They're gonna recognize you. Oh, you're that fucking asshole. Nobody wants to hire you. You're just working at Starbucks. Hey, man. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if everybody doesn't want to hire you because what comes with someone like that is a million plus following of people that are watching him, whether you like him or not, you're watching him. And so if I'm some sort of a brand that's trying to get off,

Starting point is 00:30:49 get off, you know, off the ground. But if everybody thinks you're an idiot at that point, and I mean, you might not be worth anything. Well, ask yourself, what's better? Somebody who's got a million followers and half the people think he's an idiot or somebody who nobody knows. What would be better for your business?

Starting point is 00:31:03 I don't know, I wouldn't want to be known to be. I mean, I'm not disagreeing in the fact that like I would hire a motherfucker like that, but I mean, you got to see the other side of that too. I think what he did was shreds was smart. Like he gave them money and then he wasn't in the, you know what I mean? You didn't know. Nobody knew he was like the the the funder. That was a smart move actually if you think about it.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Yeah. You think it was really that smart. Do you think they're just really good boys and he and they he said, hey bro, I need some money. There was an accident and he's probably making millions of all of you doing blowing shit And he's like hey bro here's 50 grand. I got you idiot some on yeah, I think it's more like that I don't think it was like oh my god this shreds business plan. It's a check for me It's fucking brilliant bro

Starting point is 00:31:39 Yeah, I don't think it was like that. Oh you're into printing. I'm into pretty. Oh you make a protein dude So I read an article I think it was like that. Oh, you're into protein. I'm into protein. Oh, you make a protein. Dude, dude, so. Make sure there's a Z in there, then. So I read an article yesterday that made me so angry. I have to share it with you guys right now. Really pisses me off. So they did some, there's a research organization called Orb Media that conducted research

Starting point is 00:32:01 at the State University of New York and they took 250 bottles of water from 11 different brands, including the top brands. Oh, I already know her. Are you already, man, you're gonna try and bomb us out. No, I already know this. It's tap water. Have most of them are tap water.

Starting point is 00:32:14 No, that's not what, that's worse than that. Oh, it's worse than that. So heavy metals in there and shit. So much worse. So much water. So they took, like the top brands like Aquafina and just a lot of these top brands right always thought aquafina tastes like shit I'm a disani guy

Starting point is 00:32:34 No, I'm a disani all of them almost I think all of them found Fiji oh bro plastic particles. Oh, well, it's in a plastic bottle bro plastic particles. Oh, well, it's in a plastic bottle. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. You know, you know you're drinking plastic particles? Well, I mean, you're kind of, I mean, you're drinking from a bottle. I'm sure some of a plastic bottle.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Well, so it's not, well, this is like the particles in the air. This is what, well, this is where they tell you not to leave those in the car because the sun hits it and then it puts different than that. So it's different than the chemicals leaching from the plastic. That's. So it's different than the chemicals leaching from the plastic.

Starting point is 00:33:06 That's like, it's actually particles of plastic and they think it has to come from the, the machines that put the like the bottle caps and stuff on. Right. So you actually like small. Like dust that's getting in there. Yes. Yeah, the top.

Starting point is 00:33:17 Dude, that shit is going, your body's trying to filter it out. Go in your liver, probably Xeno estrogen, probably causing estrogen, you know, I'll say that to me, dude. Fuck up. Well, I got the big, I got an Alhambra filter at my house.

Starting point is 00:33:31 That's cool. Yeah, my refrigerator has a filter and I'm now using that mirror canister, too, which is great. I'm starting to bring that to work. So at least, it's like, oh, I see. So it's like, oh, yeah. Is it aluminum or it's, yeah, it's some kind of a metal

Starting point is 00:33:48 that, you know, I don't know, it feels safer than plastic. It feels better than plastic at least. Well, I'm gonna get a, we can move in that direction. So when did this come out and was, did it cause a bunch of shit? Oh, yeah, all over the place. Oh, yeah, because, I mean, when you're consuming particles of plastic, that could have some long, you know, long-term effects on you, including, you know, potentially increasing your risk of cancer.

Starting point is 00:34:10 And everybody drinks fucking bottled water now. So I'm gonna get a reverse osmosis filter now for my mouth. Did you guys see the eye from a hose, the eye-hate media company, which is like the largest radio station company in the United States, just file for bankruptcy. No, really? Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:34:27 Like, they were like $20 billion in debt or something crazy. Sayonara radio's gone. That's nice. That is like the big, like, you know what I'll say? That's a big domino, bro. National television.

Starting point is 00:34:37 You know what I'll say? Things are gonna be gone. Yeah, bro. I think satellite radio's gonna be gone too. Oh yeah, well, everything's streaming, dude. Yeah, man. Everything is, everything is, everything is gonna go internet. Yeah, yeah, the everything's streaming dude. Everything is, everything is, it's gonna go internet.

Starting point is 00:34:45 Yeah, the internet rules. Because you know Howard Stern, who is, you know, he's still on satellite radio. Howard Stern still arguably one of the most powerful people in radio type mediums. His contract is coming up. And it's being widely speculated that he's not gonna continue doing his entire.

Starting point is 00:35:01 Well, he'd be smart, not to. I mean, he was one of the first to talk shit about podcasts, but that's, I get it. You know, he had a huge contract with serious radios. So why would you get on the podcast? Of course you're going to talk shit about that. You're exactly millions of people and like, that's probably the biggest threat to where.

Starting point is 00:35:17 Yeah. Well, bro, if he leaves, he moves the podcast. If he leaves satellite radio, satellites fuck over. Yeah, over, came over. Yeah, honestly, the only people I personally know, who's personally that I know, that listen to satellite radio satellite fuck over. Oh, over came over done. Yeah, I honestly the only people I personally know this is personally that I know that listen to satellite radio listen for Howard Stern That's it. That's the only reason like that Jason Ellis. I think it was other than one because even the even the music on there I would way rather listen through Pandora or Spotify Spotify Spotify is a company. I'm fascinated watch Spotify

Starting point is 00:35:41 What's Spotify doing with their work? They're making some serious moves. I feel like they're already competing hard with like iTunes and everybody. Oh, they're, I think it's, it's, it's maccon on iTunes. I think they're building a, a user interface that is not only going to be like, um, uh, fucking Pandora and have all those capability to has all those capabilities, but it's starting to mold and look like this interactive platform like Instagram. So share, share, follow, and they really have it. They've really been building it out to make it all like the experience of it more awesome,

Starting point is 00:36:17 which I think it is great. And they really haven't aesthetically fucked with it. I think when they start to fucking with it aesthetically, like you're gonna see it kind of rival Instagram, and you'll now, especially if you're a music person. If you love music and you're into looking for what's fucking hot and what's new and following other artists that are out there, I think Spotify is a platform to keep an eye on it.

Starting point is 00:36:38 It's interesting. It's interesting. What Trump, if you heard about him trying to get a space force out there so we're ahead of everybody. A what? Space force. No. Doesn't that sound like a space balls?

Starting point is 00:36:51 Yeah. It sounds like a cool cartoon we'd watch in the 80s. Space force. Space force. Is this supposed to rival space X? Yeah. No. So he's going to put like a military.

Starting point is 00:37:01 Like a military right. Like put in the military up there to make sure like we're covering space We're covering the air we're covering the water in the land now. We got to cover space. Oh fuck do you star Where's the fuck well Star Wars is here. I know this is what you always want we have lasers you You had lasers right? Yeah lasers a shoot out get a chance to be Han Solo, bro. It's getting close once There's a death ray. Oh, well, so you know there's a chance to be Han Solo, bro. It's getting close. Once there's a death ray, bro. Watch out. So, you know, there's like an international treaty

Starting point is 00:37:28 that no country is gonna ever build a base on the moon? Like, that's a big thing, right? That's a big international. Of course, can you imagine? Watch Trump be the first one to be like, oh shit. Put a base on the moon. Yeah, that'd be crazy.

Starting point is 00:37:39 Moon base? Yeah. Moon base. Jesus. I heard people speculating like again, like that did we even land on the moon? I saw that come I saw that going out the other day. I was like, do you still flatter people? There's still people that don't believe we land on the moon? Yeah, that'll always be there. Hollywood man. Right. They just faked everything.

Starting point is 00:37:59 So another cool article here here the first hamburger flipping robot Oh, I saw that activated and it actually had they had to turn it off. Oh shit Why is it because it was killing that was too fast. It was too efficient The fucking human workers couldn't keep up with it Because like come on. That's true. Yeah, I just read the article come on Absolutely. Well, what do you mean they they he was making burgers too quick it was it was a snack they had to like they have to figure out how to make a slow down or whatever yeah here's a deal like you know I think all the you like bank and with that yeah all these all these jobs that require very very low skill they're all going to be replaced by machines at some point it but if they

Starting point is 00:38:40 keep raising minimum wage they're just going to make that shit happen so much faster you know I mean they raise that shit to fifteen dollars faster. You know what I mean? They raise that shit to $15, you know, say the final. Isn't that ironic to people that are fighting or love the increase of minimum wage are the ones that are probably their jobs are most threatened? Dude, it's totally. Yeah, but all these low-skilled jobs,

Starting point is 00:38:58 you kinda crazy when you think, no damn robots were taking over our jobs. It's build a wall. So, no, but that's exactly what's happening. So you have market pressures, which are, you know, you wanna create artificial market pressures that make this happen faster. All you gotta do is raise them in minimum wage.

Starting point is 00:39:13 And then the cost to benefit ratio is gonna get better for companies to just automate everything. And then what are you gonna do? Now there's no work, you know what I mean? What other jobs will be automated? I'm fast food for sure. Yeah. You know, what else?

Starting point is 00:39:27 Toll booths. Why the, you know why those aren't automated yet? Can I tell you why right now? The fucking bullshit unions. That's why. There's no reason, listen, if you work a toll, I'm sorry, okay, but this is true now. You hate your life already.

Starting point is 00:39:39 When I drive through and pay a toll and you just stick your hand out and take my money, why, why, why is that even exist? Why is there a person there? You drive through and pay a toll and you just stick your hand out and take my money. Why? Why is that even exist? Why is there a person there? It should be a machine. That's the way I don't know. It's so unsanitary too. Can you imagine like taking everybody's dirty ass money all day? I mean, I think it's almost across the board.

Starting point is 00:39:58 I think of, tell me, I have a better question. Tell me a minimum wage job that you can't see being replaced by AI. Totally. It's all of them. No, yeah. Think about in our space when we're in the gym, I mean I could see, I mean why we have front desk people, why are you checking in? Yeah, all that stuff will go away.

Starting point is 00:40:15 All that stuff will go away. Speaking of robot watching. Speaking of business, you guys saw Toys of Us, right? No. Closing all the stores in the US and the UK. Man, it's just a matter of time. Well, it's because Walmart Fucking destroyed them

Starting point is 00:40:28 And Amazon Amazon destroyed them so Toys of Russ which was like when I was a kid I feel like World War three is gonna be Amazon and Walmart. They're gonna have their own They're gonna get army and they're fighting each other dude when I was a kid Toys of Russ was I mean was there any better place to go? Do you remember that? No, it was great. Yeah, there was no better place.

Starting point is 00:40:51 So I read about what happened like the decline of Toys or Us. So apparently they were super in debt, so they made some bad business moves where they put themselves in debt. Then, which meant they had to cut money from the Toys of Rust experience. And I noticed this a couple of years ago, I went to a Toys of Rust and it was the worst fucking experience of all time. Like shells were stock shitty and the rebellion employee like, this is terrible. Toys of Rust used to be Disneyland. What the hell?

Starting point is 00:41:17 Oh no, I remember like maybe 10 years ago when they first came out with the kids scanning their Christmas gifts and their birthday gifts. Have you seen that? Oh, it's so brilliant. Oh, for like a wish list. They yet they give a kid a gun. Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:33 So for a wish list for like Christmas, he gets a gun and he gets to run around the store and shoot the barcode on all the things that he wants. Really? And then it automatically blows it into a Christmas list. I'm like, that is so brilliant, man I mean they are for that for weddings Exactly. Yeah, no it makes sense for adults been a matter of strippers How smart is that and you know that every kid wants to do that and then all the all he does is run around shooting everything

Starting point is 00:41:57 It's such great advertisement for the story, you know for someone to do that It's like it's like a wedding registry or whatever for Kids are spoiled as fuck man. I know you You're gonna get more than one thing for Christmas. Please the hell's wrong with you. Please stop giving you kids so many fucking toys. You know why kids are you know You want to know something right now? I'm gonna go on a rant. You know why kids you know why kids are so offended by everything and fucking in their Safe spaces and shit. Give them everything. No because we've talked about this several times on the show now Challenge gives life meaning. Kids have no challenges.

Starting point is 00:42:26 So they have to invent challenges. You know what I mean? They have to make shit up. They have to get offended by shit. Because they don't have a war, they don't have a plague, they don't have anything like, like, really challenging them. They got everything they want. They fucking sit in their, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:37 in their computers and have everything delivered to them. We won't let them climb on really tall shake as they're gonna break their arm. Yeah, so they're like, so then they grow up to be college kids and they're like, I need a puppy in a fucking coloring book because I'm offended that the teacher said,

Starting point is 00:42:50 stupid to me or something like that. No, sometimes you're stupid. No, I'm, sometimes someone needs to tell you that shit. That's all I'm saying. I think there's still just as many kids that probably get none of those things. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how much that's changed since we were kids.

Starting point is 00:43:05 Like, the kids that you just named were probably the spoiled little shits that have parents that have lots of money that could do all those things. There's probably equally as many if not more kids who don't get any of that shit. Less of them. Less of them.

Starting point is 00:43:18 I think they did a lot more spoiled assholes. Here's the thing about, and this we haven't figured this out yet, the thing about open and free, we haven't figured this out yet. The thing about open and free markets, or relatively free markets, I should say, like capitalism, is that it elevates everybody. So although the gap between the wealthy and the poor starts to get bigger, the poor also improve quite a bit so that somebody today who's poor versus someone 20 years ago who's poor, they have far more things and far more access to things than versus someone 20 years ago who's poor, they have far more things and far more access to things than they did 20 years ago.

Starting point is 00:43:48 So although the gap becomes larger, we're lifting so many people out of poverty. We lifted more people out of poverty in the 20th century than we did in the previous like 10,000 years of human history. It's pretty crazy. What do you think that's mostly technology? What do you think the reason for that? All what's a big part of it? It's what markets promote.

Starting point is 00:44:07 Markets promote increased efficiency because people become more and more specialized with what they're doing. The competitive forces of the market mean that you have essentially billions of people working together to solve problems voluntarily, but they're all doing it for their own personal, you know, for their own personal,

Starting point is 00:44:25 for their own selves, right? So when you look at a product like an iPhone, the amount of people that took to make that phone both directly and indirectly is just insane. So you're basically buying a fraction of every person's time. Markets promote that, so efficiency just becomes so insane. Do you think that we could actually, through technology technology and science lift us completely out of poverty? Oh yeah, for sure. It will happen to 100%.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Look at that 3D printed homes we talked about. No, I agree. I think that's crazy when you think about that. But there's another problem here. There's a psychological problem. And that's because I just, there was another article I was going to bring up where the suess, if you are, if you're poor,

Starting point is 00:45:03 or if you make a certain amount of money and you live near people who make a lot more than you, your suicide rate goes up by 5%. Versus if you're poor and you're around other poor people. So just knowing that other people have a lot more than you and being around them, psychologically can be very challenging for humans. So there definitely is a psychological problem with a gap between, you know, people who are doing really really well And then people like yourself who may be doing normal or less than well that whole keeping up with the Joneses that

Starting point is 00:45:32 Comparing that's a real problem, but I don't think it's a problem with it's not, you know capitalism didn't create that problem That's also a good thing too I mean, it's real similar to the theory of having the kids with second, all the way to eighth grade, all working together in school, having different people, like having, well, it's obviously necessary. Hierarchy ladders of existing human civilization, forever. So there's a reason why they exist,

Starting point is 00:45:55 and capitalism didn't create them, is something that exists among humans, and humans have, it's essential, obviously, because we have them. Like, there's something called a Pareto distribution where a small percentage of people in creative fields create a majority of the work. So for example, if you look at like all the like top selling music that was written, there's a very small percentage of people that have written most of the top selling music when

Starting point is 00:46:22 you look at it, you know, how many people write music, or authors, or scientists, or inventors, or entrepreneurs, there's a small percentage that create most of the inventions when you look at that. So that's not necessarily a bad thing because you want the people who are the most capable to be able to produce the most things for most people, right? Like you want the Steve Jobs and the Elon Musk want the kind of, you do that for formula and then they systematize it and then it just,

Starting point is 00:46:48 they can replicate it. Well, I don't like, you don't want to get, you don't want to get, you don't want to get rid of those people, but then there is this issue where humans have this natural issue where if they see someone else has more than them, it causes problems. Yeah, but I would also, I would also argue this,

Starting point is 00:47:03 if you have five, so let's say we have 5,000 poor people and you put them in a community with 5,000 super rich and wealthy people. I would argue that the 5,000 poor people there's a greater percentage of those people that will elevate in in pursuit of keeping up with the Joneses or because they're around other people that are succeeding and there probably will be a higher rate of suicide and failure, but we'd get more people that are succeeding and there probably will be a higher rate of suicide and failure but we get more people that would rise up. If you took that same 5,000 poor people and you put them in a community of 5,000 other poor people as poor or poor than them, I think you're less likely to see those 5,000 people. Oh, of course. No, look, here's a deal. Would you would you rather be a poor person in a

Starting point is 00:47:40 rich Western society or a poor person in a third world society, right? But that's logical, that's objective logic. There is this psychological phenomena that happens with humans where regardless of how much you have, right? Because listen, here's a deal. When you talk to people and they talk about the rich, the rich is anybody who has more than they do. Okay, so I don't care if you talk to someone who's a millionaire.

Starting point is 00:48:02 Comparison is the thief of joy. It's always exactly so It's not a problem with markets. You can't even once about you throw a little thing over nice Yeah, I do I do you compare you know comparison is or or or having an issue with that That's a human existential issue. It's not an issue with Capitalism or markets. That's just an issue humans have and it happens doesn't matter if you're in a poor country a rich country or whatever So that's something that we need to work on ourselves But you know markets just promote you know they they promote wealth for everybody

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Starting point is 00:49:08 First question is from Linser Beth is direct ab work necessary I do the big lifts bench squat deadlift. Yeah, is my core getting hit hard enough with those lifts and accessories Each body two times a week or should I be adding ab work in as well? It is good question. There's a you know a little while ago each body two times a week, or should I be adding ab work in as well? It's a good question. There's a, you know, a little while ago, there was like this myth that, you know, you don't need to, and it is a myth, you don't need to hit your abs or your core because your core gets stimulated like crazy when you squat real heavy.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Well, because you are bracing. And, you know, this myth was created and perpetrated by lazy people who don't want to work out their core. Actually, it was by, it was seriously, it's by power lifters who could give a shit about having a stack of six packs. I can see that, yeah. And they were strong enough.

Starting point is 00:49:52 And they used to belt anyways. Yeah, and they're strong as fuck. Right. And if you do look at like EMG, you know, test or whatever with a, you know, test the activation of a muscle, does your core activate strongly when you squat and deadlift will have you? Yeah, it does, of course, and he's to support you.

Starting point is 00:50:07 But muscles get... That's not it's only function though. No, exactly. And muscles get strong in very specific ways. In other words, if I train my core to brace really hard, I'm going to have good strength to brace, but if I move outside of that and I look to do, you know, if I start to flex at the spine in any direction, whatever. Trying to get it from the ground.

Starting point is 00:50:25 Dude, you know how many guys I used to work out with who were super strong deadlifters and power lifters or whatever. And then I have them do like just regular like leg raises or sit-ups or whatever and they shake. Like, because they have no control over that new range of motion. Like your best bet is always to train your muscles in their fullest ranges of motion and how they express themselves To give you the most full spectrum performance, right? Well, this is it this is I'm somebody who fell into this category for sure I I and part of the reason why I did was because my abs have always been exposed So I can see him right so I was a kid who

Starting point is 00:51:00 Was relatively lean all the time and you know having abs was not hard for me, building muscle was harder for me. And so I was looking at all the other muscle groups on my body that I wanted to develop more. And sure, I got away with it and I was fine, but now is 37 year old man. Now what I see what's going on with me is I have such poor connection to my abdominals

Starting point is 00:51:21 that it doesn't help keep my pelvic in a neutral position. And so it's part of why I naturally default to this anterior pelvic tilt. And I can feel it contributing so much that when we sit on planes, my low back will start to fucking kill me. And so I'll sit on the plane and I'll sit up and then I'll kind of squeeze my abs.

Starting point is 00:51:41 Will I alleviate the pressure? Yes, it'll completely alleviate the pressure from my low back. And I remember the first time that I made that connection and I knew right away it was this is my fault for never really strength training my abs to support me when I'm seated in a position like that. So if you're somebody who sits in a chair

Starting point is 00:51:59 for a really long time or flies a lot and you notice that your low back bothers you all the time, this could be one of the contributors. It is for me. It was definitely something that I neglected for a very long time and and I still do. I'll be the that will be the first thing that I neglect that at everything else because of this visual thing and I always know I pay for it when I pay attention to that and then when I'm actually training it when I'm training my core I'm working my abdominals and then I go and I sit on a plane or I sit down totally far.

Starting point is 00:52:26 It's definitely one of those I could get lazy about, like between, because for my view of like crunching or doing sit-ups was very body builder-esque, right? That was like an exercise for bodybuilders that and bicep curls, you know? And so those were two things that were like, just from an athletic or functional perspective. I'm like, well, I'll just do planks or, you know, rotations or things like that where

Starting point is 00:52:51 I'm expressing, you know, ab contraction. But then again, like, I'm totally neglecting a major function of my abs. And so like every now and then I'll go back and I'll be, oh, yeah. And it, you know, and it's just being lazy, you know, it's totally one of those things like my, I need to work out my abdominals and I need to do those exercises. Well, in our defense too, though, I think that there is a priority, right? So I remember teaching clients and knowing that they need to do abs, but also knowing that this client needs to do

Starting point is 00:53:25 a lot of other things also. So I think there's an order of operation. Now hands down, if I have somebody, when I assess them and I look at their posture and they have like an excessive anterior pelvic tilt, like it's a no-brainer, that now becomes a priority. Now if you're somebody who has really good spinal alignment, you don't have any low back pain,

Starting point is 00:53:42 you don't have any real conditions like that, it now gets dropped down on the list as far as a priority for me. So it really depends on who I'm talking to, on how much emphasis I put on this. Because let's be honest, doing some of these ab exercises and crunches when you compare it to squatting or deadlifting,

Starting point is 00:53:57 you're not getting nowhere near as much bang for your buck. Because at least the squat in the deadlift has some carryover to your neck. No, it's true. But I will say this, like rarely we see a trainer not do curls or try some extension with a client, but they'll skip it, you know, core exercise or abs. Yeah, that's silly.

Starting point is 00:54:13 Which it's more important, it's more important than those. The funny thing too about Bicep curls, Justin, is, you know, working with Robert Obers, how many curls he does. Yeah. Because it protects his bicep from tearing when he does this heavy. Exactly. He's definitely like figured that out, like how to preserve, you know, his arms like and prevent

Starting point is 00:54:31 that from tearing. Here's what you want to ask yourself, will I have, will I benefit from being stronger in a muscle or will I have a detriment? Oh, never will you have a detriment from being stronger in a muscle. So it's a good idea, even if you don't do a sport that requires you to do lots of crunches or whatever.

Starting point is 00:54:47 It's only going to benefit you. Now, this was for me mind blowing years ago because, so I used to get, I would, I would, in the summertime, I would always die and get real lean and I get down like 9% body fat. And I'd have a six pack only when I flexed my abs. Otherwise, I was just lean, right? But you couldn't see my abs when I was relaxed and I was always jealous. I was like, damn, I wanted, I wanted abs when I was just lean, right? But you couldn't see my abs when I was relaxed. And I was always jealous. I was like, damn, I wanted abs when I was relaxed too,

Starting point is 00:55:09 because you see some guys like that, right? Where they walk around, they don't have the flex and they have a six pack. And I thought it was just, I had to get even leaner. And so I would get really, really leaner, you know, really lean, and I'd get down to like 7% body fat. And you'd kind of see them when I was relaxed, but it wasn't what I thought it was.

Starting point is 00:55:24 So one year I just decided, I'm gonna work out my core and see what happens. And I started training my abs in my obliques, like I trained the rest of my body. I trained them three days a week, I trained them with resistance sometimes, so I would try to build my muscles. And that year, my abs built big time,

Starting point is 00:55:43 to the point where now I have visible abs when I'm relaxed at like 11% body fat, whereas before I had to have to get down to like 8% body fat. So aesthetically speaking, you can build this freaking armor of a core if you build your ab muscles like you would with your biceps or anything else. But that all being said, this is true for all your muscles of your entire body. The goal should be if you're looking for maximum function to train your muscles in all the ways that they articulate themselves

Starting point is 00:56:13 or that they articulate your joints. Is this what really inspired you to create the no BS? Totally. 100%. It was mind blowing to me because up into that point, it was an afterthought, so I do some crunches here. And now I also thought you're supposed to work out your abs

Starting point is 00:56:25 with a lot of reps. So when I started training them, it dawned on me like, why not just train my core, like I trained the rest of my body? If I want to build it, I need to use a sufficient amount of resistance. And it was like, it was within a matter of months, it was like three months later,

Starting point is 00:56:39 I had these bricks for abs that were just, and when I train them really hard and I get them in really good shape, if I'm around 10% body fat, I'll wear a t-shirt. If it's a tight t-shirt, you could see my abs through my shirt. This is so different from the way I used to look. Like I did not have abs that really were visible,

Starting point is 00:56:56 and it's because I built them through full range of motion training. But like what I was saying earlier, you wanna train all your body, I mean, imagine if we used this mentality with other body parts, what if I said, all you need for your biceps is really strong stabilization. You know what I'm saying? It's a farmer walk.

Starting point is 00:57:13 Yeah, like that's gonna make your biceps really strong too in a stabilized fashion, but the second I curl my arm, a lot, I'm gonna lose a lot of that because that's a range of motion that's not, there's not a ton of carryover into other ranges of motion. So it's important that you train all your muscles this way, including your core. And if you're a strength athlete and you're all you're interested in is improving your

Starting point is 00:57:35 squat and your deadlift, mark my words, start training your core through full range of motion and watch how much more stable you are when you do your lifts. But I will say this, when you wear a weight belt, there is a different way of activating your core to make you more stable in a weight belt. And it's literally the ability of your ability to push your core out against the weight belt to create stability. And there was an exercise that Robert Obers showed us called the Fat Girl Presses. Yeah, it's an unfortunate name.

Starting point is 00:58:08 Yeah, PC. Yeah, so it's called the Fat Girl Presses. So it's unfortunate. I think that was hilarious. So it's, of course, it's what they named it. What you do with this is you lay on your back with your knees bent and you put like a kettlebell or a weight on your midsection or like a heavy sandbag.

Starting point is 00:58:24 It's probably the best thing to write sandbag. And you put it on your midsection or like a heavy sand bag. It's probably the best thing about sand bag. And you put it on your midsection, so it's pressing down in your gut. And then what you do is you push out and try to lift the sand bag with your gut by pushing out against it. And what you're doing is you're training your core, your core's ability to push out against resistance so that when you put your weight belt on, because he was telling us how important it is when you wear a weight belt to be able to really exert force against the weight belt to create stability, which I use a brilliant exercise. Absolutely brilliant exercise. So, you know, all these different things are important to train your

Starting point is 00:58:54 muscles and all the range of the motion to make them most functional. So, don't neglect, you know, that full range of motion for core. I mean, it makes a huge difference. Can you, Sal, didn't you write an incredible white paper that was on flat tummies or a six pack abs and all the mists and the things that are surrounding around it? I did, I did. Some of the big myths are like high reps, you know, for some reason it was sold a long time ago that

Starting point is 00:59:18 you need to do high reps for your abs because that's supposed to be better. Doug, can we put a link, can we put a link inside the show notes so people can actually look at that white paper that's all created? I think Jackie can do it. Jackie's here, by the way. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:31 How you doing? So yeah, I did write that. But yeah, as far as training the core is concerned, high reps are its false. The core builds like any of the muscle. The problem with low reps and your core is if you have bad control over your core, and then you try to add resistance,

Starting point is 00:59:48 you're asking for trouble. So learn how to really articulate the movement of the core and do that with body weight first and trust me. If you do a fizzial ball crunch properly, where you're fully extending, fully contracting, not many people need resistance. Even I do it when I'll extend my arms above my head, so I create a long lever.

Starting point is 01:00:08 I'll do like 15 reps and I'm getting, and it's decent resistance. Oblique's too, man, trained with heavy resistance on that rotation. And when you build that solid, like I said, it feels like armor. When your core is strong like that, it does feel like armor when you go do your other lifts,

Starting point is 01:00:25 you just feel like your spine is so protected because it's the other side of the muscles that support the spine. It's not just the low back. It's all those muscles. It's 29 different muscles that internally wrap around your spine all the way from the back to side in the front that I think people are neglecting.

Starting point is 01:00:41 You know whose core blows me away? Paul check. Paul check has got, if you look at pictures of him and he's in his... I think people are neglecting you know whose core blows me away who pull check Paul check has got if you look at pictures of him and his you know he's in his Craig Craig is gonna pre-ask for on him to he does he does Yeah, Craig is got a nasty car because all his weight range check blocks Paul check would do Physioball crunches with a 120 pound dumbbell on his chest. Yeah, and which is it's silly and good form like really good form Which is absolutely insane.

Starting point is 01:01:06 So does he see how stable he is when he does like anything else, even if it's a Bulgarian squat, you can load, you know, four or a pounds to that or whatever. He went to, he was at the honor academy and they were, he worked out with Kyle. So Kyle Kingsbury is a big strong fucking dude, right? He's a X pro MMA fighter, big strong dude, like very muscular, very strong. And Kyle told me that he worked out with Paul and they were doing back step lunges with a barbell

Starting point is 01:01:34 and he said they got up to 225 pounds and Kyle was like, I can't do anymore and Paul got it when I'll owe it to 300 pounds. Yeah, it's great. 50 something years old, right? He's savage. Just an absolute machine, but part of that is his core. And if you talk to Paul about the secret to a strength,

Starting point is 01:01:51 he'll tell you like his core was a big. And he was talking about this way before core strength became an important thing. This was in the 80s and 90s when he pretty much brought the physio ball into the forefront. Yeah, yeah. So no, it's, lazy people said it wasn't necessary. Can you have a six pack and that never work out your abs?

Starting point is 01:02:09 Yeah, if you get lean enough, you'll have it. Can you squat heavy and deadlift heavy with a belt and never work out your abs? Yeah, but is it ideal? No. Like if you want to develop an impressive midsection and you want good stability, work your core in its full range of motion.

Starting point is 01:02:23 If you build it, so I will come. Next up, Lauren Bergman, our fruits essential. I've never liked the taste and texture of fruit, but I'm told I'm missing vital nutrients and minerals. No, no, no, no. But you know what, this I would challenge this person to look into their current diet or the diet they've eaten over the last fucking 10 plus years of their life because I hated fruit.

Starting point is 01:02:49 You don't like fruit? I hated fruit. But the reason why I hated fruit was because I came out the womb eating sour patches and candy and donuts and ice cream and and then I moved into as I got older artificial sweeteners and I took artificial sweeteners like crazy. Yeah, hijacked. Yeah, so my, my palate is fucked when it comes to sugar

Starting point is 01:03:09 and what sugar should taste like in its natural form. And so I would eat an apple, a banana strawberry and it tastes fucking bland. It would taste like nothing. A banana and a strawberry tastes the same to me and apple, same to me. All they all tasted the same. Yeah, it really did.

Starting point is 01:03:23 And I was not a fruit eater at all. And that was the reason that kept me from eating fruit. It wasn't till later in my career that I put it together that I was like, oh shit. I have just completely hijacked my palate. I've been over saturating it with all this artificial sweeteners and regular sugar for so long that getting in its natural source just doesn't appeal to me.

Starting point is 01:03:42 So I would- What's your favorite now? Oh my God, dude, I love all fruit now. You like cum quarts? Yeah. Cum quarts, you never get cum quarts? No, I miss. I miss that one.

Starting point is 01:03:51 Yeah, cum quarts. That's the name of instant, instant, instant. Of course, unfortunate name of a whole new year. Of course, you would be your favorite. You have a lot of cum quarts around the house. Yeah, of course, you would be your favorite. You know what, I've been wanting to say cum quarts for so long. I mean, I do a lot of durated fruit.

Starting point is 01:04:03 I do a lot of berries now, right? So I do blueberries and blackberries and raspberries and strawberries. I do that a lot. I mean, that's almost like a daily thing that I do. And then I eat bananas and apples occasionally. But man, there's no fruit that I don't love now. I love all fruit now.

Starting point is 01:04:19 But it was only like apples and berries. Yeah. I don't really get down with the mushy banana, you know, it's like a texture thing. You like them to be hard. I don't like bananas, but they're soft. But bananas compliment a lot of good, smoothies and other dishes.

Starting point is 01:04:33 I don't like eating bananas in public, but I do like bananas. But so, you know, I treat fruit like dessert. So for me, fruit is nature's dessert, it really is. And if you think about it, so here's an interesting thing that I learned the other day when we interviewed Max, Max Lugovier. And I looked this up, he was right.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Scientists think that human's ability to see color evolved to be able to see fruit. Oh wow. Yeah, the different colors of fruit. So after that? Yeah, like our ability to see color came from our evolving so that we could actually see fruit and fruit is quite ingenious actually It's a way for a plant to to spread it seeds

Starting point is 01:05:10 So what they do is they they put their seeds and they they pack the seeds in a sugar filled fiber filled Colorful, you know fruit that humans would eat and then poop out the the seed The seed is now, you know encased in your poop, which is like fertilizer and then poop out the seed. The seed is now encased in your poop, which is like fertilizer and then boom. You put in a color both in a tractor and a deterrent, right? So in nature, you have animals that have super, super vibrant colors that are the poisonous ones. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

Starting point is 01:05:39 That's a good point, absolute good point. No fruit is not essential. So watch out. You could get all the nutrients in whatever you want from vegetables and meat. But fruit is delicious. It does have some beneficial properties. There are certain polyphenols and flavonoids and stuff

Starting point is 01:05:56 that are found in fruit that are really good. High and vitamin C, which is hard to get in meat, for example. But I treat it like dessert. So for me, I don't necessarily eat lots of processed desserts or and stuff like that, but I do eat fruit. So if I'm gonna have a dessert, it's typically some kind of a fruit dish, and I may use honey.

Starting point is 01:06:16 Sometimes I don't. Sometimes it's just a bowl of strawberries or grapes or melon, and then that's my candy. Fruit is a lot different today by the way than it was thousands of years ago. We've actually bred fruit to be higher in sugar and lower in fiber. If you go online, you can look up old paintings

Starting point is 01:06:36 like from the Renaissance era, where they would paint like apples and watermelons and stuff and they don't look like the ones we eat now. And apple is like full of seeds and they're small. They're like crab apples, they're small and they'reons and stuff. And they don't look like the ones we eat now. And apple is like full of seeds. And they're small. They're like crab apples. They're small and they're full of seeds. A banana full of seeds.

Starting point is 01:06:51 It's homogram. You know that, there's a lot of really shitty painters back then. Puttin' dots everywhere. Big ass seeds inside there. I think it's important, though, to note that it is still at one of the best sources of fiber and many clients that I had taken on that were dieting already or trying to eat well.

Starting point is 01:07:12 And if you're not eating a lot of bobshit, you don't eat bread, you don't eat pasta, you don't eat a lot of these things that actually have a lot of fiber infused into them, right? When you go and you eliminate or you have minimal fruit, your fiber intake tends to be really low. And I feel a lot from vegetables. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:28 No, the amount of vegetables you have to eat to get the amount of fiber that you would need on a regular basis is really, really tough. You gotta be, no, if you were somebody who was eating four, six servings of vegetables every day, then absolutely you're right. Somebody who eats, you're the first person in my life I've ever met that eats a fucking giant bowl of vegetables.

Starting point is 01:07:47 Never seen anybody else do that. So you need to know that you're very rare when it comes that. So, some people would say, especially rare bird. Yeah. So, yeah, if you're someone like, so, or you eat, you know, bowls full of fruit just as a meal, I mean, vegetables as a meal,

Starting point is 01:08:02 then yeah, you're probably not, you're probably, you don't have to worry. But many, many clients of mine, when I assess their diet, fiber is one of all fiber and sugar and normally the two go to things that I have to adjust on somebody's diet to help them out. And it always makes a huge difference, like they'll be backed up for a couple days and not even really realizing, not a lot of people realize that it's probably pretty good that you shit every single day, at least once a day.

Starting point is 01:08:24 And some people think that it's just normal to shit every few days, and they don't understand why they feel all bloated and they looked that way. And then you look at their diet and they're getting 10 to 15 grams of fiber every single day, because they don't eat a lot of fruit.

Starting point is 01:08:36 They don't eat as much vegetables as someone like Sal does. And so all I have to do is add a couple of berries a day into their diet. And then boom, yeah, also in the fight. And also they see them start to lean out. They stop holding all the water, they're not loaded. So the fruit that I recommend people eat regularly

Starting point is 01:08:51 is avocado, which a lot of people don't realize avocados are fruit. So, but that's kind of different, a different category, right? Because it's fat, fat, some fiber. The other one that I typically would recommend to people, and this is for people with high blood pressure, is pulmgranate pomegranates and as a good fruit to eat for because it's got some there's some compounds into that naturally lower Your or at least what's called?

Starting point is 01:09:14 Vazo dilate so they help open and relax the blood vessels which lower blood pressure Well, nothing was it was that jackfruit that bang greenfield brought it was I don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that bad actually. Nothing. Is that the one that tastes like meat? Was that something else? No, it was kind of like a meaty cantaloupe. Yeah, it was thicker. I kind of skinned to it for sure.

Starting point is 01:09:34 I thought it was all right. It wasn't that bad. There's a lot of health properties used. I don't think you can beat berries in my opinion. I think blueberries are like berries. So that all berries, raspberries, blueberries, strawberries, all have the highest to the magical fruit zone, right? Where everything competes, where blueberries trumps all of them,

Starting point is 01:09:51 but then you're gonna get a SAE, you're gonna get goji, all these things come out of the woodwork. I teach clients berries, right? So at the end of the day, just target berries, they are the lowest in calorie and sugar to ratio of fiber. So in most people that don't get enough fruit or diet, tend to ratio of fiber. So most people that don't get enough fruit in their diet tend to lack in fiber. So if I'm trying to up their fiber,

Starting point is 01:10:10 I encourage them to do berries, because berries is going to do the least amount of calories, the least amount of sugar for the most amount of fiber. Yeah, that's right. I actually had a whole bowl last night, blueberries with the coconut whipped cream. Oh, that's so good. It's such a good dessert.

Starting point is 01:10:24 That's a staple. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That coconut whip He said, that's a good dessert. That's a staple. Yeah. That coconut whip is insane, and I think they're lying on the macros. There's no way. It's so sweet. It's like five calories. Yeah, it's like, oh, that's possible. Yeah, you can eat ice cream.

Starting point is 01:10:36 Yeah. It's totally curbed that for me. Like, I was a guy who ate ice cream, you guys know every single night, and then I went to like frozen yogurt for a really long time and the cocoa Whip has been like a game changer for me. So in my family and this is kind of a Mediterranean culture type of thing. At the end of dinner, we would always have especially if you have guests over Like there's more, you know, we would have our three or four courses and then you would have Nuts and fruit at the end always at the end of dinner. We would always bring out

Starting point is 01:11:05 It was always some kind of a melon, by the way, so it was like a can of lop or watermelon, and then nuts. So I've grown up eating fruit after dinner for most of my life. Today, I have avocados really, only fruit I eat every single day, and everyone's why I throw them, Paris.

Starting point is 01:11:20 Next question is from Paleo practitioner. Do women crave more sweets than men? And if so, why is this hormonal? This is a little speculation here. But, you know, I don't know, what do you guys think? Do you see in general that women crave more sweets than men do? I think chocolate is normal.

Starting point is 01:11:39 And I think that dark chocolate is one of the best sources of iron. And I think when they're on their period and they lose a lot of their red bullets. Or magnesium. Yep. And so I think that dark chocolate is one of the best sources of iron and I think when they're on their period and they lose a lot of their red bullets. Or magnesium. Yep. So I think that this is something. I just gotta be something there.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Yeah, so I used to recommend dark chocolate or foods that are really high in iron to my female clients during that time. So I think there's some science that supported. I think it's something that I've practiced for a really long time with clients and it's helped them out. So I do, I believe so. Yeah, I just pulled up a study that says that there actually was a study done on this and

Starting point is 01:12:12 it shows that women do create tend to crave more sweets and they're blaming it on estridial, which is a hormone that's much higher in women. Here's what I think. Now, in my experience as a trainer, training lots of clients, I have seen, I guess I could say women probably have more of an issue with sweets than men, but I'm gonna make some speculations as to why that may be the case.

Starting point is 01:12:34 One, I think there's higher pressures on women to diet than men, so guys don't really start watching their food and take until they start to get much older. When you're a dude in high school, you probably haven't been on a diet or anything like that, but a lot of girls have been because they're advertised to and, you know, the importance of the visual for women and all that stuff. So I think there's those pressures and you know how it is psychologically, right?

Starting point is 01:12:58 When you're told you can't have something, you tend to want it, you know, more of it. So there's not the naughty stuff. Exactly. There's that. Then there's the hormonal changes that women go through on a monthly basis. And I think people don't quite appreciate just how big of a shift in hormones that women go through every single month that men don't really experience at all. Like we don't experience this dramatic change in or hormone profile. and that can cause changes in how we feel and sometimes it causes women to feel kind of down and sweets do provide a temporary feeling of feeling better and so that may be also a reason why so I think it's the taboo and maybe the hormonal changes that create

Starting point is 01:13:40 that you know that kind of that that's stronger craving but you know when it comes to diet I'll tell you what though as a trainer, I mean, what do you think is harder for you to get men to eat a certain way or women? Man, men are hard for everything. Yeah, they're stubborn. I'm in our fucktards, man. Men are just like, they get so,

Starting point is 01:13:57 men are so stubborn because we think we know everything. So a man trying to tell another man how to work out, how to do any of that stuff is always a challenge. Women are least sort of receptive. Like women I feel like they want to get to the answer, they want to learn their more prone to healthy mindset. Like they want to be healthy, they want the family to be healthy, they're nurturing.

Starting point is 01:14:20 Yeah, we're just, I've helped way more women than men. We just do stupid shit. Way more women than men, for sure. no, it's true. It's true because It's so much harder to approach a man in the gym and you know help him out or whatever than it is to help a woman Right women tend to hire trainers at higher rates not because they know less But because they're more willing to ask for and I think to I mean, I don't know. Yeah, hormonally I'm sure there's a lot there, you know as far far as like comforting too, like as far as going through stress, like I don't know, it's such a generic statement

Starting point is 01:14:48 but I have seen that like women, a lot of times we'll eat food to comfort themselves, you know, more so, like I don't know many men, I mean, there's a lot of men that do that, but I just know like as a general, you know, sort of a thing that I do see that a lot more than women. Yeah, it is, and there is that whole stereotype, right? That, you know, when a woman and a man go on a thing, I do see that a lot more in women. Yeah, it is. And there is that whole stereotype, right?

Starting point is 01:15:06 That when a woman and a man go on a diet, the man's body tends to respond faster, which actually studies have shown that might actually be true. Now, I think that has more to do with the fact that men tend to carry more muscle on their body. So they may get less of that metabolic adaptation where your metabolism slows down. And when I've worked with clients,

Starting point is 01:15:27 the ones that have had the most difficulty getting their metabolism to heal, tend to be women. It's not as hard with men. I don't know, have you experienced that before? Oh, no, it's always easier to help a man with that stuff. See, it's easier to help a man with that because he's got, but he's also got testosterone on his side.

Starting point is 01:15:42 He has a lot, he has most of the most part. Most guys have more lean body mass than girls. Also, the female body evolved to also have to carry another life. And so when you put a woman on a really strict diet and you cut her calories too low, her body wants to resist. Yeah, it's going against the natural tendency to prepare.

Starting point is 01:16:04 Yeah, it wants to resist because it's, you know, whereas a man, it's just, I would think there's something to support too that while she's going through her, when she's ovulating and so if I said there's something biologically that it's probably, she's getting set off too to tell her that it's time to prepare your body for potentially something which may cause this desire to.

Starting point is 01:16:20 Well, so check this out. So, you know, we always talk about mini-bulks and mini- cuts, right? And how much more effective it is to, if you're going to die it, to go on a, you know, two week period of time or one week period of time and a calorie deficit and then to interrupt it with a few days of maintenance or surplus and then repeat so that you don't get that metabolic adaptation where your metabolism slows down. And then on the flip side, if you're trying to gain weight or gain muscle, you go on a bulk but every once in a while throwing a fast or throwing some low calorie days so that you

Starting point is 01:16:49 Minimize the fat gain and maximize your body sensitivity to food. So Jessica My girlfriend has she notices very strong Changes in her appetite that correlate with her her men's this right? So there's sometimes in the month where she's just fucking starving. And then there's other times in the month where she feels like she's fine without eating any food at all. And so we were having this conversation.

Starting point is 01:17:12 She's always, it always pisses her off where she'll, you know, there'll be times where she's super hungry, got lots of cravings and she's trying not to eat certain things and it ends up where she'll have a binge or something like that and then she'll feel bad about herself. So she came up with this brilliant idea and she's like, you know, we talk about listening to our bodies. You know what I'm going to do is I'm going to just listen to my body

Starting point is 01:17:31 and I'm going to mini bulk when my body wants to eat and I'm going to mini cut when my body doesn't want to eat. And the way she does it is rather than when she's hungry eating a bunch of food that isn't necessarily good for her, is she just eats more of the healthy stuff. So she'll eat more of the meat her is should you see to more of the healthy stuff So shall eat more of the meat more of the vegetables more of the fruit more of the whatever and then when she's not that hungry She just goes and she'll have days where she eats very little calories We're shall eat like 800 calories, but then she on some day shall eat like 2500 calories So I'm watching her do this over the she's been doing this now for I want to say three or four months

Starting point is 01:18:04 And her body's responding incredibly like incredibly when she's been doing this now for, I want to say three or four months, and her body's responding incredibly, like incredibly. When she's in that mini bulk period, her strength goes up and she gains lean body mass. She doesn't look like she gains body fat. And then when she goes down and drops everything, she just gets a little bit leaner. And she's, it's much easier for her because she's not fighting what she's feeling, where she has to, where she finds herself binging because she's fighting so much. And then, you know, that whole thing,

Starting point is 01:18:25 I talk about of that dictator, where you're fighting it, and then finally you rebel, and then you eat a bunch of food. And it's worked out really fucking well for her. So it just takes that whole, like, listening to your body to another, you know, whole, another level. And she started to track it, and I don't know exactly what it is, she would have to communicate it. I think if you go on her Instagram, she's written about it, but it's kind of an interesting theory, right?

Starting point is 01:18:49 It is, but really challenging for the average person to probably put that together. It's taken her months. Because it's another level of intuitive eating. I mean, it's intuitive eating to the ninth degree now. I mean, that's some ninja black belt shit for the average person. It's taken her like four months to kind of figure out.

Starting point is 01:19:02 I teach Katrina to do this. Like, so when she has these cravings where she wants to eat more is I always tell her like, you know, if your body wants more food, like allow to have more food, but then also make sure that your training is reflecting what you're doing colorically, right? So I will have a day where, you know, she'll tell me and this just happened the other day, like she's like, man, I'm really craving a burger. And I'm like, cool. I'm like, well, what's like, well, what's your training

Starting point is 01:19:26 been looking like the last day or two? Like, did you hit the gym? Did you just walk? Did you do some light work? Did you squat? What are you doing, right? In your training, did you get after it? And if she did, then I'm like, well, then shoot your body

Starting point is 01:19:37 right now, probably wants to be fed and wants to build some muscle, like let it happen. And then if she has it, I said, well, why don't we do this? Why don't we go train? Or let's save the burger night till tomorrow night after we get a good lift session in. And so we know that there's a good portion of them calories that are gonna go to good work versus you over consuming

Starting point is 01:19:55 when you really haven't put the work in for knowing that. So that served her really well. It served me really well during like off season of competing, that's kind of the thought process that I would always have is like, if my body is wanting more food, I want to feed it more food, but then I also want to make sure that I'm putting in the work inside the gym so that some of those extra calories that I consume get prioritized to building muscle versus what happens to most people.

Starting point is 01:20:18 See, most people have these cravings and it's because a lot of it is psychological, not just physical, they're sedentary. They're not doing something. They're depressed. They're sad or they not just physical. Most of it is. They're sedentary. They're not doing something. They're depressed. They're sad. They're just not feeling it today. So they want to eat.

Starting point is 01:20:29 And it's like, if you only knew that those times, a lot of the time, when you make the decision, it's not so much the food that is, quote, unquote, bad. It's that you just bad timing on your part. Like, you had the perfect storm. You've been sedentary all day. You didn't do shit. And then you'll eat that.

Starting point is 01:20:43 It's like, no, that wouldn't be good. It's not, it's rarely ever the day that you're motivated. You ate really three good meals already that day. You worked out really hard, you've been active. That promotes you wanting to stay good, but in reality, if you were gonna go over-consume or eat more food, that would be the time to do it. Not even with that, you need to have a good amount

Starting point is 01:21:00 of self-awareness because I could also see that being turned into something negative, right? Punish yourself in the gym. You know what I mean? Well, that or you see what the the bodybuilding community has done where they turn it into these bench and purge typos. Yeah. You know, oh, my cheat day, I get to go whatever I want or just absolutely turn X amount of

Starting point is 01:21:17 calories in order to eat this or punish yourself. Yeah, like, okay, I ate that burrito. Now I'm going to go beat the shit out of myself and the gym. Well, this is why I'm only mentioning it because I think you brought up an even higher level of intuitive eating. And I think what I just said is that even step before that because most people just honestly

Starting point is 01:21:35 are not ready for any of that. Most people still have not learned to listen to their signals. Most people are not aware enough to know that is this really hunger or is this more psychological or can really evaluate their day like that. Most of us are so detached from that that we just can't do that. So I think a good rule of thumb too is when you have, when you're hungry, you can eat more, but you can make good food choices while you do it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, oh,

Starting point is 01:21:59 I'm hungry. I used to tell clients that all the time, like I dare you to try and get fat on baked potatoes, chicken and steak, and vegetables. Like go for it. Like you're hungry, you're telling me you're hungry? Like eat it, eat those things all day long. Like see if you get fat on that. Most people, you'll get palate fatigue before you get fat. So I do this with my kids.

Starting point is 01:22:17 So they'll be sitting there watching TV and my kid will be like, I'm so hungry, I'm so hungry. And I'll be like, okay cool, we have some dinner from last night that I can warm up for you. I have a cheese stick where you can have some fruit. No, I don't want that. I want it. I'm like, well, you're not really hungry.

Starting point is 01:22:32 Yeah, I'm like, you're not actually hungry. If you're really hungry, then you'll want to eat those types of foods. What you're talking about is a craving, which is really not hunger. So you can say I have a craving, but don't say you're hungry. I'm trying to teach them the difference between two.

Starting point is 01:22:44 That's good. Next question is from Ray Ray Health. Is it okay to hit on a guy at the gym, not using a cheesy pickup line? It's, here's the thing about, there's a cool thing about being a woman. Is there a woman or is there a guy, Ray? This was a woman.

Starting point is 01:22:59 Okay, this is a guy. This is a Ray wanted to pick up on another guy. I mean, if they're wearing tights, I can go for it. I was like, dude, so easy, bro, just good. I know when he's squatting, he's smacking, bro. That's it, bro. You're already halfway there at that point.

Starting point is 01:23:10 Look at tight, bro. You're the thing, if you're a woman, it's probably almost always okay to head on a guy. You know what I mean? It's never a bad time. I mean, you know, and the thing, I mean, it happens so rare anyway. It does, and the thing is that,

Starting point is 01:23:23 this is why it's horrible. Or do you look hella thirsty as a chick doing that? You know what, but this is what I mean by that. You depend. Like if you're a man and you want to hit on a girl, you have to be very careful because if you come across in any way, threatening, it's never gonna be good. Like that's always bad, right?

Starting point is 01:23:39 So you have to be careful. Women almost never come across as threatening to them. Only one time on my life, did I ever feel threatened by a woman hitting on me? And it was funny because it was a paradigm shattering moment. This is when I had that woman who worked out on my gym, I remember this. Who followed me down the hallway and then cornered me

Starting point is 01:23:55 and was like trying to talk about my balls. Yeah, crazy. It's an old episode. You don't have to search for that one. But yeah, yeah, just go hit on them. tell them you think he's hot or something like that and talk to him. So easy like, God, guys are so easy to pick up on. It's got to be the most insane thing. I know. You know, I think we put so much pre people that always ask these questions. I think put so much pressure on

Starting point is 01:24:18 this whole like, how do I get you? I feel like the more you try, the harder you work at these things, the worse it is for you. I think at the feel like the more you try the harder you work at these things the worse it is for you I think at the end of the day if you like somebody the best possible thing you can do is start a conversation with them Like it does not need to be like this. I was never a guy with like a Rolladex of fucking objective. No rolladex have pickup lines that I would just use I was just always myself now I think and I think as you get comfortable doing that and just going up talking to strangers and introducing yourself You get smoother and you and you and you start to get responses from certain things that you say and then you and it kind of

Starting point is 01:24:54 Formulates into what I think some people think are lines or should they say? I'm sure if you were to unpack all the things that I've said to a female for the first time We I'm sure they probably sound like lines of somebody, but I didn't go into it, like I'm gonna walk over this grill and I'm gonna spit this line. I'm gonna go talk to this grill, I'm gonna keep talking to these people that I like or these people I wanna communicate.

Starting point is 01:25:13 And over time, I'll say different things that are funny or that I think you start to learn what that is. And so then it gets more comfortable and it gets easier for you to do this. I think going into this and putting so much pressure around, can I, can I not? What do you say? What do you not say?

Starting point is 01:25:29 It's like, fucking say hi. What do you say next to another human? You need with that, right? You lead with just, like, a normal conversation. Hi, hello, you know, your name you're trying to get to know them. And then you start being receptive to their body language immediately.

Starting point is 01:25:40 That's how you know, like, whether, you got a chance or not, you know? It's like, they're gonna reveal that, like, pretty quickly. Right, if she doesn quick right if she doesn't like if he or he doesn't like completely even take his headphones off Yeah, it was up. Yeah, yeah, it's not making eye contact like get your high in and then walk away I think try another day. Yeah, you'll know if he's short I mean, I've gotten hit on the gym my girl and I have my you know, I'll just real short with her like okay Yes, no, whatever and then do my stuff right? It's that wife short with her, like, okay, yes, no, whatever, and then do my set, but. Right, set. It's that wife-beater, bro.

Starting point is 01:26:06 Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, fuck. What's the, they love that shit? It's like flies, dude. They love that shit. One time, one time, this was crazy. All over it. One time, I was working out,

Starting point is 01:26:15 and I was doing, like, Roman chair sit-ups, and this girl walks up to me, and no joke, she grabs my, I did have a wife-beater on, fuckers. She did. She grabbed it, she walks up to me, and a wife beat her on fuckers. She did. She grabbed it. She walks up to me and I'm like, huh? And you don't expect someone to kind of walk up to you looking at you like that. So I'm like, what's going on?

Starting point is 01:26:31 She pulls up my wife beat her and like rubs her hand on my stomach and she's like, nice abs. I have never been hit on like that my entire life. It's aggressive. Yeah. You guys that you have any story like that? Gross can do that. I've had my butt grabbed quite a few times.

Starting point is 01:26:43 No, in the gym. In the gym and at the restaurant. The restaurant the most. It was weird. This is a server? Well, no, like some, I've had managers and I've had other staff. You had a manager grab your butt?

Starting point is 01:26:54 Yeah, oh yeah. She was aggressive. No way. She tried to like pull me into the freezer and make out. And it was like my manager. What'd you do? I was like, yeah. I think I was just scared. I just kind of did the magician,

Starting point is 01:27:09 I magician my way out of it. No, I didn't like her. I mean, I was like debating it, you know? But at that time, I was like, I was so professional about everything. You know, I didn't even think about messing around and doing stuff like at my job. You know, all that stuff kind of went over my head.

Starting point is 01:27:26 And then later I realized, like, oh wow, she was trying to go for it. Oh man, what if I did? Adam, you got any stories? You know what, I got a lot of, like Justin, I was really professional. And I've had a girl come up to you and like, I have had, yeah, I've had all that.

Starting point is 01:27:42 I've had a girl grab my ass, I've had a girl rub my stomach, I've had a girl rub my chest, I've had girls take off their top when I'm gonna go to do their body fat, like they need to take their broth. Sure, I have to. Oh my God, yeah, I've had to take my picture. Dude, that happened to me.

Starting point is 01:27:54 Where'd all your clothes go? That happened to me. You know, early on, I, right away, like, I was 20 years old when I got in the gym in the street and when I was working with other trainers, and I was, so I was the young one. I was also a virgin, right? was so I was the young one I was also a virgin right so I was a good boy and I Right away one of it was very easy for me to connect how many of these trainers just were fucking everybody in the gym or wanted to fuck

Starting point is 01:28:15 Everybody in the gym like yeah, it was a lot of that. It was like it was like make some money train clients and try and sleep with many How hot girls you could and I really I put it together really quick, the ones that were super professional, how much they separated themselves. And it was something that I, 100%. So I went out of my, and then it was, it ended up being a strength of mine because I did get girls that hit on me. I did have options and opportunity like that.

Starting point is 01:28:37 I did get a lot of really good looking women that I got the opportunity to train. But because I kept myself so professional, I think that was a lot of my success had to do that because I wasn't the best trainer, but I was really professional and I did give a lot of good information that I could in my clients. Jim's are like, no, those are the best clients because you don't give them. You don't give it to them. Right, right.

Starting point is 01:28:55 No, I'll be the first to make a transition. I had female clients that 100% openly told me they wanted to sleep with me, that trained with me for years because I didn't and I know that. I'm not stupid. I think I've already taught this girl everything I know. She's been with me for years because I didn't. And I know that. I'm not stupid. It's like, I've already taught this girl everything I know. She's been with me for a year and three days a week. Like, you don't need any more information from me like that. You know what I'm saying? But I know in the back of her mind, she's there's probably hope for that to happen. I'm not stupid, but I don't play into it. I continue to be

Starting point is 01:29:18 professional and then I'm sure she keeps hanging around hoping that it's going to happen. You just made me remind me when I was 18, one of my first clients that terrified the shit out of me, it was this young woman, so she's probably in her 20s, and I do go to do her body fat and she had a dress on, and so she's like, can you test my body fat? Said, yeah, I need to test it. And she just lifted her dress up and she had nothing on underneath.

Starting point is 01:29:41 Terrified the shit out of me as a kid. I was going very frightened from that. That was frightening. He's great members. Well, I'm an 18 year old kid. She's in her mid 20s. I'd never seen, the girl never did that. He's on the receipt of a vagina.

Starting point is 01:29:52 He's still not in it. Never seen a vagina. She had a penis. Scared the hell out of me. That would scare the shit out of me. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Damn, these days he wasn't expecting that one.

Starting point is 01:30:02 I don't know what to do with that. Just ended up marrying his client. So I did. Yeah, so I did. After the same thing,'t expecting that one. I don't know, let's do that. Just then ended up marrying his client, so I did. Yeah, so I did. After the same thing, I pulled that move. Dude, but I fired her as a client beforehand, so yeah, I at least pulled that out. Did you actually tell her I can't train you more

Starting point is 01:30:13 because I want to date you? I did that. I didn't say I wanted to date you, but I say I can't train you more. Like, is this getting kind of unprofessional? And then I passed her off to a trainer that this girl trainer that I was friends with and I was like, you know, like, like, give me updates and whatnot.

Starting point is 01:30:29 You know what I mean? I kept her close, but yeah, no, I knew right away I was gonna be on professional and I was like, I can't do this. It's gonna ruin my brand. I love your time. That was the exact same way I did this girl Kelly who ended up living with me for two years

Starting point is 01:30:43 that I really liked the first appointment I had with her. We ended up going for like, I didn't have a client after so we ended up going for like two hours and we're just talking and talking and talking. And I ride away, I was like, man, I really liked this girl. And I told her, the very, the first fitness point, I said, hey, I know we're scheduled to do another one because back then you used to have a fit one, fit two, right?

Starting point is 01:31:00 I said, I'm actually gonna book it with another trainer and I know you're already interested in training. If you do get training, then I'll set you up with one of my best trainers at work here. And she's like, what? I want you, instead of saying, no, I'm actually gonna book it with another trainer. And I know you're already interested in training. If you do get training, then I'll set you up with one of my best trainers at work here. And she's like, what? I want you, this time I said, no, I like you. I want to date you. And so we can't train together.

Starting point is 01:31:12 And she's like, floored right away. Of course I got the date though after that. So I think it was a lot of my- But you sold her training. Yeah, absolutely. I got all the commission on that. Still business first. 60 section.

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