Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 741: How to Get Rid of Man Boobs, the Body Weight "Set Point" Myth, Meal Timing Differences for Men & Women & MORE

Episode Date: April 4, 2018

Organifi Quah! iTunes Review Winners! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the difference in meal timing for men and women and how it affects body composition, what really happens when you foam roll, if the theory that the body has a weight "set point" is real and the best way to address man boobs. Mind Pump “Spring Break” Weekend Update: (5:20) Adam goes to Tahoe Justin goes to Socal with the family (6:00) Great debate: Legoland vs. Disneyland?? Buffets need to die! Sal, Jessica and kids go hiking (18:50) Empowering his kids through challenges Ready Player One instant classic! (30:18) Adam gushes about Billions (32:00) As a trainer, it was mind-blowing! Sal and Jessica see Cirque du Soleil Crystal. (34:00) The battle is on! Walmart introducing Next-Gen Test Stores. (46:27) Is efficiency taking our jobs? The guys get into a great discussion. Adam’s Organifi Recipes! 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Yeah, man, we talk about it anyway. Versus Legoland, which one's better, which one wins, which one to just the day you have. Yeah, there's a huge difference. Totally, Molly. Then we talk about lessons learned from a hiking weekend. Took my kids hiking, did some six mile hikes with my eight year old daughter.

You guys are such good kids. You made every cry. It was good. We talked about behind the scenes of the Cirque du Soleil. That was an interesting one. And then we talked about Walmart's move to automation and the impact of tech on business. And finally, Adam mentioned some organifi recipes. If you go to organifishop.com, enter the code MindPump, you will get a discount.

Then we get into the questions. The first question was, is there a difference in meal timing for men and women? In other words, if we eat small meals versus less frequent meals, how does it affect men? How does it affect women? Which one's better for fat loss? Which one's better for muscle building? Or does it not matter at all? The next question was if we're not breaking up fascia with foam rolling then what the hell is actually going on?

Why do we like foam rolling so much? I like pain. The next question was do we subscribe to the theory that our body has a set point now? This is the theory that you have a particular body weight your body as a set point. Now, this is the theory that you have a particular body weight, your body inherently wants to be at, and no matter where you wanna go, if it's higher or lower, your body's gonna fight you to bring you at this magical set point.

Not real. Yep, it might actually be. Excuse me. Bullshit. And finally, somebody asks us, what's the best way to address man boobs? Is there a technique with exercising nutrition? First acknowledge them.

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Oh, hello. You guys have a good Easter. Did you, you know what? I really didn't do anything. Nothing? Well, I mean, I did something, but I didn't do anything for Easter. Do you guys gonna do like Easter?

Funny stuff. Well, there's no kids anymore. I'm saying all my siblings that have kids or that are young enough to even do that are kind of moved away and gone. And plus we were in Tahoe, right? So I went up to Tahoe with Katrina and with Taylor for the weekend, just got away.

You know, we rented up, rented some nice house up in the snow and there's kind of hung out, chilled out there for a little bit with nature. That's nice. Yeah, true nice. Yeah, it was nice. How about you Justin? Yeah, I went to San Diego.

Oh yeah, you went to Lego land. Yeah. And midway. Lego land. Really you don't like it? Oh, dude, come on. Really and you went to Lego lamp. Yeah, and midway. Lego land. Really you don't like it? Oh, dude, come on. Really, and you're a Lego guy. I'm a big Lego guy too.

I like Lego land, you know what I was terrible. Why? It's like, so just getting in there took like 45 minutes to an hour, you know, like they're so ineffective, inefficient, like there's just so many things. They have like good ideas. What's the hell of people there?

So many people. Oh, like it, anyways, it was just like, you get on a ride, it lasts all of like, you know, 20 seconds and it's over. And then you like wait another 45 minutes to get on another ride. Is it like a theme park? Yeah, it's a theme park.

Oh, I didn't know that's what it was. What's cool about it is so they have like some areas where you can play with Legos and like the kids can kind of go do their thing and all that Which is great and you can look at it But it's like they only had it at certain Like rides where one of them they had it in the middle and like oh this is brilliant You know like they have a great idea here like you're waiting in line your kids can just go in the middle and play with Legos The little time you're towards the front. I was like, that's a fucking brilliant idea.

That was only one roller coaster they did that with. I'm like, what the fuck, why wouldn't you do that with all of them? Yeah, you know what? It's cause it's spring break. I bet you the crowd was massive. Oh, why do you get that? It's probably sunny.

Yeah, there's probably that. I don't know, I just wasn't, I don't know. I guess it's hard to compare theme parks to Disneyland because it makes you appreciate Disney for what they do. Dude, it's so much, dude. It was, to me, it's like a glorified Gilroy Gardens. That's what Lego landed. Shit, no Lego land, all right.

Oh, shit, right. Well, you're right on top of all of it. Disneyland is the, that's, they are the, they create the standard of it. It comes to organization when it comes to security. I don't know if you guys do customer service. Shit's on everybody. Oh, it's incredible. So I heard, I don't know if this is true, but I've heard it from several people and it

sounds true, but I'm not sure if it is. Sounds true. I don't know if it's true. After September 11th, I think the government went to Disney and tried to learn from them because their security that they do at Disneyland is incredible. How they're able to secure the park and how they're able to do IDs and check ins and stuff. I think that they consulted with Disneyland because it was, it's so effective and so good. It's so efficient.

I mean, really? Getting off the freeway, park right away, like everything works. Bro, did you know, it's so weird, I would think like, cause in 9-11, they'd go somewhere like maybe the Pentagon, you know what I'm saying? The Pentagon got hit. They're like, Disneyland is safe.

Let's go find out. Well, dude, let's go find out. You know those whole underground, right, at Disneyland? Yeah. We're like, if something happens with a kid, they'll shut the eggs, like immediately, you tell someone, boom, they shut the exits, they've got cameras, they'll look for certain things,

and there's a lot of tech that they use there that people don't know about. Well Debbie, you know, that's funny, you bring this out of them. Now you're gonna make me wanna go down. I know, I wanna go get that out. The Google Rava Hole because I have never heard of someone getting kidnapped from Disneyland.

And if you're a kidnapper, that has to be one of the best places to get kidnapped. Yeah, you've only heard like a measly outbreak or something. If you're a professional kidnapper, I mean Disneyland has got to be on the list of like places to try, right? Maybe, and that's a thing. Or maybe not to fuck with.

And think about this, if you're Disneyland, you know that nothing will kill your sales like kids going missing. That's like the worst, right? So they take that shit right. So maybe we don't even know this, but Mickey and Minnie and Goofy, they're all like fucking ex-command deals.

Yeah, seals and green berets that are underneath there, right? Well, no, I've, so I had a friend who I had a friend who, he, I had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend who had a friend and they were both young. So I know they were both like five or maybe younger. And he turned around to tie one of his kids shoes for like 10 seconds, turns back around, couldn't find his daughter. At all. At Disneyland? At Disneyland. Panic.

Panic. Looks, looks, looks. And he knows like he's like, okay, I'm gonna tell someone right away. This is what you should do, by the way. If you can't find your kid, it's just better safe than sorry. So he told one of the people that works there, all the entrances locked down immediately.

They were looking for the kid and they saw, and this is what I heard through another person. I didn't talk to this person directly, but he told the people, this is what her shoes look like, this is what her jacket looked like, and there was someone walking with holding the kid and covering them and all they could see was walking with, like holding the kid and covering them and all they could see was the shoes,

like trying to kidnap his kid and they saw it on the cameras and come back. No way. Yeah, that's the story I heard, so I don't know. Really? But their security is supposed to be like insane, but they're super organized. It is new and all day.

Yeah. Well, they also have a lot of people. Wait, a lot of people that are working there, that are like undercover working there. I don't know if you know that. So they have, I don't know that. Yeah, so this I do know, so they have a lot of people that are working there that are like undercover working there. I don't know if you know that. So they have a lot of people that are blend into the crowd but that are employees. So of course you have some employees that are named tagged

and they're there to do certain jobs but then they also have employees that are working just to help with the experience that are paying attention to customer service and helping people so that's kind of their way to do. I'm like man, people that didn't end is so nice. This random guy just gave me direction. Dude.

Yeah, yeah. I told you guys, for my sister's 30th, that's what she wanted to do. So that's not, I mean, got it now. It's got to get old, almost five years ago now. So five years ago, we went there and I remember, like from the moment we pulled up to the parking lot, like we pulled up, now I'm 30,

something at this, 32 at this time, right? And 31 at this time. moment we pulled up to the parking lot. Like we pulled up, I'm 30, something at this, 32 at this time, right? And 31 at this time. And I hadn't been to Disneyland since 1999 when I graduated high school. And so I didn't remember, and I was a young dumb drumk high school kid when I was at there the fucking high school thing. So I'm not paid a touch to customer service.

Since in the middle of the night, so it wasn't the same. So I really haven't been there since I was at their the fucking high school thing. So I'm not paid a titch to customer service. It's in the middle of the night, so it wasn't the same. So I really haven't been there since I was like a child, so I don't remember that experience. Now I'm here coming as a 30 year old adult, right? We roll up to the first little gate to get into the parking lot. And the guy like, you know, ask these like, oh, is this your first time here?

I'm like, no, we've been here, but I haven't been here since I was a kid, you know, and the guy, so he gets out of, you know, they're in those little tool booth looking things or whatever, he, we've been here, but I haven't been here since I was a kid, you know, and the guy, so he gets out of, you know, they're in those little toll booth looking things or whatever. He gets out, you know, walks around with the car, pulls up a map of all of Disneyland, and says, you know, where you go?

And he just starts asking all these questions about what we're doing, and you wanna go here and check this out. They'll help you out here. If you need any help with this, go to this person, they'll say this to you. If you need anything for here, this, that, anything else I can do for you.

And we're like, this is the guy getting our, letting us into the parking lot. And I'm like, whoa dude, like that was like, well you pay for all that service too, because that is expensive man. When you go to Disneyland, if you go with two kids, like two, you and your wife and two kids,

you're gonna spend a lot of damn, how much is the two? Don't you? It's like almost two hours on, right? For one, well that's the go to the other, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna say to you guys, you can get to work one. Yeah, well, that's the go to the other. It's crazy Yeah, I don't know I do I do like I do I do I mean Thankfully the kids love Lego land right so that was all it mattered But like it is not it was not set up for for adults or to be efficient like even you know how they have fast passes at like

Disney land so they had they do like this nickel and dime thing. We have to buy these like, I don't know what they're like. They're little like tags that you have to like upgrade to be able to get on. And you each person has to buy one and they're like an extra like 25, 50 bucks each. It's just to be able to get on these rides and not wait in the line and all that kind of stuff, which is like, you know, if it was like just me and one other person, it might make sense, you know, and if I really like Legoland, but the...

Waiting in line with two kids. Dude, you know, it's really cool to see examples of this in business, I think they're so neat, because I remember being a kid going to Disneyland and being a kid and going to Great America. And when you look at where both those companies are now, and what they charge, I I mean great America gives away Access like when I was a kid great America was like $60 to get access and then you like a season pass

We could use to get season passes for like four or five hundred dollars or something crazy Like they're a season pass now. It was like $89 or a hundred and something bucks And you have a season pass to go to great America whenever you want and And so they had to play the price game of just like lowering, lowering, lowering, lowering. They just charge everything else in the park. Well, you know, it's not even that. It's just that it's they're struggling to keep people there. It's just like the water parks. We used to have a big water park by where I used to grow up and it shut down just because people started going.

They get nasty. They get run down. I mean, Great America's turned into kind of kind of trash. He did it. When we were kids, it wasn't. It wasn't that bad. No, it wasn't it. It was the jam. were kids, it wasn't. It was really, it wasn't a jam. It was the jam, man. It was a cop gun.

Right. It was a cool place to be. And it's not. Is it great America still? Or just six flags, great America. Six flags. Yeah, and it's just, it's a little ghetto now. It's not as nice anymore.

And you see what's happening. They've had to play the Price Wars game. And then you see a company like Disneyland, who's, I remember going to Disneyland for a lot cheaper. I was under a hundred dollars a ticket when I went, when I was a kid, like, and now look where it's at. I mean, they've been able to raise their prices. Go look at staying at the Disneyland hotels. I say there, that's where you save it.

Yeah, yeah, that'll kill you, that'll break the bank. Well, that was, it's one of those things. If you're gonna plan this big trip with your kids and stuff and make it memorable and whatever, I think it should be worth it, right? Yeah, well with your kids, you're already trying to manage everything and it's chaotic and this and that, so it's nice when it's all already thought of for you. You know, so it's worth it a lot of times when you go on that level, but yeah. We also went to this brunch in San Diego for Easter, which was great,

but I was like, I started to, I don't know, it was something about brunch and buffets, like it just doesn't rub me the right way. It's just like, everybody's just fucking gorgeous out, it's disgusting. I just like, I can't stand watching people like, like, oh, I gotta have like earned my money's worth and like stack plates and fucking eat like a fat fuck.

Dude, have you been, one's last time you went into a lot. I just gross. When you went to that time, you've been into like a hometown buffet. That's what, the buffet's need to die. It's like, why not enjoy food, you know,

just a nice, like, oh my God, this is the best thing I've ever had versus like, I just had a fucking you know a pound You know five pounds of steak and eggs and crammed in some brownies and all kinds of shit The that's the selling point the selling point is all you can eat. Yeah, I mean, it's so that's why you go there Disgusted I used to go to home pal and buffet post workout I was one of my jam dude at home I mean buffet style and all you can eat sushi are like two no-nose for me.

That's like, no, absolutely not. I'm not going to eat it. All you can eat sushi just doesn't sound right. No, it doesn't. I remember my, so I remember this is my, it's my luck, absolutely. I remember one of the last times I went to sushi with one of my buddies who claims to love sushi.

And he took me to his place and we get there and sit down and it's like, all you can eat sushi. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? All the amazing sushi places we have in the Bay Area. And you take me to an all you can eat sushi. Are you fucking kidding me? All the amazing sushi places we have in the Bay Area, and you take me to an all you can eat sushi. Bro, do you not understand how they can even do that? Let me break this down for you real quick.

Yeah. There's like three levels of sushi that the sous chefs can order, right? Or whoever the fuck owns the company, right? Orders to do that. And they pay less money when they do the buffets or do the all you can eat. They can't afford fresh off the boat that morning to your place, you know, type of sushi

for, you know, that cheap of a price. You just would go out of business. So what they do is they get the lower grade sushi so they can do that. And so we're eating shitier sushi. Like I know it before I even bite into it. Are you idiot? No, it's not fucking good. Doesn't work't work that way yeah the quality has to go down you can't convince me how good it's like gas station sushi sushi yeah yeah yeah yeah sushi a

chevron good idea yeah that's a delizz that's it yeah no I took so for for our spring break we did have a good idea yeah a time so you did that you did what did you guys do anything else or just yeah well uh we also went to opening day for the San Diego Padres, which was a lot of fun. That's clear there for opening day. Yeah, they had to, like, what was cool is it's like, nobody really takes baseball seriously there. So it's like all about like the ambiance and like,

so they had all the stuff set up for kids to kind of like hit wiffle balls and stuff, you know, you know in the back and that's smart. Yeah it was very family friendly and so yeah we had a great time. The thing is even you know the buffet all that like labeling we still had a great time I had a great time hanging out with my kids and stuff so and then they just like played in the sand and you know went to the beach and dug up a bunch of what was the tempo up there. It was like 75, pretty much, you know, fine. I thought it was so crazy, because I was watching your Insta story,

and you're in like 75, 78 degrees, and I'm over in like 40 years, and we're in the same state. Oh, snow. I love our, that's what I love California. Like, wearing California can, you and your buddy, drive different directions in the state, and then one of us is up in the snow.

No, you're one to two hours away from snow or beach. You know, warm or cold or whatever. It's awesome. Would you do so? We took, so I wanted to do, I was hikes somewhere. Yeah, so I wanted to do, like, different, I wanted to do hikes each day with my kids

and we just do the whole experience. So we bought them camel backs and I got them hiking shoes and I prepped and because my daughter's eight. So, you know, hiking with an eight year old is a little, that's going to be challenging right because she's got little legs so like you know like you know four miles that's like you know 20 for her tiny little, you have to carry her at all. No so we had a conversation beforehand.

So first off getting the gear really pumped them both up but my son's 12 so he's cool but for my eight year else she got really excited. So she's like, oh, I get to carry my own water. And I'm like, yeah, in the day before, we're gonna go to the grocery store. I want you to pick out what you're gonna eat for lunch because halfway through the hike, we're gonna stop and we're gonna make a picnic.

So the deal was she got to pick whatever she wants. So she picked fucking Lunchables. Can you believe that? Watch my daughter eat Lunchables. I feel like she's smoking a cigarette right from her. Yeah, man. I was like, oh. Nasty meat and processed cheese.

And all things too. You know what, you know what, what a good example though of like this is, this is a part of the bartering piece though, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, you know, she's gonna do something like this. I don't want to actually look at Ford too. You know what I mean, an extra hard, right?

I'm not trying to make it so taboo that, you know what I mean? That she ends up rebelling and stuff. So I wanted to know like, I told her, you can pick whatever you want, as long as it's within reason. And she picked, you know, and of course, of all the luncheon, she picks the pizza one. I'm like, God, not only are you getting disgusting luncheon, but you're like, disgracing our heritage.

It's not even pizza. But anyway, so they picked- They got to pick their own food. She's all- Is that pineapple on it? No. Okay, at least they would be like the draw, right? No, okay. They got to pick their own food. She's all set up. I'm not on it. No, okay, they would be like the draw, right? No, okay.

This is not what you get too far. Yeah. She got the shoes, we got the camel backs, and then all, you know, the day before I have a conversation with them, I'm like, okay, so this is what hiking is like. It's difficult. It's gonna be challenging. We're gonna be tired.

And then Jessica taught me a while ago, this term called type two fun Have you guys heard of this? Yeah, you shared on the podcast show that was you guys well So I didn't I never knew that before so type two fun is when delayed gratification. Yeah, while you're doing something It's not necessarily enjoyable. It's afterwards when you think about it I'm like wow that was really cool and hard hikes tend to be like that right while you're doing them Your hot and you're sweating and you're tired But then afterwards like you're so happy that you did it.

So I explained that to them. I said, look, this is gonna be type two fun. While you're doing it, it's gonna be really challenging. I said, but I actually, I think you guys are ready for this, and I told my daughter, I said, I think you can make this the entire way. I'm really, I think you're strong enough. I think you have enough persistence.

So I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to get her all psyched up. You know what I mean? I'm trying to pump, pump her up. So the first day we went to the pinnacles and it was hot up there. It was actually 85, which is, wow, yeah, which is pretty hot to hike. It's a pretty, it's a pretty decent temperature for hiking. So we started our hike.

We did six miles with the kids of a hike and it was a lot of climbing and it was a lot of this different stuff. And I could just, my daughter just poor little kid, you know, she's drinking her water through her camel back and everyone's so washers like, I need to stop right now. So we're like, okay, so sit down, she'll stop. And I'll be like, what's the matter?

She's like, my leg's hurt. I'll be like, okay, like, well, we need to go again. We're taking too long. She'll be like, okay, and so we'll keep going. So we were like, maybe a mile or three quarters of a mile away from this one particular cave that I wanted them to see, but they were fried. She was fried, she's sitting down, she's like, I don't think I can go anymore.

You might have to carry me. She's getting all like, and so I told them, I said, well, I said, we've went this entire way. I said, you're going to miss the most important part, but I'll leave it up to you. You can totally do it if you want. I said, but, you know, I said, you know, champions tend to want to finish. You know, so if you want to be one of those kind of people. So I give the speech, right?

And so, and then I do the takeaway close. So then we're like, all right, guys, let's just head back. We're going to miss it. And so then my daughter stands up. She's like, no, we're going to go. We're going to do this. And she starts taking off. So I'm so proud.

So we get to the very end. Then we're on our way back. It's hot, everybody's sweating. Probably, I'm not even lying. How far would it be from here to the front of the facility? Not here, but the front of the facility. Oh, the front of the 50 yards. Maybe 50 yards.

But 50 yards away was the car. So we go around the bend, and now you can see our car. That's when she loses her shit. Because now she can see, it makes me. It all comes crashing. It reminds me of when you ever have to go like the bathroom's so bad and you're holding it and then when you see the toilet,

that's when you're like, go quick, literally can't handle it anymore. So she sees the car about 50 yards away and then she starts losing her shit from, she starts losing her mind. I can't do, I don't know if I can anymore. I'm like, the car's right there. You start knocking together.

I'm like, you can see the car's right there, but I can't. I don't know what I'm feeling right now. Something I'm feeling something. She doesn't even have words to put like what she can feel, but we finally get there. And we know where we are. How is your son?

He did no problem. No problem. Then the next day we went to Wilder Ranch, which is, you know where that is? Yeah. Dude, I didn't you know where that is? Yeah. Dude, I didn't even know that place existed. Like Mustang Ranch? No, so it's not, no, it's not a brothel.

They're too young for that. Hey kids, so look at how triplets this. We went, no, it's a hike along the coast and it's a bunch of cliffs and it's gorgeous and there's one part where you can hike down and go to this secluded beach and you can see all these see all like in the same vicinity or each day you drove to these are different different days. This is a highway one yeah. Yeah, you can see sea lions and stuff. So then we did that second. Oh, well that's neat. So each day you kind of plan a different hike.

We plan a different hike and and the kids were just we had a great time. We got home and everybody slept real good that night of course. They ran back a second hike even after the first second day. Yep. Yep. Well, it wasn't too sore second hike even after the first one. Second day, yep, yep. Well, it wasn't too sore the next day. They were sore, they were for sure sore. And so then I explained to them of how, what I gave my daughter the talk about, both my kids about, active recovery,

and how that's good for your legs and stuff like that. So the whole time what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to empower them to feel like, because it's challenging as hell for a little kid, especially decondition kids. And let's be honest hell for a little kid, especially de-conditioned kids. And let's be honest, most kids nowadays are, even if they play sports, they're just not conditioned. That moment will pay you 10 fold down the road.

I guarantee you that, but it's someone who'd never height with his family or did anything like that. I just didn't care to do it ever until someone finally got, and I was like, ah, hike, fuck you, I'm not hiking, I have no desire to hike. Until I had someone actually make me, I didn't have to treat it, and I do this all the time.

It's like one of my favorite things to do to you. It's how you frame it, you know? It's how you frame it for your kids. So, you know, I'm framing it with like, I'm talking about nature, I'm talking about grounding, I'm talking about, you know, the benefits of it were away from electronics, and this is what electronics do to you.

And then the challenge aspect of it, and afterwards, after the first and second hike, I gave them a speech, and I said, I am really, I said, yes, there was some complaining, but I'm really proud of what you did. And then I told my daughter, I said, you know, we hike six miles, but for you, that's like eight miles because your legs are so small.

I said, so I'm really proud of you. Make sure to tell your friends what you did. And so you could tell she was kind of pumped up about it or whatever. And then we had the Easter party at my aunt's house and then she gets this big, really complicated Lego set that no way she would have ever done on her own because she gets too frustrated.

But I think the hike kind of gave her this mentality where I'm gonna overcome. So then the other morning she puts together this Lego set and she's definitely some frustrating moments but then she figured out on her own and she was super. And it was really cool. And you know, watching that, I was thinking about how we talk so much about how challenges what gives life meaning and how it's the process, it's not the goal. And it dawned on me. What better example of that is than then Legos. You would just went to Legoland. How many Legos would they fucking sell

if they sold it already made for you? Like glued together. Here's your toy. They sell none. There's nothing, right? There's nothing there. And when you're done, it's over. The fun part is the process.

Right. This is that you can apply this to your fitness. When you're thinking about your, and I thought about this, as I'm watching her, and I'm looking at this, I'm like, it's definitely challenging for her. She you're thinking about your, and I thought about this, is I'm watching her, and I'm looking at this. I'm like, it's, it's definitely challenging for her. She's having a tough time, but no way, which she have nearly as much fun or

enjoy herself or have any meaning if I just gave her the toy made. I'll put together. That's interesting. You put that to the other because I've also kind of had that moment where like they're, they're in the moment of like building something out of the Legos. And my son is, he's very, very good about going through the directions and like building something out of the Legos. And my son is, he's very, very good about going through the directions and like building it all the way to the end and completion and shows me and like, it's awesome. It's great. But I start to challenge him a little bit on like, I want to see something from your own mind. I want you to create something that doesn't exist. You know, like something that you want to make, like a, some kind of a spaceship, like show me something something, like, and so he's been really like challenging himself to come up with ideas

and like he's, he's built some of the most crazy things I've ever seen, like, and like I got him this Lego table and everything and he built this whole fortress for all of these little guys that we got him and started to make like little stop-motion film with them battling. So it's just crazy to watch like the creative spark kind of happen, you know, just by just trying like intentionally to really work on expressing that. Do you see a difference between each boy

like as far as like who's more creative than the other? Is there a big difference? Yeah, right now I I mean, Ethan's older and so he's like, he's really kind of coming into his own as far as like having creative ideas and like expressing, and he's very, he's very builder kind of motivated. Like he loves building Legos and showing them

and like, he's really into, of course, he's really into war and stuff because he's a boy. And Ethan's the one that's less into sports, right? Yeah, he's less, he's less into, he's more into war and stuff because he's a boy. And Ethan's the one that's less into sports, right? Yeah, he's less, he's less than, he's more into sports to hang out with his friends and like the experience of it. No, not at all. Yeah, and then Everett on the other end of it

is totally more of the competitive. Like, and I think too, that being the younger, like less, like he's always trying to be stronger than Ethan, like trying to pick him up and like trying to out wrestle him. And so he's like very, very much more competitive. Now this is rare that this happens, but sometimes you see this in families

where like the younger brother ends up be bigger and kind of tougher. Do you foresee him kind of being that? Like as they get older, like he's gonna be kind of that badass and like, yeah, it could happen. I mean, that's what happened with me and my brother. So, you know, it was kind of like,

so you call on your older brother pussy right now But I just I'm in everything you know every sport that existed. I hope you listen to so Well, except for ping pong, but who cares about that? It's like real sport, bro Hello I mean he can read like way more books in me You know you get read more books so you can play ping pong. He can have that on me.

I guess about it. It's tough to tell with young kids too, because a lot of times they stay changed. As they get older. Like my youngest, my youngest sister was just this insane little rascal that would climb things and cry and she was stubborn as fuck. And for sure everybody was like,

oh, when she's a teenager, you guys are screwed. And then the other, my other younger sister was a super quiet timid, played with dolls, like kind of did everything she was told, and everybody was like, oh, she's gonna be so easy. And then when they became teenagers, it was like they swapped, totally swapped. My younger, the one who's the crazy one,

was like at home all the time reading and super quiet. And then my other sister was like the party animal going crazy And it's just it's funny. So you never know. Yeah, you never know. That's the things just speculating Yeah, I could kind of see like one verse. Yeah, but yeah You never know it might switch through some point speaking of creativity. Did you guys watch ready player one? I haven't watched don't even do not talk about knocking a ruin. I do not talk I'm just gonna say thisate do not talk about I'm not gonna ruin it. I do not talk. I'm just gonna say this right now. Instant classic.

Instant movie the year. Instant classic. 100% I'm gonna do that. That's all the elements that I love. No, I hear it. I'll say that I'm not gonna trust me. I won't give it away. The guy dies at the end.

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Deal trip. I've been waiting for the traffic to slow down on it because it was so popular. Bro, go to Oak Ridge and get the reserve seating. I know, I was doing that anyway. Dude, the reserve seatings were filling up to those recliner seats. They got the seating tables.

They have seat heaters up in the sand. They have seat heaters too. Oh, sweet. Yeah, so you just laid back. Although I will not come a little bit because I might Full of all the recliners are kind of the the cheese your cheap ones, you know, but they're still a fucking 10 times better than what was in there Before better that you can reserve the seats now is dope because that's cool. I like that a lot better Yeah, speaking of shows I'm gonna do it. Are you watching billions yet? Are you watching Bill? Yeah, okay. So I that's in my queue and I just started watching Silicon Valley, but billions was the one that I was like, dude, so excited

about that. You're the only one that hasn't got because I know Doug watches that show. I love that show. You the only one that doesn't watch that show. I don't watch it. No, I don't have. Are you believe my favorite show? Yeah. I mean, and this season is coming out five really. I wonder if they have it on Hulu. Well, it's on show time. So you won't get it for you it You gotta we gotta like go always from beginning though, man That's definitely start you start at the beginning. That's it's fucking the most fire. Yeah, is it also here about You'll have it Chan and Tate him right or Tatum whatever his fucking name is right is a lady. He's single now

Oh, it's a horse divorce It's a year marriage. Yeah, I guess I'm not near nine is not your man. He do that I tend to follow Chaining channing we were taxed we were texting the other days I do remember I read a headline I remember I said nine years. That's all. Oh good to you, dude brother That boy can move who cares? Yeah, that's stupid. They hey he crushed magic might do that I don't watch that you didn't watch it I even heard so the older guy was the guy with like the kind of silvery hair oh my one that was the my older brother the hit of that movie not even him oh yeah that's what I heard Kachiner actually knows knows who the movie was based on and everything knows

the guy was like a real thing yeah yeah oh. How does she know of course she was in this stripper industry? She wasn't a stripper. She's gonna get so mad. I said that. She gets so much. Oh really? She could get mad. I sold her out too. She dated a male stripper at one point. Wow. Yeah Obviously helps her put it with my bullshit. You know what I'm saying? So that's this Like hey, y'all that you've got to deal with me. That's nowhere near as bad as having a stripper for It's always right, but there's a get's mad at that's nowhere near as bad as having a stripper for one. It's always right, but there's a good mat of me. I'm like, you could have a stripper for a boyfriend. Right.

Things could be worse. Take you to the center of the bunch of wrinkly ones. Yeah. Oh, lap on the table. Oh, sweaty. That's so disgusting. I did do something else. I went to go watch the Cirque du Soleil here in San Jose.

Oh, yeah. At the arena. Yeah, awesome. You should have gone. You missed it. Danny and my cousin were there. They actually went to our love on Sunday. On Sunday, too.

It was the first time it's ever been on ice, right? Oh, ice. That was a big deal. So Jessica, when she was traveling with the Cirque, she was a guardian. Her job was to be a guardian for one of the young performers. So when they have a performer that's under 18, they have a guardian that's with them,

that watches over them, make sure that they go, they take their classes and do other stuff and not do other things And so the girl that she was a guardian for you know is now an adult and is now One of the main characters in sir. Oh wow, so we got to watch this girl do so she's so the the name of this show is crystal So she plays crystal at the very end. So for people who watch the show at the very end, there's a version of Crystal, because the whole show is taking you through this girl's life. And she plays the version of Crystal that does this crazy aerial moves

on a trapeze with another dude. Like extremely, extremely dangerous, crazy, ridiculous mobility and body awareness type of stuff. It's just, as a trainer watching this, I'm looking at the stuff that they're doing, and it's mind blowing, like there were guys on ice skates that were doing like crazy flips and shit in the back and throwing each other in the air

and then landing on their skates. In the ice. Yeah, I mean, if you fall, you're done. That's so right. You're not gonna make it, you know? Then there was this one guy, and I think it's called the straps, but he hangs by one arm on the strap.

So it's just his left arm, the entire time, hanging his body, and he's spinning and twisting, and holding on to other people and flipping, and then at one point, his arm is behind his back, in like basically in Jiu-Jitsu, it's like like a camira like this is how you break someone's arm that's how he's suspending his body in the in the thing and spinning and I'm like how the shoulder mobility and strength of this guy is so insane how can you do that I have a question for you I hope he switches it up like each performance I don't I asked her that I said do they switch it up

and she goes no highly unlikely it's so specialized. Well think about the scale ball so specialized that you probably don't have the time you right to practice the other Makes it yeah, but man, have you ever asked her a hole? I've always been curious to like how well They all get paid and like obviously obviously if you're the main event you get paid decent very well Really very well. Well tell me what's the most great. So I don't know what the average salaries are, specifically, but here's, here's tell me like what an entry-level person may. I don't know, I'll ask her that.

But I do know that they make, I know a lot of them make more than six figures, but here's a deal, like you're traveling with the circus. So if you're a performer, if you're a gymnast, or you know, let's say you do small circuses in Europe, because there's a lot of shows that are around the world that are just not nearly as well known. But yeah, but if you're for the circus,

I mean, that's the top of the line. You make a lot of money, they pay for your housing, they pay for a lot of your food. So not only do you make good money, but you don't spend any of it. You don't have to spend any of it because you don't usually don't have a car. You don't have to travel with them everywhere.

You travel with them everywhere. Now, the one that Jessica did was she would travel to different countries and she would stay for three weeks at a time. So three to like five weeks. I think the long as she stayed was in Brazil, was I think a few months, but that's because they went to different parts of Brazil,

because the circum Brazil is incredibly popular. But this one, this arena tour that they're doing, they're staying like one week at a time. So that can be kind of strenuous, but they, you know, great medical, great everything. If you're a kid, they give you school, so to provide your school. So these people will go for five years, eight years,

nine years traveling with a circus, and then the leave and we'll have a shit ton of money that they just saved while they're really young. So what was it that can't really spend it? So what was it that drove Jess from it? Why didn't she not want to keep doing it? I didn't realize it was good, but I assume that it wasn't. I thought it was like one of those things

that it's just more... Oh no, no, no, no, you get paid, you know who gets paid the most? She told me. The clowns and the singers. Get paid the most. Wow. Yeah, I did not realize that. Clowns.

Yeah, so the people who... So if you go to a Cirque Show, and this is... And I may be getting some of this wrong because we've had lots of conversations, but I'm pretty sure she said that. So if you ever go to a Cirque Show, you see the live singers who are, you know, singing during the shows. I mean, she said they get paid quite a bit. And then the clowns, and the clowns, I guess, is because here's something I didn't know. So when we went to the show, she was talking to her friend who, you know, the girl that she used to guard in, you know, before the show. And her friend said, oh, the second act after intermission

had to get changed. So, you know, something else is gonna be thrown in the middle. And so I asked her, I said, how often does that happen? And she's like, all the time. If a prop breaks, if someone gets sick or something happens, on the fly, they change the show. So you can watch a show two nights in a row and you'll notice like different things. Right, so it's just like sports where they have a bunch of

backup plays like in case you got a call on. You have to. And so a big job of the clown is to make up for some of the stuff or to entertain the crowd. Transition, entertain the crowd. Clowns have lots of different skills. So there's a lot of responsibility on them to. Tons of responsibilities to show versus just someone who specializes in swinging and flipping and it's like, that's your one trick that's what you do. And that makes sense. But it's extremely big.

So why did you just leave? You didn't tell me what it was. Oh well, think about it this way, dude. If you're living at a hotel, you're traveling constantly traveling. You don't have any solid base. At some point you might, and maybe some people don't,

but some people might be like, look, I'm kind of over it now. I wanna stay in one place, I wanna, because I can imagine how exhausting it was that what it was for her, she was just over it. They were over it, she was married at the time, they wanted to leave and kind of just, you know, start a regular life

from what her husband and her, her husband was a performer. Oh wow. Yeah, he was one of the bases for Vericae, which was a show that ran for like 10 years, or whatever. But it's, the amount of training they do and what goes behind, like you see the people in the show, but there are so many employees and staff

that put that together. Oh, obviously. Especially the tents, like they have to put the tents up, they have to put up the food. It's like they build, every time they move, the little city. They build a city. They're 100% with, they bring their doctors with them,

they bring, so there's all the set trainers physical therapists like Teachers for the school. So it's a huge production. It's pretty crazy. I want you know like roughly I would say the last one I went to it's probably a couple thousand people watch at a time Well the one in the arena the ones in the arena is our master. Oh wait. That was a SAP. Yeah. Oh, yeah So that's 17,000 people. Yeah, that was full. Wow. They're there for a week.

They were there for a week. And they do a week, a seven chosen. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Dude, those tickets are over $100. Some of them are more to get. Oh, way more depending on how it works.

Yeah, it's a minimum, it's like $1.15. It's a massive organization. It's based out of Canada. And it is like, again, if you're an acrobat or you're in gymnasts or You know, you're that kind of a performer Like these circuses or the circus like one of the you know one of the pinnacles like that's where you can go professional because her friend or the girl that she that she was the guardian for was a National I think she got second in the world at the age of 11 or 12

a national. I think she got second in the world at the age of 11 or 12 for the UK. So she was a top, top level gymnast and then she got recruited by the Cirque and her, when she did it very high was she was like, her, so Jessica's husband was one of the bases and this young girl who she was guardian for was this girl that they would throw up in the air and do all these crazy flips and stuff. And she was doing it, she was like 15 years old, right? I got flyer, like a chiral flyer. Yeah, but just crazy stuff. Right, right. And it, but it's extremely dangerous.

I mean, for the past three years, they've had one death each year, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, the last one. That's really, when you think about how, because the staffs, I mean, it's big, but it's not fucking huge, not like a company of 10,000 people, of one person dies every year. That's a fucking, that's crazy. Well, before that, there were no deaths for like 15 years. So they've had a string now. It's been pretty bad.

And the last two deaths, I were during a live show, I believe. Yeah, so yeah, one of them was, what was he doing? I can't remember, she told me all about it, but anyway, the guy was, he was really high and his body went, oh, he was doing the straps, I think. And somehow, let go or the strap didn't, wasn't secured and just landed on his head on the ground. Yeah, in front of everybody. But here's the thing you want to consider.

Because she was, she was very sad about it and she barely knew the guy. She, she knew of him. But she says, yeah, when stuff like that happens, you're, if you're with a show and you're one of the main performers or whatever, or any, what does it matter? A lot of these people will stay for years, three, four, five, ten years, and they'll travel with one show. So her friend who's doing crystal will probably do crystal until that show is done, which will be, you know, who knows how long it'll be, seven years, ten years or whatever, right? You're traveling with the same, you know 300 people

for ten years or five years like that is your family, right? Everything you do you travel every you know, so when somebody when something like that happens It's absolutely I wonder I wonder how many relationships are within that because you're traveling with him You're living with them everybody tons. It's like everyone's husband or wife is. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Lots of people marry each other. My wife is the bearded lady over there. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah. The bearded lady. But I mean, and so the cool thing was because Jess traveled with them for so long. She did, I think, five years. She entered into that not really having, she had no experience with acrobatics, no experience with anything and stuff, was just traveling with her husband, ends up working for them

while she was there. And then, because she made friends with everybody, she got trained on how to do the silks and on flexibility by like the best in the world. You know what I mean? These are like the best acrobats and coaches in the world. And because she became friends with them, they would just train her and teach her for free. So within like four or five years, she became like this badass silks performer

and got all the way. So she wasn't even initially there for that. Bro, she couldn't, no, not at all. Oh, that's good. No, no, no, no. She was just, she was married to the guy who, to her. Oh, I didn't know that. See, I thought maybe they both did that.

They met there and then started, oh, he was involved in it first. And because she was around it all the time, she got trained, became really good, and then she actually got to... Bro, she said she could barely touch her toes beforehand. Now she could do the splits in the silks with one leg on the other side.

And because she got trained by like these crazy Russian, like acrobat, that would make her cry. She's gonna say that. And like, oh yeah, she's methods. Oh yeah, she said they brutal. She said they were, they would fuck up. I've seen like old Chinese clips of, yeah, them, them training. It's like a old school Van Dam where you tie your legs between the two palm trees, you know, I'm saying

with palm trees, spread your legs out of part like that. You remember that scene? Yep. That's a great movie. Is that blood sport? Is it blood? That was a kickboxer. Oh, is that kickbox? That's the one where he goes, he's getting trained by like the tie, the old tie coach or whatever. And he's kind of going for a jog and he's kind of going slow. He's so flexible. I don't believe it. No, I don't believe there's any power behind those kicks.

Depend, dude. Actually, Vandams, the Vandams, Steven Segal, those are all real deal guys that like as far as, I mean, obviously the movie's fucking Vandams. Uh, depends, dude. Actually, Van Dam's the Van Dam, uh, Steven Segal, those are all real deal guys, like as far as, I mean, obviously the movie's fucking Van Dam didn't do a spinning 360. No, dude, Segal's a badass. Yeah, have you seen some of those videos of him, like, doing his a keto and like, everybody's just falling.

I know so many listening right now. Oh, shit. Like, I know his martial art that he does is supposed to be kind of a joke. I have a tough time. I was a huge fan of his too, but I have a tough time. You've ever went, do you remember when, oh, I don't know about him. What, why can I not think of his name? Steven's going him trained a little bit, who's UFC fighter's champion,

and he's still a silver. Silver, he taught him the front kick, and that front kick fucking knocked out quite a few people, bro. That was pretty any couture. Yeah, dude, so he's the real, he probably won't want to have our asses. Let pretty any conturer. Yeah, dude. So he's really probably what point of our ass is let's put it in. Yeah, he's got enough training. It knows more than me.

Well, here's a deal with that kind of flexibility. When you're an acrobat and you're training with that kind of flex, so there's contortionist and then there's like acrobat that actually have to support themselves with their flexibility. It's tension, right? So then you're strong. You're definitely strong in those positions, definitely.

But yeah, there's that scene in the movie where John Clevver and I was running kind of slow. And then the old coach is like, here, put this on your leg and it's like just a piece of meat. He scraps around his leg and he's like, what? He's looking at it. What are you doing? He's like, it'll make you run faster. Like it's some like ancient like Thai wisdom or whatever. Outcomes the dogs.

Then you leave me. I let the dog lose the chase. Good time. So do you guys hear Walmart now is going, I'm gonna lose the chase. Okay. Okay. Good time. Set you free. Oh yeah. So do you guys hear Walmart now is going, they're now testing out no checkouts and no like like that Amazon? Oh, they are. They're making moves.

Let the wars begin. Oh yeah. I mean, they've invested a lot of money into the online presence. They're actually redoing their whole website, I believe, on top of that, because it's like, yeah. They're the only ones that are actually like still competing with Amazon. Bro, you go in, well, they're the only ones that could even battle them financially.

Like, you know, when you get one of the things that I've definitely learned as we get, keep growing even ourselves and the more you get around these bigger CEOs and bigger companies, it's like, it's literally a race to who can spend the most money. It's like, who has enough capital that they can go throw millions of dollars at a project? Like a project like that for Walmart has to be a fucking hundred million dollar project to even do that. Like, it's a massive, massive steering project man. That's just it.

If you've done business for so long and you've become so big and Walmart's the largest employer in America. It's massive, massive, massive. You know if it was you know if it was owned by one person it would be the richest person in the world. It's because they divided over the entire family. If you combined all their net worth off of what they make off of well Walmart they would shit on everybody.

It's they've they've done some and there's some stuff business-wise that people don't like but let's face it they have mastered the art of efficiency in many, many different ways. So it's gonna be like the old versus the new, it'll be interesting, because Walmart's a monster. So it'll be an interesting battle to see what happens. My bet's still on Amazon. Yeah.

Do you think so? Yeah. I just, I think because there are in so many other spaces too, it just gives them other leverage and opportunity because you see what they're doing with robotics too. You see where he's going that, I think he's still two, three steps ahead. I think Walmart, I forgot he owns the Washington Post

and has read basically has redone the way that we look at news. Right. You know, like he's got algorithms and everything already that everybody's biting off of. At this point to me, when I see something like that with a Walmart, it's more like a desperate move to stay alive. That's what it is.

The inevitable is happening. The inevitable is happening. Amazon's gonna gobble us up. We could spin them under us, bit the dust, not others. Like, oh shit, we better really get serious. Right, so it's like, I think this is the last straw to try and hang on for as long as you can. But if you're Walmart execs, you've got to be thinking in the back of your head like we had a great run

We had a great run. We did all these great things. Sure. We're making tons of money store right now But you have to see what's coming you have to know that the future is upon it. Dude really soon here I don't think we're gonna do grocery stores lines shopping and lines and mall shit is gonna die, dude Well, so what they're, because what, it's not gonna be like, it's gonna be showrooms everywhere. Well, because what they're doing is, they haven't, it's like Amazon, they have an app,

you go in, you scan what you want, and then you walk out with it. So you're gonna be able to go to these stores and there won't be like one employee in there. Right, right, right, I mean. That's awesome. But even then, it's gonna be like, let's see what you just did the other day,

which is you go in there and you literally Amazon it, and then you know it's gonna be at your house tomorrow you're like I'm like I'm gonna carry it in my car, you know, well think about it this way. They might if they organize it right if they organize it the right way and Amazon store may actually be able to provide you cheaper than Delivery because now there is no delivery. If you're willing to drive to the store and just grab it yourself, you may actually, it may start to flip again where you actually start to save money for certain products. I could see how that may, it's hard to predict. There's certain things they would grow,

I know there's people that are gonna want it, like look at their fruits and vegetables and they have their, they have their, like this whole bro, you can order now from whole foods now, you can order and they'll deliver to your house. Yeah, I think within a few hours. So safely has been doing like delivery service for a lot. like this. Bro, you can order now from whole foods now. You can order and they'll deliver to your house. Yeah. I think within a few hours. So, safely has been doing like delivery service for a lot.

I actually used to use it damn near 10 years ago. And the only knock that I had on it, so you know, sometimes it would show up and they didn't have one or two things that you would put on your list. And so that you, they would, you just wouldn't get it, you know, they would say, oh, we are out of stock on that. Or, you know, you would get ahead of lettuce. And you're like, oh, we were out of stock on that. Or, you know, you would get ahead of lettuce. And you're like, oh, I wouldn't have picked this head of lettuce, you know, like, so those are the drawbacks

that will still keep people coming into. Just like somebody who buys a pair of sneakers, you know, some people for sure want to go in and try them on. Like, if I'm going to spend $100 on a pair of sneakers, I want to at least put them on my feet to see what they feel like. Someone like me, who owns already Air Max's, all these shoes, it's like, I already know what they feel. Like, I already know the sizing on them. Like, see what they feel like someone like me who owns already air maxes Rochelle all these shoes. It's like I already know what they feel like I already know the sizing on them

Like I can all just order them online. There's no reason for me to go into it I don't even when I go to shoe stores to this like to this day. I don't try them on I like I need a 12 and that I know what I know that the shoe brand and I know the sizing and how they fit and it's like I just want to know if you have it if you haven't I got it I forgot what what hurricane it was there was like a natural disaster where the coast guard couldn't get water to people in time. And so Walmart got it there in time. Because Walmart had, there's so much to put there.

That was the new Orleans one. Yeah, I believe it was that one. I believe it was that one. I'm not 100% sure on that. I think it was that. Yeah. Because they figured out efficiency like on a whole level. That was a hurricane Katrina, I think. You think it was the big one? Yeah. Yeah. I think it was that because they figured out efficiency like on a whole was a hurricane Katrina, I think you think it was the big one. Yeah, I think it was. I

think I think I don't know. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But I remember I remember that being a big deal. I heard a lot and that was you know, I don't remember who was what was going on in office at that time and how much heat he took. Yeah, it's funny. We had this come. I just had this conversation yesterday where so we were watching this episode of Electric Dreams that show I told you guys about Amazon. By the way, all the episodes aren't, they're not all excellent. Some were not as good as others. You see this like Black Mirror.

Yeah, but the first one, the first episode was fire. Anyway, there was an episode where there were these three guys working in this, it was it way in the future and it's this tech plant and the plant is making like parts for machines or whatever. And they're just three of them working in this massive plant and they're just doing this mundane shit. And then there's a part in the show where they're having a conversation and one of the guys is like, well, he's like, why are we here?

Why are we even doing this work? They don't need us to do this. And the other guy is like, well, according to law, they need to have some humans here. And the unions fought for it, so be grateful. And we were laughing because I thought about that because that's totally true. I could totally see how people would say, no, you need to employ a certain amount of people

because we can't go fully automated because we need to have jobs or whatever. Yeah. And I was thinking about this and it's like, you know, it only costs, it only costs mankind or humanity. It costs this wealth, it costs us innovation, it costs us so many different things by reducing efficiency just to try to, you know, to try to take care of other people or whatever because it looks like it's a good thing.

Like, if we can be more efficient, we always should. Always. If it's more efficient, always go more efficient because that's what creates wealth and that's what makes things more available to more people. And so when you look at this kind of stuff, because I, you know, your knee jerk reaction when you hear Walmart and, you know, these other grocers who are eliminating all these positions where it's going to be automated, it's like, you immediately think of like, oh, all these poor people who lose, you know, who lose jobs, but the reality is the dramatic increase

in efficiency creates more wealth for everybody. That's just how economies grow. So initially, it looks bad, but really, it's not. It's just making things more fish. It would be no different than eliminating all the, you know, making it illegal to own a tractor and say, no, everybody should use shovels, because now we're gonna employ five times the many people because a tractor will do the job of five people. You know, this is terrible.

This is such a touchy subject and topic too, because man, I have my best friend who I grew up, like this could go all the way back to elementary school. And in our old town that we grew up, and we grew up in a very small town up by a Dom Pedro Lake. And I mean, the high head like a hundred students in it when I was a kid in there. It's like that small right. And right now they're going through this battle where there's there's only like one major market like grocery, you know, like a real

grocery store. It's more like a gas station grocery store liquor store, everything all combined. And then there's like a little hardware store and there's all these little like mom pub brands that are shops that have been Running their business off the small community there for probably the last 50 years plus or whatever and Incomes this general store and I don't know if you guys have seen general general Yes general store. Check dollar general. Excuse me dollar general. Mm-hmm. Which is basically like those dollar stores. Yeah, right and You know, it's a huge company that's like nationwide. And this is what they specialize in is going into these small towns.

Right. It feels a little predatory because it's going into these town meetings over it. It's fucking my buddy's parent. Like, and I have a really hard time like with where I stand on it because I see both sides. I got somebody close to me who directly affects their income because they own property of the store, one of the stores that it will directly compete with. That's gonna how fuck them and having at least there.

So of course they're fighting to keep it out. But then I have my other free market mind that goes, well, I mean, shit, if they're gonna come in and employ people, if they get right, they're gonna employ people, right? They're going to employ people. They're going to provide more stuff for a better rate. It's like, well, it's hard for me to get behind that. Here's the bottom line. If they don't like it, it's funny. It makes me laugh when they have these town meetings. It's like, really? You can fucking make sure they don't succeed. Just don't buy shit there. Like, it is within your power. The

real problem is people don't like the reflection that the market provides. So what I mean by that is they see a Walmart move in or they see something else move in and then all these other small stores shut down because they're cheaper, more efficient and they provide better or more variety or whatever. And they don't like the way that looks so they want to ban it. Instead, just don't shop there. You know what I mean? Put your money where your mouth is.

The truth is, if that general store moves in and the town decides not to shop there, then guess who goes out of business? The general store does. Yeah, but we know it's gonna happen, right? We know it why. Why? Because it's it?

Because it's better so. That's why I say, I have a really tough conversation for me to have because again, I've got family and friends on that side that it's directly affecting but then I also have the other side of me that You know if I was if they weren't in the mix I would 100% be like oh my god I'm totally for the store coming in there. It's better. It's cheaper. Why would as a consumer? That's a no-brainer But you know when it's somebody who's closer you actually have to start to think that way, like, oh shit, dude, my boys had that property for 30. That's why it's tough to always have the same thing and never evolve.

And some of these stores that, I mean, you love because it's kind of quaint and it's like something that has been there always, but at the same time, never changed. And so it's like inevitably something's gonna come through and that's just how it goes. Right, what's that short read? Who moved my cheese?

Whatever, that's a good short read right there. That's a good one for a long time. You know, it's just, it is, it's true Justin. I think that it's so important. We talk about personal growth all the time and that obviously leads into business too. Like you can't just not be good thing. You gotta be constantly growing,

you gotta be constantly evolving. You gotta be thinking about those things. You've got to be constantly growing, you've got to be constantly evolving, you've got to be thinking about those things, you're either growing or dying always. People just don't think about that. It's like your neck. There's no such thing as like I'm cruising along or business is just- And you wanna protect people,

because nobody likes to be an asshole, and come through and just gobble these businesses up, but that's just how things go. Dude, if I'm a business owner, and another business comes in and now if they were lying or they were stealing or doing something like that's different, but if they were just competing with me

and I'm getting my ass kicked, I'm not gonna get mad at the business, if I need to get mad at anybody, I'll look at my customers, be like you fucking unloyal sons of bitches, why would you guys keep coming here? Or I'd look at myself, which is probably, that's the better thing to do.

That's the better thing to do. And be like, okay, what can I do to compete better? What unique service can I provide that's different? Or yeah, or like, you know, if I needed to be competitive, was that look like? Dude, you know, all this stuff. Let me tell you this right now. The vast majority of jobs that existed 150 years ago,

don't exist today. Actually, I don't know, be hard to find one the vast majority of jobs that existed 150 years ago don't exist today. Actually, I don't know, it'd be hard to find one that currently exists, that existed back then. So that's just a rest, it's the way it fucking works. So yes, we can look at the immediate and say, oh, these people are losing their jobs, but why are they losing their jobs?

Because things are becoming more efficient, things are becoming better, and consumers are choosing those things, which is better for most. I need to set something right now, that you know, there's the last hundred years, you think there's not very many jobs that exist. Very few. Well, you know what I'm thinking of. You know which ones exist? I, the government ones.

Of course. That's what I'm thinking about. That you said that I went with DMV, some of a bit. Firefighters, cops, teacher, I mean, there's a lot of positions that are still exactly the same in a sand. Obviously, they've all evolved a little bit and changed, but I mean, for the most part, those have stayed very, very similar. They're protected. Right. They're protected.

Look at, look at, look at, wait, you know, that tells me, that tells me, like, what if that, if it wasn't protected, would we, have, would we, and how we would, Everything would look different. So far now, everything would look different. Do you, let me ask you this. The market changes so fast. Do you really think that if if it wasn't this crazy super hyper regulated market for education that you would go to a university and spend

$50,000 for an education and then on top of it spend a hundred two hundred three hundred dollars for a book. A paper book. I know. Today, that's how much kids are spending right now. You go to college right now, you go take a course and you take a psychology course or a medical whatever, and they say, here's the book you have to buy. And then you have to go buy this book

and it's 150. Where else in America does a book cost 150 dollars? When you could stream or download that shit for probably 25 cents or less, right? So yeah, is that what everyone's doing? I mean, I'm not in school right now. I don't have anybody close to me that's in college. If that was the case, I'm in college. It's already changing.

I was just saying, if I was in college, I would be a kid who would be like, fuck this, I'm not buying the, I'll just put it on my iPad. I'll buy it. I'll stream it or find it downloaded or whatever. I'm sure there's, and you you know too the way everyone pirate shit now There's got to be a the Napster of school books I'm saying the Napster of like college school books is gotta be out there somewhere They go way out of their way to try to protect the books by changing them every year

I remember just being when I was at San Jose State like they had just started like Amazon and they had just started they had just started like Amazon and they had just started reselling these books. And so you could find used books for like not even a fraction of what they cost it in the regular like student store. And I was like, thank God. Like because it was like you said it was like 500 bucks for like a textbook. You're like, what the fuck? Like, are you serious? And so you'd find it for like 20 bucks. And he just, man, I don't care if it's got highlighters and fucking, like medicine.

Dink's drawn in it, I don't care. Medicine, you're so, the way we do our healthcare, you was a guy drawn, extremely regulated. The way, no, it's resolutely, by your own book, education, education, healthcare, the housing market, like all the things that are the most regulated when you said it, you just kinda great,

you glaced right over it and I was like, wait a second, you are kinda right, but no, you're wrong, there's a lot of common, or jobs that still exist and they're almost exactly the same, but before I said something, I was like, all those are almost all protected. Protected you, government based., look at government, this. That would just tell you.

Think about it this way. How long did taxi cabs where they the same, the whole system, how long was it the same for? Decades. For decades, it was the same shit. You go in, you know how long it was before taxi cabs took freaking credit card? Do you know why they take credit card now?

Because Uber and all these other companies, wasn't cause taxi cab companies, that was a great idea. You saying. Yeah, how long was that was that an issue where you it's the same shit It was the same shit forever because they had these crazy regulations and laws that literally made it a monopoly So in order for you to have a tax you got to buy this medallion that cost $50,000 in New York and there's a limited amount because they pass Laws saying they can only sell so many to guarantee that they're always gonna have work and there's no competition. And that's why it's so hard to get a cab and this, that, and the other.

And then Uber came out because Uber existed in an unregulated space. Because without tech, they would have never been able to do what they do. It's so beautiful too because what you see, look at how many people are using Uber now. Like I didn't take taxis anywhere. From overnight. I didn't take taxis anywhere, but I do take Uber's now everywhere.

Yeah. It was in, I never took a tax. It's so efficient. Yeah. Over night. And almost overnight, literally think about it this way, decades, you had just taxis for decades. Uber comes in and within like what, I don't know, five years, destroys the whole market

in a very short time. So imagine if they, if they lifted regulations on other things, like in medicine, honestly, do I need to have a prescription from a doctor to get birth control? Let's use that as an example. Why do I need to go to a doctor to get birth control prescription?

A pharmacist could probably give that to me. I need to look at your vagina. But a pharmacist could probably give that to me. Do you know one of the companies that Taylor's talking to you right now is on the front end of that with on the men's like a erection pills and stuff, right? So that's what they're trying to bypass this whole why you gotta go in and go see a doctor

to get prescribed all that shit. It's like, if you've got a boner issue, you should be able to get these pills. Everyone, we know we need to tell the whole world. Right. No, that's exactly what they're trying to do. It's supposed to be like that. So it's a company that I forget my name. We the whole world. Right. No, that's exactly what they're trying to do. It's supposed to be like that. So it's a company that I free.

We've been in my limb dick alone. You know? Doug bring on the bird. Hey Adam, before we get going here, a few listeners have been asking about some of your recipes for organify. Oh. I have no idea how to find those.

So, and by the way, too, I'm going to get back to that just to give everyone the heads up. I've been getting back in the swing of my training and everything. And the first process for me was just getting back to lifting and shit like that. And this week was the first week at Prep Food. And so I'll also be making a lot more of my organifi recipes like I was before in sharing my stories.

That being said, if you don't want to wait for when I'm going to be posting stuff, the two places that I get it from Doug is, if you go to the website, it's kinda weird how you have to find these, I don't know why, and maybe I'm wrong and there's other places, but when I go to the website, you go down, I'll scroll all the way down the bottom of the website, and there's an area that shows where the blogs are,

and you click the blog tab, and you just kinda slide through the blogs, and there's a lot of different blogs written on, like different shakes, and pancakes, and muffins and muffins and protein balls and ice cream stuff and popsicle sweet potato. I mean, there's a ton of different recipes on there. And then they actually put a lot on their their Instagram. So if you're not following the organify Instagram, they post and a lot of the recipes are good, man. The products are good. They mix well with food. I do it a lot, I just haven't been lately,

and I'm telling you guys right now, I'll get back into it, so that's where I get them all. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory tested, certified, organic super foods to help give your health the performance the added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going

to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, a first question is from Muscle Mouse. Yeah. Is there a difference in meal timing for men and women and how it affects body composition? Meal timing. This keeps coming up. You know, I think we need to address it just

because it keeps coming up because it's something that I know we've talked about. Which by the way reminds me, this is a good time to plug this when I'm thinking about it. We have a free app on iTunes. So if you guys download on iTunes, you go there and look for Mind Pump. You can download the app on iTunes. So if you guys download on iTunes, you go there and look for MindPump,

you can download the app for free. And this is perfect for some of this. If you actually put meal timing in, you would actually hear it'll populate all the episodes where we've discussed topics like this. So I always encourage people to, if you follow us, you listen to the show, download the app, definitely search for a question that you might have first, and then if you can't find it, then absolutely, it up here. So we should just answer this completely different this time. It matters a lot.

Everything, everything. Not based everything around this. Meal timing, it matters somewhat, but not nearly as much as they'll make you believe. Okay, so mealtimeing this whole whole like you have to eat at these particular intervals or make sure you eat right after you work out or you have to eat, don't eat before bed, like all these different types of things

were typically put out to sell you your products. So, let me break that down for you. If I can sell you on the fact that you need to have food right after your workout, because right after your workout, there's this window, this anabolic window where most of the food that you eat is gonna go to repair and rebuild muscles

and it's great for fat loss and all these different things. And chewing food takes too long. And I say that, and I sell you that idea. The odds that that meal will be a shake or a bar quite high because post workout is an inconvenient time to eat for a lot of people. You know, you gotta take, what are you gonna do,

you're gonna open up your tupperware? You're gonna put your chicken bread, which some bodybuilder guys do, which is funny. Yeah, which they tend to do. And, or if I sell you the idea that you need to eat small meals throughout the day, because, you know, and the way we used to sell it was, and I say, we, because I did the same thing. This is what I thought to be true.

If we say, you know, if you go too long without meals, your body goes into starvation mode, and then it starts to store body fat. And so if you feed your body every few hours or every two hours, your body knows it's going to have food coming again, it gets used to it and it gets more readily burns calories because of this, you know, consistent flux of food. And that's what we used to say to people, and that's also bullshit. Now, why would they sell that? Well, if I can sell you that you need five or six meals a day, the odds that one to three of those meals are going to be-

Bars are shakes. Bars are shakes is quite high because the average person is not a super dedicated bodybuilder willing to carry around, you know, tupperware containers of food. Most people will eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, or maybe lunch, and dinner, and then they'll just say, well, cool. I heard I was supposed to eat small meals throughout the day, so I'm just going to buy, you know, these bars and have them with me, and I know that my snack is gonna be this protein bar,

and my next meal is gonna be a real meal, and the next meal is gonna be a shake. And so these myths just, they just permeated the fitness industry in such a way that they became common knowledge. To the point where, here's the deal, this is the truth now, and I know it's true for you guys too, because we've talked about this.

I was a trainer professionally, or in fitness professionally for 20 years. It took me 10 years to figure out that the eating small meals and eating post workout and all the important, how important they were that it was largely bullshit. Took me 10 years to figure that out because it was from every magazine, from every information outlet, from every fitness organization, including the gym I worked for, or the certifications

I took, or the, you know, where everything I read said the same thing. So you assume that it's true. If you read it from everyone, it becomes common knowledge and it's totally true. Well about 10 years into my career, I Read this book called the Warrior Diet, which talks about fasting and then I was on the forums on bodybuilding.com And I read all these athletes who were like, oh man, I feel I feel great. I haven't lost any muscle I haven't gained any body fats way more convenient now instead of eating six meals I just eat two or I just eat three or some people say I just eat one. And that

prompted me to actually look into the science behind meal timing to see, does eating six meals a day burn more body fat and build more muscle than say eating two or three times a day. And the science says it does note nothing. Nothing, there is no difference. Now this is general, and what I mean by general is, generally speaking, it does nothing. Does that mean on an individual basis that eating small meals is not gonna benefit you? No.

It might actually benefit you because that may be the way you prefer to eat or you may be a big bodybuilder who's consuming 5,000 calories a day. In which case, that's going to be tough to do in two or three meals. It's almost impossible. Yeah. Think about that.

That's 2,500 calories, especially if you're trying to eat healthy. That's right. Try and eat 2,500 calories. Try and eat 2,000 calories healthy in one setting. I mean, pushing over 1,500, unless you're're having a big huge ribeye steak and something else. But then you're so satiated that getting through that's going to be brutal. And this is, I just, I just talked to someone the other day about similar topic as this and they were asking about supplements and meal timing. And they're like, you know, did

you, did you do that? And I'm like, yeah, you know, when I, when I'm competing, there, I'm using some supplements and I supplements, and I am meal timing. But it's on the very bottom of my list as far as the order of things that I start to take over. Right now, absolutely, I'm not meal timing or using any supplements. Why would I do that when there's so many other things I need to fix within my routine, my nutritional routine,

my exercise routine. There's so many other big rocks I need to pick up first before I start trying to like make sure I get a meal in two hours before my lift and then within an hour window after I lift, like that shit is so at the bottom of the list that I think that's the main point that we always try to make sure you can come find some study that shows me that you have a fraction of a percent of a more, you know, a higher rate of muscle that can be potentially built if you, you know, and take X amount at this time.

It's like, dude, the, the, the amount that makes a difference is so, you know, splitting hairs of a difference. So it's not that it doesn't matter at all. So fuck it out the window. It means that, look, first look at all the other things that you, you need to dial in. And, and then on, then you can start the other things that you needed dial in. And then you can start to visit. If you've got everything else dialed in,

so this is where I understand when I look at like competitors. Competitors are measuring and weighing their foot. There's one for you right there. If you're an average person who's trying to lose weight or build muscle and you're not weighing and measuring your food and tracking. Are you kidding me?

Like that's way more important than trying to time a meal. Way more important. Like so start there and like start paying attention to what you're consuming first before you start to add in a supplement or worry about getting a meal too late too early or right before or right after a workout. But I mean, hey, if you've got all that stuff lined up, you're dialed in, you're measuring your weighing, you're tracking, you've seen all this stuff,

your workouts are great, you're phasing your workouts, you're progressing, you're progressing, you're egg increasing volume, you're doing all these other things that are so much more important as far as your results. And you're like, hey, you know what? Like, I wanna see what would happen if I actually ate my meal two hours before my workout. Or, you know what, I, you know what? Like, I wanna see what would happen if I actually ate my meal two hours before my workout.

Or, you know what, I'm gonna try and go fast. Like, I encourage that. Fuck with your meal timing. To play with it. You know, I used to tell clients, like, okay, if you are a breakfast skipper and you tend to eat meals super late at eight or nine o'clock, I said, heck, an idea for us, let's do this.

Let's stop eating meals after six o'clock for you for a while and see how you feel what happens Guess what normally happens that person? They're starving and that's six. They feel like they're dying at six or seven And they live and then the next day they end up being hungry at six o'clock in the morning And so they actually eat a breakfast and it's different their body. That's a change or something going on They're not used to so I encourage the the people to play with their meal timing and see like how their body responds. You know, someone who might eat a meal two hours before a workout might feel a little lethargic from it.

They might not like it. But then somebody else may feel incredible performance and an incredible pump because they had a meal to it. Somebody else, I know Sal, you talk a lot about how much you love being fasted more. Like so much more. Right. Some people love to be fasted. Wait, wait more. Like so much more ever. Right, so people love to be fasted way, way more.

So that's it. Well, it's so interesting to me that we look at it like, I found this thing that works for me. You know, like it's just like rigid plan that has, you know, you've done all the research, you've gone through all these different types of diets, and now I found one that stuck.

Well, it's not always gonna stick. Right. It's like, you really have to be flexible, and you have to always kind of be ahead of this. It's interesting. Middle timing is one of those things. The top thing to consult, the number one thing you need to check and consult if you're determining your, you know, meals, how many meals you have a day is just which one do you like better? That's it. That's pretty much it. Because one thing that we don't talk about enough when it comes to nutrition is the psychological component

Which arguably is the most important component with with all nutrition if we had to list all the important things with your diet It's that's the top one is your the that psychological component because the best diet in the world That you hate isn't gonna be as good for you as one that's not as good that you can stick to and you're consistent with. So if you find that eating six meals a day is your jam and you just fucking love it, well guess what you should probably do, eat six meals a day. If you find that skipping meals and having less meals makes you feel better and it's better,

portion control, you don't eat as much, then go for that. There are very, now of course if you go extreme, if you're going one meal every other day or something like that or 15 meals a day very, now of course if you go extreme, right, if you're going, you know, one meal every other day or something like that or 15 meals a day, well now, of course, there's better and worse. But generally speaking, it's all based on which one you enjoy doing more. Now there are some cases where I may tell someone to eat more meals and some cases where

I tell people to eat less meals. The people who probably should eat more consistently throughout the day are like these people who have like metabolic adaptation where you know or metabolic damage or HPA access dysfunction. We probably want to feed them a little bit more frequently because they may have issues with cortisol. We may want to kind of suppress that a little bit and put them more in that parasympathetic state which meals tend to do. So if somebody comes to me and I'm talking to them and I figure, oh wow, you've got metabolic damage

or HP access dysfunction, then I'm probably not gonna have them do a lot of fasting because that might be counterproductive. I may have them eat a little bit more frequently. But otherwise, it's so up to you. I was so different than all my other peers when I was competing with this. They all are so adamant about getting everything in their shake right after post

workout. I think this is how I did it. Like so when I was, you know, post or pre getting into a show, right? So before I'm even into prepping, so I believe that some of the hardest work is done leading up to show prep time and show prep time would be anywhere between six to 12 weeks for the average competitor. It's the time leading up to that where I think the real work is done, which is building up a roaring metabolism. So when I'm increasing my caloric intake and I'm, you know, quote unquote, bulking, I'm eating 5,000 plus calories a day. So I'm eating six meals

a day pretty much. So every two to three hours, I'm consuming something. And then when I go, when I step into prep time, I've got this physique where I'm probably hanging around 9% body fat or so, eating 5,000 calories a day, six meals a day, and now it's time to get shredded for show time, to get on stage. And the first thing that I do is just eliminate a meal somewhere, and I like to play with that.

Which is the opposite of what? I just eliminate a meal, and it might be a pre-work, it might be a meal before, my workout, it might be a meal after and it might be a pre-work, it might be a meal before, my workout, it might be a meal after, it might be the last meal of the day, it might be the first meal of the day. And I like to do that, where, so let's just say,

we'll just walk you through like what it's six to seven weeks leading up to a show, look, so I could like, reduce calories. I'm gonna cut 500 to 1000 calories out of the diet the first week. Okay, 500 to 1000 calories come out. I'm gonna distribute that differently. Sometimes I'll spread it out across the meals. Sometimes it'll 1000 calories come out. I'm going to distribute that differently. Sometimes I'll spread it out across the meals. Sometimes it'll be an entire meal like I'm saying.

And then I'm going to pay attention like how I perform. Would I have a great workout when I do that? Did I sleep really well? Did I get up really well? Did I have energy throughout the day? Was I had sustained energy? I'm paying attention to where I pick, what I pick and pull from and how it affects my body. And I think that everyone's gonna be uniquely different. I think if you have a habit of eating in a certain pattern all the time, one of the best things that you could do for yourself is to shake that up. I mean, why would we treat the way we consume food

nutritionally when we talk about adaptation all the time? The map stands for that, right? I mean, that's just talking about the muscular system, but what about your digestive system? What about your, what about that? Why would our bodies get adapted and used to that? Wouldn't it be advantageous to do different things and challenge it in different ways?

And what better way to shake up your, how you eat than to go without food for a little while? Right. Because most people never done that. You know what I mean? Most especially people who eat small meals throughout the day. You have somebody who eats six meals on a consistent basis and you tell them,

okay, today we're gonna take all your calories and we're gonna- Oh, I'm the only coach I know that had bikini competitors, men's, his, he, con bodybuilders, fasting in their routine. Like during prep. That was just like,

and I remember every time I loved doing it because every time I get that question, but what? I'm gonna lose all this muscle. Are you kidding? I don't wanna do that. Like so many would fight back. I'm not just watching.

We'll be okay. You know, for health, now for my health, all things being equal from a health perspective, it's less inflammatory to eat less meals, okay? Eating does require the digestive system to work. It does require, you know, things to be moving and in the context of inflammation that might not necessarily be a good idea

to eat a lot of frequent meals. So like if you have gut issues, you might be better off not eating lots of small meals that you may find that your digestion feels better when you eat more like two or three meals. But again, the studies have been done on this pretty consistently and they've shown no difference whatsoever. And maybe it may even be counterproductive

to have too many small meals throughout the day. It may cause a little bit of inflammation, may not be great for you, especially if you have gut issues. But otherwise, it's totally, I mean, it's just totally up to you. And I've found for me personally, most days, I eat two times a day, maybe three times a day most days and then there's days of course that I fast and I don't eat at all and everybody I've worked with so far seems to kind of be in that realm of two to three I have worked with people who say they just love eating small meals for the day and that's totally fine there's nothing wrong with that that's your

jam go for it. Next question is from Katie Gassman. If you aren't breaking up fascia with foam rolling, what is actually going on? I don't remember when we learned, we all learned that right? Well, not breaking up fascia. Well not breaking up plastic, but you should say breaking up the adhesion that we're on there. We were taught that foam rolling broke up adhesions that your fascia got stuck and that if you were pressing on it,

it would break up the adhesion and then it would allow it to kind of move better and then that would alleviate pain. Which a lot of that is just because where the science was at the time, right? I mean, we just didn't fully understand how that worked. We had no idea.

You know, watch some video about spina kind of breaking down like what that would actually look like if you were to stretch it all the way apart and then get in there and like rub down one of those adhesions all the way. It's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Now, not now, you know, to be honest, when I first learned how to foam roll, it was a game changer.

Absolutely game changer for me. I would foam roll before my workouts and it improved my mobility and improved my flexibility and took away pain instantly. And it was a great tool that I used as a trainer. I remember being a trainer, I'd get a, especially if I had a client who is a runner or a potential client who is a runner, I used to love showing them the foam roller

because then I looked like a wizard. Like they'd come in and be like, I have all this knee pain because I run. I'd be like, all right, I'm gonna do something with you for two minutes. I'm gonna add pain to your pain. And I'll take the pain away and then I'd have them foam roll and then get up and they'd squat and be like, oh my god, my knee doesn't hurt anymore.

So foam rolling temporarily definitely can reduce pain, but it's not breaking up fashion, it's not breaking up adhesions. Here's what we think is going on with foam rolling. Well, first off, when you apply pressure, you do activate certain pain receptors in those areas. And that actually releases anti-pain chemicals or pain-relieving chemicals. So that starts to happen a little bit. You're also, anytime you press on a muscle, stretch a muscle, squeeze a muscle, you know, anytime you do something to a muscle, the central nervous system is reacting and responding. So what I think that's happening when you're foam rolling

is the central nervous system is firing a little bit differently afterwards, which may take away some pain. And that can be beneficial if you know how to use a foam roller. And that was my way of doing it until I really discovered priming. Priming blows foam rolling away completely because priming not only does what the foam rolling does,

but it does it in a more permanent way to where I'm actually changing recruitment patterns because I'm connecting to these new movements and stuff. And so once I learned how to prime, I stopped foam rolling before my workouts. Now I almost never foam roll pre-workout. If I stopped foam rolling before my workouts. Now, I almost never foam roll pre workout. If I do foam rolls post, I... So you add that element to it, you also add blood flow and localizing, you know, more

recovery that way, with blood flow and movement being... It's just so much more superior, I've found, like in my own practice. It's like, it's crazy, but you're right. Like, foam rolling still has, you know, benefit to it. There's definitely ways to utilize foam rolling in order to sort of reprogram and repattern a way of, you know, recruiting, you know, muscle. And so there is ways that we still even apply that

in our programming. And a lot of times it tends to be more towards the end of the workout, which is something where I would do like first thing like cold, I would have to do like foam rolling, that was like the way I would do it forever. Right, right. Our intentions were different, you know, back then, you know, I thought it was necessary for us

to do that to get that same feeling. You know, the analogy I gave to someone is more like this. Like, you know, you get these tightness or these knots or this pain like in your IT. And it's like, you know, what like this, you know, you get these tightness or these knots or this pain like in your IT. And it's like, you know, what happens is, you know, it gets overused when we're whatever, whether you're squatting or lunging or whatever caused it to get really tight and do that.

And then you get like this, we start to prioritize all these neurons over there. And it's like it's overactive and it's stimulated. It's like it's clenching and it's tight. And that foam roll kind of gives you that, sends that signal to like what Sal was describing of just relax for a second. And I think that's the relief that everybody feels

that's happening is it is more the CNS relief that you're actually feeling. And then, you know, I was like, it's kind of like and I know it's an extreme analogy, but you know, if you're, if you're IT really hurt and you're like, oh my God, it's driving me nuts. And then I punched you in the fucking face as hard as I could I promise you your your CNS would fucking try it would it would say well you wouldn't be thinking about the IT anymore

It would prioritize over your face So when you call that like that loop that perpetually gets worse positive feedback Paws his feet, so it's like you're interrupting that right in a sense That's what I said that's and that again now that was an extreme analogy of course Don't punch your friend the next time they say or your client when they say they have a not in their IT or whatever, but you know, I think that's a majority of the relief that we get is that because it kind of hurts, you know, when you first put on there's like this, ah, this tensing and you rubbing it out. And then you then when you

get off of it, it that's what feels better. It's not the actual initial pain of the phone rolling that gives the relief. It's the actually when you get done with it and you stop rolling it, you go, oh man. It's just, it's so phone rolling similar. It's not the same, but it's similar to like what deep tissue massage will do. So if you have, you have knots in your traps or your lats or your shoulders or whatever and then a good massage therapist goes in there and Really presses hard on them and pushes on them. And then you'll feel, sometimes you'll feel the relief happen instantly, like they'll push real hard and then it feels like,

wow, that knot went away. When you're applying pressure, the CNS is, you're basically sending a signal to the CNS that says, relax, relax the smells. Now, if you push too hard to do the opposite, you can actually get something to tighten up. Like if I just punch you as hard as I can and you're arms gonna brace Yeah, but if I press and I apply the right kind of pressure over time

The CNS starts to relax, but you could do this with stretching stretching does does something like this as well and Through that relaxation you can change recruitment patterns But but if you if you don't strengthen new recruitment patterns or you don't train new ones with resistance or with movement, it's temporary. So again, if you go to a massage therapist because you have knots in your traps and they press those knots out

and then you leave and you feel better but you don't change your recruitment pattern enough to where it's permanent. And you go back to moving how you were before you're right back at the massage therapist the next week with the exact same thing. Now, I wanna point out though, that much of what we're talking about right now

is based off of the current science and the information that we have. Therefore, this is the theories that we have because the fascia is something that is, we know, we don't know that much about. There's a lot about it, but there's a lot. It's a lot of new science. It is a lot of new science. And a lot of that is in the last five to 10 years, we've't know that much about. We know a lot about it, but there's a lot of new science. It is a lot of new science.

And a lot of that is in the last five to 10 years, we've learned so much about, I mean, shit, they came out, what was it? Last year, you were four talking about how we can now show that memories are being stored in the fashion. That's a very hotly debated theory. Right, right. And again, I'm not saying that that's true or false,

but even what we're talking about right now, the way we are explaining it is, I'm explaining this to you the best I can with the science and where we're at there. What I do know is that it's not what we thought it was five, 10 years ago, that's for damn sure. It's definitely different than that. It's like anatomy trains and 10-segrity

and all these different things that have come about that we're just understanding now, how interconnected all the tissue is, you know, and how they all communicate. If, you know, one point of the body gets pressure, how that affects, you know, another point of your body. And it's very complex, you know, if you really start to kind of put a microscope under it. It's, it's a, so foam rolling is a tool, but it's not a cure tool, unless it changes your recruitment pattern and it solves the problem.

So if you find that you have really tight IT bands and they hurt and then you foam rolling, it feels better, you haven't solved the problem. You haven't solved the root cause of why that IT band is hurting in the first place. It may be a hip dysfunction, it may be coming from your ankles, and maybe that your gluteus medius isn't strong enough.

So other muscles are trying to support your hips and so the IT band is getting inflamed function, it may be coming from your ankles, and maybe that your gluteus media isn't strong enough. So other muscles are trying to support your hips, and so the IT band is getting inflamed as a result. So you know, because I used to work with physical, excuse me, with massage therapists who would do, you know, deep tissue work. But then what they would do is they would do the deep, deep tissue work, and then I would strengthen better recruitment patterns, and through the combination of us working working together we were able to solve a lot of problems. But if if I didn't do that then they would just be back at the massage therapist

every week with the same exact problems and that's how foam rolling was done. I used to have to foam roll before every workout. I didn't even think twice about it and think, why do I have to do this every single time? I'm gonna do this forever. Doesn't make any sense. Now that I've been priming, I don't have to foam roll. Oh, dude. If you go back, any joint pain, you know, it's just like just being consistent is everything. If you go back far enough in mind-pump,

you can hear when we were first creating prime, and I remember that's when I decided to apply, obviously, the stuff that we were about to teach people, like, okay, I'm gonna give up foam rolling and see, you know, what if I were to just do mobility work and prime my, prime my body and I've never looked back. And I remember talking about on the show, you guys would have, like, dude, it's been six months, oh, it's been eight months, oh, it's been a year. And I haven't, I haven't foam rolled in fuck two, two years now, two years since I foam all mobility work. I feel so much better,

and it makes so much more sense to me too. If I'm going to spend 10 minutes on the floor, you know what I'm saying? I may as well be doing a lot of other things besides just you may as well be creating better recruitment patterns that when you lift weights, you don't have to go big. You come back to the foam roller, right, right? And burning more calories. I mean, they don't have to be the force appropriately.

You know, it's like we forget forget how wide the mechanics are so important in each lift. So we can drive all these forces out through your body. So you're not just going right into the joint. It's like, if I'm just going to keep doing the same thing that I've been doing, I'm just going to keep feeling the same pain and going right back to the therapist to try and help me out. Next question is from PT Camtrail 96. Do you subscribe to the theory that your body has a set point

or is there a place your body becomes stagnant based on your daily habits? I've noticed since I died it down, I tend to be more likely to binge. Could that be a result of my body feeling more comfortable at a higher body fat percentage? No, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I'll never look like Robert Overs. I mean, I don't have the genetics, right? My body will never want to be that size. Yeah, you'll never weigh 50 pounds.

You'll never weigh, you know, 350 pounds or 450 pounds. Right. Like, it's true to an extent, but- To that extent, right there. But the set point, there's a lot of room into there. But the set point, the actual set point is so vast. It's literally the heaviest you can get and the lightest you can get. Everything in between is determined by your lifestyle.

Right. Now, why is it that we find that we tend to, our body weight tends to hover around a particular body weight. Well, it's all psychological. 100%. Not only that, it has more to do with your... Very set in your ways. Yes, your patterns and your behaviors. That's what I mean by psychological

If you were people that people don't realize this that kind of like kind of stay at the same weight for a really long time Well, if you looked at an average caloric intake and their average movement over the course of that Six months or whatever they say that's gonna be about the same change your lifestyle Like drastically change your lifestyle and your body weight will change that's just the bottom line So and it's very normal. It's very normal to feel this feeling. I mean, let me tell you getting ready for a show Yeah, my body does not want to only eat those calories the entire time It wants to go up and eat more, you know that that that's just because you're eating less than your chloric maintenance Which again something that you can manipulate up or down, right?

So you can change your clork maintenance. Your clork maintenance right now, which is to say hypothetically is 2,500 calories. Well, if you're somebody who only eats 1,500 calories every day, well, guess what? You're going to feel hungry. You're going to see yourself lean out. And eventually, what will happen is that it will,

that will become its new clork maintenance. Eventually, you will. If you stay at 1,500 1500 for a year that will now become homeostasis for you And then now that where you go from there can make a difference also you go back up to 2000 You're gonna gain weight that's just how it's gonna work You know this is becoming is and it's it's classic. It's the you know If we can continue to give people reasons to not take responsibility Yeah, people will adopt it. And the set point is one of those things.

Here's your diagnosis. Yeah, oh, you know, my body just, it wants to be, you know, 220 pounds at, you know, 24% body fat. That's my body set point. That's just where it wants to be. No, that's just where you want to be. Psychologically speaking, your days all look the same

If you if you look at your lifestyle your physical Rep-the physical representation of your body Reflex a large part of your lifestyle now of course like we said earlier There's a certain there's a limit to how heavy you can get and there's a limit to how light you can get But man, that's a massive range like could right now I'm walking around and probably one, you know, one 92, one 93. Could I get my body weight down to 160? I could, I could definitely do that.

If I drastically changed my lifestyle, could I get my body weight up to 232, 40? I could also do that, but it would be a drastic change in lifestyle. It doesn't mean that my set point is at, you know, where I'm at right now. That's just, this is where I like to be and it's where I want to be. And so when people lose weight and they die it down, they change their lifestyle.

And then after they're down to that body weight, they find, hey, I want to go back to how I was before because I like doing that. Wasn't set point based off of some diet gimmick like 10 plus years ago? They've been selling it forever. Wasn't that like, I'm sure you could go online and do a calculator for that. Yeah, I know there's a set point diet. I know that for sure. Here's how set point actually works.

If you live a particular way long enough, that becomes your psychological set point. It really does. Because you eat a particular way, you move a particular way, you buy clothes that fit you a particular way, you look a particular way. And so now you have this, this is who you are, this is your image. To change that is incredibly difficult. If you've been 30 pounds overweight for just five years, and most people have been for 10, 20 years, right?

But if you've been 30 pounds overweight for five years, that means you've lived a specific way to be 30 pounds overweight for five years, that means you've lived a, you've lived a specific way to be 30 pounds of weight for five years. Now imagine doing anything consistently for five years and then having to drastically change it and then having to stay with that new, which is why so many people feel like it's a set point is because they make some changes and they don't see a lot of results from. They lose a few pounds of they feel so hungry or they feel it's hard. Yeah, it feels difficult. Well, that feels difficult for like just because what you said,

cells for five years, this is like pretty much where you have lived, you know, this type of movement, this type of exercise, this type of calories. And just you changing it somewhat is already going to shake things up. Like you're going to have to consistently change things up for the body to keep changing if you want to see it change and think if you've been stuck the same way for five, ten, fifteen years, it's going to take some time. And that's why when you approach things like this, if you're approaching like, okay, I want to change my body, I want to lose a lot of weight or I want to gain muscle or

I just want to improve my health. Realize that what you're really asking yourself to do is to fundamentally change your life. It really is. It's your life. How you eat, how you sleep, how you train, the choices you make, you have to change them on a fundamental level. And the easiest way to do that, or at least I should say the best way to do that, is to do it in a very gradual, challenging, yet realistic way.

Because otherwise, it's just not going to happen. It won't work. I promise you. If anybody tries to change their life drastically overnight, you may be a very disciplined person, you may be super dogmatic and hardcore about it, but that's going to be a very hard thing to do consistently. Like, I wake up at a particular time every day, I go to bed at a particular time every day.

There are things that I like to eat, things I don't like to eat, there's ways I train. If tomorrow all of a sudden I flip that on its head and change it completely, because I'm a disciplined person, I could probably do it for a while, but after a few months or whatever, it's gonna be, it's very difficult. I'm gonna wanna go back to how I was before.

So think of that when you're trying to make these changes, challenge yourself enough to where you know it's a challenge, but also make it very realistic. And this is gonna be different from person to person because what may be challenging but realistic for one person, maybe unrealistic or in two challenging for another person, maybe to unrealistic or to and to challenging for another person or not challenging enough for someone else so they feel like it's not worth it.

And it can be very, very small. I've talked, we talked about this on a previous podcast. Maybe the change that you make is, okay, I'm going to, you know, eat one extra serving of vegetables every day. And I think that's going to be hard for me, but it's realistic, I think I can do it. I think if I really try, I can do that. And then do that for a while. And when you find that that becomes a part of your life

and that no longer is an issue, then you add on top of that. And that gradual process will change your psychological set point. To the point where now your set point is very different. For years, for years, my bodyweight fluctuated between 190 and 220 or 230 pounds. I bulked and cut and bulked and cut and bulked and cut. And that became my natural. That became my set point around winter time. I just ate a lot more

and around summer time. I died it down. Now, now my body weight is kind of always around the 190. And that's my set point, but that's mainly because my lifestyle is the way it is, and I enjoy it, and it just stays that way. So that's how you have to approach these things, but it's all on you. Most of it's on you. Yeah, your genetics determine a certain percentage of it,

but a large, large percentage of it is your lifestyle. And if you're ready to change your lifestyle, or you want to change your lifestyle to change that set point, start with small pieces first and become consistent with those of the point where they become a part of your life before you move on to the next one. And then you'll find that you'll be able to walk around at a new set point. Next question is from Skamy Neski. What's the best way to address manboos?

Oh, that's a good topic, man. That's a lot. Oh, I gotta love that manboos. When you look at the top questions or concerns or things that we've asked. This one gets asked all of a sudden. It does. Like girls, it's the butt thing.

Like butts and abs thing. Like we've got that probably thousands of times in my career. That's what Adam, can I actually get a butt that's bigger and I'm going to be stuck with this little flat butt forever and guys or men, it's the men boobs thing, you know, and there's a couple things. So one, obviously, right out the gates, if you have this more than likely, you're carrying a little bit excess body fat that's, and you just tend to hold it in your chest and everybody is different here.

This might be an area that your body naturally holds more body fat and so you get kind of this kind of sagging boob man boob type of look. Also could be relating hormonally. You could have higher estrogen levels and maybe potentially low test austro and I've had some of my men know men in their late 30s, 40s and 50s before I always tell them to go at least go get tested and see where your test austro

levels are because let's be honest I could give you all the great exercise tips and diet tips to do this but if your hormonal levels are fucked it's gonna be a real uphill battle to try and solve this so my my first and foremost is always I advise my guys that are struggling with this to go get your hormones checked, see where you are in the healthy range or not first. And then something that has worked, I've had a lot of success with aside from just obviously, the obvious thing is lean out, right, start leaning out.

But a lot of incline chest. So that has become a staple go to exercise for me. And people might be going like, wait a second, you guys talk about no such thing as spot reduction. It's not spot reduction what I'm doing by doing that. You know, by building his firm and not. Well, yeah, it's firming his chest up and specifically his upper chest,

the thought process or the theory for me when I first started doing this with clients was, you know, if I build, if you have kind of saggy boobs, you can have kind of like this loose skin and fat that kind of makes it hang over. And if I can build that upper chest, it's gonna pull that skin up and kind of set up a little bit higher.

So, and it's worked incredible. This has been something that I would use like a program like our Maps Estetic. And I would put my body part focus. So in that program, we allow this flexibility so people can focus on specific body parts. So I would do Maps Estetic. I would do, and I would put chest as my focus session,

and I would put a lot of emphasis on upper chest incline, incline chest presses, incline flies, barbell chest presses, not to say to neglect the others, but that I would increase or add more volume on the chest. Yeah, you gotta get leaner, that's number one. Right, right. It's usually body fat. It's usually just more body fat.

You tend to store it around that part of your body and you just gotta get leaner in order to get rid of that. And how do you get leaner? Well, reduce your caloric and take, improve your increase your activity, speed up your metabolism in general, like lift weights. As far as the hormones are concerned, there are some natural supplements you can take

if you think your testosterone is aromatizing into estrogen at too high of levels. Now you'll know if it's hormonal versus fat, if it's really tender to the touch. So if it's just body fat, it's just fat. If it's estrogen related, your nipples are tender. Yeah, if they're tender, or if you feel like a lump underneath your skull.

You lick your body's nipple, and you're like, oh, yeah. Then it might be estrogen related, which by the way, body fat excess body fat men can raise estrogen levels as well. Body fat is an estrogen sensitive tissue in the body. So getting leaner and building more muscle tends to give men a better, you know, hormone profile anyway. But there are some natural supplements. Indole 3 carbonyl is one,

or the more potent version is DIM, and the chemical name is D-indole-E, they'll end a little methane, I think I'm pronouncing it right. Which is a, it's something you can find in cruciferous, cruciferous vegetables, so like broccoli has it, but you can take it as a supplement, and what it does is it reduces the conversion. Oh, that's the one that's,

there's a lot of that in cauliflower, right? Yeah, I think I've heard that before. It reduces, it inhibits the aromatics enzyme and has your body will convert to less potent forms of estrogen in the body. And so if you're a guy and you find like you have hormone issues, you can supplement with this and you'll know it's working if your libido starts to raise up

and you'll start to feel less of that tenderness in the chest. That's about as good as it gets with natural supplement. Get some califarapidsa, yeah. Put the bond bonds down and do some solid press. Solid plug for our girls over there, man. Yeah, cause no cruciferous vegetables have the indol 3 carbonyl. Right, no, that's a big girls over there. Yeah, there's no, no crucifers, vegetables have the indol three carbonyl. Right, no, that's a big, that's a big,

mind-blowing side. They've got health benefits, it's anti-cancer as well. And women, it's got some, some pretty good hormone balancing benefits as well. But naturally speaking, that's about as good as you're going to get when it comes to balancing your estrogen levels if you're a man. If it's really bad, you have to go to the doctor

and they'll put you on. I always recommend, because I think it's good for all of us to check that occasionally, anyways, and us guys are the worst at that anyways, we always try to, most guys, avoid the doctors at all cost, and if you're already having issues in this condition, I think it's worth going in there

and at least checking that out. Also remember too, that all of us are genetically different and unique, and we all store and hold body fat in different areas. And unfortunately for you, and I'm sure it feels unfortunate because this is it's your body and you're looking at this way, but it's that way for everybody. Some people are it's low back fat, some people it's belly, some people it's the flabby arm,

some people it's the fat face. Some of us can walk around at 7% body fat and still be fat in the face. There's shitty sides to everywhere. You store it. Yours is probably in your chest, so therefore it's normally the last place to go, which all of us can relate to that regardless of its man boobs. There's always an area that's the last place.

But it is weird, man. I don't think there's any studies done on this, but there's some studies, right? Your hormone profile can change how you store body fat too, which is kind of weird. I know you were experiencing it, right? When you went off test, like, you weren't storing body fat the same way. Dude, I still, I'm still tripping out

because I'm not away from it yet. I'm getting better and better every week, but, you know, I literally, I never looked at my body, it's never looked like that. 30s fucking six years of my life, and of ups and downs, weight, up and down, and fat and skinny and buff and all those, never seen my body look like this before.

And it just, it took, it just changed where you took, I mean, if I'm being very transparent and real, it took on a very feminine look to it. Like I started to get these kind of hips, you know, like just dude, I was not feeling it at all, bro. Not so I was always drawn to the back of you. I was like, hey, oh dude, I'm trying to hug you.

Get the fuck out of here with tattoo. It's not, I did not like it at all. And I'm still battling with it as I'm leaning out right now. Right, so what is now, now your, now Adams was, you know, because he was on testosterone, went off testosterone. But if you're natural, can your, how your, because he was on testosterone, went off testosterone, but if you're natural, can your, how your, like what makes up your diet change,

how you store body fat? Theoretically, I'd have to say yes. If you're eating it away, that you're getting lots of cortisol and insulin, you may store body fat a little bit differently than versus if growth hormone is higher and testosterone is higher. So overall health, I think, obviously he's gonna help with fat loss, but it might help with how you store

the body fat as well. And in my experience, this is purely anecdote. This is my anecdote. But men who tend to store body fat in their chest, in my experience tend to do better with lower carbohydrate diet. Now, when you look this up online, you see lots of anecdotes that kind of supports this.

I don't know if any science will ever support it, but it seems to me, whenever I worked with guys who, because it's not super common, right? It's not super common that a guy will store fat and his chest. It's not super uncommon either, but it's not nearly as common as just the belly. Right. And with those guys, it's always like,

I cut their carbs way down, bumped up their fats, and maybe it's giving them a better hormone profile, but they just got better results than if they did the low fat type option. That's my own personal experience. I don't have any science to support it. Again, the best diet that works for you is the one that's gonna work for your particular body,

but you gotta get leaner, and then build up your chest muscles. The bigger your upper chest cuts, the less boobish it's gonna look right. I've got to avoid jumping jacks. I'm not gonna look. Thanks, Justin. Yeah, appreciate that.

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