Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 809: How to Lose Fat Instead of Muscle, Ideal Length of Rest Period Between Sets, Avoiding Fat Gain & Muscle Loss When Reducing Exercise Volume & MORE

Episode Date: July 7, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the importance of rest period timing for certain goals such as hypertrophy, strength and endurance, what dictates how much fat vs muscle someone loses when they are in a deficit, recommendations for someone who wants to cut their workout days in half without losing muscle and gaining fat and what could get them on death row. Who doesn’t want to be energetic??!! New Mind Pump sponsor Life Aid. (3:32) The guys get real, would you rather freeze or burn to death? (9:56) Sal and Adam explore the creepy camouflage “tree” house out in the Carmel Hills. (17:10) The Mind Pump Mule and Sal’s Hangover Cure. (23:25) How Sal is weird in a nerdy way. (26:55) Do Adam’s dogs have ADD? (29:32) What’s next?? The guys give their opinions on the recent news of the Miss American pageant eliminating the swimsuit portion. (35:12) #Quah question #1 – What is the importance of rest period timing for certain goals such as hypertrophy, strength and endurance? (46:52) #Quah question #2 - What dictates how much fat vs muscle someone loses when they are in a deficit? (56:50) #Quah question #3 – Do you have any recommendations for someone who wants to cut their workout days in half without losing muscle and gaining fat? (1:07:02) #Quah question #4 – If they were on death row, what would it be for? What would be their last meal? (1:12:53) People Mentioned: Beyond The Barbell (@btbpodcast)  Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram Aaron Alexander (@alignpodcast)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: LIFEAID Beverage Co. **Try 2 cans for 99 cents!!** Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Brew Dr. Kombucha Align Podcast Miss America eliminates swimsuit competition and won’t judge contestants on physical appearance The effects of short versus long inter-set rest intervals in resistance training on measures of muscle hypertrophy: A systematic review The Life of David Gale MAPS Programs Mind Pump FREE Resources Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com.   Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com!   Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates.   Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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Hell yeah. Basically free. Then we have a little debate. Would you have the freeze or burn? Which one do you choose? That's obvious one. Then we talked about our fourth of July. Get away. We were up in the mountains of Carmel. It was beautiful up there and we discovered a camouflage spy house. It was really weird. A couple of luthu dolls of Justin and Beth. I'm not very creepy. We also mentioned my hangover prevention remedy and includes activated charcoal and organifies green juice.

Love that green juice. We are sponsored by Organifi. If you go to organifi.com, forward slash mind pump and enter the code, mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Then we talked about the Miss America pageant eliminating the swimsuit portion. What? Just lost your mind. Justin's not gonna watch anymore. He's an awful idea. Find out during off the TV. How we would. And then we came up with our own version of what we think the Miss America should look like.

Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what is the importance of rest period timing for certain goals? For example, what if you just want to build muscle or what if you want to just maximal strength or if you want lots of endurance? How should you manipulate your rest periods to maximize each of those? The next question is when you're in a calorie deficit, what things dictate how much fat you lose versus how much muscle you lose? There's a big problem when people try to lose weight and that problem is losing muscle, which just slows down the metabolism. How do you prevent that?

And the next question was, this individual is working out six days a week, high volume, crazy training, but now would like to work out three to four days a week because they've been listening to our episode for a little while and they know that might be better off for them to do so. How can they scale it back without gaining lots of body fat? And the final question, if we were all on death row, why would we be on death row? And what would our last meal be?

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and the 50% off maps in a ballac at mindpumpmedia.com. I feel a little uh, little Flemmi. This morning. Flemmi? Yeah. Is that a thing? Flemmi? Yeah.

Can I be Flemmi? Yeah, so Flemmi is to be of Flemm, or Flemish. Wow. No Flemish is a, isn't that from a country? I feel like, yeah, that's a different meaning. Are you from another country? What country is it? I'm from Flemish.

Can I be Flemish? Doug, is that a thing? You can be Flemish. No, not Flemish. Flemish. I can be Flemish. I feel Flemish. Flemish.

Maybe, did you happen to share anything that I had put my saliva on Whoa like a joint Possibly yeah, you might be sick. I'm East why you're sick again Like I was just you know remember when we first started I used to get sick a lot I'll never get sick anymore, dude. You're ill, but you weren't always sick. Sometimes illists. But you're ill.

You know what I attribute that to? Party eight. Party eight. Party eight, oh, cuz you can go hard and I can recover harder. That's right. That's gonna be a terrible commercial. Actually, actually, like when we first met with the guy from, what was his name?

Did you get you get you can't do that? Fuck up Aaron's name like that. Aaron. I love him. He's a great guy Yeah, but I'm always skeptical with like you know drinks like this or whatever Yeah, you look the ingredients and everything. It's legit. Yeah, man. It's no artificial sweet. Well, you know It's before we met caffeine and what I mean is like the ingredients are, like what he puts in there for party aid, or the things you would definitely want if you were going hard and you want to recover better. Like milk fizzle is in there,

five HTPs in there, like these are all things that help your brain deal with the, so you can regain that clarity from the fogginess from the night before. It just recover better. Like milk thistle for example helps your liver detoxify. It's also my favorite tasting one too. Partie eight?

Yeah, yeah. Well you know that one's the one that I picked. So you have to pick a different one. I like life ate the best. You know, I think partie it's flavor. Your life ate. No, no, no. No, I'm life ate.

Did they start out with life ate? That was the first one. Or was it, I thought he'd mentioned it was golf first, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no That's the black can. That's the first one. That's fit aid. That was a fit aid was the very first one. And I remember the first time I ever saw it, I saw it at a CrossFit gym. And I remember tasting it and I was like,

oh, I really liked this. And I looked at the back of it and I'm like, 45 calories. Yeah, I looked at the back of it. I'm like, oh, this is better than a red bull. You know what I'm saying? The red bull's got a bunch of other garbage inside. But they don't sweeten it with artificial stuff.

Yeah, that's good. That's what I mean. But Fidate, I think, has the branching amino acids and I can't remember what else is there. The party aids the one that I've been using because I like that. The milk fissile tyrosine for neurotransmitters, five HTP, it's like a good.

I know you've been buying them. We're supposed to get a case of it sent to us with the refrigerators. I've been drinking them. And you've been buying them every morning. Yeah, I actually like them a lot. No, no, I like them too. I really like.

So I had been told, first I got heard about it when I was working out at Buddy's Gym, who told me like, you got to meet the guys from Life Aid. They're really fucking cool. That was the first time I heard it. Then I heard it again when we were hanging out at the Spartan and we met some other, member of the dudes from Barbell, the Barbell show, that we can't name their show, what's their show called? Barbell, beyond the Barbell.

Beyond the Barbell, those guys were kept ranting and raving about the life of guys, Ben Greenfield. It must have been like five people later, I was like, we have to meet these guys. Because we really weren't, we didn't wanna do it. We wanted nothing to do with, yeah, we were so anti anything to do with supplements or energy dream anything we were so against it that we like just ignored it for such a long Peer time by the time I get about five people they're like you need to meet with these guys that you will you're gonna like them and

Sure, shit the first time we all hung out. I was like, oh, this is our people for sure So love the message love the brand love the guys behind the brand for sure. So love the message, love the brand, love the guys behind the brand, doing some cool stuff, dude. And they're just growing, man. They're everywhere. They're in whole foods. And I see it like all over the place, every gas station I'm at now, too, as well. That's a tough business to succeed into. I can't, it was so impressive because like Adam was saying, like I used to see these little coolers that they would put in gyms or CrossFit gyms or functional training kind of like gyms just initially to get the word out and like trainers sort of adopted it and then I sought grow

like over the years like crazy. I just think it's really clever how they brand it with like each each like the golfer a the life a the party a and each one of those has like two to three grams of a supporting supplement for what that person probably would need. So for the function, right? Yeah, we're not, we're not talking about just getting cracked out in, in energetics. Like that's where we're going to get energetic. Yeah. So energetic.

I got so, cat, all you got to do is just flood the caffeine in there and that's, you know, usually the formula. We don't use that word in sugar. The word energetic is not used enough. Yeah. You know what I mean? It'd be like, who doesn't want to be energetic? Yeah, energetic.

Yeah, I like that. So now that we're working with them and stuff, we have a really cool campaign that they're doing and it's try to can. So any two cans you want for 99 cents. So that's kind of cool. And you just go to our lifeaidbevco.com for slash mind pump.

And there's a landing page there, so people can go right through the landing page and then order it so you get to try it out for, and then you can't beat that, dude, 99 cents. I mean, they're losing on it, but that's what's dope is the product so rad, that's when you know you got a solid product and a solid company is that, I mean,

between shipping the cans alone itself, we're gonna cost them almost that much money. So, they're losing on that, counting on that, you know, greater people will like that. Yeah, that a greater percentage of people will still like them. And you can actually get them shipped, which is nice, which is why we could actually work with them

because we can't do stuff. It's tough when we, I mean, we have, you know, the brew doctor and stuff that we get to do something with that they're in whole foods only, but most companies, they don't ship online because how expensive it is, but they actually they actually do exactly so excited about that one. I'm just I'm just excited about the bathroom You're wearing right now Trying to make a fashion statement in the gym. It's cold in here. It is cold

It's cold in here and I had nothing in my dad move right there We can't we cannot I don't give a shit for the life of us cannot get the right temperature in any place we work. It just doesn't work that way. It's either freeze or die of heat. There's nothing in the middle. And I would rather freeze than die of heat. That's just where I'm at. I agree.

I'm not even complaining. Like I got no problem. Yeah. Robe it out. This is okay. Wait a minute. That's a good question. Would you rather freeze to death or die the death of heat

or burn the death? Burn the death or freeze the death? Freeze the death for sure. Not only that, I'd rather be freezing cold. I would rather a super hot. I think freezing the death would take longer to die. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like if I dropped you on the top of the Himalayas, how long would you last? Yeah, but I feel like you would, because it's cold, you would get numb. Like you would, it's so cold that you would numb and then die right? Right? Everything would slow it out.

Burning is like your skin melting and your, it's melted, it's gone. You don't feel nothing. You're nervous, you don't. Yeah, the process of it being melted though. He's first going to burn the hair and burn the layer of skin off. I feel like you die faster in the fire.

It's so much more comfortable. And you would in the, in the, I think you would be, but now you're saying you're on fire. I thought we were just like overheated. You know, why do we have to take the high to take to the extreme with that? Why can't you just say would you rather be really fucking cold?

Yeah, or so hot, right? Like, which one would you rather be? Well, it depends on the temperature. Like, would you, would you? Well, give a realistic. All right, fine. You're gonna be at 104 degrees. You gotta walk 33 degrees. You got to walk

5 miles in 120 degree weather or or 5 miles in 10 degree weather 10 degree in Yeah, make it both ways. No, that's not fair. Why so here's it. Here's where I can like mess with my internal core Temperature that's manipulated. Oh god. Now because you did Wim Haw internal core temperature. That's manipulative. Oh God, now because he did a Wim Hof, we were just, I have the powers. Just the demuted.

He wins one ice bath challenge. Does Wim Hof not work for heat? You know, I don't know about that. I've never tried it, but it's, that's a thing. I can't stand heat, so I don't know that might be. Well, think about this way.

I like, as humans, okay. There's a lot more that we can do to warm ourselves up than to cool ourselves off. Like you can only take off so much clothes. If it's 120 outside and you're completely made- You can't put them all without technology, you see that it's all technology. Right, right.

But we are allowed, we are allowed to use that. Closer technology. Right, that's like I have to be able to jump in water. You know, if I'm like super, super hot, like I gotta be around water, I'm just like- But if you're in a cold environment, you can bundle up and cover up. Like if you're in a super hot environment, gotta be around water. Yeah, I'm just like, but if you're in a cold environment, you can bundle up and cover up like if you're in a super hot environment, you can only get away from it.

Yeah, you can't get away from it. Oh, how about this? Here's a new one. Walking five miles and 120 degree heat, wearing winter clothes, or walking five miles in 10 degree, whether wearing summer clothes. Yeah, that's, I mean, again, it's gonna go back to the cold.

10 degrees wearing shorts and a tank top? I've done 30 below, you know, in Chicago. Have you really? Yeah, I've never done that. It's horrible. I haven't been 30. What's that like? It's piercing.

Like, you can't, like, you can't even like ignore it. You know, you're just walking, it penetrates through whatever you're wearing. It doesn't matter unless you have like a down coat, which I found out later. That's the move. And I was like wearing three sweatshirts and two jeans and like... It's not because how the doubling tripling down holds the heat inside or what. Yeah, it keeps everything, your core temperature within. But let's tell it down.

Yeah, it just keeps everything, yeah, your core temperature within. But like, let's tell it down. Yeah, it's down. It's down. Like, I don't know what it is about like the wind factor is the wind chill factor that it just really just gets right through. No, that's what makes it a bone. I imagine Chicago's up there with some of the coldest places to be. Yeah. Because it's right off of the Canada, so you get all that cold front from Canada coming up the lake

and then off the lake, you get that wind that just blows right back coming off the lake and then off the lake you get that wind that just blows right back. Your teeth shut right away, just when you go outside, you can't. You guys are like just, ah, like you brace like so hard, cause like you just, freeze your nose hairs.

Tense up all your muscles. I heard you feel like, oh yeah, you feel it, you're in freeze, it sucks. Wow, you know what's, your eyes and everything's hard to see. You know what's remarkably good for cold and hot, what material?

The mind pump t-shirts in heat. And more regulated. It's hustling right now. It's like hustling. It's, it's so, it's so our stay authentic. It's the month special. Especially when you buy like six of them and you lay.

Right. If you wear six, that's what I'm trying to say. You can wait. If it's really hot, you only need one. If depending on the weather, you add the shirts and they provide protection. My pump t-shirts. That's a good call.

Absolutely. So what did you do just in last night after you left us? So we've already lost the Scotts Valley and checked out a little bit of fireworks. But basically, he went home and did sparklers. He did sparklers. It was like, hey, look at the air.

You know, you kind of see him and you made it make a big deal. I did. I mean, it sound like he went somewhere. Hey, what'd you do, Sal? I went to the San Jose and I feel like the boys, I feel like the boys are having more fun chasing the dogs around and making smores even though they could have fireworks. Yeah, they probably were. Yeah, we had like great intentions going in

and we're just all super just tired. Bro, when you got kids, man. Yeah. Because you guys are chasing around. Your kids are pretty good though. They're not bad kids. Why should hope not? Yeah, they're good kids.

It's to beat them. Yeah, that's why they're good. Yeah, no, we don't want to do that. No, they're very well behaved. Oh, good. Dude, Ethan is just so fun to talk to you, dude. He's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got that age right now where I love to talk to kids around my age, dude.

Like give or take two or three years where he's at right now. This, like, they feel like their brains are moving so fast. And they, they're really, like, I feel like they're really intelligent at this point. You know what I'm saying? Up and up into that point, it's kind of like, the kids running around trying to figure things out. But like now he's like, start, you could see him trying to process things, right?

And so I love to challenge them in just a conversation. Like you'll have to be talking with them and you ask instead of just letting them give you an answer, you ask them challenging questions like, well why, why do you say that? Or why do you think that? You're having a, and to hear how they articulated is really great. And he was showing me, he really wants to be a YouTube star.

He did a bunch of stop motion videos. Yeah, so his phone is just full of all these stop motion videos. I mean, he must have 30 in there, and you may be watching mall, right? So I'm like, so he's not gonna let you leave till you watch like, to the very end of each video. It's great.

What's great though is like, he's really into it, and you can tell he's put a lot of time and effort into making him and he's into improving on it. Like and so. I was, I was doing it. He's like a couple years away from working for us, I think. I think so, yeah. He came up with a minimum weight.

Well, Pam and Goldfish, exactly. He's going through the picture. Some of the stop motion pictures and a couple of them are blurry and Justin's like, yeah I know you need to work on some of those blurry ones and I looked at him and said, you know you should ask your dad for the iPhone 10 Now you got that in his hand now he's like, yeah dad, look at my iPhone 10 Never try to take this serious thing Adam. Yeah, dude you make local animal by if you missed out bro on the the secret house. Oh, you didn't see it. So was it up the I think I saw it was up the mountain. No, no, no, no,

it's with the swing. No, no, no, yeah. Yeah. So there's a so we we rented this. I didn't like go up there, but I saw that we rented this like amazing home in the mountains of Carmel, and it's this huge house, all this land. It was a trippy house, the way it was put together. It was like a separate room that was separate downstairs, and you could tell the people that made it were eclectic, and it was actually really, really cool place to stay. But then when we're out in the patio area,

what the fire is, if you look up the mountain, I think Adam pointed out, he's like, there's like a house up there, but it looks camouflage. You know those old, you know those Vietnam movies where they'll like cover equipment with green, they're not blankets, but they almost look like, they're like camouflaged to hide them from helicopters or stuff like that.

Like nets. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So we saw some of that. We're like, is there a house up on the, like, what is that? And I'm kind of tripping on like, is there someone up there? Like, what is that? So he's got like a scope. Yeah, look at everybody.

So later on of the day, you should hear this creature I'm like, is it? So later on of the day, Adam and I are like, he's like, I'm like, do let's go and see because it was a trail that goes upstairs, and there was like this landing, but it looks like that's where the stairs end. And Adam's like, no, he goes, there's a trail further than that,

and he goes, I wonder if that goes to the house up there. So we're like, let's fuck and do it. So we get on the stairs, go all the way up, get up to the landing, go up this trail, and sure enough, it leads, first there's a sign that says, private property. All over there's private, no trespass.

Private property, don't trespass, don't trespass. So now I'm like, what the fuck? You're like, we're still going. No, and so we're still going, but we're all like super. Yeah. We're like, you're gonna set off a trip. We're not sure we're walking up on somebody else's house. We don't know what's going on.

We're like, we're like to step on some landmine. It's like a mystery, right? So we're going up there and then we see the door and Adam's like, oh shit, it's like I think it's open. So, first we walk around. We walk around, we look around the property up there and sure enough it's like a tree house up in the mountain with camouflage covering it.

Yeah, look kind of like how hunters they set up like some little shabby, right? Yeah, that they can slide. So what the fuck is this, right? It's just big though, it's like. No, no, no, this is, you're gonna get creeped out. You need to creeped out. Good.

So we walk in, there's like 15 computer screens up on the wall. And each one of them is an angle in the house that we were staying in its videotaping all of us. Shit the fuck up. I'm just carrying that parking lot. I was like son of a bitch. I'm so glad you didn't spend the night there like you assholes.

That part to lie. That last part was a lie. No, it's just a house. It's just like a two. Man, so many people are doing this. You know, and then there were pictures of all of us. And then there were all of us. And an ex, an ex was covering your face.

Oh my god, you guys made it out. I've heard a word you. There was an ex over your face. No, no, no, wait a second. I said that afterwards to everybody downstairs, for me and Adam would have fucking scared the shit that everybody. No, it's just a tree house type thing. Put a full blown house.

It's fucking sick, kitchen, bathroom, shower, bedroom. Oh, it's on self-sustained. But it's part of the house. Weird. That was down there. Because then there's signs of everything like, please turn off the lights when you leave. And so you can tell it's part of the Airbnb.

So it was really cool though. So you can rent that and the big house. I think we did. Yeah, we had access to that. Weird. Yeah. So you could rent that and the big house. I think we did. Yeah, we had access to that. Weird. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. So what I think, first off, we had access to it's awesome.

But the reason why I think it was, so here's the part of it, because I'm like, why are they camouflaging it? That's kind of weird. So then as we're leaving, we look under the house and we're looking at the foundation, Adam starts cracking it up and he's like, this is not up to code at all.

I bet they built the shit and tell anybody and put the camel on it so nobody sees that it's there. You know? That makes sense. But it was really cool. It's like a full, it's a full, that's a mountain person. Like that's what we do.

Oh yeah, you just put it up and like, you put the tell me buddy about it. And there's a lot effort. I mean, the just put it up and like, you can tell anybody about it. And there's a lot of effort. I mean, the trail is, they actually had these nice, little brick stones that were, and the like, little solar panel lights that led up the trail. And it was, you could tell that they had somebody

who keeps it cleaned up so you can get all the way up there. But it definitely had a little creepy feel to it for sure. The old swing that was sitting on there. Oh, and then there was also the window to the kitchen in there, because it was a small house. It was probably the size of this room right here. Maybe even smaller.

About this. And then there was a window and the window is looking into the mountain because the mountain keeps sloping up. And then there were all these little Easter Island, you know Easter Island statues? Yeah, the Moai. Okay, there you go.

So there's a whole bunch of them like looking into the window. It was kind of cool. Creepy. Interesting. Creepy. Definitely the people. What's it creepy, dude?

This is a little creepy. If the cameras were there, that's what they were right there. Yeah, Easter Island, yeah. What are they called, Moai? Yeah, I thought that's what they're called. What are they? What are they?

It's a mystery. Yeah, nobody knows why. Yeah. And like where did they come from and because like even How did they go there? So you tell me that we don't even know they brought them. We don't even know what that signifies and and you don't think that's creepy that it's up in a house like that. Well, no, they those were obviously replicas. They didn't have the actual East Island, but I know, but that's what that's what makes it creepy to me. It's a no people decorating the old, you know, ancient Civilization. Oh, come on, bro. There was bud no people decorate in the old, you know, ancient civilization. Oh, come on, bro. There was budas.

There was all kinds of stuff all over the place. But the actual East dryland ones, they don't know why those are there. Are those called white? Doug, you know, okay. We'll find out. I don't know. So we don't know anything about those. I never know.

No, we will find out that we have Doug on the on the trail right now. It does on the trail. Doug's on the trail. Don't fail us, Doug. Yeah, I think I think you might have been of the trail. Dugs on the trail. Don't fail us, Doug. Yeah, I think you might have been wrong. Oh, you should have. I should have a bit.

Oh, he was right. Yes. Good job, Justin. I'm guest. Yeah. What episode is number is this? Write it down. Yeah, I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Anyway, we had a good time, dude. It was a good time. Good time over there. That was a really nice place. That was a good call. Good time over there. That was really nice place. That was a good call good good people Good drinks you have completely ruined

Moscow meals for me. I mean that's I order them at bars all the time the mind of the meal. I mean it's It's a staple thing the way you make them better than anybody else though I started experimenting with... I started experimenting. I did this a long time ago with other supplements. So way back in the day, you know, I used to be able to buy like branch amino acid powder and they'd flavor it with like all these chemicals and it tasted kind of sweet. I would mix drinks with that because I thought it was better than alcohol. So why not throw some BCAAs in there?

See what happens. Anyway, it's not better than alcohol, by itself. But I am trying to figure out a way to use, to like, we do the charcoal when we drink, right, to kind of offset some of that. We also have the gluten-free T-dose. T-dose, that's a good call. The other thing is the, I've used also is the green juice.

I'll do that before and after a drink and then before bed the gold juice from organifi. And I have yet to have a really shitty feeling following morning. And then a party ate, you know, the next day, right? Dude, you got it all. It works fully covered now. So I can't wait until we have the cases in there so we can use it like that more often. Cause what we, I haven't done is take a partied with us to like a trip like that

to where I did have it afterwards. Yeah, I'm, you know, I've been following the protocol that you set for us. Charcoal. What trip were we on when you, that was like ever since then, I was like, oh shit, I can actually drink everyone's in a while now.

Must have been Austin. You, you gave us all pills. We were all, I'll never forget it. We were all out somewhere. Oh, it was Austin. It was Austin. It was Austin and we were at that cool little swanky bar. Yeah.

And we were all sitting out and Saved comes out and he's like, he tells everyone we're not there. We're late. Yeah, it gives everybody two charcoal pills. Nobody even asked me any more. We didn't question anymore. Let me just give you guys a second.

Well, because you're, you're, you're, you're, you hoard everything. We're less, we're less, you're less, you're less likely to like not share it than to fucking over share Well, so I'm gonna give you pills. I'm like yeah, do you do this? Well, there's there's a reason for that You can't no way Adam couldn't hold any pills Take a walk Or forget right this good

So we take like the time to take one like the time to take 15 servings of what you recall it On it The alpha brain. Yeah, 50 you took like 15 brain the shit Evil spirits took over me I was throwing up like a dragon called my mom over that You had you thought you were yeah evil shit was coming out of your shirt You thought you had you thought you were yeah evil shit was coming at you for sure 15 servings

Fuck it. Yeah, you went you went deep. No, dude. I'm charcoal the green the charcoal and green juice is what I've been doing the most That's that's what I've been the most yeah the most consistent with that also and that makes such a huge now the other side of this is I don't drink until I can't see anymore. I don't think nothing I don't think anything will save me It was do that anymore. Yeah, no, I wonder if anything. I'm not. I don't think anything will save anything. I wonder if the organify people know that that's how we use their supplements. What, to help us drink more? Yeah, I've got bad habits. They can't be happy with that commercial.

I don't know. Using them that way? Realistic. I mean, people, I'm just talking about my experience. I mean, that's all. I agree. I mean, it works for me too.

Yeah. I mean, I use their. I agree. I mean, it works for me too. So, I mean, I use their protein in the, probably two, three days of work. Dude, how about when Aaron Alexander came over here, from what you would call it? This dude, online podcast. Yeah, there's this movement on this, and this is where I was always afraid

that Sal could get this weird. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was going down this holistic path that I was like, do not be the guy who shows up to work every day, barefoot and no shirt on, and we'll take a cup out of the trash and mix a protein shake with your finger in it.

Like don't become that guy, please don't become that guy. He literally did that, dude. We were all, we were all, we just got done shooting. He reaches in our trash can. He throws out, it goes over to our organified protein shake. He put it in. It was an old cup, what it was, it was an old cup, and I had some fluid in it.

We don't know what that was. And he just dumped out the fluid. I think I was like an old coffee cup. He just dumped out the fluid. Whatever, I don't care what it was. It was an old, it was an old, it was an old, he got his organified protein, but then he mixed it with his two fingers.

Which doesn't mix very well. Yeah, no, those things. Yeah. You can shit it. Shitting of those things, you still don't mix it perfect. No, he was chewing. I remember the days he used to put like scoops in your mouth, and then he'd try and like put water in afterwards.

I did that with a pre-workout. I did that with a pre-workout. I did that with a pre-workout. I pre-workout and pre-teen things like that. Cause you just want to get in, you know what I mean, dude. That's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is gnarly.

Yeah, no. It's like eating salty and crackin. Yeah. Yeah, that is gnarly. Yeah, it's like eating salty and crackin. It's almost impressive, I'll be honest. Yeah, and I'm weird in a different way. I'm not weird in that way. No, you're weird in a good way. I balanced it off. Every once in a while when we get into the holistic hippie talk

and so with that I get a little worried. What's hippie talk? You know what I'm talking all about, all your chakra and tumouric and in. When the hell did I talk about chakra? You know I'm Celeste on us. I've never brought up a chakra. That's usually when you have that golden hue.

It's only when we have that emanates. That was you. That was me. That has to be the bro that day. We were at the beach. I don't know what I just did eight or whatever. We're sitting there and he's looking at me.

And every he would look straight ahead and he would looking at me. And he would look straight ahead and he would look at me like this, kind of sideways. And then he'd look away and start laughing. Like, he couldn't look at me. Like, what, dude, he's like, my mind was playing tricks on me or something. You're golden. And then he'd look away and start laughing.

He was golden one. He was golden one. What would you do if I started floating right there? I was like, you can see me He was right about himself, you know This whole time yeah about himself up about himself I told you dude I'm insane this little time

I didn't believe you dude It was nice to see you good for you You're gul golden. Yeah, it was nice to see your guys as dogs Hang out a little bit. Yeah, that's not the first time they met. Is it got along pretty well? Yeah, no I think that was the first time they hung out. Yeah, that's the first time our last bit around though I mean I was only but eight months old There was only one little Scruff little kerfuffle. Yeah, that was when who was it was trying to have sex with it with it was Bentley was just trying to oh Bentley tried to mount them a little yeah but that's you know they're typical if they're dogs in their owners you know me very same way I react this first time

I met Justin yeah but who's my Arlo wasn't having it in some of the friends after that get off me dude you're not like that all right just be friends I had to try. I had to try. So, damn, we just wanted to see. But then they were all good. They were all good after that. Yeah, no, they, you know, it's the boys are, they get anxiety, man. It's really weird, like, and I know partially. Is it anxiety or is it excitement or it doesn't matter?

Same difference, right? I think, and the part that I blame myself on is I didn't socialize them enough when they were younger. They had like one or two dog friends of friends of mine that had dogs and they would play with occasionally, but I didn't take them to the dog parts on a regular basis.

And you know, they're in that they were always in between that small dog and big dog. Like they do better with like big dogs because they can handle themselves like big dogs because they were in the Billyway's 75 pounds But they're short and stocky, you know, I'm saying so the center of gravity Yeah, and so because of that I didn't really take them around those like you know their teen years as a dog or whatever and Ever since then like they just get really weird and I would take Bentley out and this this is just around a lot of people. Yeah, people, it doesn't have to be dogs, just people. Like they just don't get a lot of, like it's just everything around them.

He gets, like he has ADD, dude. We'll go and I'll take him to a restaurant where like Santana Roller, where you can eat outside and sit there. And he's like so excited of all the noises and the things that are going on that he just can't sit still. And you can see that, even if I have him tied up right next to me, he's so excited that his heart rate's going. So he's heart rate elevates and he's panting and he's breathing so heavy and the bulldogs, when they breathe that like that, it's so loud.

And so it's embarrassing. So you're trying to eat out there and as cute as the dogs are, they're breathing so heavy, I gotta think that the person who's sitting right next to me or across the way from me has to be so annoyed because if they're trying to have a nice conversation with their date or whatever and they gotta listen to my dog.

And it's like, oh God, dude. So I just don't take them that often. Unless it's like, if it's just Katrina and I, like they're fine, we take them everywhere we travel. When we travel, they'll go with us, as long as we're at a place that's dog friendly and stuff and they do just fine but with the group that we had I mean how many people we have there with all the kids and everything. I know there's a lot of. Yeah, we had about 12 or so close to that people at the house and so I just everyone's music's going barbecues playing in another dogs running around.

So, you know, we had them drugged up a little bit. So they we have these, you know, I don't know what you call them, suppressant or whatever for them that they take that they've the doctors given us that we use. They can't ex-Ivey. Yeah, and it works. It works pretty good. I was like, look at, he's like, look at them. They look like they're stung because they're like, yeah, they can't.

Oh, they think they calms them down. Yeah, it calms them down, but I can tell they're out of it. And I can tell they don't like being that way either. You can just see, I can just see it on them. I can see that they don't, it's not like, they're very cuddly. Yeah, they're not, they're such cuddly dogs. Especially Mazzie.

Mazzie's my lover. Bentley's like a, depends on when you get him, you know? Like he's, sometimes he's in that mood. Katrina, he's very close to her. She's because she's the, the lover of the, the two of us, like on the alpha, she's like the, if they're hurt or they're sad, and he's disciplined by me, they go over to her side of the bed and sit there and want her. They are watching TV Bentley will sit next to her because he's the needy one that

wants to. Mazi is my cool guy. Like he, I used to take him to Orange Theory all time. And this was really cool. I used to be able to Orange Theory all time. And this was really cool. I used to be able to go. And I would take him from the house, unleashed, no collar, no nothing, like hop him in the car. We'd show up to Orange Theory at five o'clock in the morning.

He jumps out with me, follows me into the building, and then he won't leave my heel more than about three feet. And so I could be teaching classes, critique, you know, critique and form, walking around, talking to people, black. And he just walking back and forth, sit right next to me, doesn't bug anybody that whether working out,

just wants to be close to me while I'm working. That was really cool. That I could do that with him, but I can't do that with Bentley. Bentley is just kidding. So he doesn't get anxious by himself, mom? No, yeah, by himself. The only reason why Mazi's even a little bit anxious

is because of Bentley, Bentley rubs off on him. And I always want to take Mazi places and Katrina's always getting mad at me. She's like, you can't take him because what happens is that he probably gets all but her. Yes. So it's the funniest thing. So I would take Mazi kids. I would take Mazi to Orange Theory. And then when I would come home, like, so when you walk in my door, you walk right into the pantry or the front area, right? And then when I would come home, like so when you walk in my door, you walk right into the pantry or the front area, right?

And then straight up as the stairs. And as soon as we'd walk in the door, you know, Mazi'd be next to me and Bentley would be at the top of the stairs just glaring. Like he'd been sitting there all day, just waiting, waiting for us to come in through the door and then he would just give like this dirty ass look to both of us, right?

Wouldn't come down, wouldn't greet me or anything like that. And then within an hour or two of us being home, they would be fighting, you know? And it would be Bentley just, and Bentley never antagonizes Mosey, except for when I take him somewhere and I don't take him. And so Katrina never lets me take just Mosey, but I would take him, I have him here right now.

I mean, because he's so easy, he would just be sleeping right now on the floor next to us. Yeah. But then I have to deal with them being jealous. That's so cute. That's a weird performance. That's so cute. Dude, did we ever talk about how the Miss America pageant is eliminating the swimsuit portion?

No, we didn't talk about it, but I did hear about it. Why? We are. What's it going to be? What is it going to watch it? Yeah, exactly. What's the incentive now to watch it? It's going to be about, I guess, what they say and their talents. Yeah. I don't know. Cr it. Yeah, exactly. What's the incentive now to watch? It's gonna be about, I guess, what they say and their talents.

Yeah. I don't know. Crickets. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. When's the first one that's gonna happen like that? Because it's just, it's just... This was recent.

This was like a couple months ago that this happened, right? That they kind of announced this. I don't know. I don't even know what, do they do in the Miss America pageant? They, because... Oh, you're... Vickinis. Well, they do a lot of things. They do a lot of things.

Yeah, they come out. They come out like 10 different times. Like one, they'll come out and they'll, I guess they're probably still gonna do the evening dress one, right? Don't they come out in an evening dress? They do do that. Yeah, so they'll still do that.

And then they answer questions. And they do a talk. They have some, they'd normally have something that they talk about. Like I don't know what their points are, they make them. Look it up. Look up with the Miss America pageant protocol is. Yeah.

So what do you guys think about that eliminating a talent should? Well, I want to know why. Like what is it, because there was a backlash, subjectifying them, is that why? I think that's why, yeah, I think it's along those lines, like they don't want them just to be judged upon their physical appearance. But I mean, they are getting judged on their appearance,

you know, because they're on the camera. This is part of, isn't that part of the show? I don't know, it's interesting, it's an interesting time, right? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I, what's wrong with them wearing bikinis? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. So let me explain this to me. I don't know. There's no male pageants is there? It's just bikini, I'm not eveninis. I have, I don't know. Somebody explained this to me. I don't know.

There's no male pageants, is there? It's just bikini, and it's modifilming. It's just the same. That's exactly what it is. Right, I mean, it's pretty much the same thing. You know, it's one of those things, it's like we, we're really, people have a tough time with like reality in the sense that people get judged

on physical appearance all the time. But I can understand the concept behind removing this because this is kind of making it because I can almost, I almost feel like this is the more popular part of the show. It'll be interesting to see. Of course it is. If, I mean, I imagine that Miss America is probably watched predominantly by women. But there's probably a good 30 or 40% of the audience as men.

Well, it's just, and you gotta think that that's what a majority of them are watching. I don't know. At least some majority. You know, there's somebody on here that's like, no, man, I listen to it for this speech. It's entertainment though. It's not like, I don't know.

I mean, unless it's highlighting movers and shakers, you know, women, powerful women that are like taking over, you know, like, powerful women that are like taking over, you know like Whatever direction like workwise or like we're turning this into something completely different We're just before that we were just like oh, you know who's like a beautiful like intelligent person in my state So it's gonna be like a just a talent show. Yeah I don't understand. It's plain when it is It's literally what we say is it's just because we're objectifying women, that's why.

Yeah, they're trying to evolve it, they say. Yeah, what? Because of the cultural revolution. So I think it's the me to movement and all this other stuff, this kind of driving this. Well, the physical attraction part, that's kind of part of it, and no matter what almost, you can't really eliminate that.

I think it's just a bikini aspect, you know what I mean? Otherwise, they're still gonna get points on how they look, right? Yeah, I don't know. Well, yeah. What's next? I just don't understand the appeal of it. I wonder if the ratings were dropping, because I'm pretty sure the ratings were not doing good

and they're trying to figure out a way to get more ratings. I don't know if that's the way to do it. Backward strategy, in this case. No. Yeah. We're not doing good and they're trying to figure out a way to get more ratings. I don't know if that's the way to do it backward strategy No, okay, so yeah The two options were eliminate the bikini portion or they're probably just scared do it in the fall or literally eliminate it Let's either eliminate it or really eliminate them wearing anything and see how that goes. Yeah, I wonder There's yeah, it's a scholarship. They're hmm. What does that say? Oh, wow. You've actually dug, you've made the mistake of clicking on one of Tai Lopez's videos now, so it follows you around everywhere.

Maybe the most aggressive marketer. Women will not be judged on their outside appearance, so it's no longer a pageant, but instead a competition. So they're going to change the whole thing completely then. Interesting. Yeah, they're going to change the whole thing. What What's interesting is definitely have to see how that plays out? Hmm, well, we'll see yeah, it's interesting to see where Where media is trying to go with certain things, right? Yeah, I look I applaud it. Here's a deal

The how many people watch it is gonna tell right is gonna tell how people receive it because I think sometimes we have good ideas Well, what do they get now? We want people to be a particular way But then and society agrees with it, but then it's well Let's see. How about we look at it this way if you guys were to organize a Miss America pageant Okay, Miss America was someone who represents America as a female. Mm-hmm. What would you want them to what would you want them to do? If I wanted some female. What would you want them to, what would you want them to do? If I wanted some, okay, this misamerica, the representing America, this is a woman that should win. She's, misamerica. She is the woman of America. What do I want? What do I want her attributes to be or what?

So, and so, so how would I, yeah, I think I wouldn't have the beginning part, but I'd have a physical fitness part. Like you've got to like, do shit. No, I agree. Yeah, I mean, you got to show that you gotta be a fat ass and intelligent. I mean, those are two things. I'd want her to smart. Healthy, strong. Smart, healthy, strong.

Physically fit in the sense that you can like do an obstacle course. I want to see how good you are with a gun. Like a picket shoot, really. Wow. You're a Miss America, bro. You need to be able, like, you know, show it, that was a terrible gun noise. Pupu.

Pupu. You want a shoota. You can see he shot a terrible gun noise. Pupu! You want to shoot a... You can see he shot a lot of guts. What a shoot of laser. No, but shoot a gun. What's another one? You should be able to win a debate. Again, somebody that's really smart. There should be a debate in there.

I agree. I like a physical challenge, some sort of an obstacle course that both challenges, you know, strength and endurance. So it's like a mix of the two. So you got to be, you don't have to be the strongest person in the world. You don't have to be the fastest or the best endurance, but a nice mixture of that. Yeah. Right. Something that has to, that highlights intellect, which I like debate. Well, debate does that. Yeah. I agree. I think we all can agree that they, they, they can have like a moderator and there's a topic and the girls have to go heads up on themselves.

Maybe have them do a presentation on how they would tackle a problem in the world. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think invent something. Now that's one of the ones I think they do. So then when I was talking about how they get up there and talk, I think they have to do something like that.

They do, but the questions are already pre-loathing. No, I don't think so. I think they're random. Oh, really? I think they're like, yeah, what do you think about whatever? And and then they have to but though they I've never seen them answer questions really well No, that's exactly I think that was my concern because like you've seen like them ask them really tough questions like that How to solve like well maybe that's what they're like? This is probably why this went this direction is probably they started looking back at like listen

You know we got to improve this this is supposed to be Miss America and she can't even answer the most basic. I just don't want them to eliminate like, you know, like, taking beautiful women and putting them out there. Like, let's have like make like, what's wrong with that? Well, I think so I'm okay. What's wrong with that? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm game with Justin here that it, I want, I want Miss Merrick to be, not only I want her to be a bad ass, I want her to be kind of hot too. I of hot to be kind of hot dude. It's be hot too. That's not too much What has to be more has to be marketable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Cuz she's representing our country that opposed everybody else's country So I want her to be the shit did yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so she's she's gotta be give me all those things You know, I don't know though. I think I think in a track When you look at all those qualities attractiveness Is different than just the physical though, you know, I mean like if you had imagine though Well imagine if you had an average looking girl who did the fit thing she shot the gun real good Then she got the debate. She was hella smart and witty and charismatic and great an intelligent and sharp and then she talked about She's gonna appear way more attractive

That's fair. Yeah, attractive girl that doesn't attractive. That's fair. And the really, yes. Attractive, rural, that doesn't do me a lot. That's fair. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you weigh it out. Exactly, yeah. But, you know, I mean, I think that, just like, I mean, this is how they judge in men's physique,

even though they don't actually say the same. They don't have you guys talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I mean by that. You guys just had minutes to get talk. It's still subjective to like how you look, like, I mean, at the end at the other day these guys are looking to put you on magazine. So if you don't think that if there's two guys that are exactly the same and one of them's fucking ugly as shit and the other guys, you know,

all American blonde. It's just reality. It is. It's sorry. You know, I'm saying so it's still it's a factor. So I think that I think those other factors should play the biggest role. But I think that I think he's just too PC if like we just like, you know, why can't I have a being a be keening? I mean that why not? I mean, I don't. Yeah. Whatever. You're supposed to do it. It's a TV. I think dead thing. I think people say what they what they want, but then the way they behave really shows what they want. Right. And I think if you pull a bunch of people should should they be judged on their appearance most people would be like well No, that's not fair exactly, but then are they gonna tune in and watch a bunch of unattractive people?

No, you know, and that's just a reality It's just reality and this is like being honest You know, it's like a lot of people won't say that just because oh, I want to be so like politically correct and not getting kind of backlash Mm-hmm, you know, but it like, you're not gonna fucking watch that. But he's gonna watch that. Yeah, it's, yeah. And we'll see, we'll see with the, with the, yeah, proof we wrong show.

I feel like we could have came up with another thing that they had to do. That was really cool. I don't know. I just feel like there's something else out there that I will want Miss America to be able to do. Like, all the things that she, Miss America, I came up with a good one.

I think a good one shooting a gun will be going. No, I agree. I'm not, it's funny as it was. I'm like, okay, because that makes her like I won't miss America I want her to I want to feel like Miss America could defend me Right like we had to go like to kill a terrorist or something Yeah, yeah, it says like a patriot missile I mean, I want to I want to think that like if something happened we got trapped in a building There's we're being held hostage or something like that.

And I find out the chick sit next to me. She looks over and she goes, don't worry, I'm Miss America. Yeah, no, yes. I'm like, we're all gay, we're getting out of here. You know what I'm saying? She's either gonna be able to negotiate her way out of here. She's gonna be able to trick the guy

because she's smart or potentially whoop his ass. Or shoot him if she gets this gun. You know what I'm saying? That's Miss America to me. I want to know if we get taken hostage I feel confident that we're getting out because she's there. Mm-hmm. So whatever those attributes are I think shooting a gun is good. I think some sort of a physical obstacle course and strength test to bait Yeah, good to bait right solving a problem Those are the only ones I can think of like critical, critical thinking business. Yeah, creating a business.

That's kind of interesting. Maybe, maybe, that's not what that meant. Right, so she's interested. Take it, go back to the thing when I'm saying, she said, next to you, you're like, well, have you ever built a business there? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's not gonna help you get out of that.

So you want, well, you're looking for as more of a superhero. Oh, you're like, yeah, exactly. Character, action hero. You want like a Miss America to be like a wonderful woman. Well, what would be Mr. America? You know what I'm saying? Like Miss America just something like a Miss America to be like a wonder what would be mr. America? You know what I'm saying like miss miss America just something like a yeah, you got to represent it really smart like Navy SEAL guy or something What I think in mr. American now

Bring the bring the American bird, please Just bring the Quigal this quaz brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition in the Quigal. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout. Our first question is from Logan Turner Fitness. What is the importance of rest period timing for certain goals such as hypertrophy, strength and endurance? So good question. Yeah, for physical pursuits, you know, for physical type performance,

rest periods are really important. The more complicated question is, in terms of muscular hypertrophy or building muscle. But first, I think, let's address strength and endurance first. Those are easy, right? For muscular endurance, shorter rest periods. Short and rest periods are going to challenge that part of your body a little bit more. They're gonna challenge your ability to recover faster and your ability to keep going even though

you're running out of energy in your body. Right, like a 15 to 45 second tops rest period. Yeah, yeah, 30 seconds is how I would usually do it. Like when like phase three in MAP's at a ball it was a 30 second rest in between sets, which is short. It doesn't sound short, but it is. You count 30 seconds, you go again,

you're not able to lift that much weight because you're so tired. So that's gonna definitely build endurance. And when it comes to strength, the goal, the idea with building strength is you wanna train the strength. So you wanna rest long enough to replenish the primary form of energy that

you use when you're trying to be really strong, which is ATP. And studies will show that's like three minutes, around three minutes rest. It's longer than people think. You know, you think that like you've had adequate rest, but a lot of times you're still like, you know, you still need more. And it's always like interesting to me going through that because it feels like a long time in between resting like three minutes, that seems like forever. Dude, it's super important.

Dude, 10 sets of several exercises, which is not that big of a workout, most of my workouts are anywhere between 15 to 25 sets because I'm training multiple body parts, right? But let's say you just did 10 sets and you rest at three minutes in between each of those sets. That's 30 minutes just of resting. That's 30 minutes of resting.

You know what I'm saying? Now I add in the exercise time and setting up the workout, this and that. A 10 set workout with three minute rest in between. That's easily an hour if not longer of a workout, but it's probably a round and hour. Now, in my opinion, the most important thing about rest periods, so we could say here,

and we could split up the categories, hypertrophy, strength, endurance, and the resp periods, and what the technical protocol is. Now, when I talk to clients, and I teach people about this, the main thing that I speak to is that we tend to like anything else, we gravitate to a way or a respire. You get comfortable with that rest period.

And you always do that. Like, and this is common, I see people do this, even when they change their sets, sets and weight and volume and everything else, because they're just used to this rhythm. Nobody tracks the rest period. Yeah, very few people manipulate this. And this is actually a really cool thing

to manipulate if you've never really tracked before. Like you want a really tough workout, like pay attention to your rest periods, and maybe what you do is you just pay attention to it, see where it's at, and then pick the other end of the spectrum. So, you are maybe somebody who always that leans towards the long, really long rest periods, or you're the other side of the spectrum

where you love to superset everything and you're barely resting longer than 30. That has to be the majority of people will tend to like jump back in too quickly and that's something that's like, because you just feel like, oh, I need to keep working and I wanna get this over with her. You know, whatever the urgency is, like a lot of times,

you know, circuit training's really popular and everybody wants to burn the most calories and so the first thing that gets cut is rest. And so strength training itself is like, it's a hard concept for people to understand and to apply the actual discipline of, you know, a long rest period. A question like, of course, extremes,

we're not talking about extremes, we're talking about the general rest periods people pick from, which is between 30 minutes to I'd say 90 seconds, oh sorry, 30 seconds say 90 seconds or 120 seconds So you're looking at between half a minute to two minutes is typically where people will Naturally try to rest in between sets or especially people that work out quite a bit But this question reminds me of a similar question, which is which which rep range is best, right? And here now here's a deal you're not doing. Yeah, here's a deal.

If we compare rest periods in a short, like, because they've done studies on this, they've done studies to see what rest period builds more muscle and builds more strength. And they are actually a popular study that people like to cite where they took 12 well-trained men and they trained them. And they had half of them do

short rest period which was I think Under a minute and then the other half do a long rest period which was three minutes and at the end of the I remember this at the end of the study I Think the study was short was like nine weeks long something like that They tested their strength and their muscle size the guys that rested longer built more muscle and Got stronger than the group that rested shorter now that's true if you compare people head-to-head That short period of time that same person I was this person I was the kid growing up that wanted to build strength wanted to build size

So everything that I read lean towards that and I was long yeah rest long And so I was doing that forever. One of the biggest changes I saw on my physique over my 15 years was when I finally, and I don't remember who was that, like, told me, like, you just, you need to go lightweight. Do everyone's, if you've been lifting six reps, resting that long for years, like, you need to just, you need to do 15, 20 reps, low rest period. Lightweight, don't worry about the weight.

Just get a nice man. I just blew, I saw my strength go up. I saw my size go up and I was lifting these really light weights. And that's because I was on the other. So I feel like, and so that's what I meant by instead of splitting hairs and telling people like, oh, well, this is technically for building strength when you rest between here. This is technically building endurance when you rest here. This is technically for the hypertrophy phase Which we can do right which would you just did I always talk about listen?

Whatever you tend to gravitate towards all the time we should be doing something different for a while And then when you start the one you're not doing right do the one you're not doing and that's where you're gonna see the chain This is the reason why we phase all of our maps programs if If this wasn't the case, the way we would design our maps programs would be one rest period, one rep range, and that's it. And then we would just change exercises. But we don't do that. We phase them. And not only do the exercises change, but sort of the rest periods and so to the rep ranges ranges. So but here's a big here's a big point. And this is something you kind of alluded to at them. People don't track the rest period at all. Most people, even people I know who work out for a long time, even

myself, the thing that I will that I'm least likely to track is my rest in between sets. I tend to go when I feel like I'm ready to go. And that's for me, depending on the body part and exercise, that's between 45 seconds to a minute and a half. But sometimes, and I've done this many times, I'm manipulating variables and what I'll start to do is track my rest and I'll shorten it or I'll lengthen it.

And I'll say, okay, instead of resting, you know, 60 seconds like I always do, I'm gonna do two weeks where I rest, you know, 90 seconds or two minutes, or the opposite, I'm gonna go shorter, and I'm gonna keep everything else the same. Inevitably, every single time I do that, I see a change in my body.

Absolutely. So it's important to mix up your rest periods, but here's another piece to that, because there's another side to this debate where people will say, well, is it good then to have short and long rest periods in the same workouts to mix it up to throw different signals? Same reason people will say that with reps,

they'll say, oh, I know low reps can do this and high reps can do that. Why don't I do some sets, low reps, sun sets, high reps? Why don't we do that? That's all about what that is, it's really tough because you're too many mixed signals. Too many variables to really see how your body is responding. So yes, you can do that.

Yes, I've done that before. And there's nothing, there's not a rule that says you can't do that. But I think there's a lot more benefit to actually programming it towards like, okay, like you said, for the next two or three weeks, I'm gonna fall, I'm gonna change this one variable and then go from there.

I think that the main point to be made is that what happens with people is they, again, this is why we're so anti-all the boxes, right? They identify with a category. So when you look at hypertrophy strength endurance, I think of three body types or three type of people that work out. Endurance people are your you know crossfit your what Spartan race your runners your people that want

to do Robics classes high intensity short rest periods like they lean more towards that then you have your strength athletes was tend to be like your power lifters and guys that do the belt and the chalk and they wait to, three, four minutes in between sets and they identify with that group of people and then you have your hypertrophy on the bodybuilder doing the chase and the pump stuff and That's how I train and so because they identify with a group They think that oh, I'm a bodybuilder guy so I should never train like a marathon runner or like a Spartan race guy That doesn't make sense or I'm a strength athlete so there's no reason for me to be doing endurance type stuff. And so it turns into these camps.

And because of that, that you get stuck in a modality and this includes these rest periods that could greatly benefit change in your body. So whatever you're currently doing, I don't care if you're following maps or not, you know, pay attention to what that's been. And I would challenge you to do something that's the furthest from that, right? So you're not gonna see a huge difference for somebody who does, you know, 90-second rest periods and they go to two minute rest periods. It's not gonna be a huge difference, but if you're a really short rest period person then you go to three minute long ones and you go after strength

really hard, you're gonna see a big difference in vice versa. Next question is from cubic Kenny. When you're in a deficit, what dictates how much fat versus muscle you are losing? There's three main variables, one of them's genetics, that I can think of, besides genetics, that's of course genetics always gonna play a role, right? But there's three main variables that I can think of off the top of my head, that are the biggest variables that will dictate how much fat versus muscle you lose when you're in a deficit. One, the size of the deficit.

The larger the deficit, the more likely your body will try to adapt by losing muscle to slow itself down to adapt to the low calories. The second variable I can think of are the macronutrient profile. If your protein intake is really low, and you have any deficit, the odds that you're going to lose muscle seem to increase. So there does seem to be a muscle-sparing effect

from a high protein diet when you're in a deficit. And with an all the points you're making, there is a genetic variance for all these people. So there's going to be some people, and I've trained clients like this, many clients, that you could starve their body. You could not feed them anything. They could be a total deficit protein, and their body holds muscle. They're able to hang on, I dated a girl

that was like this, that. She's got shredding. She just got lean. Now it's hard for her to lean out. It was hard for her to lean out, but her body held on to her lean body mass. Really, really well. So tough for her to lose body fat.

And then you have someone like me where I can drop weight really quick. If I stop eating or cut back on calories or reduce significantly, my weight will plummet. But I tend to lose at a pretty even ratio of muscle and fat when I'm not getting adequate protein. So if I'm not hitting my protein, which is what happens when I fall off the diet

or I stop paying attention or tracking, I don't get enough protein for my size. 200 pound plus guy, I need about 160 to 180 grams of protein minimal, where if I only eat two times a day and I've talked about this on the show before, I easily can only get 120, 130. So if I'm in a deficit and I'm only hitting 100 to 120 grams of protein, my body muscle falls off, damn, dear as fast as the fat does. So there's definitely genetic variances,

but those factors I think are so big. And then the third one that I can think of is your training because the type of training that you do is gonna tell your body that it either needs muscle or it doesn't need the muscle. So here's a good example. If I'm doing a lot of endurance type training, if I'm calling upon my body to adapt in a way

that improves its endurance, what that means is I need to become more efficient with energy and I don't need a lot of muscle to do that. In fact, I don't need much muscle at all. Like in order to rung long distance or to move from exercise to exercise to exercise with really lightweight with no rest, you don't need a lot of muscle. You just need muscle that doesn't fatigue very quickly. You need muscle that can keep performing. And that's not big muscle,

that's small muscle, small efficient muscle. Now if I train my body for strength where I tell my body, I need to be able to move heavy things, I need to be able to explode off the line, I need to be able to be strong. Well, now my body needs muscle, needs bigger muscle, because bigger muscle fibers contract harder and more forcefully. They don't necessarily have more stamina and endurance,

but they are stronger. So if I train for strength while I'm at the deficit, the odds that I'm gonna lose muscle Diminishes dramatically and I love that strategy. I love using that strategy not only with clients But myself the only thing that that you got to tell people with that is There's a still a good chance that you're gonna see strength kind of diminished because you're in a deficit So you it plays with them and kind of mentally fucks people, but if you just know that, listen,

by you doing that, sending that loud signal, you're helping yourself hang on to as much muscle as possible. So that's a good thing. Don't let it fuck with your head just because you see your strength starting to diminish because that's inevitable if you're in a long, you know, two, three, four week caloric deficit, and you're gonna be losing weight.

You're gonna see strength to manage just because you're depleted, but by training that way, you're still sending that loud signal to hang on to that muscle. So I love that strategy as long as you can break through the mental piece. In fact, if you're a beginner,

let's say you just get started, let's say I get a client who hasn't worked out for a while and they're overweight, you know, the 30 or 40 pounds overweight and they wanna lose that weight. And I first start training them. I don't want them to lose any weight on the scale

in the beginning. In fact, it rarely happens initially. Maybe a couple pounds, and that's usually just water because maybe they clean their diet up a little bit and they're not eating things that tends to have them hold water. But the weight tends to stay the same at first because what I'm doing is I'm trying to send the signal

to get stronger while we're putting him in a very small deficit. But that doesn't mean they didn't lose body fat. Because then when we do body fat testing, we can see, and this happens almost every single time, oh, on the scale, you only lost a pound or two or none, but you actually lost four pounds of body fat and you've gained three pounds of muscle,

which is a great place to be, that's exactly where you wanna be. So it's about the signal as well, but yeah, the other thing too is the deficit. If I put someone into 1500 calorie deficit, the odds that they're gonna lose muscle goes up a lot regardless of the workout. I get a big ass deficit, right?

So you wanna go with a smaller deficit so that your body isn't, because what happens with a larger deficit is this, when you give someone a really, really, really big deficit, and it's all relative, right? Depending on how many calories their body's naturally burning. So somebody whose body is burning 1500 calories, you know, naturally, which means their metabolism

is relatively slow compared to an athlete. If I put them on a 500 calorie deficit, that's kind of a big deficit for someone who's only eating 500 calories. Yeah, it's a third of their, exactly. It's a third of their total calorie. Somebody who's eating 2500 calories or 3,000 calories, 500 calorie deficit is a great place to start.

So this is all very individual. But when you go with a very large deficit, it's not because your body is burning muscle to make up for it, because that's what the people will say, like, oh, if you go to a very large deficit, it's not because your body is burning muscle to make up for it, because that's what the people will say, like, oh, if you go too big of a deficit, your body will burn the muscle too, because you're in so much of a deficit and you need more food.

That's not really what's happening. The reason why you're losing muscle is because the deficit is so big in comparison to your basal metabolic rate, that your body is aiming to adapt. It's a metabolism. It wants to be a metabolism. It wants to be efficient. Yeah, and all this muscle costs a lot of calories.

And you're not giving it a lot of calories. What says, hey, this is expensive tissue. You're not paying the bank what it needs to hang on. It pairs it back. Yeah, there you go. Take it back. I don't want it. It don't want it.

It pairs it back and it makes you more efficient with calories because that deficit was so large in comparison to your metabolic rate. So that's a very big one. So once you figure out how many calories you're burning and you wanna place yourself in a deficit, if you're only burning 15 under calories, I would put you at maybe 200, maybe a 200 calorie deficit,

to be quite honest with everybody. If your body was only burning 14 or 15 under calories, I'd probably put you in no deficit. And I'd be like, let's get that number to go up first because, well, we don't, here's a, you don't want to be in a position where you've lost fat and you've lost muscle, but now you're in a position where your metabolism is a lot slower because you've got to live in this body

for the rest of your life. And yes, congratulations, you lost 30 pounds, but you'd like to keep that off for the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years however long you're alive. A lot of times, you know, new clients don't really consider the aftermath of that because it's so exciting that they've lost this weight and that by all means necessary. But, you know, as you waste down in your, in your looking at your body is like an overall like weight loss versus like like slowly and gradually

doing this. You can maintain muscle mass and promote the right type of signals to your body and keep that metabolism where it is. You're going to be in a place where now we have to dig ourselves back out of a hole and start rebuilding and go through that whole process. You know the funny part about losing body fat is that everybody tends to want to see the scale go down when even if you're 30 pounds overweight, see you're 30 pounds overweight, I still don't want to see your scale go down that much because I can completely change your body composition. You can be the same weight and I can totally make your body look completely different.

And I think it's a better gauge to, if you're watching the scale way, and you're making good food choices and you're programming and you're training correctly, good things are probably happening. There's probably, if you're, if you're eating, the frilly's numbers are so arbitrary. Right. It's tough because people want like tangible metrics

to, okay, so if I'm, if I'm this many calories, I want it to be at this place and it depends. It really depends on how your body's reacting on a daily basis and you have to evaluate that. I'm always looking for a pretty even exchange. That's to me, it's a very nice, gradual, slow process, but it's the easiest as far as the restriction that you have to do, how hard you have to push,

is like I'm trying to, every time I lose three or four pounds of fat, I've also added three or four pounds of muscle and I'm trying to keep that exchange for as long as I can until I start to make me lose. The other thing to keep in mind is that your water weight will show up as lean body mass. This is important to note, like, if I lose a bunch of water and I test my body fat

and then I take that percentage and multiply it times that body weight, if I lost a bunch of water, it test my body fat and then I take that percentage and multiply it times that body weight. If I lost a bunch of water, it can look like I lost some muscle mass. The reason why I'm making this point is if the way you go in a deficit is by going the really, really low carbohydrate and then you're testing your body fat

and you're doing the math and you're like, wait a minute, looks like I lost some body mass. Some of that was water and I've actually done this. I've actually had my, I've done this on myself where I've gained five pounds, six pounds by increasing my carbohydrates. And then when I test my body fat, it seems to be the same, but now it looks like

I have five more pounds of lean body mass. So the scale is kind of a bad, not the best way to measure these types of things. Next question is from Katie Gassman. Do you have any recommendations for someone coming off a six day a week high volume training program? I'd love to get to the three to four day a week programming. You all talk about, but I'm worried that I've screwed myself and there's no way I can come out of my programming without losing muscle and gaining a lot of fat. I started training

about a year and a half ago for the first time ever and have been running six days a week from the start. Well, if you're over six days a week of lifting and six days a week of running. Is that what it says? Yeah, it's a lot. If you're overtraining, bringing it back, you'll actually build more muscle. Yeah.

So even though you're doing what you want to hear that. Even though you're doing more work now and burning manually, burning more calories now If you go from bad programming to good programming or at least Programming that's not working well for you and to programming that's more appropriate for you You're gonna put on more muscle and you're gonna be in a better position I have done this I've done this a million times with men especially. Yeah, well have guys that'll hire me and they're doing these a million times with men, especially. Where I'll have guys that'll hire me,

and they're doing these six day splits, and they're pushing their body super, super hard, and going to failure and every set. And I take them off that, and I go three days a week full body, and they look at me like I'm crazy. Like, I'm gonna lose all this muscle, I'm not doing it.

Then I'll try it out and see what happens. And it's like, boom, six pounds of muscle. It's allowed for that recovery to take place, and then their body just starts to really perform better, and it's just like this catalyst. Well, this is what, you know, and sour refers to this as the recovery trap, right? This is what happens to people is they're they're training and moving and pushing so much that they're just their bodies constantly trying to recover.

It's trying to recover from the six days of running. It's trying to recover from the six days of weight training. It's like it's never fully recovering because it's always in recover mode. So it's not allowing it to really adapt and progress. And as scary as it may sound, personally, what I would do with this client. Now, of course, there's other variables I don't know where her calories are at and all that stuff would do. He'd take it in consideration, but let's just pretend like they're all at a healthy place and normal. I would. I'd cut her straight from six days a week lifting down to like a MAP Santa Ballack program. And then what I would do since she's been running for six days a week

I think she's saying that she was lifting six days a week and then at the last set and says she's been running six days a week from the start in other words that's the program that she's been running the whole time not that she's running so I don't think she's saying she's running and lifting program yeah so I think she's just six days a week of high volume training. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna say that's a lot. Are you sure?

Yeah, I think, am I reading that right? Yeah, like recommendations for someone coming off a six day a week high volume training program. And the last sentence is just reiterate, look, I've been training for one and a half years ago for the first time ever. I'm been running six days a week from the start. I think she means I've been running that program

from the start, not running on top of it. Oh, Okay. Okay. Well, so that's not as bad then. This shouldn't be that big of a deal anyway, because I was a little worried if she was running six days a week. On top of it. Yeah. That's not going to be that much of a shell shock. Well, it might take a while to reverse out of that, right? But yeah, I know if you're lifting six days a week, I drop down to three days a week and follow Maps and Obolic and don't be afraid if you see the scale go up one or two pounds because it's probably muscle you're building. That's the one thing. You're obviously cutting the amount of volume in half, potentially.

So yeah, your calorie expenditure is going to be down a little bit, but then you're also going to probably have more strength for all your lifts, which then's going to send a louder signal to build muscle. And if you're still eating a little more, eating the same amount of calories with the less calorie expenditure, hopefully those good calories, and if you're consuming good calories, should go get prioritized to building muscle.

Yeah, I would say another way you could do it too. I recommend what Adam said. But if you're afraid, you can also just do this slowly. You could take your six day a week. Yeah, then five. High volume training program. And before you cut a day, just do this slowly. You could take your six day a week. Yeah, then five. High volume training program. And before you cut a day, just cut the sets. So make your workouts, you know, a quarter shorter.

So cut sets from every exercise. So instead of doing four sets of every exercise or whatever, do three sets or maybe drop an exercise per body part. And then the next phase of that would be to cut that down to five days a week or four days a week and then go down to your three and see how you feel. But based on my experience, you go from the six day week high volume training and go straight to a three four day a week program, you'll see results, like good results pretty quickly. And I like that better because even though you said

you can go the other way, I think she'll see less and feel less of a difference. I do too. I do too. Like I think you just switch it. Yeah, I think you'll be surprised when you go down to the three, like holy shit, like, and you know what? Use that. Use those other three days, like, because here's the thing too, like I also respect this because this is like me where I like my routine. Like when I've got in a rhythm of going to the gym six days a week, I don't like to break that because I think my body, just because my body needs to slow down and only lift three days a week. So I still keep this routine.

Still wanting to do the gym six days. Right. So I go to the gym and then just those other three days now become so I put all that energy now in the mold. That's how, that's part of how I progressed my mobility so far in the last year was I still kept a six to seven day week going to the gym type of regimen. I just wasn't lifting weights. I was going three, four times where I just walk on a treadmill for an hour or I do mobility work for an hour or I do

mobility work. I like the mobility work. I do a combination of the two of them. So if you're like that, I can respect wanting to keep that rhythm because some people struggle with that and even myself. I go from seven day a week guy to three, then what I end up doing is I play this game like, I like to go tomorrow. You know, I'll just go tomorrow because I don't need to lift today because I'm only gonna lift three times this week.

So I'll just go tomorrow. Then tomorrow turns to the next day and then I'm off my regimen, right? So I think that if you're like that, that's what I would do is I would walk or do mobility work and then just cut the lifting Though down to the maps and a ball program. You good next question is from cell carp if you guys were on death row What would it be for and what would your last meal be what are the options for death row?

How do you get on death row only only you have to do some terrible shit? Yeah, I'm death row shoot somebody in the basically have to kill people. I don't think there's any other way to get on So I guess so the real question is what would it take then because obviously if death row is only for murder really Right, we have to do something so crazy like that What would each one of us murder someone for what would it take like so? Obviously right away, which someone stole your shoes. Okay. Well, obviously I think You two right away are gonna try and do the kids, which I don't think that's fair. No, no how about this That's more fun if we say what each with it's me. It's more fun if we guess what the other person would kill someone over

It would just really get like I feel like if somebody broke in your house and took all your shoes No, they will probably just get a beating. Yeah, shit. I don't know if you killed it. If it was a thing like that, I have more attachment to my watches than I have my shoes. Clearly? Yeah, so if something were to like really break my heart.

Would you lose your shit enough to, I don't think you purposely try to kill someone, but you would on accident, right? If someone was like hurting your dog. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's like your kids for you. Yeah, oh yeah. on accident, right? If someone was hurting your dog. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's like your kids for you. Oh yeah. If I saw some guy soccer kick my dog or something,

she's like that. Oh cool. So more of a soccer kick is face, for sure. So yeah, if I saw somebody hurt my dog or do something mean to the dog, it's like that, malicious or orca trainer for that matter. So I'm very protective of her. But I don't think you'd go on death row for that.

I mean, I don't think they'd put you on death row for like, well, he was defending his dog. We're just gonna give him three months community service. I'm gonna miss him, because you're defending something. Yeah, I feel like you'd be like for something in terms of like liberty. Yeah, like some like oppressive regimes coming in and you're like big some last stand and you're like, I get put to death. Yeah, like some like oppressive regimes coming in and you're like big some last stand

and you're like I get put to do. Yeah, you put to do. The whole thing at times would be that with you. The most unglued you guys have ever the most unglued I think I've ever came on somebody. That's not really bad. The most the most a glue. Yeah. It's flying out there. Yeah. Forty and slip. All kinds of all kinds of Very sticky. I think the craziest I ever got was, you know, I remember a kid that was wanting to fight me in high school and he kept, like he kept picking, kept fucking with me and I didn't want to fight.

I remember being like, I don't want to fight. I don't want to fight, I don't want to fight. And I remember like constantly doing that. And I remember inside having this battle, like fighting this kid doesn't prove anything. There's no reason for me to fight this kid. I don't even have beef with this kid. This kid just doesn't like to feel like you're being pushed

around. But then I also don't like feeling like, like exactly, because I do feel like I have a very strong personality, I feel very confident in who I am, and it wasn't, it wasn't out of fear, it was just, it wasn't the right thing to do. And so he kept making me feel that way, and to a point where I finally,

okay, well the fucker, like that's it. It's enough times. I've already told you know, like five times. And now it's getting to the point where I'm really angry and I remember whooping the shit out of this guy. And so I don't remember ever feeling so angry to where I would get where I literally at his whoop the shit out of some dude

that kept trying to fight me all the time and I didn't want to, want to, want to. So something like that work, because I feel like I have a very long fuse. Like I have patients and I have a lot of empathy for people and I try and look at the best in everybody. And so there's not a lot of things that would make me just all of a sudden kill somebody

or do something, you would have to be antagonized. I don't like to be antagonized. Like don't keep prodding at me and fucking with me. Like don't fucking poke the bear You poke the bear enough and then eventually you're gonna get bit. Yeah, I don't think that would send you to death row though What about the meal? What would you guys want to eat your last meal? I mean scabby cheese in it Yeah, I mean it's just cheese. Yeah, just the big block of cheese. I'm serious I'd be it be on the Sony, dude, like probably a deep dish pizza from Chicago.

Yeah. You guys haven't had that yet, huh? I've never not in Chicago. I've had deep dish, but it's just, I've never had it. Some people are like, you know, partial to the New York style or the thin crust or whatever. I like them both, because it's kind of like, I mean, it's a commitment.

It's like a big ass pie. It's a big bro. You know, you've seen it before. I've had Chicago style. I've never had bid in Chicago and had Chicago pizza, but I've had Chicago style pizza. It's unique. I like it.

It's too heavy for me. Yeah, I prefer the thin one, but I like them both. Yeah. They're both good. Now as a kid, though, is the other way around. See, as I got older, I couldn't handle that anymore. Like now, I mean, as an adult, I now have to, if I want pizza, I actually like

the thinner, the, like, I like it like a salty cracker, thin, like crusty, like hard, so it's like a cracker. And I like just a little bit of cheese and sauce on there because if it's overly done on that, where if it's thick and bready and it'll have to, oh, man, my stomach is just fucked. It's great going to die anyway. And so, at this point, you just fuck. You know, you better stake, you know, like a really good stake with like a blue cheese crust. In fact, I probably would eat foods that would make my stomach back.

So I'm dying anyway, and I want, they're gonna have to clean that shit up. Oh, you're gonna pull that switch, go for it, buddy. Cause, this blast em. Which I believe they do. I hear that, right? They piss and shit themselves. Of course. Would you, part of death? what do you guys think of the of the death penalty? I

Mean that's that's a loaded question It depends on the case right like give me a case example No, I'm not gonna think well here's a deal. Well, I do you think we should have it? You know, that's the question like do you think I still think we should be like cowboys and Indians back in the days where we just we all I think carry guns and like you fucking need to Well, you might get shot. That's it. We need to know this consequences. I mean, I think I think that's part of why we lost respect for other people was because of that I think we respect each other more I think you think you know, no way dude. Oh my god, bro

We do back then people were hell of a light I God bro back then people were hella polite You watch so many movies If you were a boy holstered up. Yeah, if you're a woman walking through a freaking saloon You think she was getting respected by a bunch of cowboys. No, I don't know Maybe because she they they wouldn't think she had a gun and they have their guns maybe No, I don't think so. I was an idiot. Yeah, I think I got fuck with you I don't see I hear so I'll tell why, I'm against the death penalty completely against it. Not because I don't think there are people who deserve to be killed, because I definitely

think there are terrible people in the world that should just not exist. I definitely think that. But the reason why I don't like the death penalty is because even if there's a point 001 percent There's something wrong, right? That's right. We've killed an innocent person and we've done it through the state and it's legal And everybody and it's fuck that's just that's terrible and it's happened many times many times that we put I security people. Did you guys ever watch that movie life of David Gail? No David yet. Oh really? Uh-oh, Doug pull that up on the screen. You guys watch that. I think it's David Gail Life of David Gale. No. Oh, really? Oh, Doug, pull that up on the screen. You guys gotta watch that.

I think it's David Gale. Life of David Gale, it's a Kevin Spacey film. Really good film. It's about you, you should watch it about this. Yes, yes. Really, really good film. Because we've done this before. We've actually executed people and then years later,

new evidence comes out like, oh, we killed the wrong person. That has happened? Yes. Oh, it's happened many times. Why is she times, yeah? Well, think about this way. Nothing's perfect as good as our, as well designed as our law, you know, our justice system is, which, it's not perfect at all, but it's definitely,

you know, it's better than most. Our memory. Yeah, just based off of our memory and eyewitness accounts, like, there's always flaws. There is, There is. And then there's also the moral, there's this also moral argument of like, it's wrong to kill.

So we're going to kill you. So what I think we should do because the problem with not killing them is that we're already filling up the prison so much their wasted space. Well, actually, I think we should have a little island. Okay. They did. It was called Alcatraz. Yes. Oh, no, no, but it needs to be further away.

Doctor, right? It needs to be even further away. And you don't need to, we don't need to have police cards. Just leave them all there. You know what I'm saying? Let them figure it out. Drop a swim. No, no, no, it's gotta be far away.

Then they'll develop their own society. Yes, yes. What, remember, was it escape from New York? Yes, escape from New York. Yes, escape from New York. You dropped us off on the silent generations ago. Yeah, it's created a movie right now. Discover them themselves. Yeah, escape from New York. You dropped us off on this island generations ago It's created a movie right now. I've got to let them let them govern themselves out there No, I don't like that man. I don't like you know executing people because then it's like what if we're wrong

So what do you do with them put them in jail? You can't win over room. What do you mean? We don't have to kill off the bad ones make make make you know why we don't have room Because we put people in jail for stupid shit. Yeah for drugs. That's why yeah Mm-hmm If there's if you didn't hurt if you didn't hurt anybody or steal anything you don't need to go to jail? Because we put people in jail for stupid shit. Yeah, for drugs. That's why. Yeah. If you didn't hurt anybody or steal anything, you don't need to go to jail. What percentage of people are in jail, Doug, for drugs?

Nonviolent, how about this? Nonviolent drug offenses. That's what you need to look up. Because you could also have drug offenses that were violent. Like, you know, I beat you up for your drug. Yeah, but wouldn't that be under there as a salt and they're underneath there? It would also have drug charges on top of it, I think.

Yeah. Mass incarceration. The whole pie. 38% of prisoners should not be in prison. Well, who say gets sick? 39, I don't know, time magazine said that apparently. Yeah. It's a pretty big chunk.

Oh, wait, here we go. It's a pretty big chunk. We'd have to do a little deeper diving yeah I mean it definitely is it's there and it exists there's a point three people what one point three million people in prison in state prisons one point one point three million people bro America has the largest percentage of our population in prison over any other country I think in the world the only problem I have with that statistic that's Bro, America has the largest percentage of our population in prison over any other country. I think in the world, the only problem I have with that statistic, that's a lot of people.

It is. It is. That's a lot of people in prison. You know when this number started to soar, when we started having these tough politicians passing these tough on crime laws. Yeah, we're like, you know, minimum sentencing laws. Those are the ones where like if you get caught with this drug, then there is no minimum, there's a minimum sentence of a year,

like no matter what, you get at least a year in prison. And that just exploded the prison population. I tell you what, you want to change prison. First of all, don't throw people in jail for not, unless they hurt someone or steal from someone or damage property, don't throw them in jail. So eliminate victimless crimes. No need to have people in jail for that.

And number two, change it so it's not like, I think we think of prison is like, put them in there to punish them and I get that too, but do we want to re-habit them? Yeah, do we want to re-habit them? Yeah, do we? Yeah, do we put them to like constructive, like given some kind of skill sets,

so that way they come back to society. Is it the whole system of structure does a money making machine where it's like, you're designed to once you're in, we're keeping you in and you're gonna, when you go out, the likelihood of you being, what is the likelihood once you've served time of you coming back to prison again?

It's really high. It depends, but it's pretty high, because they can't get jobs. If you have a felony, I'm gonna hire you. I'm so saying that. You have a felony, you took the return rate. I mean, if the, and by the way, that's the true desired outcome

of jail is to change these people or to correct their bad behaviors. Is it really working? Yeah, no, no, it's not at all. Well, you don't like the island idea? No, that's what? Why is that flawed? What do you, what do you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, helping run it or just drop them off. Drop them off. There's no kid camp like that. No, yeah. They do these camps where they take these kids out

and they get like a, but they don't leave the kids by themselves. Yes. They get a Swiss army knife and it's like, you gotta fucking find your food, you gotta figure out you gotta get shelter. What the hell camp is this? Yeah, dude.

They leave the kid alone for like two weeks. Yeah, it's a hardcore thing. I had a girlfriend there. Are you sure? They kidnap them in the middle of the night too. Yeah, but there's people there that there's adults there that take them through. Yeah, and make it, it's hard. But they don't just take your kid and throw up.

Who the hell did I sign their choice? My point of sharing that. Okay, we're getting into the details here. Dad, you wanted me to die, didn't you? They were talking about son. The point of that though is what it teaches them is to value and appreciate all these things. You wouldn't have now Sticking them on an island like that where they got a fucking hunt and search for things and find a

Dildin. They'll die. Yeah, so we'll will most of them. Yeah, so we'll will and then they'll eat the death penalty anyways At least this way they have a chance. Yeah, and I mean, I like it. You don't like that. No, why? No, because of plot and conspire come back and kill us all bro. That's gonna be a island bro They'll make their way off in humans are ingenuity. That's inhumane, bro. No, I wouldn't do that. That's terrible. Really?

No, never fly either. No, people be flying drones over the island to see what's happening. Oh, looks like they discovered electricity. Right. I'm here to go now. There's someone getting raped. I like that.

No, I think- this is one of the reasons why I think minimum wage laws should be eliminated because people get out of prison with a felony. Nobody wants to hire them. If they were jobs where you're making four bucks an hour, you know, and you're a company that wants to pay that, the people that are going to get that kind of a job or people like felons, and we have to build themselves way back, you know, back up, back up the ladder. So it would give them more of an opportunity. But yeah, anyway, last meal and if we were on death row, I guess we fucked that question up.

Yeah, I don't know. Well, it was kind of a tough one anyway, it's because it's like we wouldn't be on death row. There's nothing that we could have got us there. Oh, the only thing could is murder. I can't see any of us murdering somebody or something like that. But last meal, I didn't answer mine.

I do a big ass filet, manion, and then followed up with a pound of mint chip ice cream. From 50s. That's right. Thrifties shit ice cream. It's really bazooki. I forgot to add that. Check this out.

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