Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 818: How Strength Affects Muscle Growth, Recovery from a Major Injury, CrossFit & Steroids & MORE

Episode Date: July 20, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about if it is possible for muscles to grow but strength to remain the same, the worst injury they’ve experienced and what they did to recover from it, their thoughts on the latest steroid use in CrossFit, and the transparency they are showing and some of their favorite functional exercises for experienced lifters who want to get more into that kind of training. Where did #BeastMode come from? Learn some new Urban Dictionary words with Mind Pump. (5:20) Is the Netflix dominance coming to an end??!! The competition race is on!! Netflix stock pares losses after dropping on subscriber growth. (8:16) Is taking the Everly Well blood tests as easy as it looks? Adam tells the story of his “boo-boo” and the anxiety he gets over giving blood. (13:32) What supplements do the guys consume the most? (18:30) Update on Adam’s BPC-157 experiment on his healing Achilles. (20:37) The benefits of using Thrive Market to purchase food for your “fur” babies (aka animals). (23:47) Memories Can Be Altered in Mice. Are Humans Next? (26:29) Can we add bread to the paleo diet now? Scientists Have Discovered The Earliest Evidence of Bread, And It's Much Older Than We Expected. (36:26) Do we need more reasons to buy natural products? Johnson & Johnson ordered to pay $4.69 billion in suit linking baby powder to cancer. (42:14) Are our microbiomes about to hit that breaking point? Fecal transplant reduces autism symptoms in children in small study. (50:28) #Quah question #1 – Is it possible for muscles to grow but strength to remain the same? (52:52) #Quah question #2 – What is the worst injury you have experienced and what did you do to recover from it? (1:02:04) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on the latest steroid use in CrossFit, and the transparency they are showing? (1:15:25) #Quah question #4 – What are some of your favorite functional exercises for experienced lifters who want to get more into that kind of training? (1:25:44) People Mentioned: Ryan Michler/ Order Of Man (@orderofman)  Instagram Phil Heath (@philheath)  Instagram Travis Pastrana (@travispastrana)  Instagram Emily Abbott (@abbott.the.red)  Instagram Alistair Overeem (@alistairovereem)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned: Beast Mode Netflix stock slammed after earnings, as subscriber growth and revenue fall short Everly Well **Code “MINDPUMP” for 15% off any test** Thrive Market One FREE month’s membership $20 off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How To Use BPC-157 - Ben Greenfield Fitness Mind Pump Episode 801: How to Fix Shoulder Pain, When Kids Should Begin Weight Training, Intuitive Eating While Bulking & MORE (First mention of BPC-157) Memories Can Be Altered in Mice. Are Humans Next? 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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this extra handsome episode of Mind Pump for the first 46 minutes we do an introductory conversation, we talk about how Netflix's stock dropped, like 14 points, right? Went down a lot, quite a bit. Then we talk about Adams, Everly Well, Boo Boo,

here a little Awey on his finger, from taking it as a little prick. Omega, thanks, the big ones. Omega three test, we are sponsored by Everly Well. So we got you guys a discount. If you go to EverlyWell.com, enter the code MindPump, you'll get 15% off any of the tests. Then Justin talks about changing his dogs, dog food, and found some from Thrive Market. Now Thrive Market is the largest online retailer of non-GMO organic products, including skincare products, including food products, including cleaning products.

Pretty much everything you're gonna need or want. Even products for your skin, this is where you can get your deodorant, your skincare. Like, you still have some listeners that don't use thrive. You should, dude, it is the discount on there are phenomenal. You'll buy things for the same prices, you'll get them, their conventional counterpart. So, things that are non-organic, in other words,

great place to go. If you go to thrivemarket.com, forward slash mind pump, we got you a massive, massive discount and deal. Here's what you're gonna get. One month for free, $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and free shipping. Then we talked about the studies that showed that you can actually erase particular memories in mice.

A little scary, CAA is probably doing that right now. Yeah, sure there. We talked about how paleo now includes bread. That's right. What? Find out in this episode what the hell I'm talking about. Oh my God, bread's so paleo. Then we talk about Johnson and Johnson's baby powder.

They just lost a major lawsuit, causing govarian cancer. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's put a best, a spestus in there. Yeah. That's not what happens. Yeah. You let them sweat a little bit.

Then we talked about fecal transplants and autism studies show that kids getting fecal transplants from people with healthy guts. Dramatically we do their symptoms of autism. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, can you build your muscles but not get stronger? Kind of a weird question, but it's also a good one. We get into an interesting discussion

in that part of this episode. The next question was, what is the worst injury that we've ever experienced and what did we do to recover from it? The next question was, what do we think about the latest steroid use scandals in CrossFit? They're now testing their athletes, they've banned a few of them, they're pretty strict, do we think it's gonna hurt or help the growth of the sport? And finally, the last question, what are some of our favorite functional, in quotation

marks, exercises for experienced lifters who want to get more into that kind of training. Also I want to remind everybody that this month, the foundational maps program, the best muscle building strength building and metabolizing boosting program that we offer, maps and a ball, is 50% off. So we took the total price, cut it in half, it's under $60, you get full access, by the way, you get the same thing you would get at full price, so full access. You can find that at MindPumpMedia.com, that

promotion is until this month, so at the end of this month, it'll be ending. We also have bundles, this is where we combine multiple maps for programs and discount them for particular goals, like we have a sexy athlete bundle We have a build your butt bundle. We also have a super bundle. This is nine. Excuse me a year a year of exercise program So full year planned out for you That's the super bundle you can find all the bundles and maps and a ballac at mine pump media at comm Did you call Justin or did you guys you know the the shirt thing? Is that something that you guys have been planning

on lately? Oh, Doug and Justin are wearing a shirt together. Hey, yesterday it was you and Doug, so well, I felt left out. I feel like Doug's being a shirt whore right now. Make up your mind, Doug. You their dress like which team are you or like Justin? Yeah, I'm actually really like, I don't have any of the stay authentic ones like these. Those are the best ones. They are the best ones. They're the most like, I would actually wear them with like classic style. Yeah, yeah, we need to authentic ones like these. Those are the best ones. They are the best ones. They're the most like... I would actually wear them. They're like classic style. Yeah. We need to do more of these.

Or with jeans or whatever. I'm surprised those didn't sell as crazy as I would have thought. Like they didn't do that great. Yeah. I don't know. Did we sell out of them? No. We still have them?

Yeah, we got them. Those are the best looking ones. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, by far. Yeah. I like the blue one the most. And I like stay authentic too. I just like to say, I really. Yeah, by far I like the blue one the most and I like I like stay authentic to I just like to say I

I really like to read it but it's assuming someone's authentic to begin with Maybe that's a great way to every Which is pretty much it's a It is sell out of the chisters It's a lot because of fake little fuckers out there. I can't stay up You know what I'm okay with shreds you know that's the authentic I like I can't stay up. You know what, I'm okay with shreds. You know, that's like, stain authentic. Yeah. I like beast mode.

Yeah, beast mode. Yeah. Kill everything. Oh, that's such a fun thing. You came up with that term beast mode. You know, that's from? No. With the original, when it come from.

It's trademark, dude. It's trademarked by fucking, what's his face? By beast mode, by, um, Martian Lynch. Oh. yeah. Turn on Beast Mode. Yeah. There's a whole thing behind it, like when they started calling them that back,

believe it's starting all the way back to when he was high school. So his buddy, he had a high school buddy, which by the way when I met him, did he play for the Seahawks? Yes. Damn. Yeah, he still is in the NFL right now. Where's he at?

He's the guy with the dreadlocks, right? Yeah, well, yeah, he's got the NFL right now. Where's the edge? Yeah, he's the guy with the dreadlocks, right? Yeah, well, yeah, he's got long hair. Dang. Where's the yet? Huh? Where's the yet? NFL. Place for the Raiders now.

I was gonna say the Raiders, but who is that what you're gonna say? Yeah, you're gonna roll there. So anyway, so check this out. So check this out. The story goes that in high school, they used to say his buddy Used to say that but they're like high school buddies used to say that and as he started to blow up They started to make t-shirts and they people were starting to make banners and they were giving him skittles

That was that whole thing and skittles what? Yeah, so yeah, that was like his there was this thing that he used to eat skittles before every game Oh, okay, so people went in Seattle with throw skittles on the field and stuff when he'd come out and shit. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Hey, I learned a new. It's a rainbow.

I learned a new urban dictionary word. Say it. I'm not gonna define it. You have to look it up for yourself. Wait, wait, can we guess? Like what? Yeah, you got to guess. Let's do this.

I'll play this game. Bro, I was, I died when I heard this for the first time Wizard sleeve That's gotta be that's got to be an uncircumcised. No, it's a condom. No, no, it's not a condom to the wizard sleeve No, what is it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,'re on circumsize. No, no. Picture. Picture what a wizard sleeve looks like. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, it's hanging down like a triangle and flappy. Yeah. Oh, vagina.

It's a vagina, isn't it? I just, did Justin get it? He did. Wow, that is really good, Justin. Well, I'm thinking about it. It's like triangular. Yeah, it's just kind of like a wizard sleeve. I've never heard that. I've never heard that.

I have never heard that. That being right. Bro, is it that the best thing you've ever heard in your life? It's a sleep. I make friends with the wizard sleeve this weekend. Who told you that? It was in a text.

I'm in a group text with my cousins and stuff. And basically all we do on there is, here's what happens in this group text. They're all investment people. So my cousins, my friends, all of them are investors of some sort, whether they're in real estate or they actually work for banks and they're, you know, what do they call the investment bankers

or whatever. So 99% of it is, you know, this fucking thing is moving this way and the charts show this and it looks like the matrix and I look at half the shit. I'm like, I can't read any of this stuff. And then the other one percent is shit talking. Speaking of that the day text about buying Netflix right now. No, down 14%. It's down 14%. What happened? Netflix crashed after the for well they crash it dropped 14 points because of their spending. No because they didn't hit their projections for quarter one. They were like off by like over

a million subscribers and so it dropped now There's more competition. Well, yeah, dude I mean with Disney and Hulu and what we see what going on with prime right now I mean the race is on I tell you what I just just a year and a half ago or so I was a big believer in Netflix You know, I still am. Yeah, I think that they're gonna be king. I don't you don't want to know why I'm like I'm hesitant to say that now. Is I've been disappointed in some of the movies they've done.

So that was the big thing. Like with Will Smith. Yeah, big thing. Did you guys watch that? No, it was flopped. It was good for a second. And then they kind of jumped the shark a little bit, right? And it got kind of bad.

It was great. They had all the components of what could have been. Yeah, it could have been possibly been good, but yeah. So, now that's a great point, right? So I think this is where the algorithm is just not enough, right? I think the writers, yeah. I think they did a great job of hacking the algorithm

of all the things that you would want, right? I think it's right on point by saying that. Like you're attracted to it because like, man, something about this. I like this. You know, it's funny, it's all guns of guns and explosive shit, great actor I love. Bayley-ins with Will Smith always tends to work. You know, that's a good formula. But then it's just like,

wha-want, wha-want. You know, it just didn't have a crescendo, right? It didn't have something where you're like, that was fun. Let's deconstruct that a little bit. So you have Will Smith with aliens, but also you remember him from Bad Boys, so he was like a cop and a detective.

And so like he nailed those roles. And so they're like trying to mash all this shit into one movie. It reminds me of the old, it was an old TV series that was fucking awesome on T, it was in the 90s or 80s where one of the cops, it was the almost exact same story. Aliens came to Earth, we accepted them,

and then it's like so many years into that. Where they balled? One of them was, he's balled, they looked like he had a spot saw. Yeah, he had like the Gorbachev looking, birthmarked things, and they were weird, and they drank sour milk. It was called V, I think it was called V,

was that the name of it, Doug? I don't remember. But anyway, it was the same exact premise. It was called V. I think it was called V. Was that the name of it, Doug? I don't remember. But anyway, it was the same exact premise. It was almost the same exact premise. And that was a good show. That show was really good. I do remember, I sure. But I do think that this is where Netflix may not win, dude.

Is, and for a minute there, we were talking why just a year ago or so, we were talking about them kind of taking over Hollywood and kind of blowing it up, right? And I had a lot of confidence in what they're doing, but now seeing the movies and it makes me question like, okay, well, if you don't have the writers, if you don't have the real artist, right,

that are creators. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think, yeah, that's definitely like the Hulu and Disney combo is dangerous. Right. That is a huge threat. But I do think they could turn that around just as simple as getting Stephen King's and getting real writers to come in and create these movies and storylines for them.

But actually, he actually, I think they got Stephen King. It was something castle. Anyway, he's got a new show coming out. I think it's on Hulu. Here's the thing that I, this is what I like about so much about tech is that many times you look at a business that's on top and you think, oh, they're dominating. Nobody could ever overcome them or nobody can beat with them or compete and we get proven wrong every single time. It's such a competitive market. Yeah. Like good luck trying to dominate and maintain dominance.

People are gonna be at your heels the entire time. They just are. I mean, Amazon did it to Google for searching for products. Amazon flipped that on its head. People don't realize how big of a deal that was when that happened. So we'll see what happens. What we need is competition for Comcast. Come on.

Now, you know, why that's bullshit? Do you know why that's so hard to compete? Because they regulated so much it's impossible to, like, that's regulated by the phone companies and stuff. It's like the S-C-C. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's all wrapped into it. Yeah.

Because dude, I saw that they're finally, at least, like, Google's, like, taking actual, like, wire and bringing it all the way across to, like, a Spain or whatever. But, like, so they're actually laying down all the fabric and the fiber optic cable to make it so they can have like, you know, internet capability, but it's like, dude, when? Like, how come it's taking so long, dude?

Like, they need competition so bad, man. It's just, it's every year, they increase their rates for some reason. Well, you're limited. What's your option? Yeah, what are you gonna do? It's like 18T's like dog shit. Like I can't even get that in my area where I'm at. Yeah, we definitely need more competition. Absolutely. I think it's coming though, don't you? I mean, I think it's only a matter of time. Well, I know, I'm just company antsy, dude.

Well, companies like Facebook have talked about putting blimps in the air to give people free Wi-Fi and, you know, satellite and all these other options. It's happening. There's such a big market for it. And there's how many people are like you think about that, Justin. How many people are pissed off? Joe Chipp, immediately. That company can suck it. Yeah, they're being protected right now by these old RK laws that make competing with them impossible. Yeah. That's the deal. How's your finger doing, Adam? You okay now? I know. Do you keep that bandaid honor? We're in that we're in this interview. We had Ryan Mickler from order.

A great guy, by the way. Fucking love that guy. Anyway, we're hanging out with them at doing a podcast. Adam's talking and Adam's waving his hands that he normally does. And yeah, you know'm like, hey, I'm talking with my hands. It's just like, hello Kitty sticker. I'm like, I'm looking at his finger. I'm like, what happened? He's like his big old bandage on his finger.

I'm like, yeah, I mean, you must have injured himself. Okay, so now I know this fucker has a nurse for a while. So I know he didn't do it. Did you do your own? It's so stupid. It's the easiest thing in the world.

Oh my God. I don't know, dude. What do you mean you know? It's so easy. it's the easiest thing in the world. Oh my God, I don't know, dude. What do you mean you don't know? It's so easy. It's not a matter of it, easier, not. But you're like flinchy, like, well, you know, I mean, you see, you see, it's not like, you saw the answer story.

I mean, Taylor answer story, the whole thing, me doing it, but there's just something about stabbing yourself. And the way it's designed, it just does it real quick. Yeah, but you can't see it, right? So it's like, you can't, I don't know. You're like stamps here.

Right, right. So here's the thing. So you don't know how big the needle is or something. Yeah, I don't know how hard I gotta push. Oh, trust me, I'm not the... I just rolled my, so hard, I saw my brain. So we're talking about the Everly Well tests. And some of the tests are saliva,

like the testosterone ones that we did. And some of the tests actually use blood, and we'll use a drop of blood. And what they do is they give you this little, for people who have diabetes, they know exactly what this is. So people with diabetes will use these things all the time because they'll have to test their blood for blood sugar.

It's this little device, and the needle is literally the smallest needle of all time. It's the size of a fucking, you could barely even bleed with it. It's so, yeah. And squeeze it out. You have to like squeeze a misogyn figure. That's not the point, asshole him It's not the point asshole

That's not the point I can use a fucking Tinky it's got use a 21 or 22 gauge needle And you're afraid of a good boy. Let me tell you that was a there was a fucking learning curve in a while for that Oh, yeah, I remember the first time I had to do that that was it took in a while for that. Oh yeah, I really scared that. Yeah, fuck yeah, no. I remember the first time I had to do that. That was, it took me a while before I got comfortable even doing that. Did someone else have to do for me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I had a buddy of mine do that for a long time. Then I had a girlfriend of mine do it for a long time. So I was, I didn't like doing that shit either. But that after a while, I mean, I got, I got used to that, right? Well, so were you always scared of like getting shots and shit as a kid?

Was that like a big deal for you? I don't know if I was scared, but I definitely didn't like it. It definitely wasn't something we're like, what about when you got to give blood or whatever you want? Yeah, I don't like, I get lightheaded big time when I give blood. Wow. Yeah, I remember like staring at it. Yeah, I get hell.

I get hell. I get hell. Oh, you know, that's an actual phobia. Yeah, I'm cool. Like, it's weird. Like, I don't get like, oh, weird and I don't get anxiety about it. But when they draw blood, dude, I got to not watch it. If I'm watching it, I get all lightheaded. Yeah, yeah, I'm cool. It's weird. I don't get like, oh, weird and I don't get anxiety about it. But when they draw blood, dude, I gotta not watch it. If I'm watching it, I get all like that.

Yeah, woozy. Yeah, it's funny. Courtney actually almost passed out, watching me get my blood dropped. Oh, dude, I could cut my own arm off. If it didn't hurt, if it didn't hurt, I'd have no problem. I could cut my own arm off.

Bro, I have no problem with that kind of shit. Did I tell you I was talking, we won't sell them out. Well, before you do, I'm gonna tell you a story real quick, when I got my shoulder surgery on my left, when I got my shoulder surgery on my left shoulder, I had my AC joint shaved down a little bit, they had this catheter inside my shoulder that would pump pain medicine to it.

And I came home with this little pain pump. I got, I couldn't sleep with that thing. So I came home and I unwrapped everything and I pulled that fucker right out my arm, this long tube out of my arm, blood everywhere. No problem, bro. No problem. No problem.

The Everly Well Test is easy though. Pulled the cast around. It's an easy task. No, I mean, it was. I mean, you watch it, those that have already seen the story saw me do it. And this was for Omega 3, this is the Omega 3 one. Yeah, I'm gonna try a test to see if we're getting adequate

Omega 3 fatty acids. Now, I'm gonna go ahead and speculate that I'm gonna be good. I think I'm gonna be, and I don't even know because I haven't seen that what the results like, you know, how the test osher and they give you what I love about what I love. Probably be a little deficient. What I love most, most about this, every well test is how simple like so once you do the test, whether you do the saliva one or the blood one for the Omega, all you, they give you everything you need to ship it. It's the shipping, return shipping is in there. You do it all, package up, send it,

when you register it on the bar code that's on there, which is super easy. And then it automatically text messages me and lets me know like when they've received it in the lab, then when they've tested all of it. And then it's quick with the results. Dude, it's just, it's so easy. You just figured that out.

And now I have a log in and so I can go back, I can review my test, because I wanna do the test, I'll show them on again soon. Yes, yes, I'm just telling them what to do. Yeah, just so I can see you with me too. I wanna see if we can, you know, affect it so the last one.

So you think your Omega-3s are gonna be, I think they may be a little low. Cause you know, just because they don't eat fish like you guys, yeah, all the time. Oh, it's right, I forget the thing. You don't like fish so much, yeah. See, I think they may be a little low. Cause you don't just because they don't eat fish like you guys, yeah, all the time. I, uh, let's run it for you. You don't like fish so much. So I eat a lot of, I eat a lot of fish. And if I don't eat fish, I'm aware of it.

And I have omega's at the house. Yeah, so do I, I should be good. I should be good. Otherwise the official that I take is not working. Yeah, and I have the supplements for it, but I never, I'm bad at it. Do you take any supplements at all? Bit never.

Nothing. I mean, I do sometimes like, you know, like when we're traveling and stuff, but that's at it. Do you take any supplements at all? A bit never. Nothing. I mean, I do sometimes, like, you know, like when we're traveling and stuff, that's about it. Oh, wow. Yeah, if you were to list down like your top three or five, like supplements that were sponsored and not sponsored by, who do you fuck with the most? I mean, I just, green juice is probably like the only thing

I'll do besides, like, I mean, back when I was like trained really hard and I was trying to get like serious performance and gains, like I would take some creatine, and when I was like training really hard and I was trying to get serious performance and gains, like I would take some creatine, but that was it. That literally is like it. Yeah, you're probably good with creatine right now because you're eating so much meat. Yeah, I'm just eating a lot of meat. Mm-hmm, that's what I mean.

I'm using my creatine right now. Oh yeah? Yeah, I've been using that. There's a couple of things I'm doing right now that I just normally wouldn't. I'm not a like. Because the competition, that's why? Yeah, that's right.

So, I said... Well, you know what, though, more so than the competition, I just, I don't like throwing supplements on an inconsistent diet and training routine. And people do this all the time. I think such a waste of money to me. And for me, it gives me peace of mind when I'm training, when I'm dieting right, when I'm training right, throwing on supplements, I feel like it gives me a better,

a better observation of like what's really going on. You know what I'm saying? Of course. I just don't like, for example, you're, First of all, waste of time. You've been talking about the higher dose of turmeric, and so I've been kind of playing with that because, and I would, I don't think it makes sense to do it when you're eating shitty. Yeah, I've been kind of playing with that because, and I would,

I don't think it makes sense to do it when you're eating shitty. Yeah, I mean, I'll take this lure move. Well, even not just shitty, like I just think all over the boy, if you're inconsistent, like I mean, cause somebody's probably listening right now going,

like, well, I don't eat shitty, but I take all these supplements every day and it's like, well, fuck, how do you know if they're working on this? Well, no, here's the thing. It's all over the place. Now, here's the thing. Tumoric is maybe a little different

cause it's a food. So you're just adding a food to what you're, you know what I mean? The other stuff I could see like, when people will take individual amino acids. Even then, like, so it's the main reason why I'm taking Tumoric is I'm trying to see if it's helping keep inflammation down and it's speeding up any sort of recovery process in me lifting and training hard, right?

So if I'm eating a bunch of high inflammatory foods, like is it really gonna counter all that? I don't think so. I don't think it's that, I don't think it's fucking superpower. You know what I'm eating a bunch of high inflammatory foods, like is it really gonna counter all that? I don't think so. I don't think it's that. Only it's fucking superpower. You know what I'm saying? I think I, how's your Achilles right now with everything?

We haven't brought it. You guys haven't brought it yet. Oh, and your injection. BPC. BPC5927. Did you get yours yet? No, Jordan's supposed to, he said he was gonna stop I, but he hasn't.

Wait a sec, your drug dealer. So I, I got it. Jordan's supposed to he said he was gonna stop I but he hasn't wait a sell to your drug dealer so I I got it haha haha right in the bus yeah we know a lot we know a lot of those so wow there's a lot of Jordans out there

so Michael Jordan anyways that's it's Michael Jordan so good connection. I love it, bro. I'm huge, but here's the thing though, and this is what I'm uncertain of, and I don't know, and I can't wait for you to get it so we can sit here and we can bullshit about it off air and kind of figure this out together. As I don't know if it's something that's happening instantly, like we kind of speculate this a little bit,

like is it something like when I inject it in there, is it like kind of numbing that area? Because there's already been a couple of days where it kind of bothers me a little bit, and I feel it kind of coming back, and then I inject that stuff, and then within an hour. Like, didn't you say too though, when you're not taking it,

how it just immediately all comes back? Well, so that's what I was saying early on when we first, when we first, like the first few injections, but I've been consistent every other day. I think I had a weekend where I stretch three days or so or not injecting. In fact, I'm due today. And I'm only, I'm, I'm through the first bottle. I'm onto my second bottle right now. And I feel really good. It's definitely still there. It doesn't feel like it's fucking repaired and recovered everything perfectly,

but I'm in the least amount of pain. I feel the best. That is a good question, because is it like taking anti-inflammatory or just works acutely? Or is it actually speeding up the recovery? And improving the recovery process. And so, because anti-inflammatories

will make you feel better too, but they do not speed up recovery. In fact, it might even slow it down in some cases. So, and so for me, we're, I think where I'm gonna be able to answer this the best is after I've gone through both bottles, and then we're three, four weeks down the road after I've been done with it.

How do I feel? Do I feel like I've maintained that or I'm getting even better? Or am I starting to notice it bother me again? But I 100% as of right now worth it. For sure worth it. Interesting. Yeah, right now I'm like, okay,

I feel the best I've felt this has been going on. As a recovery aid, you're like, okay, I feel the best I've felt. This has been going on as a recovery aid. You're like, okay, yeah. Yeah, this makes sense. So it's, it may be, it may be like in almost like what's the word, unfurred vantage for the competition. You just got yours covered. It jetted your face wherever the fuck you want. We need to talk about drugs. Yeah. No, I'm going to wait till after the contest. I want wanna make sure I compete like told you. Yeah. Because we're like purity. We're doing a blood test afterwards.

This is already over. No, I'm not doing a blood test afterwards. I'm gonna find out how to weird shit your- Yeah, no. It's gonna be all skewed. Yeah, yeah. Dude, I had, so my dog's been like, haven't horrible, horrible diarrhea and like crazy stuff

Oh, does he just do that in the house? Thankfully not this time. I told you about that one time where in the middle of the night he just blasted Like the curtains for my closet. Dude puppies. Oh my god. Yeah, they're so sensitive like to diet and stuff Like if you change the diet in the slightest bit like they'll that's yeah So I bought this food You know from the grocery store it was supposed to be the highest quality It was that like a one or one of those organic, you know grocery stores. I think it was I don't know if it's whole foods But anyway, and it's not working like it he just still has all this like fucking crazy diary and all this stuff going on

So I actually I'm trying this out. I remember you mentioned that Thai market has, you know, some food on there. And so I went and checked it out. So I'm trying a new brand out to see how that's going to go. And what's the brand, do you remember? It's like, I and love you. Wait, hold on. I think I remember it's I and love and you.

Okay. Kind of an interesting name. Yeah. See if that works. See if it works. You can also give your dog probiotics that too. Have. Kind of an interesting name. Yeah, see if that works. See if it works. You can also give your dog probiotics that too. Have you tried that yet? Yeah.

Oh, as it helped. Yeah, a little bit. Now, how are you giving them probiotics or using the supplement or are you getting like yogurt? Yeah, I've opened it and poured it in the... So I actually give them yogurt. So that's what you give your yogurt?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Unless he's got a dairy intolerant. So funny, we're talking about a dog. Yeah, but it's true. But they're just, I mean, they're living beings, just like, no, anytime the dogs get it ought, like if they get into shit and they eat something bad

or someone else, someone fed them something and they're not supposed to eat, like you had somebody else watching them and I know right away, because they're so sensitive. And then the next meal or two, all-feet them, caught as cheese or Greek yogurt. That's a good call, yeah.

I'm gonna try that too. With a little bit of white rice. Have you tried what happens when you give your dog like meat and stuff like that? Is that easier to digest for a dog? Yeah, it's easier. I would assume so. You know what meat is the most non-allergenic meat

for animals, so like if you're animal. The most non-allergenic food. Yeah, for I think for people too. Is it for people? You know what it is? It's pork. Oh, pork. Oh, really? Oh, is that the same? Oh, I see what you're saying. No, no, no. I don't think pork is for people, I think for people too. Is it for people? You know what it is? It's pork. Oh pork. Oh really?

Oh, is that the same? Oh, I see what you're saying. No, no, no. I don't think pork is for people I think. Yeah, so like what I've had, I've had dogs and cats and stuff like that, that have like are super allergic to all kinds of different foods. And so they typically tell you to put them on like an all pork diet for a while and then and then after they've been eating that for a while.

Interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that of all the meats that can bother me meets I have a really good tolerance. I can eat meat forever But the one that if I push too hard I can sometimes have a gargle that meat is actually pork Believe it or not pork actually might bother me sometimes bothers me. Yeah, sometimes sometimes really mm-hmm Since really well with me, yeah, dude. Did you I'm gonna ask, Sal, did you see the study on the erasing memories in mice? Oh, a long time ago. Oh, dude, no, this is new. This is new. This is brand new, brother.

So, fill this up, fill me in. Yeah, yeah, let me, memories can be altered in mice. Or human snacks. Let's fuck up. It says, let's see, I haven't been doing this for less. You imagine that? Oh, oh, you did kill that person. Oh my god, I did. What? Go to jail. Yeah, this, it's crazy, I haven't been doing this with us. You imagine that? Oh, you did kill that person. Oh my God, I did. What?

Go to jail. Yeah, it's crazy, right? Neuroscientists usually define a singular memory as an ingram in ENG-RAM, a physical change in brain tissue associated with particular recollection. Recently brain scans revealed that an ingram isn't isolated to one region of the brain and instead manifests as a colorful splattering across the neural tissue. And what they're saying is that if they're trying to do it

for PTSD and Alzheimer's, or Alzheimer's. Yeah, Alzheimer's. Dude, that's, have you guys watched the movie? Jim Carries in it. Beautiful mind. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Sunshine, the spotless. It, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Well made really it's good. One of his best such a well made movie. So good. But anyway, it's a drama though.

The premise of it and I won't do the spoiler. I won't give you the spoiler, but the premise of it is, you go to these places in the erase bad memories. So like if you had a terrible breakup or something traumatic, they'll erase it from your mind and then you don't have it anymore. And so that's what it reminded me of. So I mean, that's also total recall.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the theory on here is that they're gonna be able to do that, you know, so how crazy would that be? That's scary to give someone that power that could go on in a race with it. And you have to ask yourself, would that be ideal? Because it is what shapes us into who we are,

but the argument they're saying, and again, for the like PTSD or someone like that, that's like, well, if you have these awful traumatic memories that are making you angry, making you depressed, is it better to delete it or to deal with it? That's the question. That's the moral question. It work right, which I think I would argue

that the overcoming it would be the idea, which is, I mean, that's the alchemist or I was talking about the journey and that's really the magic is that, right? And I'm not trying to be insensitive to people with No, I actually so I want to be very clear have lots of empathy for those But we we really don't know the potential Benefits or the ways that it has

molded our character to go through these things so so what ends up happening? We have a bad That's it. We have a really bad experience and super traumatic and We just think about it. We mull it over all the time, it causes lots of pain and anxiety. And we erase that. We don't know if alongside that pain and anxiety or whatever, it's also shaped our character and helped us become who we are. And if we erase it, we become someone else. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. That's kind of an interesting, interesting problem. Yeah. It's interesting too, because I mean, if you get into like some weird stuff, like pedophiles and all that, like maybe there was an impressionable thing that happened to them in their childhood

that they can delete and then it sort of rewires their brain. I know that can see the argument going in the right kind of different directions. That's why it's like, I don't know. This brings me a question that I've always thought about and you know, the good thing to, I wanna ask you guys to hear what you guys think. Like have you guys ever thought back

like when you think back to your deepest memories, like as far back as you go, do you have more memories that you recall that are positive or negative? It's so, this is actually something that they've studied quite a bit in people. I find that interesting, right? Cause I know as a kid, I know that my life wasn't a bit and people. I find that interesting, right? Because I know as a kid, I know that my life wasn't all bad,

right? I remember it well, I mean, I had a great childhood. But I know that we had some dark times and hard times. Unfortunately for me though, the positive things that probably happen to a lot as a kid are blurry or not existent for me where the traumatic type of things that happen are very vivid. That's normal.

You know what I'm saying? That's normal because from an evolutionary standpoint, think about it this way, if something bad happens to you and then something good happens to you, which one, which one's more important to remember for survival? For survival. So the brain is kind of designed or evolved

to pay attention to the bad, scary shit, to keep you alive more than the happy fuzzy stuff. And so we tend to have memories that way, but also context matters too. So let's say your life is going great right now and everything's awesome. And let's say you wrote a book or you did something and you talked about all these difficult things, you then may be able to think back and have more positive, you know, in a positive light now because you're in the context of your life being good.

Let's say that your life is bad, then you may look back and think the same thing. It's like when you're dating someone and you get in a major fight with them and then you think back to your relationship, you start to remember all the bad things. Or when things are great, then you start to think of all the good stuff.

So that matters too, right? So well, then for you guys, I mean, I think we're all in very good spaces right now and lots of positivity around all of us. I mean, that doesn't change for me right now when I think back to childhood and like the memories, it still stays the same that I have a lot of these, you know, more traumatic memories. What about for you guys? When you guys think back like a lot of your from seven to 15 years old, what are the memories that you have?

If I think of right away, start thinking of stuff like that does do positive stuff pop out. If I think of a specific thing, where I remember all the details, it's usually a bad thing. But if I think of a feeling, then it's good. If I think of my childhood growing up, it was very, I had a great childhood back then. Yeah, in general, it tends to be positive,

but yeah, if I go to specifics, I can recall things that I wanted to improve. I think that's the biggest thing for me. I always look back at things that I screwed up or something happened that I was like, oh shit, man, I gotta do better at that. And I'm always very critical of what I did when I was growing up.

But yeah, for the most part it's pretty positive. I think there's been a few that you know, obviously stand out once they start thinking about like, you know, like people messing with me or something, you know, traumatic. I find that really interesting and it makes me like, you know, it's the black mirror episode right where you could rewind and like I wonder what that's going to be like for us because we are definitely evolving to this point with the way we are connected to social media the way we post that somebody who's an i-genre like them in 20 years they literally could technically oh and for sure there's going to be lots of people to have this. Yeah you have a timeline. Yes. You're born now right. Like any kind of media. Yeah.

Of something that has a content that you've actually written, a picture that you've posted, like it's going to be really, really interest. And the fact that, so trip on this for a second. So we talk about how you are connected to some of the negative stuff or the traumatic stuff, and that's evolutionary. That's why we've, that, I mean, that's why that makes sense. Right. Like you said, to survive, right. That we've, I mean, that's why that makes sense, right, like you said, to survive, right, that we would attach stuff. But when you look at the way people post on Instagram,

what do you post on Instagram? Well, that's different. That's because you want everything. It's awesome. So think about that. So now fast forward 20 years from now, and you're 25 years old. I think everything was awesome.

Right. Now, does that distort who you are? Because when you look back, you've only posted all your highlights of your life and none of the traumatic or the bad things? Maybe. Will that ultimately make us a happier society or will it be you have a distorted view on yourself and life?

That's an interesting question. I don't know. I have to think about that. I have no idea what that would be like. I think what's going to end up happening in the, in the, in the, in the new futures is everything is going to be recorded. And not because you're writing it down and, and, and recording yourself, but because it's literally being recorded.

Yeah. Where sensors everywhere. Where you either have contact lenses on that record, everything that you do. And trust me, the, you me, the pragmatism of, or at least the viability in how, like the utility of it would be amazing. Think about that. Imagine if you could record everything all day long.

You wouldn't have to remember things if you forgot something or what happened if there was an accident, whatever, you could play back the camera and be like, here's what happened. This is what, you know. It would be incredible. It would be incredible. It would, this is what, you know. It would be incredible. It would be incredible. Everybody's point of view and then you can really evaluate,

you know, like who is that fault or who was, you know, like in the right, whatever situation it was that required, you know, some kind of judgment. Yeah, I think that's what it's gonna look, now I also think that's gonna pose some also some other, some problem. Of course, where's the privacy then? Oh, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? I mean, people like him manipulated. Oh, someone hacks your own video. Yes. And say, no, this is what happened. Well, you already see too, like what worries me is a lot of the videos now, like it's so sophisticated, they can take over people's,

basically talk for them. Have you seen some of those? Yes. I saw some, You guys mentioned that I haven't seen any of these. Bro, I saw one where they took, it's been good. They took Trump and they took Barack Obama.

And they took real videos of them talking like at a podium, doing a speech. And then they use this technology to make them say other shit. And you can't tell. And think about that. Think about like some world leader or somebody speaking in front of a crowd. So they could be speaking in front of the crowd, but where's everybody else watching it? You know, on TV or like through some other media source, and so... Right, right, there's literally a thousand people in front of them, but they're 10 million

are listening. It might be a completely different message than what was even delivered. And you know, and so it's just, it's crazy. It's gonna be crazy, but I also think at the same time there's a lot of natural checks and balances with that, right? Because now, even just today, anybody with a phone could record it and show people what the actual, what would actually happen.

Yeah, that is true. So it's gonna be a lot of, oh God, a lot of responsibility on people. A lot of responsibility for us to kind of figure things out for ourselves rather than having other people tell us, you know, what to think. Yeah. I do have some interesting good news for you guys.

Oh, I like it. I like those kind of updates. It might be good news for you guys. I like it. I like those kind of updates. It might be good news. So apparently, apparently, bread, the food that everybody loves, bread is paleo. Bread is paleo. Did they just acknowledge that?

So they just, what the hell? So scientists have just discovered the earliest evidence of bread. They actually found some black and bread that's been around for fucking million years. They found some ancient stone building like, uh, it's all hard, it's like a brain, like artifacts or whatever. And they found they were making brick and they think, no, they're found food scraps.

And the food scraps showed that they were bread and the bread was 14,000 years old. So, so they've been making bread for a lot longer than we think. Then we... Egyptians making bread, or is that just, I mean, I know they were making some kind of beer. I don't know, I don't know about that. But apparently bread has been around a lot longer than we... Wait, how are they proving that again?

They actually found some bread that's been around for that long. They find, of course, artifacts or whatever, and then they do what is it called carbon dating, which is pretty, pretty effective, pretty accurate. And they found the bread to be 14,400 years old. I thought there was a lot of room for air in carbon dating. I thought that, I thought they proved that a long time ago that it was like, it's not gonna give you the exact date,

but it's pretty accurate that it's over. Really? It's right around as old as they think. So that, that's not true. So it's not true that that could be, I heard it could be way off. I don't know. I don't know, but there you go.

Now it is important to note that, and that does kind of shit on the whole paleo advertising marketing theory or whatever, but it is important to note that the grains and shit that people were using back then are really not, nothing like the ones that we've got. Oh, for sure, no. Yeah, no, for sure not.

So, I mean, isn't that what makes sour dough so great too, is that how it's processed and it's fermented? Yeah, right. And that's probably how they did it back in the days too. Part of it, the other thing is they, you know, bread was, they didn't use, I don't think they used yeast until later. So bread was probably flat.

And they probably used other types of, it might not have been wheat, right? It might have been other cereal grains that they used. But here's the thing with the cereal grains. The reality is, they are very nutrient dense and calorie dense for what they are. So it did provide, I mean, it was a boom for humanity. But even the, you know, of course, the agricultural revolution exploded the world population. So it's not all bad. Right. But what we eat now doesn't look like, you know, you've ever seen a picture of ancient, like ancient wheat or ancient corn looks nothing like tiny dude. All different

corn is like a spindle. It's like one single spindle with like a kernel here and there. Spiratically. Yeah, versus this like starch bomb that we have now. Yeah, that we've been vented now. It's like flaky yellow, bubbly, the fucking balloon. Yeah, no, it didn't look like that. I would like to know how off like a lot of our new nutrition books that we've been reading for a long time are because I know

like when I read, you know, when we read those books, right? And it goes through and you look at like an apple, like fruits and vegetables and all the things that are now genetically modified and have been over the last 50 plus years and about 100 plus years even that, right, where it's now like, okay, so what's an average apple according to my nutrition thing? Well, it says that it's 110 calories. Well, is that because they're when they first did it? they're... When they first did it? Yeah, like when they first did it, it was like this big, you know what I'm saying?

Like the size of it, like the small one. Yeah, like they kept those standards. That's what I mean. Like, now I know this. Now I know this. And food has changed a lot in like 40 years. Well, selective breeding, I mean too. Like we've taken the, we've harvested the best fruit

and tried to duplicate it too. So that's part of it. Like not just like we haven't been in a lab. So take like a banana for example. And I've done this and a sweet potato. I've done this before. I wrote this was actually like, this was like mind blowing for me when I first,

when I first actually weighed this out and measured it. Because I would, I would used to go off before all the apps and all the cool shit out. I would just say one medium banana. Right, yeah, exactly. Or I would say, you know, sweet potato is, you know, X amount of carbohydrates or whatever. And I remember a regular size sweet potato being,

you know, X amount of calories. And I just, you know, never really weighed measure. If I was eating sweet potato, I just guesstimated that it was probably around, around their give or take. And it was three times when I actually weighed it. Oh my God. It was three times when I actually waited. Oh my God. It was three times the amount of calories

and carbohydrates than what I was assuming based off of what the old books were saying. So then it made me just go like, oh, banana. Yeah, you wonder how like, when's the last time they like updated that? Like, and re-did the whole standards. And a lot of them were based off of like these like very, very small.

Like doubt they're motivated to do that. Like, it's to get money in that direction. Exactly. So like why change it around. Have you seen like old Renaissance paintings of fruit and stuff like that from like a, you know, long time ago? Yeah.

And they'll be like an apple, which is like all seeds. Yeah, full of these massive seeds and they're small. I'm like, that's an apple. Yes. I bet it was like super tart and sour. That looks nothing like the sugar explosion that we have now. And this is what really, because we know this as trainers has been said for a very long time.

What do they say that 80% of people under report their food? Oh, so a lot of it I think is an even, I think it's not just their fault. They think they're like, I think even the people, I think there's a large percentage of people that are Reporting or tracking their food and think they're actually tracking correctly and just don't realize that because they haven't taken it to the County counters said one apple. Yeah, yeah, and it's like okay Well, what's two and your apple looks like this right? It's like a fucking softball. It's like

To look closer to golf balls and they did soft balls, so that's crazy. So I wanted to ask you guys, if you guys use baby powder with your kids or ever around your house, did you see the big thing with Johnson and Johnson right now? No, I don't. I don't use it. I don't use baby powder. Check this out. Is there some shenanigans with the, that company? Is it true? Is it true? Is it true? Is it true? Is it true? Jury orders Johnson and Johnson to pay 4.7 billion in a Missouri as best dose cancer case. Get the fuck out of here. Yes. Why am I?

And they lost. So saying that the Johnson and Johnson, there was over 22 women who led the company, including its baby powder, contained as best dose and caused them to develop over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and cause them to develop over and over and over and very Ovarian cancer. They put as bestos in their baby powder. That's what it's saying what in the fuck That's fucked up evil for they they lost dude 4.69 billion dollars largest largest case true Crazy right? Wow I never used a 22 woman. John's just, you know that fucking stock plummeted

after that too. That's a, that's a fucking god of business. That is a massive company. Yeah, massive company. You, right? Compart 500 says that, so they found, they found asbestos in the baby powder. Yeah, wow, that's, that's, that's inhumane.

Works when you burn, right? Yeah, that's not the fire. inhumane works when you burn right? Sorry, yeah, you have to get like special people to come to your house just like in gloves and They have to treat things a very specific way if they find even asbestos tiles. Yep. As best those to safe As long as it doesn't start to flake, you know, it's just there. It doesn't do it. It's in powder So it's like yeah exactly. So why would you even use it instantly like that? It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know how that, how it could have possibly, why is it connected to his bestos

or is it the baby powder itself that caused the ovarian cancer? Like why would they put his bestos in baby powder? That's right. That's why I don't understand either. I mean, this is just, and the article doesn't say what? How are the conspiracy theorists are going crazy right now?

So this literally, this was on Apple Apple news just like a day or two That's unreal. Yeah July actually make July July 12th. So this actually just happened and it doesn't say that they found as best Those in the baby powder. Oh, here we go. Doug just pulled something up. What does that say they're dug? Yeah, Tauk is mind and so asbestos is found in the the mind Talk which they use a powder That's what it is see so so maybe an unintentional but still like they didn't do their due diligence and test it Yeah, oh shit and you would be how would you be able to tell right? Yeah, you put that on babies you fuckers I'm fucking crazy right? You put that on babies, you fuckers. You know, you fucking crazy, right?

Busters. Wow. Wow. Listen, I tell people, go as natural as possible. Don't use shit like this. So these women were using baby powder on their vaginas because they thought it would come. I'm not gonna lie, I would have never,

I would just, you would not, I wouldn't think that baby powder would even have something that could be compromising to, you know, it's baby powder. That wouldn't be anything. Well, yeah, exactly, because we grew up with it and we think, right, nothing. Well, that's why it's not even made from real babies.

Go down the rabbit hole, but. Yeah. Yeah, I don't trust in their formulas. I don't know that shit, dude. If it's not like natural, scary, dude. Yeah. So, but I mean, if Johnson and Johnson is mining and that's how it's made through this, what's tal, what is tal? Because anyone know what that is. Does your

your soul get itself? Yeah, I don't know. No, it's not the powder obviously, but it's definitely not using my morals anymore. Some type of a mineral. Yeah, so I would assume that all. See, now that I know it's a mineral, it's definitely doesn't make sense. Even putting talc on things. Like, it doesn't make sense to put powdered minerals all over yourself all the time, because you could potentially absorb some of it. It's like, it's like, you know, the sunscreen. So, I buy the sunscreen I use on my kids, I don't use the chemical stuff,

because that should... More zinc. I use zinc oxide. But I also make sure it's not nano-particularized, which is where they take zinc and they crush it so much that you rub it in and you can't see it. Because that way it'll penetrate the skin. The problem with the zinc oxide sunscreens

are they leave a little bit of a white sheen. You know what I'm saying? And that's how it works, it reflects things off. So then what companies did is they crushed the zinc so small that you rub it in, you can get that white sheen, but then they find, oh you absorb the zinc that way. So you gotta be careful with the things you put on your skin, man. So when you put the sunscreen on your kids, you use the stuff that's like,

it looks like paint is going on there. If you put it on real thick, I do rub it in, but then when they get wet and sweaty, you can see they look kind of white. Yeah, do you remember the 80s? Yeah, yeah. Put that on our nose like the fresh colors. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that how that's how that's how that, that's how that's how I'll tell you what it is way more effective at stopping some burn Like you put that shit on you are not getting I mean, it's very very

It's like the lifeguards and everybody that were like in the sun like all the time They were always putting yep zinc oxen because the other stuff is straight up Zenoesergins and these weird chemicals that are One of the doctrine to endocrine is Doug would say descriptors So I wonder I wonder then how many of these, this baby powder stuff. I mean, not just, I mean, we're picking on Johnson and Johnson and Johnson right now, but if is all powder, I know a gold ball.

They gotta look into it. Gold bond and all these things. What do you think gold bond is? Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's gold bond, by the way. That's the brand, isn't it? Oh, no, no, it's, you know, it's owned by the same, uh, Armin Hammer, the,

Armin Hammer. Oh, Armin Hammer, yeah, I think, right I'm I think that's who it is Well, I didn't see if I've used that too for like yet so I'm out or I was just throwing it on my balls the other day No, you don't yeah, that's why I made me think of this bro. This is why was a big deal to me You put gold bond on your nuts. Sometimes it's itchy. Oh wow. Yeah, I have a nut very often But I'll do it ever now man If they're have you ever have you ever thrown some baby powder on your nuts before you put them in your drawers?

Yeah, you're that slush. Oh man, I mean, I don't want to recommend it to people now because fuck I don't want to give everyone cancer. But I mean, that was a shit. Gold bond body powders that contain talcum powder may increase the risk of ovarian cancer and women. Well, there you go. That's another lawsuit now.

There's a lawsuit apparently against well, they probably haven't looked into testicular cancer and not tying into that either yet. Closer but hold to you. But that in, okay, I don't know about you guys, but I mean, Justin being in a locker room a lot, that was an almost thing for all athletes, dude. That's like a thing you would throw you throw some base. Because you're girdle, too. You'd have to like wash like everybody used the same like laundry and it was like, uh, like, inevitably like the back of his gross, but you know, like you'd use this powder

to kind of make sure he kept all the bacteria at bay. Well, the thing that you're trying to prevent is like jockey it, right? Which is a, which is a fungal infection. The best thing that you can do to prevent fungal infection besides making sure that you're clean, you don't wear the same thing over and over again, is being healthy because when you have a healthy microbiome

on your skin, because you have a microbiome in your gut, but you also have a signature microbiome on your skin. And when that's healthy, it naturally fights fungus, it naturally keeps it off. I know when I'm unhealthy when I gut's off, I have more of a tendency to develop things like athletes foot for sure. For sure, so that's the most important thing.

These throw powder on stuff and all that stuff. I feel like a lot of that is. So when you were doing keto that you found yourself a little more susceptible. So when I went keto, I'm not more susceptible to athletes foot, but I went keto and then I took on top of it exogenous ketones.

So I got my ketone levels fucking high through the roof. And when I would do that every time, I'd be more susceptible to athletes foot. So I did some research and found that the fungus and athletes foot actually can feed off of ketones. Oh, interesting. So knowing all the stuff now, it always makes me curious to like what I was doing.

Because what was the kid? I remember I had athletes foot for a little while in high school and then it's never, I've never seen it or ever had it ever again as I got older. It's pretty easy to get rid of, right? I used it as my clon is all and the, you know, tone, fanat or whatever they're called, you know,

anti-fungals over the counter. They're pretty effective. I use monostat. Wait, is that the wrong stuff? Monostat for, actually, it's still worse. Or dirty vagina, bro. It's not bro, shut up, bro. So it's for dirty wizard sleeves.

It's for you. It's for you. You're dirty wizard sleeves. That's a good commercial stat. We're not even sponsored. Monestat is my condos all. Same stuff that you'll use on athletes foot or jokage. Speaking of microbiomes, more research had just come out to show that they did a study on children with autism

and they took these kids and they did a fecal transplant where they're trying to give them a better internal microbiome. And the symptoms of autism were relieved in many of these kids. God, that's crazy. Like big time. What? That's awesome. Yes, big time. Whoa. And we've known. Like big time. What? Yes, that's awesome. Yes, big time. Whoa. And we've known for a long time. Yeah, we've known for a long time

that autism has been connected with gut issues, like diarrhea, constipation, like all these other issues. Right. And they thought that there was some kind of a connection, but they weren't sure. So they took these kids, did the fecal transplant, and it was a small study, but they found that hyperactivity, repetitive actions, irritability, everything improved

and continued getting better towards the end of the trial. I'm gonna tell you something, that's the power of poo. Yeah, no, dude, you know what? It's crazy though. Let me tell you something. If you look at all the mild antibiotics we're exposed to from the stuff that's in our soaps, like there's that one, that one, trickle sand,'s in our soaps, like what's that, there's

that one, that one, trickle sand that was in soaps, right, the anti, the antibacterial soaps. Two, the stuff that's in our tap water because people flush things down the toilet or whatever. Two, the chemicals that we use, two, the fact that our environments are so sterile and they're finding that the microbiomes of mothers and their children is becoming less and less diverse because you pass on to your child and that child has children and so on and so forth. I wonder if we're just hitting, we're just starting to hit that breaking point where our microbiomes are getting to the point where it's taking a few generations but it's so

fucked up that it's been under assault. Yeah, you know, food allergies, food intolerances, gut issues, mental issues, autism, all the stuff's exploding. It's all connected to the fact that our immune systems are just going haywire. Yeah. You know what I mean? From all the stuff. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Crazy. Quake call. Quake call. Quake call. Quake call. Quake call.

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Quee-qua- It's the motherfucking car. An eagle has landed. Quijuac. First question is from Mike Goes fit. Is it possible for your muscles to grow but your strength to remain the same? Yes, it is. Absolutely. It is and I've experienced this myself, but before we go into the possible reasons,

I think when you talk about what strength is, there's a few I think we need to talk about what strength is. There's a few components that we need to discuss with this. First off, obvious, obvious one, your muscles, right? And bigger muscle fibers contract harder. And so when people think of strength, that's what they think of. They think muscles, like, oh, I have bigger muscles, they're going to contract harder. That's going gonna make me stronger. Not necessarily true, because central nervous system. How do I have a power source behind it? How those muscles, how hard and quick those muscles fire, which is controlled by the central nervous system? It's why I love your analogy

that you started saying fucking years ago. It was the first time I ever heard anybody give that analogy. I think it's such a great analogy to get people to understand exactly how this works, which is the speaker and the amplifier analogy, because you absolutely can go by 12 inch subwoofers that should be more, should be theoretically more powerful than 8 inch subwoofers. But if you're not running a stronger amp, you won't really hear or notice a bigger difference

in it, which so, and to me, that's how I think of like the difference between strength and building muscle. And part of that is also the fact that strength is also a skill. There is a lot of skill involved with being strong, your ability to balance and fire muscles the way they should, how many times you've practiced a particular movement so your body knows that it can exert maximal force

because here's the thing, like if you look at like a highly trained athlete, like an Olympic lifter, Olympic lifters are great examples of this. They're able to summon most of the strength that they're capable of for their lifts. They've trained so often and so many times that their body feels safe,

outputting all that power and strength. So reason why someone like Phil Heath who get his ass kicked by someone who's 180 pounds, it's an Olympic lifter. That's right, that's right. Because his body isn't, it doesn't feel safe or used to being able to summon all his strength.

Now Phil Heath could summon all of his capable strength that his muscles could with good skill. He would be a lot stronger than he probably is in the gym. This is why sometimes people will be in emergency situations and find that they can summon strength that they normally didn't think they could. You know, the story of the mom lifting the car off her kid or whatever.

There's some truth to that to where... Yeah, that's a good point too about being able to control it though, because I mean, you can summon it and you could literally like, deplete and exhaust your body. Or hurt yourself versus like somebody who's trained well and developed this skill knows the right exact amount and the dose and when to apply it, when to pull off of it and in terms of like being the most efficient in that particular exercise. So there's a lot more that goes into it than just I can do this because

my muscles are, you know, pulling this from the ground. Now, when I look at this question, it says, is it possible your muscles to grow but strength remain the same? What comes to mind right away to me is a lot of my peers in the competitive, like bodybuilding world. This is really common where they, you know where they get this real bubbly looking muscles and they chase the pump all the time and they train in hypertrophy all the time. And so their muscles get bigger and they look bigger, but then they haven't really got that much stronger.

So this is super common in that space. It is, it's like, okay, it's like you have a car that has 400 horsepower, but it's got a rev limiter and we've set that rev limiter so that you're not able to exert all that horsepower. You try to push it, rev limiter kicks in, takes away your power, engine kind of shuts you down. Shuts you down.

Your body has natural rev limiter, and many times what limits your strength is not because you're not strong enough, but it's because your body limits your strength because it's trying to protect your body and your joints. If you have a certain amount of strength and you go to throw a baseball as fast as you can, many times what's limiting your speed isn't that you're not able to generate the speed, but the fact that your body won't let you, because it thinks if you do, you're going to

tear something. You throw your arm off your body. You're going to throw your arm off. A lot of strength is that skill, is that practice over and over again. This is why, you know, at a hundred and ninety five pounds, you know, I had practiced deadlift so many times, it was one of my favorite lifts.

It's an exercise that I can go and grind out, wait that guys that are 30 pounds heavier than me. And it's not because my muscles are stronger necessarily, it's because my body feels safe. Well, you're better than it. You've done it in a lot of times to condition your body that you're gonna be okay. That's right.

I was explaining this to Enzo yesterday because he was trying to, he's like, how come Sal was so much stronger on deadlift than you guys? And I'm like, well, you know, Sal's been, oh, I said, this is why you hurt yourself? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this was just little yesterday.

Yesterday I was having this conversation with Enzo and I just said, you know, Sal's been deadlifting since he was like, fucking 15 years old. Like I literally started deadlifting and like 28 way later. Yeah, way later in my life and not to take anything from him. I mean, that's, but that just shows you how much.

Yeah, you develop that skill to, you know, really high level. So that's just the difference. It is. And so, and now here's the thing, would you want more muscle and less strength? Well, I guess if you're just looking for the aesthetic and you really don't care about strength,

then that's fine, but here's a potential. You wanna be a walking balloon animal? Yeah, and here's easy. But they're easy. There is a benefit. There is a benefit, though. For a very long time. I'll show Noga for an ASTAC.

Yes, for a very long time, I was this guy. Like I used to pride myself on going to the gym. What was your saying? When I take my shirt off in the bedroom, a girl doesn't ask me how much I've been. Yeah, it's right. It's true. You know, they did.

So I was, I was, I mentioned for girl did do that once though. Yeah. Wow, you look good. What's your deadline? Yes, true. Oh, that's a hundred pounds less than me. I got a bench over there in the corner.

I was. I was all show no go. But yours, if that's your goal, like is to, in which let's be honest, okay? Fucking at least have to people listening to the show right now. If not more, dude, they just care about the way they look. Plus, let's, let's, yeah. Plus, here's the other, here's the real benefit though,

because I'm gonna side with you, but here's the real benefit, Adam. It's not so much that people just wanna look good and don't really care about the strength, although that's true. The real benefit is training for maximal strength is way riskier than just training to build muscle. This is where I was heading with this. Okay, so I trained four years being the all show,

no go guy, and just trying to look cool. And I used to pride myself on being the guy who'd walk over next to the dude, Grunt and Grownin, and throwing up crazy weight with terrible form. And I would come over with my real light baby weight and get this, but look ripped and jacked and be exercising, balancing, or doing weird shit. And so that was my thing.

Now here's the deal is when I switched over to strength training, I saw some major gains. Like I definitely saw my body change. I saw the look of my muscles. There's a lot of positive things like what I, and I remember sharing this in the show years ago, was I liked that I didn't have to be pumped up to look bigger and stronger.

I know the strength training gave me, and we've talked about this. That's the muscle. Right, we've speculated on like, does it actually look diff, does that muscle fiber like look different to the average person? I believe so, I believe that strength training gave me these dense, hard muscles that don't need to be aired up to look good.

So there was a lot of positive stuff. Now the negative stuff is, I've been hurt more in the last five, six years, strength training than I ever did. Oh, promotes a lot more stress around the joints. Right. There's no denying that at all. So, I mean, when I was the all show, go guy and all I cared about is looking pretty and shit. I mean, there's definitely some positives to that as far as, you know, being safer. And you still can

build a very incredible physique as far as the way it looks. Like absolutely I was getting killed if you compared me to a strength athlete or an Olympic lifter or someone like that, but you could build an incredibly aesthetic physique without ever being somebody who chases like heavy heavy. That's right, I learned this myself years ago because I always loved strength. I wasn't a power lifter or anything like that, but I just liked being strong.

And so I always tended to train to get stronger. And then there was one point where I started to change my training a little bit and I was just getting good pumps and just to change my training a little bit and I was just getting good pumps and just focusing on that for a second. And I was, oh, you know what it was? It was the first time I actually got myself really, really lean and dieted. And when you go into calorie deficit and you're trying to diet, you're not going to be

a strong or at least it's difficult to be strong. So I mentally had to make the switch and say, it's okay that I'm not as strong as I normally am. So because of that switch, I started training differently and I noticed that I was kind of getting bigger in certain parts of my body without getting stronger and it really tripped me out. I was like, oh shit, like I can actually look bigger or build a little bit of muscle without getting stronger.

So it's definitely true, absolutely true you can do it. I think there's some benefits sometimes of training just for muscle and that benefit comes in the form of safety, 100%. Like training heavy and pushing for strength all the time. I mean, you can do it in a safe way, and you can prime properly, you can check your ego, but no matter what, at the end of the day,

it's still higher risk for injury. Next question is from James Hammer. What is the worst injury you've experienced, and what did you do to recover from it? That's easy. Yeah. Well for you, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm going through it for sure. The Achilles was the worst one. Yeah, it's why just because it took the longest. Yeah, it I mean because you had Achilles terror. Yeah, I've had ACLM, CL stuff too. I really haven't been injured that much. I've never had a broken bone. I've never had stitches. So I haven't been injured a lot. I've had I've never had stitches. So I haven't been injured a lot.

I've had a cracked cockax. You know, I crashed it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not a cockback. Oh, that's the one in the back. That's the one in the back. That's my tailbone, right? So I...

That sucks, by the way. It hurts that that. It does. I got a blood clot from it afterwards too, because so I crashed my ATV on this. Oh, you told us. Yeah, I was on a... I was hitting a tabletop jump on my buddy's ATV and he has a wrist throttle instead of a thumb throttle

And I just wasn't used to writing as I was as I was going up the jump I lean back and that naturally broke my wrist and I like meaning I broke it down and it throttled it down and I took off And the ATV started to do a back flip in the air with me on it and I'm about you know, Travis Pastron, I don't know. So I did. And I kicked off, I bailed and came flat on my, landed flat on the dirt on my back and on the top of a tabletop jump,

but probably good 10, 15 feet up in the air. You're lucky didn't land on you. Oh, no, well, yeah, I kicked, so as soon as I started to go back and I was like, it was gonna go upside down. I pushed off of it. I mean, I felt it going in that direction and bailed. And I just landed straight on it. It was one of the most painful things that I had gone through.

They were talking about trying to fly me out. And I'm like, no, I can get out. And on the way back to the house, we had a stop at the hospital, because also, I lost the complete filling in my right leg. I just didn't feel it anymore. The reason why I did it was the swelling in my back, I had so big, it must have pinched a nerve.

But I was like freaking out, like all of a sudden, I mean literally no feeling. So to be like, oh and pain, and then like. And they're thinking paralyzed. Oh yeah, right away I'm thinking, so I get so scared, we get in the hospital, and then they get some ice on it. So with that, bring the swelling down,

I start to feel the feeling back. So it was okay. And then the doctors pretty much said, sorry, they did x-rays that we can't really do anything for you So here's some drugs. Here's a donut. Is it all off now? Do you have like a like a cuz I know It's a cracks. It'll heal weird. Yeah Well, it does feel like like I haven't gone back years later to go x-ray to see how like how much tail like how would But I can definitely feel like even this latest back injury that I just did,

it definitely always hurts in that area. Like I can feel like if I have like little minor stuff, like muscle related, I can feel it kind of, I hate tailbone shit. So that was a, that was a gnarly one and because I was, I was in so much pain and I was on this donut all day long, what ended up happening was because I was sitting around all day, and ended up getting this blood clot,

and I had like a softball-sized blood clot in my back, and they had to go out, I had to drain it, and that was a big deal. So that was pretty painful. But it even sounds worse than your Achilles. No, dude, that, I mean, I don't think maybe your Achilles feels worse because you were also simultaneously going through

the low testosterone, not training. Well, I'm sure, maybe. I mean, low testosterone, not training, depression, maybe. I mean, I'm sure that exaggerated, right, or amplified the feeling or whatever, not liking or thinking it was one of the worst injuries. But I definitely, I mean, the fact that it's eight months later and I still have days where I don't feel. That's true, it's a long time.

Yeah, no, it's a long time to be dealing with an injury still, and I don't, you know, I don't bitch about it all day long but it's it's fucking uncomfortable shit it doesn't feel good like I never I've never had something linger for this long and even again back to the other injuries the MCL ACL you know after they went in scoped that out yeah I was in pain for a month or so and then once it healed it was a little awkward for a while I I lost all my muscle, all that shit sucked. But the nagging pain and what I'm dealing, what I've dealt with with the Achilles has trumped

pretty much anything and everything else that I've been through. Yeah, one of my first, I have had stitches as a kid and all that stuff, but one of my first major injuries was dislocating my left patella, my kneecap. And this was when I was, I'm maybe 12, I think I was 12 or 13 playing volleyball with the family at the park. And I jump and I landed in the grass. I've seen that. Huh? Just seeing you play volleyball. It's incredible. Yeah. Just need to watch. Just running for it and diving. No, no, no, I went gracefully. You know what happened? I sp being his hair. My foot landed.

I got this, boys. In a hole and I twisted my knee and my kneecap went out and I hit the ground and it sounded like a dry crack, which was kind of weird. Yeah, and then I looked down and it didn't hurt at first and I looked down, I couldn't straighten my leg out. Like I couldn't get up and like what? And I looked down and my kneecap was here.

Yeah. So like the back of my leg. Imagine you see my kneecap here. Damn, it rotated over that leg. I wanna go. It was here and my skin was all stretched out to accommodate for it. Just looked fucking crazy. I'm like 12 or 13, I'm on the floor and I start screaming.

I start screaming the worst of the entities you've ever heard in your life around my entire family. Like fuck bitch, God, mother. And so my cousin, everybody runs over like what's going on and my cousin's looking at me and he's like, he starts whispering my air, he's like, you're saying really bad words, you're saying really bad words. But I couldn't help it man. I was just, cousin like crazy, ambulance came, they took me in the ambulance and then as

we're driving and they give me all this morphine, they're like, okay, the closest hospital we can take you to it, but your insurance, it's not a Kaiser hospital, I have Kaiser insurance. So my mom looks at me and she's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, go to the one that's far away. It's like 40 minutes away. So I had to drive my ass, we had to take us,

yeah, 40 minutes. So that was kind of bad. And then I wore this knee, this leg brace that where I couldn't bend my leg. Yeah, those are annoying. And I walked around in that thing for, I don't know, this leg brace that where I couldn't bend my leg. Yeah, those are annoying. And I walked around in that thing for, I don't know, two or three months. And this is why my left calf till this day

is bigger than my right calf, till this day. It was trigger sessions all day long on my left calf. And I think I did some hyperplasia because my right calf will not catch up to my left. And the reason why I walked so much on it is I also started dating this girl that lived, I don't know, two miles away. And this is the first time a girl ever

gave me like a hand job. So I would walk for two miles. It was worth it. I think you're a fuck man. I had a straight leg brace. It was in summer. The things that teenage boys will do for a hand job. For a hand job?

Oh, I would have crawled on my stomach. Even if it was through the pants. At that point. Oh, it's everything. Did I ever share the story? So after I had the surgery on the knee, I was in one of these braces also. And the most painful moment of my life was during this time. So it was-

We were going to try to go bend it. So it was before the surgery, they put me in this brace. I had surgery scheduled like a week or two later, but I had this foam stiff like it bracing. There's a little bit of play in it, but it kept me in this place. I had surgery scheduled like a week or two later, but I then had that had this foam stiff Like it bracingly had this so there's a little bit of play in it But it kept me in this fixed position You know, I was really annoying to do things like go to the bathroom and I'll never forget this So if you could imagine I'm sitting on one of those, you know elevated I'm in the handicap stall and I've got the bar next to me

I sit down and I'm taking a shit right and I got my leg locked out straight in front of me and the toilet seat did one of these so when I reach back to go wipe myself the seat slid yeah the seat slid just a little bit and then that one inch drop it dropped it underneath it did that with my leg that wrestling move. And I felt it tear a little bit more, and I'm just screaming crying. And this is a 24-finish back when I worked there. And I was crying inside the skull. You gotta tighten up your seats, bro.

It's a surging too. It's a tough one. People inside. Are you okay in there? Are you okay? I'm gonna be okay. No, this shit is horrible. Well, that was that with that. And then when I went to Paris right after that, before I had done the surgery, and I was hobbling oh, no, this shit is horrible. That was that, and then I went to Paris right after that

before I had done the surgery, and I was hobbling around in Paris and hooking it on a cobblestone that was sticking out and went the same direction. Oh, that's terrible. Buckled me to the ground, those two times, probably the most pain. So my other bad injury was in my other knee,

and I was in Jiu-Jitsu, and there was a guy that was the coach or the guy that was teaching the class cool guy. And whenever we would, on the ground, he would kill me because he was a teacher, but stand up, when we would do stand up and throws, I have a judo background and so I would do pretty well against him. And so we start doing stand up and he goes to jump guard

because this is a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys do when they don't wanna get thrown. They'll just jump guard. So he goes to jump guard. I'm getting ready to pivot to do a throw, so it's like really bad timing. My foot's on the ground. He just jumped on my knee.

His whole weight just, and I heard my knee go clack-clack. Like it made me seriously like invert it. And I'm like, for sure, I looked like a flamingo. Like it went backwards like a fling. And I thought for sure I tore my knee. Like for sure, I didn't actually, I got MRI'd and everything and I'm like, I told him, I thought, for sure, I tore my knee. Like for sure, I didn't actually, I got MRI'd and everything and I'm like, and I'm like, I told him,

oh, you tore my knee, there's a hundred percent. Nope, didn't tear it. That's crazy. And then the third worst injury, pulling, the first time I did lifted or pulled 600 pounds off the floor was with a trap bar, which I can lift about 45, roughly about 35 to 45 more pounds in a trap bar than a can of straight bar.

I don't know if you guys ever tested that to see. Yeah, this probably. And so, the thing I like about a trap bar is it helps get me used to a particular weight before I go to the straight bar. So I could feel what 600 pounds is like. So I put 600 pounds in the bar and I'm grinding and pushing through

and at the very top of the lift, big ol' my rib came out, big pop. Boom, right in my back. I put the weight down, I laid down on my back, and I couldn't move for, I don't know, an hour and a half, and I couldn't breathe either for like the first 10 minutes. Rose had ribs out. Yeah, you can't breathe, it's so restrictive. And I was like, am I gonna pass out?

Red out, it's going off. That's it for me. Yeah, dude, I've had a plethora of injuries, but they're all like when I was younger, like for the most part, like I did it all like through childhood. I mean, which is kind of crazy because I went and I played rugby,

I played football, you know, it's like super high impact sports, but the worst that I got from those sports was like I had like an MCL tear, and then that was like my senior year. And then before that, it was a plethora of concussions, which you totally don't count. Yeah, yeah. No, they didn't know that too.

Hold on a second. You had a plethora of concussions? No, I had three. I had three like obvious ones where I was like, oh, that was bad, that was bad. So what happens, you just, you just get knocked out or you just forget? No, like I, I, I still wanted to play because I was an asshole and, you know,

didn't want to listen to the, to the doctor, but like they do that test where they try and ask you like questions that, that, you know, whatever, who are you? What's your name? Like the president, whatever they can really, horrible ones that I screwed up. Cause like it, it's funny. You ever talk to somebody who had a concussion. It's like talking to somebody who's like super super drunk You know, it's it's really weird. It's bizarre. I could slur or whatever Yeah, like you just say like really random weird shit and like you remember is all totally different path

You remember what I felt like when you got the concussion? More than I was totally discombobulated like I just didn't know like it had many bearings like I didn't know where I was totally discombobulated, like I just didn't know, like I didn't have any bearings, like I didn't know where I was, and so they took me to the hospital after this one game, and I had made, like, it was like one of my best games, I had made the sack, I sacked the quarterback in the end zone,

got like two point conversion or a safety, and then like right after that, like I was going on kickoff, and I went to, I shouldn't have gone for the ball. It kicked it, you're never supposed to go for the ball if it goes over your head, you're supposed to let the guys behind you get it. And it was really close to me,

and so I just turned and grabbed the ball and caught it, and then turned in, which is another thing you're not supposed to be supposed to turn out. I turned into the comb like wedge breakers and there's like three of them that all tackled me. And they're running at my head full speed, full sprint. So that one was assuming you let go of the ball too. Then after that, no, hold on to it.

No, I'm just knocked out. I'm just got clobbered, dude. Did you get knocked out or were you just, you got up and you were just, I mean, I saw stars and like, probably briefly got like, you know, blacked out for a minute, but no. But yeah, I mean, my arm, so growing up, I had two, two ride arm breaks in the same year. That was the worst. So I, I basically like broke my arm the first time I was on a monkey bars and fell off like this really tall monkey bar.

Like every 80s kid. Yeah, I feel like that's the right of passage. You know, like you fall off the monkey bars, you break your arm. And then like the end of the year was like probably like six months later, seven months later. This this kid that we were playing, I was playing with my brother's friends and this kid just like pushed me in a ditch and I landed on a rock and fucking broke it all over again Oh, so I got really good at doing these in my left hand and so up for like maybe two years or so after that I was like ambidextrous like I throw a ball with my left hand like all that kind of stuff and There's a boxer that an old school boxer old time boxer. I want to say Jack Demsie

I'm not sure it was but he Same thing he broke his arm and then learned how to hit really really well with his other hand. And then he came up like a really really good boxer as a result. It's interesting. Yeah, I wonder if that helped me at all, but like, yeah, I was pretty balanced, you know, like going into sports after that. Like I didn't have any injuries. It was kind of crazy. Interesting. Yeah. Next question is from for a Schneider. What do you guys think about the latest steroid use and crossfit and the Transparency they are showing? Will that be a good or a bad thing for the growth of the sport?

So I'm totally on with that. Yeah, I'm totally unaware of this right now. There's are they calling people out of it? So we get busted or yeah, I think I mean there's there was a t-nation article that was highlighting it too. It's like sort of the I mean, there was a T-Nation article that was highlighting it too. It's like sort of the elephant in the room that now is kind of surfacing as far as like the usage has been reported all over the place. Do you know if they even, do they test them for competition?

Do they even test? So that's a good question. We should probably pull that up. I didn't get the CrossFit standards as far as like when they get into the games. Because I've never heard anyone get tested. I didn't think the games was tested. I don't know.

Oh no, they're taking tests. I just pulled up a bat, an article right now. Five, 2018, Reebok CrossFit Games Athletes, including Emily Abbott, failed drug test. So CrossFit headquarters just released the full list of regionals athletes in breach of CrossFit's drug policy Oh shit Emily Abbott's a big guy too. Yeah, and who else so let's find out

That's right. I'm all right. Froning and all those guys. You know what come on, dude. Of course they're all gonna Well, I know I'm just in the thing is it's such a new sport It doesn't surprise me that it would go into that direction first and then they have to kind of scale back Because if you're competing against somebody who is, you know, Emily Abbott, Emily Abbott, four-year sanction. Whoa, four years banned. Well, good for them, man.

So that's, she got tested positive for ebutamera. I've never heard of that, anabolic agent, ebutamera. We need to look that up. Dean Shaw Khloenmafine so he was taking Khloenmaid so now people are wondering well what and that's just that's a selective estrogen receptor My that's post yeah, he must have he must have gone off so trying to This is what when you hear stuff like that and they get they get popped for like Khloenmaid or something It makes me always wonder like how many of these guys and girls are running it a majority of the year But then then then then cycling

Yeah, and of course right before this is just this is just the person who gets to look with their getting cost Like any sport though, you know any professional sport a lot of people got banned because they were taking arms Sarms austrian Gw11516 wow and then windstrawl this guy's taking wind straw. What an idiot, everybody knows, wind straw, like we'll stay in your blood forever, or maybe not, maybe not everybody knows. Exogenous testosterone. I don't know that.

You know what, this is good. I'll tell you why this is good. If you want your sport to be mainstream and also to separate itself from, I think it's brilliant. I think the UFC honestly, I think, raised the bar for that. Like the UFC takes it's brilliant. I think the UFC honestly, I think, raised the bar for that. Like the UFC takes it very seriously.

They're going like super, yeah, super crazy detail with the way that they test and Usoda comes in and like on a whim, you know, they'll test you. So it's, yeah, and that's the thing about sport. It's, you want to portray, especially if you want to legitimize your sport, you want to have people behind it. And so you want kids to play your sport and grow up and perform the sport.

You want to maintain that purity as much as possible. But when you get to people that are doing it for their profession, they're getting paid to do it. Now, I've always wondered why we don't have, just like we do with bodybuilding. Why do you not have an all natural league and a natural league? Now, I've always wondered why we don't have, just like we do with bodybuilding, why do you not have like an all natural league and then a natural league? Well, I like that, it's an all natural league. Like why not?

Why not have a really strict, like extremely strict rules for steroids for the, you know, on, you know, the league that it does not have steroids and then you have a league that allows steroids. You know what's gonna be funny about this? What? So this reminds me of when the UFC bought pride. You guys remember pride?

Yeah. Okay, so pride was this MMA organization in Japan that notoriously did not test people for drugs and in fact, there were rumors that they would actually give them to their athletes. So when, and there was always, I love pride. There was always this debate like, you know,

who would win, you know, in a fight, the top pride fighter or the top UFC fighter? Like, you know, pride had like Vand know, in a fight, the top pride fighter or the top UFC fighter, like, you know, pride had like Vanderlei Silva, they had, what's the name? Mirko Pro Cop, they had, you know, this, this, uh, FedR, Emilie Enko, like, and then you have see you had, you know, people like, um, what's his name? Shuckled, yeah, Shuckled Dell, and I'm, right, so, you know, Andy, Randy Cortur, and they would always debate who would win win and when the UFC bought pride It was like oh now we're gonna know we're gonna see right and the crazy thing the craziest thing happened

Like van der Lee silver pride guys lost 30 pounds dude. Yeah, like van der Lee silver pride versus van der Lee Siva UFC does not look to say different human not at all and what's that one kickboxer guy tall dude? The Dutch kickboxer guy black dude fucking awesome. Yeah You know exactly what I'm talking to you the K. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, no, he used to fight in K1. Yeah, it was really really good. Good looking dude Dutch fuck Dutch guy. Oh god You gonna give me again. Um, you know who I'm talking about the B. It's Fuck you can't think of a game right now. Anyway, if we look up like some of the top, he just got knocked out recently, I think, in a fight.

Anyway, he looked super jacked when he was in pride. Like insane, look like an amateur bodybuilder. Comes to UFC, all of a sudden, he looks like just lean kind of skinny fighter or whatever, it's hilarious. I watch, it's gonna be funny to see what happens across the... Bellfort come from there too.

Bellfort, Bellfort was another one. That guy looked like a bodybuilder. Yeah, he was great. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, he looked like a kind of, you know, like a fit normal fit dude. Yeah. So I wonder if that's gonna happen with CrossFit now that they're testing and now that they know

that they're serious, because they just band a bunch of people. We'll think about how, you know, like as far steroids, like helping with recovery. I mean, that's the biggest thing with CrossFit, because I mean, you're just going through fucking hell the whole time you're repeating. I would argue that CrossFit of all the sports, it would be the most advantageous.

I feel that. That's the case. Alistar Overiem, overiem. Every God, he was like a giant. Bro, if you pull up, maybe Doug can pull up. Look up, Alistar, here I'll send you a picture of the stock. Alice Star Overream pride. And then we'll look them up. Alice Star Overream UFC. But what do you get a different situation? What do you guys think? I mean, this is a total

speculation, but I would think that steroids in CrossFit would be the most advantageous in comparison to any other sport that's out there. When you think of like the level of, these guys are doing like your top, top guys. Are there weight classes in CrossFit? No, I don't think so. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. Then in that case, it might not,

it's probably gonna be a huge benefit, right? Because you gain a little bit of weight because you're stronger, you don't have to worry about your weight class. Right. And then on top of that too, you think of the recovery, like Justin said, some of these guys girls are doing three times a day doing these crossfit look.

How are you going to bounce back after all that damage you're applying? Average human being just can't recover from that. He can't do that. No, and that's what I'm saying. I wonder what they're going to look like, what the fighters are going to look like, or excuse me, what the competitors are going to look like now that the testing is more serious. Yeah, look at the difference. See how we looked right there on the right

versus the one on the left or whatever? Yeah, you can add like 30 pounds to the guy. Yeah, and I wonder if the records are not gonna are gonna stay now, you know what I mean? Cause some of these records were set when there was no drug testing. And now that there's drug testing, are these guys even gonna be able to compete?

Well, and then you bring up what the study that you brought up, which I find fascinating, and I believe because somebody who has taken anabolic consistently before and then have been off now, I mean, I definitely feel like I've kept maintained, yeah. Yeah, a lot of that muscle. No, all of it muscle memory. Yeah, but a decent amount of it for sure. I mean, I don't, I think if I would have remained a kid who never touched anabolic,

I think the pace that I was going on was being somebody who probably weighed somewhere between 180 to maybe at the top 200 pounds, where, you know, I'm comfortably over 210 plus. And it's been quite some time now. So that's the other thing too, is like, well, fuck, what about these people that run this in the off season hardcore and then just get off?

See, my whole thing is, I'm just glad that this stuff's coming out because I always push for the transparency of it. Like don't portray yourself as being like this awesome natural, natural, and, cause kids are watching what you're doing. And like this is like gaining popularity and like, you know, just be honest. If you're doing it, then be honest with that's fine.

But don't try and portray yourself as this. I just got gifted with all that. That's how I met us as a lot. I don't shame anybody, obviously, because I have it. Well, here's the other thing to look at now. Now, I understand why UFC went crazy with their drug testing or why they took it so seriously.

These guys are hitting each other. And the last thing you want is to, if someone get hurt and then, you know, so I understand why they're doing it. Yeah, there's more like real damage. Now there could be, there could be an argument that for CrossFit, if they had just not tested

and just said, hey, it's in our policy, but not tested, they're not, it's not a sanctioned sport, you know, they're testing themselves. Like, maybe it would help ratings to have a bunch of jacked, you know, athletes doing crazy shit because it's a spectator sport, of course, sure, you know, of course it was. So it might as fans, people love that more. It's obvious.

I've heard their business. Yeah. I mean, I absolutely think you will. I mean, I mean, look what happened to baseball. Look what happened to baseball after they started popping everybody for juice. And then they saw the home runs going down. There, I mean, that what happened to baseball. Look what happened to baseball. Exactly. They started popping everybody for juice and then they saw the home runs going down. I mean, that's what there's a lot of people speculate. I brought it up on the show about six months ago or more ago. Oh, they're messing with the ball. Yeah, because they're trying to figure out,

I mean, people just like to see home runs, man. People want to see the ball. At the end of the day, they got to make money. That's right. So, I mean, yeah, if CrossFit starts to see all the strength go down. Plus, when they lose their top athletes who are pulling a lot of fans in for four years,

that could be a killer for their first. And most of the ones that have the highest like social media following stuff, they're the ones that are. And sometimes it's better to not say something cause now they're bringing it to light. So now the average person watching CrossFit is gonna be like, oh my god, all of them take steroids.

You see the bussettles, when they don't test anybody, then you still have that debate. Well, they're probably natural, they could be natural. I don't think they take steroids. They're not bodybuilders, you know? Right. It might have been a bad decision for that in that sense. Next question is from Heca Stubborn. What are some of your favorite functional exercises for experienced lifters who want to get more

into that kind of training? Heca, come on. I need that. Just say hella. Heca. Favorite functional exercises. I don't know if this, the one I'm gonna name. Can we, can we, I was just gonna say,

how are we gonna classify a functional? I'm thinking of, let's not functional. I'm thinking of, exactly, good point. I'm thinking exercises that are not mainstream, that are ones you don't typically see. So let's use that word. It's that I hate the buzz word functional because everything's considered functional, right?

So it's deadlifts. What massively function? What are some not common exercises that I think are biggest pain for your body? One for me is the Zurcher Squad. Zurcher Squad, I totally took for granted, didn't think it was that big of a deal. Then I started doing them on a regular basis,

because I'd done them here and there, but I'd never train them consistently. Watching my strength gains go up on it, and then watching what happened in my body, in particular my posterior chain, my mid back, and even my arms, even just holding a weight in the crook of my elbow really heavy. I developed like some more muscle and strength from it and I can see it now being, it's now a part

of my routine. In fact, Jessica does zertr squats every week because she said she really feels in her glutes and that's always an area she's trying to, trying to target. So that would be one of my top ones. I have two unconventional lifts that I think have been game changers for me. And one of them is the Bulgarian split squat, hands down for my lower body has been one of the biggest. I mean, not just strength, but it's also I've seen the difference in my mobility. It's improved my squat. I mean, it grew my legs. It is been huge for me. So Bulgarians put squat, that one, and then the Z press. The Z press has been a movement that I love to teach people. And it gets my shoulders pumped. It's like silly. It does. It gives you, and then also

that it promotes good core strength, a good thoracic mobility, good shoulder mobility. You just, you can't cheat the movement. It's a really tough effect. So many exercises that you can cheat your way through. It's tough. This is a movement that you just, you can't fucking cheat. It's a map split. It's a grind your way through.

I've been doing them because it's a whole phase two. Those two fucking movements, man, hands down. I always make sure that I've incorporated it in my routine, even if it's a program that we don't have it in, I still find a way to put those in there. Yeah, I think for me, definitely, like the windmill or bent press. Oh, yeah.

Up there just because. 100%. It shows me like where, like, so I get really stiff and I get like restricted, I get restricted in my lower back and just, in general, my thoracic rotations terrible. So it's like something that I like to make sure that I keep checking up on. It's not like I'm always doing that

in the programs, but I'm definitely doing that to kind of check up and see where I'm at and how I can, because it's such a lift that you wouldn't do. No, it's an awesome lift. So that's one of them for sure. And the other one, I know it's kind of obvious that I'm kind of like the rotational guy, but why I love like macebell training

and doing these like 360 swings all the time and so frequently, it fucking bulletproofs my shoulders. Like I literally have not felt any shoulder pain. And shoulder pain was a big deal. Like that was something that would always limit me once I would increase my lifts or like get to a certain level. I could never break through. Until I started doing rotational type exercise,

you never see anybody do it in the gym. You know, you don't see people swinging things around or using their arms like a whole nother, like throwing a baseball or throwing something is a natural movement that we've evolved to to do. I have to jump on board with you at that. You are the one that got me into the clubs and the mace and I've now it's been long enough that I've been using them where I've had stretches where I've been very consistent with it And I haven't been consistent with it the minute that I am off and I'm not being consistent with the mace and Indian clubs

When I go to do any sort of bench press I get this this pinch and this pain in my shoulder exactly and And it's that scary. Oh God if I go a little bit heavier I'm gonna do some damage here And so it always would limit me from pushing heavier weight when I'm being consistent with the clubs and the mace completely gone. And that to me, and so I'm glad you went the rotational way because I wish I would have thought about that because the bent press and the clubs and mace are definitely three things that I've now incorporated into my routine that we just were not a movement

that I would do that much because I have had the opportunity to be consistent with it and be without it. And I can see the difference that it's made on me for sure. I like going through old bodybuilding books and finding old exercises that people don't do anymore just because whenever you try a new movement, especially ones that were established a long time ago, like the bent press, right? The bent press and windmills were staples in old, strong man training. In fact, the bent press was a feat of strength.

It was in a lot of their acts. Oh, it was regard as just like the bench press of today. Right. Nobody did a bench press actually. Back in the day. That was like, you know, how much you bench. Like it was like- Nobody did barbell squats and nobody did bench. Back in the day. That was like, you know, how much you bench? Like it was like. Nobody did barbell squats and nobody did bench presses

back in the day. And the problem was how to get the bar in position. That's why they never did them. There were no squat racks. So if you wanted to do a squat, you had to be able to clean away, put it on your back and then do a squat. If you wanted to do a bench press,

you had to be able to get the bar, bring it up above your body, lay down on something and then press it up. So the bench press had never been, hadn't been invented, and neither had the squat rack, or at least it wasn't widely in use. So I like looking back and looking at some of these old exercises,

and then even old exercises of the 60s and 70s, like Zotman curls. Zotman curls are great for arm development, or incline lateral raises. You guys ever do an incline lateral raise? You've seen the old school body building one where you're laying down on the re-clined on your side. Yeah, through.

And you're kind of bringing the dumbbell to your front and coming outside. Well, you and Sissy Squats, I mean, that... The honest ones, I never did Sissy Squats until you kind of turn me on to those. Oh, I love Sissy Squats for quad development. So... I always read that.

If you put a workout together that consisted of all the movements... Old time? No, that we just said. Literally put that together as a routine and be a fucking killer. If you put a workout together that consisted of all the movements. No, that we just said, like literally put that together as a routine and be a fucking killer. We're missing a little back stuff. So everybody nailed some really good anterior stuff. We didn't do any posterior stuff there.

Good mornings, good mornings in old school exercise. You're starting to see people do it now, but five to 10 years ago nobody did a good morning. Actually, if you bent over like that with a bar on your back, get people that you're fucking doing it. Yeah, they freak you out. Oh my god, you got yourself.

But that was an old school exercise that. Great movement. Advance is fucking it. If you know how to do it. Great movement. Advance is fucking it. Yep, yep, absolutely. Hey, check it out.

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