Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 835: The Curious Case of Alex Jones & Other Controversies

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this heated episode, a little charged of the mind pump. We have some good conversation. We were a little stimulated by the news of Alex Jones getting kicked off of like all these social media play. It's a little frightening I'd be honest. We're not like super we're not followers of his I think he's kind of crazy But it is interesting interesting stuff to speculate on but we open the episode by talking about the Mail cheerleaders in the NFL. That's so excited for this. It's a new thing going on to snap the rams are doing it first

Starting point is 00:00:41 Justin might actually make it to the NFL now I'm gonna try out. Yeah, you guys watch are doing it first. Justin might actually make it to the NFL now. All right, yeah. I'm gonna try out. Yeah, you guys watch. We talked about us, Jones, of course, surviving social media in certain times. And then there's the, I'm not racist video by what's the guy's name, Adam? Joyner.

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Starting point is 00:02:04 Please. It puts like an angel of Let me hear you by the top. Oh, you bought it. Talk weird today. Talk to me. So I talk talk to my body Yeah, well a couple times in the last episode that we recorded I could tell I remember one time I shut off and then just has it just I sound different to myself. They're they sound really good I don't sound as sharp. I don't know if something's like I don't find me. Do you don't know if something's like a... Sounds like a... Do you sound good to me too?

Starting point is 00:02:28 Did that connect at all 100% on your... Oh, I didn't even think about feeling that. Let's see. Push it all the way. Oh, I heard a click. There it is. Hello. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:02:38 Oh, that's a stereo. It's always something so stupid. I know. I missed. I know. You guys ever do that? You ever call like a support? Yeah. And you're like, I've been working on this. Did you turn the machine on?

Starting point is 00:02:50 Yeah, I've been working on for three hours. And like, just try restarting. It doesn't fucking. And then finally you go do it. And it works. And you're like, fuck it, thanks. Yeah. I can begrudgingly.

Starting point is 00:02:59 Yeah. You're like hoping for something like, I wanted to make a complex. I need a whole new system. So frustrated. I hate it whole new system. Ugh. So frustrating. I hate it when technology doesn't work. Yeah, I give it.

Starting point is 00:03:10 Because it's technology, it's supposed to always work. No, we've evolved. Yeah, like these things just need to automatically work. Constantly work. And I'm the kind of person that wants something breaks. If I can get along with the rest of my life with it being broken, it's gonna stay broken. You know what I mean? If I absolutely don't need it, then it's with it being broken, it's gonna stay broken.

Starting point is 00:03:25 You know what I mean? If I absolutely don't need it, then it's gonna be alright. Just buy a new one. Yeah. I have never tell you guys a story like that. So this was an ex-girlfriend, my father-in-law, or father who wanted to show me how to fix my dryer if I told you this before. Okay, so, and we all know we have already admitted on this show that I'm like not handy at all and like terrible with that

Starting point is 00:03:46 Just like salad your hands. You basically speaking Chinese Like right. Well, so what happens is you know, this is at my this was at my house, right? And I'm dating his daughter this time and I've been with this girlfriend. I don't know like maybe six months or so and He's like a super retired firefighter fire chief and like super handy guy, right? Like it makes everything from scratch, you know, and Hunter, Fisher, all man's man told him, right? And he would always be busted in my balls and stuff because I didn't have like a tool kit in my house and I didn't fix anything, you know?

Starting point is 00:04:17 And of course I get it, I'm dating your daughter too. So he's like constantly just busted my balls like this, because this guy can be able to take care of me. I can't even change his oil. Right, exactly, no, exactly. He's can be able to take care of him. Change his oil. Right. Exactly. No, exactly. He's going to be able to take care of my daughter.

Starting point is 00:04:28 You know, shiffy loo. So I have my, where my dryer breaks. And you know, I had, at this point, I think I had my house, but for like seven years and I inherited that washer and dryer and I'm like, it's time for a new one. I'm saying, so I'll get a new one. He's like, are you kidding? It's probably just that, and he just rattled off some part. It's probably just that.

Starting point is 00:04:50 And I'm like, well, I don't know how to fix that. And he's like, that's so simple. I don't cost us just a few bucks. It'll be nothing. Well, he's like Saturday morning, I'll be at your house at eight o'clock. And I'm like, fuck awesome. Just what I want to do Saturday morning.

Starting point is 00:05:02 So I'm like a course, because Iudgingly I agree to it, right? And he shows up and, you know, with his whole toolkit. And, you know, we get down there and we take apart this fucking, you know, dryer. We completely take it apart. Disassemble the whole thing. Yes, this is symbol of the whole thing, which this is like a never as easy as they describe it ever. This is like a three hour process. And he's handing me the pieces, you know, like put that over here put that here

Starting point is 00:05:25 We take it all apart and he says, yep, just what I thought, you know, he's like we'll go get we'll be down to home People we go down home you post 20 bucks, you know fix it and then put it all back together and we fix it And I remember the look on his face because it was like this moment of like I think he wanted to be like see You know, yeah, you were gonna go buy a thousand dollar fucking drive You know what you would have go buy a thousand dollar fucking dry. You know what, you would have been like, if I could rewind time, I would have bought it and told you not to come on. 100% yeah, because I go, I just spent eight hours on my Saturday taking a part of my

Starting point is 00:05:55 whole day. Yeah, it's taking a part of fucking dryer, you know, to save my, I said, if my Saturday was worth that to me, you know, it's just so funny. I like that is funny. And yeah, I go through all the time, because like I grew up with, you know? It's just so funny. I was like, that is funny. And yeah, I go through all the time because I grew up with my dad and grandpa's and everybody was like, they prided themselves on. I built my entire house, you know, myself.

Starting point is 00:06:16 Like I didn't have any way, no, none of my friends came. You had like a friend that came to help like lay down the foundation of cement, but literally every single item in that house was like hand-built, you know? And it's like, I just can't compete with that. Yeah, so I was always like,

Starting point is 00:06:32 they don't know how to use Google, so they're like, exactly. Yeah, there you go. Well, they have access to all the information in the world. Well, you know, and the argument to that is, and I get this side, right, where it's, yeah, but you need to be able to do some of the most basic things to survive and you should be able to do these things hunt and cook.

Starting point is 00:06:50 And like, it's fixed certain things, right? Or all the things you can also evaluate whether it's worth your time. Well, and they go, well, what if everything, what if the internet blew up? And we don't have any of these things. Well, fuck, right, we'll be fucked. But here's the thing the way I look at it too, though,

Starting point is 00:07:03 like what I think is just as valuable, okay, as learning those skills is also learning how to network with people. And so. But I made friends. Exactly. So if shit, the lights went out. It's good for the economy too.

Starting point is 00:07:17 If you're providing jobs. If the lights went out, I'm the fuck, man. I've made a lot of friends that can actually build things and fucking fix shit. Here's what you need. Here's what you need is like here's I here's what you need if shit goes down first of all if the internet explodes That's a big deal. It's not like yeah, you know, that's a Pandemonium crazy just happened Forget learning how to start a fire and get a gun. Yeah, you need a gun

Starting point is 00:07:40 Let me just and yes if you have a gun don't worry. You'll find long thinking find people that will do shit for you Hey, man, you look candy. Start that fire for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're what I have here? Yeah. You're a motivation. You're okay with that.

Starting point is 00:07:54 That's all you need, you're with the S's. Hey dude, what's going on with the GnFL right now? Oh, big news, dude. Big news. Mail cheerleaders? You got first, you got the first female assistant coach on the Raiders, so that was big news this year, right? That is cool.

Starting point is 00:08:12 And now we have our first two male cheerleaders. Yeah, do you know what other, for the ranch? Do you know what I think about? Are they gonna come out in the skirt with the pom-poms? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no What's happened? I would bet everything on this. So debate me on this, but I bet you anything. The NFL lost ratings because they were forcing people to stand for the anthem. Right?

Starting point is 00:08:51 They're saying, if you don't stand for the anthem, we're going to find you or whatever. And they got a lot of heat from a lot of people who are saying, oh, you shouldn't do that. You're infringing on the right to, you know, whatever. So they had a big meeting and they sat down and said, okay, how can we divert attention? Who are the people that were pissing off by making them forcing them to stand? And what can we do to get those people to like us again

Starting point is 00:09:12 through it's guys to do cheerleading? I think it's literally diversion. So you don't happen to us? Because I don't think it's a market demand. I don't know anybody. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I can't tell you like anybody that was like yelling to make this happen. No, I don't think so. You know what happened to me I can't tell you like anybody that was like yelling to make this happen.

Starting point is 00:09:25 No, I don't think so. You know what happened to me yesterday when we went to the game that I thought was interesting that has never happened to me before, all the games I've been to, we were actually coming into the arena at the same time that the national anthem was being sung and they actually shut everything down. They stopped lines from moving. Oh, really? And it took me to figure out, like, this

Starting point is 00:09:45 guy starts, he comes running across where, I mean, there's lines of people that are going through the metal detectors and scanning in, right? We're trying to get in the game so we can make the kickoff, right? Yeah. And dude starts yelling, hold on, he's like screaming to hold all lines. All lines are held, then, you know, outside the, the Niners stadium, they have like the TV monitors that go all the way around. So the flag comes up and then the National Anthem. And then I'm like, I'm looking around because the way they got me screaming, I thought some shit went down.

Starting point is 00:10:09 Like someone got stabbed and they're like, don't let anybody else in, like check it security. I'm like, oh shit, what's going on? And I'm trying, the National, and it's like, it doesn't even dawn on me. Like the National Anthem's going, and that's why we stopped. I'm trying, I'm trying to figure out what went down.

Starting point is 00:10:21 And then I realized, oh shit, like they're holding everyone from coming in. Do they normally do that? No, it's never I've never ever I've been in putting games where I've been like coming in late There's a lot more emphasis that's I don't like that. I've been to a lot of games. It does never happen to me I don't have a stop. I don't have a problem I've been stopped going to my seat right like if I was about to go down and walk in front of people like during action or something like that Not the whole arena's shut down. I don't have any problem with people standing, I stand for the anthem, I have no problem with that.

Starting point is 00:10:50 I also don't have any problem for people. If you want a meal, that's your freedom of expression. I don't like the, your right is an American. Yeah, I don't like the forced feeling, it's not forced, right, but the forced feeling of nationalism, that doesn't feel good to me. Like the second, that's what I felt right there. I don't like you. That's how I, that's not forced, right? But the forced feeling of nationalism that doesn't feel good to me.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Like the second, that's what I felt right right there. I don't like you. That's how I, that's how I, I thought that was kind of crazy. I was like, oh, whoa, look at this. No, I don't like that, dude. There's a thing with nationalism.

Starting point is 00:11:15 I understand the allure of it, but nationalism's, nationalism's got an ugly side to it as well. And it's the us versus them mentality that can get kind of ugly. And I don't like forcing, I don't like people being forced to do something that just doesn't feel it doesn't feel right to me. But you know, the NFL is a private organization. And I think they got hurt, right? Didn't that hurt their ratings at

Starting point is 00:11:33 whole deal? It did. I don't know where they're at now. It's got to be interesting. Yeah. And so I saw two Trumps like right now, two is kind of like stirring it back up again and kind of like, you know, holding them to kind of take some certain players to highlight them as examples and all this. It's all starting all over again. Oh, God.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Yeah, I wonder if they're just trying to divert attention with the whole male cheerleaders. Cheerleaders have a, male cheerleaders have a long history in college, don't they? Yeah, I mean, they, but that's different though. Aren't they more like, yeah, they're more, I want to say props are like,

Starting point is 00:12:03 they help to kind of like throw, yeah, throw the cheerleaders and stuff is different this is like I know I'm doing the same stuff that's what I'm in there is that how it's going to be so I don't know no NFL cheerleaders don't do that right no they don't will so they still they've had them before like I sit like you know for like stunts I think I don't know how big of it let me ask you guys is how big of a deal or because I know NFL cheaters don't get paid much. I know that, so I've known a few of them. What, how big of a deal is that, are there cheerleaders for football?

Starting point is 00:12:31 Does anybody really give a shit? Or is that a big deal? It's more traditional thing than anything else. I can't eat for the most part. That's what I'm saying. If the cheerleaders disappeared completely, would anybody care? No, they've talked about this before.

Starting point is 00:12:41 No. Yeah, this is, I've definitely read articles on this before, actually. No, they would. There's like. No. Yeah, this is, I've definitely read articles on this before actually. No, they would. There's like, it's more the tradition behind it. Why, why it stayed alive for as long as it has because it's not like you said, it's not it. They don't not make it a ton of them. They make money off of calendars and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Like the amount of money they get paid per game is so little they can sort of get the crowd involved. Most of them use it to counterpolt their whatever else they're going to do, right? They use that to get some sort of whatever else they're gonna do, right? They use that to get some sort of exposure and traction because of the connection. But a lot of people really care though, right? Like they're there to watch football.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Because now we have like, you know, the loud speaker we have the music, like, you know, the crowd involvement is all based off of all that stuff. Like, you know, dee-feat, like, they do all the chance and stuff from the announcer guy. It's funny because I posted that article

Starting point is 00:13:27 about the male cheerleaders being in the NFL and I posted my opinion which is, there's obviously tried to divert, you know, divert attention, I don't think there was a market demand. It feels a lot like it's just a political move. Yeah, I don't think there's any market demand for, but whatever. And so I put my comment and then someone in the forum

Starting point is 00:13:42 posted a comment and said, yeah, and I bet they're gonna get paid more than the female cheerleaders to and I'll like actually Actually, no, there's a much higher demand for female. It's like you know what? There's definitely fields where women make more there yet because there's a higher demand and some of that stuff And then I say well, you know same reason why mail you don't think they're being sarcastic They're probably being sarcastic maybe yeah, I feel like that I have for our forum This is yeah, that sounds like a funny comment, but you know, hey, it's the way I look at it

Starting point is 00:14:15 It's nice for for equality for men. We've been shut out of the cheerleading There he goes. There's a single Final man, final yeah, put us in there. Score one for the boys There he goes. There's a single. And then it fell for so long. Finally, man. Finally, yeah. Put a centaur one for the boys. Shoot, I want, yeah. Put a centaur. Put a single guy, I would be signing up.

Starting point is 00:14:32 You know, I'm gonna give a shit. I'm like, look who I'm hanging out with. You guys can hang out in the locker room, look at each other and like, whatever. I'm hanging out, you know, the cheerleaders. Yeah, as long as I don't know. What about, what do you guys think was going on with Alex Jones right now?

Starting point is 00:14:45 Oh, dude. Yeah. How about that? So Alex, he got pulled off of, let's see here. He's got pulled off YouTube, Spotify, Facebook. The big one was in Apple just made his decision to take his entire podcast off, off completely. Now, he, now Twitter is keeping him on. I said Twitter, he was he was

Starting point is 00:15:06 kicked off Twitter, but no, he's actually still on Twitter, because Twitter said, hey, he hasn't broken any of our rules or policies, and we believe in keeping everybody on. Here's the scary thing for me. Now, first off, for those of you that don't know who Alex Jones is, he's this, he's been dubbed the spirit. Yeah, right wing conspiracy theorist, you know, provocateur and he's definitely said some crazy insane shit. He's also said some funny stuff. He's definitely very anti war.

Starting point is 00:15:40 He calls himself a libertarian, but again, he's that conspiracy theorist type of person. But, you know, I know way he's that conspiracy theorist type of person, but you know I know way worse people that are still on these platforms. I can't like like Why are you threatened like to begin with? I mean it's for me like I just look at that as like it's it's kind of Sometimes he makes like certain points, you know that are that are like makes certain points that are legitimate, but for the most part, it's all just wacky, wacky hilarious stuff. There were other people that were banned right around the same time, so here's the scary

Starting point is 00:16:12 parts for me. First off, Alex Jones has a massive audience, so he's bringing a lot of people... Isn't he the Nash one choir for politics? There you go. The Nash one choir for politics. So everyone's like a real picture in there that that's a real picture of Tom Brady when he looks like right now, but then the captions like great.

Starting point is 00:16:28 Totally like that. And I think it's because like a lot of people take it like really seriously too, you know. And so like some of these platforms are like they just don't like that. Well, he's he's a he has a huge audience. So he brings a lot of eyes to those platforms. Those are all independent private platforms So they'll have a right to kick off whoever they want totally within the rights However what I find fascinating is that these major platforms within hours of each other

Starting point is 00:16:55 Kick them off right? There's these aren't the co-conspirer. That's weird to me. That's a little bit frightening to me because that tells me that there was some They were working together to slide in is Facebook with the government. I mean, let's just speculate that. We don't need to speculate. They're very much, right? The government is very, very involved in these huge platforms. They, you know, have laws saying that they have to be able to spy on people through them.

Starting point is 00:17:20 Very much, look, if you're the government and you're looking at a company like Facebook, okay, let's say you look at Facebook and it's got I don't know how many hundreds of millions of Americans are on there but I know there's over a billion people on earth that are on there and the information that people share on Facebook is very private and it's very too private and very detailed and it's extremely valuable for an organization that's what I'm saying so if you're looking at that like a government, you're, I mean, your jowls are... Oh, you're salivating. You're salivating at this potential power.

Starting point is 00:17:50 I don't know. On a whole nother level, because there's nothing to compare to this up into this point. Never, nothing like this. No, you never were allowed access into people's homes. No, and no surveillance that the government's ever been able to do has ever been able to get this detail. They know what you like.

Starting point is 00:18:04 Remember, anytime you like something on Facebook, it's in what you dislike and what you comment on. It remembers it forever. And it shows, you know, what people do, the preferences, it shows how, and Facebook played a big role in the last election. And that really pissed people off. A lot of people think Facebook is what got,

Starting point is 00:18:22 you know, Donald Trump to win the election. What you did, what you did, what you did, Donald Trump to win the election. Which he did. Which he did. He maximized the fuck out of it, dude. The conundrum for me too, because I know people like want to add regulation because these private organizations are private, but at the same time, it's like where everybody's going

Starting point is 00:18:38 to do research, the search to look for their news, but they literally have an agenda of their own, their own company with their own standards and they've created their own ecosystem that is like, if you have a different stance than that, good luck. Dude, it irritates me because there's definitely an interesting bias is going on.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Recently that we had what's her name, Sarah Gyeong, I think, who's got hired as an editor for the New York Times editor, by the way, not just a contributing author or journalist and actual editor. There's a whole string of tweets that she's done, that she did a while ago that were extremely anti-white, like very, very racist towards white people. I'll read some of them to you

Starting point is 00:19:25 This is her own tweets Hashtag cancel white people white people have stopped breeding you'll all go extinct soon This was my plan all along our white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun That's logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins like very very mean You know, oh, it's sick how much joy I get out of being cool. And who exactly is she? The old white man. What is she? She's now in editor now for the New York Times. And so a lot of people were like, hey, how the, why are you putting this really racist woman? And the New York Times is like, no, we're still going to hire her. Which I find kind of,

Starting point is 00:19:59 there's a little bit of a, of a, of a double standard, you know, Roseanne made a comment. She lost her show and right, we saw, but now this woman is whatever. So there's this conservative, this black conservative woman, Candace Owens, who took all these tweets, and I talked about this in the past episode, took all these exact tweets and changed the word white to black.

Starting point is 00:20:17 That's all she did, same tweets and everything. Twitter shut her down. Oh wow. Yeah, so there's, it's, that she tell people ahead of time, it's still shut her down. So it's that she tell people ahead of time. Oh wow. Yep. Yeah, and it's still shut her down. So it's it's interesting kind of what's what's kind of going on right now. And here's a thing with these platforms. These platforms are not news providers themselves. They are platforms for

Starting point is 00:20:38 news and people. And I think in that the hand selected ones. Yeah, and I feel like you know, if that's what you're doing, then you should kind of be open and free. And let, I mean, I know the private, I understand that, but there's definitely some infiltrations. Well, we've circulated on this shit three years ago on like the dangers of the way we get information and how that's going to accelerate over the next five to 10 years

Starting point is 00:21:01 is the most difficult thing about, so information's becomes so accessible. It's so easy to become an expert overnight and something that you gotta be careful on where you're getting all that biased information all the time. The scariest part is that like you had mentioned or they were all in cahoots together. Yeah, because that's not cool.

Starting point is 00:21:19 Because that means like they all have similar agendas that are all like together and that's scary because you don't have similar agendas that are all like together and that's that's scary because you don't have competing agendas. Now we're now we're just going to get all biased information. Listen, doesn't make sense to me. Here's why it doesn't make sense to me. Let's say you got a guy like like Alex Jones who has hundreds of millions of followers. He's huge. He's massive, right? And let's say your Facebook and One of the other social media platforms cuts them off. You know what's gonna happen to Facebook's page of ox Jones is gonna get more followers So it doesn't make any fucking sense

Starting point is 00:21:56 This is a part that is cool about the time we live in right now is that you can have all these companies getting kuhuts and try and fuck you And try and silence you but it's impossible the time we live now. People, and if you had enough people that were listening to you to where you rose that much attention where someone would want to rip you off that platform, just him simply having a website now. He's probably going to gain more traction in eyes. This next 5.6 million people in 48 hours. There you go. 5.6 million. So you're real desired outcome was the siloist guys. Listen him up. What a stupid way to do it.

Starting point is 00:22:29 5.6 million people went to his site and signed up for a shit in 48 hours following his banning. Pretty crazy, right? But again, the scary part to me is you have all these competing separate private platforms all cancelling him or censoring him within hours of each other, that smells to me like they were directed.

Starting point is 00:22:52 Does it sound like they all worked together? It feels like they all got a letter from someone who's puppeteering. Yeah, like, you know, who knows, the government. Yeah, but that was the case, don't you think that they all would have got one, including Twitter? And then that would get exposed like. Yeah, that was interesting that Twitter didn't find. Right, don't you think that would be, don't you think that would be kind have got one, including Twitter, and then that would get exposed. That's interesting that Twitter didn't fall asleep.

Starting point is 00:23:05 Don't you think that would be, don't you think that would be kind of weird that if that was the case? Or, or who knows? I mean, by the way, this is very Alex Jones. By the way, I know we're going down the rabbit's hole, dude. In the spirit of Alex Jones, I'm gonna make a bunch of conspiracies.

Starting point is 00:23:18 Yes, this is fun. If I own Twitter, if I'm the owner of Twitter or I'm the owner of Facebook, and I get this letter, you know what I'm, I'm probably gonna do? I'm probably gonna say, nope, I'm not gonna do Twitter or I'm the owner of Facebook and I get this letter you know what I'm I'm probably gonna do I'm probably gonna say nope I'm not gonna do what you're telling me and then I'm not gonna say hey I got a letter from the government because that'll definitely get my Astro in jail I'm just gonna say something like we're not canceling because we believe in free speech whatever because it is weird that you had like four of these platforms you know I've got canceled at the same time within hours?

Starting point is 00:23:45 Ron Paul's chief executive officer of his Ron Paul Institute. Ron Paul is another kind of libertarianish but right wing sometimes conspiracy theorist. So it's really strange to me. He's the one that calls out the fed really hard. It's targeting the government. It's really weird.

Starting point is 00:24:00 And at the same time, they're talking about hate speech. Man, there's way more worse hate speech that I've seen on these platforms on what he was saying. I mean, it's so outlandish, like what he says, like I don't know how anybody takes it seriously, like some of the stuff, like, like just some stuff, like he's talking about like vampire,

Starting point is 00:24:18 like goblin, you know, big belly, baby eaters. Yeah. Oh, the globalist, you know, like, he's a fucking character. You know what I mean? Which is why, and I know they've tried to highlight like certain things that he said to like really like tear him down and justify why

Starting point is 00:24:34 he's getting pulled off there. But then at the end of the day, he's in the business of views and that's part of a strategy. You gotta know that. Unless he's just completely off his rocker, I've never hung out with him. So I can't say he's completely out. I think he said, I really think it's a strategy, you gotta know that. Unless he's just completely off his rocker, I've never hung out with him so I can't say,

Starting point is 00:24:45 he's completely out, I think it's fun. I really think it's a good comparison, the national inquirer. He's kind of like running that news department, you know, like the sky is falling, you know, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just sick. Well, the medical world, he represents that to me

Starting point is 00:24:58 that as far as, here's what I think, here's what I think, I think for a long time now, for decades, the old media was being manipulated very strongly by special interests. That could include the government, it could include powerful lobby groups or politicians or political parties, right? And I don't think anybody will disagree with me.

Starting point is 00:25:18 I mean, it's crazy when I put on CNN and Fox and they'll cover the same thing totally different. Completely different. Fuller opposite stances. Yeah, one side is telling a different story, and the other side is telling the opposite story, and they're both being very convincing. And to me, it's very obvious, one is owned by one group, and one is owned by the other group.

Starting point is 00:25:39 Or I can go even further and say what they're trying to do is just make us believe there's only two sides, and those are the only two sides to create. Creating conflicts. It's a great conflict. Yeah, I swear to God. So old media has been... Well, half of this is like we talked about the other day. These are just a bunch of billionaires behind scenes trying to nudge each other.

Starting point is 00:25:57 You know, I was reading Richard Branson's newest book. And he tells a story of his first encounter with Donald Trump in there. And it's actually really crazy. Like and he talks about like he their first encounter was they were meeting for lunch. This was in 2004. And at the lunch, Donald Trump is listing off because he just filed for bankruptcy this time somewhere around that time, right? And he's he's telling Richard Branson how pissed he is at these he made it he asked 10 people for help when he was in this situation and Five of them turned their back on him and he was like venting to him that it was his life's mission to fuck the five of them back Yeah, to get them back and fuck them. Oh, and you know, and then you know 10 years later

Starting point is 00:26:39 This guy decides announced that he's gonna be running for presidency of. Of course. And so he talks about, then he talks about how Trump tried to mend that relationship by sending him letters and he reads the letters on the book and I thought that it's really good, but it's crazy to think like, you know, have to shit that we see, we say here, and we debate over like the policies and o's it fairs it not right when none of that was even taken into consideration. The real move was that, oh, by me, making this piece move right here, I fucked that guy that I've been trying to get. I've been trying to get.

Starting point is 00:27:09 He's attached to Trump on some level, right? Alex Jones, and so I could see just that war between the press, you already made that clear. It's like, we're going to war. With fake news and all this kind of stuff. So I could see it as petty as that. Right, just the catalyst. Yeah, no, old media was owned by a special interest

Starting point is 00:27:29 a long time ago. And you gotta imagine this, if you're the people controlling old media or you have your hands in it, whether it's the government or special interest, and then you had to see this creation called the internet that is now able to deliver information radically democratized,

Starting point is 00:27:46 much, much less expensive, the barriers to enter much, much lower. And now you're seeing people flock, they're leaving old media, you're panicking, you're shitting your pants because you used to own the loudspeaker that pushed the narrative, and now you don't, and you see the internet. And so for a long time, the government's been trying

Starting point is 00:28:03 to reign it in. They've been trying, not many times they've tried to pass bills that will regulate and control the internet. And it's through all kinds of different ways, you know, ways that they're saying, oh, it's for safety or it's for this. Oh, it's to maintain freedom on the internet or whatever.

Starting point is 00:28:18 The reality is they're just trying to get control over it. And now, I think what's happening now is you're seeing these big social media giants have this power. And I think that they're They're getting influenced by some of the stuff so but but good luck perfect time to go to VR and start all over. Yeah, but good Yeah, well the way I look at it is good luck because You know, I've said this before you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube like Alex Jones 5.6 million new

Starting point is 00:28:43 subscribers In the 48 hours. That's what I mean. It's cool that we could say here and be scary time in life, but this is why I think we make it through this time. It's because. It's a good one. Because you can't stop it.

Starting point is 00:28:56 If they could stop it, it would be scarier. If they could silence everybody, and I know there's a lot of alarmists that are out there that are like, the sky is falling. And I'm like, oh my god, what's gonna happen there that are like, you know, the sky is falling right now, like, oh my god, what's gonna happen? But it's like, well, this is what's great. It's because nobody that is,

Starting point is 00:29:09 nobody that is anybody that has like someone like Alex Jones who's got this much attention already, they weren't fucking with him when nobody knew who he was, they start fucking with you when you actually have pool. Right. And once you've got that pool and that, and people are looking to you, to listen to you for whatever reason.

Starting point is 00:29:24 And you can almost do no wrong at that point. Right. At this point, this person, they have a lot of control and power and you can't take that from them. We live in a good time where you can get your information out there via another platform out there. You can just use somebody else and create a platform for your, I mean, we live in that time where you can actually create your own platform that you fully control. It's just, I just don't see it ever being able to you know get silence completely. No, I know I'll try all they want But it looks at look at backfire. Well, it's just interesting to see how much censorship is starting to kind of come to the forefront Like how do we manage?

Starting point is 00:29:58 You know what people talk about and what what are they tweet and what are they post, you know, there just seems to be a lot of effort in that direction. Like limiting people. I have some understand, you know, I understand that. Like, we're seeing things too that like, for example, and I think pornography is an easy example. Like, that's a major challenge that we just didn't have. We didn't think we didn't have 50 years ago, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:20 or less. Like, it's just, and it's like, oh shit, this is like really hurting us as a country. Something that we would have never even seen the possibilities of this, you know what I'm saying? No, I get it. You know, here's the thing. There's a reason why free speech is the first, it's the first amendment, right? There's a reason. It's the most important thing ever is to be able to speak out. And if you ever read about the accounts of tyrannical regimes or when shit really went bad, it starts by first manipulating

Starting point is 00:30:50 speech and then by controlling speech and then they control the narrative. It's always how it starts. And it's a very important thing. And here's a thing with new media. And this is why I love it so much. First off, you can compare directly compare the internet and new media. What I mean by new much. First off, you can compare directly compare

Starting point is 00:31:05 the internet and new media. What I mean by new media is like, YouTube, social media, your ability to, basically get your word out. You can compare that directly to the printing press. And when the printing press was invented at that time, most people didn't have access to books. They were too expensive.

Starting point is 00:31:22 It cost lots of money to buy a book because people had to write them by hand. And so as a result, most people didn't read. And when they wanted information, they got it from the nobles who'd learned how to read and could afford it or from the church who had a lot of power and could disomit the information. Boom, printing press gets invented. Now books are cheap. Now everybody has access to information. One of the first best selling books of all time was Marco Polo's Travels and he talks about how he travels the world and whatever. And that just blew people's fucking minds. And many people believe rightly and I agree that the printing

Starting point is 00:31:55 press is what ushered in the Renaissance and the enlightenment where people started the scientific method. Now we're sharing ideas. But that didn't go down, it didn't go smoothly. Here's the other thing. When people lose power, they don't go down very easily. You had people burning books, people getting executed. You had people like, you know, yeah. Who gave that analogy of this time is like the burning books?

Starting point is 00:32:15 I thought that was really great. Well, I brought, I talked about it with Bishop Aaron. He said that, he agreed. He thinks that's exactly the same analogy. It's almost. Isn't that like the move of like a tyrannical regime that comes in, they wanna like eliminate all of the past knowledge and all of the books

Starting point is 00:32:31 and history and they wanna rewrite it all? You control speech and you control information, you control people, that's 100%. And so that didn't go down very easily. It felt like, oh printing press boom, everybody's got information. You better believe the church fought hard, nobles fought hard.

Starting point is 00:32:46 There was a violence, people were thrown in jail. There was a lot of censorship tried to happen, but it was almost impossible to control because these books spread and it was a new technology and at the time they couldn't regulate it very well. So the internet is doing the same thing and I am 100% believe that they can try controlling it all they want and try censoring it.

Starting point is 00:33:06 Good luck at anchoring it. But I don't think they're going to go down without a fight. And that's what I'm worried about. And so you're getting this war that's going on. Yeah, for sure. Which is a little bit alarming, for sure. It smells like it's escalating a bit, you know, as of late. It is, you know, we're getting told what we can and can't say.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Colleges are, you know, telling, I told what we can and can't say colleges are, you know, telling stuff. I mean, it's very strange to me. It's a very strange, interesting time. It's a little bit frightening to see something that Americans forever had valued so much now is getting questioned. I'm now seeing, hearing people actually say, you know, speech should only be free so long as it's not hate speech. That's a made up thing right now. Yeah. Hey, you know, here, who determines what is hate speech? Yeah. That's completely to the person that defines it as hate speech. That's why when it comes to freedom, there is no a little bit less freedom.

Starting point is 00:33:57 No, it's either you're free or you're not. The only limiting factor should be the other, the liberty of other people. As long as you don't have a friend on that, you should be totally free. Which people would try and argue that you're infringing on those people's feelings. That's their argument right there, right? That's your choice. You choose to feel where the fuck you want.

Starting point is 00:34:14 You can shut me off or not do it. You can't say that, right? That's right. So always protect speech. And here's a thing, by the way, this is an unpopular thing to say, but it's 100% true. The freedom of, the first amendment,

Starting point is 00:34:25 the freedom of speech part of it, was not put in there to protect popular speech. Popular speech needs no protection, ever. It was put in there specifically to protect unpopular speech, specifically, because the founders understood what tyranny was like, and they knew that maybe at one point there would be tyrannical regimes again, founders understood what tyranny was like and they knew that maybe at one point there

Starting point is 00:34:45 would be tyrannical regimes again and it was there to protect that sole voice that's going to speak out and say I mean you know in communist Russia you know what happened if you like protested against the government you were thrown the gulags or you were killed or even if you just said I don't know this, this question, this communism thing, you know? So it's kind of an interesting time, but new media is exciting because it's so decentralized. Like how are you gonna control it? That's what I mean.

Starting point is 00:35:12 It's like even as scary as it is and how weird of a time it is. Like I think that it is, so decentralized that it will never allow it to get full, no one will get full control. No, no. It's too many rogue people that are looking out to make sure that doesn't happen that I think.

Starting point is 00:35:27 And I mean, even what I saw with Bitcoin, this is how I see Bitcoin is like, I think that's a way of like protecting ourselves. Like, you know, whether you believe in it or not, or where it's gonna go as far as hedging in our bets. Yeah, it's like, you know, at one point, we absolutely could. So there's a very good chance that it will go that way. And I think it's, I think it's smart that we have people

Starting point is 00:35:47 that are thinking like that already. And I feel better and safer now than I did. Well, here's the other part of it. A lot of businesses now are building their companies on these platforms. So I personally know people who had pages that were reaching 300,000 impressions a day and overnight, just on Facebook.

Starting point is 00:36:10 Over night, they went from 300,000 to 1000 impressions. What the fuck just happened? That's a lot of power that they have over you. I know guys who were making thousands of dollars a day through their Facebook or social media advertising, then Facebook changes something and they went from thousands to hundreds. Right. overnight.

Starting point is 00:36:31 So if you're a business today, here's my advice. Use all these very powerful platforms, but fucking head your spits, man. And build something that you own because- Well, we talked about this at the very beginning of building this. I mean, that was something that we had foreseen. You know, we didn't foreseen necessarily like what platforms would start kicking people off or whatever, but it's like, I would never want to leave my, our business in the control of some other businesses hands, like the, and rely 100% on it.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Like, absolutely, there's always going to be a risk, right? We have multiple revenue streams, and if all of a sudden YouTube shut down tomorrow, yes, it would affect the business. Also, an iTunes start down tomorrow. I would have picked up absolutely. But there are so many different ones that we've protected ourselves. It's like, okay, that's something that I think a lot of people that are, quote unquote, entrepreneurs right now don't take into consideration. It's so easy to become an entrepreneur, and we talk about the cool benefits of that,

Starting point is 00:37:29 that everybody thinks they can go run out and do it, and then you have these people that are trying to do it through a social media platform, and that's all they put all their eggs in that basket of like trying to build this image on a social media platform, so I can then turn around and convert what, 4% of them into X amount of dollars. It's like that isn't a really sustainable business model. That's always the flaw. I've

Starting point is 00:37:50 always I've always seen in being like very niche. You know, whereas that's that's something that's highlighted a lot with these business coaches and masterminds and things like that is to really find your niche, you know, drive me oh, it be the best at it, which will get you a lot of attention, get you like, you know, some revenue and consistent, but like there's also that fact right there, like what happens if like the market just completely shifts? You know, and like your niche is that one thing now

Starting point is 00:38:19 that doesn't exist. It's like, we know a lot of people that make good money off of billion network of people and then selling t-shirts and They're not fashion designers, you know any more than I am and they what they've done is the same thing that we do for Mind pump which is you buy some shirts at you a wholesale You put your logo and branding on it and make it creative and cool pay a designer make a need and then you branding on it and make it creative and cool pay a designer and make a neat. And then you resell it and it's a 50% markup. And then you have shipping and an in-person to have to handle all that.

Starting point is 00:38:49 It's not. And then you have to think about it like a lot of the people that buy those things, they buy it at a support. So that's how we look at it like advertising, right? So it's most people that buy the shirts, they do it at a support thing. It's not a real business model. That's terrible because I know that I'm not a fashion designer and I know eventually those people that are rocking that out of support in three to five years when they get, you have kids and they forget about mind pump or they're busy, they're not

Starting point is 00:39:11 going to come back and buy the shirt because of the shirt. Plus, what do you do if, let's say you do build a massive Instagram page with lots of interaction and engagement and you build your, your audience off that and your business off, let's say you get half a million good followers on Instagram and you build your audience off that and your business off, let's say you get half a million good followers on Instagram and you build your business based off of Instagram and that's how you Instagram and that's how you get on Instagram. Instagram and that's how you talk to people,

Starting point is 00:39:35 that's how you communicate with people, that's how you reach people, that's how you advertise. And then what happens if Instagram says, we're gonna ban you or we're gonna change an algorithm, now you're not gonna reach more or your count just gets far deleted. I remember that was a popular thing. Yes. When Instagram was first coming up, you had a lot of people that had their shadow pages to protect themselves

Starting point is 00:39:54 because big name people were losing like somebody flags them for just some hater out there. Like all kinds of weird stuff. So what happens then you go from being a fucking baller to zero instantly. Instantly. And it's happened to a lot of people. So my advice is like, use as many platforms as you can and then figure out a way to own your content and own your audience. Well, and really, really, and by own the audience, the way I look at it is like, instead of trying

Starting point is 00:40:21 to think of how I can add a thousand more people, I think about how I can impact 10 more people's lives. Because if you can impact 10 more people's lives, it's far more valuable than getting a thousand people's attention when in the social media world. And they'll follow you. Right. So if you have to switch platform. And they'll end exactly. And they'll end up being your best form of advertisement because you actually fundamentally

Starting point is 00:40:43 help them and change their life. So if you put the energy in and time into that, that's going to pay you long term dividends, getting attention by a thousand or two thousand or five thousand people because you have a cool car or because you look good in, you know, with your booty shots or whatever, that right there is not that valuable. Maybe in the short term because it gets the attention which then potentially can convert at two to four percent, but then like it's not long-term. The people that will follow you from platform to platform,

Starting point is 00:41:13 it's just like being a great trainer. When you are a really, really good trainer, you can move across town and clients will drive. They'll drive a half hour an hour. They'll pay extra money. They'll do whatever because you've built that much value. This business is no different, it's just now in this virtual world,

Starting point is 00:41:27 so you gotta learn to adapt. And I don't think that people are spending the time trying to figure out how do I add value to people's lives because that is really what will grow the business and sustain it over long term because the people will come back and they'll tell other people about it. And think about it, I mean, put yourself

Starting point is 00:41:44 in the shoes of Alex Jones. You've built this empire of followers across several platforms. That's your business. And in the same day, imagine you get that phone in the same day. Oh, shit. I got kicked off a YouTube. Oh, shit. Facebook just kicked me out.

Starting point is 00:42:00 Oh my God. Apple just canceled all of my podcasts. Hey, now let's talk about that. You've got to be sitting there going and he's already at conspiracy theorists. Let's talk about that. Is this the first podcast that's been regulated like that? I don't know if that's a good question. I think probably won that size.

Starting point is 00:42:14 Yeah. Cause he had a lot of episodes on there, a lot of hours. That's an interesting Google. The first podcast ever regulated or first podcast ever. I haven't heard of any podcast. I mean, I've listened to podcasts and like, well, I can't believe you're going away with this shit. That's what kind of cool platform this is.

Starting point is 00:42:30 And so that worries me a little bit. I mean, who owns Facebook is Zuckerberg. Apple is what Tim Cook, right? And then YouTube, who's the head of YouTube? It's Google. Is that Google? Yeah, it's a department of Google. OK, those guys compete with each other, don't they? Yeah. Aren't they competitive a lot in a lot of areas?

Starting point is 00:42:47 Yeah. How the fuck did they all decide to kick one guy off at the same time? Yeah. Don't you think if you're, don't you think one of the like if one of my competitors, if one of my competitors kicked off a guy with tons of followers? It could have looked like this too. It could have been one company leading the way and then putting the pressures on the others to follow suit because by highlighting the negative things that he said which is I'm sure was what they did they probably took you know he talked about that he had been for ever he talked about all that stuff in the shandy cook yeah sandy hook stuff that was really inflammatory right so they took that information they probably took a stand against him and said this is what we're going to do this out this is un unrightide or unfair,

Starting point is 00:43:25 and we won't stand for it on our platform. We think you should follow suit, and they could have easily done that too. That's with an hour. Twitter might have, yeah, it could have went out. It's email, bro, instantly. Yeah, but to make a big decision like that, where you're cutting someone off who's got a hundred million or fifty million followers. Well, maybe it was that click of a decision where someone just had to make, should we follow suit? Facebook is doing it, whoever did it first, right? So and so did it first. There you got some of the old books.

Starting point is 00:43:50 Here's how I would look at it. If I'm Facebook and I'm looking at the other platform that cancel them, I'm like, oh cool, we're gonna get a shit ton more people over here. It's not that you're too much. Yes, it's just weird to me. They're all competitors. It's very fucking weird.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Either A, they all got together and talked about this and coordinated it or b. They all got told to do this. That's weird to me. It's very very strange. It's a little bit, you know, it's a little bit frightening. But again, I mean, I mean good luck, you know, I mean who is it? That was saying this Jordan Peterson. I was listening to him on Joe Rogan, and he was saying how the spoken word is now has as much power as the written word. Because in the past the spoken word had a lot of power, but it didn't have as much power as written word because you had limited bandwidth. So like when you're watching TV

Starting point is 00:44:38 and you're watching the news, or that you're getting interviewed on TV, you'll have to condense discussions and complex statements or whatever, into like eight minutes segments. But what you could do in writing is I could write a whole book. I could write a whole book. I think it referenced it, go back and look back. And the problem, now that was good,

Starting point is 00:44:57 but the negative part of that is not everybody reads books and that everybody likes to hear, right? We like, that's how we communicate before we ever. Well, it's very interesting on that note because like now we have platforms like Netflix, like same thing for novels, like a lot of times you'll get like these epic novels, but you know, you can't fit that on one movie

Starting point is 00:45:16 or like a couple movies either. But you can in like, you can in a really long series. Exactly. You know, so it's really cool that now we have long form content. Yeah, that's what he was saying. He was saying how the spoken word now has the power of written word to where you have, Joe Rogan is the most, I mean, he gets,

Starting point is 00:45:33 I don't know how many millions of downloads a day. He is more than, you know, network TV. He's got more than audience. That's awesome. Yeah, so someone like Joe Rogan, who's his episodes routinely go over two hours, right? He's got episodes of three, four hours. Typically three hours, yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:49 Yeah. That's a, like, old media never, they would have said that would have killed you. And it's because you had limited bandwidth, but you don't with the internet. Right. So now we can go in depth and we can go deep and we can talk about all these complex issues. So now it's, you know, before a politician could say to you, I'm against poverty and I'm for prosperity. Nobody's like, yeah, what the fuck does that mean? Right, let's get into it.

Starting point is 00:46:09 Right, and then imagine too, in the future, it's like you're gonna be able to play their voice back for when they said some shit during a campaign that they now caught your dignity themselves like five years later or 10 years later. But exactly just in a cycle, okay, what do you mean by that? Let's get into some depth. You couldn't do it before, you couldn't have the bandwidth. But now everything, it's, so it's, it's like, okay, what do you mean by that? Let's get into some depth. You couldn't do it before. You couldn't have the bandwidth.

Starting point is 00:46:26 But now everything, so it's really crazy. This is an interesting time. It's like this little war that's going on. I'm happy to be a part of it, because I feel like we're the counter in the fitness industry. That's what makes coming to work every day fun, man. And we knew that taking on the industry.

Starting point is 00:46:42 We knew getting into what we were getting into and we knew it would be a long battle. And it's like, by no means are we winning, you know? But that's what makes it interesting is that like, we're getting traction with it. And we're not even close to winning winning the battle in the fitness space alone. I mean, there's so much misinformation still out there. But I absolutely feel like the tone has changed in the last three. It already has to. In fitness. Oh, yeah. It used to be, I mean, look at, we have guys coming on the show like Stan Efforting that

Starting point is 00:47:10 we have coming up in and like Flex Lewis and you listen to Flex Wheeler and you hear the way they're communicating, they're talking about nutrition and training. So different. So different than just 10, 15 years ago. Yeah, so different. Yeah, than just 10, 15 years ago. Yeah, so different. Yeah, so it's interesting. I know, you know, 10 years ago, it would have been sacrilege to post in a bodybuilding magazine or even on a website.

Starting point is 00:47:34 You know, before and after pictures, this is what they actually do. This is the bull. Nobody would have done that because it would have called everybody out. Right. Now, it's like, it's kind of, everybody knows, like, oh, that's bullshit, you know? We could talk about all the scams, we could talk about the bad information, we could talk about all this stuff,

Starting point is 00:47:50 and it's funny because a lot of that was new. I remember when we first started the podcast and we called things out, people were like blown away. Like, what? That's crazy. Today, it's not that shocking, it's only three years later. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:02 So it's an interesting time, but it is, it is again, it's kind of scary. I mean, we're going against the grain and fitness. It's not that controversial. But let's say we were going against the grain of politics or culture or whatever. I mean, iTunes could shut us down. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:18 iTunes could be like, my pump, dude, whatever. Right. And then we don't agree with this. Yeah. But at this point, that would backfire the same way it did for them with Alex Jones. Now, some people be like, what? What's this podcast? They got, you know, they got canceled from iTunes. They must be saying. Same as shit. So I was like, I remember a number of two live crew. Oh my god. It's like,

Starting point is 00:48:38 I just, I just knew that it was like super scandalous and shocking. And so I was like, I want to hear that. Yeah, I wanna listen to it. It's a strategy, dude. And speaking of which, I heard on the Rogan podcast that there was a bill going through in Congress, it hasn't passed or anything, but they were gonna make saying disparaging remarks against police officers hate speech and they'll make it illegal.

Starting point is 00:48:59 Wow. Yeah, so if you're on social media, and you're like, fuck the police, whatever, so if you're on social media, Oh, great. And you're like, you know, fuck the police, whatever, they could, they could come down onto the lock and come down on you. And nothing like that's past, but the fact that it's not like a militant state at all. Yeah, the fact that that even exists is scary, man.

Starting point is 00:49:15 That's really scary. Yeah, like, like, what's it? Albums like, fuck the police by, you know, Yeah, yeah, NWA or, or what's his name, ICT, and what he's a cop killer body count. Yeah, that would even throw, you would throw in the masses in jail. Yeah, I, I, you can't think that's gonna pass though, right?

Starting point is 00:49:32 Like they just can't pass. Bro, you get enough people behind, You get enough people behind anything, and it's kind of, yeah. Look, when I see, when I see college campuses having days, literally, I can't remember, maybe Doug can look this up. It was a college that literally had a day where white people, white students and white teachers couldn't come to school.

Starting point is 00:49:50 What? Yes. Yes. And a professor came to school because he's like, fuck that, I'm coming. And he got, like, he was getting basically harassed by students. He wanted to identify his white. You know, you had a good point. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:02 Good point. That's a real thing. That actually happened. I can't remember the reason. You gotta prove that. That's that's a real thing. That's a real thing. That actually happened. I can't remember that we got to prove that That's like it can't be that's that's just so wrong. It's fucking crazy to me. Really? That's really I am I'm gonna find a right. Could you could you imagine if we did that with any other race? Yeah Yeah, yeah Oh, is that it right there? This doesn't make any sense. Yep college melts down over plan for white people free day on campus. Which college is that? Wow

Starting point is 00:50:27 Yeah, holy shit Every ever green state Evergreen state college that's not racist at all. Where's the set? Where's that? Washington, Washington Washington. Yep. Yep. How you like that? Wow It's it's kind of weird and and if you stand up and you you're debating particular ideas and stuff you're getting site people are getting silent. All you're doing is shutting down like the huge group of people like nah, we're not listening anymore now. It's going backwards. That's why it's a

Starting point is 00:50:56 lot of work in together anymore. You know, come on. You know what I really like? What was that rap song you showed us? Oh, yeah, I know that was really good. I should share it. Well, I shared well I shared a quote from it, the quote that he- Under Insta Story, I saw it. Yeah, yeah, but I'll share on that. Well, I just shared it. I shared it.

Starting point is 00:51:13 Our private forum is, actually I think everyone's having dialogue around it right now. It's basically, it's a white dude and a black dude sitting across from a table and there starts off with a white dude, rapping and saying like a bunch of, but you find out it's actually the rapper that's his voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's saying terrible.

Starting point is 00:51:33 And he's saying, it's a jointer Lucas. J-O-Y, N-E-R, Lucas. And it's in the song's title, I'm not racist. And the black dude does it back to the white dude, but then at the end, at the end, they kind of come together, but it's very charged.

Starting point is 00:51:45 Very charged, very heated, very powerful. It's like arguments back and forth, and yeah, at the end, it's like this hug it out, too, which is powerful. Yeah, I like that. No, I like this way better than the one that we shared that Gambino did. Yeah. Like Gambino one was cool, artsy, I thought that was neat, but I told you that I am, there's certain things about it that I didn't like. This one, like, fucking love that, dude. I did a great job of playing both sides of

Starting point is 00:52:10 that and it was written really, really well. You know, yours takes you through kind of, if you, the first time you watch it and you don't know where it's going, it takes you through a little bit of an emotional long-clutch. That's, to me, that's really good art. You know, there you go, there's example of, you know, we talk, like he always give you guys shit about rap still today, that's really good art. You know, there you go, there's example of, you know, we talk like he always give you guys shit about rap still today, there's still some powerful messages. That was very well done. That was very, very good. That's really good.

Starting point is 00:52:30 You know, years ago, and trust me, this is all connected, years ago, Cokin Pepsi actually had representatives meet and decide to start the Cola Wars. This was in the 1980s. Yeah, this was the Pepsi Challenge. You remember this in the 80s? I referenced this, I'll tell you that people never get it.

Starting point is 00:52:47 So it's like calls me out on something. I'll take the Pepsi Challenge when I shit. So like, huh? So I don't get it. In the 80s, you had Coke running commercials saying that their Cola was better than Pepsi. You had Pepsi saying that their Cola was better than Coke. And they would just talk shit back and forth

Starting point is 00:53:02 and they'd have, Pepsi did the Pepsi challenge where they'd have people drink two versions without labels on them and then which one you like better and people'd say Pepsi and then Coke did it. And they were bad. I can't select it at all. But what people didn't realize when this was all going on was that Pepsi and Coke were working together

Starting point is 00:53:18 at doing this and it was brilliant because what it did, highlight it. It isolated everybody else. It made us all believe that there is no other drinks on the face of the earth except for Pepsi or Coke. No, that's it. Mill, Quater, it was brilliant. Well, it's the same thing we do in politics.

Starting point is 00:53:32 It took share of it. It took share of it. It took shares from seven up and Shasta and all these other drinks. And everybody thought they only had two choices and I have to choose Pepsi or Coke. And that's, that's, that's the, that's what I that's that's the good And then you Democrats and Republicans to the point where you started to have people become very dogmatic about it I mean, we're like I'm a Pepsi guy. I'm like Where people like like totally identified

Starting point is 00:53:55 Go guy right here first right in the 80s I'm not do you that you didn't notice that when you next time go to the restaurant yep and order say I want a Pepsi or I want a Coke one of of the other, right? And if they don't have it, they'll say, are you okay with it? Yeah, yeah. And what's funny, like, no, I am not okay. No, it's a little bit of a formula. If I like, you know, like, you know, a fraction.

Starting point is 00:54:16 In the 80s, that was a big deal. People get pissed off. Yeah. You don't have Coke, you just have Pepsi that's, whatever. It was a big deal. And it was because people were manipulated through advertising. So brilliant. To pick one manipulated through advertising. So brilliant. To pick one or the other.

Starting point is 00:54:26 So brilliant. And this is the conspiracy theorist for me, is like, you know, people, first of all, we have way more in common than we have different. People tend to get along way more than they don't, otherwise society would crumble. We all kind of want the same thing. And I think what they try to do a lot of times

Starting point is 00:54:43 to manipulate us is divide the fuck out of us. Divide the hell out of us. And so you're guaranteed to pick one or the other because at the end of the day, whether you vote Republican or you vote Democrat, the same sponsors, they have the same specialists just hedging their bets. You know what solves this? Communicating more often with each other and interacting more often with each other and realizing like you guys are just trying to make us fucking hate each other. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I believe we're becoming more savvy to that too. I hope so.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Don't you feel like that? I feel like I think that people are becoming more savvy and are smarter and they're looking at, I mean, that's the positive signs of like, you know, reading that book, I gin, like that was some of the positive signs of this generation coming up and then kind of the devil's advocate I play with you guys the other day, which is, I think they are more well read. They can have access to information faster that when you were a 15 year old kid, if you wanted to figure out the statistics on marriage or something like that, where are you going

Starting point is 00:55:38 to find that? That's not in any of your high school school books. Where would you start doing that? We're kicking Google that search server. I went like, oh shit, you mean to tell me there's a 50 50 shot I'm gonna get divorced I know maybe maybe I should hang on a little bit you know I'm saying like that's just that's there's some positive sides too you know it's interesting but new media I knew it when way back when when Facebook started getting big and I'll comment on their debate people and stuff

Starting point is 00:56:02 I remember saying this a lot to people like, this is going to stir some shit up because this, we have never been in a time like this where this can actually happen in this way. This is going to, it's going to take power away from it. Kind of hitting a climax of it to figure this out. We need to really figure this out. Yeah, so I don't know. It's exciting for me because obviously I'm in the space and I see the new media and I see what it's doing.

Starting point is 00:56:25 It's also a little scary because I can see it feels like, you know, the old powers at B are a little frightened and they're trying to do their own thing, but we'll see what happened. My advice is this, like don't give money to anybody you disagree with. That's how you vote. That gives people power and inform yourself,

Starting point is 00:56:42 educate yourself and always keep an open mind. Like try to be open-minded, try not to have preconceived notions, remove your filter because your filter will change how you view things, and look at objective facts, and then realize that most people are relatively good. And most people we all want the same thing,

Starting point is 00:57:00 we want what's best for our children, we want what's best for us, and we want people to have good lives. Most people are like that. So, once you realize that and you look at things through that lens, I think it makes things a lot easier. Also, if you go to mindpumpfree.com, it's a nice transition. We've got all kinds of free guys.

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