Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 844: Mastering Intuitive Eating, Your Metabolism’s Role in Longevity, Identifying the Source of Stomach Issues & MORE!

Episode Date: August 25, 2018

Organifi Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about intuitive eating, journey or destination, Mark Sisson saying a slow metabolism can aid in longevity, red flags to look for with respect to stomach issues and if someone should go to college to become a personal trainer or just dive in. Skinny Dipped almonds, healthy option, kid approved! (3:59) Does Sal have an actress on his hands? His daughter’s recent recital and YouTube star desires. (7:57) Are you interested in building a YouTube following or creating a vlog? Mind Pump Enzo, the next YouTube star in the making. (10:35) The end of an era…RIP to Sal’s Jetta. The thought process behind what you value when it comes to expensive things. (14:12) Has CrossFit reached its peak? CrossFit Community Reacts to the Mass Firings, Rumors and 2019 Regionals Changes. (24:00) Why deadlifting does not lead itself well to an all-day workout program. (34:00) The Mind Pump Grand Finale! An All-Day Workout planned for the end of their 6 Week Fitness Challenge. (36:22) Adam’s Organifi Protocol to rid himself of colds. (40:00) Why drugs get a bad reputation. (43:57) #Quah question #1 - Intuitive eating, journey or destination? (49:11) #Quah question #2 – What do you guys think of Mark Sisson saying a slow metabolism can aid in longevity? (1:11:45) #Quah question #3 – What red flags to look for with respect to stomach issues? (1:20:55) #Quah question #4 – Should someone go to college to become a personal trainer or just dive in? (1:33:11) Get our newest program, MAPS Split, an expertly programmed and phased muscle building and sculpting program designed to get your body stage ready. This is an advanced program and is not recommended for beginners. Get it at www.mapssplit.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Also check out Thrive Market! Thrive Market makes purchasing organic, non-GMO affordable. With prices up to 50% off retail, Thrive Market blows away most conventional, non-organic foods. PLUS, they offer a NO RISK way to get started which includes: 1. One FREE month’s membership 2. $20 Off your first three purchases of $49 or more (That’s $60 off total!) 3. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more How can you go wrong with this offer? To take advantage of this offer go to www.thrivemarket.com/mindpump You insure your car but do you insure YOU? If you don’t, and you are the primary breadwinner, you will likely leave your loved ones facing hardship and struggle if you die (harsh reality). Perhaps you think life insurance is expensive, but if you are fit and healthy, you can qualify for approved rates that are truly inexpensive and affordable. To find out if you qualify for the best rates in the industry, go get a quote at www.HealthIQ.com/mindpump Would you like to be coached by Sal, Adam & Justin? You can get 30 days of virtual coaching from them for FREE at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Get our newest program, MAPS HIIT, an expertly programmed and phased High Intensity Interval Training program designed to maximize fat burn and improve conditioning. Get it at www.mindpumpmedia.com! Get MAPS Prime, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, the Butt Builder Blueprint, the Sexy Athlete Mod AND KB4A (The MAPS Super Bundle) packaged together at a substantial DISCOUNT at www.mindpumpmedia.com. Make EVERY workout better with MAPS Prime, the only pre-workout you need… it is now available at mindpumpmedia.com Have Sal, Adam & Justin personally train you via video instruction on our YouTube channel, Mind Pump TV. Be sure to Subscribe for updates. Get your Kimera Koffee at www.kimerakoffee.com, code "mindpump" for 10% off! Get Organifi, certified organic greens, protein, probiotics, etc at www.organifi.com Use the code “mindpump” for 20% off. Go to foursigmatic.com/mindpump and use the discount code “mindpump” for 15% off of your first order of health & energy boosting mushroom products. Add to the incredible brain enhancing effect of Kimera Koffee with www.brain.fm/mindpump 10 Free sessions! Music for the brain for incredible focus, sleep and naps! Also includes 20% if you purchase! Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Each week our favorite reviewers are announced on the show and sent Mind Pump T-shirts! Have questions for Mind Pump? Each Monday on Instagram (@mindpumpmedia) look for the QUAH post and input your question there. (Sal, Adam & Justin will answer as many questions as they can)

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The video that's up right now is how to do a fizzle ball crunch. The right way, one of the best ab exercises you could do. Nobody does them right. Nope. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, there's persons asking about intuitive eating. Is it mythical or is it a constantly evolving journey

and find out why Adam loves the term intuitive eating? Yeah, I love it. Little bit of a rant here. Next question was Mark Sisson, one of the leaders in the wellness industry, he's that ripped old dude that talks about primal eating all the time. That's a sound by Ray.

Yeah, he's that ripped old dude. He says that the key to longevity is to have a slow metabolism. We always talk about speeding up the metabolism. Find out why we're right in that part of this episode. Oh man. Someone else, next question mentioned, you know, I had digestive issues for a while and what were some of the red flags that I noticed and what were some of the first steps I took

to resolving those gut issues. This seems to be a growing problem with a lot of people. There's some nuggets, if you wait till the end. Nugget bombs. Oh, Nugget bombs. Nugget bombs in there. The last question was, this person wants to become a personal trainer, wants to know if they should still go to college or if they could go straight into the field

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plus the 50% off maps performance with the code green50 at mindpumpmedia.com. You know, the only downfall of us, of us not being on the mics, like consistently every day, and we have it to do do other stuff is there was stuff that I really wanted Yeah, you know write it down. I do sometimes and then I forgot to yeah I had a bunch of stuff on it talk to you guys because I wrote my stuff down. You did yeah, don't worry I see you're the most organized one of all of us. Go old star South

You know you know something's wrong. Yeah, there's a problem when I'm the most organized You know you know something's wrong. Yeah, there's a problem when I'm the most organized That's a problem organizing a different direction The ship is falling apart. Yeah, that's some shit going on with dude these More snare down these skinny the skinny dip all men's the macros are Beautiful excellent. Oh, you the the small packs. It's like let's what is it six grams of sugar for the whole thing Well, that's what that's what makes it taste like I'm eating candy. I'm salivating because I remember the taste But I'm ready to get back on that. It's just been forever. Bro, it's like the best because I because you know We're doing this whole contest and you know, I brought some home. You guys eat them

I brought some home for the kids because you know the kids it's very difficult to When it with kids it's very very hard to keep them eating healthy because they're just exposed, even though in my house we eat very well, they're exposed to their friends and they're, and I go to pick them up yesterday from school, my daughter, by the way, auditioned for a play. I'll tell you guys about that in a second,

but I show up and they're sitting there with their friends, and I'm not exaggerating, this is for real now. One of their friends has hostess cupcakes, and another one has this rice crispy treat with chocolate in the middle. Another one's drinking a big old thing, a sunny D, calling it orange juice when it's obviously not. And so my kids are looking at me like,

you know, because I'm good. So I had this skinny dipped almonds. I had the chocolate flavor, was it cocoa, I think it's called darkened. Yeah. So good. So I'm like, hey, I got you guys some chocolate. My kids were so happy, but,

oh, it's great, because it's such a healthy option for certain. Yeah, I mean, you want to give them a little bit of a treat every now and then, too. It's like, that's a great one to do, like in opposition to like the hostesses and the cookies and all these types of things that are out there.

They're going to eat anyway, you know, I've got their friends. So yeah, that's one of the things. Well, it's almonds. It's very, very, very little chocolate. And it's dark chocolate. Yep. So talk about a good thing to introduce a treat to a kid or anyone, even yourself. Oh, that's why I had some too, even though we're doing this right now.

I mean, I can eat almonds. It's not, like I said, the sugar's so low in it, but it tastes so good. Right. There's some magic engineering going on over there. Yeah. Well, no, no, good. What they did, which I think is brilliant, is when you, I mean, in the past, I've had, it's not the first time I've had chocolate almonds.

It's not like it's revolutionary or brand new to us. But in the past, always, chocolate almonds are always chocolate with a little chocolate with a tiny little almond and they just they just flip the game on a tent. It's like you don't really need that much chocolate to give it some really good flavor. But it's also like real what is a real chocolate? It's not the the fake candy. That's the thing to us. It's not garbage chocolate. It's a better source of chocolate and then it's just a thin coat. So you get this nice little chocolate cake. Yeah, the small pack is something like,

I saved the macros because I was pretty surprised. Well, when we first got sponsored by them, I didn't know that they had those little packets. And it was when Enzo came in, I was like, dude, where did you get those? He's like, oh yeah, no, if you were online, you can get these. We had all the big ones, which that I still,

those are, I mean, Almonds period can be dangerous. I was telling someone this other day. Well, because they're nuts, right? So they're higher in calories. 230 calories for the package. And a total of seven grams of protein, six grams of sugar, five grams of fiber. Wow. I mean, they're really good. That's not a whole lot. No, they're really, really good macros for a snack. And compared to a package of just plain almonds, it's not a huge difference. It's not gonna kill you. Yeah, coffee ones are my favorite.

You like the coffee ones? Put them in the fridge. I put them in the freezer. So good. So, so good. So anyway, so my daughter yesterday is doing, she goes to do an audition for, what is it? Scarlet's Web?

Oh, Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web is an Al Pacino. It's like, it's like, it's like Scarlet's Web, but Scarlet's Letter. So you's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Web. Scarlet's Letter. So you got that, yeah, good cheese. Yeah, so Scarlet's Web and man, I have a little, I might have a little like actress on my hand. First off, she did that talent show. She did stand-up comedy already.

And in the talent show, all the other kids were either playing the piano or dancing, you know, stuff that they practice all time. My daughter's like, I want to get on stage and I want to tell jokes, which is so awesome. Yeah, it takes a level of guts that I would not have had at her age. Then she comes here because I brought her here to work. Was it two weeks ago with my kids? Mm-hmm. So excited about the cameras. So excited about the lights. She's like, she tells me, but, but let me do a YouTube video. Please, let me be on your YouTube. And I'm like, no, I'm real protective. You know, I'm like, you're not an adult yet.

I don't want you on there. But then she's doing this. And so we're having a conversation. And then she's making videos. I sent you guys one of the videos she made on her phone, right? Where she used the editing software. It was all dramatic in everything.

And she's making these videos. And she's like, when can I have a YouTube channel? And I want to do videos. So what I, when can I have a YouTube channel? And I wanna do videos. So what I'm gonna do is, because part of me's paranoid parent, like I don't want you out there on the web, putting yourself out there, cause there's a lot of creeps and all that stuff. But part of me also understands if you tell a kid,

no, no, no, they're gonna do the exact opposite, at some point, especially when they're teenagers. So I told her, I said, what I'm gonna do is when I come home today, I'm going to, you and I are going to practice and I'm going to teach you how to present yourself on YouTube. I'm going to teach you and we're going to film you and we're going to make different videos and you can think about what you want to teach or talk about and get you really good. That way when you already get on YouTube, you're already going to

be a champion. I did the same thing with my son, like as far as like learning to story board and plan it all out, like way ahead of time, because he's really into the stop motion, but also he wants to be in front of the camera. Hey guys, this is my channel, like subscribe and like.

And he's got that whole thing, like burst to the tee. And I was looking into it, because I think you can make the channel private, and I'm looking into that, but I think you can do that. So if that's the case, I was thinking, it was like just shooting it and like building up a bunch of videos and then we'll kind of decide when to do that.

Oh, you can totally do that. So let it go. And then only people who are invited, you know, people who are invited, you can watch. Yeah, you can leave it. You can totally do that. Yeah, it's a cool kind of segue to that. Well, I think what we're doing, Justin, is we are, we're creating our, we're building employees.

Yeah, like we don't, you know, we can step out one day and have them do all the stuff for us. And speaking of kids building YouTube, so I was asking Inzo the other day. So Inzo, you guys have been watching his vlog, right? Which is, love watching. He's getting better and better. My kids love his vlog by the way.

Oh, love, I told him I said that's a good sign because my kids don't want to watch our videos because they're too, you know, instructional, or too boring. Yeah, they love his vlogs. So I told him I said that's a good sign when you get that age group that likes your shit because that'll make it go.

So I was asking him about it, like, does everybody in your high school do that? Is like a thing, like in high school, like everybody tries to start their own vlog. And he's like, no, it's actually, there's only one other kid in my school that has like a legitimate vlog and he goes and everybody in can so every he's a I forget the name who the somebody famous it's his son you know that he goes to Saratoga high so those that don't know like

ends up goes to a really nice school right it's a little bit to do some high profile tech person or like a athlete some rich some rich parent that has some of their kid and and I guess the rumor at school is that he bought all of his followers because he has no engagement, his vlog sucks. Right so. Bro just keep calling out people. I didn't say anything.

You're not calling it. You just said the high school. Yes. There's only one other guy. Yeah, they're gonna put two together bro. Oh. Rich job. Hey, you're gonna put two to get the bro. Oh, great job. Hey, you know, this is just what I heard. I got my kids, I got my boys back so I'm gonna let you get beat up in so don't worry.

We got you. Uncle Adam will come down to school if I have to. No, so he said that there's only one other kid that really does it and that's the big joke at school is that he's this kid had to buy all his followers. So, Inzo, even where his following is now, I believe he's approaching 300. I think he's at 270 or 280 or something like that. Bro, getting to 1000 is so hard. He's getting there fast.

Oh yeah, no, I mean, when I'm looking at his views, I remember when I first started, I fucked probably 95% of the people listening to this podcast don't even know this, but you can look up the original YouTube channel that I started, which was we love to hate Adam with the number two. And I was documenting my transformation from fat to fit. And I kind of dropped it. And the reason why I dropped it was I didn't feel like it was getting traction. I thought I felt stupid.

Like I was just like, this is lame. This was literally the introduction of YouTube for me and me trying to figure this out. So this motherfucker's got more views on some of his stuff than I had. And nice and all this time that I've been doing this. Yeah, but he knows how to, like he's got the camera. He knows how to edit it.

He knows how to optimize it. No, totally. And he's good. Well, and I haven't done a real shout out on my Instagram forum, but I was gonna tell people that they should watch this. Anybody who's interested in building a YouTube channel or a vlog should absolutely watch this kid because not only is he already talented as it is

for a 17 year old, but he's also got us in his corner. We're helping him out. We're every... But you know, I gotta be honest here, I would not help someone out just cause, they're my friend or just cause, even though I love the kid, love him to death. If he sucked and didn't provide him,

I wouldn't go anywhere. No, I wouldn't promote him, you know what I mean? Cause I wouldn't do him any good and wouldn't do us any good or anybody any good. But he's legit talented, he's legit good. And that's why, you know, I give him a shout out the other day. Was it two days ago, yesterday?

So I definitely think if you're listening to the show and you guys are interested in building a social media platform, I mean, watch this kid go. I mean, we meet him and I meet at least two to three times a week and we discuss this all the time and critique what he's doing and go do ideas. He just added his new little intro that I know Juan Martinez from our forum. Juan hooked them up with that one. That was a cool intro.

Yeah, it's really cool. So it's a good time. Dude, so we are at the end of an era. The end of an era. What? I'm gonna have to retire the Jeddah. Oh, man, don't do it. No more Jeddah jokes. Bro, I'm so mad. We gotta take it much. Not because I love that car because you guys know me. Like when it comes to certain things, I don't care about spending money in that appra,

when it comes to other things, I'm just the cheapest motherfucker in the world. And when it comes to cars, I have this weird like fight. It's so funny that you're that way with this too, because I think, I know I've talked about this on the show. There's a handful of things in our life that you will use as much as a car, a television, and a bed.

And so to go cheap on any of those three things is just absurd to me. You know what it is? To be a cheap ass in that arena, I think it's... I live in that thing. But you know what it is, is that I look at the car like it's just my transportation from two places. I get that.

And that's it. And so, and for me, I would rather take that money and either go on a trip or invest it in something that's going to grow. It's just not something super important to me. And anyway, so it was at the other day, I was working out with me and Jessica got in the garage to work out. It's 5, 30 in the morning or whatever, 6am. And I moved the car out of the garage

and what I do is I park it in front of the garage and then we do our lift. And then after we're done, I go to move the car again. And the key won't even, it turns a little bit that it won't turn. It feels like the steering wheel's locked. But then the steering wheel's moving, so I'm like, fuck, like what is going on?

So angry. So I call my buddy, he comes over, tries to give it a jump. It's not doing anything. Luckily, my other friend is a mechanic. He comes down and he's got one of those testers to test the battery. He's like, no, your battery works good. He goes, I'm gonna have to take this to my shop

to figure out what's going on. So, toad it to his shop and then I get a call. And he's like, yeah, the fucking ignition, call him, thing is broken, this, that and the other. And then we have to take it to the dealership to get it reprogrammed. It's gonna cost like, I don't know, he was gonna hook me up,

but without his discount, it'd been like 2000 or something like that. So, when you know it's time to buy a new car, when it costs more to fix it, then your car is actually worth it. It's worth a little more than that. But it's not worth that much. And I have to, I should buy one anyway.

I've just been putting it off. Yeah. So, some incentive now to look in there. A grown up, come on man. You deserve a grown up car. I deserve whatever I, I deserve what I want. It's not that, it's that. Anyway, you know, I was looking at cars over the weekend

and I'm looking at these really nice cars. You know what, here's the conversation that goes on my head, right? So I look at these really cool cars. I'm like, damn, that looks that goes on my head, right? So I look at these really cool cars. I'm like, damn, that looks like a sick car. Maybe I could drive that around. That's kind of cool. And then I'm thinking, I'm like, why do I want that car?

And I'm like, going through my head, I'm like, well, it's kind of my ego. People see they have a cool car. Do I really want that? Do I really want that kind of a car? So I'm just going back and forth. I think I'm just going to get something nice and pure. What is the nicest car you've ever owned?

That I've ever owned? Yeah. Do you ever buy yourself a really nice car? Yeah, I had an Acura, I had an, uh, uh, what's it called, the TL. Okay, type it. It was a nice car when I'd got it. You buy it pretty used though, or was it used?

No, it was brand new. Okay. So I was brand new. Every car I've ever owned, I paid cash. I don't like making payments or financing. But I don't know, we'll see, I'm gonna get something decent, something more practical. The other thing too is I feel like,

you know, I remember I owned a home when I was married, got divorced, you know, I don't have a house anymore. And so I would rather buy something, like a house first or property first before I get, like a really nice car. So I'm gonna get something decent, something practical, but I don't think I'm gonna go, you know, super nice or whatever, but anyway, you need such a space for these things. I'm going with you, so I'm gonna get something decent, something practical, but I don't think I'm gonna go, you know, super nice or whatever, but anyway, you need such space for this.

I'm going with you, so I'm gonna do my, I'll tell the audience, I'll do my best, did not. I'm gonna come back with like, fuck that ass with you. First thing, I don't know if I can afford it now. Shut up, you deserve it. I'm gonna be with Jason. Get him a challenger, try to make some balls in it. I just want him to get something, fuck, here's the thing like,

again, like, when you have, there's certain things that having like a really like there is one of the things I love about the Denali right is I mean I could I start my car from inside of my house It heats up. It turns to all my temperatures. I want to know what my mind thinks. I think fuck. They put a lot of a gas How much would you say that? I guess I'm sorry. I got my mic I'm yeah, you guys call me an old man. I know, I don't blame you guys. There's definitely certain things about me. It's like I'm a 60 year old dude. Well, I first, for sure when I was in my early 20s,

I was definitely wasteful and I did a lot of stupid things that fed my ego that were not practical. But as I got older, there were certain things I was like, you know what, there's certain things I appreciate climbing into a very nice expensive bed because you know what? You have really nice expensive bed. Fucking is comfortable. Shit. I get the most amazing sleep. We talk about how important sleep is on here. I watch TV. That's one of my favorite pastimes is to veg out, watch a good movie or watch our favorite series. So to experience that with a badass big clear TV is very important to me.

I drive in my car by spend probably 30% of my life in my car driving to and from. I want a great stereo system. I want great handling. I want comfortable space. Spacious. Yeah, all these things all mattered. You have, you find a lot of value.

I don't, I'm not, by the way, when I say for me, you know, I don't see, it's hard for me to spend a lot of money on a car. That's because I don't value it the same way as you are. I don't think what you're doing is stupid. It's, if you value it that much, well yeah, that makes sense. You know what I'm saying? It's just for me, the way I value automobiles isn't,

I appreciate them, by the way. I totally appreciate them. Like, I can get a nice car and be like wow, this is great, but because I don't value them in the same way, I almost feel like it'll be a waste of money because how often you get your car cleaned, when you get a scratch on it, you take care of it, I don't. So I spend $50,000 on a nice car,

you're gonna be like, go wash your goddamn cars now, you don't wash it since you bought them. I'm not gonna, you know what I'm saying? So this is how much I am about this, which I know this just make you cringe, because having an extra vehicle is just even more crazy. I like to have like the Jetta, or the Corolla for me, you know, the car.

Yeah, the car that I just beat the fuck up. You know, whatever if it gets keyed, whatever if it doesn't get washed. So then I have the car that I like to go, here's the thing too, like if we were to go to your house and we were to go to dinner and you were to drive us, don't you feel weird when you have a grown-ass man and you have a couple that has to get in the back of the gym?

You know what I just feel like? So I thought about this. So I thought about this. So here's where my thought process goes with that. I had a client, I've had several clients who I've connected very strongly with because we were very similar in our personality and values and all that stuff. And they were extremely successful.

One of them was a tech like Mogul. I don't want to say his name because people will know who he is, but let's just say he's worked side by side with some of the most famous tech giants with mobs. Yeah, I mean, he's just, the guy's a Mogul, right? And he'd come, and he'd train with me and he drove You know, he drove a Nissan Pathfinder that had a you know 200,000 miles on it trained another dog another guy who was a a surgeon Brilliant brilliant surgeon. He drove a trissel with 150,000 miles on it and for me, you know when I met these guys They were super yeah yeah, super cool

guys. I mean, if you look at their houses, then you could tell, like their homes were just incredible. See, now I can, there's, there's, there's, but then I respected them because I'm like, whoa, like they're so, you would never know. Now there's, there's a thing though, but let me, and when you get to that point, because I've, like you, I've trained lots of millionaires and many of them have this in common. And because I'm not a multi-millionaire, I don't know what it's like to be that wealthy. I try and maintain normalcy. Well, exactly.

And it's because people start to either one judge them or two, you look like you have a bunch of money so then you get hit up all the time. And I know that a lot of them, so I bet you all those guys, because at least all the ones I train, they went through a Lamborghini, a Mercedes phase, and then they transitioned out of it at one point,

because they're older and been around for a long time, and now they're driving the whatever. Well, so the one guy, the tech guy, I talked to him about this, because we became good friends, and I would ask him, I'm like, dude, why are you, like I said, I used to tell him, I'm like, it's so crazy that you drive this car

with 200,000 miles on it, it's so crazy that you drive this car with, you know, 200,000 miles on it, and you're obviously so successful. And he goes, oh, no, he goes, I love cars. He goes, I just don't like new, nice cars. So what did he own? He owned like weird, Volkswagen's and, you know, cars that were kind of, that he really enjoyed that were strange and different. And you would own these cars for fun. He just didn't enjoy the really nice, super expensive, type of flashy type car, and that's just his own personal preference.

And I appreciated that because it's more common. I think a lot of people buy things because they feel like they have to show people, because I can feel that pull. Trust me, after my divorce, a lot of people and my friends and family look at me and think how well a salghena do because divorce is expensive, it crushes people

and it definitely was hard for me. And so there's definitely a part of me that's like, I want people to know that I'm kicking ass, I want people, I can feel that pull, you know what I'm saying? Which also makes me go in the opposite direction and be like, well, I don't really care, I don't really care what people, people think where the fuck they want.

I really don't, that's not my care about. But it's the ass of you what you want. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I'm your term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you guys will see me. You want some nice shit, get some nice shit, man.

Yeah, so you guys will see me spend like a lot of money on like, I'll probably fly some fucking guru from somewhere, hang out with me for a week and teach me. Then you guys will laugh and be like, what the hell are you? I'll spend a lot of money on dinners. I love, you know, I love expensive dinners. No, I get things. I get things.

And I'm also like spending money on friends. So you go out with me. You know I'm the kind of person that tries to offer because it makes me feel really good. You know what I'm saying? Other than that, I don't know. See what happens. No, I get that.

Anyway, speaking of money and success, a lot of news from CrossFit lately, huh? Oh my God, we've been success. We haven't talked in a while. Like, it's shit's been going down. Lay off. Layoffs. Yeah. There was a 30 something at headquarters, which was what, a 40%. They were saying like almost half of the people in Santa Cruz or whatever. Wow. Layed off. Wow. Yeah. What do you guys think is going on? Let's speculate. Because nobody knows, right? Let's do some speculation. Well, I mean, I mean, we things happening. We speculated three years ago, you know, what, uh, what, where, where, what would happen across it? And, you know,

I definitely was one who disagreed that I didn't, I think it was too big to fail. Um, I don't know. I'd like to retract that now. It's, it's the news that's coming out, the direction they're going, like they for sure have peaked. And they've got, they're going to go down for a while right now. That's so the clubs, the front, the call franchises, the affiliate clubs or whatever that have been, you know, they were exploding for a while in the US. Now they're kind of flat. Most of the growth is overzoil. But here's what some of the speculation is. And I read I read an article on on glassman. And he was talking about what was going on or alluding to what's going on. And he they want it seems like what they want to do is take less emphasis on the

games on the games because the games started representing not what CrossFit. Right. To me, that's all that's all back pedal music. You think so? Yeah, it's a back pedal move. Come on, did you been doing this for this long already? You don't you didn't think that this is what I mean, it's just exposed now. It's under the lights and people are seeing it.

They're getting so much heat. And he's been trying to move this direction into a better way of fitness forever. And that's what they coach and teach it behind closed doors or trying to be a better way of working out. Maybe to appeal more to the average person to. Well, of course, that's been the biggest knock on them is that they're not. It's been a sport since day one. It's not a, it's not a good. That's why I think eliminating the games are not eliminating, but reducing focus on the games. The games. That's a mistake. I don't mistake. And now the games weren't making money for a long time. I don't know if you can even know that.

The games were in the red forever. And it's only up until relatively recently that the games started profiting. But the games, if I'm an owner of a CrossFit box, you know that the games, you know, they really, that's why you have the name on your frickin' box. It's like everybody knows about that.

Watches that, I feel like that drove a lot of it. So they take the emphasis off that. What do you think's gonna happen? Because remember all these affiliates at any given moment, they can drop the name. Which is what a lot of them are doing. Yeah, a lot of them are doing that. Like you're Jason Calipa's and guys like that

that made a name for themselves. Well here's the thing too. A lot of people are finding out. It's a shitty business. A lot of people are hard to make money. Yes, they don't make money, dude. They don't make money. They make, if you're good, it makes 80K.

That's the furthest amount of work of owning a facility. Get the fuck out of here. You know how much work goes into that? The average is like 50. That actually is making money. Then the amount that are closing down. Now, where are you getting the numbers that you're quoting, by the way, the 50 to 80?

It's just from the people we've talked to. Oh yeah, no, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, people that are closing down. Now, where are you getting the numbers that you're quoting, by the way, the 50 to 80? It's just from the people we've talked to. Oh yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah, no, people that are, I mean, when you're talking about the rob wolves and the Jason Calipas and the people behind the scenes, all the barbell shrug guys, the barbell, the boys over in Sacramento. Yeah, no, I've discussed numbers with everybody else.

Aside from what I've read too, on where they're at, and then what I know from my experience of running gyms, like they're just gyms in general are not, especially small gyms, like a small, mom pod gym that doesn't have a big brand behind it, is not a really profitable gym. If you, if we're talking about a plan of fitness, a 24-of-finance, a crunch of goals, well, yeah,

these are huge franchises or huge companies that, yeah, those could be profitable, those could be making pulling down, you know, 100k a month and a million a year maybe if so some of the top ones. But a normal gym that, you know, Jane and Susie and Bobo open up, those things are making fucking 50 grand. Maybe if you're like, you're just a trainer. Now you have a facility.

People don't realize that because like we had, we just had Mark Masteroff on the show. By the way, one of my favorite, my favorite my favorite guessable time only because there's that history Yeah, but also the guys he was a great guest great story tell a great story tell a brilliant communicator But you know he's talking about his success and all that stuff in the industry and you know I was a part of and so were you guys but I you know during the hey days of the success of 24 fitness Where these clubs were making a lot of money, but I know what went into them making that much money. I've also owned my own facility, and I was successful.

I was never in the red. I was able to profit and support myself and my family. We know what goes into making money in these facilities. If you're crushing it, if you're just killing it in a crossfit box, you're maybe making, you know, a hundred grand a year and you're working your fucking ass off. You're there. You know, it's a big place. It's hours a day. Yeah, you're seven days a week. And that's if you're mourning it. And then you get to that point and the natural progression that they all think is the next best thing is to open a second one and a third one and fourth one and Mark said in that interview best like nothing is harder

than doing the second club. Club number two in order to do because if you've done a great job and you are one of the few that are making 80 plus in a CrossFit box and you're you and so you're killing it as in comparison to the majority. And you decide I'm gonna get another gem. Well, what it took to make 80 to 100 in that facility was probably all of you and an incredible culture that you built within that facility.

And so when you all of a sudden become divided between two, it's impossible to give each of those 100%. So then you not only have to be a great operator and a great person that can lead a facility, then you have to be able to lead other leaders and duplicate, yeah, delegate and duplicate. Like that's not an easy task. And rarely ever does that same person have that skill set.

All of those skill sets. Here's the advice I give people when they open up a jam and they wanna open a second one. Oh, I always say the same thing. Get to a point where you don't have to work in your gym first. If your gym can succeed and make money and you're not there, then go and try and open one. So in other words, what you don't wanna do

is you don't wanna be in a position where you're working. And this is, by the way, when I say these numbers, I'm not just saying, this is the, you know, this is on the fringes. This is the average. If you're running a gym and you're making profit, not even a lot of money, just profit, you're probably in there on average 10 to 12 hours,

six days a week at least, okay? That's just the average. So if you can remove yourself from that gym and it's still profit, now you can dedicate yourself to opening another gym. And that makes more sense than what I see a lot of guys doing where they're working 10 to 12 hours in the gym, they're making money, and then they try to open another one,

and then they try and train, develop someone to run that other one. That is a very backwards way of doing it. What you should do is train, develop someone to run the one you're in, and prove that you can be out of that one. Prove you can be out of that one, then move, and open up another location,

and see what happens. But, yeah, we'll see what happens, but that's a huge, that was a huge, huge layoff, a huge situation. That's a big deal, dude. It's a very big deal. I'd as turn in. Well, I, what was the, someone, I read a stat, was it on our form, someone posted that, how many, how many shoulder tears or what happened in the games? Did you read that? Oh, pectares. Oh, it's 26. That's what it was. Oh, I think that 2026 pectares in the games. That's fucking crazy. That's more that's, bro, if you compare it to every other sporting event, you

know, football, basketball, pro words. That many injuries in one major event. I mean, that just goes to show you the poor programming, even at the elite level, dude. At the elite level, what are you doing having guys and girls do dips for reps to that depth with that kind of weight? And it's just insane. And if we look at the classic strength punishment.

If you look at the classic strength sports that are, you know, have relative popularity, you have powerlifting, and you have Olympic weightlifting. Now both of which, there are lots of injuries because these guys are maxing out. However, neither one of those sports is a reps to fatigue type of sport.

Could you imagine if powerlifting was a 15 reps to fatigue sport with squats and deadlifts the injury rate would go through right could you imagine if Olympic lifting in the Olympics was rather than do one You're doing as many as you can 20 hours. Maybe you can for time. Yeah, yeah Can you imagine many you can for time you are gonna fucking hurt yourself? You should not this is the biggest mistake that CrossFit ever made. And I can see glassman's rationale here because the guy is absolutely brilliant. If you create a brand that exploded and he capitalized, no one's denying that. The dude is brilliant and his mark will be left on the fitness industry forever for sure changed the fitness industry in a fundamental way.

Whatever happens across the. And many positive ways which we've talked about on the show. I mean, when you talk about getting people back in a dead lifting his name will be in the history books you know up there with Joe gold and mark master off and you know all these other leaders but one of the biggest mistakes that they ever did was reps to fatigue with complex lifts like Olympic lifts that's insane it's ass and I know it's it's it's plain stupid and I'll debate anybody on that you don't do you don't do an exercise that's so technical that is safe when perfect and totally dangerous when it's off by the people thinking of it to me.

It's just like, wow, let's put something, like maybe let's put like a weight vest on, like for instance, let's just put a fucking a lot more weight on you. Let's do like as much weight as possible and see like how many wraps you can get. And then have you do burpees and jump up and down. It's fucking stupid and aimless.

Let's do back extensions to failure. Yeah, and do it all in a sauna. It's funny because I've been doing those all day, I've been, I tried those all day workouts again, I did another one. And the first one we did, Jessica worked out with me. And we're sitting there and we're postulating what the best exercises are, and I'm still formulating what the best approaches with this,

but there's definitely something to it. Anyhow, she says, I want a deadlift for the first workout. You know, this is the first one we did, I want deadlift. And, you know, we went back and forth and we had a little debate over it. And one of the reasons why she wants a deadlift is she wants her deadlift to go up, and she also wants to really focus on her posterior chain in particular, her glutes. And it's a glute

heavy exercise. And I told her, I said, you know, dead lifts do not lend themselves well to fatigue. It just don't. It's not an extra like squats. If you have good stable form, you could squat a lot and you could squat quite repetitively and you could do it over time. And you know, you can get a lot of dead lifts, they really fuck you up. But you know, could squat quite repetitively and you could do it over time and you know you can get a lot of deadlifts They really fuck you up, but you know she she made her case and it's okay. Let's try it out and see what happens And sure enough by the last workout the last workout her back was getting tweaked and it was tweaked for a couple days and that's just Well, there's a reason for that you know that right. Yeah, there's a reason why Deadlifting doesn't lend itself well in comparison to squatting because of think of where how the movement starts and where do you and when you break down

with right yeah the hardest part of a deadlift is the very beginning of the movement is ripping off the floor and if you're fatigued that's where any sort of breakdown so the first six inches of getting that way off the floor the first six inches in the squat is one of the safest times you're decelerating your body can normally hold for can handle four times the load that you can do on the concentric motion on the eccentric. So going down with a load that you may not be able to get up, your body will be able to control that.

And distribute that force a lot more effectively than we do. Well, you can control it safely. And then when you get to the bottom, if you can't get back up, bailing on it is much easier. Right. And now, and, you know, and this, by the way, you're making great points at them, right? But if we really had to sit down and really explain it, where we're coming from is from experience. Because if you really break it down, you're like,

well, squats, you still use a lot of posture or change, there's still a lot of lower back involvement. But why is it so much, and it's not the safest, by the way, why is it so safe to do to all day versus deadlift? It's hard to answer, but the answer comes from experience. I just know, because I've been doing this for so long, that back extensions, good mornings, you know, stiff-legged deadlifts and deadlifts,

probably not good for so many. You want to do it to fatigue. Yeah, probably not good ones to do all day long in that kind of a structure, you know what I'm saying? So anyway, but speaking of those all day workouts, I've been getting tagged, probably, I see people doing them now. 15 time 15 people have message me Of course and I've had anything one two four people who've hit PRs in different lifts all of which they were already strong fit people

So it wasn't like they were beginners and they hit a new part PR like one guy's deadlift He was stuck at like four 75 now the personlift, he was stuck at like 475. Another person's overhead press was stuck at 200 pounds and every single person or all those people have had these PR things. And then I had people message me that I'm not the first person to talk about doing that, obviously I knew that, but they're showing me

who these other people are who've been talking about this thing for a while. So I've been doing more research and There's a lot of science to support, you know that strategy And there's a lot of different approaches to how you can apply it So I'll keep everybody posted on what you know what it looks like and all that well We need to talk about as we approach the end of this competition and the end of this month because we have scheduled an all day Lift together correct. I think so it should be in our yeah I believe that's next Friday competition in the end of this month because we have scheduled an all day lift together, correct?

I think so. It should be in our Yeah, I believe that's next Friday. I think we're seven days out for that. So I do want to I do want to make sure that we communicate where like what exercises you want to do. So I don't fuck myself by training one of those. The day I see. You know, I would say pick whatever you want. I don't know like, okay. So maybe we do different stuff. Yeah, okay, cool. I'd rather that. I'd rather do what I think is best for my body at that time.

Because there's a different approach. The approach I've taken so far is I do these big gross motor movements, and I do relatively low reps. I think high reps will probably just fry me. Yeah. And I'm doing these big gross motor movements to get the most bang for the buck. And really my goal is to get strong rep them.

But there's a lot of other approaches where people are picking body parts. So like, I've been tagged and people say, I rich piana talks about doing a workout with for arms like that and you know, other people saying, oh, you could do that for a body part and bring it up. So another approach would be, you know, pick two or three body parts that you want to focus on and do more of a body builder style all day workout where you might do something like that. You know what I'm saying? I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know. But it sounds interesting to me. Yeah.

No, I've been intrigued since the first time you did it. I think it's fascinating. I think it's going to be really interesting to see how my body responds to it. You know, I'm skeptical. I think that there's, I think that I can get the same type of gains by just increasing my volume over the course of a week, that way too. But I'm definitely down to do it. Sounds, yeah.

It sounds to me like another way to add a cooler, more advanced kind of technique into the arsenal, right? We talked about like PAPS and some other, you know, more advanced techniques that actually work to then, you know, maybe elevate you through to get you to the next platform as far as like, okay, I got a new PR because I'm applying like some extra, you know, techniques and more advanced. If it works, if it feels, if I get the same experience that Sal is getting from it and I'm blown away by it, I already know why it's not popular.

It's not popular because it's just too committed. Yeah, how many people? Not a lot of people are willing to dedicate an entire day. You would be surprised because you're right for the mainstream probably not. But think about Jim Ratzel being. Yes. All I ever needed is another excuse that's fucking live there longer. Bro, as a Jim Ratz, if I heard that this because I thought, oh shit. No, as a bodybuilder type of guy, like 100% if I heard that this, because I thought, oh shit, if I'm out of our one time. No, as a body builder type of guy, like 100%, if I feel the response, see the response, you're getting in, have such posibin.

I would do, I've already done similar type stuff. I mean, I've been in the gym three times in a day, people. Yeah, you told me about that one time, I just went home. Yeah, and a whole week that I had off where I was training like that, where I was going in three times a day,

and I was just kind of breaking the workouts all the way. Now, I feel better now, like you're a little bit sick there. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's because I was supposed to be the lead horse in this whole fucking competition Like I'm supposed to win that I got all I get all the fucking disadvantages here. We've been praying to give you I don't know dude. I feel like him and is fucking with me because I mean last week I have the shoulder you have boils That was a little bit of a step back and I'm like mother fucker, but then I still felt good I'm on pace and then I get hit with this stupid cold man

I'm getting it now and what's really making me mad is that I've got it and I It's hang out too much. It's not keeping me it has to make an out thing for sure I it's not keeping me from my daily work and I even train the other day But I'm a I want to're at the last week right now. Like if there's a time I wanna scale some volume up, it's right now and I'm like, I'm really nervous to do that. Also knowing that I'm also kind of depleted. So I'm in this.

You know what I think Kildi was your sleep because you had a few days there where you came in and you said you're sleep-ishity and it was right after that you got sick. That kills me too. If I'm my sleep is off, then are you doing the, are you doing anything to help you? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, right away, I've kind of like this protocol now, especially ever since we've been sponsored by Organifi, like I take a probiotic, I take the green, and I take the red, and do the Christmas blend. So, and really what happens is I end up, because I end up, when I'm not feeling good like this, I'm low calorie, I'm not getting a lot of nutrients. So I'm worried that I'm not getting enough of vitamins

and minerals that my body was needing at this time, especially in a depleted state, especially when I'm sick. And then I figure if the probiotic thing, if it's something that if my guts at all off because of something that I ate the other day, so that's just kind of a, and I don't even know if it's something that I should be doing or is really helping me or not,

it's just become a protocol that I do, and then I get the Edelberry stuff, Elderberry stuff that, the Zeeck Lawsinger's from what you would call it. Lawsinger. Lawsinger's. What did I say? Lawsinger's.

That's the guy that gives the Lawsinger. Oh my God, I love it. We're gonna add two new words to the library When Adam's one day when Adam's a billionaire. He's gonna hire a guy that's gonna be his Lawson jerk Put it right your mouth. So that's why that's what I'm fucking cloud. I'm cloudy too right because I'm on cough syrup and shit So my my boy's got it. He's got it pretty bad. So last night I give him the Taylor has it It's going around no, I'm going to bed early right now He's got it, he's got it pretty bad. So last night I gave him the... Oh, Taylor has it, he's fighting it. He had it, boom. Coming back strong.

It's going around. No, I'm going to bed early right now, trying to work out. Yes, he got some good sleep. And if I like I kick you. You have a good immune system. I have to give it some rest. Yeah, I gave my son the green juice. And then his poor kid was noses was all stuffy.

And he's 13 years old. So I'm like, all right, I can give him the nasal decongestant. He's never used one of those before. And I knew it would blow him away because he couldn't breathe, you know what I mean? So I'm like, here right, I can give him the nasal decongestent. He's never used one of those before. And I knew it would blow him away because he couldn't breathe, you know what I mean? So I'm like, here, I'm going to squirt this in your nose. I want you to suck it up and, you know, and through your nose. And so he's like, what's he going to do? I'm like, just, you'll see what happens.

It'll be fun. Yeah. So I do it and he's like, uh, tastes so gross. And he's like, coffin. And three minutes later, he looks at me. He's like, I feel like there's a big hole in my nose. I could breathe right. So, yeah.

Right through. He's like, why don't I just use this hole in my nose. I could breathe right. So, right through. He's like, why don't I just use this all day? I said calm down, buddy. I said, use this all the time. You ever use a nasal decongestant to off it? Bro, those are bad. Those are, you can get addicted to those. Bro, I did addicted to those.

I did it one. You start to ramp up how many you're doing. Oh, your sinus is seal like a fucking dolphins mass. That's after a while. Yeah, you're just, you know, you can't even get, nothing goes through because it just, and you're like, you're fucked. So, but I saw it. You know what, I used for, you can't even get, nothing goes through because it just, I mean, you're like, fuck, so, but I saw that. You know what, I use Foyne that's a better natural way to do,

get the same kind of effect, those cocaine. Yeah, that's, yeah, opens the right. A little mama, but that's, you know, that drip, that's the same feeling that you get right there. Yeah, that's the same drip that you get. This drip is what, what you haven't done cocaine. I had not yet Oh, my list. He said not yet

He's all that he's all Saturday Saturday. I actually had this this drug talk with my nephew last night I was talking to him and he came to me for help and nutrition so that we got on this kick about talking about drugs and stuff And I was in a I don't know how I got there, but he's like, I have you and I'm like, I pretty much tried almost everything. I said, I haven't done anything crazy. I haven't fucked with like heroin. I said, there's no reason for me to go that strong of a drug. I said, but I've definitely done opiates.

So, but everything else under the sun. And I said, but what I did was, I waited until I was like in my late 20s. I was a total straight edge. And the reason why I was, and the same reason why he is, like he's totally this way too, is, you know, him and I both have family members very close to us that we've seen battle drug addiction.

Oh, so you were just so opposed. So opposed to it. I was so opposed of drugs because of my experience with my family that I hated it. I was anti-it, anyone who did it was a loser, and it wasn't until I got older and more self-aware and realized that that's my own experience that's causing this judgment on it.

And I had that even that the same attitude towards to his light as marijuana. Isn't that funny how that, if you're around it all the time when you're a kid, you will either become an addict or you're gonna become like that. Yeah, because those are the two people I always meet. No, 100%.

Almost everybody in our families like that, either you're way extreme, one or the other. Either one, you've gone down that path and you've battled with a big time, or two, you're on the other side of it and you're super anti it. And then I got older and I just, you know, I've asked myself,

I've seen enough people that I, that I responsible people that I know that, just, you know, I've asked myself, I've seen enough people that I, that I responsible people that I know that like, oh shit, they've done this, they've done that. And this guy's got his shit together, this girl's got her shit together. Like, okay, and then I felt like, okay, I'm in a place in my life where I feel comfortable that I could try something and I'm not going to fall down this addiction trap. And because that was so afraid of of that, I did. And so him and I were having this talk. He's 22 years old right now and he's started his career and he's making good money now and he's responsible and he's always kind of had that attitude. And I said, you know,

I said, I said, drugs have gotten a really bad rap because people, people end up irresponsible people take them a majority of the time. And I said, you know, that's and I by far don't recommend you doing anything But I said I think that your attitude towards it is been shaped because of your experiences with your family like mine And so I can honestly is the best honestly is the best Yeah, and this is what I was telling them I said, you know, I think it's I think it's also wrong when people say like oh It's this all this so bad and this will kill you and this will do that to you It's like well, no, it's not. There's a reason why so many people do it and they get addicted to it is because there

are certain parts about it that people are like, holy shit. That was fun as fuck or that was amazing. But that's also what leads to them. Oh, I know we went down this path talking about steroids because he's asking me about, you know, well, you know, Uncle, what do you think about, you know, I know that you were like taking a therapeutic dose. Like, could you take a therapeutic dose for the rest of your life? I said, yeah, I do you think about? I know that you were taking a therapeutic dose. Like, could you take a therapeutic dose for the rest of your life? I said, yeah, I mean, technically I could.

I mean, we have stuff. We have people that have been taking it for 30, 40, 50 plus years in a life. And if you have abnormally low test-hosted bone, you could argue that it would be healthier for you to take a therapeutic dose to keep you there. I said, but most people don't need to take it. I said, I needed to take it because I fucked around with steroids when I was younger.

And then now I put myself in this predicament. I said, so, but that's where you gotta be careful because that's how I said all my buddies that I know that computer and a bodybuilding in that world or that consistently take steroids, they all start off with, I'll just take a little bit. And then they see the gains, they see how good they feel. They feel amazing. And then they think a little bit more. And then next year just take a little bit. And then they see the gains, they see how good they feel, they feel amazing, and then they take a little bit more.

And then next year, they take a little bit more. And then before long, they're consistently taking this and then they're starting to take these doses that are extremely high just to get the same feeling and response. They said, they're all these drugs are the same way. So we can compare steroids, to cocaine, to all these things.

So it starts off for everybody as a, oh, it's not so bad, let me try one little thing. And that's where, you know, before you ever even think about experiencing anything like that, you do your homework, you do your research, and then you become aware of that, that that's the path how it goes starts off. It's funny, I had a conversation about drugs with my son,

last year's actually asking me about all kinds of shit. So I told him, he could ask me anything. He was like, okay, well, why did you and mom get divorced? I'm like, oh, here we go. So, you know, we went down that first question. Yeah, and he's like, you know, well, tell me more about sex. And we went down that and then he's like, all right,

well, you know, drugs, like, why do people do them if they're so bad? And so, but I think the best policy to be honest, because he's gonna learn the truth anyway. And what I don't want is to get later on, be like, oh, my dad was bullshit in me, or what I thought was true, isn't true. And let me figure out the truth for myself.

You want him to be as informed as possible so they can make the best decision. And my belief is if somebody's confident, if they feel good about themselves, if they have purpose, then they're more often than not gonna make better decisions for themselves. Oh yeah, that's my point.

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it is more of a nutrition journey that is constantly evolving? There's a unicorn. Do you feel that way or do you see it is more of a nutrition journey that is constantly evolving? There's a lot, the ladder. Yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions around intuitive eating. First off, it's calls partially your fault. It's called intuitive. You know why? You know, you're right. Partially is my fault because we've been taught, people have been taught for so long that you find a diet that works for you. And then that's the one that works for you. Or you count macros. And now we're trying to break free of that.

Now everything's solved for you. The reason why I talk so much about intuitive eating is because real life is different than getting ready for a competition or counting macros or going on a diet to lose weight. The reason why intuitive eating is intuitive is because everything changes all the time. The circumstances of your life change all the time. Everything from your job to the stresses,

your sleep, lack of sleep, your job, your workouts, are you sick, are you not sick, maybe now you have gut issues, maybe now you have some other problems going on. Then on top of that, your body changes all the time. Listen, your diet has to follow it. Your body's in another way of defining flexibility, right? You need flexibility in your life, especially with nutrition. And two to eating is kind of like juggling knives with a blindfold. Just like juggling knives.

Blindfold is almost rampaging. That's what it's all about. No, it is not. Let me explain, I can explain in my analogies. Yeah, sir. The reason why it's like juggling knives with blindfold is because first of all, okay, most people shouldn't be doing it If you bit and if you have been if you've been practicing juggling your whole life and you could do it with your eyes closed Like the fucking people that you see when you go to the circus and they do these things Those people could do that with their eyes closed

It's not a big deal because they've done it so many times with their eyes open. So trying to get into, and I had this exact conversation with my nephew last night, because we were talking about nutrition, he listens to the show, and he keeps using the word intuitive eating because I know he's heard fucking sallys it so much. And he's just like, yeah, I've been intuitive,

I'm like, no, you have no business intuitive eating right now. You don't even know what the fuck your body needs right now. You're not even there yet. You're not even going through the process. You haven't gone through the steps to get there. Now, intuitive eating is a place that we're working towards with knowing that you'll probably never fully reach there,

including ourselves, including myself. At every time I go in a, every time I'm in a new situation right now, like I'm going through, if I were to try to intuitive eat in the current situation I'm in right now I would be fucked and I'll tell you what you are intuitive eating right now. You absolutely are doesn't mean you're into it Evidence doesn't mean you don't count but let me ask you a question, right? How do you know when you're how do you know your calories are right? How do you know? You're eating enough or not eating enough? How do you know you're eating enough to get lean, but not hammer your metabolism?

Intuitive eating is listening to your body. That's all it is. The problem is nobody knows how to listen to, or a lot of people know how to listen to your body. And the reason why it's not a destination that you ever get to is because it's not a destination. It's a process always, always evolving. Step one is learn how to listen to your body and the problem is most people don't know what that is.

I don't know if that's step one. Step one to me is, because once you learn to listen to your body, if you have nothing to reference and know what your body is telling you when you're doing X. That's part of listening to your body. It's not part of it.

Well yeah, I mean, so listen to your body's not step one. Step one is fucking track. Well that's part of it. Well yeah, I mean, so listening to your body's not step one, step one is fucking track. Well, that's part of how you start. Step one is track. You don't even know how to listen to your body until you start paying attention to what you're doing. And then step two is be consistent with whatever it is that you're doing, whatever that is,

whatever your calorie intake, whatever your movement, whatever your training program is, be consistent. Now, let's talk about listening to your body and paying attention to, oh wow, when I have days like this, when I eat this and I have this many calories and I have this many carbs and I have this much fat, I feel this in my workout. I notice this with my sleep.

I notice this with my mood. I notice this with my energy. Oh shit, look at this, I had a day where I did this. And now I feel and notice this and this and this. And you start to make, you cannot make those connections until you first track and figure out. Of course you have to. Oh, I'm just aimless.

Yeah, you need reference points. Or else you're just a fucking guesser. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, that's not, that's the thing you have to, and when you say track, I think people need to understand, there's a lot more than just macros and food that you're tracking. You also should, and I just want to recommend clients do,

is that they keep a journal. You have to keep a journal to, you can't just look at your calories and macros. You also have to connect that to, okay, my energy today was like this. I felt irritable, my digestion was off. I went to the bathroom two times instead of three times.

Terrible sleep, you know, whatever. My skin is off because here's the thing, most people connect food to maybe one, well definitely one thing and sometimes two things. And the first thing that everybody connects food to is how's it taste, that's an easy one. Like, oh, I like that one or I don't like that one. Then it get a little bit more sophisticated,

people will connect it to how their stomach feels immediately after they eat, but it's very generic in the sense that if it makes them, if it really fucks up their stomach, they know everything else they really don't pay attention to. And that's pretty much it. Like, I've worked with people where they'll say things like, oh, you know, I'll say, can you have dairy?

And they'll say, well, it kind of gives me a little bit of gas, but other than that, I can have dairy. Then we'll start tracking, they'll say, can you have dairy? And they'll say, well, it kind of gives me a little bit of gas, but other than that, I can have dairy. Then we'll start tracking, they'll start keeping notes in their journal, and then they'll notice, oh, it's not just bloating, it affects my sleep, and then I break out two days later. I've now made that connection, so I'll say, okay. Now you're understanding that there's a lot more

than just these immediate signs. Well, in a sense, to me, it's more of like, getting faster at problem solving. You know, and so if I'm intuitively going, like approaching nutrition, I've already done those steps, like Adams mentioned, I already have like answers for scenarios and situations, and there's formulas out there, the reference. And so now my, you know, my process going forward, whether whatever you want to call it being flexible or intuitive or whatever, it's understanding that,

like, okay, this variable here, I have this approach and I'm going to apply this approach to that now, or I'm going to move in this direction because now my body's telling me this or whatever. So it's almost like, you can't just get stuck in one method. You need a lot more tools in your toolbox. I also think that if you're going to do this intuitive eating approach, then you have to be okay with the fact that you could go weeks and not see results.

Because I think you have people that are like, hey, I want change. I want to lose 10 pounds, but then I also want to do this intuitive eating that you're talking about. And that's just what you're asking yourself is crazy to me. It's crazy to think that you're going to set a goal of moving your body composition, whether it be building muscle, burning body fat. At the same time, I'm going to teach myself to intuitive eat. That's just crazy to eat.

Let me explain it a little bit more clearly because there's a lot of confusion around intuitive eat. That's just crazy to you. Let me explain it a little bit more clearly because there's a lot of confusion around intuitive eating. There's tons and tons of confusion. That's why we wrote a guide. First off, it's true. Shameless plug. Intuitive, intuitive eating doesn't mean you don't use tools. So what that means is intuitive eating isn't,

like I have all the answers in my mind and I close my eyes and then I know. Yeah, you can trick yourself. I'll give you an example. Okay, if you have a mechanic with 25 years of experience working on cars, and you bring your car to him, and you've got a problem, he's intuitive enough to know which tools he's going to use to figure out what's going on. He's not going to get the tire pressure gauge out when he hears a sign that he knows

has to do with something having to do with the transmission. It doesn't know exactly what it is, but he knows the direction to go and what tools to use. When you get to that point, we understand what to listen to. If I have an issue, I have a problem with my body, or if I want to get leaner, or if I want to build more muscle, I know my inflammation. I have all these tools, and I know which ones I can probably apply to figure things out. It's just, all it is really is just getting better

at feeding yourself what you want. That's all it is. And if you've been, here's the thing. If you've been tracking your food for a very, very long time but you get stuck on, I gotta get my macros, got them my calories, you're gonna have a problem and you're not gonna be very good at it. Now if you did like Adam where he tracked his macros

but he also paid attention to things like, well, it looks like, you've said this several times, Adam. It looks like when I ate the exact same macros, but if I eat more processed food versus all whole natural foods, I feel better, I'm stronger, and I seem to hold a little bit less water. That's intuitive eating.

Intuitive eating is not magic, and it's not not using tools. It's pain attention. It's literally, you have a toolbox in front of you and it which includes everything from keto to paleo to elimination diet to more calories, less calories, carbs, proteins, fats, gluten free, fod map, whatever. You have all these tools in your toolbox.

You know where to look, which ones to apply. And if you wanna get leaner, I'm gonna try these ones because I think I know how my body works. Oh, that's not working. Now I can go in this direction or if I want to build more muscle or if I just want to be healthier. I'll give you a great example. You know, for maybe two years, my diet was largely keto style. Now, I can say totally keto because there are definitely times when I went out of it, but it was largely keto. Now, that was a tool that I had in my toolbox that I used to manage issues with my gut.

And I knew this because I knew how my gut reacted and responded to starches and carbohydrates in particular gluten types of carbohydrates, but also with other types of starches. And so I went keto. Now, was that ideal for muscle building? Well, no, but that was a lower priority because I'm not gonna build muscle if I'm not healthy.

So it's not like I can go for the muscle without I had to go for health, right? So I used that tool and then intuitively, I noticed that when I would go for longer periods without food, my symptoms seemed to get better and then I could introduce carbohydrates a little bit more frequently. And I would experiment with 15 hour fast, 24 hour fast, and then it was, I don't know,

how long ago was seven or eight months? I said, I wonder if I go 48 to 72 hours. And that was just me understanding which tools to use. And guess what? Loan behold, you know, once a month, 72 hour fast for me, about six months in a row, one of the most effective things I could do for my body, and now if you're listening right now, may not work for your body,

and this is where the intuitive part comes in, but I did it for myself, and now I'm at a point where we're doing the six-week contest, and I meet in starches in carbs, I'm not having to do a fast, and my gut health is phenomenal. I wouldn't be in this point, had I not understood which tools to use.

I could have done what a lot of people do, which is where they get stuck in something where I'm like, no, keto is the only thing that works for me. That's all I ever do. That's the only thing I manage in my issues. And now I'm bought into and married to keto and I'm going to do it forever. And what happens when you do something for too long when it stops working for you because your body changes. You start to get, you know, many times I've had people tell me,

you know, oh, I have all these gut issues and or I've had all these skin issues, but you know, this diet worked so great for me six months ago. And it's like, I wanna tell them, like, well, guess what? It's not working for you right now. Well, I'll just change. This is where I remember when we did the guide

and I remember struggling with the name in Tudiveeding because I remember like, you know, this is what I was worried about, was that people would take this and use it as an excuse to follow a diet where they don't have to track or do anything. It's like, oh, and Tudaviti, that's where I want to be. I don't want to be like those weirdos that track their food and weigh and measure. I would never want to be like them. But I would, yeah, intuitive eating, that sounds,

that sounds good to me where I just try and figure out to listen to my body. Most Americans intuitive eat in that way. Yeah. Yeah, they do, that's, I feel like eating this, I feel like eating that, you know. You know, and it, and it's always, it's always a moving target, man.

I mean, I doesn't matter how many times, I mean, I've been juggling knives for 15 years in my life and every time I blindfold myself I get fucking cut dude. I always do and it's been a good way either no, you know every single time I cut yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not really I didn't receive that one I gotta do one per episode Just in your stew got to be on my back You lost me you lost me too. I does it get to get to cut it? Yeah.

Slime myself. And I mean, what happened to me right now, right? So, you know, even all the years that I've tracked, like, I know how fat so affect my body. I know how almost every food that I've ever consumed kind of affects my body because I've tracked so diligently for so long. But yet, I'm in a whole new place right now

than I've ever been. I have never been here hormonally. I've never been here activity-level-wise. I've never been here without, I mean, I haven't been in this place also with no anabolic. You're a different age. Yeah, there's so many different variables that,

and let me tell you, I'm blown away by what I'm having to do in this competition. Well, but the intuitive part is realizing that your body's different, and now you're learning to figure it out. That's the intuitive part that I'm talking about. You're figuring out which screws to tighten. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, you wouldn't, I mean, look, you're doing an amazing job

with a completely different circumstance. The intuitive aspect of it is what's helping you. If you were just like, look, if you're every other Joe Schmo, you know, calorie and macro counter, you know, you be doing right now. What's always work for you, which wouldn't be working for you now. Right. And you'd be like, what the hell's going on? Why is it so mad if my name was Joe Schmo? There's a lot of those.

Isn't a Schmo like a slang word for a guy who gets a smuck? No, no, no, no. Schmo is, I think, dudes that hire prost get a smuck? No, no, no, no, schmo is I think dudes that higher prostitutes No, no, no, no, that's a John. That's a John. I think it's also a schmo a John schmo. I don't Always wanted no like John who gets is who gets a prostitute I don't know what a schmo is. Yeah, maybe I was wrong. Yeah, you know what? I'm excited about the like to to keep on this intuitive thing?

Like I actually, you guys remember New Trino, and you remember that company, like, I honestly think they were the closest I've seen to kind of try and aggregate all these variables. Like they're trying really hard to provide all these tools like, you know, even with genetics, and like you mentioned FODMAPs,, you know, like lots of ways of like, you know, like figuring out your body so specifically on that level. It's like, that's, that's the goal for everybody.

The goal for everybody is to really aggregate as much information as possible so you can, you know, like problem solve. Yeah, let's, let me, let's paint the picture of the average, you know, American, Smooge. Individual. Yeah, what's Smooge? Smooge, an average guy. Hold that thought, an ordinary stupid person. That's what I know.

Oh. No, the average person's not stupid, but the average person, this is their life. They, they're born and every day, and forever, they, most likely, because we're a wealthy country, eat every day, so they have food or meals every day, two to three every day, sometimes more with snacks, and the food that they're given and the food that they eat, some of it's based on what maybe their parents think is healthy, but a lot of it's based on what they will eat and what they won't eat. So if they're little kids, they're right away they're taught, well, if I like the taste of something,

I'm gonna get more of that. And if I don't like the taste of something, I'm gonna get less of that. Then of course, as they get older, and they have more of that autonomy, that's the decision making that they go through with food. It's all about what tastes good and what doesn't taste good. And they've never really, truly felt hunger

because they've had food every single day. And it takes, honest to God, it takes about two or three days before you start to, or long periods of dieting for you to really feel what hunger feels like. And so it's all based off of emotion and cravings and context and it's very difficult for people to intuitively from there because it's like you've had, you know, plugs in your ears and blindfolds

your entire life. And now we're telling you to do all this other stuff. You just don't, you just don't know. Well, let me define what my nephew was, because he kept throwing, he kept using the word in two of them and I was just, well, explain that to me. What do you mean by you're intuitive eating now?

Because you hear it on the podcast and you're doing that now. You know, I said, give me an example in your day that you're now applying this newfound term you're using from Mind Pump. And he said, you know, normally at work what we do is we, you know, the guys, we all go to lunch, you know, pizza my heart's been a staple thing. And I go get two big slices of pizza my heart and a soda.

And I wash it down. That's what I normally would do. He goes, and so I'm trying to intuit a V-light right now. So today what I did, instead of going there, I made a decision to go to Chipotle and I had a chicken salad. I said, now here's the problem with that. Is, because you don't know a baseline,

you didn't track what you've been consistently doing since you, to put you at the weight you're at right now and what your body potentially needs to sustain where you're at right now, you may have just reduced your daily caloric intake from four, five thousand calories down to 1,200 to 1,500 calories by a dramatic drop, by intuitive eating.

And guess what's going to happen? You're going to see weight loss. You're going to lose weight in the next two weeks. And then what's going to happen after you? Because he's got 60, he wants to draw. So after we lose your first 10 to 15 pounds and you start that progress, starts to slow down, where do we go from there? And that's the problem that I have with people thinking

that they're in a place to, that is not a smart intuitive way to eat right there. In fact, you know, he's just trying to, he's what he's doing is he's just trying to make better choices based on his knowledge. Right. And there, and there is where like most people are just not in a place to do this, this way of intuitive,

or what I think most people need more information. That's it. You need think most people need more information. That's it. Yes. You need more, you need more information and you need a baseline. So if you're somebody listening right now and you're about to go on, you know, I'm going to start eating right and you were going to do this intuitive process, but you haven't tracked your base and this, it's, it's sat down, he told me, he's like, you know, I know what you're going to tell me and I really just want you to tell me what to eat. And I said, you can't even tell them right this is what I said I said well

What would you like me? He says well, I just want you to give like I'm already I'm already and we kept sending intuitive eating I made them explain. I'm already eating so you're eating better right so you're eating better choices than what you were eating before But the problem with that is is I'm telling you enough you what you don't know is you don't know how Dramatically you're cutting your calories right now when you don't know how dramatically you're cutting your calories right now when you don't need to. And you guys have heard, we've talked about this on the show, like whenever I take somebody who's in a fat loss client,

the first thing we do is not cut calories. We add food. You know, we get rid of the, so he had 15, you know what I told him, I said, you know, your Chipotle meal should have been a double steak burrito bowl plus a scoop of guacamole on it, because you were just before that eating 2000 calories of pizza milk should have been a double steak burrito bowl plus a scoop of guacamole on it because

you were just before that eating 2,000 calories of pizza and of another 500 calories of soda and now you're replacing that. You can't replace that with a 400 set, 400 calories salad. Like are you kidding me? You're missing out on so many nutrients that your body needs and that dramatic drop of calories. Yeah, way too much. And this is one meal we're discussing. So now he's doing this all day long, you know? So how many other choices are you taking? Oh, so and before you were snacking,

having a bag of chips from, you know, snack till lunchtime. And now you've cut that out. You just decide not to eat. Like, whoa, dude. Like, no, like instead of that, let's have like three hard boiled eggs and maybe some almonds or something. Like, let's, let's replace the bad choices with good choices and keep the calories up. Just give it more nutrient dense foods. We introduce weight training, which you weren't doing consistently before. So now any sort of, any sort of calorie

intake that you're doing that could potentially go as a surplus is going to get allocated over to building muscle, which is internal. And going to help us speed up your metabolism to eventually reverse you back down and bring calories out. Look, there's a great rant. Yeah, it's excellent. There's four stages of learning for anything, including nutrition, but this applies to anything. And the first stage of learning is not knowing what you don't know,

what they call unconscious incompetence. You don't know what you don't know, and that's why you have to track, because you don't have any idea. Most people, they have a particular goal, they want to improve their health, they want to lose weight or they want to build muscle, and they don't know how many calories they're eating every day.

They don't know how many grams of proteins, fats, and carbs are eating every day. They don't know what's grams of proteins, fats, and carbs are eating every day. They don't know what's affecting them how because they've only connected food to taste and maybe some immediate gastroissues. And so they're in a state of unconscious incompetence. Tracking helps to bring you to the next two stages. Then you move to conscious incompetence. Once you start tracking, what ends up happening

is you look at your diet and you go, oh fuck, I don't know all this stuff. Now you know what you don't know. Then you get to conscious competence where you have to pay attention. I have to add this up. I have to get these up. Even on another level,

even going through this sort of elimination carnivore meat process is like, it's so revealing as far as certain foods I was eating all the time that are problematic reintroducing them. So it's like, there's just so many things to constantly learn. You have to be open to going through that process, even when you think you've mastered it, you have to constantly learn.

Right, and then the last stage is the unconscious competence where it becomes less of a conscious thought and more of an understanding of how your body works and where you need to do things and where I need to apply certain tools. And it's definitely a process. That's the intuitive place. That to me is when I define or I think of the word intuitive

and where we're trying, we're all seeking in our nutrition journey, that's where it's at is when you are very aware of what's going on. And if you have not figured your baseline, so if you're listening right now and you are about to get on your kick and you want to lose body fat, the first goal should be to find out what it takes to sustain your body where it's currently at. Get out of the unconscious and competent.

Yes, get out of that. Just become aware of what you're really doing and people think they're aware of they're doing is like, oh, I know what I'm doing. They're like, I know what I'm doing. I'm eating pizza and soda and I'm skipping meals and I'm eating this garbage and I'm not exercising. So I know what I'm doing, Adam. I'm like, no, you don't. No, you don't. You don't know exactly where you're at. You don't know what a high day of movement it is,

what a low day of movement is. You need to figure out at least where you're at and you don't need to make any crazy change it. First, you just need to know where you're at. So then do you have a better idea where to go from there? Next question is from Gary Pratt. What you guys think about Marxist and Sain, a slow metabolism is the key for longevity

and most animals with slower metabolism live longer. I knew, I knew he said this. I knew at what you're talking about. Well, this is a common, this is a common, this is a common understanding. is a common... This is a common... This is a common understanding. And that's because the research, and this is why you got a sometimes look at science, but you also have to apply experience, and that's where you get wisdom. And Marxistism is definitely talking about the science, and the science is relatively

clear, it's not crystal clear, but there's some relative clarity that shows that a slower Metabolism with more of an efficient metabolism and feeding animals less your low calories Extends lifespan and we've we've demonstrated this in a few different animals and a few different creatures and studies and With humans it seems to be true As well now here's where I wonder if those animals would have the same success if there was a 7-11 on every corner that they could access. Yeah.

What do you think? Context matters. Fucking A, it matters. Context matters. And you know what, this is the thing I have with the primal eating and the paleo and talking about. It's, we're not in that time. Yes, we evolved from that.

Yes, there's some great things to pull from that. But guess what, we live in modern times. And we live in a time where 90% of the battle I have with clients is not this. It's the mental discipline to stay away from all the wines and the chocolates and the candies and the drive-thrues and all the treats and the shit that you have. In real life today, you're getting bombarded with all this shit. Like back then, you didn't get bombarded with this stuff. In the context of modern life, in the context of the life that most of you listening,

or probably all of you listening right now, live in a slow metabolism would probably mean that you're gonna be overweight, okay? Because we don't move much throughout the day, even if you do an hour's or easily accessible. Even if you do an hour cardio day, you're not moving much, because your job involved, like you drive your job involved, sitting down,

and then at night you probably sit down to eat and then sit down on the couch or whatever. Even if you do an hour cardio day, you're just not moving that much. Number two, food is everywhere. And it's not just food, it's food that's hyper-palatable. Combinations of flavors, textures, smells, packaging, you know, advertising that makes food hyper-palatable. So you're living

in this world of incredible plenty and of incredible lack of activity, having a slow metabolism in that context for most people as a disaster. Because if you're the average man, and your metabolism is, and you've got this great, long, like he's saying longevity, metabolism where your body's super efficient, because that's what a slow metabolism really is.

It's just an efficient metabolism. If you're a metabolism is super efficient and you're burning 1500 calories a day, well, I guess you're okay if you eat 1500 calories a day, but if you're the average man, that's very difficult to do all the time. So what will end up happening is you're just going to it's like a half meal for me. Yeah, you're going to be overweight. You're probably going to be overweight. Now, here's the thing, we have to weigh these things out. Do the benefits of having a slow metabolism,

the potential longevity benefits, outweigh the risks and dangers of obesity and all the problems of overconsumption. Obviously not. I don't think so. It's obvious, it's obvious by what the statistics show with obesity in our nation. That's, there's your test right there

that it's not a good, it's not good. But we don't have fast enough metabolism in our society because people are constantly over-consuming. That's right. And the other thing too, I want to point out with this whole debate about metabolism, there's another aspect to life that a lot of these health and wellness gurus don't talk about, okay, because Mark, very, very smart dude, looks phenomenal.

I know he's on testosterone replacement therapy, but he still looks phenomenal, whatever. But he's an outlier. Here's the thing that people don't consider, is quality of life, okay? So if you can add five years to your life, but eat a thousand calories a day, first of all, I hate you, but eat a thousand calories a day, first of all, how you gonna feel eating a thousand calories a day?

How's your performance gonna, I know how I feel when I eat a thousand calories a day. I don't wanna do much of anything. Yeah, I know that once a month or once every month. Well eventually the body would adapt and you would feel fine, which is probably where his debate and his argument comes from. But the argument stays,

and we don't even need to make any more of an argument than the point that you made, which is just simply in modern times, like 99.9% of every person that I've ever trained, there's, at one point, they're gonna wanna have a one thing of popcorn when they go to a movie one time, or they're gonna wanna have a glass of wine or two with their wife at dinner every once in a while.

That's the quality of life I'm talking about. Yeah, and that's the argument right there. That's what I'm saying. And a bunch of apes, you know, 10,000 years ago, don't have access to all that. And so in that case, we're there all eating the exact same thing and their options are limited to a handful of foods,

then absolutely it is advantageous for them to have a slower metabolism so they live longer. Right, right. But we're not fucking apes from 10,000 years ago. We've evolved. Well, I'd like to also ask him that. That is for even an even that. I'd also like to ask him then the same question,

or I'd flip this question and I'd say, well, strength training or building lots of muscle probably isn't as advantageous as having a little bit of muscle and have lots of endurance and stamina. And this is because humans evolve probably having a shit ton of stamina endurance. We can out trek almost any animal. And we're really not physically strong if you compare

us to any primate. I mean, a 90 pound orangutan will rip your arms right out of your socket. So we're not super strong at all. But I'll ask him, why do you lift so much weights then? He does. He lifts a lot of weights. Why do you lift so much weights if longevity is key?

Well, you won't quality life. You like having strong muscular body. It feels good and things look good. And so that quality life is really important. And look, every other weekend or every week, excuse me, every the month or every month, I like to go out with my girlfriend, I like to drink, I like to eat certain foods.

And I would, and I would, I want a faster metabolism because it is a fantastic insurance against modern life. You know it is a fantastic insurance against modern life. You know, it's a terrible insurance against modern life, a slow metabolism. I've trained lots of people with slow metabolism. And I could tell them, hey, guess what? You know, Mrs. Johnson, you're, you know, your basal metabolic rate

is 1200 calories a day. That's awesome. You have great longevity. All you gotta do is eat 1200 calories every single day. Yeah, for the rest of your life. Yeah, you know what? It doesn't, it's sorry. You know what,. All you gotta do is eat 12 hundred calories every single day. Yeah, for the rest of your life. Yeah. You know what? It's sorry.

You know what works better? Is it when I tell Mrs. Johnson, look, you're 12 hundred calories a day. You're basal metabolic rate. I want to get your metabolism way faster so that you can live a relatively normal life and enjoy yourself. And it's an insurance against modern world. Now, I think that this statement is a counter statement to the lane Norton's and stuff that pushed the reverse dieting.

Right, really hard, right? So, and I think the answer really lies somewhere in between the two of them. I really don't, I really don't, I think that Mark's idea is one extreme. I think Lane's idea of constantly trying to increase reverse, reverse, and keep getting as high as, as high as you possibly can, could also not be advantageous. You're probably somewhere in the middle. You know where you get a lot of benefits of, so what they're seeing with the benefits of the low, the low calories for long periods of time.

If you did some less stress on the organs and overall, less energy turnover. I'll think about what, and I've brought this up because no one really talks too much about this. I mean, the digestive system is another system, just like every other system in our body. And if it has to work all the time and work hard, you would think that it would get overworked overused and eventually break down and not be as efficient. So not making it have to work so hard a lot

makes sense that it would, it's just like not driving your car at time. If your car's gonna last 20, 30, 40 years, we'll put it in the driveway, drive it once a week. How long do these last prices driving every single day for 100 miles? And with that mentality, I wouldn't lift heavy weights ever. I would just do only mobility, you know. Right, exactly.

And here's the thing, if you want a lot of the wind. If you want a lot of longevity benefits and you want a faster metabolism, the research coming out and fasting is absolutely phenomenal and breakthrough. And a couple or a few well planned, fast, long, fast for health. Yeah, for health, 48, 72 hours or maybe longer if you're experienced and you've got good health, will probably give you the benefits of low calorie all the time type of diet. Maybe even better. I know Dr. Walter Longo recommends like every six months or so to do a long fast.

I've been doing them roughly once a month and I can feel the benefits. But also these intermittent type long fast don't hammer your metabolism like going low calories will all the time. And so I don't know about you, but I would rather every once in a while go for two or three days without food versus just eating 15 or calories every single day to work on my lunges. Much more appealing, much more flexible. Next question is from Tim Imbo. Sal, what were some of your stomach, I digest in symptoms that were red flags to you?

What were some of the first steps you took to resolving? You know, we talk about the gut quite a bit on the show, part of it because I've had gut issues, but also because I think it was an underrepresented topic in the fitness industry. Much more so now, I don't know if you guys agree, I think a lot more people now in our space talk about gut health, but when we first started out, and we brought this up,

there was nobody in the muscle building, fitness type world that talked about this, and I think that was a big problem. Here's a thing with your digestive system. The inside of your body, if you were to stretch out your intestines and all this stuff, it's a massive membrane, it's huge. Your intestines are very long.

If you open it up and stretch it out, there's more surface area on the inside of your body than there is on the outside of your body. Now, the inside of your body is very similar to the outside of your body in the sense that it's the barrier between you and the world. And so what I mean by that is when you eat something, it's not in your body.

It's going through this hole or this tube from your mouth all the way down your stomach, down through the intestines and all the whole process. And it comes out your anus. The only time it becomes a part of your body. It grows water slide. That's the best. That's nice.

The only way it becomes a part of your body is when it goes through, for lack of a better term, this membrane called your gut or your digestive system and then your body assimilates it, whatever. And this is a very intelligent part of your body. Think about it, right? When you eat food, first off, there may be things on it that could be potential toxins, there may be bacteria, there may be viruses, there's proteins, fats, carbohydrates, nutrients, all those nutrients don't get absorbed throughout the whole body. There are particular parts of your body that absorb more of the fat soluble nutrients,

or the water soluble nutrients, or the minerals, or the fats, the proteins, and the carbs. So it's this very intelligent membrane that knows when to take things and when not to take things. Now knowing that, I can safely say that that is one of the most important aspects of your health. More important than the skin on the outside of your body. Imagine if you had open sores that were bleeding all the time on the outside of your body. Imagine what it would be like living life

and how many infections you get and all that stuff. I mean, you're not gonna get a lot of hugs. You're definitely not. So it's a very important part of your body. And now we see with studies that it, a healthy gut contributes to a healthy mental state. And one that's not healthy contributes to things like anxiety and depression.

In fact, there's a new, you know, whole new school of psychiatry that's called nutritional psychiatry where they start treating some of these issues with that. And we've known for, by the way, we've known for decades that fasting seems to have a positive effect on things like anxiety and depression. They've known that for a very, very long time. It was one of the first, I guess, nutritional interventions, you know, hypotheses would do this with people who'd have them fast when they were sick and they'd helping cure a lot of people.

So that all being said, and the reason why I'm saying this, I want people to realize how important it is this is because besides your health, if you want to build muscle or burn body fat, probably the most important aspect of your health is your gut, because what you eat, you can assimilate or not.

And here's what happens when your gut is off, okay? When my gut is off, I lose strength and I don't feel as sharp. I'm not assimilating my food. I'm eating the food and it's just not, I'm just not using it and utilizing it as well as I could. And on top of it, I can't increase my food intake to make up for it, because the more food I eat, the more fucked up I get. And so you're in this shitty, if you ever know, if you've ever met or known anybody

who is having a flare up of colitis or crones, you can see in their face, you know, I feel terrible, my, my, my God's son, he's had crones, you know, for five years and he's battled these flare ups. And you can see in the kid's face when he's having a flare up. It's just pale, dark circles. And there's really nothing you can do to,

are you gonna build muscle and burn body fat in that state? No, you can go on nanobox steroids and you could try and it's gonna be very, very difficult. Some of the first red flags that I saw that I ignored were all of the sudden foods I could eat before I could no longer eat. And the first one that became an issue for me was dairy. So when I was a kid and I wanna say maybe 16 years old,

and for years my goal was just to put on muscle size and gain weight, maybe not even muscle size. I just wanna get heavier. I would drink for breakfast, a gallon of whole milk. That was my breakfast, and I would literally drink half of it before going to school, drink the other half at school. And it was a challenge.

I had to sit there and chug it, and you know, try not to throw up and all that stuff and get those extra calories and All of a sudden I got to the point where it gave me stomach problems it probably took A year of doing that and then I started getting stomach problems So then I heard that lactose intolerance was a common thing so it's oh must be lactose common things. I said, oh, must be lactose, bought the lactose-free milk, you know, the lactade one, and lo and behold, I could digest it again,

kept pushing the gallon of milk every morning. And then, I don't know, another year later, that started fucking me up. And so then I went with way protein powder, and then that was okay for a while. I kept pushing that. And then I got to the point where all dairy, any dairy protein, became an issue, ignored it,

and I went to other sources of protein, about egg protein powders, about beef protein powders. And I just kept going down this path of pushing and not realizing what I was doing to my body and just saying, okay, that doesn't work well, I'm just still gonna live this crazy lifestyle, but just use something else, and I was just ignoring them.

When I finally had to address these issues is when my body finally gave me the middle finger and said, fuck you, it's literally what happened. I think I was 30 years old, and I would go through these cycles of putting on 20 or 30 pounds during these bulks and then it cut for the summer. And I'd get my body weight pretty damn high in the winter, up to 222..30 which if you guys know my frame

That's a lot of weight for me and I'd do this through just slamming myself a food and it was through one of these bulks that all of a sudden I just had Really bad like issues of my stomach had diarrhea really bad and I'd get that on and off and the way I would used to fix it is I'd just throw some eat some KO pectate or some, you know, some peptobizmol and after about two or three days it would start to subside and I get racked back on to what I was doing but it didn't work. I was taking it every day, every day, and it wasn't working and it wasn't working and then I said, okay, I just need to eat healthier.

So let me eliminate the fast food. So I eliminated fast food, wasn't working. Scale started going down. I lost probably close to 15 pounds. My strength dropped by half. Here I am, this guy who identified with being strong, with being fit and understanding health. I understood with fat loss and muscle gain. And I'm losing 15 pounds. I've got these dark circles under my eyes. My family's commenting and like, what the hell is, you know, is everything okay? I'm going to the doctor. The doctor's like, oh, well, you know, here take this anti-diarrhea medication or whatever

because they don't know what the fuck to do. You get tested and they don't find anything. And I couldn't figure out what was going on. And finally, luckily I had, you know, I worked with two wellness experts because they were in my wellness facility. And finally, I went to them one day. And after, by the way, they had been telling me for like the last two years that this would happen to me. And I just ignored them. Finally, I took them aside, swallowed my pride. I'm like, I need your help. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing wrong. I said, I'm eating healthy, or I thought what was healthy.

And so they looked at my diet and the first thing, you know, one of them said was, okay, let's do an elimination diet and let's start with the food intolerance test and figure out where you're at. And I had a dairy intolerance, a peanut intolerance, and egg intolerance, a dairy intolerance, and a gluten intolerance, okay,ian tolerance and the gluten intolerance. Okay, because at this point I was super inflamed.

I had to eliminate all of them. I didn't even know that the chicken breast that I was marinating, the marinade had gluten in it. I had no idea. So I had to eliminate that. I had to eliminate all these different things. That started to help. You were intolerant.

Yeah, that started to help, but I wasn't out of the woods yet. Then I Started doing more research and I started to research Canabinoids and how they affect the gut because I had experience where I went on vacation and had a bunch of lead Yeah, I had a bunch of cannabis with my buddy and my gut was a lot better So I started researching cannabis so then I threw cannabis into it Then I started researching probiotics and I started throwingics. And it took me a year of perfect, perfect everything for me to get to the point where I could start

reintroducing some foods every once in a while, but it was a year of fucking growth. And the other word for growth is fucking challenge and something. Now, you use probiotics, didn't you? I did. And do you still now? Do you still... I do use pro... Intermittently use them? Yeah, and do you still now? Do you still... I do use pro...

Intermentally use them? Yeah, I do. Intermentally use them occasionally. I don't need them like I did before, but I'll throw them in, you know, maybe three or four days a week because I noticed still to this day when I take them, I feel a lot better. And I think Enrusio said that probiotics have an antibiotic effect

on other things. And so I think what I'm doing is I'm keeping maybe certain bad bacteria, whatever, at bay. Whatever I did before definitely affected me till now, to the point where I'm a lot better and everything's a lot better off now, but I just have to pay attention. So do you think that's a smart,

me going through my being sick and having a cold right now, I just imagine my immune system being down and it being a smart strategy for me to take the probiotic because I don't use it every day. I use it intermittently. Typically the other time that I use the probiotic is if I had a meal that I know is gonna compromise,

compromise my gut, I'll just take it with that and then in a situation like this, is that would you say a smart strategy to do that? Absolutely, I think for a lot of people, and by the way, not all probiotics don't affect everyone great. When my gut was fucked for that year, I had to try several probiotics before I found one that worked well for it.

It doesn't enhance like overgrowth if the year you have overgrowth. You know, there was a theory that if you take too much of certain strains that you'll cause too many of other certain strains to overpopulate and at the expense of other ones. So there's a theory with that, but see, Rusio says that none of it survives in your gut anyway. So he says there's some other effect because he's showed me some studies that show that

even if you take dead probiotics, that it has a positive effect on a lot of people, which is kind of fascinating. But in the beginning, you know, it's crazy. When this, when my gut was terrible, I would read about like fermented foods and I'd be like, oh, kombucha. Kombucha's gonna help me. Fuck me up. Couldn't have kombucha.

Interesting. Yeah, so, so, you know, this again goes back to even what we talked about earlier. Your body's constantly changing because now I can have kombucha and it seems to do me really, really well. It's totally off topic, but when you're explaining, basically how everything works with the intestines or anything else, I was watching this documentary

and there's this guy who's actually mining through basically all these septic treatment plants and finding there's more gold in shit than there is in a lot of these like actual you know mining like oring it you know and getting it from mountains. The people are shitting gold. They're shitting gold. This is like the hand silver. Like it's in your clothes. It's, you know, you're consuming it. And he's finding like, they're, it's almost like 20% more gold

than they're getting from mining it. Great. We're gonna start like, you're shit. A gold rush. What? Yeah. That's kind of interesting. Isn't that crazy?

I mean, I didn't even know that we were consuming gold. You're a lot of gold. I know. I know. Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't process it. That's hilarious. Right. That's so funny.

It's bizarre. Anyway, that's totally up to the topic. Yeah, right. The next question is from the Maple Leaf Man. Should I go to college to become a personal trainer or should I go straight into the field? If you just want to be a trainer and you want to be a good and successful personal trainer, get experience. Yeah, I don't think college is going to, a trainer and you want to be a good and successful personal trainer.

Get experience. Yeah, I don't think college is going to, a college will put you in debt. I think it's going to really help you. Yeah, go find somebody that's super, super reputable and intern or, you know, like, I don't know, that would be my strategy. It's the spending of fuck ton of money on college and get that experience. And then, you know, use that money into very specific certifications. Because the barrier to enter into that market

is a certification usually. Well, I would advise different people differently, Harold, and what I mean by that is, I think people, especially the three of us in here, who are personable, outgoing, like I'm a firm believer in focusing on your strengths and doubling down on that. And if it's a weakness of yours,

like that's only 20% of your time should be focused on developing your weaknesses and 80% should be developing your already your strength and turning it into something great. And so if you're somebody who like the school and the sitting in classrooms and learning and educating is just you're already like the not a huge fan, but you're doing it because you think you're supposed

to do it. Like that person I wouldn't advise to go on to college just to go on to college, you'll get your kinesse because I think you can get, you can learn just as much on your own along the way and then you can go focus on the things that you really want to do related to fitness. Now I've also seen some trainers that, and there are these trainers and there's definitely people

in the medical field and PT field that are just not real personable, aren't going to be good in sales, but because they've gone so far in school and they are so educated, they've reached a level in their profession that they'll make really good money doing what they're doing. I know a lot of PT's like this, you know, your physical therapist can make really good fucking money. Well, you have to go to school, be a physical therapist.

There's a high barrier there. Right, so if you are somebody who enjoys school, enjoys learning in that system, then I would push you in that direction because you'll probably continue to excel in there. You'll probably retain a lot. You'll probably get a lot from there and it could take you many other places that maybe not having your degree could up.

But if you're somebody who's already dreading school or considering like, I just don't like doing this. I'm doing it because I think I need to do it. I don't think you need to do it at all. And I think that someone like me, I mean, I think back to, if I would have stayed in college for another three to four years versus my first three to four years,

my first three, 40 years in personal training, I mean, I learned so much of the business and excelled. I mean, I was already into six figures within the first year of being a personal trainer and then going on beyond that And and what I was learning about the business and learning about being a personal trainer and managing and leading like Man, I know way school would have gave me that that that that that education Yeah, I think the one valuable thing that if you have like a good professor and you have good teachers they teach you how to learn and how to critically analyze information.

And I think that that's a skill that not a lot of people have, they'll just take things that sort of face value. And well, this is what it says. And then let's figure it out and let's apply it. But to be able to go through the process of empirical data, how do we get to this point? How do we test this theory? And how do I analyze this and then take subjects

and bring them in? So you can do that and experiment with that as far as in in a gym, like I can have, you know, go through with with my clients and, you know, apply these theories. But what school really helped me with and thinking back when I did a lab and I ran an actual study, that was very valuable to me because I could actually take, you know, scientific approach and analyze it, write it down, you know, see like the discrepancies between, you know, the population, like so many different people had different results.

And what does that mean? And let's analyze this. And I think the critical thinking was really something valuable to me, but as far as the actual job experience and all of that, that's just like I had to do it. Do you think, like, your experience is you're the only one that actually finished his Kenny's degree? Do you think that the four years that you spent there, if you didn't do those four years there at school and get that degree and you took those you didn't do those four years there at school and get that degree,

and you took those four years and you started four years earlier, at the same exact place, you meet me just four years earlier, and you start, do you think you'd be further head today or behind where you're at today? Hmm, I think I would be different. Well, yeah, that is nice. Yeah, but I mean like, yeah, and that's so, that's how that sounds general, but. It's hard to answer that, because it's like, you know, it's hard, I hate it different. Well, dad, I know. Yeah, but I mean like, yeah, and that's the answer.

That sounds general, but. It's hard to answer that, because it's like, you know, it's hard, I hate it when people say, would you change anything? Because you are who you are. Yeah, but I also think that he, he has a unique perspective because he's put enough years in, you know, outside of, you know, formal education,

and he's also has a formal, you and I, I think, I think it's a harder thing for you and I to speculate because I would have been just like, whatever you told me, I would have just been like, yeah, yeah, and I would have applied it. I wouldn't have like challenged it or like critically thought about it and been like, well, I don't know if that's right. Look, you guys are missing, there's a critical piece either missing with this conversation. Like, Justin, have you paid off your college debt yet?

No. Okay, I have just a little bit left. Okay, that's a big fucking part that nobody considers. Yeah, that's a good point. Let's do the math just for a bit of that. That's a big fucking part that nobody considers. That's a good point. Let's do the math just for a second, okay? That's a huge part. A four year degree at a university

to become a personal trainer in a related field is gonna cost you anywhere between 30 to $100,000. And go to something thousand. So depending on you go to a state university or a community college, move your way into a state university or you go to a big, nice private school, even worse, you're going to pay 30 to a hundred thousand dollars for that education for four years. Now, let's take those four years and remember, there is no, no, no degree barrier to become a personal trainer. That's another key component. Physical therapy is different. You have to have a degree.

Personal trainer, there is no barrier. The only barrier is a national certification. So if we took those four years with the current tools and education that you have today, with the internet, with certifications, with podcasts, with whatever, same motivation to learn, so you're still trying to learn, you're not some lazy fucker, whatever.

You take those same four years, you get a job as a trainer, but then you also go out of your way to get certifications and learn things. I argue, I will argue, both motivated individuals, not only will you be better off because you'll probably learn more specific and applicable skills to what you're doing because now you're in the field and you're doing,

and you're learning based on the experience. But you're also making money, you're not in debt. So now four years later, instead of being $50,000 in debt, you're You're a plus You're spinning your wheels. You're actually moving forward. Yeah, and you're learning and you're learning way more And that's why initially I yeah, that was my suggestion and I challenge anybody to show me anything you can learn today for a personal Training related field in college that I can't learn for free right now by going online. That's what I'm saying. I'll concede to that with this, that if you're 100% sure that personal training is what you

want to do and only do for the rest of your life, then either you're 100% right and I can't debate any bit of that. But where I was at when I was, you know, this is probably the same age as this kid that's deciding this right now, you know, you better be damn certain that that's where you go. I mean, because then you're right, you guys are right. But because once you do make that decision,

you do cut off the possibility of being a professional athlete trainer. So working for an NFL team, you're not gonna be a physical therapist, you're not gonna be a doctor, you're not gonna be any of these other things that require these degrees. So if you know I was working towards physical therapy and there was that was the reason why I had to charge time.

So I had I had knocked out two and a half years of JC, almost three years. I was almost finished with my AA and I was moving to San Jose to finish to finish my bachelor's in kinesiology. I wanted to transfer over to San Jose to finish my bachelor's in Kinesiology. I wanted to transfer over to San Jose State. That was the plan. And the hardest decision I had because I was doing 24-of-fitness part-time. And it took off and I fell in love with it. Like I fell in love with it and I was every paycheck.

I was making more money and more money and I was like, fuck, dude, this is really awesome. I love everything about it. And all of a sudden, I lost this drive to go to school and I thought, fuck, dude, this is really awesome. I love everything about it. And I was sitting and I lost this drive to go to school and I thought, fuck, yeah, but recently I saw myself as a personal trainer for the pros, or I thought maybe I'd be a physical therapist potentially, like I wasn't for sure set on what I definitely wanted to do for the rest of my life.

But because I had fallen in love with the training so much, I was like, fuck, I could do this for the rest of my life and actually be really happy if I can make decent income, which I'm already seeing already in the short amount of time that I'm in this. So that's how I made, I made this deal with myself and I said, okay, Adam, you're 20 years old, you're still young. I graduated high school at 17. You did the same thing I did. Yeah, I'm giving myself one year. If you really, if you're, and it was like, there's nobody else around,

this is my own gut check, like, okay, if this is really what it's cracked up to be, I'm gonna pour everything I got into it and give it what I can and fuck school. Everyone's gonna be pissed at me, grandma's mad at me, aunts and uncles mad at me, parents are disappointed at me, everybody's pissed off at the decision I'm gonna make.

Fuck everybody else, I owe this to myself. I'm gonna give myself a year. At that point, I know I'd only be 21 years old, while finishing up as AA. And that's not the end of the world. I could totally go back if I need to. But I'm not gonna fuck around. I'm not gonna kind of try it.

And if I'm kind of doing good, because that's where you get fucked. You're a motivated person. That's where a lot of people, I think they feel like they have to go to school because otherwise they're not motivated to do anything. And this is why I say that school is for some people. But then the end of spending a shit ton of money, and I'll tell you something right now, I'm gonna make a prediction.

First off, here's the reason why today universities haven't already collapsed. Okay, there's two reasons, 100%. I'll debate anybody on this. One is that we're still in the belief that that's the way you become successful. That's already starting to die. And the second one is that they have a monopoly because there are jobs by law that require degrees. And that is a deal between the universities

and the government, okay? That's gonna break down. 20 years from now, education as we know it, is gonna be totally different. It's gonna be destroyed. The way we see it now's gonna break down. 20 years from now, education as we know it, is gonna be totally different. It's gonna be destroyed. The way we see it now, is not gonna exist in 20 years. Why?

The cost is exploding, and the barriers to enter markets are dissolving. As markets explode, as technology allows people to connect, as people now can text the physicians assistant, and talk about their kids, you know, potential infection and showing pictures and get a prescription,

they don't have to go to an internal medicine doctor. They don't have to, you know, spend all that money to that kind of stuff. As things start to change, you're gonna see, because right now, look, if all the barrier, if those barriers started to dissolve right now,

if you didn't need degrees for some of these jobs, and it was just based off of experience and how good you were in ratings, it would go a lot faster. The root's, what's propping it up is, because here's the thing. Regulations. Yeah, if you want to enter into a field,

yeah, you want to enter into a field that doesn't require a degree by employers or by law, like you can learn all that shit and save fucking weight. It's so expensive. Man, I said, you know, right now, general practitioners are becoming scarce. This is in medicine where you have to have a degree and you have to have all these things.

They're becoming scarce because a lot of people going into medical school are looking at it and saying, okay, I'm gonna graduate with 200,000, by the way, $200,000 is not extreme. That's kind of on average. It's almost low. $200,000 with eight years of school, plus two years of residency or whatever.

So 10 years you're in school, you come out, you got $200,000 of debt over your head, and you're gonna be a general practitioner, and you're gonna make what, 120 grand, starting a year maybe. And then you take you 10 years, you took quarter of a million. Dude, in that 10 year period, you worked at fucking Target, and you moved your way up and bought investment properties and invested your money at the end of you 10 years, you took quarter of a million. Dude, in that 10 year period, you worked at fucking Target

and you moved your way up and bought investment properties and invested your money at the end of that 10 years, you probably have a portfolio worth a half a million dollars and then you wanna go back to school, you could pay for yourself. And this is what people are starting to figure. Or target pays like that. Well, I'm just, I'm using a stupid example.

But you get my point, my point is it's becoming that way because it's so expensive and so ridiculous and because Information is almost what's exciting about that too is it'll also breed more specialists like people that really you know Want to hone in on and we'll get better We'll get better practitioners out there as a result right people that want to do the school You know and get like it like very specific in their skill, You know like the general stuff I think is dissolved My favorite is tech because it's hilarious if you go to school and you get a tech related degree

What you learn for the first three years are obsolete, you know You graduate four years six years later. Yeah, the first four to five years of your school Forget it because technology's advanced so fast. You already seeing it with tech companies, they're already starting to poach kids at a college and putting them in these training programs or whatever because it's like, you know, I mean, all it does, here's what you learn our system. You want them in as soon as possible, you know? Yeah, because it's so much growth there. Because if you look at, if you compare, and this is what I hate about the statistic, if

you look at people who have a degree versus people who don't, for sure the category of people have a degree earn more money and are more successful. But that's because you're not controlling for motivation. And what does it say about those people that are disciplined and they're committed? You take a show me, highly, take a test of people that are highly disciplined and committed,

regardless of the degree, and show me that same exact... I would love to see that exact same study. Guaranteed, it crushes it. Yeah, I mean, most entrepreneurs, successful ones. A large, because 80% of them fail. Yeah, so a lot of failures. Are the ones that are fucking committed? A large percentage of them don't have,

like an advanced degree or whatever. And I'm not going, I'm not going, by the way, I'm not saying I'm anti-formal education. I'm just saying, for this question here, you wanna be a personal trainer, because that's the this question here, you wanna be a personal trainer, because that's the question. If you just wanna be a personal trainer, my, what I would say to you is go work in a big box,

go get a bunch of certifications, learn on your own. There's a lot of them that are out there. You can get the check courses, any SM has a shit ton of courses that are amazing. You could learn all the different stretching in correctional exercise certifications that exist. There's Aldoa, FRC, learn all these, kick ass in a big box, give yourself a year and fucking be a bad ass,

become the top trainer in your gym because you're committed and ambitious and you're applying yourself. And then look and see if you can go private and take it from there and watch what happens. And if you do that over a four year period of time, I feel like it'll be in a better position that if you go to school for four years

and then graduate now you're a beginner. Just don't, my advice is just don't flounder around and don't use this advice as excuse not to go to school and then go fuck off because that could be the worst thing you do. And mom and dad, my mom said it didn't have to go to school. That could be the worst thing that you decide to do is not go to school because you're the type of person

that needs structure and needs somewhere to be and needs thing that you decide to do is not go to school because you're the type of person that needs structure and needs somewhere to be and needs to be told what to do because you're not the type of person who is committed to go above and beyond on your own when nobody's telling you to wake up and work that extra day and not take a vacation and grind those out. For all eight work for yourself.

And do the things that other people are doing. If you're not that person, then fuck, yeah, school might be that for you. But for a PT, absolutely, I think we all agree on that. but don't use that as an excuse to go fuck off you give yourself a year because you don't need very much time to figure out if this is for you or not. A year's time there's not very many trainers that I hired that within the first three months I didn't know what I really I know right away like you should go to school but it yeah no totally I could tell you right I mean there was something that went less than

three months I can tell you if you're going to be very successful doing this and so if you're not already making waves within the first three months into that profession then you know you might have been the kid who probably should have stayed in college. That's it. Look if you go to MindPumpFree.com you can take a look at all of our guides and guess what they're all free free. That's why the website's Mind Pump Free. Go check it out. Also, if you're not following us on Instagram, you're missing out. Justin has an amazing page.

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