Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 868: The Truth About the Anabolic Window, Rippetoe's Dislike for Unilateral Training, How Long a Pre-Workout Warmup is Good for & MORE

Episode Date: September 28, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how much value is lost if a workout occurs an hour a...fter doing the mobility work, Rippetoe's TNation article on how unilateral training is pretty much a useless gimmick used by PTs and YouTube fitness people, if there really is an anabolic window and the argument for circuit training. The truth behind your smile. (5:00) How we perceive people based on their looks, success or happiness. (6:20) Has social media escalated the victim mentality? (14:50) You get a share! You get a share! Airbnb asks the SEC to allow them to give their hosts equity in the company in anticipation of their 2019 IPO. (19:05) Instagram co-founders resign in latest Facebook executive exit. (22:25) The “Ad Buddy” and how we seek out the companies that we are interested in. The future is upon us when it comes to internet marketing. (23:45) Adam’s “headache remedy” experiment. (33:40) Our connection to food. New study: Drug Addict-like Withdrawal from Quitting Junk Food. (35:06) Can you get in shape and still drink alcohol? (37:56) Sal’s “hangover remedy” getting real traction. (42:16) The benefits of red light therapy. The NEW Joovv light at MP HQ. (44:15) Slowing down the symptoms of your gut issues. Sal’s PSA to the audience. (48:07) #Quah question #1 - How much value is lost if a workout occurs an hour after doing the mobility work? (51:55) #Quah question #2 – Your thoughts on Rippetoe TNation article on how unilateral training is pretty much a useless gimmick used by PTs and YouTube fitness people? (1:00:53) #Quah question #3 – Is there really an anabolic window? (1:09:58) #Quah question #4 – Can you guys make an argument for circuit training? 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Starting point is 00:01:05 Mind, mind, up, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey guys, hey, in this episode of My Impump, for the first 46 minutes, we have our fun conversation time. We talk about smiles and frowns and the distorted images on social media. Yeah, then we talk about executives leaving Facebook and Instagram. What's going on over there? Everybody's taking off. We talk about Netflix's maniac This a new show Adams promoting here on our on our podcast and how they show advertising is the future of advertising
Starting point is 00:01:43 our podcast and how they show advertising. Is the future of advertising gonna be super manipulative? More than it is now. Yeah, that's kind of creepy. Then we talk about Adam's headache remedy. In fact, Adam, did it work? No. No, that is, dammit. That's spoiler alert.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Three or four times, try it. Did it work? We talk about the study on food with draws and attachment to food. Again, I mentioned four sigsigmatics charcoal lemonade, which I absolutely love. The Magica Vegas formula. We are sponsored by four-sigmatic.
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Starting point is 00:02:59 You're welcome. Then we get to the questions. The first question was, if someone does their mobility drills at home prior to going to the gym, how long does it take before the drills lose their efficacy? In other words, if they do them at home and they drive like an hour to the gym, was it a waste of time?
Starting point is 00:03:15 Next question, Mark Ripito, one of the legends in fitness, just did an article on how unilateral training is pretty much useless. It's a useless gimmick because you get all the strength and stuff you need from compound, both bilateral type movement exercises. I exercise most of what he says. We disagree with you. Not this one. Mark, we haven't read the article though.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Maybe he does talk about a little bit more. But we disagree with you based on this question. Find out why. The next question was, is there really an Annabelle window? If not, how did it come about? Who invented this Annabelle window? Was it the supplement industry? Probably.
Starting point is 00:03:52 And the final question, can we make an argument for circuit training? A lot of times we talk about the negatives of circuit training. What are the positives? Find out in this part of that episode. Also, it is September. We have launched our newest program, Maps Strong. It's flying off the shelves. We're almost out.
Starting point is 00:04:13 We're almost, there's three left. We're almost out. There's almost no more map strong programs available. Map Strong was the program that we created with World Strongest Man competitor, Robert Obers. It is a strong man inspired workout that you could do at any gym. So barbells, dumbbells, squat rack, adjustable bench. And then we have mods in there for people who have actual strong man equipment. Great workout, very intense, very hard, is more advanced. So if you're advanced, it's a great program to check out.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Just go to mapsstrong.com, go check that out. If you want to start off somewhere else, let's say you're not that advanced or you're more interested in bodybuilding or you're more interested in athletic type training, check out our other maps, programs, and bundles at mapsfitinistproducts.com. You know, people can hear you smile over the phone. I hear you smile. They've done studies where they've actually had people yes, whether or not someone was smiling as they were talking on the phone,
Starting point is 00:05:09 and the odds are statistically higher than, you know, random that they can... What's the difference? Yes. Well, that's all connected to the... Hi! That's all connected to the predictive brain. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Yeah, I guess so. When you're talking to somebody and they're talking with excitement and energy and you've talked to thousands of people over your life and they're smiling when they're talking to somebody and they're talking with excitement and energy and you've talked to thousands of people over your life And they're smiling when they're talking that way the brain can picture that and image that right away So that's where that comes from. Yeah, I can see how you smiling right now. I can hear it. Yeah, I could do that Yeah, try and like sound excited with your mouth kind of down. Let's say it's almost impossible. Oh my god No, that sounded like you were kidnapped or something.
Starting point is 00:05:45 You were screaming out of the box. So we just threw in a van. You know, talking to the facial stuff, that reminds me of the... Facials. No, talking about smiling and being able to talk about it. No, how important is it you do that? So your face doesn't shape that way.
Starting point is 00:06:02 There's muscles, there's tons of muscles in your face. And just like any other muscle, it'll atrophy if you don't work it. So if you don't practice smiling all the time, you're gonna look like them fucking grumpy old people, dude. Dude, then frown wrinkles. I've told you, well, no, right, there's truth to that, right? Well, I've told you guys about,
Starting point is 00:06:18 there's fascinating studies on Botox, where people will get Botox on their frown wrinkles. And so what they do is they, they, in Botox, it's a neuro toxin. If you inject it into a muscle, it temporarily paralyzes it, right? So they'll, they'll paralyze the muscles that make them frown. So now people don't frown as much. And you know what they find in the studies? That people are less sad after they do that because they don't frown as much and you know what they find in the studies? That people are less sad after they do that because they don't frown as much. Yeah. Now, but also, but doesn't it lower,
Starting point is 00:06:50 empathy? Yeah. Yes. I think I've memberied in that. Weird, right? You're a happier, but you're a dick. It's weird like taking like antidepressants on some level, right? Maybe, but because there's a feedback loop, right? There's some stuff that happens internally that makes you display how you feel, but then the way you display how you feel also feedback gives feedback to the inside of you. Don't you trip out on how we're getting more and more plastic looking and this.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I was just watching some, who did I see? I think I saw some actress and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:07:26 damn, she still looks hot, she's like 60 something. Oh, on Cindy Crawford. I don't know, dude, some of them just, she's a fox right now. She's starting throwing out gas. Oh yeah, it was definitely her. It was definitely her. It's just because you like, late 60s,
Starting point is 00:07:39 you masturbated to her last week. He's like, that's the first thing that kids are gonna fix lots of tissues. Lots of tissues. I'm like, we're flying. I mean, I have, I's like, that's the first to the kids. I've got a big lot of tissues. Lots of tissues. Reflying. I mean, I did two, but I think I was 15, though. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:07:49 Like I'm pretty sure the last time I jerked off to Cine Crawford, I was 15. The only one that can pull off a mole, and I'm still in. You know what, though, it's, I tell you what, these actresses and actors that get all this work done, when you see them in pictures, they look okay, because it's a real life.
Starting point is 00:08:03 They look totally terrible. Yeah, yeah. It looks creepy. They almost look, it looks fake and creepy and you're seeing more and more everyday people. So it's funny, okay. But you know what though, we're going to this world with Instagram
Starting point is 00:08:15 and social media at the video. That stuff matters more, too. I was having this conversation with Jessica. We were going for a walk to the night and we were talking about just this, you know, we like to, her and I like to have these conversations where we take a topic and we get extreme with it and the topic was like the Strain extreme. Yeah, the strange things that we do to ourselves to change our appearance and we went all the way back to
Starting point is 00:08:36 You know, just to close you where combing your hair, but then we went up all the way up right because that's the beginning of it That's the beginning. I mean at one point we started with that why we put clothes on right right? And so I told her I said said, you know what's funny? I said, if people just walked around naked all the time, I bet you, you would have less instances of people who wanted to get plastic surgery on, let's say their boobs, for example. Like a lot of women will get breast augmentation
Starting point is 00:09:00 because, you know, after having children, they get older, the boobs sag, and they'll say it looks like empty socks or whatever. But the reason why that's such a, one of the reasons I think one of the reasons why we want to change that so much is because we never see old naked ladies all the time. We never see, and so our perception of what's normal
Starting point is 00:09:18 is really comparing to social media and comparing to advertisers and fashion. What do you talk about this all the time with evolution that we were designed to want to procreate? And if all the images that are put out in magazines are these youthful looking women with fake breasts all the time, then it makes sense that we would gravitate towards that. Well, what ends up happening is we end up perceiving
Starting point is 00:09:39 that the world, more of the world looks like that. Like, for example, if you took a fashion model, or you took a model, the proportions and the way they look are so rare, they're so rare in nature that we obviously, we evaluate and we put it on a picture. But if you just look around the people around you, how often do you see someone where you look at them
Starting point is 00:09:57 and go, whoa, that's a fashion, it's rare, it's very, very rare. But because we see it all the time in advertising, in print, and in social media, our brain perceives that to be all the people around us. So now you view yourself as far lower on the totem pole of aesthetics or looks or whatever, or success or happiness,
Starting point is 00:10:19 because you're comparing yourself to these. It's no different's funny. In the 1970s, what year did the first jaws come out? Was like 1978 or something like that? It was in the 70s, right? Yes, 70s. So jaws comes out and public perception of shark attacks went through the roof.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Everybody's got. It was a macisteria. They actually did polls and people thought, and because of that movie, newspapers started reporting on the rare shark attacks. Like, man, got attacked by shark or whatever. And people's perception of shark attacks went through the roof where people thought, oh, 1975, thanks Doug,
Starting point is 00:10:53 where people thought shark attacks were on the rise, when in fact shark attacks have been the same, consistently year over year. It's the same thing when you see like a kidnapping on TV or when you see like violence or whatever. And it's no different. Like you all we're going to see is more and more. That being said though, do you think it would be good or a bad thing? Imagine if we all walked around naked and we just agree that the norm is somebody who's obese and and then that's just how we all are going to evolve and look and be because we have all this access to all this food now.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I think it would skew more towards that direction, but there's always that innate because they have done studies on aesthetics, and they'll do these like these wide studies across different cultures, right? Where they say, okay, what do you consider to be the ideal male shape
Starting point is 00:11:42 or what do you consider to be the ideal female shape or whatever. And there's definitely variances, like some countries, well, it's like 15 to 20 pound difference between one culture which thinks thinner is better and another culture which thinks heavier is better. But there are constants, for example, the hip to waist ratio, and I can't remember
Starting point is 00:12:01 what the number was, there was an actual number that they figured out, but there's a hip to waste ratio. 36, 24, 36. Maybe this is that sir, makes a lot of sense. Yes sir, it was. Baby's got back. But there's a hip to waste ratio that we consider aesthetic regardless of the size of a person.
Starting point is 00:12:17 And they've connected that to success in child birth. So if you have this hip to waste ratio, the odds that you'll have successful childbirth are much higher. So I think there's those innate things, but I also think we're so skewed in the opposite direction to where, if you just saw a fit and healthy,
Starting point is 00:12:34 non-modified, you know, 40-year-old, average 40-year-old, or 50-year-old walk around naked, they still wouldn't look anything like the perfect airbrushed, you know, stuff that we see and social media advertising. And I mean, so I think you're, I think it would skew it more that direction at them, but I don't think it would be a long time for people to get used to seeing balls. It's my point.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Yes, that a pretty thing. I don't think that this is going to sell anybody. Yeah, you might always be buying on this idea. You might get some more ball tucks. Yeah, what do you say, all tucks? The toothpaste is already out of the tube, dude. It's like, there's too late. We can't go back to it.
Starting point is 00:13:08 No, it's just high best shit. Bro, these kids, I'm just trying to slow it down a little bit. I think it's becoming so crazy that that's your image on social media and all that shit matters even more than your, you know, person to person interaction or in real life. Like I think people spend more time with the image that they put out there on the internet or on video or TV that that becomes more of a priority.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Yeah, it's weird. I look at Instagram, it's just, it really is just like this advertisement. It's like an advertisement of your best self. Like here's sort of a snippet. Here's my business card of myself at my best and it's always that way. Like people, I mean, it I mean, it's human nature.
Starting point is 00:13:45 You want to show people what's cool that you're doing or how good you're looking, angu-wise with the best lighting, whatever. But it's just projecting that. I just look at it as that. People just showing themselves, they're just trying to be like, okay, this is when I was looking good. Well, dude, it's already changed so much. Okay, so 15 years ago, 10 years ago even, if for a,
Starting point is 00:14:10 I remember when it was a big deal, if an actress or a model posted a picture, or not posted, excuse me, tatted a picture of them taking in like a thong underwear, right? Like, oh my god, so and so actress, we saw her in a thong. Everybody in a big deal about it. fucking every girl on Instagram does that yeah everybody now post pictures of them and they'll post the picture of their ass so these are regular people who are literally like look at my butt and they haven't just a matter of time yeah and I'm not I'm not judging I'm just
Starting point is 00:14:38 saying that they are perception of what we consider you know okay it's the norm now it's interesting it's wild right it's changed so you know, okay or not. It's the norm now, it's interesting. It's wild, right? It's changed. So, you know what else it's changed is, because I did a post today about, you know, victimhood mentality, and I had to think real hard about it because I was wondering,
Starting point is 00:14:56 because it feels like everybody feels like they're a victim right now, everybody's getting offended. But I wonder if it's just social media. You know what I mean? I wonder if it's just because now everybody has a voice so that one person that complains that, it was offensive that you have dreadlocks
Starting point is 00:15:11 because you're culturally appropriating or if it's offensive because I did an Insta story that said some shit. Yeah, that one, that's a good example because that happens to come from two times all the time. Those are my favorite is when someone tattles on one you two. Like that ever happened you do Of course they DM with there's something they don't like about something that you said or you did like I get a DM like get the fuck out of here
Starting point is 00:15:34 Like I'm not gonna tell him So I'm so arrogant. Yeah, like I'm gonna try it with it like yeah, he told me it's fucking Well, is that you saying that right now? You never got that message. That's it. That's it. I just am DMs me I saved us. I want to hurt you just just a slides of my DMs like to you. So we both laugh at it That's hilarious. Yeah, you know, I it's funny. I'll get messages right because I shared one with Adam The other day. That's what we're talking about and
Starting point is 00:16:04 It's funny because there's no space between us. So it's like, you can't talk shit about one of my boys to me. Right. It just doesn't, I don't care what they did, I'm gonna fucking defend them. It doesn't matter, you know, how shitty it is. Well, and you said this actually, and I think there's actually a really good lesson in this.
Starting point is 00:16:20 There's a good lesson in business. I mean, you should share that. I mean, you shared that on a thread that was with all of the employees and I think, or excuse me, all the contractors. And so I think it's important that people understand that I don't think this is communicated in business a lot of times. I think there is a lot of victimhood. I think there's a lot of tattletelling. I think there's a lot of throwing under the bus. And people don't realize how weak that makes them look so weak. Yeah, it makes it so important.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I learned that it is a team, like a legit team. And I think that a lot of people don't know how to interact like that. Like you look out for your, you know, the person that's working alongside you. Like that's your first priority. It is. It is.
Starting point is 00:16:57 You know what it reminds me of? There's a scene in the Godfather where you have, you know, the Marlon Brando's character, right? And you have Sonny, and he's, him and all of the sons, and they're talking with some of the other mob bosses, and they're talking about the drug world, and how they wanna enter into selling drugs. And Marlon Brando, this is a Godfather character,
Starting point is 00:17:19 he says no, and then Sonny is like, but Dad, maybe you should consider what he looks at his son. Like, oh, like, and he knew what I'd do. I need to shut the fuck up. After they were done with their meeting, the other mob bosses leave, and he looks at him, and he says, never go against the family in front of other people.
Starting point is 00:17:37 And there's a lesson in that. And it's like, you learn this as a parent, or if you don't learn it, you'll learn it the hard way. You and your spouse or you and your partner, need to present a united front to your kids. Even if you disagree with the decision that your spouse made. So even if the other parent,
Starting point is 00:17:55 let's say my ex-wife tells my son, you're grounded for electronics for a month, for something he did, and I think it's too harsh. He's not gonna know that. My son's gonna know, or my daughter's gonna know, I back it up, I back up that decision. Yeah, as you cause dissension. That's right, we are a united front.
Starting point is 00:18:11 When he's not around, or when my kid's not around, then behind closed doors will say, well, that might be a little harsh or whatever. But the decision to change or overturn that is with the person that already set that up. Well, and that bleeds into business. 100% in business. If people make this mistake all the time,
Starting point is 00:18:25 I used to lead my teams like this when I ran at Ran Jim's and it was very effective. And I can see other teams that don't do this well where they'll say something like, oh, you're boss did this or you're co-worker did this. And then they'll be like, yeah, you're right, they're stupid whatever. And it just shows that, it shows the cracks,
Starting point is 00:18:41 it shows the cracks in the armor. When you should always provide a present, like we are united, there is no light in between us. And then when the doors are closed and everybody's gone, now we can argue and debate and fucking, I think what you did was stupid or whatever. But to other people, I got your back. Like there's no, you know what I mean? And I think that makes a company so much more effective and powerful.
Starting point is 00:19:02 No, it's so true. Did you guys see, I think I told Justin, I don't know if I told you so. Airbnb right now is trying to negotiate with SEC to get their, I don't even know what you call them. It would you call these contractors? Would that be a contractor? If you're somebody yet, it's a contractor
Starting point is 00:19:21 to get approval for them to have shares in the company, which is really, really cool if they get a whole new motivator. I think Uber is trying to do the same thing for its drivers. So these companies, which I think is really cool, how neat that would be. Now for someone who doesn't understand why that would be important, why that's cool, is that you take something that was so neat the way we talk,
Starting point is 00:19:43 and I know we have some of our fans that hate when we talk free market stuff but this is just a great example of how watching it work really well is you open up something like that where we all open our homes and we share with people and so what are some of the drawbacks of that oh so you you rent a house and you get like the guys stuff still in his house like that kind of sucks. It's not like up to code for a hotel. But what has happened over the last 10 years is it started to evolve. And it's got competitive. And now people are on its own. All on its own. Without any regulation, without setting laws or telling people you have to do this, you can't have that in the house. People are starting to elevate their game because they want their, if you want your house rented out,
Starting point is 00:20:26 well, maybe you shouldn't leave your fucking dirty underwear inside of, inside of hamper. You know what I'm saying? You have to start to elevate that. So to see that and to now see it open up, that, oh, now we may even allow them to have shares in this company. Now think of how much ownership you're going to take in providing an even better service
Starting point is 00:20:43 for these people that are staying at your house because now I have shares in the company, and I wanna see the company successful. It's such a brilliant model because there's a lot of these businesses that are popping up where it's a company and then contractors or whatever who have a lot of autonomy and independence
Starting point is 00:20:58 work for a ubers like that, Airbnb is like that. Ease, I believe, works that way. One of our other sponsors, where they do the cannabis delivery. They do it to the drivers. I think that drivers, in a similar way, use their own cars or whatever, pick it up. I know what's that grub hub, I think does that too.
Starting point is 00:21:15 I think it's door dash. Yeah, door dash. I think it's brilliant because they don't work for the company in the same, in the traditional sense, where they have set hours and whatever. It's kind of like contractors, or even those rent scooters. Well, this is where they call it like the gig economy, right? Yeah. That's all these gigs that people are finding that they can gain more ways to gain
Starting point is 00:21:37 capital, so to get money. Bro, it's, you know, many jobs that's added to the economy. It's the largest growth has come from the gig economy over the last 10 years. I have a friend who right now is, you know, he's just lost his job and he's struggling. He got another job, but he needs to make more so expensive in Silicon Valley.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And he's just gonna do Uber because he can do it whenever he wants. Whenever he has time, he can turn on his app and start picking people up or whatever. But the fact that they're giving shares, that's gonna up the game now. Well, they're trying to, they're trying to. That's what they're battling back and forth with SEC right now
Starting point is 00:22:11 to try and get that approved. But I think it would be cool to see that done. I think it's only gonna elevate the business. Doug, you don't have your mic do you today? You know, are you? No, I do. Oh, awesome, you do. Could you pull up, did you guys hear about
Starting point is 00:22:24 what's going on with the Instagram and Facebook or the employees are the the executives that are dropping dropping like flies right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're stepping out and they're stepping away. So I just read an article literally this morning on the way to work and so I was hoping one of you guys had already read more So we could talk a little more educated on it, but I'll just have Doug pull it up right now. So some of the executives, I think it's Instagram, are leaving and it has something to do with the,
Starting point is 00:22:54 what the company is evolving into as far as giving personal information and data and pictures and stuff. Yeah, it's just, I mean, here's my time to talk about. There's one. I've always been most worried about them because of the personal data and information they've accumulated from basically everybody on the planet and what that, I mean, innately that becomes like an evil
Starting point is 00:23:17 like motive. What are you gonna do with personal information like that? What are you gonna do with that? I'm always worried about that. So what's the problem exactly? Why are they? No, so it's because they have a problem with the direction of the company
Starting point is 00:23:30 where it's going with all those data. The what? Oh, really? Yeah, so obviously they're like a protest. I'm out of here. Yeah, they're like, they don't wanna be a part of it. So they're stepping away. They're stepping away from it.
Starting point is 00:23:40 So it's interesting to me, Justin is now watching it. I'm trying to get you to watch it. What is the name of this show that we are watching? It's based in the 70s. 70s and it's interesting because it's all like the, what they thought the future would look like as far as like the science and like it. So there's a lot of things in it that have really happened,
Starting point is 00:23:59 you know, that you see in there. And then there's certain things, one of the things that's in there is the ad buddy. The ad buddy thing, which I think is really fascinating because I think it's exactly where we're heading only in a digital sense. So what do we know based off of like, you know, the book that I always tout all the time
Starting point is 00:24:16 irresistible about the amount of hours the average person is spending on Instagram and these social platforms? It's getting ridiculous, right? We're glued to our phones. Well, what's happening with companies like Facebook and Instagram and we're now, we're starting to refine it so much that we know who's on that phone. I mean, you guys see this now.
Starting point is 00:24:33 I mean, I was playing, I was playing a heart see the other night and like every ad that I saw all night alone was like, oh shit, that I was already searching. And I wanted it. It's like so, like I'm playing a game and I was like almost distracted, go shopping. Like, I'm playing a game and I was almost distracted to go shopping like in the middle of a game because I'm like, they're getting so good
Starting point is 00:24:49 at knowing who I am and what I may want. And so that is the future is us to be just getting bombarded with shit that we want. And so you can't get mad, I'm not mad at that ad. That ad pops up. I wanna know the latest shoe drop that just happened. That's fucking 400 bucks. It's like only so many people have. Like I that shit and it's getting hit to me like instant minute
Starting point is 00:25:09 It's going live wherever if I'm anywhere on any platform It's letting me know well and so the things that and we're refining that and Facebook is a part of this this and so is Instagram and people think oh they get annoyed by right now Well, you get annoyed right now because you still get hit with shit that maybe you don't want. But imagine if all day long, you're constantly getting pitched everything that you want.
Starting point is 00:25:33 And it now just becomes to you resisting that and saying like, no, I shouldn't. And like, how many people are gonna have that self-control? How far will they have to go before it's, people start to say it's not fair? Like what I mean is this is what maniac. That's the name of it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:48 This is what the show does, which I think is brilliant too. So check this out. The guy gets to get, I'm going to just show spoiler here for this the first episode, but he goes to get on like the subway and he doesn't have any money. Yeah. And so you have an option. If you don't have money, you can trade being advertised to for your entire ride on the subway. So some guy physically sits next to him and goes through a list of all these different
Starting point is 00:26:10 products and options and it's almost like he's getting, you know, when you've ever been to one of those time share kind of pitches, it's what it reminded me of. Only, there's no escape, only refined as fuck because he's opening up very personal information about him. Oh, you have two children, you have this, they just one of them got sick for cough syrup. I saw that you bought this and you use this. This is actually a better brand. It's been proven that 90% of more people are more successful with this.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Would you like to get that for your child? Yeah. Like, wow. So think about that. We're getting to that point where the speed of the information that we're providing for all these platforms is just getting that much more refined. How can I- That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:26:48 How far can they go before people are like, okay, now it's getting, you're not fair. Now I'm being manipulated too strongly. If they know everything about you, if they know things that you don't even know about yourself, and what I mean by that is, I'll give you an example. What was the book, million wicked thoughts? Million wicked thoughts, I'll give you an example. There was a book, what was the book, Million Wicked Thoughts. Million Wicked Thoughts, I think that's any book,
Starting point is 00:27:08 was all about analyzing billions of bits of information from people's porn searches. And what it showed was a little bit different than what studies have shown. Why? Because studies require self-reporting. Whereas this is like, you're in the heat of the moment and you're just searching for porn.
Starting point is 00:27:27 What if it gets to the point where it can just read you and really fuck with your, you know, your makeup or whatever to figure out how to sell you something? And people thinking right now like, oh, that's a sci-fi fantasy. For sure that little get to that point. Well, I mean, even what movie is that we always reference it's like X Machina. And so,
Starting point is 00:27:46 like, just the brilliance of that movie being that, like, somebody like Facebook, really, to me, like, screams, like, this is super possible in terms of, like, you know, aggregating personal behavior patterns from everybody around the world. Like, they're the closest to be able to get that. So like my conspiracy hat on, I'm like, well, who's to say they haven't already been like trying to create the AI and be the first in that? Because they literally hold most the keys in terms of like that data and information is to what makes a human
Starting point is 00:28:20 being tick and all these different variables that are there. Well, the stuff that scares me about all this is maybe not so much advertisers. That can be, I can see how that could go pretty far though. But the part that scares me is when they start to use that in political elections and in manipulating people to get them to vote in particular ways. Yeah. Because then they'll know what, what, what, Well, they've already shown them they can do that.
Starting point is 00:28:43 They'll know what, yeah, they'll know what news articles to show you what to get you pissed off about to reinforce their the case Yeah, and then next thing you know you're like I'm voting for this person or I'm you know I think we should go to war in this particular way and and it's happened it's happened before I mean Many we've got many things that the reason why that doesn't scare me as much is because I think that There is there always be the opposite side that will have the same resources and the same tools I see more fear or danger because we're in this World of consumption and it's really as only happening in the last 30 years or so where we're in this keeping up with the Joneses and the race to
Starting point is 00:29:21 consume and byproduct that's such a fast rate It's crazy. You know, so for the last line, I bought these pants online. I get a advertise here. Totally dropped me on Instagram. We bought pants on. Shut up. Just shut up.
Starting point is 00:29:32 How do you know your size and everything's perfect? Because you know, you know, you know, why I justify because they were so cheap. I was like, oh, I kind of want some of these. These are like comfortable pants. You've worn the brand before. No, I haven't even done that. Oh, wow. That's a risk.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Total risk, right? So you're such a whale. Here's what's even funnier. Here's what's even cra that. Oh, wow, that's a risk. Total risk, right? So you're such a whale. Here's what's even funnier. Here's what's even crazier. So I buy them and then like an hour later, I'm serving on Instagram and I get advertised the same pants by a different company for $20 cheaper. Oh, I do know it's so fucking expensive.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Did you return the other ones and buy them? No, I'm too lazy to do that. I'll give a full, I, you know, I chalk it up is that's what you get asked for, fucking buying into it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's whatever. That's hilarious. I haven't bought anything through internet advertising.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Yeah, at all. Is that because you're still on the iPhone 6? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, once you get the iPhone, I have the Nokia. The one-click Amazon, can you see? No, no, no, no, I buy stuff on Amazon all the time. Well, yeah, but I mean, just through the ads.
Starting point is 00:30:23 I'm like, oh, I like that. I've been guilty of that. I've not done that yet. However, I buy stuff on Amazon all the time. Well, yeah, but I mean, just through the ads, I'm like, oh, I like that. I've been guilty of that. I've not done that yet. However, I can't say whether or not it's influenced me to go make a purchase later on. I see. I mean, I'm sure that happens, right? It's just getting better and faster and easier.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Well, they have to. They have to evolve it because, I mean, think about how annoying it is to watch regular TV now. Like, it's just so obnoxious to watch all these useless ads that I give two shits about. Is that seems so stupid now? It's crazy, so archaic. I want to force you to listen to what's that.
Starting point is 00:30:51 It's crazy how fast that happened though. Well, it's interesting to me that companies are still paying money on it. So what we're finding, I mean Taylor and I talk about this every day because he's always handling a lot of our sponsorships and relationships. And that's a good point. And a lot of people don't know this,
Starting point is 00:31:05 but many of the companies, almost all of the companies, actually, that we work with, we actually go out now. So when we first started, it was like, nobody paying attention to us. And then finally, we started getting some attention. Then we started getting companies throwing money at us that we really just weren't interested in. And now we've evolved to a point where,
Starting point is 00:31:21 we seek out the businesses that were really interested in. And one of the hardest things and the challenges that we have is that some of them, some of these companies just aren't there yet. I mean, many of the companies we've talked about, the E's, the Viori, Meere, all of these companies feel X-Grey. We're the first podcasts that they've ever advertised on. Just some of these companies just aren't there yet. And they're still doing old media as a way of advertising
Starting point is 00:31:46 because they don't realize the conversion rate that's happening on podcasts and other platforms. So pretty interesting and definitely challenging for us right now, but the future's upon us and the potential is massive. And once these big companies realize that, they're gonna do very well because it's just such a more interactive platform, you know, with audience and hosts.
Starting point is 00:32:08 It is, I wonder how it's gonna evolve. Yeah, I mean, cause it's gonna evolve at some point, it's gonna evolve. Well, what was it? It was Elon's Elon Musk's interview when he talked to Joe, right? Where he talked about, which I never thought of it this way.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Like, everyone talks about AI being awesome and amazing and then AI being super scary like no one talks about kind of the middle and his theory on how we'll use it I think is really really fascinating that we'll use it more as like a Away for our brains to access information so we can get the data that we just like you do with your phone right now Right, which is it was a massive point that he made that I was like oh Yeah, like my I am smarter because I have access to information, you know at my fingertips Yeah, the only difference is there's a there's a bottleneck where you can't get there fast enough Yeah, because you have to do you your fingers and thumbs and whereas it you know
Starting point is 00:32:59 It's not like you could just think in it to there which that's where he's pushing that he thinks the AI will go I think I think that's I think that could also be scary though. I think that could also be scary because once we're able to connect information that quickly also means we can connect to other people that quickly. And I don't know what you can be manipulated to like thinking that it's true. Like, I mean, what's that going to do? Yeah, how do you decipher? You even gone through the process of like, you know, empirical data and what that is even more that process
Starting point is 00:33:27 It just might be weird like humans have never done that before would we all of a sudden develop this hive mind? Yeah, no, we lose our independence and our individuality Totally. I don't know. Are you doing your your headache remedy right now? I don't know. Yeah, I'm this is yeah, I guess for the I guess we can share the audience. I'm attempting this is the fourth time so I have a headache again. Is there a special way you eat this pickle? By the way, do you just put the whole thing with my mouth?
Starting point is 00:33:49 Okay. Yeah, this is not a bang green filled to get in my ass type of thing. Whoa, hey. Yeah, or shoot it into my dick. Yeah, I'm gonna take this orally. Both methods, yes. You do.
Starting point is 00:34:01 I'm gonna film you eating a pickle because that's always fun. No, don't do that. I'm curious. How many cares? So my's always fun. Oh, don't do that. I'm curious. Nobody cares. So my wife had the same thing, but she was pregnant, you know. So, I just put it on that. This is not a craving.
Starting point is 00:34:12 This is me testing something on myself that I've found. It's trying to open that thing, giving you more of a headache. Yeah, it is curing me very hard. It's open tailor would help me out a little bit. I think if you just screw it, you'll pull the plastic right off with all you think so. Yeah, you just get it from here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah, there you go. Oh, oh, yeah, just spill pickle. Just so I have a spill pickle. There it is, yeah, it's all over. It's all over. You know, pickles are one of the best diet foods of all time. No calories and a pickle.
Starting point is 00:34:39 And they're very satisfying. Yeah, they're really, really good. Oh, look at that weird one. It reminds me of Justin. Hey. What, what is that? There it is. Okay, now you really, really good. Oh, look at that weird one. It reminds me of Justin. Hey. What, what is that? There it is.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Okay, now you said last time your headache was gone almost I'm a grower, dude. Yeah. A grower. So let's see what he says about the pickle curing. Well, I have to, I had to eat two of them. Oh, you did? Yeah, so we're not gonna stay here and watch me.
Starting point is 00:34:57 So you take two at a time. Yeah, I'll give you guys. Wow. Champion. Hey, you guys, you guys get skills like that. You guys want to hear an obvious study? I love it when they do obvious studies. Is this from Captain Obvious? No, well, it should be somebody. Hey, whatever happened to him. I know, right? Captain Obvious. Dr. Obvious. I still rely on those
Starting point is 00:35:15 studies. Oh, his studies? Yeah. His squats make the work the late. Walking is good for you. longevity wise. So here's the study. This was actually just published in on the 21st So this this month drug addict liked withdrawal From quitting junk food. They actually just study okay No, they were they had people you know Take take processed foods out of their diet like pizza french french fries, and they had withdrawal. And they had withdrawal symptoms. And the withdrawal symptoms were like anxiety, headaches, irritability, and depression.
Starting point is 00:35:54 Now this is a good, although it's an obvious study, this is good because now we have finally scientific evidence because now they can go in the opposite direction and say, well, if food, if taking foods out can cause withdrawal, does that mean that they have a dick that certain foods have addictive-like properties? And then that will be the next phase. Because we always have these debates of people who say, we haven't proven that yet. It's all about, I know, dude, you ask any trainer
Starting point is 00:36:20 or anybody's worked with people for longer than five days. They'll tell you that obviously people have withdrawal. When they, when they, now the key will be, is the withdrawal from the food itself, or is it from the emotional connection to the food? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, like I love this, you know, my morning bagel so much now I eliminate it now,
Starting point is 00:36:38 or is it something that's in the bagel? That's causing that type of thing. I know as a trainer, getting people to remove certain foods from the diet harder than anything else like it is almost the hardest thing to possibly do Yeah, and I mean definitely you could speak on the psychological factors, right? I mean, that's something that we've just seen like people's behavior change, you know as a result of changing like it's super addictive foods like that that have properties But yeah as far as a chemical like this. I'm sure there's super addictive foods like that that have properties, but yeah, as far as a chemical, I'm sure there's always gonna be debate on that, you know, from the scientific.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Well, when people argue this kind of, because I saw another article that said that, you know, food does not make kids hyperactive, depending, it doesn't matter what they eat. I think this is insane. Food for sure has an effect on how you feel. I mean, it's visible. Everybody listening right now,
Starting point is 00:37:24 and I don't see who you are, but just go ahead and do this. Raise your hand if you've ever eaten something that's made you feel happy. Oh wow, nobody raised your hand. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:37:34 Like of course food affects how you feel. So why is it such a, why do we have to have such a debate as to whether or not it can cause withdrawal or cause kids to feel hyperactive or cause people to feel depressed or whatever. Nobody just want nobody wants to stick their neck out there, you know, and lead the charge. It's insane to me.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Do you guys think there are certain foods that you were as a trainer that were the hardest for clients to let go of? Like types of foods or alcohol or things like that or sugars or wine was a big one for sure. Oh yeah. Yeah, when people are big wine drinkers, getting them to cut wine out was like, you know, this is how I relax. You know, is what was like thrown back at me, like really hard. Oh, I'm like, whoa, yeah, but it would,
Starting point is 00:38:14 because you know, when they have such a high stress job and when this is like the one thing they look forward to and they get home and it feels like, you know, psychologically it brings them to a better state, you know, to then kind of describe psychologically it brings them to a better state, to then kind of describe, well, there's a better process to get you there. We gotta work on another means to get that same feeling.
Starting point is 00:38:32 It's like, they don't even wanna, like. Oh, I had clients, I remember used to hire me. And it's like, I'll go food out instead of wine, you forget that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the food. Yeah, I was focused on that. And this is a changing, can you help me? I'm gonna keep my wine, I'm gonna keep drinking it.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Can you change me? And alcohol is probably one of the hardest I think to deal with. It is. It really is. When it comes to like getting someone in good shape, and people, there's so many debates around this. That's why I wanted to push the conversation
Starting point is 00:38:57 this topic of like, you know, can you get in shape and still drink alcohol? Sure. There's plenty of examples of people out there that have six pack abs and they're drinking and they don't help you to get there though. No, but it has to be one of the biggest obstacles when I'm helping somebody who's coming to me saying, hey, I need to get in shape. Now, allowing somebody who's already in shape, the occasional alcohol here and there is much easier in my opinion than it is to take somebody who drinks on a regular
Starting point is 00:39:24 basis, whether it be multiple nights a who drinks on a regular basis, whether be multiple nights a week of having wine or the Saturday or Sunday where they drink eight to 10 plus drinks, which would be considered binge drinking. I think binge is over four, three or four, which is already hard for people to admit what that is because that's just a one bottle of wine. That's one bottle of wine or that's a six pack of beer. Right, when they're pouring a cup, it's like half the bottle. Yeah, like it all depends on what the glass is.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Yeah, the glasses, you should like this punch ball. Dude, I used to have one glass. I used to have this conversation with a client once that I was so hard to navigate because she was like, I told her, I'm like, well, I mean, you have two full glasses of wine every night, which is this many calories and this much sugar, whatever. I said, and she'd be like, it's the one thing I look forward to. And I had this conversation with her, which was like, maybe we should look at the rest of your life.
Starting point is 00:40:15 If the highlight of your day is two glasses of wine, if that's the thing that you look forward to, maybe we should look at the rest of your life and see, like, it shouldn't be that. I'm sorry, if your life is so bad that that's what you look forward to is a glass of wine, you might need to look at the rest of your life and figure out what's going on.
Starting point is 00:40:36 So we would have these conversations, but who was tough to navigate. That's a great point though, because if you don't address that, it's gonna be really tough to get them in shape. Not just from, and I think this is where people have a hard time understanding, it's not just from a calorie perspective
Starting point is 00:40:48 and what alcohol does inside the body, but what you're saying, that if alcohol is so important to you that you have to have in your diet, what is that saying about the rest of your life? More than likely, you might have high stress. More than likely, you may not be the best sleeper. More than likely, you may not have the best relationship.
Starting point is 00:41:03 There might be other things that are in your life that are actually hindering your weight loss that isn't just related to calories. That because you're so attached to whatever this may be and that we're just picking on wine. We're picking on alcohol. Yeah, exactly. And I was thinking, I mean, there's other foods like a donut or, you know, something else that's like for them, it like symbolizes this happiness, you know, this immediate joy, and so they try to like somehow incorporate that within their lifestyle, make it work, and like it's always trying to make it work, but you know, why is that such a significant thing
Starting point is 00:41:39 for you to place your focus on? My favorite is when I was tough. When I'll tell people like, okay, well, let's try removing, you know, dairy, or let's try removing gluten or whatever. And people will look at me and be like, what do I eat? What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:41:53 Yeah, what do I eat now? I don't know what to eat. I'm like, oh shit, like, you don't know what to eat. Literally, if we just remove one small category, I never eat dairy, I can't eat dairy, right? I can't trust me, there's lots of foods I can eat. But how often I'll tell a client. I was sad like those weeks, I went without cheese, I'm not gonna, I never eat dairy, I can't eat dairy, right? I can't trust me, there's lots of foods I can eat. But how often I'll tell a client. I was sad like those weeks, I went without cheese,
Starting point is 00:42:08 I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah, you do have a little bit of addiction to it. Speaking of alcohol, by the way, you know how many messages I'm getting from people who have now tried the charcoal, yes, with alcohol? Yes. And everybody's like, and I don't wanna advocate for this,
Starting point is 00:42:22 I'm not telling you this is what you need to do. This is anecdote again, but I'm getting a lot more anecdote. That shit works, man. You drink and you have some activated charcoal while you're drinking. Are you using the four-segmentic one? Yeah, is that the one you're using? It's the lemonade charcoal.
Starting point is 00:42:36 So do you just, so I don't, okay, sorry. Are you making the tea and then drinking the tea and then going into your, your, no, I'll take the powder with me. And after my first drink, mix it in a beer or something. No, I'll just mix it in some water and just pound it real quick. It'd be good if you were like into Mike's hard lemonade or something.
Starting point is 00:42:54 You poured in the, make it black, smiled like a charcoal over your feet. But now people are messaging me and they're like, one guy messaged me and all he put was a picture of the activated charcoal, you know, the four-sigmatic and then or anything, he just put fucking miracle.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And I was like, I can't tell you exactly what it was. He's like a total talker. Well, I did another post of, I think, me either drink, oh yeah, I was like, the post I just did on Instagram of me drinking the Moscow meal, with that talk that we did. And someone was rassing me about,
Starting point is 00:43:24 you know, guy who says he never drinks post post three times of in the last two weeks or whatever of drinking. I'm like, you know, that's a good point. And the last year I really have drank more than I probably have in the previous 10 and that's just in fault. By the way, it's not a lot. It's still not a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Like you can I still count on one hand how many times, but I keep you guys cool. You know, I mean, the, the charcoal thing has been a game changer for me, dude. It really, it really has huge, right? Yeah. I know. Because I'm like you, like alcohol always affects me negative. I can have a drop of it, but because of that, I feel so much better. Maybe it's a bad thing. You know, dangerous. Yeah, probably. It probably, it has to be one of my favorite talks that we ever did, though because we were supposed to talk at what's his name? Yeah, Vince Del Montice. He had his his mastermind thing Whatever speaking of drinking who was the idiot that was drinking and putting the juve light together because that thing is Impossible to fucking turn on no no works. Don't show me that work. Yeah, and it's like insanely powerful in comparison to the last one
Starting point is 00:44:22 If you turn it on oh do last the mod one if you turned it on. Oh dude, this is the mod, so it's mod, it's modular, which I think means because it's got all these independent all connected. But you can separate them, you can use them individually, you can create like a little wall, you can put it around your body. And they are more powerful. So have you figured out now, have we get, because when we first, don't show me how to do it. Oh, so you figured out, so there's like, is there like a master switch that turns them all on? Yeah, so there's two switches. One of them connects all of them, and then once you connect all of them, you turn one on and it turns all of them on, right, Doug?
Starting point is 00:44:52 Am I saying that right? No, we actually turned on all the switches, but we may not have it mastered yet. Okay. But we get it working. Yeah, no it works. I see it working, but I try to use it after one of you guys, and it's like all these switches
Starting point is 00:45:05 I got to turn on it. I know it's not supposed to be like that. I think somebody's going around just flipping switches randomly So we always have to go back and reset it. It's like we need to have a protocol here for turning on the juice So I know you're back to using I know I stole it. I'm using it now because we have it now things Yeah, now we have to You have one at your house. I do have one at my house. And I, you know what? Like, it was probably out of all the things that I was doing to get my test of astronaut up.
Starting point is 00:45:33 It was the thing that I did the most consistent at the beginning, and then I have fallen off the most. And I really want to, now that I've got my test the second time of the test of astronaut, I really want wanna apply being consistent with it again, like I was before, because for a while there, I was really consistent with it. Why not just fucking, is there a limit?
Starting point is 00:45:52 Well, you know how many times you use it? You know how we're all assholes. This is just human nature, what we do. Like, I do some of that, and I'd be lying if I said it wasn't like this, that I do something, I get the results that I want from it. I'm happy and excited about them, so do I, I stop doing it.
Starting point is 00:46:09 You know, it's like, you gotta keep, with this, we're at least for the condition that I have as low of testosterone as I have, I can tell that it's something that it needs to be a part of my regimen. If I'm gonna keep those high levels, yeah. Is there a limit to like, I know you used it once a day when you were using a lot,
Starting point is 00:46:24 can you use it twice a day? I don't see why not. Okay, we should find out. You know, I think Ben wrote a really good blog on it. I asked him, I know he wrote it. Because I would, if I had that shit in my house, I would do it before bed. I mean, before bed at night when I wake up twice a day. Well, when I was at the other house, and that's part of the reason why I fell off is I've moved,
Starting point is 00:46:42 right? So my routine has changed a little bit, and I used to have it mounted and set up right at the edge of my bed. So I literally would get shower and then come out of the shower, and then I would dry myself basically naked in front of this thing, and that's how I'd get ready every morning. So that was a really good routine. Well now I don't have it. It's now it's in one of my spare rooms.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So... Well, the biggest thing that you used to talk about was your psoriasis. Yeah, and that is the thing that's actually making me want to do it more was because when I was doing it, I was doing it also, I was also trying to get the benefits for the balding thing. So my head would be off and I'd be massaging my scalp
Starting point is 00:47:20 with it in front of it too, right? I figured I might as well kill all birds with one stone here. Positive thinking. Yeah, it is. Everything, everything, right? I figured I might as well kill all birds with one stone here. Positive thinking. Yeah, it is. Everything, bro. Everything, right? So I was literally doing it.
Starting point is 00:47:29 No, I have these two spots, these two, by the way, some asshole in on my Instagram was like, oh, you'll be cool when you actually accept going bald. Like, fuck you, I have psoriasis spots all over my head. So I'm never gonna shave my head, just to, those that are wondering. So I've got these two big spots of psoriasis on my head
Starting point is 00:47:46 that are big right now. And I think they're big because I haven't been doing light. When I was doing the light, they were almost non-existent. So that's motivated me even more than the testosterone because when I was being really good about that, I was noticing my psoriasis being suppressed more
Starting point is 00:48:01 than it was. Well speaking of sort of suppressing things, I have figured out one more component to emeliorating symptoms of gut problems, like irritable bowel syndrome. I notice when I take Zerteck, which is a brand name for an anti-istamine, that allergy medicine.
Starting point is 00:48:23 I notice when I take that, that I started to connect the dots that my gut would actually feel a little bit better. Now being that gut issues or an immune reaction, makes perfect sense. So I went online, what is this why I live the internet? Because I don't think there's any evidence to support this, but I went online and all these forums people are saying,
Starting point is 00:48:42 oh yeah, when I take, you know, claritin or zirtec or whatever, my gut is a lot better. So, and I don't take zirtec on a daily basis, I don't have allergies, but I know I'm glad I connected that because now I'm gonna use it when I have an issue to kind of slow down this.
Starting point is 00:48:59 And I wanna say that on the podcast is a lot of people that listen that have those kinds of issues. Another thing that you may add to your arsenal to help with those issues. Well, I have Zer... I have ZerTech at my car. Do you take it every day?
Starting point is 00:49:09 No. I try not to take my allergy medicine every day. I often do take it per week. Maybe once or twice, maybe. But rarely, that would have to be during spring time. If it's spring time and allergies are really, really high and it's unbearable, I might take it twice in a week, maybe three times in a really bad week.
Starting point is 00:49:31 But what I have found just because I've had allergies my whole life pretty much is if I take it to regularly, then what ends up happening is my body gets used to that. And then I just don't get the same benefits from it where I wonder if the body up regulates the receptors. I would imagine it does. So I used to, I always, so I have, they're taking my car right now, but I've got Benadryl, I've got Allegra, I've got Clare10, I don't really keep five different allergy brands that I kind of rotate through, and I've noticed that when I do that,
Starting point is 00:50:05 that my body tends to respond better to it. So I try not to take it as much as possible because I definitely think there's something to be said about taking it very consistently all the time in the body getting you to. So you're seeing with the gut though, because I remember too, the histamine producing foods, you know, when you eat certain combo of foods,
Starting point is 00:50:26 like how that will affect the gut as well. So then you're saying like, zirtec might be the answer in some of those cases where you're not fixing the root. So I don't wanna say that it's, well, like addressing the symptoms. Yeah, so I don't wanna say it's a cure at all because it's just preventing a reaction,
Starting point is 00:50:44 but you gotta figure out what's causing that reaction in the first place. However, if you have really, really bad gut issues or really, really bad allergies, sometimes it's worth it just to improve your quality of life, you know, just to, you know, stop that. And that's how I take it. I know that I'm not probably fixing anything, but when I have, and if my allergies are debilitating where it's just I'm blowing my nose
Starting point is 00:51:05 I'm gonna take thumbs and I have to because I know that like I'll shit I've had you know foods that will make me react a certain way and I know that's coming you know like it's I just need to Suppress the you know that what's coming after that Shhh! Queeeeee-claw! I'm going for everything. MOTS! Claw! Today's Claw is brought to you by Max and Obolic! If you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength,
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Starting point is 00:51:52 First up is Diary of a Fit Guy. If someone does their mobility drills at home prior to going to the gym, what's the amount of time that can pass before the drills lose their efficacy? As an example, how much value is lost if the workout occurs an hour after doing the mobility work? Mmm, dear diet. I wouldn't get lost at all. Yeah, so there's a couple of things going on here. One is priming, where I'm trying to prime my body before a movement. So let's say I have trouble feeling my glutes when I squat.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And so I start to prime my glutes by doing maybe like a donkey kick back or hip thrust so that I can feel my glutes when I squat. And then there's mobility drills to improve function, general function. When it comes to improving general function, you know, the more of the barrier do it every single day, your body starts to improve. When it comes to improving general function, the more of the merrier, do it every single day, your body starts to improve.
Starting point is 00:52:46 When it comes to priming, you probably should prime your body. Yeah, that's a specific window for that. Yeah, I would say probably within 30 minutes. I think if you wait too long, then you might not get the benefit of the priming. But in hour, you're probably still getting something. Of course, you're still gonna get benefit.
Starting point is 00:53:03 You're absolutely. You're training a neurological pattern that is going to be advantageous to whatever you're doing. It's gonna be beneficial, but this is also why we separated. We have Maps Prime and Prime Pro, which is related to priming type sessions. And then we have like mobility drills, which is integrated into our performance program.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Like we treat them separately. And we, even though some of the moves and some of the things you do seem like kind of the same thing, right, or they carry over to each other. But yeah, absolutely. When you're priming, you're just trying to get something fire, where firing, where if it's mobility, if it's mobility work, you're trying to address an imbalance that you have or a postural deviation, like you can't do enough of that. I think what's more important in this question is,
Starting point is 00:53:47 you know, what are you doing in the hour between your priming drill and the workout? And so what I mean by that is let's say, again, we'll use the example of the glutes. Let's say a prime, I'm really hard. Then I get in the car and I drive for an hour. So I'm sitting down in my car for a full hour. Well now, that's good point. This, the sitting in the car and I drive for an hour. So I'm sitting down in my car for a full hour. Well now, this, the sitting in the car for an hour
Starting point is 00:54:09 is sending a different competing signal, which is probably going to win because I'm doing it for an hour. Versus the priming session that I did, which was 20 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever, which is usually how long they have. Well, you can, when I prime, like you're using the glued example,
Starting point is 00:54:22 which is, that's fine, but even like, something that I always have to prime. And I prime, like, you're using the glute example, which is just fine, but even like, something that I always have to prime before I do chest, you know, because I have the forward shoulder, rounded shoulders, forward head. I just have to either do the wall test real quick, or I do some band pull-apart, or if I'm going right to a barbell bench, I'll do some bent over rows. And I just need to wake up all those muscles that are responsible for holding me in that retracted position
Starting point is 00:54:49 so I can hold that through my chest press. Otherwise, my body will have this tendency to roll forward and then I feel this kind of pain in my shoulders. So that priming takes me just a moment before I do that exercise. And so I have specific exercises like the squat, like the deadlift, like the bench press, that I know my body, I know why it's not in perfect alignment. And I
Starting point is 00:55:12 know what will help it. Well, it fix it forever. No. But we'll help it before I do an exercise that I needed to be in that position. Yeah. And that's really quick. You don't need to do that. You know, it doesn't need to be like this whole dedicated session of, you know, I need to spend 20 to 30 minutes of priming my body, then I go into my workout. I primed before movements. Yeah, I think there's two different ideas, and I think we did address them in those programs with prime and just as far as like where your deficiencies lie
Starting point is 00:55:41 and where my imbalances are and what's not functioning properly and those take a lot more repetitions your deficiencies lie and where my imbalances are and what's not functioning properly. Those take a lot more repetitions and a lot more of these sessions in order to get your body to kind of come around to the idea of how this is all going to play out. And so, as far as just priming, that's something that, yeah, you do want to schedule like your priming session before you work out pretty close to when you're actually going to perform. Your exercises for the best benefit to, you know, using it that way. But there's definitely mobility practices and overall movement practices that will really help your body communicate better overall in long term.
Starting point is 00:56:23 So it's just, it's a matter of like how you use these concepts. Yeah, and this also highlights something else, just because we're kind of on the topic of, you know, corrective type work. You know, when you're doing correctional exercise, you're trying to change a, a default pattern that you have in your body. And so, you know, intensity is always important,
Starting point is 00:56:44 but what's more important is how often you practice the new movement. That's the most important thing when it comes to correctional. Because what got you there was doing the movement that opposes that or the antagonist to that, so many. Just the wrong movement,
Starting point is 00:56:57 the right, the right pattern, the wrong pattern. And here's the reason why intensity is not as important, because when you have a default pattern, if I move you in, let's say, a more favorable way, as soon as I start to apply a lot of intensity, your body will revert back to the way it moves best. And the way your body moves best is not necessarily the best way you should move your body.
Starting point is 00:57:20 So, let me explain what that means. If I'm always, if I've always squatted a particular way, even though it's not the ideal way to squat, because I always squat that way, my body's best at squatting the way that I practice, even though it's not an ideal way to squat. If I want to change how I squat, I have to change my form and now reinforce a new pattern,
Starting point is 00:57:42 but as soon as I add a lot of weight and push the intensity, my body immediately is going to revert back to the way that it knows how to squat best, which is the wrong way that I've practiced the most. And so correctional exercise, it's extremely important with correctional exercise that you monitor the intensity. It's got to be hard enough to where you can move and feel and get, you know, you can feel a little bit of challenge, but it can't be too hard because you'll move right back out of good form or out of the new pattern you're trying to build, but you gotta fucking do it a lot. You gotta practice all the time, all the time.
Starting point is 00:58:13 It's funny, I used to use this as a, and this became a sales tool that I did as a trainer. I would take a client toward through a goal assessment or a first, you know, free session, and inevitably they'd have, you know, one of the most common posture issues is like forward shoulder. And one of the common, you know, movement patterns that's wrong is when people try to row their shoulders, you know, their shoulders shrug or their shoulders remain forward.
Starting point is 00:58:41 And they pull with their lats only so their lats dominate it's what they call it, right? So what I'll do with this person is I'll have them row and then I'll say, okay, now we're going to try it again, but this time I'm going to put you in proper positions so you can see what it feels like. Then I'll move them in proper position. I'll use my hands to kind of forcibly move their scapuline position while they're rowing. And then they'll feel it and they'll be like, oh my God, that feels real good. And then I'll take my hands off and I'll say to them, now keep doing that on your own. And I'll let them keep doing reps until they fatigue.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And I'll film them. I see this as a sales tool. And as I'm filming them, inevitably, even though they know how to move now, they know what it feels like. I just put them in that position. They start to river back to the old position. Then I'll show them the video and I'll say now, look,
Starting point is 00:59:22 this is the reason why it's so important that you work with a trainer for a certain period of time because I could literally not just show you the right way to do a movement, I can put you in the right position to do a movement, but all I had to do was take my hands off you for 10 seconds and as soon as you started to fatigue, your body started moving the old way. This is what happens, this is why correctional exercise needs to be done perfect and it needs to be done frequently. When you do it frequently and perfect over time, that becomes your default pattern.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Then you start to apply intensity. And now when you go squat heavy or push heavy or pull heavy, you're moving in the ideal way. So it's extremely important to do this super frequently. Now when it comes to priming, I'd say same thing. Priming doesn't work that great if you do it every once in a while. If you do it every once in a while,
Starting point is 01:00:10 it'll give you some benefit, but not a whole lot. If you do it before every workout, it's cumulative. You notice week after week, like, whoa, I am feeling way different. My form is way better. I'm activating muscles much differently. I have way less joint pain, I have way more,
Starting point is 01:00:27 I feel more of the muscle actually doing the work. If things feel better, I can lift heavier, but it happens when you're consistent, you have to be super consistent. You can't get away with the two super hard workouts a week like you can when you're just trying to build muscle. Now, if I'm just trying to build my delts, I can get away with just two hard workouts a week. I've sent an intense signal, my muscles
Starting point is 01:00:47 are going to build. When you're trying to reinforce a pattern, it needs to be done very frequently. Next question is from H. Gen 9. Ripito just did a T-Nation article on how unilateral training is pretty much useless, a useless gimmick used by PT's and YouTube fitness people because all the compound moves work the weak and strong muscles as a system and can't be separated to get stronger. This was really, I could, this was so I'm close to this on our forum. I wish I did anyone, you guys read the article. No, I didn't read the article. No, I've heard him talk about this before.
Starting point is 01:01:22 You know, I have all the respect in the world for Mark Ripeto. I think he's one of the most incredible coaches in the fitness space. I'd love to hear Mike Boyle talk chime in on this one. Well, I mean, that being said, I completely disagree with what he's saying here. Here's the thing, okay. What he's saying in some cases is true.
Starting point is 01:01:43 So do compound movements work the weak and strong muscles as a system? Yeah, they do. They absolutely do. Does that mean that there's no benefit from working one leg at a time or doing split stance exercises or using one dumbbell instead of two dumbbells? Not at all.
Starting point is 01:01:59 In fact, every movement you do is a unique movement. And every time you get better at that movement, it's relatively specific to that particular movement. And they do have a little bit of carryover. And when you think of the way your body works and moves, are you ever on one leg? Yeah. All the time.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Well, there's the argument in itself. Yeah, you know, are you telling me that there's no carryover going into a compound lifts? You can't really argue that. Like that's aesonine. It doesn't make any sense. No. So what I think is it's just,
Starting point is 01:02:32 this is another thing where we start to form camps. And this is very much, to me, it feels like a marketing thing to really stay divisive in his system of, because it's very, Barbell lifts and, you know, Olympic lifts and things that he teaches at a very high level are very valuable,
Starting point is 01:02:52 but there's a lot of value in unilateral training as well, you know, from a stability standpoint, from a functionality standpoint, from an everyday life standpoint, like, as far as barbell specifics, I mean, there's carryover from unilateral training that helps to aid in the performance of these barbell movements.
Starting point is 01:03:12 So I 100% disagree with this thing. Well, look at this. Here's, it has nothing to do with working different muscles, by the way. That's the part that it's not about working different muscles. Yeah, if I do a lunge, a lunge is a split stance squat. Let's be honest, the front leg is doing the same thing in a lunge as it is when you're doing a squat theoretically,
Starting point is 01:03:33 right? Theoretically speaking, and if we examine the muscles being worked, same muscles, glutes, hamstrings, quads, same things are being worked. Does that mean that doesn't mean though it's a waste? Because when I'm squatting with a split stance or I'm squatting with one leg, I'm learning how to be able to move better on one leg.
Starting point is 01:03:50 It's a different pattern, it's a different movement, it's a different adaptation on the body. From a muscle building standpoint, this is totally wrong. From a muscle building standpoint, all you gotta do, I'll tell you what, if all you ever do are compound movements with both feet on the floor, both arms in the same position all the time, go unilateral, watch your body build muscle all of a sudden.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Happens almost every single time. And I'm experiencing this with myself, with squats, by the way. I haven't done barbell squats in weeks. All I've done are walking lunges and bulgurian split stance squats is because I noticed there was a discrepancy between my right and left side,
Starting point is 01:04:24 even though I could squat and balance no problems. This is the example that I wanted to use as how, where okay, if you have somebody who is all about compound lifting only about squatting, putting both feet on the ground while you squat, and there is a major discrepancy in one side, like Sal's about to say it with him. Okay, well, I can sit there
Starting point is 01:04:43 and I can keep having that person squat and I keep trying to address that and explain to that client like, that hey, you're shifting to your side a little bit more and you're using more of your left leg than your right leg and that's causing these problems down the kinetic chain and now because of that, you have all this dominance on one side and so I need you to mentally concentrate on this and constantly speaking to that, right?
Starting point is 01:05:03 And maybe you can get somebody to somehow mentally make that shift and start firing equally on both sides. Now, in my experience, it's extremely hard to get clients to make that connection. One of the easiest ways to address an imbalance like that is to eliminate the other limb. If you have a major discrepancy in squatting and you are dominant on one side, well guess what happens when I get rid of the dominant side and all we address and focus on is the other side and we bring that leg and we drop it back
Starting point is 01:05:34 into like a Bulgarian split squat, like you're saying, Sal, or a walking lunge, then I can focus on that weaker side and everything from the ground up, how you feel, how your foot feels connected to the ground, how you drive through the heel, how the glutes are firing on that side, everything, so we can start to catch that back up.
Starting point is 01:05:52 So, could you never do unilateral work and still build a very strong functional body? Absolutely. Could you only do unilateral work and build a strong, yes, you could do, but why the fuck would and build a strong yes you could do but why the fuck would we separate these camps why yeah there are tools there are tools for all of us you know who's an idiot in this or the people that want to put a put a line in the sand right and say we're on this side these guys are these are idiots no you know who
Starting point is 01:06:18 the idiots are all you guys are trying to separate people in boxes the smart people are the ones that will take from both and use both tools to better themselves because they both have application. Even strength athletes, look, I'll tell you what, I've worked with power lifters and strength athletes in the past who, for example, never did a split stand, or at least they've done it,
Starting point is 01:06:40 but they don't never do in their training a lunch. And these are guys that can squat five, 600 pounds. I put them in a lunge with the barbell in the back and they're shaking and struggling with like 100- We're still limiting factor for strength that your body feels that it's unsupported at the joint. And now you're trying to tell me that lateral training
Starting point is 01:07:02 isn't gonna provide more stability around the joint, which inevitably will allow your central nervous system to feed more force to that movement. It just doesn't fucking make sense. No, and there is a point of diminishing return, right? Okay, one-legged exercises definitely have some benefits versus the two-legged exercises which have their own benefits. Now, does that mean that we could go one-legged now on, you know, the, on the, on the ball of your foot,
Starting point is 01:07:36 now standing and balancing on a ball? Now, no, no, no, at some point there's diminishing return because you can't generate enough force. You're not going to live in unilateral change. This is why I provide that string. No way. This is why both camps, I think, why there's two. They're two each other. Yes, they should help each other.
Starting point is 01:07:51 And so I get Ripto's point. We should read the article before we rip him to pieces over this because. No, this is based off the question, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because you might have more details there. Right. Because where I do agree is, and we've said this on the show, we said this years ago, like, I'm happy it was one of our first episodes
Starting point is 01:08:08 that we opened up with, was talking about, you know, functional training and how, you know, I mean, that was 15 years ago when that craze would happen. I remember, you know, everybody was balancing on a foam pad, a dionidisk, or a stability ball. Yeah, you try to set press down. Yeah, you were doing all these silly movements and challenging balance so much
Starting point is 01:08:26 because we all said and put all this energy and focus on that. And it's like what we always do as humans, is we get a little bit of science that supports the benefits of that. And then we go to the extreme of it. And we already experienced extreme like 15 years ago. Like I don't think we live in extreme,
Starting point is 01:08:42 I don't think it's nowhere near bad today as it was 15 years ago. Do you guys think that? No, no, no. I don't walk in a gym,. I don't think it's nowhere near bad today as it was 15 years ago. Do you guys think that? No, no. I don't walk in a gym. I used to walk in the gym. But that trend is gone. It is already gone.
Starting point is 01:08:51 It's gone already. And so there's no reason to draw the line in the sand right now over this. It's like, no, that doesn't mean stability balls, dynodiscan foam, foam fucking things don't have a place. They're tools. And they can be used by a really good professional that can see an application for it and then they should compliment each other. It shouldn't be one or the other.
Starting point is 01:09:10 I'll tell you what, I was like I was saying earlier, I haven't done squats for weeks. I've done a split stance exercises. I got under the bar the other day and my squat hasn't felt better in years. It felt phenomenal and I hadn't squat at all. You know, and it now is it, a lot of exercises are better? No, it's because I addressed an imbalance and my imbalance was that one side was stronger than the other or more stable than the other. And because I was able to address it, now I didn't get into the bar, boom, I feel more
Starting point is 01:09:39 stable and I can squat better. And so now there's tons of benefits, benefits for strength athletes. Different skill, different adaptation that provides, you know, a new stimulus that there's carryover that goes back to, you know, the compound lifts. That's right. Next question is from A. Bolz 15. Is there really an anabolic window? If not, how did it come about?
Starting point is 01:10:03 And if there is, could you please provide more information about it? Do you know the history of that? Do you know where it came from? Yeah, there was some science that showed, so there's something called the glucose transporter type four, which is a type of a carrier on your cells that takes glucose and transports it
Starting point is 01:10:25 to fat or to muscle. And when you're active, you activate this glute form. I might be screwing this up, okay? So if this is your field of research, you might wanna correct me in my DMs. But from what I understand, when you exercise, you activate this and it stays activated for a period of like 30 to 90 minutes.
Starting point is 01:10:45 And so once we learned about the science, supplement, brilliant supplement marketers were like, oh shit, okay, then the best time to eat something is right after you work out and let's name that something. Let's label it the Annabelle window. And as any marketer, any marker, it will tell you, if you can ritualize something, like if you could take your product and ritualize it, like use this before you go to bed or use this before you work out or whatever, the odds that the person will use it consistently
Starting point is 01:11:19 is much higher. This is why medications work this way. One with breakfast and one with dinner or one before bed or because they know that you're more likely to take it than if they said something like 10am or some arbitrary type thing. What's the one thing that all people who are into fitness tend to do work out? They knew if they attached supplements to the workout, just like they do with pre workouts, the post-workout and a ball of window did this before pre workouts. They knew that they would sell more supplements and they did with pre workouts. The post workout and a ball of window did this before pre workouts.
Starting point is 01:11:45 They knew that they would sell more supplements and they did. When protein powder companies started pushing this post workout and a ball of window, protein powder sales went through the fucking roof. When I was a kid, nobody took a protein powder post workout. Nobody did. When I was 15, 16 years old, you know when you take protein powders, used to take them before bed or just in the morning,
Starting point is 01:12:09 you'd make a shake for breakfast. Nobody took a post workout. I can't remember the advertisers that pushed it first. I wanna say it was designer protein, which I believe was Dan DuCane and Bill Phillips. So Bill Phillips, by the way, one of the most brilliant supplement markers all of them. It's interesting you mentioned that
Starting point is 01:12:27 because I remember when I was taking protein and I was really trying to bulk up, I would definitely take it first thing in the morning and try to load as much as possible in the morning. And I don't really remember when that became a thing where it was like you had to have a shake right after your work. No, I think it was designer way.
Starting point is 01:12:43 And again, that was Dan Ducane was attached to them. He also had ultimate orange for the old school listeners right now. That was one of the first like pre-workout, quote unquote, pre-workout supplements that was out there. But it was really in a fedra, caffeine drink, and people loved it. But it was designer way, and what they did
Starting point is 01:13:00 is they would write articles in muscle media 2000, which was this bodybuilding publication that they own. And then they would talk about the science, they talk about steroids, they talk about all these crazy things. And they'd say how when you work out, you activate this, this, you know, glute four,
Starting point is 01:13:13 that's, you know, glucose transport of four thing that, you know, your body becomes more sensitive insulin, this is the time you need to feed yourself. And by the way, we have evidence to suggest that shows that when you do consume things post workout, you do replenish glycogen faster.
Starting point is 01:13:28 Now, in the long run, does that really mean anything, not really, unless you plan on working out later on the day, but it doesn't really do anything in terms of contributing to muscle growth or anything else. But we do see that. They capitalize on it. And of course, if you know you're going to eat right after your workout, most convenient thing to do is to have a shake in your gym bag. And then of course the argument went,
Starting point is 01:13:49 well, since we want to get this in your system as fast as possible, the best thing you could possibly consume is a pre-digested protein shake because you absorb it faster. Oh, and way protein gets absorbed even faster than other forms of protein. And they developed this whole marketing thing around it to where now it's become.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And at the end of the day is you really are your splitting hairs here. The difference in time. Is there science to support that that is the most optimal or ideal time for you to intake that shake maybe, but is it really matter that much if you didn't sleep very well the day before? You've had three days in a row or you weren't dialed in nutrition wise, you've already intronically inflamed already.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah, you're already inflamed, you've already hit your protein intake, you're getting an abundance of protein already, like there's so many of your programming sucks, you know, like there's so many other things that matter first before worrying about trying to get shake, you absolutely can get in crazy, crazy shape without ever even thinking about having a protein shake right after a workout.
Starting point is 01:14:52 This is like trying to put a frickin, you know, like you've said before Adam, a spoiler on your card increases its handling. When, you know, oh, this, this spoiler, you know, gives it more downforce, you know, by 2% when you just change his suspension tires and all that stuff, it's way more important. This, this probably amounts to point, you know, 1% of your progress. This is why the only people I ever saw, I got it when my peers were doing it.
Starting point is 01:15:16 I get it, you know, if you're, you are so meticulous about every little detail and you're tracking and measuring and weighing every single thing. And so like, hey, why not also try and time this protein shake in right after a workout. I could see that about every other person who's trying to get in shape. It's like, it's, it's a waste of the stress and the, the carrying the shake in your fucking bag. Now, here's what you do with that science.
Starting point is 01:15:40 Okay. With the science that I talked about, about the glucose transport of four being activated. Here's what you do with that, is when you eat, make sure to activate, rather than worry about after your work-on, have a protein shake, that's not going to make that big of a deal when it comes to muscle building or fat loss. It's going to be not noticeable, but here's where you do apply that science. At any time you do have a big meal, go for a 10-minute walk, because they've shown that if you do that consistently, you increase your insulin sensitivity, you reduce your risk of things like diabetes and insulin, you know, issues with insulin.
Starting point is 01:16:14 You also increase or improve assimilation, improve your digestion, and they're showing now in studies more fat loss and better health. So rather than thinking, I just had a hard workout, I need to have a protein shake with the science, what you should be thinking is, after a big meal, I'm going to get up and move, because any kind of movement activates this glucose transporter for. And there is an intensity variable, the harder you work out, the more apparently it's activated. But really, we were just, we just interviewed Stan Effording and he says that he recommends all his athletes,
Starting point is 01:16:48 especially the strong man that he works with, because he monitors their blood sugar. He tells him 10 minute walk after your big meals and he says it makes a big difference. And so that's where you take that science and apply it to yourself. But as far as this window of opportunity, because I knew guys, man, when my 20s,
Starting point is 01:17:03 when this was a big deal in my 20s right everybody was doing it. I remember dudes that would get fucking angry if they didn't have food right after they worked out like no I gotta go fucking eat right now. Yeah, nothing else mattered. Yeah, like so and so's talking to me I gotta go get my food, you know, can you hold on a second? I gotta get my shake because I just worked out like it doesn't make difference Next question is from Freeman X-Tel. Can you guys make an argument for circuit training? I can't make an argument for anything.
Starting point is 01:17:29 Yeah, anything really. Yeah, circuit training, I mean, you could set it up. So if circuit training, you're gonna focus on that mainly for endurance and, you know, to build up your durability and basically to build your gas tank and not use it as like a strength type of a mindset going into it, I feel like that's a much more effective way to utilize a circuit training.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Here's my problem with circuit training is this because here's the biggest problem with circuit training is for whatever reason, people understand with traditional resistance training more so that programming is important. So when, not everybody, because there's still a lot of people that don't understand exercise programming. But when you're doing straight sets and stuff,
Starting point is 01:18:13 people tend to focus more on, okay, I need to do the right exercises, the right order, focus on the right body parts. All of a sudden, when people do sicker training, that goes out the fucking window. It's all of a sudden, it doesn't matter. Just throw a bunch of exercises together. Yeah. And as long as you're sweating. Yeah, combo just doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Yeah, you're burning a lot of calories. That's all that matter. I blame a lot of us fitness professionals for that, man. Yeah. For putting in too fucking creative. Yeah, well, you start putting emphasis on the program being how challenging can you make it and how much can you break the client
Starting point is 01:18:42 versus you actually trying to actually put some thought into the programming. Here's, I mean, circuit training, I still use it, like, handful of times a year. And the way I decide I'm gonna use it is like, when I'm limited on time. It's like, that's a, for me, that's a perfect time to use it. It's like, it shouldn't be something, in my opinion,
Starting point is 01:19:01 that you do on a very regular basis, the body will get adapted, you don't get the benefits of the straight sets, like you just circuit training is kind of for overall muscle building and fat burning, it's weak, it's weak in comparison, building the metabolism, it's just, it's weak for that, it's not an ideal way to train at all. Now, there's many times though, we're in a hotel.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Yeah, I was just gonna say. You know, we're in a hotel and we're traveling, or I got a small 30 minute window before I got to go Be somewhere else and I wanted to stay on my consistency of lifting and so don't have a whole lot of heavy weights Accessible right exactly. I don't have I don't have a barbell and so I got a bunch of little light dumbbells Like great time to do some circuit training so I can get a great effective workout Body hasn't seen that type of training for a while so get some nice little benefits from it and then go back to my normal training I have access to the gym and you guys sort of see a form of that in maps performance
Starting point is 01:19:52 With the kettlebells and and you know, and this is Like a great way to to use a circuit With kettlebells. I feel like it's a great tool for that because of the transitions with kettlebells, I feel like it's a great tool for that because of the transitions are very smooth and you could align exercises and pair them together nicely to where you still maintain control, which is one of the biggest criticisms I have with a lot of different circuit training programs out there is they don't emphasize that fact enough that you have to still maintain composure even though you're going through this grueling kind of endurance type of a workout
Starting point is 01:20:33 to where that's not a high value as far as the form diminishing. It's not like immediate, like, well, let's, okay, let's calm down. It's more like, well, just fucking grind your way through it. It's all about how hard it is and how much you sweat. And it's like that with regular workouts, too. It's just not as bad. Like I said earlier, this emphasizes a lot more.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Like I said earlier, even with regular straight set type workouts, there's at least enough people who are like, okay, I need to have good technique, good form, I need to feel the movement, I need to practice the exercise. But almost everybody, I've seen circuit training. That doesn't matter, it's all about how much you could sweat, how hard it is. And so they just have hazardly throw a bunch of movements together with no rest. I will say this, with good programming, the right exercises in combination and with good form and technique, circuit training is an extremely effective way to get lean in a short period of time.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Your body adapts pretty quickly. is an extremely effective way to get lean in a short period of time. Your body adapts pretty quickly, but in a short period of time, like a two to four week period, if you do a write and program a write, you burn a shit ton of fat in a short period of time. This is how we designed Maps Hit. Maps Hit is basically circuits in hit style fashion, but programmed very well. And the whole program is short. We tell people in the program, it's the only program that comes with a warning.
Starting point is 01:21:48 That's right. The only program that we tell you, do not just keep running this program. It's exactly what you're saying. It's like, hey, I've got this little four weeks away. I'm gonna be somewhere. That's right. How would I get lean and shredded
Starting point is 01:21:59 just for those four weeks? Knowing damn well that it's not the most ideal way for me to be training long term. How do I use that? Because that's true. I mean, we all have be training long term. How do I use that? Because that's true. I mean, we all have that. I mean, I know I've been in that situation where all of a sudden last minute we decide,
Starting point is 01:22:10 hey, next month we're going to Vegas and like we book a trip and it's like, okay, I've got four weeks exactly for me to get in the best shape. Like absolutely, this tool is being used here. That's right. But the programming needs to be good. You need, it definitely needs to be intense, but it needs to be intense to the point where your form starts to become less than perfect. And then you move movements or you stop.
Starting point is 01:22:32 It's not go until you drop. This is how everybody else treats circuits. Circuits are treated like you fucking go until you can't move anymore and you get a badge of honor or a medal if you're fricking the harder you go and the more you can't move and the more you blast yourself or make yourself puke, terrible, absolutely terrible. If that's the case, then the exercise order and programming literally doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Of course it doesn't matter, because you don't care, it's all about the intensity. I was always like, if that's your mentality, you might as well, like what we used to, which is hilarious, this is another thing that like brings me right back to like being just complete idiots, like challenging each other in trainers. I know our guilty of this.
Starting point is 01:23:10 I remember me and Ronny were like, going through this process of like, what would be the hardest thing you could construct in like five minutes? And it was always like, okay, I'm gonna be inside the sauna doing burpees, you know, and like all these different exercise lunge jumps, whatever it was, like under extreme heat,
Starting point is 01:23:30 and then his was like sprinting on one of those tread, those stepmills, for his, like, it's just like, it's extreme thinking, and it's assing in. Like at a certain point, you have to realize, like what you're doing, it's like- Well, and our bodies are brilliant machines, man. They're resilient and they will try and figure out how to like survive that. And it will cause you to kill yourself easily.
Starting point is 01:23:52 Right. And it forces your body to have to burn a ton of calories to try and figure it out. But once it figures it out and it adapts, the other benefits that the circuit training provides is very, very minimal in comparison to your traditional strength training. So absolutely, like anything else, it's a tool that can be used. It's also why we separated in a program. We put a warning to it. Like, here you go. Like, you can use that as a tool, implement it into your routine. But I do not think that you should be doing. You know, it's, it's what's unfortunate about seeing a lot of these classes
Starting point is 01:24:25 that are blowing up right now. You see the soul cycles and the orange theories and these boot camp type of classes all over the place. And it's exploding right now. It's the space to be in and fitness is to own these buildings. Now, I think it's gonna be short lived. I think you're gonna continue to see people
Starting point is 01:24:42 not see the long-term results. You'll see short-term results. Absolutely. You sign up for one of those places and you bust your ass on a fucking soul cycle for five days a week, for four weeks, you better believe your body will probably burn some fat, but good luck on maintaining that for the rest of your life and see what happens when your body adapts and then what happens from where do you go from there. And so that's what you got to be careful with this type of mentality.
Starting point is 01:25:05 If you think you're making some mistakes with your circuit training, we actually have a free guide that talks about hit training, which is very similar. If you go to mindpumpfree.com, you can download the hit training guide, and in it I highlight the three biggest mistakes
Starting point is 01:25:21 that people, that's a great read for this topic. People tend to make with this type of training. it's at MindPumpFree.com. Thank you for listening to MindPump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at MindPumpMedia.com. The RGB Superbumble includes maps on a ballad, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased, expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels, and performs.
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