Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 883: The Truth About Fat Burners, the Best Way to Conduct Group Fitness Classes, the Pros & Cons of Low Rep Isolation Movements & MORE

Episode Date: October 19, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how to not feel like a hypocrite when running boot camps, the pros and cons to going into business alone or with a partner, how to approach isolation exercises when training in a low rep range and their opinion on using CLA and L-Carnitine as an aid to burning fat. Want to get Justin to do something, make it a game and time him. (5:07) The Singularity. Sal’s son new school project: Podcaster. (6:38) The most brilliant writing ever, Big Mouth. (13:40) Adam making nervous bets. (17:10) Bradley Martyn bruising Adam’s ego and the fallout from it. (20:02) A way to give back and communicate with your audience, Instagram Q&A. (28:44) The tremendous amount of time that is wasted due to inefficiency in various markets and online platforms like Thrive Market that are disrupting them. (30:50) Letting the fox in the hen house. Amazon’s control over all brands. (39:45) Is Walmart too big to fail? The needed competition with Amazon. (41:58) Robots and AI taking over and doing amazing things. (43:40) Way too addictive: Skinny Dipped almonds. (48:35) The guys share their favorite scary movies. (49:58) #Quah question #1 - How can I not feel like a hypocrite when running boot camps? (53:25) #Quah question #2 - What would you say are the pros and cons to going into business alone or with a partner? (1:10:06) #Quah question #3 - How do you approach isolation exercises when training in a low rep range? (1:23:40) #Quah question #4 – Do you have an opinion on using CLA and L-Carnitine as an aid to burning fat? (1:30:58) People Mentioned: Bradley Martyn (@bradleymartyn)  Instagram Dr. Michael Ruscio (@drruscio)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Ben Pakulski ® | Official (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Tom Bilyeu (@tombilyeu)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Dr. Justin Brink (@premiere_spine_sport)  Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: Skinny Dipped  **Enter the code “MINDPUMP”  for 20% off** Thrive Market **Free 1 month membership, 25% off first order  Plus free shipping on orders of $49 or more** October Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic ½ OFF! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** MAPS Fitness Projects Big Mouth | Netflix Official Site Largest Organic Retailers in North America Pizza Hut is working on self-driving delivery trucks The Rocky Theme takes this Boston Dynamics Atlas robot parkour video to the next level of hilarity Maps Prime Pro Bundle - Mind Pump How to Win at the Sport of Business: If I Can Do It, You Can Do It – Book by Mark Cuban Mind Pump Free Resources

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programs and discount them, make sure to go check out mapsfitinistproducts.com. Just as last, first. I even have this attached here. I was trying to get a thrive market, man. Yeah, jeez, man. Who invited the new guy? So, yeah, yeah. Who invited the new guy?

He hates, you know, it's funny, Justin was that kid that you could probably get Justin to do anything if you timed him and told him it was a race. Yeah, that's it. Dude,. You know what I'm saying? Dude, why do you think I hate CrossFit so much? Is it? Really? I'll race you the corner.

I'm like that guy that just gets suckered into that. Were you like that as a kid? Like if you're dad's like, okay, I got to stop watching. Let's see how fast you can wash my car. Go, your brother already finished. No, he did it. I'm just like hustling it as fast as I can. It's a trick of me to do in chores.

Bro, every time. By the way, that's a very effective way of getting your kids a do shit. Oh, I do it to my youngest. He's got to, I don't know if it's a younger characteristic because I was the younger son. Right, try to keep up with the older brother. Always try and outdo my brother.

Always. Yeah, that's so great. I do it on my kids. I do that on my, well, it doesn't work on my boy anymore, of course. And I was too old. My daughter, now she on my well It doesn't work on my boy anymore of course and I was too old my daughter Now she just gets mad don't time me because that because if I timer then she's come so much pressure Yeah, cuz then she's come pal but when they were younger it was hilarious I'm like oh everybody ready. Let's see how fast you can clean up your toys go and I pretend like I'm watching the top of the clock And they be going all fast and hustling. Yeah, ten seconds left. I don't care Make a game out of it right. It's just it's just it's just it's weird to funny thing about human it still works on Justin that

I mean not with everything so don't get all excited dude. Oh, I forgot to tell you guys what so my son is one is Part of his homework and one of his classes guess what what he has to do. What? Record a podcast. What? Yes! No way. Yes, dude, help us with that. How great is it? You're gonna let him come in here.

He's gonna have like super great quality. Well, so I thought about it. Come on, dude, that's part of being a dad. It has to be a podcast. You gotta hook him up. Dude, we're just, we're gonna overhand all the other students. Hold on a second, relax. Just squash them.

It's a place. Doug's gonna produce it up through some sound students. Hold on a second, relax. Just wash them. It doesn't replace. Does it produce it up through some sound effects? No, he has no chance. He has to do it. He has to do it. Come on. Hold on, let me finish right now. So he did, so first of all,

the episode needs to be under three minutes. So there's not really much he can do in three minutes. He needs to interview two people, which he already did. And the interviews he did with his buddies were in the pavilion or whatever the school where everybody's doing it. So that's already been done.

But what I am doing is I'm coaching him through the intro, the transition, the outro, and it's so funny. So I told him, I said, so I had him listen to our podcast and how it starts, you know, with the music, whatever. Yeah. And so I said, let me intro your show.

Like I'm a dude introducing, you know, you as the. And so I said, let me intro your show, like I'm a dude introducing, you know, you as the host of the new popular, he calls the podcast a singularity, by the way. The singularity. It's a tech podcast. And the question he's asking his friends, he's asking his friends, do you think gaming, you know, like video gaming or whatever, is should be considered a sport. And so we got two people, one guy answered yes, and one guy said, these kids are smart as fuck now. I would not think to be doing shit like that and asking questions like that.

So it's very, very intelligent. So it's really cool, right? So I did the intro forum, like, welcome to the Singularity podcast, and here's your host, whatever. So he's gonna slap the robots. So he's gonna kill us all. So he has this, what's a tech podcast?

How great is that name? So he has, there's this program that they're all required to use to edit it. So, because I thought, oh, shit, can we do it? My son, so I guess he knows about this stuff already. Like, this is a crap program. We could totally use, he named us some other stuff. I'm like, I don't even know that stuff.

But anyway, he has to edit it himself and do all that other stuff on his own. So, bro, you have to still let him come in and use the studio. So, he could still do a little jump in on his podcast. So, it's recorded through his computer. I don't know how we would do that. I was thinking about it. I was thinking about bringing him over here

and having him use the mics and be able to put it through their program. The kid is getting ready to do a project about podcasting. His dad is a famous podcaster. How could you not? If I was a carpenter and they had like, you know, a project to build a little mini house,

you don't think that that would be like a little mansion. Yeah. You know any elevators? Yeah. No, you know. Even so, like, it's what you do. So what you do for a living, like, that's just like, for a kid that's gotta be such a cool thing.

I know, so I'm, you gotta hook him up with the fucking best sound and the best everything. Well, I'm working, you can still do it himself. Here's the thing, exactly, because I'm fighting the urge,

every parent has this urge when you have your kids do projects, especially as they get older, where you wanna do it literally for them. Like, no, that's not how you, yeah, that's not how he's gonna learn. He has to do it on his own, but I am involved. I am coaching him and it's a nice bonding experience and I'm having him listen to segments of our podcast

so we can see what to do. So what we did already is I recorded the little short intro and then he introduces himself, so this is part of his show and he wrote the script and he's reading it off and I'm listening to him like, he's got some confidence. Like the way he, you know the way he's doing it off. And I'm listening to him like, oh, he's got some confidence. Like the way he, you know, the way he's doing it. I'm like, that's not bad. That's pretty good.

I see a little bit of talent there. That's why I think it'll be cool. And get him in here and start, I mean, how cool would it be to help produce like the first like kid podcast and your son ends up being like a podcast? Well, I had, so I'm thinking, come on, yeah.

Well, I'm thinking is what I want to do, what I may want to do is have them come in here and do the parts where he's on his own in here because the sound is so good, but the recording of the interviews they are, the way they are because they were, this friends, you know what I mean? So, unless we schedule time for all of them,

all the command bets, probably not gonna happen. They do all that on campus. I would totally be game for that. I think it would be cool to have him come in here with us. How cool would that be? It's just funny, it's in our space. His friend is sitting like one of the chairs. Yes, dude, how cool is that?

It's only three minutes. So this is the problem. You know, we're doing an intro. Him introducing himself then and then we have one interview in between, he's gonna do a transition, you know, okay, so that was me talking to whatever. And you know, his opinion was this, you know, my next guest is opinions a little bit different.

Let's see what you agree with or whatever, you know, he's gonna come up with his own, you know, transition. Then it goes in the next one and then the outro. There's not a lot of room. Three minutes. There's nothing. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, anyway, I still think it's cool, right? It's very cool.

What I find cool about it is that his school is having to make a podcast. No, it's amazing. Like that's just showing that it's becoming more relevant in the public. Yes, it's not, you know, at some point, you would make a radio show or something back in the day or whatever in school. It's not like that anymore. And this is part of their homework,

is that they have to learn how to record this podcast. If you look at the sheet, it says all the stuff that helps them get a good grade, which is no sound in the background, you know, good voice projection, you'd have to be on topic. I'm reading this thing. I'm like, this teacher has a good idea of what podcasting is really like. Then they have to edit it themselves, so they have to figure out how to do the cut the clips and edit them and put them together and slap the intro at the beginning and the

outro at the end. Fucking great, man. How cool is that? It's way cool. So exciting. How neat is that though that was almost four years ago now when we were all sitting around talking about podcasting? And I remember when we first started,

and if I told somebody about, like most people I'd say podcasting, like I have no idea what that even was. I know. Much less do I listen to one. It's like the worst name if you think about it. It's like, you pod, like iPod and pod and like podcast was like, what the fuck is that?

Like just why don't they just call it like online radio? Well, I think they're trying to like broadcast, right? They're trying to play on that word. It's not broadcast in the same way. It's up, it's up. I guess it's a stupid name. It's a dumb name. It's a dumb name. What would you guys call it?

Probably, I don't know, internet radio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's my name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Something along, something along those lines. I think it's just digital talking. Oh, and filtered talking. Digital talk radio.

Computer. That sounds better. Digital talk radio. Digital radio. Yeah. Well, digital radio. You know what? The thing about radio though, when you say radio, it's a nice, the reformula. But at the same time, I think for a while there,

there was a little bit of competition, but now there's no more competition. We know what's happening in a radio. They all have their own podcast on the site. Radio, a little site. You guys ever listen to radio? Yeah. It's hilarious.

It's terrible. They were making a joke on Bigmouth about that. Or did you see that scene? What was it? What is it? KKUFM! No, there was a scene where she's like listening to the radio and the radio guys.

Like if you're listening to this, you must be and he gave like two places and I start laughing. They're like the most like, you can think about it, you're like, oh my god, those are like the only places that someone would be playing videos. That's true. You're probably a truck driver. That show, exactly.

I think that's one of the things he said. That show Bigmouth has to be the most brilliant writing I've ever seen that captures adolescents so intelligently. You have to have a dark. Characterizes the whole thing. Yeah. Oh, it's just so smart.

You have to have a dark sense of humor in order to get through the crudeness of it to understand and see the brilliance. Yeah, because I kind of has to be crude. Yeah, I mean going through that process. No, no, no, I agree with you I'm just saying that the the average person if you don't have crude humor or you don't have a dark sense It could turn you off. It could turn you off right away and you won't get into the show enough to see like the brilliance behind it I 100% think it's a brilliant show. But point of this step, this season, they pushed the balance.

It's so smart because what they did is they took, who, the guy who wrote it, I know Nick Crowley. There's Nick Crowley. There's other Delaney. I'm not sure. Delaney is another comedian. Anyway, it's so smart because what they did is they took out a lessons and they have these

Car-tune characters and they have a hormone monster That is like their buddy, but that is a brilliant way for them to Separate and explain what your hormones do to you at that age and so for the guys it's like this really horny filthy You know terrible hormone monster that says the most inappropriate Terrible shit wants to jerk off to everything. Everything. Just terrible, right? But they characterized it so well with this monster.

And then the girl's hormone monster makes her like angry and her mom and super emotional, super emotional. What the fuck's going on with me? And then one of the girls is like, has this poster of this like romance novel guy who's like 40 something years old and she just envisions him like, I love speaking to you all night long. You know, and it's like, it's so accurate. And then they have a shame wizard that shows up in season two, who as an adolescent, can you remember feeling shameful for all these weird feelings that you would get?

Of course. Yeah. It was so good. No, no, it's, it's, it's well written. It really is. It's not just a crude show But it will come off that way if you don't have that sense of humor I think we all have a dark sense of humor So because I get I'm watching it sometimes like oh like Katrina far We were watching last night and we're laying in bed and and she's like are you still watching this right now? I'm like yeah, no, I'm watching if you just had to laugh. I was like so intently watching Well far they were pushing the limits. I was like, yeah, no, I'm watching it. If you just had to laugh, I was like so intently watching the how far they were pushing the limits.

I was like, oh my god. You're right, though. If you get past all the crudeness, like there was a few, I'll pause the episodes a few times and I'll stop and I'll look at Jessica and I'll be like, so brilliant how they captured. Like there's a scene in season two, you haven't got there yet, but they do this school retreat

where all the kids, you know how schools do this where they go spend the night somewhere and the kids are all sleeping bags or whatever. And each one of the kids has a shame wizard or the same shame wizard. And although all the kids are different, they all feel insecure about something and they capture it so fucking well.

Like there's the gay kid who doesn't feel like he belongs with the boys or the girls. And then there's the popular girl and her shame wizard. And then there's the one kid that goes to puberty quickly and he's really big and already kind of mature, but he feels awkward and embarrassed by it. And then there's that one boy who still hasn't gone to puberty and he's embarrassed about that.

And it's like all these different things, like, well, you realize, we all kind of feel the same shit when we're going through that age, even though we think we're the only ones. Right, right. So good. No, no, it's so smart. It is good.

Dude, so what's, were you in a mood or something last night? Why? We saw you do that whole, like, Q and A thing. You're going to miss it, man. You're going to miss it, man. People love when I do that. Yeah, but you were firing some shots across the pala there. What were you doing?

Like, I'm flying. Are you talking about the Bradley Martin jab? Yeah, let's go. A little bit. I was being a little bit of a dick. All right, I'll admit that, you know, I was talking to Katrina last night. We're watching the football game, which side note, that was a crazy game last night. Is this where you're cheating downstairs now?

Yeah, it's definitely. Yeah, I was actually watching and then finish it. Like, oh, are you kidding me? You didn't finish that game? No, because I was out. I want to punch you the dick right now. Dude, that would it, you know what that ended up being a 43 to 40 game. Oh my god.

It was, it was insane with a, with a, a last minute green Bay in the Niners. And then, oh, wait, who won? So the green Bay won. But here's okay. Let me tell you why it was such a intense game game for me. And I'll get to the Bradley Martin thing in a second. But so I bet a three team teaser

This this last weekend, so I bet on football every weekend. I was Minus 600 going in going into the Monday night game Or excuse me into the Sunday night game and so I'm down 600. I progress I bet progressively So if I'm down and I've lost two bets in a row, I keep doubling up the bet. So I've got a 2000, I'm laying 2000 down on a three team teaser. What that means is I need all three of those to hit. Now the advantage to someone who's betting, it allows me to manipulate the points. So the Vegas comes up with odds, and when you're betting three things, you're allowed to tease the points up or down six points.

So I took that Sunday night, it was the Chiefs game, and I took the over, and I took the Chiefs to cover, and that was the kind of the nervous bet that I had. And then I had Green Bay and the Niners for my third bet, and that was gonna be my lock bet, because I was able to tease the Green Bay Packers to give them a plus point. So the Packers were supposed to roll the Niners.

That was supposed to be my quote unquote lock bet. So I win this made a fight out of it. Oh man, I win the first two bets. I'm going in a money and I already talking about my win, you know, like I've got this in the bag. Like there's no way green Niners are banged up. They got a backup quarterback right now. Beat hard.

Dude, just as I pronounce it. No, it's better Right. Yeah, I think I read it as beat harder So the nine or nine come out leading they're like leading the whole game Yeah, I'm like stressed as fuck. I was like that. This was a guarantee. Love. I'm gonna lose two thousand dollars on these damn Niners because they're playing the best game of their life all of sudden with their backup quarterback Oh, it's Monday night, you know, you gotta get a performance But anyways, they they they win. I won so it was cool. So you won two grand So I so I bet two grand to win 1500 so I won 1500. I was down 600 so whatever was it?

John Adam 900 whatever Anyways, so I'm I'm into the game and then also like I'm intently texting back and forth and Katrina's like who you talking to right now? I'm like, oh, I'm talking to Bradley she goes Martin and I go yeah, I said She goes why what what about because she could tell that I was going back and forth with him I was like, well, I was kind of a dick. She's like, why would you be addicted him? I'm like, well, kind of piss me off And she's like, what do you mean he pissed you off? And I'm like, well, I said, I don't know. I said, maybe, uh, maybe bruise my ego a little bit. She's like, come on.

You let some young guy like that bruise your ego, she goes, I am buying it. What's the deal? And I go, well, you know, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's like, I'm just, I'm more judicious about my time. And so there's just not a lot of people that I have the opportunity to communicate with via text. And what I mean by this is we've been blessed and honored to have now probably in the hundreds, right? We're probably close to over a hundred people, I believe, that we've had come through this show.

And many of them, I've built really good relationships with. And many of them, I wish I had more of a relationship with I just don't It's impossible. I've never in my life been in this position where I Feel like there's these brilliant people that are amazing that I want more of them and we're on this Tech no space and there's just no space. There's no time. So I feel same I told her I said maybe maybe it's because my ego was bruised because he didn't respond to a text message that I sent to him.

And I sent him a really heartfelt text message in regards to what he was going through and his last YouTube video that he had done like a week or two ago. You're like, you're like on a girl text a guy, like her boyfriend. And that's what Katrina was giving me a hard time. I love you.

Because as she goes, you know, it comes off that way when you do that. And I said, no, I get that. And I said, and I know that I poked him in an area that I know that he identifies with his persona that he has built on social media. So I know to attack him or poke him on social media really probably was going to sting a little media. So I know to attack him or poke him on social media, really probably was gonna sting a little bit.

And I did, and he definitely responded to me right away. And so if I just make up, we're cool. We're fine, but I think I acted out because my ego was bruised over that. And it is, it's simply because, listen, I mean, there's other people I could be texting and talking to that, I think that selfishlyly would be good for, to be in my life more. But the reason why I have a soft spot for him is because I see much of myself in him.

We have a very similar childhood story. He's about 10 years younger than I am. I see a lot of the things that he's going through. And I have compassion for that. And I am not, I believe that I've been rewarded and blessed with all the relationships that we've had come through here. And I've selfishly been able to consume a ton of people and a ton of information. And because of that, I feel the desire

to give back to some people. And when I meet people that I feel I have something to give to them, I feel compelled. And I think that I was irritated because he didn't value that. And so I acted out like a child and I poked at him on Instagram, you know, because I know that like for me, like I don't think it was,

like I said he was on my shit list, right? Like on my Insta story, somebody, and it all was happened fast It wasn't like this methodical and more cheeky than anything. Okay, so thank you. I felt like that's I thought I did it in a playful way It wasn't like I wasn't trying to no no, yeah, and he and he come across the malicious He took it like I was trying to really you know Attack his character and I was like no First of all I tagged, I tagged him.

I tagged him knowing that he was going to read it. I was, if I was talking shit about somebody like that, well, first of all, I would never talk shit about somebody and not tell them to their face. It's just not my style. But I wasn't, it was more, he's on my shit list. What is that? Something your dad says to you, your kid, right?

And that's what I told him. I said, no, don't think of it like that. I said, think of it kind of like an older brother slapping you on the back of the head. That's what it was. And that's what I told him. I said, no, don't think of it like that. I said, think of it kind of like an older brother slapping you on the back of the head. That's what it was. And that's what I said. What I said. Yeah, that made a lot of great comparison.

Yeah. He was definitely upset. I mean, he went back and forth with me for a while in text message, but I'm just like, listen, kid. Like, I don't, you know, I don't have the time to, and I know you're a busy fuck too. Like, I understand he's busy. And so, you know, I think it was over a week and a half before you know I had said something for him not like responding and it's probably

only because I took the time to write something heartfelt wasn't like yo bro what do you do in Saturday yeah it was like I I recognize something that he was going through I too have been there before I see lots of areas in his business that I can help him and give him advice and mentor and I sent it in a very heartfelt Said and then he and he didn't acknowledge it. That's probably that's why that's why it's of course of course And so I told that's what I told Katrina I said so my ego was probably bruised a little bit and I said so you know I did that to him and it was it was a little jab. I was being a dick. I know I was being a dick

But hey, you know here's the thing man, a lesson, hopefully, was learned in that situation because on the type of guy that what I would have, what I could have done is just now never talk to him, never respond to him, never reach out, but because I feel compassion for him. There's some value there. It's, I'm similar. I think we're all kind of like that.

I'll give somebody everything, the shirt off my back. The second I feel like you take advantage of me or don't respect me, I just cut you off forever. And that's just how I operate. We've had relationships like that with people who we've worked with, who come on the show or whatever, and then afterwards be disrespectful. And then that's cool, you just done.

You just were never gonna have a network. I just think about the Mike Rusios, the Mike Matthews, the Ben Pekolsky's, the Ben Greenfields. And I mean, the list just goes on and on and on. Paul Chak's like the Tom Bill use. I mean, I have incredible relationships with all of these men that I wish

that I could spend even more time with and don't have the time to communicate with them that much. So when I reach out to someone like that who I'm not getting anything selfishly, like I don't want anything from you kid, I don't need you to do anything for me. It's I see something in you that I have compassion for because I see a much of myself

and I'm trying to lend a hand out. And I'm the type of person where I'll lend that hand out a few times. And it's okay if you don't take it, I get it, put to not acknowledge it and to kind of blow me off like that. Like that's okay, like that's the, yeah, the for sure bother me. So I mean a side note on that just made me think about how would a tough way to make a living based almost solely on Instagram.

Like that's my, that would be the social media. You're portrayed persona, not even like your like every day cell. What a tough one to provide. It's a tough one to provide real value through. I see a lot of people going down this path, man. And it's a, it's a, it's the worst. It's a platform and it's an important one because lots of people are on it.

But it's not the, it's definitely one that I wouldn't, if I had to pick which platform to find my success, that would be at the bottom. Yeah. It's hard to provide a lot of value with Instagram and it's so fleeting, it's a tough one, you know what I mean? Well, you could even see how much it bothered him because of how he responded,

the way he responded to me via text when we were going back and forth, I was like, man, I knew that I would poke, I knew I was poking at him, but I didn't realize how much it was going to affect him because, man, he really does care that much about what people say on social media. I don't give a fuck, respond, say some shit about me.

You know what? You know what? I don't, it's social media. I care about what people who meet me in real life think about it. Well, also think about it this way though. So, we made our bones through podcasting. We have other platforms too,

but this is what we built everything and this is where we continue to build things. If somebody says something about you in a negative way, something that's not true, I have an hour and a half to two hours to explain myself and talk and communicate on the podcast and do it with a lot of discussion and value. With Instagram, it's short sound bites, and somebody attacks your character on Instagram. It's very difficult to come back at them with that short little sound by, it just looks like drama and it just looks like bullshit.

Whereas with podcasting, it's different. It's funny, I was having this conversation. I would have called me back right back out, that's what I would have done. I would have been like, oh, Adam's crying because I didn't return his text message. Like I would have like totally jabbed back at me and I would have totally received that.

Yeah, because I was. You know, I'm poking at you. I think you did the right thing to contact you though. Personally. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what he was mad because I didn't follow up again. I'm like, well, I'm not what I am not. I'm not the guy who's fucking, I'm not the chick that's gonna text you seven times

with no response. I got better things to do with my dad. And it only came up because somebody asked, like one of the things I do, and I try and do this for the audience as much as I can. Like I set a goal for myself personally to try and do it once a week,

where I do these Q and A's because I get a lot of a lot of response and people. I still haven't done one, I need to do it. I gotta do it. I definitely think that like at least my following really enjoys that. How long does that take you? Cause I know it takes, it's quite an hour or so.

No, you had to get a day in the day. You had to get a day in the day. The day I'm doing it, I'm doing it for four or five hours like straight. So I do it on, try and time it on days when I know that one, I got home early and Katrina's not gonna be home later so I had this gap of where I could like literally be plugged into my phone for four hours straight

because I can't even get to all of them. Like there's probably a hundred people I didn't get to answer on there, but I try and answer, my goal is to get through as many as I can. And so I'm just like quick answers. They're quick and they're witty and whatever. It's actually quite brilliant way to touch your people. I love it.

I love it. I think it is a really neat way. You can tell it's me. If anybody who listens to the show can tell it's me, it's not like, and I think that's what people enjoy about it is, we don't get to interact with our people that much. I'm definitely not somebody who likes to talk to,

it's the story all the time, but I do find this is a cool way to give back and allow people to communicate with me and get really a response from me personally. And so my goal is to like plow through as many as I can and respond to them. And so his pop, someone literally just said, like, you know, what do you think about Bradley Martin? And that was like, fresh on my mind

because fucker hadn't responded to me. And like, so I just threw it. Oh yeah, here I go. That's really quick jab, you know what I'm saying? But in my, the way I was leading was more playful, but I definitely, you know, I think I, I've found him. And I got nothing but love for you Bradley. So if you're listening to this podcast and,

or you get wind, I'm sure everything gets around. It's like high school once you get to this level level or I once you're at this point where so many people listen to all the fitness people, it's like, you know, right away, you know, people will go talk about it. People say something. Yeah. So I got, I have a lot of love and respect for this guy. I think his, I think his heart is in the right place and he's doing a lot of good things

and I, and I hope that I can help one day play some sort of a role in helping making that even better for him. Yeah. Hey, just a change gears here. You know, as I was driving over here this morning, two things, you know, popping in my head. One is the state of insane traffic that we now have in San Jose, which literally is probably the most stressful part of my day is driving through. It has gotten worse, hasn't it?

It's terrible. It's really bad. I've noticed, and I don't know if there's just more companies hiring and just bringing people into the area or what the hell's going on, but I know there's developments happening all near where I live now. So it is. It's getting like gridlock out there.

It's crazy. We have to blame Google and Facebook and Netflix. I don't blame that. I don't blame everybody. Yeah, it's pretty. I think there's so many jobs. Yeah. What I blame is shitty, you know, planning, city planning

and the inability of it's so difficult to build homes and houses in this highly regulated, do you know what I believe? Are we those Elon Musk tubes? I believe in our lifetime for sure that we will laugh at this period of time, we'll laugh at the traffic years. I was just gonna say that.

I believe, I believe in our time, we will sit back and we like, do you remember that you used to sit? You used to have to drive. You used to remember that you used to sit? You set the drive. You used to, you used to, you have to do a drive. You're angry. You used to drive five miles across town and it could take you 45 minutes. You know, stupid it was.

We did that. Like, we will, we will sit back and talk about that. People, people, people do not realize, here's the thing about, that I love about economics. As many times, there's the unseen. There's things that you don't see, and so you think they don't exist. But what we don't realize, a lot of people don't realize, is the tremendous amount of waste that happens, and inefficiency, and non-productivity, the opposite of productivity, that happens because of traffic, because of commute. It's insane. If we eliminated the hours, it takes people to get to work,

the gas that it takes, the resources that it wastes, all that, if you eliminated all that, and people were able to connect and work more quickly, or be productive on the way to work, you're gonna see what's gonna happen when this becomes a reality. You're gonna see an explosion of economic productivity, because so much is wasted in this process.

And so as I'm driving here, I'm thinking about exactly that. I'm looking around thinking, this is not gonna last. And the second this really starts to change, we're gonna see shit explode, markets explode. And then I thought about, then I started to think, wow, how much is it gonna change? Like stores, like actual storefronts and places that you drive to.

And like, are we gonna even, we're not gonna even ever need to go anywhere. It's already sort of eliminating a lot of retails. Like, you just see the chains going out, you know, out of business, like left and right. It's interesting to see, like just because the convenience of being able to have it delivered to your house and also just, I mean, it's just so much more accessible.

And I see people, you know, who does this and it was really funny to me when I saw Tom this way, like Tom Billiw. So Tom Billiw lives in this fucking amazing, beautiful mansion up on the top of Hollywood Hills, right? Mahal and drive, right? And he, I don't know if he has a car. I don't think he has a car. He ubers everywhere, everywhere. And I remember the first time. He works while he's Uber. Yeah. And I'm like, you know what? That makes a lot of sense. Like when you think about someone at that level, like you're, you're probably considering a,

you know, $100,000 plus vehicle, when you break down what that would cost you monthly to maintain. Never have to find parking. You can work while you're in the car. Right. The cost of the Uber itself, if you do the math, if you actually do the math, of how much you spend and minus out what you would spend on gas, insurance, potential car payment, you're probably saving money. And he does those private jets too that are like kind of Uber, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's crazy to me because now,

you have like Amazon Prime that delivers to your house, right away, you have overnight delivery, you have like our sponsor Thrive Market, for example, right? Which they're basically an online, they're an online grocery store, they offer a lot more than that, but organic non-GMO products, you buy from them, they ship relatively quickly,

do you know how impossible that was? 10, 10, 15 years ago? Especially, you know, organic non-gymal products, you buy from them, they ship relatively quickly. Do you know how impossible that was 10 years ago? Well, I'm 15 years ago. Especially, you know how impossible that was, just five years ago for organic foods. It's great. I know. That's the thing that's really challenging is to be able to find that,

because that was like a specialty just 10 years ago. So that is something that's really unique. There's all the things that we would have to drive to go get is slowly becoming. When it gets to the point where you can order something, because it's going to happen, where you're going to be able to order something online and it's going to be at your door within an hour, they're fucked. Everybody's fucked. Because when I think about the time it takes me to drive to the store, you know, let's drive to Whole Foods, buy

this that and the other, you know, if I could just at that moment order something and they could deliver already, I already use delivery stuff anyway, but sometimes stuff pops up that you need right now, right? So you have to drive to the store. When that, when that's done, they're fucked, they're screwed, because and it's going to eliminate middlemen. I mean, this is why, like I said, you know, I know there are sponsors, but when you think about it, you look at the products that Thrive Market offers. Like do the math, look at how much they're charging for organic non-GMO products.

How are they able to charge less? Well, because there's no money. There's deals. Yeah, like on everything. Like just going through the dog products and everything. I'm like, oh yeah, they got wipes because like he's got those floppy ears that are always like get infected.

I'm like, oh, I'm gonna grab those. I'm gonna grab this like specific Organic food that we're gonna try this out and it's been like rad for that But there's just so many things that they're they're eliminating the need for you to really go You know physically to these places again, and I start thinking about like Christmas shopping like there's so many people that have not, I've basically Christmas shopped before. So we're Katrina and I are on year three now that, year three. So for the first like five years of our relationship,

it was like the old fashioned way shop. We're gonna store our shop. And I remember after the first year that we did Amazon, you know, like a couple weeks before like, you know, Black Friday and it gets crazy. Cause what's that cyber Monday is right after that. So we start like the week before that. And dude, it's so awesome.

You know, and the plus for, especially for Christmas shopping when you point out that, it comes in a box. You know what I'm saying? So then not only do you get the gift, the wishlessly keep adding to it. Dude, you just fucking rap. It's so much easier. I'm like, dude, I will never Christmas shop ever again

out there. It's crazy. Well, think about it this way too, because as I think about, as I think about and try to figure out the unseen consequences of, you know, and by the way, when the car was invented and, you know,

suburban areas were invented, that was a huge boom economically, but now we're at a point now where we need to move past that. And there's a lot, like I said, there's a lot of waste and inefficiencies that happen as a result of it and that'll be gone. And here's another one. Think about houses.

How much space is dedicated to parking your car? Parking your car in the garage. Nope, what happens when you know it's gonna happen when you no longer need a new room? You've got another rumor too. What about parking lots? What about parking lots? All that wasted space.

You know how much space is dedicated to parking your car? How much time is dedicated to trying to find parking? All that shit gone. Retail space, I think is gonna shrink tremendously. If you look forward in 50, 30 years, which is a long time, but even 20 years, you have to imagine that the total amount of retail space that exists is probably gonna reduce dramatically

as the demand for retail stores continues to drop and drop and drop and drop. And what you'll end up having is these big fulfillment centers like Amazon has with you know delivery that comes straight from there and I'm pretty sure at some point Should'll get delivered you door by drone. It's not gonna be we're almost there the science is already yeah Yeah, technology's already there. It's way it baffles me when I see like we just had a smart and final right up here from the studio Like you see all massive that is like the amount that that had to be in a multi multi million dollar project

to build that up like I don't know if I'm a company right now I'm investing that heavily in a brick and mortar type well imagine if you're well so whole foods get spot by Amazon so we could see with that transition going to be like eventually that's going to be thrives biggest competitor yeah that's I mean you know and kudos to thrive for being ahead of it because the race is on. And as of right now, thrive is the number one online. Yeah, they're the number one online leader. And so this is gonna be interesting to watch.

You know, and I love it because we win. We know all the consumers win. When they compete and fight for our money, it's great. You know what I think about and is, you know, in our space, being more specific to fitness is, the formula forever has been, gain traction, get an audience, get enough people around you,

pivot into a supplement company. And I'm so glad that we were so anti-doing that, because to me, it is only a matter of time before Amazon just fucks everybody. It's game over at one point. I mean, they're putting all the chips in place and it's only a matter of time before they flip that switch on

and they have the best product for the cheapest prices to your house faster than anybody else. And the reviews to back it up and prove it. They're almost like a global vending machine. Yeah, if you're a supplement company, how the fuck are you gonna compete with that? If you're a supplement company, how the fuck are you going to compete with that? If you're a mind pump and you start a mind pump. Well, so far what Amazon has done is actually increase the success and the viability of

a supplement. Of course they are helping them all. You know what it's like, a lot letting the fox in the in house, bro. Come on in. Come on in. Let me let us, let us calculate all your data and figure out what sells the most popular. And here's why, and here's why, because they control the shipping and the storing. Yes, they'll be able to charge the least. Yes, so they'll be able to get the same quality product. That's what I'm saying, they will be able to give you

a better product or as good of a product and get it to you faster for a cheaper rate. And it'll be easy to filter through what's the best because the star ranking and the reviews and you will feel very good about buying that supplement because it's like, oh shit, like there's 5,000 people on here that have done it and it's got a 4.5 star rating. And old brands are, they should be scared because the rating system destroys the whole brand loyalty thing. It kills it. Like if I go on Amazon and I want to buy an herb or a supplement or a cretin

and I see the old school guys that I remember and recognize EAS and all those brands and then I see a brand that I've never heard of but I see it's got five stars, it's got 75 reviews, I read the reviews are good, probably gonna buy it. In the past, I would have never bought it. I don't know that brand. I'm not gonna trust it, but now it's, so it's an interesting, it's interesting what's happening. I, you know what, I'm fascinating to see.

I'm fascinated to see how Walmart is gonna pivot. Cause Walmart, still to this day, is the largest employer in America, they're fucking massive. They have their own brilliant shipping, you know, the ways that they ship things and connect things and they have their own network. They're a massive behemoth of a company.

They've got to be looking at this and thinking to themselves. They may be too big to fail. Like so they, and just so you know too, Walmart is doing something, their answer right now. So they have this pickup thing and my buddy's done already so first of all if you didn't know organic is Walmart is the number one distributor of organic foods. Yeah

Yeah, number one so huge exactly and they now have this like pickup thing So you order everything on on online or whatever that you want and you pull up and then someone will come out and put it in your car Yep, nothing you know that it's already paid for them. Yeah, they just, you know, you have to get out of your car, you pull up to a parking spot there that's designated for this, they come out, they drop the groceries into your car, and then you come right back. So they're getting pretty close.

Now that's good until delivery's faster. Well, and that's, you know, I'm saying. They're that big that I believe that it will, they'll be able's, you know, I'm saying. They're that big that it, I believe that it will, they'll be able to pivot easily is what I'm saying. I hope, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I think, I think they'll battle Amazon. I mean, I don't think you, they're, they may be too big to fail. You know, you could, they could cut their stores

and have fire 50% of their employees and save millions of dollars. We need competition for them. Yeah, and talk, you know, talk about that. Like Walmart firing half the, the half their staff, percent of their employees and save millions of dollars. We need competition for them. Yeah. And talk about that. Like Walmart firing half the half their staff, whatever half their people, that would be a major, we would actually see a drop in our economy. I know.

That's not big of a company they are. No, no, no. That was pretty crazy. I saw a video on, did I see it with you guys? And I think it was Domino's. It was a Dominoes commercial. Oh, were there fixing the roads? No, no, no, no, no. They were testing a self-driving pizza delivery car.

Oh, that sounds about right. Did you guys see this? I don't know, maybe Doug, you can make it all. You're making a lot of interesting moves like that. Look up self-driving pizza delivery car. But they did have that initiative to fix. Like if you had like roads that were really bad and like poorly mismanaged or whatever they They wanted you to write in and then they would like

They would pay for it. Yeah, they'd pay for it. Of course if benefits them it benefits them to get there Just like a benefits, you know e-commerce companies. Yeah, it is Ford and Domino's test self-driving delivery cars So in the commercial the the car, you have an app, you order your pizza. The app shows you where the car is. It pulls up to your house. There's no one in the car. There's a little keypad on it.

You type in your code. The fucking thing gives you your pizza. Oh wow. And it fucking drives away, dude. And it drives away. Wow. How cool is that? That is pretty cool.

All foods are gonna be delivered that way. Think of that, right? It's gonna drive up, you're typing your code. It's like total recall or something. I feel like that's been in a movie or like, you know, some automated self-driving car was like delivering pizza. Yeah, what a trip.

And you guys saw that video of the, what was it, that machine? Oh, the robot. The robot doing parkour. Parkouring and jumping and. Bro, don't tell me that's not, that's not terrifying. Yeah, bro.

They had another one I should have showed you like there, there was a robot, it was just like running down the street and then it was like looking around the corner. And like you see this guy looking out of his window and he's looking at like what the fuck is this? Like it was like running down the street and then it stopped and was like looking in the window. How terrifying would that? Well, you know, you know what then it stopped and was like looking in the window. How terrifying with that

Well, you know, you know, it's gonna be we live like in the Silicon Valley Which is like tech capital the world, right? So a lot of the things that we get to see we get to see it Fairly early in comparison to the rest of the nation. So what's gonna be funny is when it's been here for like a year And it's been the norm and then like somebody brings a robot back like, back east somewhere, right? Or Sawa. It's just like, yeah. Yeah, and you're like, you're sitting on your porch,

smoking some weed, just chilling. You know what I'm saying? And have no clue about it. This is already evolved and we're here now. Oh my God. I don't think for a second one of the biggest investors in these walking, running parkour type robots is going to be the military.

You mark my words. Of course, they've got to be. Mark my words because robots don't say no, they don't get PTSD, they fucking, they're obviously much harder to kill and at some point probably will be cheaper. Dude, I've already showed like, so the hand gesturing technology with these little mini tank drones and then also the flying drones, like these guys will walk out with,

you know, these other soldiers and he would literally like take this little mini tank and like drive it through just like hand gesturing it around. It was a trip, man. Did you see the Boston Dynamics? We're watching that they have the one up there right now where he's moving the box away and the robots tryingesturing it around. It was a trip, man. Did you see the Boston Dynamics? We're watching that. They have the one up there right now, where he's moving the box away and the robots

trying to pick it up. How funny is that? Now, so have you guys seen the dog one that they made? Well, I've seen it with... It's on four legs. What's his face? He had a picture of it with him. Yeah, it's on four legs.

And what's that? There was an episode, I think, of Black Mirror with a robot dog that was going after the woman and killing her. Oh, yeah, it's so realistic. You could totally see that shit happening. Yeah. Anyway, super, it's funny.

Justin, we were having this conversation when we drove in your truck together. I think when we were going to Tahoe, how was it Elon Musk that said that machines never forget? So they'll remember? Oh yeah, yeah, I think that was a point he brought up in the podcast he did with Joe Rogan. Where are you saying that like, as far as like,

like that goes like, like, you're talking to Siri or you're talking to like this, this AI. Basically, all of that is catalog forever. So if you think about like the initial conversations you'd have with Siri, like, ah, basically all of that is catalog forever. So if you think about like the initial conversations you'd have with Siri, like, ah fuck you bitch, and me, me, me, me, me, me. The robots will remember. Remember that and like how you treated them.

Initially, now think about that. Like is that develops further? And like they sort of screen you as like a problematic or like, you know, somebody that's like, gonna be aggressive towards them. They'll know because they'll be like, you know, somebody that's like, gonna be aggressive towards them. They'll know because they'll be like, you know, no, I remember. No, you said, fuck you.

Actually, that's a great sci-fi movie. We're like a dude's at home and a robot shows up at his door and is like, we're gonna throw him in jail. Like, I didn't do anything. Like, actually, we've cataloged all of your behaviors and we predicted behavior. We'll tell us that, you know, at some point, you will be violent.

And they play it for you and shit and all the weird shit they say. They look bitch. It's just smoked weed for this episode. I didn't know we were going this direction. It freaks me out at night. That still keeps me up. You'll eat another bag of the skinny dick. I know as you say past those suckers already. You know I actually so we- They're way too addictive. Get away from it. No Katrina and I we agreed we were we just ran out our last one yesterday and she's like I think we should not order them for a while. I'm like, no, keep them.

I want them coming. What's your favorite flavor though? I'm definitely the coffee one, dude. The espresso chocolate one. Yeah, I can't do the chocolate peanut butter. I'm like, I can't get better than that. Yeah, super good. Well, it's those ones are like candy to me.

They're so sweet and good. I feel like the at least the coffee the espresso chocolate ones. I feel like it's a He'll a little bitter actually I feel like it's a healthy good treat You know that I feel like I can justify having and then I also make sure I order the single packs That's key for me. Oh, yeah, that's good move because it limits your hand grabbing. Yeah, so because then he limits himself. Yeah, it's three packs. No, just no. I'm good. Like I, I'll go down. We keep them in that we like them cold. How many calories is a full? 220 calories. No, it's not. It's not bad. You manage yourself and it's a good amount. It's a good amount right there, but they

have the other size up, which is like 800 calories if you eat that whole thing. And I have done that a lot. I've sat down and crushed a whole big bag of it. And I'm like, okay, we can't order that anymore. We have to order the small ones because it can get out. I've been eating those and watching scary movies. Yeah, what's up with you and scary movies? I don't know. I don't know.

I'm drawn to it for some reason. I guess it's because I hadn't watched it in so long. And then there's all these creepy options. And I'm like Hmm, that looks weird, you know, let's check this out and it turns into like the most horrific Psychological terror like I've seen and you know the long time. I want to watch a scary movie a good one Though a fucking terrifying one with you guys so bad Fuck especially Adam

At almost so bad somebody asked me that on my my questions last night They asked like you know my favorite horror films I'm like I don't watch scary movies. I said when I watch movies I do it because I want to relax if I want to feel anxious for two hours. I'll go right a fucking roller coaster Yeah, that's just have you what have you ever seen one? Of course. What's the scariest one you've ever watched? Is there anything that fucking just stuck with you? Chain saw massacre was pretty scary First one was awesome. Yeah, I watched it as a kid, right?

So I watched it. That's not a good movie to watch as a kid. No, I remember. I remember, so my friends when I was younger, that was the... The interestist, you know, the thing about teenage boys all growing up together. And I'm the only one who does scary movies.

So of course, we watch scary movies. Because everybody thought it was the funniest thing ever to watch me squirm while I watch these stupid movies. Now that I'm a grown-ass adult, and I don't have to fucking try to appeal to my friends. I don't fucking watch them. So I'm not gonna fall for you wanting to watch it. To me and my buddy played the Ouija board at a cemetery. Oh my God, you guys. At a cemetery. We did. And you know what? It's, you know, the human psyche is pretty interesting because we're obviously terrified. I was like 15 maybe and we did it at the cemetery

because we fucking, oh it's gonna be fucking crazy. It's gonna be so scary, whatever. You will create shit in your mind. That's what you do, yeah. So, you know, I saw a demon, but I'm pretty sure I created it. I don't know.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't real. Yeah, you know what, the ring scared me. That was scary for me when I watched that. I watched that when it first came out. I was like, that was a scary movie. I watched that I watched that when it first came out like that was a scary movie I've watched quite a few scary movies, but I like I like movies scary movies were at the end I think something is a particular way and it completely twisted like six cents. Yeah, like where I'm like What the hell I did not expect I can watch like see I like suspense

Slash like twisted movies like that I like twisted movies, but I don't do good with the the boo Yeah, I don't like to be on edge. I don't like to be wondering like something's gonna jump out any minute now I was the best and feel that way from me to a haunted house Like a real like a horn field. Yeah I believe we don't don't one of our malls close down and this month and actually turn it into a Like a gyros or whatever like a huge haunted house Yeah, they used to when we were younger. I don't know if they still do my kid my boy's out of the sparrow pizza Yeah, oh shit. I love that. It's so fun. I wish I liked it more so we can be into it

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It's the motherfucking flaw. An English landed. Quique-quique. First question is from Evolved Fitness. I'm a personal trainer and have always been against group classes because it's hard to have everyone do good form and technique. How can I not feel like a hypocrite by running boot camps to help monetize training and my time?

Ooh, fun question. It is, right? It's a good question. I wanna get into real. And I wanna get into how you can run a boot camp in the best way possible with the most integrity, but before I do, because I know we're gonna get into that,

that's gonna be a great discussion. But before we do, there's a lesson that I learned later on in my career as a personal trainer that was one of the most important lessons, it was one of the most valuable ones. And that's this, that my clients aren't gonna be perfect be perfect. The way I train people

is many times not going to be in the best way that I can deliver it because the person won't receive it. My clients aren't going to eat in the best perfect way for themselves usually. And so I had to, at some point, realize that am I doing them some good? And are they benefiting more from doing whatever it is we're doing than they would if I said to them, hey, you're not doing everything I want you to do and everything's not perfect, so I don't want to train anymore.

This was a lesson that took me a while to learn. And it got to the point where I understood, I'd have clients who trained with me for three you know, three years and they'd meet with me and train once a week because that's all they could ever commit to and the rest of the week they would kind of eat bad and they wouldn't be active and old me would have been irritated and would have fired my client. How many trainers say that,

I'm gonna fire my client. And then I, you know, I start to realize, wait a minute, am I having a positive effect on this person? Are we inching, however slow it is, towards a better life and a better relationship with exercise and nutrition? And the answer, 99% of the time was yes. Even if it wasn't as fast as I would like

or as perfect as I would like. And let's be honest, is it ever as fast as, I mean, I'm the one with the knowledge and understanding of exercise and nutrition. It's never gonna be fast enough for me. If it's never gonna be perfect enough for me, because it's easy for me. I've been doing this half my life.

So, some people, here's a deal. Some clients, you're only ever gonna be able to touch through group classes. Some people will never hire a personal trainer one-on-one because of the cost, or because they just don't want to and are they better off taking your group class if you run it well, then they would if they not had no interaction

with you whatsoever, that's the real question. I think that's a really good way to put it. I struggled with this a lot. And I shared just recently on my Insta story when I was going through my file cabinet, like my old boot camps. You know, I had, at one point, I had three camps a day running six days a week and I had a trainer working for me and covering half of those, those camps.

And so it was like a side business that I had built up and I had built it up to be really successful and where I had lost my passion for it and why I didn't continue to evolve because, you know because someone might think, like, wow, if you were making that much money on the side and I was really was working very few hours, why wouldn't you potentially quit the other things you were doing and then pour everything into that? Because I probably could have grew it into a fairly large,

six-figure business that I could have been doing. Where I lost the passion for it was because I didn't feel like I was helping people as much as I could have been and I felt like a lot of the people that I you know that may have thought I was helping them because they were burning a bunch of calories in my class. I really wasn't setting them up for long term success. Now that being said later on after I kind of eliminated because one of the I like being in group settings just because I like the challenge of multiple people

with all different stuff going on and I'm a social person, and so I like this. There's a lot more energy. I mean, it's more fun too, a lot of times. So, I'm in a group. Right, so I like all that aspect of doing group training. But what I felt like was like,

the typical bootcamp looks like this where you, you set up a bunch of circuits where you've got, you know, warrior robes and you've got medicine balls and bosew balls and dumbbells and jump ropes and, you know, you're doing this like circuit base kind of like fucking curves type of a setup. And, and that is what people were looking for. They want to sweat. They want to they want to be sore. They want to get worked out really hard. And I fell into that trap of of providing that kind of a service for a really

long time. And it did eventually eat away at me and I realized that I didn't want to continue to grow this. So I got rid of a lot of the camps. I kept a handful of them that I still did. And I still to this day help out a lot of the people that used to come to my boot camps. Now where it's evolved, and if I were to start a group class, now it would look like what I do now. And what I've done now is I've taken the knowledge that I've

learned from like FRC and Aldoah and some of these other certifications that I technically don't have, but I've just I've read a lot of it. They've held the courses within our facility, so I'm very familiar with all the material. And I have now incorporated a lot of the time, shout out to Dr. Brink because Justin Brink has completely evolved my knowledge and level of body mechanics and the understanding of the body and how it moves and being able to break somebody down at a much deeper level than what I was before. And so now when I run these camps, I'm doing a lot of things that I know may not burn a ton of calories and build a ton of muscle.

But when I look at my demographic in my boot camps, the average age was probably 55. And what I know about 55-year-old people today is most of them suffer from chronic pain. They've got poor mobility, they've got all these issues going on. And so taking them through wire ropes and jump boxes and fucking crazy circuit type classes really is doing a disservice to those people.

And then what I started to do is I molded it around this kind of FRC model and I started taking them through 90, 90 moves and combat stretches and hand cuff with rotation. And so I'm teaching these mobility drills to these people and hey, that burns calories. So you do a lizard with a rotation back and forth 10 and 10 on each side. And most of those clients that I was doing that with, like got a little workout. And I bet your retention is much higher. Oh, the problem with boot

camps is the retention is terrible because people tend to burn themselves out. It's exactly hurt. And so these people that I still do this with and I do this as a free service now, just a way of me giving back and I do it whenever I'm in town on the weekends I text them all on a Friday night and say, hey, I'm here who can make it and most all of them show up every time they can I hold it in our studio and they fucking love it and it's because the way they feel as soon as they walk out. I mean, if you do an hour anybody who's familiar with FRC or Aldoa, you spend an hour doing FRC or Aldoa and I guarantee I don mean, if you do an hour, anybody who's familiar with FRC or LDoA, you spend an hour doing FRC or LDoA, and I guarantee, I don't care if you're fucking 20 or you're

60, you get done with that and you feel amazing. As opposed to how you feel after a traditional boot camp. Exactly. Yeah, which is like you're dead. I think that's pretty much the only way to like apply like a group setting these days. I think that there's a lot of value in what you're talking about. I think the only way to apply a group setting these days. I think that there's a lot of value in what you're talking about. I think the only other thing that I could think that if I was to go back and try and structure

something in a group setting or a boot camp, I would add one very specific skill into the mix that everybody learns and everybody goes squat. Like a squat. So all we're doing for the entire session is breaking it down. And, you know, it would be like, kind of boring, but you'd have to look at it as educational, which then, you know, it could be meticulous with everybody

and really work on the little nuances, and apply FRC, and apply outdoor, and apply all these apply all these mobility practices to further them, because most people that go to these boot camps and these group classes, I mean, they're just decondition, they're decondition, they want to get in shape, they don't understand the prerequisites, all the things they need to improve upon in order to provide better movement, better function, and to then catapult that

into momentum into the gym. Yeah, I have a tough time sometimes watching some of these boot camp classes. Sometimes you'll see them in gyms, and other times you'll see them in parks, and it's just, it's trainers yelling at people. Just sloppy. Yeah, it's trainers, come on, come on, go, go, go,

run, run, run, get it, lift, boy. And it's just, it's really, really bad training. And so I have an issue with that, but, you know, it's trainers, come on, come on, go, go, go, run, run, run, get it, lift, boy, and it's just, it's really, really bad training. And so I have an issue with that, but, you know, here's the thing with, with fitness and personal training in particular, it's similar to other professions that are passion-driven in the sense that like, like, people are artists, not because they want to make a lot of money, but because they have a passion for art. Someone's a musician, not to make a lot of money, it's usually because they have a passion for music, and people who choose a career and fitness typically do so because they have

a passion for and a belief in movement and fitness and health and it's their passion. And this is the thing, when you have a certain understanding of fitness and health and you have a passion for it It can be hard to do a bootcamp because it doesn't follow that passion Can you make a lot of money in group classes? Yeah, if you run them well like a business you're the potential to make Money is higher with group type of classes you could scale the fuck out of them You know if Adam had a passion for boot camp, he could, at some point, have 50 classes running all over the Bay Area and you'd have a seven-figure business,

try creating a seven-figure business as a one-on-one personal trainer. It's almost impossible. It's very difficult, extremely, extremely rare. So the money potential is much higher, but if you have a real passion for true fitness, it becomes difficult because it's hard to deliver that into group setting, but again, that being said, I think if you do it with integrity, and you put it together in a way that will benefit people, and you also understand that the way I used to treat boot camps was it was a great,

low barrier to enter into a relationship with a fitness professional. So the way I looked at it was, okay, I know that I could really deliver tremendous value and long-term success to clients who work with me one-on-one. The problem is the big hurdle is the initial cost because personal training is not cheap. If you go across the country,

it's anywhere between $50 to $150 per hour. And although a lot of people can afford the $50 an hour rate, it's still extremely expensive, and that's going to prevent a lot of people from ever creating that relationship with a fitness professional. So what do people end up doing? Just getting a membership at a gym,

trying to figure out on their own and the success rates terrible. But group classes offer a nice lower step. It's a lower barrier. So okay, I'm going to take this bootcamp class. And instead of paying, you know, $50 an hour, and you know, training with a trainer twice a week, which is $100 a week, it may cost me $100 a month, which is far less. And I get to kind of get the experience of working with the fitness professional. It's much better than working out on my own. And so my goal with these classes was get people in and then eventually help them to transition to hiring me one-on-one or help them create a better relationship to where they can start

training themselves appropriately. I also had, and I was kind of like, out of nowhere, I was like, pouring myself into boot camps as like a side business where I was trying to develop that, and that was sort of taking off, but I was just uncomfortable with the whole thing, and it was just kind of getting away from me, I felt. And plus, because I was on the other end of the spectrum

of like, really trying to enhance the one-on-one to like, a level that I felt like nobody else was doing it. And I was trying to get to like sort of primo like I could take care of like basically be like your health like manager. Yeah, for like five clients. Yeah, for like five or six clients. And so it was like completely in contrast to that. And so it was just like opposite model. Yeah, I just felt like this is just so dumb for me to have both of these running simultaneously. It was like a complete polar opposite. And so one thing I did do though that, you know, I know some trainers have done this as well is do the whole buddy training thing where, like, you know, husband and wife or, like,

really good friends. They sort of band together and they pay for like your hours time or like, you know, husband and wife or like really good friends, they sort of band together and they pay for like your hours' time or like, you know, a little bit longer than that. I actually would prefer them to go like hour and a half to two hours if it was a buddy because that's another thing where yes, it's already that's a compromise for me. As far as like programming is concerned because now my

time is divided and I'm not watching, it just doesn't, it's never going to be the same as just that one I want to tension, but I feel like that's a little bit more manageable as far as, like, if cost is the real issue, like, let's work this out to where, you know, I could still, like, have my hands on and program something that's a value for both of you. Yeah, when I look at the value that I provided as a fitness professional, some of the value is in the exercises and techniques that I did with you and brought you through and got you to move differently. But a lot of the value was the communication that I had with my clients, my ability to

sit and communicate and teach and guide and lead them to this new relationship with their body and exercise and nutrition. And the problem with group training is that's reduced dramatically. I can still have people do exercises and stuff. And I can even, if I do a really fucking good job and have other trainings working for me, we can even kind of optimize their form and stuff, still not to the level of one on one, but it's going to be a lot better. But what I'm dramatically reducing is my ability to communicate and get through to people. And what I would do with my boot camps is I would save the last five minutes for a five-minute

talk. But still, it's five minutes, it's more of a lecture. It wasn't nearly as effective. Now, what we do now with podcasting and YouTube and stuff like that, well now people are tuning in to listen. And I get to touch the masses in similar ways the way I did. Isn't that funny?

Yeah, we've all evolved. Like that was the, that was exactly what I found was the communication and the back and forth of like the constant asking of questions was the most success I've had with people. And now this is all we do, is that part of it? So I'll give whoever's asking this question, here's like a killer formula,

if you're going to go forward with the classes. If you don't own Prime Pro, invest in that. So whatever I don't even know how much we sell that for, whatever it's sold for, invest in that, which is under $200, so you can get this program. Pick eight exercises a week that you're going to go through and I would stick with those eight exercises for a minimum of three to four weeks for your camp.

I would, and this is exactly how I teach right now. So all the movements that I teach in my group class are from Prime Pro. So take eight of those, and it's roughly eight because I'm giving you five to 10 minutes per movement because you want to spend that much time taking them through each one of these movements. So pick your favorite eight to 10 out of prime pro. Teach that in your class while you're teaching that in class, review one topic that you learned

on Mind Pump, the last time you listened to Mind Pump. I literally did this at Orange Theory because when we were first starting Mind Pump, I was at Orange Theory. I had a real big problem with that group setting. I don't like the model as far as injury prevention and overall mobility. It's really just all about burning calories, getting points and being in the orange and shit. And so I modified my classes that I taught this way. And so I would leave the last 10 minutes to do some sort of mobility work that I teach them while they're doing that. And I have limited time there,

so I have to follow the rules of the franchise. So while I'm teaching one move, and then I'm talking about one topic that we probably just talked about on Mind Pump the Night before. And that was really my formula for success at OTF for the couple of years that I was there. I would take a page out of that

and I would teach at a prime pro from my camp and I would teach a single topic that I was just freshly learning that, or even if it was something you learned, it's just freshen your mind because you've heard us discuss it on the podcast like the night before. And I think that would be incredibly valuable to most of the people that are taking your class.

Next question is from Andrew PMF. What would you say are the pros and cons to going into business alone or with a partner or partners? You know, partnerships in business are interesting work, right? Well, I was going to say, one of the biggest cons is the odds of it succeeding are really low, because partners, it's hard to dip. It's like being married. It really is. say one of the biggest cons is the odds of it succeeding are really low because partner is part, it's hard to do, it's like being married. It really is. When you're going to business with a partner, that is your business partner. And that means you're going to, hopefully

if you guys succeed, this is a person you're going to work with for a very, very long time intricately and both sharing both the profit and loss of the business. That being said, here's a deal. You know, when you start a business and you wanna do really, really well, it's very hard to find people who can compliment you with talents that you don't have or possess, who also have the same level of responsibility,

conchiation, conscientiousness, drive, and passion, who will also just work for you and get paid by you. It's very difficult to do that. If you find someone with those talents, with that same drive and whatever, they typically don't want to work for you, they want to work with you. And so like, for example, there's no way in hell

I would be able to do this having, like if I found Adam Justin and Doug and say, hey, I'm gonna pay you guys to work for me, they wouldn't work for me. These guys are way too bad-ass to work for anybody, but they're awesome enough to want a partner. And so that's one of the big pros is that, you know, I can focus on my talents and my skills. And the stuff I'm not, you know, as good at, you know, one of these guys is better than I am at it.

And so we become, or some of our parts is much more than what you would normally add up. It's not two plus two equals four, it's like two plus two equals 10, because everybody works together and it's this synergy that starts to develop. But I will say this, this is the first time I've ever worked with partners that I felt like that.

I've had partners before that didn't feel like that. This is the first time where I'm like, wow, this works better than anything I could imagine because of the people that I'm working with. It's just hard to find those kind of people. Well, that's, I have a really hard time answering this question because, and I get this a lot, people are always very interested in how it works

with four partners, right? And how MindPump manages that, and they always think like, oh, man, there's gonna be a time when you guys are all gonna implode or whatever, right? And so I get asked this a lot, and if before MindPump, I would be super anti the partnership. I was trying to count while you were talking, Salon.

I counted off the top of my head, at least five partnerships that I've done businesses with, and none of those businesses still exist today. So obviously, even though I might have been semi-successful while they were running and making good money, they all ended in either the business dissolving or potentially some of them actually ended up in no longer having friendships with some of these people that I had relationships with. So it's never really

ended well for me with business partners. And for the first time in my life, I agree with Sal that it's never worked like this. And so I think it really can be an absolute destruction and explosion or can be absolute fireworks. And I think that we we lucked out and and have and I I shouldn't use luck because I don't think it's luck. I think it's a combination of the four men in this room and their experiences over the last 30 plus years of their life that has just we came together at the right time. I think as massive of the egos and confidence that we all have, it's equaled in humility and the ability to step aside

and let another partner take charge in a part of the business that you know. Because here's the thing, and this was a little bit of a challenge I felt like when we first started, I think we were all kind of finding our rhythm because any person in this room could literally do any part of the job.

Hence, except for maybe Doug. Like Doug has a part of this business that, you know, he has the most power because there's certain things that he can turn on and off that the rest of us just fucking have no clue. So we would be fucked without Doug, no doubt. He's for sure the most irreplaceable out of all of us. But nonetheless, every person in this room

can pretty much run all aspects of this business. So the question now becomes like, who does what? And what we've, the humility part that has came in with this partnership is we have the ability to say, hey, Sal's doing something. I can look at something Sal's doing. I could do that or I wanna do that. I'm used to taking charge Sal's doing something. I can look at something Sal's doing. I could do that or I want to do that. I'm used to taking charge and still doing that.

But I have to ask myself, is he better at that or am I better at that, even if I'm good at it? Like, he's better than I am at that. So I gotta let go of that. I gotta let go of that and trust that he's got it. And I don't even need to worry about it. And the same thing goes for Justin and the same thing goes for Doug and vice versa.

So we have this ability to allow each person to take charge of a part of a business, which is hard when you have four entrepreneurs, four visionaries that are used to handling all aspects of a business, but it's been amazing. And it's been important though. And this is something I just did an interview recently and we got into my childhood and stuff.

And we talked about some of the strengths that I have as an adult now that have stemmed from, that some of the turmoil that I went through as a kid. And one of those things is the ability to build relationships with people. And I pride myself on this ability to build really strong relationships with a lot of really good people. And I believe that I've harnessed this skill

to see the best in everybody. I see that in the worst of people, I see the best in them. And I feel like we have a collection of about nine people within Mind Pump right now that all are very unique and special in different ways, and we really allow them to express their strengths. And I think we have to have, we would have to have been here in our lives

in order for this to work. I don't know if we could have made that happen at 25 years old or not. I don't know if we could have made that happen at 25 years old or not. I don't think so. I think there's a multitude of factors. The fact that we all had our own individual pursuits before this, where like you had mentioned, I had multiple partnerships. I had gone through other businesses and gone down certain paths and figured out what wasn't working, what, you know, where it all kind of stopped. And a lot of the times it was communication and communication, I know that we all share

on a daily basis. I mean, we sit here on the mics and we talk, but literally this is most of it. Most of it we get out there in the open and I feel like if you don't have the kind of relationship with somebody where you can literally talk about anything. Like I mean, it doesn't matter if like if it's a relationship going on, you know, with your significant other, like whatever's gonna affect you kind of coming into the business is gonna affect the business.

And it's a very unique thing that each one of us sort of shared. Plus, like you had mentioned with the humility factor. So being able to be strong and confident, but then realize that where somebody is better than you, not letting that affect you in a negative way, just bettering yourself at your strengths is something that I think that is a real big challenge for people because it's like you're known, like I'm always known for taking care of all this myself. Like I'm doing, I've always done this myself.

Like now to let somebody else run with that, and then I'm trying to like find my way in this direction. It's, man, it's tough, but you know what? Like if you can find all of that, like, and if you've gone through the process of failing and putting yourself out there, put yourself on the line, letting other people critique the way you do things and judge you

and you can be resilient enough to handle that, then a partnership might make sense. Yeah, and you know, there's a few good lessons to learn. It took me, I mean, I guess all of us have been through partnerships and some of these lessons you learn later on, but you know, it's like, here's a good one. Here's a good example. I'm going to make it more concrete. Let's say you and your business partner have a disagreement over marketing. Let's say they think it's a great idea to do a particular marketing strategy and they want to invest $30,000.

You think it's a terrible idea. You don't think you're gonna get any returns. You have a debate, you go back and forth, and at the end of it, you reluctantly agree to let your partner invest $30,000 in this marketing. You think to yourself, eh, I don't know if I really fully believe in it, but you're really, you know, for it.

So I'm going to be reluctant. We're going to invest a 30 grand. Let's say they invest a $30,000 and you lose most of it. You barely get any return. Here's what you don't do afterwards. You don't go back and be like, I fucking told you so you should listen to me. I'm the man.

You know what you should do? As you realize, you both made that decision. At the end of it, you go, I'm a team. We both decided. I know that was what you should do is you realize you both made that decision. At the end of it, you go, I'm a team. We both decided, I know that was what you were pushing, but I'm part of this team, and we all share the fucking victories, and we all share the failures together,

and that's a big area where people fuck up with partners, is they only share the victories. But if nobody... Nobody wants to share the failures. Nobody wants to share the painful partnerships. It's you, nobody wants to share the failures. Nobody wants to share the painful partnerships. It's true, nobody wants to share the failures, but it's more important to share the, look, here's a deal, like if we do a project

and Justin's leading it, and I may disagree with it or whatever, and then it fucking crushes, we're gonna share the victory, but at the end of it, I'm gonna tell Justin, that's fucking you, man. You did a great job with that. Guess what happens if it fails? I'm gonna tell Justin, that's fucking you, man, you did a great job with that. Guess what happens if it fails? I'm gonna take full responsibility along with them because that's what it means to be.

I'm set up pointing the finger. Instead of pointing the finger, we share in the failure, and that's the part where people fuck up because at some point, at some point, and I can say this for us too, unless we have a perfect streak for the rest of our lives, which is highly unlikely. At some point, we're gonna fuck up business,

we're gonna make a big mistake, something's gonna happen, it's gonna be a learning experience for us, and it's gonna be something that one of us or two of us was fully invested in, and the other guys maybe just, we'll be whatever. But at the end of it, I know the team that we have, at the end of it, we're all gonna be like, all right, this is all of us, we all did this together,

let's move forward. And you have to feel that because just like a relationship know the team that we have at the end of it, we're all going to be like, all right, this is all of us. We all did this together. Let's move forward. And you have to feel that because just like a relationship with a, you know, just like a marriage, you know, we know what, you know what, what divorces happen and why, why marriages typically fail because small resentment is allowed to build over time and it turns into fucking large resentment. And then, you know, the other person does something small, but it feels so big because you resent all this other bullshit. That happens in large resentment. And then, you know, the other person does something small but it feels so big because you resent all this other bullshit.

That happens in business too. And that's why you can't let that happen because business is fucking hard. It's challenging as hell. I really like, it's a short, almost day, really I read it in two days or something like that is Mark Cubans, the business of sports or sports of business I can't remember which one it is.

It's Mark Cub's book, though. And I do believe that we have fostered this culture within our business and that. There is no touchy subject, there's no place that one person can't go, either is that we encourage this debate and argument about something. We really do encourage that.

If you, here's the thing, if you feel that something is a bad idea or you don't like something and you don't speak up, then it does exactly what Sal says. Then it, you bury it and then it starts to build and build and build as that moment to lash out. Right. And then it turns into animosity and then it turns into pointing the fingers.

If you can, if you can create a culture within your partnership, whether it's a single partnership or a multiple partnership like we have, where, because it's inevitable, I mean, we've definitely had yelling matches and we've had many disagreements. We have many things that have never been how to win. That's what it's called. Sorry, thank you, Doug. I thought, how to, oh, how to win at the sports of business. You know, if you have these disagreements and you find a way to, you, how to win at the sports of business. You know, if you have, if you have these disagreements

and you find a way to, you know, at least get it out and communicate it, I think that you're already winning half the battle. I think most people are afraid to have that friction and afraid to have that conversation. I think if you can start to do that and you have a partner that can embrace that and their ego isn't so fragile that they're gonna take it

personally, because it's not personal when any of us, if someone brings an idea forward and one of us goes, no, I disagree or oh, I don't like that or I think that's wrong, it's not, I'm not attacking you or he's not attacking me, he's thinking about the better of the business and now I wanna hear what he has to say, well why, why do you think that's wrong, hear what he has to say, well, why? Why do you think that's wrong?

Would tell me. Well, I think this is gonna happen. People aren't gonna like that. They're gonna receive it this way. No, I disagree. And we'll go back and forth like that. But it's never about being right. And then when the decision's done, leave it.

Right. It's done. We've decided. Let's move forward now. Yeah, we've all decided, right? And if it fails, we all fucking decide it. And that's why partners should play out, typically fail because how hard is it to find one person

who understands that, let alone, you know, another person, another partner. And that's why it can be very, you know, very, very difficult. Next question is from Kristen Sala. How do you approach isolation exercises when training in a low rep range? Should I just do compound movements in a low rep range and isolation work in the mid-range? Or is it okay to do heavy lateral raises, skull crushers, etc? You know what I love about resistance training is that there's definitely these general

rules, but then they don't apply to everything. And some of the stuff I can explain in some of the stuff I can explain, some of the stuff I can't, and I can kind of try, but here's a good example. Some movements and some exercises, lend themselves well to low reps and others don't. Yeah.

There's just nothing. Bottom line. Bottom line, like low rep training and training in the low rep range has got value for anybody, especially if you never train in it. It's gonna build strength and muscle and connectivity, especially if you never train in it. It's going to build strength and muscle and connectivity, especially if you never train in that range. When you do, you're going to get great results when you spend some time there, like between

three to six weeks. But that doesn't apply to everything. Some exercises just don't work well with low reps. And it's usually the isolation movements. They just don't work super well in low reps. Like you'll never see me doing sets of two or three reps with, you know, curls. It's just, it's just not going to happen or lateral raises. It's just not going to happen.

And the truth is on the flip side, some exercises don't lend themselves super relative super high reps. Like you, you're not going to see me do 30 sets of burnout reps with deadlifts. I'm typically not going to do that. As my form breaks down, my injury risk starts to go through the roof. So when it comes to heavy, heavy low, low rep ranges, now I'm talking about below six reps. Yeah, because five bicep curls is totally fine.

Yeah, I'm talking about the low, low reps. Yeah, there's no reason to be doing singles, doubles, or triples, and it's not, and again, and I know you're saying this, but it doesn't mean it's wrong. It just doesn't lend itself well. It's just your time is better spent probably doing that with your big compound movements versus these tricep push downs, bicep curls. And she used a lateral raise. So two or three wraps on lateral raises really doesn't lend itself well because if you're trying to do a lateral raise, you're trying to isolate a very small part of the shoulder that's responsible for a very small movement. When you try and swing heavy weights up to your side,

it's almost impossible to not incorporate the bigger muscles. That's how the body works. The body says it doesn't say when you also knew because I want to do a lateral raise and because I perform the pathway, it's just going to isolate that part of muscle. That's not how the body works. The body says get these weights up to the side of me as easily as possible. And if that means incorporating the bigger, stronger muscles, it's going to do that. So it's really challenging to take a very small muscle with a very small intricate movement, like a lateral raise, and think that you are gonna get crazy benefits

trying to isolate that, because what's gonna end up happening is the traps, the wrong voids, other parts of the muscle, bigger muscles are gonna take over the... It's damn near impossible to tease that out. I mean, to really isolate just that one small muscle group and do that in a way where you're really accelerating the amount of force production that you're providing your entire

body and then you're trying to localize that in a single joint movement. It's just, I mean, it's not to say it can't be done, but it's just not advantageous. Yeah, it's not advantageous to focus on gross motor movements with that is way more ideal. Because now what you're doing is, if we're trying to summon this amount of force production, and I want to get all my body involved in that process, and it's a lot more effective. And the single joint movement is great as an accessory to the overall gross movement.

Yeah, and you would have to be a very experienced, very connected person to do really, really low reps effectively with isolation movements. I think I could do it, but I would literally have to sit there and fucking be perfect and focused. Does it just so much to focus on? Yeah, like imagine doing a set of two with heavy side-laterals. First of all, wouldn't be as heavy as I think it would be because the second ad actually go heavy, my form would go shit. So the reality is it probably wouldn't be that much heavier. It just be super controlled and perfect with my form.

Right. And then the other thing too is, you know, a lot of the benefit you get with the low rep is that whole CNS adaptation. Using more muscles is more advantageous for something like that because it's not really creating lots of damage, not a lot of reps. So if I'm doing like heavy, you know, two reps with a skull crusher, am I going to get a lot of muscle building from it? I'll probably get more tricep building from a heavy bench press with two reps,

then I will from a skull crusher, you know, with two reps. I see a lot more value just in like isometric holds. If I'm going single joint and I'm trying to ramp up my, you know, force production, like that's something that's, it is controllable and it is something that you could do safely to where you're not, your compensatory patterns are gonna just jump in and have your entire body

kind of get thrown out and you're not gonna be able to perform it at the best ability you can. Yeah, I remember I learned this lesson with deadlifts a long time ago where I was feeling really, really strong, a super height. I was probably, I don't know, 38 or something like that. And I put 315 on the bar. And my goal was, I was gonna do 10 reps.

I was gonna do 10 sets of 10 reps with a 45 second rest in between. Okay, so it sounds fucking insane, right? Well, it was. And I was fried and crippled for, I couldn't deadlift for like three weeks. And that's when I learned, some exercises just don't operate.

And it's not like my form was wrong, just when you, you know, with a deadlift, you're frying yourself with that much volume. It's different on your body than if I did like a bunch of bench press or even a bunch of squats, which I feel like the body can handle a lot more volume on squats. So these, and this is all learned through experience because on paper it doesn't make sense.

On paper you think, well, what's the difference? Well, and on paper and in reality that it's not, you can't do it. And it's not that it's, there's not any benefit from it. Like there is. And you know, there's, I mean, all rules can be broken, right? And that's, that's the hard thing about what we do is it's, what ends up, and I'm always very careful about how we answer a question like this,

because I never want to all sudden, oh, mind pump says you should never do. No, no, I'm not saying that. Somebody can present a good case for it. Right, right. There's always exceptions to the rule, and if someone with great mechanics and you've never done that before,

have I done that? 100% I've done a single or a double barbell bicep crawl. I've done it. You know what I'm saying? I don't do it a lot because I mean, I just want to know how I feel. Yeah, I want to see if I can curl the 45s. I mean, that was really the desired outcome is like,

so people look over and see me curl in 45s on a barbell. Looks fucking cool. But I mean, as far as it being advantageous, like we're talking about, there's better ways to spend your time in the gym. And I think that's the argument that we're trying to make, not that we're in a camp of, you know, you should never do that. It's, hey, there's a lot of other things that I think your time is better well spent

in doing. Next question is from Pete Sobra Music. Do you have an opinion on using CLA and Elkharnitine as an aid to burning fat? I'm gonna get controversial here. As an aid to burning fat? Yeah, fat burning supplements. Okay. So here's a little controversy for you.

And it is only controversial because there's so much money being made selling fat burners. Over the counter, supplemental fat burners are pretty much an entire waste of money in time. They don't aid in the body's ability to burn body fat. They're not going to make you lose weight. Here's the controversial part. If you want to take a supplement that's going to actually help your body burn body fat, take a supplement that's gonna help you build muscle. And there's really only one that I can think about that if you took, it's going to help with this process

and that's creatine, honest to God. Creatine is probably the best fat burning supplement you're gonna find over the counter. No, that's a great way to spend that. And why? Now why is that? Because if you add more muscle, your body now needs to use more calories.

Really, yay. That's it. That's it. Because creatine is the most widely studied, ergygenic supplement. There's thousands and thousands of studies in literature on creatine. It's been proven to be exceptionally safe. It's not perfectly safe, but it's exceptionally safe. And it builds muscle very consistently, strengthen muscle very consistently in every

study. It's pretty much the only supplement that comes with that kind of a guarantee. It's not 100% because there are people who are non-responders and people that get gastroissues from crating. But for a, at a 10 you listening right now, if you take crating, you're going to get stronger right away, and you're going to build muscle at a faster rate. Because you're building more muscle, it is going to speed up your metabolism faster than if you didn't take it. As a result of that faster metabolism, you are going to burn more calories and burn more body fat.

If I were to compare creatine over a a six month period to other fat burners, I bet I bet my car that Crating would kill them all in terms of the fat burning, even though it's an indirect. Be careful. You don't have a jet anymore. That's true. Be careful. I'll bet my old car. No, I think that's an incredible argument that you just made in a great way to make it is just simply that. I mean, most fat burners that you see on the market, the main ingredient in there that is doing the work or that is the studies back up is affecting your central nervous system. It's the stimulant, right?

Because it has a, I mean, you could take caffeine and tease it out in a study and show how it's a great fat burner, right? Because when you're on caffeine, you have more energy, you're more jitter mean, you could take caffeine and tease it out in a study and show how it's a great fat burner, right? Because when you're on caffeine, you're, you have more energy, you're more jittery, you're moving more, if you're moving more, you're burning more calories. It's also appetite suppressor. Yes. So then therefore I can show that if your body burns X amount more calories per day, I can now throw that in a category of this is a fat burner supplement.

And so a lot of the research that goes behind a lot of these supplements is based off of that. And so yes, head to head, if you were to put creatine in that, and we looked at it as a calorie burning supplement, and which one technically would burn more calories in a heads-up study, you would see the fat burners, you could tease that out to make it look like it's better, but in reality, the argument that you're making so I think is far better and is true is that, hey, if you end up adding two pounds of muscle on your body, I mean, for every pound of muscle that we add in our body, it's somewhere between, and this is another arbitrary number that somebody will debate, but it's somewhere between 30

and 80 more calories a day that your body utilizes. That's a big difference. That's a major difference for somebody and a long-term effect that you're going to get by adding. And it's just being there, just sitting there. You don't even have to do extra cardio. You're just burning more calories. And it's just a far better approach towards the problem of burning calories and speeding up in metabolism. And that's the thing, too. It's know, okay, let's say you take a stimulant and let's say it does effectively cause your body to burn more calories by stimulating your body to do so. At some point, and it happens very quickly, your body will adapt to that because your body

doesn't, you stimulate your central nervous system with a stimulant, you get this adaptive response where you start to down-let-regulate receptors, your body stops producing as many of the catacole means that get released from your whatever fat burner that you're taking. And so after about two weeks, you've lost that effect. Now, in comparison, if you built extra muscle, you just continue to burn more calories. As long as you keep that muscle,

your body will continue to burn more calories. So the strategy for fat loss should be around speeding up the metabolism more so than it should be around. For a longer term strategy. I mean, I just, I feel like I could see somebody like that has reserves towards that strategy as far as adding in creatine and they think that, now I'm gonna be retaining all this water

and I'm gonna get this bloat and all this to go with it, right? Which, there are whole entire goals to burn fat. And so that would be something that, you know, I could see is sort of a barrier in that top. By the way, like the water that you gain from creating is not bloat, right? It's, it's, it's intracellular or intramuscular.

Right, volumized, yeah, volumized the cell. The cell holds onto more water. It actually look leaner. Although the scale might go up a couple pounds, you'll actually look leaner in the mirror because your muscles are fuller in giving the appearance of more definition. So, you know, and that's the thing too.

That's why creatine isn't sold as a fat burner. Even though I promise you, it burns more fat. No, I totally agree, but I could just see your average person being like, well, yeah, I don't want it. Well, yeah, if you get a woman that buys a fat burner that has creatinine in it and then they take it and then this scale goes up a pound Fuck this fat burner sucks. Yeah, it's not gonna work. It doesn't work. Not understanding what's you know what's actually happening But yeah, fat burners. I mean, and here's the other thing. This is why a lot of people like fat burners. They make you hyper Who doesn't like to be hyper feels great. I like it too, trust me.

I used to take a fedra, what a great fucking feeling that is. Your hyper, your on fire, your run around, you feel like you take too much. And until your body builds a tolerance to it and then you feel normal taking it. And then when you go off, you feel like a zombie and you get that kind of rebound as a result. So that's why people like them.

The other thing too is they tend to suppress your appetite in a short period of time. Again, you take a bunch of stimulants, you're not gonna want to eat as much, ADD medication does this, prescription ADD medication. You go on some adderol or riddle in, and people will lose weight on those as well, but it's because they eat less as a result of being.

But they're not true, here's the thing, they're not true fat burners, they're not burning fat. They may suppress your appetite or they may make you feel hyper, so you move more, but they're not true fat burners. Crating is kind of a true fat burner in the sense that it's making you build muscle and then that muscle then burns more.

And I would tell somebody who likes the feeling that they get from the burn the fat burners and that's why they take it. Save your money and go invest in just straight caffeine pills. Yeah, exactly. Get straight caffeine pills and take some caffeine pills for probably a quarter of the prices like your average fat burner that's on the market and take a few of those and watch how I've stimulated you feel and you'll feel that a very similar effect as far as what

you think you feel from this fat burner That you're spending probably 50 to 70 dollars now to talk about the two specific Supplements that they mentioned CLA is a type of a fatty acid and it does act on a on a pathway that theoretically will get your body to burn more body fat Studies have shown that it's pretty much a waste of money doesn't really do anything For people when they've done lots of studies on CLA. Carnitine also similar. There may be some benefit for mitochondrial health and some cognitive benefits, especially in people that don't consume Carnit lots of carnitine containing type foods like dairy and meat. But again, I could really only see the benefit in maybe a vegan who isn't consuming lots of these amino acids because their diet may be low in protein. But if you've got

adequate protein intake and you're eating otherwise healthy food, it's not, it reminds me of like MCT oil. There was some studies that showed that medium chain triglycerides burn body fat. So people then were adding medium chain triglycerides to their dishes, thinking it was going to help them burn body fat. And then we're shocked to find that they actually gained body fat. Well the studies you with MCT oil is not adding it to the diet. It's replacing some of their current fat with medium chain triglycerides. And because medium chain triglycerides tend to get turned into energy, if you take out a bunch of vegetable oil and replace it with MCT oil,

you may lose some weight. But if you add it, you're just adding cow. That's not a silly. It's not going to do anything for it. Even the black market fat burners, like a clean buterole, even that is not going to do much. Even if I gave clean butyl all to the average person,

besides feeling like shit, they're not gonna notice all this weight loss on the scale. The only benefit is when bodybuilders take it, a few weeks before they compete, and that's because they're already so fucking lean that the smallest difference is gonna look more apparent. But do the average person, all that stuff, so like, plus that stuff shoots your heart rate up

like 400 times terrible I've ran that before and I tell you when you take glim buter all it leans you out alright But it's because my fucking heart feels like I'm gonna have a heart attack all day long Actually some studies will show hard Scary no, no, it's it literally gets you racing I mean it's there's not I mean out of every all the different drugs that I've messed around with and tried like Climb buter all was one of the craziest things that I took and I took that after one of my show or right before one of my shows and man it did lean me out like crazy but it what it did

was it just it made my heart racing and so I can feel I took me in it felt that way for a good eight to 12 hours of the day where I just imagine being just yeah anxious all day long like you you don't sit still yeah move imagine being just, yeah, anxious all day long. Like you don't sit still, move and move and move and move and move and all day long. And that's really where the benefits of the fat burden comes from. It's not like computer all goes in my system, targets fat and dissolves fat in my body.

That's not how it works. It makes me so goddamn anxious all day long. You can't sit still because you feel like you're on crack. Yeah, at some point, I'm sure we're going to discover some some drug or some, you know, maybe microbiome therapy that's gonna help people burn body fat. But until we get to that point, yep, you gotta do the old fashioned way,

you gotta do it. It'll be poop pills. Eat better and exercise properly, and that's pretty much it. Look, if you want any more information from Mind Pump, we have a bunch of guides and they cost nothing. They're totally free. Just go to mindpumpfree.com, download any of our guides.

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