Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 888: The Dangers of High Calorie Cheat Days, Fixing Morning Back Pain, the Pros & Cons of Barefoot Shoes & MORE

Episode Date: October 26, 2018

MAPS Quah! In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mindpumpmedia.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about their opinion on fitness influencers doing10,000+ ca...lorie cheat days on YouTube, how to correct a sore and tight back when you wake up, the benefits of barefoot shoes and if online training is something one should do even if they have no in-person training experience. What does simian mean? (5:42) Did you catch Adam on TV last night at the Warriors game?! (7:03) Bay Area Sports Beat and Leadership 101 with Mind Pump. (8:43) Mind Pump Recommends: The Haunting of Hill House. (14:17) Do you feel more anxious or excitement watching scary movies? (19:00) Is old media nearly dead? Netflix Plans to Raise $2 Billion in New Debt to Fund Content Spending. (24:35) New Product Alert from Four Sigmatic: Focus Shots! (30:09) #Quah question #1 – What is your opinion on fitness influencers doing 10,000+ calorie cheat days on YouTube? (34:43) #Quah question #2 – How can I alleviate my lower back pain upon waking up? (45:08) #Quah question #3 – What are benefits of barefoot shoes? (52:32) #Quah question #4 – What is your opinion on if online training is something one should do even if they have no in-person training experience? (59:09) People Mentioned: Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne)  Instagram Dr. Justin Brink (@premiere_spine_sport)  Instagram Jessica Rothenberg (@thetraininghour) Instagram Links/Products Mentioned: Felix Gray **FREE Shipping & FREE Returns** Four Sigmatic **Code “mindpump” for 15% off at checkout** October Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic ½ off! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** Mind Pump Free Resources MIND PUMP FREE REPORT: 3 COMMON REASONS WHY PEOPLE HAVE CHRONIC BACK PAIN MAPS Fitness Products Simian The Haunting of Hill House | Netflix Official Site Netflix Plans to Raise $2 Billion in New Debt to Fund Content Mind Pump Ep. 785: Dr. Layne Norton on Taking Charge of Your Diet, Metabolism & Relationship with Food Three Exercises to Eliminate Back Pain! – YouTube PREVALENCE OF LOWER CROSSED SYNDROME IN YOUNG ADULTS: A CROSS SECTIONAL STUDY. MAPS Prime/Prime Pro Bundle Vegan Gains - YouTube

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Starting point is 00:01:45 In this episode of a nine-pump. Sal, Justin and I for 28 minutes, get into some of our introductory conversations. We first talk about simians. What are simians? Is it Simeon Panda? Are we talking about monkeys? Are we talking about ourselves?
Starting point is 00:02:01 Then we get into Adam's big TV experience. Appearance. Next experience. Up here in the next experience, I'm gonna go ahead and change that. Oh, I like that. Oh yeah. Then we get into the haunting of the Hill House on Netflix for all you guys at like scary movies. You're the shadowy.
Starting point is 00:02:15 I will pass. Then we get the difference between Felix Gray glasses. That's Felix Gray, GRAY glasses. And the difference between the ones that Sal used to wear that block. And the difference between the ones that Sal used to wear, that block out all the light and the ones that we wear now that you can wear. The less cool now, the cool ones. We are also sponsored by Felix Gray Glasses.
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Starting point is 00:02:56 Yeah, they are. And then we get into four sigmatics, new mushroom focus shots for energy. Sal's favorite sponsor. That level. There's what line is to me. There's what lion's do. Let's do some shots. A little bit of Rodeola, a little bit of caffeine to wake you up.
Starting point is 00:03:09 That's right. And you guys, we are sponsored by Four Sigmatic. So you guys can go to foursigmatic.com, forward slash mind pump. Make sure you enter in the code mind pump at the checkout for your discount. Ooh. And then we get to the questions.
Starting point is 00:03:22 You want to pull that one off? Yeah, I know, yeah. All right, first question is, what's our opinion on fitness influencers doing these 10,000 plus calorie cheat meals on YouTube videos that have become so popular? You get all these fitness people who are showing you that they can stuff their faces with lots of food.
Starting point is 00:03:40 It's basically like stapling your nuts to your leg. It's exactly like that, Justin. What is our opinion on that and what is our opinion on the nut stapling to the leg thing? Yeah. Next question. This person's lower back really sore and tight when they wake up in the morning. Now is it because they sleep bad
Starting point is 00:03:57 or is it because they've got some muscle imbalances and they need to do some correctional exercises? We did write a ladder cell. That's thank you, Justin Justin for giving away the answer. We do have a back pain guide that talks about how to alleviate back pain. You can find that at minepumpfree.com. The next question, what are our thoughts
Starting point is 00:04:15 on those very, very un-stylish barefoot shoes? Adam loves them so much. No, the ones where your toes are free. Yes, super cool. You can like interlace toes free. Yes. Super cool. You can like interlace toes with your buddy. So gross. Can you get similar benefits from that?
Starting point is 00:04:29 If you start a trend doing that. From flat, sold shoes like chucks, are there benefits? Or are they just ugly? And the final question, what is our opinion on being a trainer part time? Is online training something you should do, even if you have no one on one in person Training experience. Good question mark. We have some very strong opinions on that you won't want to miss that part
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Starting point is 00:05:47 No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, it's a type of primate. It means it's the class of primates. It's like human, but it's exactly. It's for primates. Exactly, it's something like that. So it's like monkey.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Yeah, it's like monkey apes. You know, it's another term for apes, right? It's something like that. So when I call you, like I dones, you know, that's another, it's another term for apes, right? It's something like that. So when I call you, like, I don't want to, I'm like, eh, my simian sidekick. It's kind of a joke. So what, so what's that kid's name, uh, simian panda? So what's he, he spells it wrong? Oh, he spells it wrong.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Yeah, his name is spelled everybody spells everything wrong. That's why I fit in now. Yeah, yeah, all these kids would be starting these companies and they'd leave out all the vows. Yeah, I don't, I don't know how to spell Simeon. Was that gonna be something that we're is gonna die? Oh, S-I-M-I-A-N. Oh, I-A-N. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:32 S-I-M-I-A-N. It means monkeys and apes, including the new world monkeys and plattier vines and catterine cladron of new world monkeys. Am I out of the loop on that? I don't know, let'satterine clatter new world monkeys. Am I out of the loop on that? I don't know. Let's look this up. Old world monkeys and apes, including humans. So we are simian. Oh, so we, oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:53 So it's not really a joke anymore. No, it's just, it's just, it's just what's the word pompous. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, you were saying Adam that you were on TV last night? You were mentioning you, you're famous. I was, I know I sat right behind the sun's bench and it was like, I mean, you can't, if you're right behind one of the team's bench, the cameras over there, like the whole time, so my phone was just like blowing up all. Were you making signs and?
Starting point is 00:07:23 No, I'm not an asshole like that Yeah, I enjoy the game when I go there who are the sons playing the warriors Yeah, we talk to the warriors play the moons What are you doing? I know what the basketball game is like the basketball Now it's a great game. I mean warriors just thumped them, dude. We were up by a fucking 30 30 points But on their one you already got to see them play the Lakers, too, right? Yeah, yeah Bastard now. It's been I want to see that and now I'm it boy the Lakers got into a
Starting point is 00:07:55 Overtime game with you want to see something cool is look at LeBron's Tying shot to go into overtime last night against the spurs. Yeah, bro well, bro, he must have pulled up, he pulled up between three point line and half court with two seconds left and drill the three pointer to send it to overtime. He's son of a bitch. He's too good. They lost though. They lost. It's actually his first 0 and 3 start since 2004.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Wow. Big dealer. They're still trying to figure out the dynamic with him and the match team. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they, they have a, they have a really young team. So I think they're, they're building for the future. I know a lot of Lakers. My best friend's a big Laker fan. I think you, of course, you're excited when the best player on Earth comes to your team, but yeah, they're not going to win by themselves. They're not going to do shit for while speaking a team. Yeah. Like before Aren't winning. So our Bay Area teams right now are like, so San Francisco and the Raiders are just dog shit right now.
Starting point is 00:08:50 And, but I'm excited about the Raiders. I had so many people are talking shit about the Raiders and what's happening in there. So John Gruden is the coach this year. Yeah, he came back as a huge deal. Dude, yeah, I love that guy. Huge deal. And now everybody is criticizing him because he's gutting the team.
Starting point is 00:09:06 They just traded to Mari Cooper over the Cowboys. They let go of their star defensive player that before this season even started. There's rumors that car might get let go. So is he just trying to cut down on cost before they moved to make it? Not cost. He's cutting players that he did.
Starting point is 00:09:23 This is my theory. I think all this was discussed before he even took the job. I'm a firm believer in, there's a lot of parallels in sports leadership as there is in business leadership. And every time that I inherited a team or a staff of people, I almost always had to fire. You want a clean house?
Starting point is 00:09:43 All of them. And the times that I didn't do that were some of the biggest mistakes I made in my early years of my career because if they're not your people, it's really hard to get them and lead them in the direction that you want to. You walk into a new business.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Hi, I'm your new manager. Everybody listens to this episode. The like, that's nice. We're all gonna be fired. That's a strategy. Oh no. What the fucking does every single time. It's true though, Oh no. What the fuckin' does every single time? It's true though, you disagree.
Starting point is 00:10:06 I mean, what's your thoughts on that? I've never had to fire a whole staff, but usually there's an example. I mean, I know what you're saying. There's usually an example of a few that, because it's like the old dogs in there, they don't want to conform. And if you don't get rid of the, what is it, the bad apple?
Starting point is 00:10:26 It does poison the whole lot, for sure. Oh, absolutely. And you do have to assert yourself many times when you walk in, right away. Otherwise, you get walked all over. I would typically come in and the first month would be just me observing. And if you were a staff member,
Starting point is 00:10:42 you would probably think I was lazy or I just wasn't going to do anything But it was literally just me watching like who's gonna do their job without me saying anything who comes in laid Who looks professional who acts professional who's hustling on on on and off the clock like I'm paying attention to all these little details Who's fucking around you know like at work like and so I'm just watching and then Then the examples start happening after that and then I just start Choppin heads man and for me it was not just a few as an example was normally most of them and only a few I would keep and it was normally the few that were special
Starting point is 00:11:18 You got a like a staff meeting of 40 people like all right John and Sam raise your hands everybody else is fired The rest you guys are gone. See you guys later. Here's your package at the door. Yeah, you're all right. But I mean, when you're, I think of it like a sport like football where there's so many, I mean, what's the roster like 53 or something like that?
Starting point is 00:11:34 There's so many. Right, there's a lot of people on a single team that you're trying to move in the same direction. And man, talk about I can't imagine what that's like at the professional level because I know how challenging it was for me just leading average men and women. Imagine the egos that you have with these college athletes that now just are getting paid millions of dollars because they and everyone's told them how great they are their entire lives. Well, it's interesting. It makes me think that he's in it for the long haul.
Starting point is 00:12:05 You know, like, Gruden, I don't know him coming back to me, like, you know, kind of like he was flirting with just trying to come in and win a title and like use whatever, like, talent that was there to kind of get him there, but it sounds to me like he's. No, he's rebuilding. He's rebuilding. And if you're a Raider fan, you're listening right now, because they've been taking a lot of heat. There's been a lot of shit talking about Groot and everyone's pissed because of course they didn't, they did not like letting go some of these players.
Starting point is 00:12:33 But again, like you, if you, I believe that the leadership is so important to professional sports. And this is a debate. My friends and I get into all the time. Like some people believe it's, it's all about talent acquisition, it's all about your athletes. My opinion on that is that it's a professional sport. Everybody's the cream of the crop.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Everybody is the best of the best. Like if you got to the professional level at any sport, there's just like a bunch of spoiled kids. Right, you gotta wrangle them all together. Can you get them all to work together? And I think we get examples of this in sports all the time. This is also again what I love about watching sports and watching a team like the Warriors is they've mastered that. They've mastered this selfless playing and putting other with,
Starting point is 00:13:15 with some of the biggest superstars on their team and the biggest egos in the, in the league, all working together. And it's, I don't know, it's, it's magical to watch. And, you know, just 10 years ago, I wasn't know. It's magical to watch and you know I just 10 years ago. I wasn't going to as many games because I was to me I that's what I love to watch. I love to see the the players But I love to see the all stars sitting on the bench and some rookie this year Scorn a basket and the bench clearing and you know picking them up and making a big deal about it and like celebrating And then you everybody's bought in.
Starting point is 00:13:45 And then I'm sitting behind the sun's bench and I'm watching them just getting whooped, right? And then the looks on everyone, like I'm right in literally in the hood. I can hear the coach giving the time out, I can hear what they're coaching to and everything. And I can just see the players, just moping, frustrated, talking shit to each other
Starting point is 00:14:03 because it's just, of course you're not gonna do well. No. Yeah energy No, you could just you could just see it. There's a there's a very distinct difference between You know a team that is playing together versus a bunch of individuals dude. I watched some of that Was it you you recommended the hunting? I watched it too. I watched two of those episodes. Oh shit, isn't it crazy? It's creepy as fuck, it's not that scary. Dude, they do the writing is creepy.
Starting point is 00:14:30 It's really creepy. The writing is good. What do you mean it's not scary? I thought it was gonna be like jump out of your seat scary or whatever, the way people were describing it, but it's just like, it's leading, I mean, it's definitely has those pauses and those things like, kind of like, you know, back in the day,
Starting point is 00:14:44 that was what I loved about like Stephen King's and like, you know, some of the better writing that one, it was like, you don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. And then it would like, you hear like the music kind of go down and then it stops and it's just this uncomfortable quiet. And then like something little small happens, but nothing like super gory and crazy. Yeah. So it's vet. It's very, very stressful. It's very stressful. It is, but nothing like super gory and crazy. So it's very, very stressful.
Starting point is 00:15:05 It's very stressful. It's very stressful. It is, but it's good writing. Fuck that. Yeah, yeah. It's really good. Bro, you got to work. So let me hold on.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Bro, maybe I can help you. Maybe I can help you. I don't need help. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't need help, but maybe I can help you with this. So with, here's why I love scary movies so much. First of all, I don't like all scary movies because most scary movies are dumb. Most of them are terrible.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Just like most of other categories of movies. There's very few that are really, really good. But the reason why scary movies, the good ones are so great is because, in order to make a scary movie really, really good, it has to have excellent writing. It has to be believable. It has to have good suspense is important,
Starting point is 00:15:45 but writers who rely on suspense, it gets cheap and old real quick. Like real quick, it's like, oh, someone's gonna jump out there, oh, someone's gonna jump out there. Yes, yes. You know, horrifying images, that's also something that can be used,
Starting point is 00:15:58 but that can also become cheap and overused. Where it's like every fucking scene is, right. You know, a girl walking down the stairs upside down with her head twisted or something. I'm over it now. You have to have really good writing to make a good scary movie.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And this one looks like I only watch two episodes. And it's funny, dude, by the way. What's the same? I don't know it was a series. So Jessica and I sat down and I thought it was a movie. And I convinced her I'm like, because she hates scary movies. I'm like, she's with me then. Yeah, I'm like, cause she hates scary movies. I'm like, she's with me then.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Yeah, I'm like, come on, Bay, let's watch this together and it's a scary movie. And so I made a deal with her. I said, you could pick the next three things that we watch. We watch the, you have to make deals over. I do. Yeah. Most of the things I pick almost everything that we watch.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Very, very similar. So she's like, okay, so we sat down and we watched the first episode and it's a series. So it ends without any resolution. Yeah. She's like, what? And I'm like, oh shit, I first episode and it's a series. So it ends without any resolution. She's like, what? And I'm like, oh shit, I'm like, it's a series. And she's like, you tricked me. She's so angry.
Starting point is 00:16:53 She's like, you fucking tricked me. She's like, I have to watch the next one now. And I don't want it, but I have to. I'm like, we don't have to watch it if you're scared. I'm like, no, no, I have to watch it now. I can take away other. Yeah, but we, no, it's great. Because it does this, it plays off of when they were kids and then you know
Starting point is 00:17:05 The present and like how it all affected them and it like all kind of like There's this there's this total like You see the psychology there of like how that like literally affected them in their job decision and then you know like what became of them because of like this constant like horrifying like childhood that they had experienced now are you guys are you guys like me when you guys watch these late-night but became of them because of this constant horrifying childhood that they had experienced. Now, are you guys like me when you guys watch these late night series and stuff?
Starting point is 00:17:31 Are you guys rocking your Felix Graze? Oh, at night? Yeah, I do do the day. I watch, I wear the Felix Graze. I'll wear it at night, but usually during the day, if I'm on my phone or on my computer. When you're riding, right? Yeah, because they're daytime, I mean, they're for day use.
Starting point is 00:17:45 So, you know, this was a big thing. We got on a call with them. They explained the difference, because I would wear the fucking orange ones that block everything out at night. Right. And you don't want to wear that during the day, because you want your eyes to know you're awake. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:00 So, the Felix Reiser design for day use. So, it limits the damaging rays, but also. Oh, yeah, you can use it I use them at night too. You can because at nighttime you're also looking at a TV screen or a computer if you're watching It close and you get the high blue light that's gonna send a signal for you to be now that I do it consistently I can tell a big difference when I don't like if I don't have it's not wearing anything. I can tell a big It's a big it's a big deal that I'll literally like last night I sat down It was got we didn't get home from the game till like 11 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:18:27 And I wanted to get on my email and check stats. I hadn't done any of that for the afternoon to evening time. And I left my Felix Grey's downstairs and I will get out of bed, go all the way down stairs, get the glasses before because I notice a huge difference, especially when it's like my phone and it's late and I'm in bed and I'm looking at numbers. But they also look good like Wajesco wears them. I think they're hot on her.
Starting point is 00:18:51 I love it when she wears it. She wears it. They're very attractive. Yeah, they are stylish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But back, you know, back to the whole scary movie thing, what I was gonna say, Adam, is so when I was a kid, I don't remember what movie it was.
Starting point is 00:19:04 I think it was, what's that Stephen King movie where the car comes alive? Oh yeah, yeah, what is that monster something? No, no, no, no. It's a name, the car has a name. Oh right. And I remember what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:17 But when I was a kid, my parents were watching that on TV and I was, I snuck out of bed and I was behind the couch watching it with them. And there was a scene that happened with the car, Doug's maybe pulling it up for us. Oh, Christine, there you go. Christine. Oh, there's another one, maximum overdrive, that one was stupid.
Starting point is 00:19:34 But anyway, I was watching from behind the couch, a scary moment happened, and I was a young kid and I screamed, and my parents turned around and realized that I was watching. And from that moment on, I'd have these nightmare and stuff. And so my mom helped coach me with these movies. And she said to me, she said, south she goes, there's literally people behind the cameras and a staff making this movie.
Starting point is 00:19:57 And there's people that write out the story and that are creating this thing. And so what I did as a kid is when I'd watch a scary movie when I would get too personal, when I'd start to get scared, I started to watch it through the eyes of like a director. And then I started to learn to appreciate the writing and appreciate what they did to the point now where that's my favorite part about watching.
Starting point is 00:20:17 So like there's a scene in the hunting of Hill House, where the dad, where the member of the banging on the walls in the second episode. And then the dad comes in the room, and then he's talking to them all of a sudden, he stops and his mouth opens and, all right, makes this really terrifying. Brilliant, the way that they did that,
Starting point is 00:20:32 because you weren't anticipating it, and it gives you this, no, there was some good ones. Ricky asked, feeling, you know? Some good ones, they left you there like, you're like, oh shit. Yeah, no, it's good writing. It is good writing, it is. It's all about the setup, you know, as much as it's about like telling like you know, I shared it with you
Starting point is 00:20:48 fuckers, but I have no desire to do that. No, I heard a bunch. So I have my family. So my my cousins and you guys know Brett and Casey's boy and some Brett and Derek and the one we were there younger than me, they're good. What it was Brett a good eight years younger than me. Maybe yeah, about eight years younger than I am. And Brett's younger than you. No way younger than me. Oh, okay. What it was Brett a good eight years younger than me. Maybe yeah, about eight years younger than I am. I'm Brett younger than you. No way younger than me. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brett's maybe 10 years younger than me. Now I think about it. He's 27 28. Really? Yeah. He looks very mature. So he they used to what when they were like five, you know, they were watching the ring and shit like like scary ass fucking movies as like little kids.
Starting point is 00:21:24 And I was like, five night. I was an introduced to it till I was older movies as like little kids and I was like, I was an introduced to it till I was older than when I was older. I was like, man, I don't. Did you have a traumatizing experience or something? No, what it is is this, like I love movies, absolutely love movies. But the part that like if someone were to say, well, what is it about movies that you like so much?
Starting point is 00:21:40 Well, as I've gotten older, what I've connected is that the part that I like about movies is the ability for me to completely get out of my brain to shut off the constant winding and thinking and moving and it puts you in the moment. And it puts me in the moment and I'm being entertained and I don't have to do anything. It's very relaxing for me.
Starting point is 00:22:02 And so what I don't like about scary movie, because I can, like, I love like, I've watched a lot still. I've seen the ring. I've seen six cents. I've seen a lot of these movies that everyone's like, you have to watch. And so I've still watched them. And I can appreciate the writing and all that. But why I don't go back and I don't continue to watch more of them is I don't like the anxiety that I get watching it. It's not relaxing. So I really would have to be in this mood to like not relax. Like I have to be in a mood like, hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:22:30 Shagoo writes some roller coasters or maybe watch a scary movie. I need to be in that mood. Do you not like roller coasters either? I love roller coasters. But the point is that that same feeling that you get of dipping up and down and turning and like that. Maybe because you're, you're pointing for that.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Yeah, maybe because you're identifying as an anxiety instead of excitement. It's the same feeling. I identified as excitement. So when I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, she is gonna happen. And then it doesn't or then it does. Well, and then I laugh after I'm anticipating
Starting point is 00:22:57 someone to get stabbed in the throat is more anxiety than it is excitement for me. See, here's the thing. I guess I could turn that into like, so here's the thing. Yes, but stab the motherfucker. Well, no See here's the thing. I guess I could turn that into like so here's the thing Yes, but the motherfucker Well, no here's the thing when I see like that kind of shit and it's just gratuitous and there's no good writing I get sick of it real quick and I like dumb
Starting point is 00:23:14 This is stupid, but if it pulls me in and then it does that to me It's like oh that was so good. You fucking did a good job. Yeah, it's just a real good story And then they're you know, they have just those little moments where yeah, it is a scary move. I forgot Yeah, it's just a real good story. And then they have just those little moments where like, oh yeah, it is a scary move, I forgot. Yeah, it's like you almost forget about it. Dude, I got a good movie for you. So you're in the mockumentaries at all, like waiting for Guffman and like a dog show
Starting point is 00:23:35 and all that kind of thing. You know what I'm talking about? I've never seen any of those. Okay, so what's up in the spinal tap? Have you ever seen spout? Okay, fuck you guys. I know what mockumentaries are. Yeah, so anyway, it's like, it's kind of like,
Starting point is 00:23:46 it's like a documentary, but it's like satire, it's like, it's funny, it's like, they're just fucking around, like, it's like a fake and fun of it, right? So there's this one about like making a scary movie and it's called like American movie. And I saw this a long time ago, when I was in college and it's so fun, It's like, it's like unintentionally funny.
Starting point is 00:24:06 It's like so like, it's so cheesy and it's just like, I'm trying to like think of like some words of describe, but it's like these two guys are just like, just ugly ass dudes that are just like trying to make a movie and trying to like pitch it and sell it. And like, it's, it's like the whole process of making it with like Gore and like all this cheesy shit involved. But anyway, you'd love it, dude. It's like, it's one of my favorite movies. You'll have to send it over to me and I'll tell you a little bit.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Why we're on the movie talk, you guys remind me of an article that I just read on Netflix. And Netflix raises another two billion in debt. So Netflix announced another two billion in debt financing. The six time in four years, the company is taking out more than one billion in debt. So Netflix announced another two billion in debt financing. The six time in four years, the company is taking out more than one billion in debt. So the company is on track to add 27.4 million subscribers this year.
Starting point is 00:24:55 That feat took HBO 40 years to do. They're fucking doubling down hard. There, and here's some other cool stats that I wrote that Netflix is the most popular TV platform at 39.7% of TV watchers are watching Netflix. Twice as many as what YouTube is at 17% and three times as many as cable at 12% so cable is like almost dead. It's crazy. Everything I've watched lately are Netflix originals. And that hadn't been the case, you know, like a lot of these series that they've all been like they've created it, which is it's pretty it's pretty cool to watch. Yeah. Pay attention now to how politicians now start to get their hands in that shit.
Starting point is 00:25:33 It's sort of the powerful mediums and it's a matter of time. Well, especially when you hear things like that right there, where you rate, where's this money coming from, right? Like who's throwing who's throwing millions and billions of dollars at a company to help them grow and do they have an agenda? So that would be interesting to me. And Netflix doesn't do advertising at all, right? There's no advertising whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:25:55 It's all membership fee based. Do you guys think it'll stay that way forever? God, I hope so. I mean, that's the biggest benefit to it. I think 100% it will. I think they know that that's what was their secret sauce into growing to where they're at. I mean, streaming instantaneous, binge watching.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Yeah, but think about it this way. And I agree with you somewhat, and then sometimes I think differently because there's like very, very powerful brands that are out there that are losing ways of advertising themselves because TV and, you know, old media is dying, it's dead. Soon it's going to be completely dead. You have all this other media and you have all these big brands that are going to try that need ways to advertise themselves. Well, you might be, okay, so I could see this. I could see, so. So, maybe there's like a free option. Well, yes, I could, I could see two big major things,
Starting point is 00:26:47 and that's one of them. I could see like, how Pandora does it where it's like, you know, it's, if you want it free, you can watch the way you watch right now. If you want it, you know, with no ads, then you're paying a premium fee. Now, let's think about it this way. So, this is interesting.
Starting point is 00:27:00 I never thought of this. So, you have, let's say we have companies like Netflix offering that free option so that they can have ads, that automatically separates their audience from the people willing to pay versus the people who aren't willing to pay, and I wonder what that'll say about that audience. You know what I'm saying? What you know about them. Yeah, like what you know about them, because they're less likely to pay, does it mean that they have less money?
Starting point is 00:27:23 Does it mean that they're less? Well, you'll be able to see a lot of things. They also see the stuff that they watch the most. I mean, all of this stuff is, I mean, that's the future, right? The future. Like you only get advertised, like in other words, you're not gonna get targeted by advertisers the same
Starting point is 00:27:35 if you have a lot of money and pay for everything to not have advertising. The most interesting thing that I see with all of these platforms is they're just all gathering data on us. And why I like that movie, or that show that we never finished really watching, I only got three episodes in, the 70s futuristic one, was the ad buddy thing,
Starting point is 00:27:53 was literally just that because I think that's really fascinating that they wrote that in, and the way they have it where it's like an actual person, I think we are building that right now where we are. I mean, when you look at Amazon, Facebook, Google, YouTube, you know, Netflix, we are just offering up all this information about ourselves, what we like to do on our pastime, what type of movies we're into, what weird ass porn we watch,
Starting point is 00:28:18 what types of things we like, what things we dislike, what articles we read. You're gonna know so much about every individual that you will no longer be marketing. You're never gonna, we're in the next 10 years, you'll never get blanketed with advertising of stuff you don't want. That's scary to think.
Starting point is 00:28:35 I'm never gonna see, in 10 years, I don't believe I'm gonna see anything that I don't want. Everything that's gonna get thrown in my face is gonna be stuff that I, damn. Yeah, that's what I want. You got me. Oh shit, I want that too. Uh huh. So it's gonna take, you damn yeah that's what I want you got me yeah oh shit I want that too uh-huh yeah so it's gonna take you know what it's gonna remind me of when you were a kid watching Saturday
Starting point is 00:28:49 morning cartoons yeah every every got yeah this one for Christmas for birthday or it was some serial that I really wanted that I could have that my mom would never do cancer that would never buy me by the way those commercials were super uh what's the word um they They weren't, they lied to you a lot when I was like, I remember watching the GI Joe commercials, and then you get the toy and I'm like, this isn't fucking blow up and do crazy shots. I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:13 It was always the kids like doing like playing with them, and then they'd like shoot like missiles at each other. Yeah, and they've got this crazy backdrop and the fucking tank is shooting that far. Yeah, no. It's like, you took it. Exactly. It doesn't knock anybody over. I always wanted to take that shot for real. Yeah, no. He was like, he was like, he was exactly. It doesn't knock anybody over. I always wanted to take that.
Starting point is 00:29:25 It was authentic. Shot for real. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Well, you saw Justin Sons that he had, that was cool that he was driving around the day. Yeah, he had this like really specific request to get a remote control tank that shot missiles.
Starting point is 00:29:39 And I was like, that was a fun. Like, really, does that even exist? Is sure enough it exists. Like he just constructed that into some little brain and was like, wow, like yeah, okay, I guess honey, let's get this to him and it works. And of course, as being the dad, you know, you're like, I wish I had this.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Exactly, you're thinking yourself, like, I don't want to spoil my kid, and you're like, but I want that too. Yeah, I want it. So I'm like, I'm playing with him, you know, with it's a remote control tank that shoots things. Hell yeah, it's awesome. You guys see the new product by four-sickmatic?
Starting point is 00:30:10 Oh, the shots. Focus shot. So it's like ready to drink. What's in it? Is it a new type of? Ravins main, oh, Ians main, rodeola, so both of which,
Starting point is 00:30:20 both of which are consistently showing studies to improve focus in people. Rodeolum, in particular, increases time to fatigue. So it's actually a great, non, I guess you can classify it as a non-stimulant based product that'll get you more focused or giving more nerves. But it also has a little bit of caffeine, about 40 milligrams. So about as much as you find in green tea, this should be a very, very good combination. I think a lot of people are going to like that because I like lion's mane with caffeine.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Just that combination for me is fire. I know Doug is a huge fan of rodeola, so there they are. They're in these little like ready to shoot. A little shoot, almost like a five-hour energy. Yeah, you know what I like about it, but healthy here's what I like about it And this is why four sigmatics one of my favorite companies They don't rely on the cheap stimulant, you know what I mean by that is anytime is loaded with caffeine That's it and that's why you feel it every any any time you buy these these you know shots
Starting point is 00:31:20 He's ready to drink shots or these ready to drink drinks that promise to give you energy and whatever. All they are mainly is lots of caffeine. So I don't care which one you go with, five hour energy, whatever, whichever one you go with, red bull, whatever, what's giving you the energy is the fact that they have a lot of caffeine. Four sigmatic doesn't rely on that cheap trick. They're actually including things in doses
Starting point is 00:31:46 that are efficacious, that actually produce what they're supposed to. And that's one of my favorite combinations. Now this is live Doug so they can get it now. It's all organic. It comes in at what, 12 pack or a six pack. What is that? That looks like a six pack.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Oh, there's a different options. Yeah. So that was a six pack that one that you had up there. Yeah, I know. I thought I saw a 12-pack also. So, you know, you can get a... Oh, okay. Oh, no. And here's the deal. If you won a lot of caffeine, you could probably have one of these
Starting point is 00:32:13 and then have a little bit of coffee. Hmm. Mixed it up a little bit. But that would be awesome together. You'd be surprised, too. You'd be surprised with caffeine. Once you get your tolerance down and then you mix it with certain things like lion's mane, it's a whole nother experience. Totally different experience. prize with caffeine. Once you get your tolerance down and then you mix it with certain things like lion's mane,
Starting point is 00:32:25 it's a whole nother experience, totally different experience. You get way more energy, but it's much more of a, you know, it's funny. It's funny, who is it Taylor, who works with us? I was talking to him about this, because he was talking about coffee and how he likes caffeine.
Starting point is 00:32:40 And I said, you know, have you tried having a little bit less caffeine, but combining it with something else? And he says, no, like what? So we're going back and forth I said, you know, have you tried having a little bit less caffeine, but combining it with something else? And he says, no, like what? And so we're going back and forth and said, okay, here's a basic easy one, theanine, the amino acid, theanine combined it with caffeine and watch how you feel. And so he said, you know, he's like, well, what am I going to get, am I going to get more hyper energy? And I said, no, it's just different. It's much more of a smooth energy. And so we tried it and now he ends up, there's a frickin' bottle of theine now in the office
Starting point is 00:33:08 that he takes. Yeah, I see that. With coffee all the time. And this is something I try to communicate to you. You introduced this to me. I do the same thing. Oh, dude, I try to communicate this to clients. It's like, there's definitely,
Starting point is 00:33:20 you can definitely wire yourself more, but that doesn't mean you're more effective. In fact, it'll make you less effective. You're more shaky. Studies will show that too much, will reduce your cognitive performance, will reduce your creative performance. Yeah, you're not elongated that nice,
Starting point is 00:33:36 like even high as far as, you know, you feel that cognition, you feel that boost of like a focus and clarity. Yes, clarity. You want that smooth clarity. I think the last time I had you do the same thing. Yeah. Justin, it makes a big difference.
Starting point is 00:33:50 It's even had a little CBD. Yeah, it's like, what do you want your caffeine to do for you? Do you want it just to make you jittery and awake? Yeah. Or do you want to be focused and calm? You know what I'm saying? And trust me, you want the focus and calm. You'll perform better in sports and you'll have better workouts too, so better come in here. You know
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Starting point is 00:34:39 Quikwa. First question is from HECCA stubborn. I'm HECCA stubborn. HECCA who says that? What is your opinion on fitness influencers doing these 10,000 calorie cheat meals on YouTube that have become so popular? I have something to say about these things.
Starting point is 00:34:58 I have something to say about all this stuff. You know what, I don't care, do what you want. Just don't call yourself a fitness person. That's the bottom line. I don't even care that. Here's the responsibility always on you as consumers, paying attention and watching some bullshit like that. Here's, there's, you know, I know quite a few people in the, in the space of YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, whatever, wherever your biggest platform is, that their entire business model revolves around chasing these trends. Whether they're doing some tie-pod challenge or they're cross-pollinating with some other
Starting point is 00:35:32 huge celebrity person and they're talking trash and creating fake drama, all this shit, these are all fucking gimmicks to get more eyes and more attention on you. And if your business closes at 1%, or whatever you're selling, would it be a supplement line or a payroll or bullshit stuff, whatever it is that you're selling, you're doing all these things, just gets eyes and attention.
Starting point is 00:35:57 And out of that, the eyes and attention, you're gonna close at whatever percentage. And it's typically pretty low because a lot of these people that are tuning in really don't aren't shopping for something They just want to see some more on eat as much food as they possibly can in a single day and so my my when I see something like that Or I see somebody constantly chasing trends cheap. I yeah, it's cheap But I go they have a they don't have a long-term business plan It's it's a hustle and they're just trying to ride whatever trend is going
Starting point is 00:36:25 on and on and on and I'll tell you right now, like even if they're making good money at the moment right now doing that, it's going to get old fast. It'll get old fast and you'll get tired of having to do that all the time and relying on all these people to come in and see these gimmick things that you're doing just so you can get a couple of eyes almost directly parallel to me to you know like the whole jackass series it's just like you know yeah like I watch that series I was like all into it but it got dude like them continuously like eating like some animal shit or like you know stapling their nuts, their leg, or, you know, like, what, how are you gonna, how are you gonna, like, up your game? Like, always, it has to be something.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Yeah, and it would value, and it's like, you just look and see what's happened to those guys. Like, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's fucked up. That's a great example. That trend is dead. It's like stream of life. But yeah, the first jackass that ever came out when they did it, it was like, holy shit,
Starting point is 00:37:24 I can't believe these guys were all doing that. It was funny It was a lot more clever in the beginning and then they just had to keep like upping it and it's just like Yeah, it's like you could argue just in that they might have been he might have been one of the first to really start that I'm trying to think like who was doing just crazy weird gimmicky shit on TV. Yeah, they started out because like it was skate videos Like skate videos they would do like these parties and like they would like hate each other with shit and you know, like punch each other in balls and like who doesn't want to see that, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:53 it's hilarious, but yeah, that gets old real fast. Like that's your only thing. You know, the thing about these big, you know, 10,000 calorie plus challenges, in order to eat that much, and I hate that they call them cheat meals. It's not a cheat meal. First of all, nobody can eat 10,000 calories in a day
Starting point is 00:38:10 of normal healthy food. It's just, maybe you can, I don't wanna say nobody, but most people can't. In order to do this, you have to eat hyper-palatable, super-processed calorie-dense type foods, which is what you find on these, whatever challenges. The fact that it's fitness people doing it, it just irks the shit out of me.
Starting point is 00:38:29 It's so weird. It's like a website that's promoting abstinence. And you know, like, oh, you shouldn't have sex with a bunch of people. In order to celebrate, well, we're gonna do today's have a fucking game party. And bang, bang, bang. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:44 It makes you no sense. It makes you know really took it makes no sense It's so stupid and I hate that it's fitness people that are doing this There's that one dude that has that page that remember I made fun of a long time about members name He was on the doctor a show Believe it. He made you doctor. I was he was on the doctor. I was Really yeah, you know I'm talking about right. Yes, I know he's that dude He's like I got a six pack and look what I eat and he's like and he puts like cereal and macaroni and cheese on pizza and nachos That guy yeah that moron son of a bitch, you know
Starting point is 00:39:17 He's got tons of followers, but he's got no value. He's got no value like Adam said good luck with your business long term Keep eating that captain crunch pizza. Yeah, because anybody that tries to go down that path finds out that doesn't work out that way for them. You know, like 90% of the people, this person, whoever it is that's doing, it's probably got a roaring metabolism. They're young as fuck, they move around all day long so they're burning a bunch of calories.
Starting point is 00:39:38 They can't gain weight if they're alive. So I don't remember being that kid. I could eat, you know, Captain Crunch pizza. Have you ever eaten 10,000 calories in a day? Do you know the most, what's the most calories you've ever eaten? That's probably close to eight. Just, yeah, probably eight.
Starting point is 00:39:51 And that was made up of what? Well, that was also, you probably drank a lot of it. No, that was not alcohol, though. Poe show. So Poe show coming out of being so depleted for so many weeks and then coming out and then being able to eat whatever. Which is why too, like I remember speaking about this shows about how dangerous that is
Starting point is 00:40:11 post-show because I went through it. So I remember being, okay, shows over, eat what I want and then, okay, it starts off with an in and out and man, they don't even come close to filling me up. And then it's a milkshake and then it's donuts and then it's candy and it's just like and then one thing after another because I was so depleted that and then you hit then you get those super palatable foods that sort of kick up the cravings and then I would just and then I remember gorging and I must have did this at two different shows and I remember going like oh my god this is crazy and then you then the next day you wake up and you want more and more and more and then it heads down.
Starting point is 00:40:46 That's what I'm saying. Real easy to head down that path. The human body comes with these natural checks and balances. And some of the checks and balances actually prevent you from eating too much. Believe it or not, I don't know, that's hard to believe because today and today's day and age, most people eat too much.
Starting point is 00:41:02 But the reality is the types of foods that we, for the most part, evolved eating are these kind of whole natural foods. They weren't these hyper-palatable foods. And you go ahead and try to eat a shit ton of calories of very basic plain whole natural foods. It's very difficult. You hit what's called palate fatigue very quickly, right? Very, very quickly you'll find yourself getting sick of what you're eating.
Starting point is 00:41:24 You'll find that you might get a little nauseous and you just can't eat anymore. And so, these are natural systems to prevent you from overeating. Now, the way people get around them is they eat these hyper-palatable processed foods that hijack your brain into getting you to eat more. It's extremely unhealthy. And there's long term, we're starting to find that there's long term effects from doing stuff like this. Like in animal studies now they're finding that when they restrict the animals
Starting point is 00:41:50 and then have them binge right afterwards, they don't just get fat or, in other words, they don't just get bigger fat cells, they add fat cells. Actually increase the number of fat cells. We got into this little bit with Lane, didn't we? We did. After the importance of reverse dieting after these things. That's right.
Starting point is 00:42:05 And what happens when you add fat cells, the odds are you never get rid of them. Now we don't know for sure, but what we do know is when you lose weight, fat cells just shrink. So let's say you increase the number of your fat cells by 20%. Now when you try and get lean, it becomes more difficult. You just have more total fat cells on your body.
Starting point is 00:42:24 And that's not a, that's not a big area. This is my theory of why a lot of competitors struggle show after show after show too, is because they go, they binge purge, binge purge. And they, on the off season, they all just eat like crazy. And it's like, dude, you're adding fat cells. So then when you go to lean down again, you can see it, it'll look sharp.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Yeah, expecting yourself to get as shredder as lean again is really, really. The body's doing what it's supposed to do. It sees this extreme famine, right? And so it's just trying to help you out for the next season by adding more fat cells. Well, what it does is, the theory is this, is that yes, you starve yourself,
Starting point is 00:42:57 and then when you refeed your body wants to then store more body fat. But when you're eating so many calories that you are literally challenging your body's ability to store it. That's what happens So when you eat 10,000 calories, you're challenging your body's ability to store that amount of energy and your body doesn't want to do that It doesn't want to be in a position where you get a flood of energy and it can't store it because it's a waste So what your body does is it increases its ability to store energy. It actually adapts in a way so that it adapts better with more energy or it becomes more
Starting point is 00:43:30 efficient at storing calories. And the way it does that is by adding fat cells. So literally your body is trying to get to a point where the next time you eat 10,000 calories, we're not going to let those calories go to waste. You're not going to overcome our ability to store calories. We've got more fat cells now. So it's a great way of training your body to be fatter, easier, and more often.
Starting point is 00:43:53 That's what these cheat day challenges do, and they are cheap gimmicks and they're stupid. And you're right, so I mean, it's more disgusting when it's done by health and fitness professionals. It's crazy, yeah. It's so hypocritical. Yeah, it's one thing if like you're just some more on on YouTube, it just does weird shit like whatever,
Starting point is 00:44:08 you know, to each their own. If you consider yourself a health and fitness professional and you claim that you're giving out healthy advice or fitness advice and then you turn around and you do these things like that, you're just, you're setting up a lot of people for failure and you're putting, I think you're putting out a really poor message and it's all just to attract followers because when I look through the feeds on, on some of these YouTube pages, it
Starting point is 00:44:34 is. It's one of the things, for some reason, we love to watch people gorge. I mean, I don't know what that is. Like, it's just like that, it's like that TV show that's like the hoarders and the, and the people that are like super obese like we're drawn to seeing that I don't know what it is if it's because it's an extreme thing and it makes us feel better or whatever it is Right, it draws a lot of attention and you know the professionals that are that are the ones that claim to be professionals That are doing it. I think they're doing it for just cheap views just so they can build their page or build their business and it's short-lived.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Next question is from A Bulls 15. My lower back is really sore and tight when I wake up every morning. Is it because of how I sleep or do I need to do some correctional exercises to alleviate the soreness and tightness? It could be both. Yeah, now barring that you sleep terribly, so let's say you sleep normally and you have a normal mattress that you sleep on,
Starting point is 00:45:31 you shouldn't wake up with a tight sore. That shouldn't happen every morning. No. There's something else going on. And what I hate is that people will say, oh, I have to get a new bed, I have to get, and I get it because that can help, but it's kind of like a crutch.
Starting point is 00:45:45 It's like saying, you know, when I walk for, you know, longer than a mile, my knee starts to hurt. And so rather than correct figuring out why my knee is hurting, I'm going to wear a knee brace, you know what I'm saying? So I don't think it's because of how you sleep unless you sleep terribly. I think you have some posture and imbalance issues that need to get alleviated because I really, here's the thing, if you're really fit and healthy
Starting point is 00:46:07 and everything's in balance, you should be able to sleep on the floor. Seriously, you should literally be able to sleep on the floor and wake up without any stiffness or pain. So if you're finding those things, what's probably happening, what's most common, I don't know you, and I don't know what your posture looks like,
Starting point is 00:46:21 but I'm gonna guess, because this is the most common thing. The most common thing that I see is this excessive anterior pelvic tuck. Right, lower cross-endure. Yeah, it's where the butt kinda arches and sticks out, low back bar arches. And so when you're sleeping,
Starting point is 00:46:34 you're probably- Instagram model posture. Yeah, you're probably in that kind of shortened, low back position, maybe some shearing force on the low back. And you're not able to support yourself for a while because you're relaxed. And then that's what's causing pain. So the way I would offset that, if that was the issue,
Starting point is 00:46:51 you know, I would do like pelvic tilts, I would do, you know, plank exercises where you actually go in a posture tilt back pressing. Didn't you write a guide for this? I wrote a back pain guide. You can get it at mindpumpfree.com that talks about some stuff. And then we have on our YouTube channel, we actually have videos on on back pain. But yeah, this is, this is, it's probably not due to sleeping. It's probably due to the fact that you're,
Starting point is 00:47:15 you've got some. And I would say it's not like right when you wake up to like the initial thought is to, well, I got to do some mobility exercises, you know, right when I wake up to kind of like address this, like you should be doing that throughout the day. Like and really like take it as a priority because when you get to the bed and you go to sleep, you should be able to be in better, better alignment and, you know, wake up without these types of pains. And I know it's interesting because even with myself, like I've noticed when I would wake up and I I got past the 30 age, I was starting to notice certain things I'd go to tie my shoes,
Starting point is 00:47:51 and I'd be like, uh, certain pains. That weren't there before. You meant that the old man sound. Yeah, I mean, it happens, but now you have to realize, oh, I have to put more effort and more attention into priming and being diligent, you know, before I add all this load and stress, you know, to my joints.
Starting point is 00:48:11 So it's just something that you have to like set as a priority. Yeah. Pain is one of the, once you hurt that it's almost like you're towards the end of the signals that your body is going to give you, give you. After that chronic pain comes big injury. So you wanna address that. And here's the other thing that goes along with that. When you start to work on these issues and the pain goes away,
Starting point is 00:48:34 that doesn't mean the issue's completely gone. It just means it's gone enough to not cause pain, continue to work towards getting to a point where it's no longer an issue. Because like I said, pain is that last signal. Some of the early signals are changes in movement. I used to fight Courtney about this all the time because she said lower back pain and she gets to a point where doing all these mobility drills and we'll get to
Starting point is 00:48:59 alleviate it. And then she wouldn't feel it. And then it would inevitably it would come back because you'd go right back into the same type of rituals and routines and the way that she would move and work out. And it took like waves of that. Like it took, you know, for her to finally realize, oh, I should keep doing this. I continually do it.
Starting point is 00:49:19 I was trying to look up a study that I remember reading that talked about. They took like 200 or so individuals, a calf male, a female. What came out was the LC. So lower cross syndrome, which is what we're talking about, which is tight hip flexors, weak abdominals between the ages of like 20 and 30 are extremely common. And beyond that, the numbers are even higher, but they were doing the study on like even just young adults, like because 30 years ago, which is kind of unheard of, that young adults with low back pain, that was
Starting point is 00:49:49 something that you typically heard, you know, as you get older and like, oh, okay, when you're 50, say, oh, all the aches and pains, oh, that's because you're old, you know, that's what we used to say. But because of how sedentary we are as Americans now, it's becoming very prevalent with 20 to 30-year-olds and even more prevalent with women. Women are more common to have these issues. I think it was like 50-something to 60% of the women who had weak hip flexors or weak abdominals and tight hip flexors that were causing this low back pain. That's due to the shoes that the wearing heels will definitely...
Starting point is 00:50:23 That too. They're wearing high heels a lot of the time they're sitting down in a desk. You're sitting down in a chair all time. We're not working our core and abdominals. So you have weak abs. So that's contributing to it. And then you just get these hips that kick out, you know, and then it had you have this shortened low back that's tight over active all time. And then you go and lay in your bed in a fixed position where you already are not evenly balanced or in a neutral kind of spine.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And then it just feels super, super, just like if you were to, if you were to take your bicep and you were to do a bicep pose and flex as hard as you can, and you were to flex for five hours. You know, what do you sleep, six to eight hours, for six hours of straight flexed muscle and then try and open your arm up after that and tell me how you feel. You don't even have to flex it, you can just take your arm, yeah, just take the arm close.
Starting point is 00:51:12 No, great point, you only have to flex it, you know, but that's what you go stretch it. Oh, that's tight. But that's what you're doing, right? Like we just don't think of it that way because we don't look at it, we don't see those, you know, those muscles that's on our low back and you're and it's back and it's such a small deviation that people aren't really thinking about that, but that's what's going on as you're tensing this muscle up all day long and then you go lay in bed with it and it's still in that tensed position. And so then you wake up and it feels like you've got this. We're just so anterior focused. I mean throughout the day.
Starting point is 00:51:40 Everything is so much based on what's right in front of you. And that's why it's so important when you go to the gym or you work out that you consider how do I better activate? How do I better recruit and get my post to your chain involved in all these movements? Because that's what's gonna support you and support your spine even more effectively. Right, and here's another thing too. Try not to eat a big meal before going to bed.
Starting point is 00:52:04 That actually may change how your body positions itself. Well, that makes sense too, Sal, because you fill up your stomach, and then if you got muscles like your so-as, and these hip flexors that run through that area, so you're just putting more tightness there, more inflammation potentially there, which I can contribute.
Starting point is 00:52:22 I've actually had never thought of that. I've actually had clients not eat a few hours before bed and find that that takes away some of their stiffness and pain as well. Next question is from Mr. Fricky. What do you guys think about barefoot shoes? Can similar benefits be gained from flat soles like chucks? Did you see the, I love when Taylor gets on there
Starting point is 00:52:42 and actually responds. Do you see, have you been like, team converse or something? No, no, no, no. He says that the jury's still out on them and Uggs. It's good to say the Uggs. Yeah, cause he hates Uggs. He's like, he's like super anti the leggings with the Uggs, which has been a trend for like, since Britney Spears
Starting point is 00:53:00 and he's just like, he thinks it's like this fashion faux pause to do that and he's like anti it. So he talks shit about Uggs all the time. And so he's referencing the, the vibrum or whatever shoes, the barefoot shoes, like so that they're not very stylish. I mean, you gotta really commit, you know, to wearing those. But yeah, I, I'll wear them every now and then, you know, like walking around and going on hikes and stuff. I have like, minimalist shoes that I prefer to use, because like, you know, less is more in terms of like really,
Starting point is 00:53:28 and here's a thing, dude. Like there's a lot of people out there, especially in our space, like getting all woo-woo about like grounding and getting your feet and like toes, and but there's a lot of, you know, truth in that, in terms of like really activating your toes and spreading them apart and getting them to grip and feeling muscles on the bottom of your feet.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Like we just don't do a good job of this. This was something that we changed our opinion on. Yeah, we did it in episode, if you've been OG, this is for the new listeners that don't know this, but if you've been OG, you probably remember this. I remember personally talking shit about those shoes. And then I still would, so I haven't changed that much. I still would talk shit about them
Starting point is 00:54:07 because they are goofy as fuck. But I see a tremendous amount of value around them now, more so than I did then. And for me, that big game changer was when I met Dr. Brink. And when I met Dr. Brink, and I was dealing with my, you know, brositis in my hips, and I've got the low back stuff, and I kinda, and I have an, I know I get the lower
Starting point is 00:54:26 cross syndrome going on and so I know I need to address that and I was not even looking at my feet. And that was all he was addressing when he first met me, it was just like, dude, you're, you're pronating hard on this one side and then that's running up the kinetic chain and that's why you feel here, here, and he just hit everything on me and I was just blown away by all these issues that I was having were stemming from my foot.
Starting point is 00:54:50 And it was such a subtle thing that I had been doing it for so long that I didn't even realize what it was causing. And so when he broke me down and then I started to put the work in to fix that, it just everything came together. Like my brositis went away. I don't have low back issues anymore. And now I coupled that with a lot of mobility work
Starting point is 00:55:10 and other things that I was doing. That's super important because you go put barefoot shoes on and expect to fix your feet without correctional exercise. You're not. All you're gonna do is strengthen and balance this. It's no different than if I see somebody with, you know, where the shoulders roll forward. And I say, oh, the exercise you should do is rows.
Starting point is 00:55:28 And they go do a bunch of rows without understanding how to activate their mid back. All they do is make them balance worse. Because this is what ended up happening. There was a huge movement not that long ago with barefoot running. And there were these books that were written about how hunter-gatherers run and how you see
Starting point is 00:55:43 these people are hurting themselves. Yeah, and they were putting these shoes on, these barefoot shoes are going barefoot, and they're like, oh cool, I'm gonna go run like this from now on. Massive injuries and lots of problems because they never corrected the problem to begin with. If you want to gain benefits from wearing barefoot shoes,
Starting point is 00:55:59 just putting barefoot shoes on, it's probably not gonna give you the benefits, unless it's a huge disparity. In other words, let's say you walked around and heels all the time, well, then you might get some benefit. But really the main benefit is going to come from correcting those recruitment patterns, strengthening your foot in the right way and wearing the barefoot shoes. So like, for example, Maps Prime Pro has a specific section on foot and ankle
Starting point is 00:56:26 Movements repatting movements and mobility movements, you know if you really want to improve the strength of your feet Which which like Adam's saying will make a I mean I mean I can't I can't understand this it will make a huge difference I can argue it's it's probably like one of the most impactful like It's probably like one of the most impactful, like in terms of you're an athlete and you're trying to assess, like what can I do to like increase my performance, like 10X my performance, just strengthen your feet and your ankles and put like a lot of emphasis in that direction. It will have so much transfer into like your performance and you know how your body moves and responds, that's your contact point to direct all of the force you can generate. Like your feet need to be able to handle that and it can handle more of the stronger that gets and it will stabilize
Starting point is 00:57:19 those forces the stronger you get. Yeah, I'm having my daughter do a bunch of foot exercises right now because I noticed that her foot, she's flat, they get real flat until mine always want to be. So we're giving her exercises like short foot. So really, I think we did a video. We've done some videos on YouTube, right? Yeah, that's a tough one, short foot. We have, and you know, Eldo, I was part, you know, Eldo came in this week and taught
Starting point is 00:57:44 their level one, level two. And I got a chance to sit in in a little bit and they actually have a really cool foot warmup that I liked. I'll show you guys later on. I think it's cool and it's, you know, you're back and forth and you're, you're rolling in and out and I think it's a cool little warmup that people could add
Starting point is 00:57:59 and maybe we can shoot a YouTube video on it. It's really basic, really simple. But I think everybody can use it just because we all wear crutches on our feet. I mean, everybody walks around and shoes all day long. So back to the barefoot shoes. Like, yes, I see, this is one of the things like we talk about on the show that many times
Starting point is 00:58:22 our paradigm has been shattered or we have said something and then came back and corrected it. I talked a lot of shit about those shoes for a long time and now I see value in them. But like Sal said, only if you put the other work in otherwise you're just some clown wearing barefoot shoes because everybody's wearing it. If you aren't, if you're not putting the work into exercising and strengthening your feet and working on the problems that you have like flat foot or the feet pronating or externally rotating or whatever you have going on,
Starting point is 00:58:52 whatever deviation you have going on and your feet or lack of connection you have there, if you're not addressing that and your only way of addressing that is wearing barefoot shoes or whatever, that's you're not really doing shit for, for yourself, other than looking silly when you walk around in them. Next question is from Mark in the mountains. What's your opinion on being a trainer part time?
Starting point is 00:59:13 Is online training something you should do, even if you have no in-person training experience? Oh, that's a, that's a, the, I'd say, the biggest, fastest growing market of personal trainings online. You're seeing a lot more people go that route, probably with the popularity of social media. I don't think you should be an online trainer if you haven't had in-person experience. I think it's a horrible idea. Yeah, you're probably right, Justin.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Training people virtually is actually more challenging. Fuck yeah, because you can't, you're not there with the person. And so, you know, training someone online without that one-on-one experience, that's got to be a difficult, that's got to be a difficult way to do it. All of my years of experience and certifications and whatever, like, I still think it's challenging. Yeah. I mean, to first of all have a client that can even articulate their problem they're having well is already fucking one in a hundred, right? Because how many clients do you have ever been able
Starting point is 01:00:17 to explain an issue to you really well and articulate what's going on? You know, so many times I've had a client tell me, oh this is what's going on, then I watch them, I'm like, oh this is what's going on. You know, I've had so many times, I've had a client tell me, oh this is what's going on, then I watch them like, oh this is what's going on with you. No, it's such a good point that you have to think for them. Right, you have to stay a million steps ahead of them
Starting point is 01:00:34 and then draw out the program accordingly because yeah, it's that, they don't know what they don't know. And so you're the professional that has to like, you know, really steer the ship in that regard and that regard. And you don't get that kind of experience unless you do it one on one and you get multiple reps, you know, and interactions with real people because these are so many variables that you won't know to think about until you actually like, you know, are in person faced with those obstacles.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Not to mention, okay. And I know Mark is really smart. He's one of our forum guys, and I know he's a well-read person, and so I know he's intelligent enough, so he probably has a lot of information and answers that you could potentially give you on the line clients. But you know what I think of when I see someone, that I'm gonna talk some share on out to,
Starting point is 01:01:16 is what's that dork's name, vegan gains. Here's a YouTube channel, here we go. And this is what I see when I see someone like that. I see somebody who sits behind a computer all fucking day long and reads studies and reads articles and is really, really fucking smart when it comes to that. And so he bashes all these people online
Starting point is 01:01:36 and tears them apart. But his practical knowledge or hands-on knowledge is little to none. And you can tell by the way he talks about training, about nutrition is like, how many fucking real people have you sat in front of and really truly helped? Because there's another piece to this puzzle that is extremely important.
Starting point is 01:01:53 I had this conversation with all these really smart kids that were at El Doa. El Doa is like a super high level. It's very high level. Very high level certification. And, you know, so we had a room full of all these really smart, nerdy trainers. And I said, you know, it's one thing to get these certifications.
Starting point is 01:02:11 And I think it's really good. I think there's a lot of application that comes with al-doa to the average person. But if you can't distill that information and you don't have the experience and knowledge to know what the common, you know, mishaps or mistakes that clients make along that journey. And you can't help coach them through that process or get them to execute something
Starting point is 01:02:32 that all the fucking knowledge in the world is worthless. So that's what I worry about with somebody who's never done in person training and they have all this book knowledge. And so they think that they can coach somebody online. It's like, well, yeah, you could, but I don't know how effective that you really could be. And maybe somebody who is themselves very knowledgeable and they just need a little more guidance
Starting point is 01:02:56 in the right direction, or maybe they have an incredible amount of experience with anatomy and biomechanics. And so when you explain something via phone or via text message or email, they can then take that and then they can apply it. But in my experience, most of the people that hire me, their level of knowledge of anatomy,
Starting point is 01:03:19 biomechanics, nutrition, human physiology, is very, very minimal. And they are still learning about themselves and so when they say things like, oh, this hurts or this bothers me, like that is that right there in itself, it takes me like digging and digging and digging to even figure out what it is they're trying to explain to me because they they don't know the difference between pain, soreness, chronic pain. And the, I mean, to play devil's advocate, you can definitely gain experience online.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Because when people first start training one on one, they have to learn these things. But here's the difference. Here's the big difference. The big difference is when you're training people in person, you see them for a full hour. You're sitting there conversing with them for a full hour. You get to see how they move. You get to manipulate how they move, you get to manipulate how they move, you know, hands on. And so the learning process is faster. It becomes much more faster and much deeper than when you do something, you know, online where you've never worked with anybody in person and all you're doing is online. And yes, you can build
Starting point is 01:04:19 experience online as well, but how much longer is it going to take you to learn something online when you don't have that opportunity to sit with someone and work with people one-on-one? I mean, it took me, you know, years to become an excellent trainer of experience one-on-one in person. Gosh, if I just started online, I think it would have taken me twice as long to become good. Yeah. Because I didn't have that experience of working with people in front of me. And you have different conversations. It's experience of working with people in front of me. And you have different conversations.
Starting point is 01:04:48 It's funny when I'm sitting in front of somebody in person and we get to have that whole dedicated hour together and I'm training them, we start to communicate. I start to get more information out of that individual that I maybe would not have gotten if it was just done through text or even through phone call. Because many times you'll ask a client like, oh, you know, here's a simple one. This is silly, but this is true. You know, you'll ask somebody and you'll say something like, so do you have any aches or pains? They'll be like, no, I have none at all.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Okay. Then you'll start training them and they'll be like, oh, I can't do that because my back hurts. That happens all the time. Yeah. And you told me in the beginning, there was no, you know, previous injuries, like literally I've had people, oh yeah, I had the surgery for not on my shoulder.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I, you know, it's like, are you fucking me? You just marked off, you know, it just happens. Yeah, or you'll be like, how's your sleep? You know, do you sleep? Oh, I sleep every night, you know, I get eight hours of sleep. Okay, no problem. Then you'll be training them in person, and just because you're with them for an hour,
Starting point is 01:05:44 you just have normal conversation. They'll be like, oh yeah, you know, last night I had to get up at three and I had to get up or whatever. Or anybody like, does that happen often? Yeah, it happens almost every other night and you start to realize, okay, this person has no idea what good sleep is. And I'm learning this because I get to work with this person in person. Now how does that translate to online coaching? Well, as an online coach through this experience,
Starting point is 01:06:05 I now know what questions to ask. I now know when I need to dig deeper, and I now know how to convey information. Fordictive behavior. Exactly. And this is just through, you know, just through experience. Well, yeah, if you don't get that much experience. You get how many things too, like with little movements
Starting point is 01:06:21 and exercise, you get something like a lap pull down. How many times have I heard this? A lap pull down and someone's like, my forearms are getting so pumped and burning. What am I doing wrong? That's the question you get from a client. Like, what the fuck? I'm not there. I don't see the movement.
Starting point is 01:06:38 And someone tells me something like that. Now lucky for me, I've watched and you heard that a hundred times. And I've heard this a hundred times. So they're probably more than likely. Every time they pull that bar in, they're slightly rolling their wrist as they come in. Because it's just a natural thing to do is you pull something closer to you.
Starting point is 01:06:52 That last couple of inches, you tend to have the slight little wrist roll. And that's just a subtle, like a very subtle thing that I've seen happen, hundreds of times before on a client that ends up causing them to fatigue their forearms, and now they fill it on their forearms and not their back. You know, so if you didn't have that experience to do that
Starting point is 01:07:11 and someone messages over a text message or a phone call tells you that, like, what are you thinking? Like, what could possibly going through your head? Like, I don't know what would go through my head if I had not already had those. And that's just one random example. It just popped in my head.
Starting point is 01:07:26 There's thousands of examples like that of where I can go, okay, okay, could be this, could be this, could be that. And that's even my, when I was online coaching, that's how a lot of my responses to art, it's never like, oh, you're doing this, it's normally, it might be this, check this, pay attention this next time, get back to me on this.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Exactly. It's like I still got a trouble shooting me a video doing this specifically. But even that, it's not real time. And even with the videos, sometimes they take it, you know, a certain way. Don't try harder. Oh, wait a minute, can you take a video from this angle?
Starting point is 01:07:58 Yeah, you can't see anything. Yeah, Jessica, she's going full time online, 100%. So she's gonna be doing all online training, no more one-on-one training. And some of the stuff that she's going full-time online, 100%. So she's gonna be doing all online training, no more one-on-one training. And some of the stuff that she's learned through this, which is stuff that we talk about, when you, with online, because online coaching is exploded,
Starting point is 01:08:15 it's exploded in the sense that you see a lot of people offering these services. And a lot of these people start these pages in social media and their goal is to have tens of thousands of followers. You don't need that, you got to provide a lot of value and be able to communicate with your people with lots of value. This is another important thing that we communicate on the show.
Starting point is 01:08:35 As we talk about this, because I think there is a misunderstanding where they're going to start an online training business and their goal is, oh, okay, I have 30,000 followers. This means I'm gonna be able to convert that into a successful online coaching. Not really, not if you're not providing, you know, really, really good value. I know pages with hundreds of thousands of followers who could not turn it into an online coaching business.
Starting point is 01:08:57 You know, Jessica's page, which you have like, 5,000 followers, the training hour, 5,000 followers, 6,000 followers, but she's done it through value. This is a very important thing to pay attention to. You still have to provide a shit ton of value when you're doing coaching, whether you're doing it in person or doing it online, very, very, very important. So check this out. If you go to mindpumpfree.com, you can check out some of our free guides.
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