Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 944: Pros & Cons of Elevating Heels for Squats, the Benefit of Vibrating Tools, Dealing with Lazy Clients & MORE

Episode Date: January 12, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about possible benefits derived from vibrating and/or pulsating tools, elevating heels during squats, differentiating between discipline and restriction and training someone who makes constant efforts to stall and chat during their sessions.   Instagram stories the new Cosmo + why do people gravitate to lists?  Adam’s response/answer to the vast amount of questions he gets on social media. (7:25) Top 10 highest paid influencers on Instagram. (9:25) Make up for men, aka ‘bro face’, the new untapped market? (11:25) Update: Did Justin get the tree out of his house? (13:52) Adam’s mistaken identity ‘Grinder’ story + the guys talk dating apps. (16:25) Legislating morality? You're going to need ID to watch porn in the UK from this spring. (23:15) Yes, powdered alcohol is real! (25:15) Do the guys get push back from their followers by what they say on the show or post on social media? The responsibility to present good information and be their ‘raw/authentic’ selves, the ‘sorry’ factor & MORE. (27:30) Vuori Clothing’s rapid growth in the fitness space. (35:13) What house chores to the guys like/dislike to do? Who is the slob in the household? (38:38) Having the RIGHT expectations of the supplements you take (like Organifi), addressing the root cause of a problem & MORE. (46:00) #Quah question #1 – Can you give your opinion on the vibrating and/or pulsating tools in gyms? Do they have any benefits? (54:47) #Quah question #2 – Thoughts on elevating heels during squats? (1:11:10) #Quah question #3 – How do you differentiate between discipline and restriction? (1:21:32) #Quah question #4 – How would you go about training someone who makes constant efforts to stall and chat during their sessions? (1:30:15) People Mentioned: Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram Taylor (@tayvalenz)  Instagram Terry Wahls MD (@drterrywahls)  Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink)  Instagram Ben Pakulski ® | Official (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Dr. Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Products Mentioned: January Promotion: MAPS Anabolic ½ off!!   **Code “RED50” at checkout** Vuori Clothing   **Code "mindpump" 25% off** Organifi  **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Top social media influencers of 2018 The American Meme | Netflix Official Site You | Netflix Official Site Adult FriendFinder - The World's Largest Adult Dating and Hookup Site You're going to need ID to watch porn in the UK from this spring | Dazed Yes, powdered alcohol is real. It’s already banned in New York and at least 20 other states. Tidying Up with Marie Kondo | Netflix Official Site Mind Pump Free Resources NED   ** Code "mindpump" 15% off first purchase**

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, but we do have a lot of fun. So here's what we talk about for the first 51 minutes of this episode. We talk about the top Instagram earners. There's people that make like $30,000 a sponsored post on Instagram. Crazy. I think the top person sells makeup. Is that true? Yeah. That's what it is. Like a half a billion dollars. Yeah, you can hear about Adam's business idea regarding makeup too. That was cool. And we also talked about Adam's grind or meet-up. That's right, bro face. Did he follow through or was it an accident?

Then I mentioned how in the UK, if you like looking at porn, you're going to need to get a porn pass pretty soon. So move to the rest. Better start fooling out that application where the US anybody can looking at porn, you're gonna need to get a porn pass pretty soon. So move to the rest. They're starting out that application where the US anybody can look at porn. Then we talked about powdered alcohol. That's fun. Doesn't sound dangerous at all. We talked about one of our sponsors, Viori.

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supplements and products from Organify, they make organic health supplements. If you go to organify.com.slashmindpump and use the code MindPump with no space, you'll get 20% off. Then we get into the fitness part of the episode. We answer some questions. The first question was, what is our opinion

on those vibrating and pulsating tools that every celebrity and gym seems to be promoting? You may have seen these on social media. They look like little handheld jack-hiding things are so hot right now. Yeah, and they supposedly loosen up muscles, get you to move more. Some of them even say they burn body fat, they don't.

Find out what our opinion is on them and how to use them properly. The next question was, what are our thoughts on elevating your heels during squats? A lot of people find that they can go deeper and it feels more comfortable when they have something underneath their heels when they do squats. Is that a good idea? Is it a bad idea or is the answer somewhere in the middle? The next question, what's the difference between discipline and restriction?

Is there a difference? Which one is a better long term approach? And the final question, how would we go about training someone who constantly tries to stall and talk during their sessions? And we came at this from a workout partner perspective, what do you do if you work out partner just wants to bullshit the whole time? And we came at this from a personal training perspective,

you're a client hired you, but really doesn't like to work out, I just want to talk. What do you do? Those Gabby Geese. Also, this month, maps and a ballack, our flagship foundational workout program, excellent for speeding up your metabolism, building muscle, and building strength is 50% off. Half an inch off. It's also gonna be

re-released in a new version. The workout will be the same, but it's gonna look new and awesome with new videos. If you enroll in Maths and Obolic this month, or if you already have the program and have had it for a long time, you will get updated for free, but it's 50% off this month. So if you don't have the program, go to maps fitnessproducts.com, use the code red50, RED5050 without a space for 50% off. On that site, you'll find all of our other maps fitness programs as well and bundles that combine multiple maps products. Again, it's maps fitness products dot com. Like your stories lately. Which ones? Your stories that you've been posting right now on Instagram. Oh the articles. Yeah, like when you post because what's nice about it on the stories is you talk a lot about the stuff on the show.

And there's certain things that I want to read and there's certain things I don't give a lot about the stuff on the show and there's certain things that I wanna read and there's certain things I don't give a shit about. But when you put it on the story like that, I can go, oh this is what Sal talked about to the day and I click on it and I can watch it. Are you getting a lot of people that are clicking through and watching it? Tons.

Yeah, it depends on what kind of article it is. Oh good, I'm glad you're doing it on that. Yeah, people really like lists, you know? Like, you're like my new Cosmo. You know what's, so I was thinking that it'll probably provide some kind of value like that, you know, like, Hey, you're like my new Cosmo. You know what's so I was thinking that that it'll probably provide some kind of value like that, right? Like people will go and check the ins the story to see if I used to like the latest thing when I was in high school.

Of course, so did I. Did you get inside the lady brain? Right. That was also before you had access to porn on your phone. So you just, yeah, and it was, if it was in the bathroom, it was, it was, I don't remember that international geographic. I don't remember a lot of good pictures being in, and it was, that's true. If it was in the bathroom, it was, it was, it was, it's close to that international geographic. I don't remember a lot of good pictures being in there.

It was the talk in there. You read the article about like, what girls do you, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's like the play, 10 best moves for BJs. And the articles in there, there's only one. Always silly. What is, what is that about people in lists?

You know who's hacked that really well? It's our good friend, Max Lugavir. He's figured out the listing, the three best lists or the this, that, not that. That's something about that. He has a really good pulse of like, you know, the general America being on Dr. Oz and all these other shows.

Do you think that's what it is? Yeah. I think he knows the audience. Yeah. General America. That's a new term? Yeah. I think he knows the audience. Yeah. General America. That's a new term. I'm coming. General, just general America.

He's a general America. Yeah, he's been on the house. No, I don't know. People like mainstream America. I think his list simplify complex things. So like if I wrote an article that said, why your relationship, how relationships fail, right?

That could be a very complex article. But if I say the top three, how relationships fail, right? That could be a very complex article, but if I say the top three reasons why relationships fail, it takes a complex issue, makes it super simple, and I can skim through and find the top three reasons why. Yeah. So that's probably why people are lazy. Super lazy is why it works. Yeah, but I like posting the articles because,

the only thing I don't like about it is when you post an article people can't Message you off of it. They have to separately DM you know, I'm saying so like if you put an article right and you put the link Right the only thing I can do is swipe up. I can't comment and say what I think about it Which I hope they changed that because I feel like how would that work? How would you want it to do differently? I don't understand. I would want people to be able to do that little toolbar at the bottom. You normally would have, if you post a meme, you could talk shit about that meme.

Oh my God, that's funny. Or whatever. I could put the swipe option, it gets rid of that. Yeah, I would like it for people to be able to from there, just comment on what they feel. I get what you're saying. So right now when I do a story or I do a picture or something like that, someone comments on it, I know they're commenting on that specific picture.

But if I do a swipe up and they comment, I don't know they're commenting on that. They can't, they have to go straight in DM you. They have to take another step. Now are you able to keep up with your, it's now come, I haven't brought this up on the show so I should actually know what to do about this. And I want to apologize because I think something that we have prided ourselves on for a really long time in this bit, for four years in this business has been able to interact and respond to all the questions that we get. I mean, we really, I think all do our, do a pretty good job of answering all YouTube,

Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, you know, DMs, all of it, and try and interact with our audience as much as possible. It has officially come to the point where I cannot do it. It's impossible for me to get to everybody. So if you're in my DMs still, and I haven't responded to you, and it's been days or weeks or whatever, I apologize, it's just, it's gotten to the point now where it doesn't matter if I spend a couple hours a day on it,

I just can't quite keep up with all of it. So my answer to that, or what I'm trying to do right now, you just look at the picture, I hear some bots. That's what I did. Are we both wrong? Yeah, you're both wrong. Damn it. What I'm trying to do, and I'm trying to get more organized about it, so I can answer more,

and be more interactive with it, and then people can kind of like try and time it. If you have like a question, you definitely want me to answer is doing once a week, those the Q and A thing that I do, you guys see me how I've done that before or I just asked me anything. Yeah. I try and do that once a week right now. So that people ask you questions then at that time, right? Because what I do is I dedicate, I literally dedicate like two to three hours minimum on the days that I do that. It seems as though that's accelerated to start out with like like 20 minutes, now it's like 100, 100 something like. Oh, yeah. I do that. It seems as though that's accelerated too. It's started out with like 20, then it's like 100, 100 something like.

Oh yeah, answer is crazy. I don't even get through all of them. So I don't, and obviously there's something like you sell loves to put like stupid ones in there all the time. I'll get like five from him that are like racist, sexist. I'm like, come on man. He's just trying to set me up

because it doesn't show his name, right? It just shows the question right there. So fuckers, I'm really thinking about that. I love when you get, yeah. I love when he gets on people's like Instagram live and then like, you can ask him a question and then they look at it and you see an expression on their face and they keep going

and they, you're like, I know you saw that. Social media was made for that. Yeah. I think it was absolutely made for that. Dude, I read, was it your article? This might have been another one of your things that you put, It was what you posted. The top posted influencers. Yes. I found that incredibly fascinating that the top, I think it was 10 or 20, highest paid influencers on Instagram. Instagram. I didn't know a single one. And what is crazy

to me, what they did is they took them make you feel really old or makes me feel very insignificant. Yeah. Well, it makes me feel like it was a huge ocean. Well, I love it. I love the fact that I don't know where they are because it's not a good thing. Yeah, because what's crazy, what they did is they didn't select celebrities like right. It's easy to go like when they're old. Yeah, it's different if it's Paris Hilton. She's already famous if she gets on Instagram, then you're out.

But just random people that have become these massive influencers are an Instagram. Number one was that I don't remember her name. The makeup check. Yeah, and she makes $18,000 per sponsored post on Instagram. So she just posts something on Instagram, she'll make 18 grand. Just off the sheer number of people. How many times does she have sponsored ads? Does it say?

I have no idea how they would organize it. Yeah, I doubt you'd do a ton. Yeah, exactly. I was thinking spread it out. Yeah, I doubt you do a ton. Yeah, exactly. I was thinking spread it out. Yeah, I mean, you're making 18 grand every time plus you post one a week, you're ballin'. Well, I would, I mean, you're doing pretty damn well just by doing that.

I would think that, even if you did one a month, you're doing pretty damn good. I would think that she probably makes the majority of her revenue off of her own stuff. She started to make a blind. Yeah, so that's gotta be where she's like. Which thing about that? If she's smart, she starts her own make a blind. Yeah, that's got to be what you think about that. I mean, you, if she's smart, she starts her own makeup line. That's a good thing. I can just imagine based

off of mind pumping our, how small our reach is, if you had a makeup line and then in addition, that you're also making $18,000 a post and you're right, she probably makes way more on her own personal product. Well, there was that one YouTube celebrity girl who did makeup and she had a monthly subscription model. Yes. And I forgot what the seven million a month. I feel like we should be selling it. I'm not selling it.

It was something stupid for something ridiculous. Seven million a month and ridiculous. So, so God, makeup is a huge market, isn't it? Yeah. It's got to be a massive market. And guys are starting to wear makeup. So massive. I feel like, I really want Adam to get into this.

I actually looked into it. You know who did my buddy and I, you know Lawrence, you know Lawrence. So this was like fuck, I don't know like eight or ten years ago. So the hustle was to buy Mac, these Mac products at wholesale and then go down the flea market and flip it and sell it. And you can make a ton of money doing that. Wait a minute. Or you could back then, I don't know if it's still right.

So you buy it at wholesale so you get it for cheaper selling at the market. Yeah, you go buy it, you would buy and bulk it. That's what we're going to do. What would the markup be? It's like a double up. That much? Yeah. If you can get it at wholesale, so you just need your wholesale license, which Lawrence

had at that time because he was doing sneakers and other stuff. And we talked about this and he was like, dude, you want to go in with me and we'll buy bulk, we'll buy like $5,000 worth of makeup, we'll go down the flea market on weekends and we'll flip it and we'll sell it. No way. Yeah, I was just-

I could imagine what I was- I know, right? Is this close to doing it? I think this is when I was also doing the detailing business. So, you know, two ideas that I thought were actually really smart ideas. It's just that one, I never wanted to sell makeup and two, I never wanted to wash cars. I just thought the business was smart. And it was two big factors. And then, right, you know, as a

young kid and a young, you know, aspiring entrepreneur, I, you know, you don't really think about that stuff. You think about money. Yeah about the money and the potential of it and stuff like that. We had a question of the day about entrepreneurship. I mean, that's to me that you can have a great idea and it could be very successful, but what you might find out sometimes is that you just don't fucking like doing it,

you don't wanna do it, you know? What does that say right there, Doug? Is that how much she's worth? Yeah, this woman in her name is Huda Katan. Her approximate cost per Instagram post is $33,000. YouTube earnings $134,000, but she started the makeup line. I think it brings in $550 million.

That's her net worth. Half a billion dollars. That's her net worth. So, again, like I said, men are starting to wear makeup nowadays. That's an untapped market. Wow. Make, men, make up for men.

Yeah. Yeah, bro face. Bro face. Bro face. I'm going to start it. It's not a bad idea. Am I right? I like the name too.

Yeah, because it's like, you know, we're talking about Deandrogeny factor and like women are into that whole thing, you know, there might be something there about You know, you're going to the gym, but you want a little bro face. Did you guys all watch American media? No, I haven't seen you. Oh, you haven't. Did you watch you last night? I watched the first episode just one Yeah, I did just want what do you tell him about just one well because one episode I wake up in the morning early Dude I got the kids ready for school and I can't go to bed at midnight like you oh god Yeah, I got a drop-back The drawbacks of being a daddy. Yeah, well, you know, whatever.

But it was pretty good. The first episode was good. I think I'm gonna like it. Oh, you're gonna like it even more then. Cause I think almost all first episodes, especially on good ones, tend to be a little slower cause you just gotta kinda build,

you gotta build the character, you gotta build, you set the stage, right? Yep. So it gets, he's a psycho dude. Yeah. And I don't wanna say too much. I don't wanna ruin it for anybody, but the guys. Did you guys watching bird box yet? No, I actually I fit. I know you're not gonna ask me. I will you're fed up with me

I'm finally catching up with making a murder like the end of oh my god That whole thing. Yeah, I know I'm like good news. Where you big news guys? It's like a hundred of a so dude. Did you get your limb out of your roof? I did you did I saw that up Yeah, how how difficult was that your limb out of your roof? I did. I saw that up. Yeah. How difficult was that? It was really heavy. I didn't realize how dense and heavy it was.

It was like, I mean, I saw it in half. It was probably like 150 pounds or something, like just the bottom half of it. And so I was struggling to pull that thing out of the top of the roof. And I mean, the whole. It's been long. It was huge. You can picture it was for. There was like a big fork. That's what stopped it from top of the roof. And I mean, the whole, it's been long. It was huge.

You can picture it was pork. There was like a big fork. That's what stopped it from going all the way through. The fork kind of stopped it. So, but anyway, yeah, I'm gonna have to get that fixed and repaired. Well, most important question. Did you get laid or what?

I mean, you bet your sweet ass. No, I don't know. I'm not. So you, yeah, it worked, huh? So you got up there and started sawing away. and you bet your sweet ass. No. I don't know the nut. Yeah. So you worked, huh? So you got up there, started sawing away. It must be the sawdust or something. Shirt came off, and it was just, and then it worked.

It did work. And I think it's almost at a level where it's kind of predictable, so I'm getting worried about it. I'm trying to like sprinkle it in here and there. What if it doesn't really get on the mood? She's just trying to encourage behavior. You know, like you do a dog, you give them a treat. Either way, I really don't care.

I feel like I'm too lazy to do the work. I would just like drive by like construction sites. You know what I'm saying? So I would just take her for a ride. Oh, yeah. She shows you how easily manipulated you are. Yeah, she gets turned on like that. I don't want to get out there and do the fucking work.

I'll just drive her down to some construction sites. You want the assist? Yeah. You can stand next to the hoop. Hey, hurry up, guys. Pass the ball. Come on, guys. Wow.

They all have some of those boards real quick. Oh, that's so bad. I've got lube and I got a lot of plans. So your Katrina told me to remind you about Grindr. Oh God. Yeah, what is this? So first of all, I think it... We know what Grindr is.

I mean, yeah, exactly. Well, to be honest with you, I actually don't know that much about it. Yeah. You know, I don't, obviously. Yeah, yeah, me either, yeah. It's just like Tinder, right? Isn't the same thing?

No, I think it's different. It's more meet-up like. So, okay, first of all, the story I think is way funnier from her perspective, because she went and told everybody at her work and she's like, I can't believe you didn't talk about this on my pump, I'm like, because it's not as funny from my perspective as it is from yours.

Because when she tells a story, she tells it as if she's the guy or she's her and she's watching it happen to me Versus what it was like for me. What happened here? So just like two nights ago we're walking the dogs late at night and You know, it's like eight or nine at night and I just throw on whatever I have So it's like I don't think I've had an underwear on and wearing like fucking like a shawl skinny sweats I've got like my my

Bomber jacket and like beanie. I just look. I keep going right. And we go. We walked to dogs. Now I walk Mazi. She walks Bentley. Um, and you would probably think the opposite because Bentley is a bigger dog than Mazi is the smaller one, but that those are like our dog like Mazi is attached to me more. Bentley is attached to her more. And so that's how we walk them. And we're walking around the corner and you know, Mazze's playing with a stick and stuff and she gets ahead of me by, I don't know, maybe 5, 10 yards. And I'm standing there and this car pulls over. Now from her perspective, this is what she's saying.

And she's like, you know, tall, good looking buff guy walking a cute little white, fluffy dog who's playing with a stick and so that and this car pulls up and the guy pulls up and he haulers at me and he rolls the window down and I didn't hear what he said and I'm like huh and he like shows me the phone and he's like grinder. No, yeah, so he thinks he's meeting up with me for grinder and I'm like, oh, I'm ready. Yeah, I'm like no. No, not me, bro. So she thought it was hilarious. She gets out and sweat. Yeah, she thinks it's hilarious because she's thinking the guys looking for his grinder meet up and he's driving around and he's like, oh please God be this guy.

This buff good looking guy with a cute little white dog. Baby Jesus. Yes, so he's just all excited as he pulls up and then I totally let him down and tell him no, it's not me. So I guess it's a heart breaker. What kind of car was he driving? Oh what was it? It was like, it's a Ferrari, Adam's like, hold on a second.

Yeah, yeah, no, what's it like that? It was more like a Miata. No, it was like Taylor's car. What's Taylor's little infinity? Your car, like an infinity like that. A little model. Yeah, it was a little bit older, wasn't it? It wasn't a nice.

What do you look like? Looked like he was either Hispanic or Asian, it was a little bit older. It wasn't it was in a nice. What do you look like? Looked like he was either Hispanic or eight. It was dark, right? So I didn't know and he was in his car Probably I don't know he didn't look he didn't look fit. He didn't look overweight like a average looking guy So he's literally like just showing his phone. Yeah, he lean he pulled up right next to me And he and he and he leans over the passenger side and he's like shaking his phone and looking at me, you know grinder And I'm like and the first time I didn't put it together like huh, and then he's grinder and I'm like no, no So I guess What if he came at the wrong day? He's all no Katrina. I have no idea who that guy is and he's like texting later

It was like I told you Thursday What the fuck was that? So I'm assuming because I don't know I've never been on grinder, but I guess it you know and you bring up like tender I think it's more I think it's actual meetup. I think it's like meetup and fuck well I think it's it's Tinder but with just men So what would just guys do with it with an app like Tinder? Obviously just fuck yeah think about it. How's it going?

Obviously, everybody's a pig like you? No, but they're all men. So they don't want to get together and read poetry. Well, I mean, I don't want a stereotype, but they're guys. Look, let me ask you a question. When you're going back and forth of the girl talking or whatever, there's a lot of the,

okay, we got to talk. Imagine if it was just like, justin'. Yeah, imagine if it was just Justin. You think that guys, you'd be like, hey, a guy would just be more direct. Or don't imagine it. Way more direct, you know what I'm saying? Of course, they're gonna be like that, they're guys.

So of course, it's gonna be more. So it's just a meetup and fuck app. Like they don't even usually talk, is it, yeah? Yeah, I would think there's apps just like tender or whatever that's just for gay men that is just like tender, but it's just purely gay men on there. Or I would think that tender has an option on there that you would put gay male and it matches you with all gay. I think I don't think you need to go to. So I think it's

a different option. I think it's a different app. Well, I don't think it's exactly like tender, because I think tender already has all those options, doesn't it? I have no idea. I can't imagine that Tinder wouldn't make an option for straighter gay. That's like a, that's pretty obvious to me that would be a no-brainer that you would put that in there.

So I think Grindr's literally made to meet up and fuck. So it's another dating app, but mainly for once. I don't think it's a dating I think it's a fucking yeah, well that's what I mean. Yeah, the member Adult friend finder. God, that's old school. Yeah, I think that's what it was it calls that I still get ads for that Do you know have a buddy that got that met his wife through that? No, and they're still together. Yeah, they got kids and everything no way Really, yeah, that is a love story.

He went on adult friend finder, met this girl to hook up with, and that's, they fell in love. So I train kids to be a friend. I train the girl. That's a great story. I train a girl that was one of the ladies responsible for the creation of it. I don't know how high up she was or whatever, but it was way before I even knew what the fuck it was. She introduced me to it and she was just like selling me on how great it was. Oh. She's like, oh, I travel all over the world and all I have to do is put in my location

and there's five or six people that I could fuck there in that area and just all non-shelomable. I always feel like that women don't need that though. It's kind of easy, right? Isn't it much easier for a woman? I don't know about that so. Really? You don't think it's that easy? I mean, if you're a dime, you know what I'm saying? I think it might... And if you're not though, you could be a nickel. And I think you'd be okay. Yeah, you may be a penny.

Yeah. I mean, somebody's out there. I don't think, I don't think men are that crazy desperate, are they? I mean, I think it's... We're just not as hard. I have no pun intended. We're not that difficult, you know, in that sense.

Like it's not hard to find a man who just wants to have sex. It's much more complicated to find a woman who just wants to have sex. That's a fact, I think that's a fact. I think that the roles have reversed a little bit. Well, maybe it cuts out the whole having to wait till, you know, forever until the bar closes, you know? Right, exactly.

It's just right to the point. Yeah, yeah. So, did you guys see that one post that I did that Taylor guy a little irritated with me because I put the little emojis of the, it was like the little peach in the eggplant. Oh, you did that? Well, I did because.

Did he put that on there? I put it on. So, the article is, and I don't know this. I didn't see you did that well I did because did I put it on so the article is I know this I didn't see you do you guys know that in the UK starting in spring You're gonna need to have a A government idea. I did see that you have to apply for an idea to watch porn online like Like you literally fill something out you have to yeah, I would like to watch porn, please. Yeah, you can have what's called a special porn pass from the government.

It's gonna, and so when you go on, carry it around with you. No, no, I think you go online and- Do you think it's a bad idea? Yeah, I think it's a bad, look, here's the thing. I don't think, I don't think it's great for everybody to look at porn all the time. We've talked about that before,

but I do think it's a bad idea that's a personal decision. Yeah, that government, you know, decisions. Yeah, it's what are they doing? Morality, they're trying to legislate morality. Oh my God, you did do the moat to peach and do that. Wasn't that, wow, that is a little. And I'm sure it's gonna cost money to get this ID. So of course, this way for them to raise money.

Now, didn't they put a tax on, was it soda or, I think I remember like back in the day that it was like some form of like It was either some sugar tax or something Am I wrong in that? Do you remember that? I don't know I don't know. I remember there being a movement in that direction is in terms of trying to Get the get everybody healthier by putting more of a tax on on shitty food All I know is is with this porn past thing, it's gonna be super easy to get around.

I can only imagine, right? Like all somebody has to do is screenshot or download a bunch of it and then share it through other means and then how are they gonna control it? You know what I'm saying? Well, it's no different than dealing music or getting alcohol when you're a kid that's under age. Alcohol's way harder though.

You can't download alcohol. Well yeah, no, it's harder. You imagine if you get download alcohol. You can get it in the mail, maybe. You can get it in the mail and powder form. You can't do it. Yes. Oh, I heard about this.

Yes, it's so dangerous. I can't believe that past. Yeah, you can actually buy powder alcohol and reconstitute it, right? In some liquid or water or whatever. Yes, yes. How have I never heard of this? That, right, in some liquid or water or whatever. Yes. How have I never heard of this? That's right.

It's crazy. Like, think about how dangerous that is. That's great. Pouring a bunch of powder. And you don't even know, like some kids getting a hold of that. And as I say, and you control the percentage of it, I would imagine then. I mean, you could water it way down or you could put just a little bit of it all. Yeah.

What if you fuck up with a decimal? You know what I mean? You put the decimal in the wrong place and like, I think this is, you know, you know, 5% alcohol and it's, you know, well a little bit on it. Yeah, and what if you fuck up with a decimal? You know what I mean? You put the decimal in the wrong place and like, I think this is, you know, five percent alcohol. And it's, you know, wow, I'm buzzed. If you die. Yeah, there was a kid that actually, yes, see, there it is, alcohol, powder alcohol.

Look at that, that's crazy. Yes, it's real, it's already banned in New York. Of course. Oh yeah, good luck. I did not know this. Yeah, man. There was a, can we order some, Doug maybe? Oh, I could try. I mean, I did not know this. Yeah, man. There was this there was a Can we order some Doug maybe? Probably throw. I mean, I want to see it. Well that that reminds me remember when we were in Austin and we tried the

It was like a vape of alcohol. Oh, this is nude. It's only 2015. Look at the name of it. I don't feel so bad The name of this company palco palco hall. palco hall like it's my friend Yeah, it's not my friend If you would you like to forget everything? Are you lonely? Do you want to die? Do you want to die, but kind of do it in a funer way. Do you want to die in a fun?

I'm in palca hall, in a blazing glory. And then you make up your own, I guess your own recipes and stuff. Wow, that's kind of crazy right there. I don't like that. Powder, when they put chemicals in powder form, you get like, there was a kid that died from powder caffeine because he bought, which now I believe, if I'm not mistaken, you can't buy anymore,

but he bought a bag of, you used to be really easy to do, and maybe you can still do it, of powder caffeine. And caffeine is lethal. Oh yeah, if you took like a handful of that powder and just threw it in your mouth. So him and his butt. Which I do some asshole has probably done. Well, him and his buddies thought it would be funny

if he ate a teaspoon of it and he didn't realize he took like 2000 milligrams or something like that. Holy shit. Yeah, which is like, you know, it's like 10 cups of coffee all at once and he died. Yeah. He died from it.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yep, yep, no it's real man. Wow. It's it's pretty crazy So when you do when you do the Stories or memes and you do shit like that. That's edgy like emojis like that Taylor doesn't like Yeah, do you get pushback on by your Followers, no, they love it. Yeah, or stuff that you say no

We expect that I get shit all the time you get pushback. Yeah, I do I boy It seems that anytime I yeah, but I'm nicer than you. That's why yeah, no, you get pushback. Yeah, I do I will it seems that anytime I am nicer than you That's why yeah, no, you're more like yeah sure Most to least like yeah, yeah Justin yeah, no Justin went Justin and Doug win for sure It's the feeling sorry just Justin and Doug are most liked if on a scale one to 10 there get there's Eight to ten you tried and you and I fall in the middle. What did you say? You're the sorry faster feeling sorry.

That's not. No, it's not, dude. It's good. You're just more related. I like it. It's true. You're more relatable. No, I'm fluffier.

So what kind of pushback do you get? People always try and here, I don't know like, I don't know the right answer to this, right? Like, what do you guys believe? You know here because we've we've built this platform Because there is now a lot of people that listen to the show and follow everything that we're doing Do you believe that we have some sort of responsibility because of that? You know, I feel it. I definitely feel a certain responsibility. For example, if I say, if I give out like

really terrible or dangerous fitness or nutrition advice, I know that there's people who, I know some people who follow me will be like, okay, South said it. Okay, so I agree with this because that is what we've built this platform on is our fitness knowledge and experience. So I do feel the response, I'll go with this one. I do feel the responsibility of the information that we present related to that. I would think that we, I don't know if I would consider myself an expert, but I would think that I am a professional in that field.

Therefore, if I'm presenting information related to health and fitness, I do feel a responsibility to present good information, right? Everything else though, it's fucking fair game in my opinion. Everything else is me. Everything else is... Well, the responsibility being that you're authentically who you are, and that's how I feel.

I feel it's more important for me to say how I feel, be who I am, be as authentic as I possibly can, regardless of it, a fucking offends a bunch of people or not, than it is for me to be careful of what I say, because I might hurt somebody's feelings or, you know, it was related to the recent episode we just did where I was talking shit about my roommate, Casey. And I was rolling among the bus. Oh, that was a gross fucker. Yeah, and of course, like, you know, some people come to his rescue about addiction, you know,

and, you know, I, you know, I can't believe. Yeah, yeah, and they're giving me shit that I, because you were, because you were talking shit, because you were the co-cat, you were, right, you were more sensitive about that. Right. And listen, it's not that I don't have empathy for addiction. I too have battled with addiction.

I mean, anybody that has, and we'll probably tell you that opiate addiction is probably the fucking worst. Yeah. And it was a nightmare. So it's not that I don't have empathy for somebody that struggles with that, but I also don't feel sorry. And I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me. Like I fucking made the choice to put those in my mouth.

I made the choice to keep coming back and doing it again. Like don't feel sorry for me. I just don't understand why it's okay to call somebody an asshole if they do other things, but not an asshole if they're, I mean, that started somewhere, it was his decision. Right. And so, you know,

well, not to mention that I actually went light on the guy. Like there's a lot of things that- There was way more shit. Yeah, there's way more shit that that fucker did, like as far, Kayla, here's an example in a talk about. I so, I had just, you remember my lifted Chevy, right? Yeah, that shit was three weeks old. And I was taking him out because he had a really rough,

a really rough like something happened in his family. I don't even remember what it was. But I wanted to bring him up to my best friend's house and take him wakeboarding and kind of get his mind off of it, being a good dude. And he's in the backseat of my of my brand new fucking truck and lights up a cigarette. And I'm like, oh, dude, I'm like, can you wait? And he's just like, oh, man, you know, and he's kind of like making me feel bad about telling him, no, right? And I'm like, fuck, okay, just please be careful back there. Son of a bitch, fucking burns a hole in my seats, dude.

Oh my God. It's brand new. I mean, there's a laundry list of things that this guy did that I don't ask for. And I was a really good person to him. And then you're addicted to Coke and I don't know about it and you don't express it. You don't give me an opportunity to even help you there.

Like, fuck you. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't feel sorry for talking shit about that person. And I think I could have went on and on and on about all kinds of other stuff. So, and then somebody- Do you know what he's up to now? I have no idea.

Yeah, I have no idea where he's at or where he's, it's been so long since I had- Have you guys ever known somebody that was a complete just shit butt and then like years later, you've never heard of from him and then years and years later you ran into him and they're totally different. Has that ever happened you? Oh yeah.

I had this sales guide, this guy that worked for me selling memberships and he was, you know, he wasn't a bad dude. He was an okay salesperson. He showed up to work and did his job, but he was kind of a slime ball. Just kind of a douchebag. Just the way he talked about girls, the way he whatever. And somebody who would not trust around your sister

or friends that were female or anything like that, right? I see this guy, I became friends with him on Facebook like a month ago. He's got four kids, talks all about, he's like super hyper Christian now, always talks about God. You know, I love my families and that, talks to me, you know, comments on certain things,

totally different, completely different person. So it's weird to see that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I ran into this bully, like from junior high, I remember distinctively, I hated this guy, like he was just such a dick to everybody. And like, you could tell something must have, like now I think about it, something must have been happening at home

where he was just lashing out on everybody. But I mean, he picked like, we got in a fight because he picked up this like dirty condom, like, and then like threw it at me. And like, what school did you go to? Yeah. I know, right? That's a dirty condom on campus. Yeah, on the junior high campus. On junior high? I know, right? That's a dirty condom on campus. Yeah. On the junior high campus. I know. Oh my God. Yeah, dude. Yeah, we were

a gangster ass kids. We were a, you know, ahead of our time, I guess. But yeah, so that, I mean, I just I raged a raging on the guy. We got into it and all this and then like on the football, it was great because he had never played a sport I could tell. And then he thought he was all tough and like decided to in high school, get on the football team and I'm like, oh, fuck yes. You know, like, oh, yeah, you're a tough guy, right? And so we get into like a hitting drills and I'm just unleashing on this guy, like relentlessly, relentlessly over and over, just hitting him as hard as I can.

And just, just this, just to stain and thendain and then he's talking shit to me. We had this like just relationship where I'd seen him on campus and I just couldn't stand the guy. And I meet him at like one of the high school games the old like alumni game or whatever and he comes over and he like apologized to me and I'm just like, ugh.

No way. Yeah, and I just I didn't want, like I was just like it was hard for me to accept it, you know? Cause I just I had so much of just like, ugh, no way. Yeah, and I just, I didn't want, like it was just like, it was hard for me to accept it, you know? Cause I just, I had so much of that, like, like I wanna, I see his face. You know, I'm just like, ugh, yeah, like, no, don't, don't do that, like I, yeah. Oh man.

But it was good, it was good for me, cause it was like, wow, like people can change. That's weird that he apologized to, like he was fully aware that he was a douchebag. He knew, he knew he's a douchebag. But again, like this is me like reflecting back, like I guarantee he was going through all kinds of shit Are those violies they are those sweats right there. Yeah, are those are new ones? These aren't the brand new ones so they have they have a new line that just came out of the of the pants

This one with a little zipper on the side of them I forget the the the name of these one. These are my favorite Pants that they that they have so far, but I'm really excited. I don't think I told you guys yet, when Taylor resigned the contract with them, he negotiated an outfit for all of us every single month. So we can pick out more?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah, I know, I forgot to tell you guys. I was actually considering taking all four for myself And I'm like that's way too much. I don't know what a jerk would not put a pass. He just decided right now We have to mention viewer I guess I should mention this literally this second. He just thought of it It's the only like active wear or whatever you want to call it that I've gotten compliments on like you never get complimented on sweats It's exciting. it's actually really exciting

to see them see how rapidly they are growing in the fitness space. I mean, they really are making a run. Now, do you like to work out in them also? Because they're designed for exercise. Yes and no, I don't think they're designed for you just exercise. Well, no, I mean, yeah, it's active.

Yeah, right. So, you can, it's very similar. I mean, I think the, and I'm sure they'd be mad at me for mentioning this in a, in a Viori mention, but, you know, what, I think part of what made Lulu so popular was they created this great gym apparel wear that people were also wearing out because it looked good, it fit great, it's like comfortable, it's all the above, and it's made of high quality material, so it's nice. It's fashionable.

Right. So I prefer to work out in Viori, like the sweats or whatever. Yeah, I would actually, because they don't, I hate working out in long pants, period, in the story. But I don't mind the Viori ones because I don't feel like I'm suffocating it. That's the weird part. I even wear, like, so what do they call the technical pants, the actual pants, not the sweats.

Oh yeah, the tactical ones. Yeah, so I've actually, I've actually, technical, technical, I don't know, there's our technically pants. They're technically pants, like if you wanna get to the brass tax, but I can squat and I can deadlift and I can do all these things.

Like I just, I love it because I'll go work outside and then I'm like, I wanna get a little workout in. And I don't have to like make a whole big deal out of it where I have to go change and do all this stuff and then go back out. And so I've been like wearing pants working out like the majority of the time. I've always just hated working out in long pants.

I feel constricted and suffocated. And I get really hot. Yeah. Exactly. And so I've always hated it. I never understood how people could work out in so much. As much as I work out in long pants, I feel constricted and suffocated. And I get really hot. Exactly. And so I've always hated it. I've never understood how people could work out in so much. As much as I work out in it, I would say I wear it out more than anything else. Because I like them. I really like to fit.

I like how they look. I like how they feel. You can get away with it. And I can, if I wear like today, I'm wearing them. So I could turn around and wear them in two days because they're not going to get really dirty. If I don't, unless I sweat them. If I sweat them, I got to wash them.

I got to wait for the rotation to come around, right? Which is like, you know, Katrina does laundry once a week. So I gotta wait till the following week before I wear them. Yeah, cause it's got for a bit of you did laundry. Easy, bro. So, a runes yet for me or what? Dude, I just started trying to- Don't fuck up my household.

Yeah, come and fuck up my household. Things are going just fine over there. I'm saying. It's so bad. Yeah. Yeah, you know. Yeah, but, you know, you could do it every once in a while. I'm saying. It's so bad. Yeah. Yeah, you know. Yeah, but, you know, you could do it every once in a while.

A little faster, old. Just throw it all over there. Throw it all over there. Throw it all over there. It's not a big deal. So I've just figured this out. Yeah, it's not a big deal. Virtue signal and all that.

Do you do your laundry? I do, I like doing laundry for, for, I have, well, first of all, I have my kids and so they have a lot of, the kids produce a lot of, it's endless. It's endless. I don't mind doing it because I put music on and it's kind of meditative. I know that sounds stupid, but it's a mental space I have to put myself in to do this kind of stuff.

Otherwise, I'll dread it. You know what? What house chores do you guys do and you don't do? Like, what do you guys like to do? You don't mind doing it and then like, what do you absolutely hate to do? I do, I do laundry quite a bit. Who cleans the house most of the time?

For you, like, who's doing the floors, the toilets, who's cleaning the house? Well, we have somebody that comes once a week to do that, but then Jessica, Jessica doesn't want to do that. You gotta make once a week? Yeah, once a week. Yeah, once a month. Yeah, yeah.

That's a lot. Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. But I got kids. You must be a slump. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we are on every 10 days is what I have.

I've figured it out after all these. Yeah, because kids are messier than dogs. Well, I was gonna say that's the only reason why I have it every 10 days. I would have it once or twice a month if it was just Katrina and I, but the dogs, I mean, their hair gets there and have wood floors. So it within easily within a week, you're starting to see hair and that just drives me crazy. And it just makes the place look dirtier than what it really is.

So every 10 days I have somebody come in and take care of all the deep cleaning. No, we like things to be organized and clean. So we have someone come once a week, but then Jessica does a lot of the stuff in the house, but if there's dishes all clean them, if there's stuff that needs to get washed, I do a lot of laundry, that's my favorite thing. Who's cleaner and messier out of you guys as partners? Like who's the neat freak or who's all clean them, if there's stuff that needs to get washed, I do a lot of laundry, that's my favorite thing to do.

Who's cleaner and messier out of you guys as partners? Who's the neat freak or who's the clean one? Who's the dirty one? We're probably both guilty, that's the problem. You guys are both slabs. Yeah, but in different ways. What do you mean? In ways that's food on the cell.

I dirt wise, I'm a track dirt and I, you know, it doesn't bother me, dirt wise on the'm like a track dirt and I, you know, it doesn't bother me, like dirt wise on the floors. But actual clutter drives me fucking crazy. So, okay. So I am constantly grabbing things and trying to organize and put them in places and do things and build shit to put them in places. And every time I get home, there's stuff on the dinner table

or like the counters that's just like strewn papers and you know, clothes and whatever the fuck and it drives me insane. But same on her end where it's like I'm like like she's like, oh, always sweeping like what right after me because I'm just like tracking shit and I realize it. But I used to hate washing dishes, but I realized I have to like it. You know, and like kind of what you figured out so. Like I, it's like, no, this has to be my thing because I don't cook.

I'm just, I'm not a cook. I'm like, I've done it. I'll do grilling all day. Like I'll do anything outside. I feel like that counts. Why did people discount that? I feel like that counts. Because you're limited, I think.

You know, like at some point. I can grill a lot of shit. Yeah. I mean, that's the only time I take over dinners. Because you're limited, I think. You know, like at some point. I can't do a lot of shit. Yeah. I mean, that's the only time I take over dinners. It's grilling. Yeah, same here. In the summertime, I do mostly cooking because of that. Because it's a great, yeah.

Actually, I actually really enjoy it. So that's what I want. That's so, and I love like, you know, preparing that and marinating the meats and all that kind of stuff. See, the way I cook is very much like a body builder, I guess. Is that, I look at the foods as like proteins, fats, and carbs. Like, okay, what are we gonna do?

Dude, I lived off the George Foreman grill in college, man. So my kids are always like, you know, steak and rice again and broccoli again. I'm like, it's amazing. Yeah, it's exciting, right? Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing, you know, different or new about it. So Jessica's far more creative in that.

What about you? Who's more clean? You were Katrina. You it's funny and I think she's she's she's gonna be mad for me saying this right here, but when we first so those that don't know can you when Katrina and I first met I I only had my house for about a year later and I sold it and I moved in with her. So I'm 20 years old when I get my place. So, and when I bought my place at 20 or 21, it was like a big deal for me. And I was like, took care, I was super anal clean, white floors, white couches, white,

every, no, totally, everything was super clean. And I kept it like that. And when she came into the relationship, I was already moved out of my place. I was running some of the rooms out and I was on the way to selling it. And I really didn't care about it. I'm not in it or whatever.

And I didn't care about the place. I moved in with her. And for the first time, and here I am at like almost 30 years old and I'm living in her place. And I just didn't have the same sense of pride. I really didn't. And I remember we kind of get into it every once in a while

because she would mention like, you know, when I'd see your place, it was never, you'd never left shit out. You always did the dishes like, you know, she, and I'd feel guilty. Now would she pick up after you? Yeah, she did. Maybe that's why. Yeah, no, she did. She absolutely did.

And for a long time in our relationship for shit, I mean, six of the six or seven of the eight years, Katrina 100% did most all the household stuff, cleaned up behind me. And I remember having like this, I struggled with this a lot. Like why the fuck am I, why do I can't get up to do this stuff? And I would have moments of where I would

because I'm like having all the self-talk and then I would fall off the wagon again of doing that. And I really struggle with it. I know she was challenged with it a little bit. And by the way, too, I'm not messy because this is me being going from like super anal clean guy to all sudden,

okay, I'm not really picking up after myself but I'm not a slob either. I would never let it get crazy. But enough to where she's having to pick up after me. Well, we just recently moved into, where we're now four months or five months, I don't know, some are around there, into our new place and it's just her and I, right?

And when we did, we got rid of everything and started all from scratch and it's everything's brand new in my house. Everything's brand new, it's nice. I picked it out or she picked it out, we picked it out together. And now I'm back to me. Like I, I'm the one who comes behind her.

And you know, she'll come walking in from a long day of work. She sets her purse down on the counter, she throws her coat over the chair, she sits down whatever mail she was carrying, and I freak out right away. Like I, why, why do you put this here? It has a place hanging up in here. And so she's like, what the fuck?

Like where did this come from? Like you were never like this and I guess it was, I guess there's something to be said about that when. Now, is she happy now? Now that you're doing that. I mean, like, and, or is she like, I like it the other way? No, I think if you were to ask her,

she, she greatly appreciates because I help out around. I mean, many times she comes home now and the house is already spotless and clean because, I mean, before I go to even where, she gets up earlier than I do and leaves I clean in the morning and then I clean again when I come back so I'll come I'll get up in the morning straight up whatever dog toys we had out or full blankets or you know get the couch like back to like perfect and then when I come home I do it again and so when she gets home from work later

on the night the house is normally clean there's clean, there's no dishes, there's no nothing. And it's crazy how your environment will start to reflect the way you feel in your mind. If it's cluttered, if it's dirty, you start to feel anxious, you start to feel. And this is real, many times anxiety experts will tell you, if you're very anxious, one of the things they'll tell you is to go organize your closet or organize your garage or organize a room.

Have you guys seen the tidying up on that? Yeah, I was just talking about that. Yeah, it's a great show. No, I heard it was great. I was actually with my, yesterday I got my haircut and I'm talking to my hair, which by the way, I'm jumping all over stories here today. It's so crazy how once somebody gets looks at or anything to do with Organifi,

Organifi has to be one of the best companies when it comes to retargeting people. And so I walk in the salon, I haven't been there in a few weeks and I had three different hairstyles walk up to me, asking me all about Goldjuice. Now, I was like, what is this coming from out of nowhere? And they must have all either bought a product

or looked at something before because they're all getting nailed with the new, the new gold juice. And they said, like, hey, is it, and it reminds me too, and this is very important, I think, for us to like keep our pulse on how the average consumer looks at products and things like that.

Because the questions they're asking me, I'm very honest about stuff, and I'm not gonna, just because we're sponsored by them, I'm not gonna push and sell a product hard, and they're like, hey, should I get that gold juice? It's said this, and they're saying all these grandiose things, and I'm like, no, it's, listen, like, it's not gonna be, it's not something revolutionary,

it's got stuff in it that's been around for a very long time. Do I use it? Absolutely, I love it, but is it something that I have to take every single night? No, no supplement should be there. No, it's not exactly. And I'm trying to have this conversation with all of them. Like, it's, because they were asking questions, like, is it gonna make this big difference? Like, am I gonna lose 30 pounds?

Right, you know, or is it like, oh my God, is it gonna be, am I gonna get the most amazing sleep because of it? I think if people really had realistic expectations from supplements, like, okay, I'm going to take this and it's going to help move my digestion, or I may notice, you know, deeper sleep, or it's going to fulfill some of my nutrient requirements. I think it'd be, the people would be much better off versus having these expectations that, no, nothing will ever fill.

Like you can't, there's nothing that in the world that you'll take and it's gonna just slap 10 pounds of muscle on your body and make you lose 30 pounds of body fat. It's not gonna make you beautiful if you're ugly. It's not gonna, all of a sudden, make you smart if you're dumb. But there are some benefits, and I think people understand the real... Well, what I explain to them them and what I said is that, listen, I love the gold juice.

I absolutely use it. Is that become your favorite now? Of their products? Yeah. Yeah. Or is it still the green? Well, I mean, the green, okay, if I were to say the things that I've used the most, I've used the green,

number one, I use that the most, then maybe the gold or a close second would be when I need protein and when I need my protein and taking I use the protein powder, are probably the ones I use the most. But what I was trying to explain to them was, if you've got issues in your relationship, your stress at work, you got all this other...

You're not exercising. You're not exercising, you got all this stuff going on in your life and you're having trouble sleeping, And then your answer is to buy the gold juice. Like, that's, you're not addressing the root cause. Now, does that mean that, uh, I don't use it as a tool like that? No, I do. I mean, I, I know there's certain days when I, I have got a lot on my plate, and I know that I've been on my computer and my brain's going like crazy. And so then yeah, and I've talked about it on the show before, I'll take a couple droplets of my Ned, I'll take the orange juice and mix it in warm coconut milk, or what did I

say? Orange juice, I'll never get that, they hate me for that, I know that. Adam, you sell a ton of orange juice. Lauren, I love you. Yeah, minute made is fucking killing it right now. No, so I love it like that. And, you know, is there something about drinking the warm milk with it at night and kind of helps settle me?

I don't know, but it does help me in those cases. Now, do I use it every single night? No, I don't, because I don't want, I don't want to have to use it every single night. I'd rather, if there's something in my life that's causing me horrible sleep every single night, I need to address that. Like, it's not a magic pill, right? Yeah. I had to have a similar conversation with my best friends that, but in terms of like the goal or not the goal, the green juice, because I recommend actually gave him one of mine

to try it out because I knew his eating habits were just, you know, atrocious and when you're eating nothing but processed food all the time, I mean, he would work out and he was like fairly active, but, you know, I knew he didn't eat vegetables. Like, that was one thing I was just, I could see right away. Like, now him just drinking that consistently for like a week,

I met up with him again and he's just like, had this like amazing, like I hope he like, oh my God, like I feel so much different, but it's because of the massive deficiency. Yeah. That's when you actually do feel like it's a magic pill, but then I have to like, reign that in now. Right.

Okay, like you see what that makes your body feel like, but like we have to incorporate real foods and vegetables in your life. That's what it's telling you. Well, it's also, too. A lot of people like to have a drink that tastes good at some point during the day and believe it or not, I never realized this was a problem until I became a trainer that some people just don't like drinking water all the time, which I think is weird because I could just drink

water all the time. It's not a problem. But a lot of people like, well, I like to have a beverage that tastes good every once in a while. So here you go. Have here drink this gold juice at night or the green juice drink. Well, I think it's like one of those things

that I think everybody should have in their cover, but and I know that supplement companies would like it or I know their goal is to make rituals out of it. You know, that, oh, before bed, you always have this or oh, yeah, but. That's the rituals out of it. You know that, oh, before bed, you always have this or oh, yeah, but that's the key to selling up. Right. And that's the key to selling it and making money, but that's never will I ever recommend to a client like that. Like every day you should take a green juice. Like no, every day you should try and get flucked vegetables. Every day your goal should be not to take

it. But the reality is, because I know, because I even know that I'm trying, that there's a lot of days that I fall short of that. So then I utilize it. Like that, that's, but I'm not having it going like, oh, I'm doing a good job, I'm having my green juice every single day, I'm going, oh, I missed, I didn't get enough vegetables in today.

So now I'm having this, or oh, I'm really stressed. And so now I'm using this tool. It's not like something that you want to become something that's a ritual. And I'm sure the company is probably not, doesn't get excited about hearing, but that's just how that's that's the truth It's gonna be honest. Yeah, no, that's that's how and that's the only way out ever feel comfortable ever even selling I probably use it more than than any of you guys. I'm sure the green juice. Yeah, all of their stuff

Probably just cuz I like you know why cuz we have it in the closet over here So in between episodes I tend to go out there and mix them up. So the green juice, I mean, that's one I actually do use quite consistently. Yeah, I'd have like, I'm not a big supplement guy to begin with. And that's something that I have used that like more. Well, don't you, I think it's because, I mean, at least for me, the hardest thing. And I remember after we had Terry Walsh on the show. Yeah.

And for example, when we had her on the show and she talked about, you know, six to eight like large servings of vegetables every day. And I was like, even if you think you're, you're doing well. Right. And that was exactly what I was saying. And that was something that really was like, wow, I'm like nowhere near that. And so that's why I think I use it as much as I use it is because it's rare that I ever get close.

It's rare that I have four or five meals and all four or five of them have a really big look. But I do, sometimes I do. And when I do, then I'm not drinking the green juice. But, and I may not even do it if I miss one day like that. Oh, one day. But if I, you know, know that I, hey, it's been a couple of days since I've been very Consistent with my vegetables 100% I'm using it. So I I for sure use that one the most it's that whole

You know most people underestimate or overestimate their consumption Of particular things so like if something's supposed to be good for you We tend to overestimate it like if you talk to the average person say hey, do you eat enough vegetables? So I'd say like yeah, yeah, I think I do. But then when they start to track, you're like, well, you actually don't, right? Or do you eat too many calories? No, I don't eat too many calories and they track it.

Like, well, actually you are eating far too many calories. So I think it's one of those things where we tend to over underestimate and vegetables is part of it. It's like the, like when we do this omega-3 test and we look at the omega-3 levels in our blood, and you're thinking like, I eat enough fish and you look at it. It's like the, like when we do this Omega 3 test and we look at the Omega 3 levels in our blood and you're thinking like, I eat enough fish and you look at it and you're like, I'm not.

My Omega 3s are too low. That is shocking. So I need to take fish oil to get that up. That was shocking for me. Exactly, yeah. Exactly, so. This quaz brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting

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They're talking about the Theragon. They're talking about the foam rollers at vibrate, the little like those tools at Dr. Brinkhalla. Oh yeah, we have some here. We have, oh the hyperice ones. Yeah, the hyperice ones. Those are great. Actually, I love, you know my favorite one is that ball.

The one that you kind of see, right on the pier formus. Yeah. So we do have them here. I use them pretty infrequently. I don't, it's not like a go-to thing that I utilize, but I would say this last year, because we've had them in the studio for this whole last year, I probably used them 10 times.

I'd say about 10 times I use it. It's a tool, you know, it's like, I think that, yeah. They've been around forever. I mean, the original massaging tools were these big vibrating head massagers that unfortunately started getting used for sex, but really they were designed for, or fortunately, they were used for loosening up muscles.

And really the way they work, or the way I think that they work, is they, when you send that kind of a signal to the body, or it's so fast that it causes the central nervous system to almost relax. And so when you're foam rolling, for example, and I'm trying to work out a muscle, really what I'm trying to do is I'm applying pressure, it's painful, and it's telling my CNS to calm down so that that muscle then kind of loosens up. The vibrating component, I think,

accelerates that process and also makes it a little bit less painful because it's sending so many different signals that you're not perceiving the pain the same way. Does that make sense? So it's like, it's almost like when you put menthol on something that hurts, the menthol isn't making the pain go away in the sense that it's penetrating and giving you a different sensation. It's a different...

Yeah, and your brain is perceiving the cold rather than the pain so you don't feel it. That's what these vibrating tools I think help do. I heard somebody describe, like, they call it the overbearing mother, the central nervous system sometimes because of all of the governings that are in place, you know, to kind of protect you. And sometimes it can really, the signal is way too strong. And you know, for like the vibrating tool for me, if I'm driving and I'm constantly been in traffic all the time and I get really tight and I'm driving, and I've constantly been in traffic all the time,

and I get really tight, and I do mobility flows, and I really kind of try and get movement, but sometimes, I mean, I'm still, I got these knots, and I got things that are really restrictive, and that signal is just overbearing, so that's when I'll use the vibrating, it really does help to kind of get me into that place. Here's a good experiment you could do on your own

to see kind of how this works. So try to hold on to something stable like a pull-up bar. Like let's say you're holding onto a pull-up bar and trying to hang as long as you can. And then have somebody apply a very strong vibration to the bar. So maybe they put something like a vibrator or something on the bar, make a vibrator,

and notice how much less time you can hold on the bar. You'll find that you're not able to grip the bar because the vibration is almost weakening you. It feels like it's weakening you. And really what it's doing again is it's sending so many signals to the body that the CNS kind of backs off. It relaxes. You can't squeeze the bar anymore.

It makes you feel like you need to let go. And so what they're doing is they're taking advantage of what's happening here with these tools that are designed to loosen up tight areas. Because many times when you feel tight, like if you feel tension in your neck or tightness in your back or your perforumus or your hips, really what you're feeling is tightness in the muscle,

but it's not tight in the same way that like a rubber band will be tight or that a rope is tight. It's tight just because your essential nervous system is sending a signal to that muscle and it's telling it to be slightly flexed. It's to be slightly flexed. You need to visualize it like you're almost like kneading bread. You know, like way back in the day, like that's how I used to look at foam rolling It's to be slow. Ding Lies to visualize it like you're almost like needing bread. Yes.

You know, like way back in the day, like that's how I used to look at foam rolling and that whole process was I just, I must be all bunched up with my muscle tissue and I have to like knead it out. It's not true, right? No, it was so mind blowing for me to learn this later on in my career, like stretching, for example, as a good example of this. I could take anybody who's tight and I can increase their range of motion by at least a couple inches within 30 minutes.

Like, it may be not permanent, but with this, you go and stretch, you'll find that at the end of your stretch session, you're more flexible and you have more range of motion than you did at the beginning. Now, does that mean that you actually lengthen the muscle? No, it just, your central nervous system literally laid off a little bit. It kind of took a back seat and allowed the muscle to relax a bit because the central nervous

system has been, now things it's safe to do so. And so these vibrating machines will do this and so you can take advantage of this effect on your body when you're really tight. You know, another thing that does this are those big vibrating plates that you stand on. Yeah, yeah. What else is called vibrating plates? Something plate, is it just vibrating plate? No, I don't know.

Yeah, so power plate. Power plate, thank you. I remember when those first came out, I thought it was the biggest crock of shit ever. I was like, this is so stupid. Biggest waste of money all time. $50,000. Yeah, I still think it's a insane investment. I just don't think it's worth the investment. However, you know, not that long ago, maybe about four years ago, I got a membership at the club

one gym down in, was that Silver Creek. And they have a power plate in there. And because it's there, I messed with it a little bit. And I found that when I would just get on it and turn it on, it real strong, I could immediately get into a deeper squat position. That would normally take me about 10 to 15 minutes of stretching and warming up to be able to do. So it's like a faster way of getting my CNS to calm down a little bit.

Well, in these, in two, these have become very popular to, they're almost like attachments to a drill. I've seen which, man, it feels good though. I mean, it's like a self-massager or something along those lines, but at the same time, it's, this is an acute sort of fix

to the real underlying problem. I wouldn't even call it a fix though because... Or just like relief, I should just say, yeah, not fix. Because there's a right way to use these and then there's a waste of time way to use it. Well, you're not... Here's the thing, we actually were in negotiations with a couple of these companies and we didn't do it.

And part of the reason why we didn't do it was, and I can almost guarantee, almost all these people that you see on social media that are pushing it, it's performance driven, they want, these companies want to pay you based off of your sales. And I look at this very, very similar to supplements. And one of the things that we would never do on this show

is also be paid by a company based off of our performance with selling the supplements and pushing them. I think it's something that can absolutely aid in some relief temporary relief but you're not addressing the root cause the same thing I believe about supplements. It's like, do I use vitamin D occasionally? Yeah, because I don't get enough sunlight sometimes. And so that's, but ideally I would rather be in the sun and getting it naturally than me actually supplementing it. Well, if you roll or use these vibrating tools because you've got hip or knee pain and it gives you temporary relief, you're not fixing the problem, you're not fixing the root cause,

because it'll just keep happening to you again. And I didn't feel comfortable with us pushing a product like this and trying to get people to buy it and use it all the time when it's, they're not really doing what they should be doing, which is addressing the root cause. Now, I was okay with us talking about it and sharing our stories on how we've all used it or we would

utilize it, but to make us talk about it to where we are having to promote it to sell it and push it all the time, just wasn't going to happen. And so we completely turned that down because of that, because none of us in this room, I can't remember the last time I've seen either one of you on it. Now, we have them, and yes, I have used them. I said maybe 10 times this last year, I've got on those things in use them, and I've had some clients, friends of mine,

and stuff that have used them. But I don't think it's something that everybody needs to have, and in fact, I do think that you should go deeper into why. If my hip hurts and I've got pain there and I roll on this thing and oh, wow, it makes it feel better, that's not the answer to my problem, isn't going and doing it. The same way I feel about a lot of chiropractors that just readjust you and make you feel better afterwards, it's not that the chiropractors aren't helping you or making you feel they're not addressing the root cause by just popping you back into place. You need to do the work and figure out why do I feel this way.

And so that's kind of how I feel about these tools. I think it's a tool. I think it's something that if you have extra money to spend on things like this, I think that's great. I think, you know, have it in your gym or have it in your gym bag as a nice go-to thing. But to just keep using it, to alleviate this pain that you keep having on your IT or low back or your piriform or wherever you've got it and just get in the habit of using that to relieve it. Well, you're still setting yourself up for long-term failure because there's something, there's dysfunction going on that's causing that. And this isn't the answer to dysfunction. it's kind of a bandaid for it, for temporary relief. I think it could be a part of the answer,

by itself it's not. Oh agreed, just like chiropractic work. Chiropractic work can be a part of the answer, good chiropractor, adjust you in place, then you go do the exercises and stretches. It's still work involved. Right, to solidify. That's it, just like massage, I mean massage,

these tools, chiropractor, they're all different, but they're similar in the sense that You know, the way I would use a tool like this is I would use it to encourage a greater range of motion But then I have to connect to that new range of motion and I have to change my recruitment patterns and I have to change my movement patterns Otherwise, I'm gonna end up back having to use this device again like do you want to have to foam roll? every single day just to have pain alleviation or would you rather correct the reason why you have that pain to begin with? This was mind blowing for me as a trainer when I when I first understood this it was like oh so I don't need to always have to you know really work out knots in my legs or my hips. If I just learn how to

prime properly, right, if I learn how to move better, move better so that that doesn't become an issue anymore. And that's how you can use these properly. If they're used as band-aids constantly, that's all they're ever going to be is band-aids and they may slow down the process of degeneration in terms of your movement and maybe your joints, but they're not going to stop it. If you just only ever do this, like if you have back pain and you have to use one of these vibrating tools to make your back pain go away and you do this every single day, at some point, they're not even going to work anymore because at some point, the back pain is going to be so bad that there's issues that this vibrating gun or whatever is in an affix.

But if you use this in a way to, you know, like, here's how I used to do it. I would have a client that would come in and, you know, their mobility was bad because they were, they would just hurt. So it was hard for us to even get into certain positions. So then I'd have a massage therapist work on them. Then they'd come in, then they'd come out of the massage room.

Now we're able to do a few exercises, the ones that are going to correct the problem in the first place. So all it did was it set me up in a way to, now I can train them so that we can prevent this from happening in the first place. And over time, it got to the point where they didn't need to have anything take pain away before we got into the work, and then it got to the point when that pain didn't exist anymore. And so that's really the key with all the stuff,

whether it's the power plate or the vibrating guns or chiropractors and that stuff. So there's definitely a value, but the way people are selling them, I think, is wrong. Yeah. I see a lot of people selling them is like, you know, use this every day, never have back pain again, never have hit pain again and whatever.

Well, it's because they have to sell it like to Adam's point. Yeah, and I'm telling you, that's how, because we've been talking to the two of the biggest companies in this for a long time now. I mean, they've sent us all the toys we've got them in here and stuff, but the reason why we didn't pick them up is because we don't, any commercials that we do with Mind Pump, we do organically and we do like at our pace

that we would utilize it and we're not gonna be for actually using it. Well, yeah, and I don't, our pace that we would utilize it and we're not going to be for actually using it. Well, yeah, I don't I think that's how we keep integrity with the things that we market or sell on the show is that it's not something that we're we have to get we have to push this money to make this much money because then I'll send then I can't help it. I'm a salesman by heart so that I'm going to be motivated to talk about my use with the vibrating thing all the time.

And it's like, well, that's not, I don't use it all the time. And I wouldn't encourage somebody to use it all the time. I think it's a great tool and can't be utilized, but I also would want, I mean, hey, I was probably five years straight, the foam roll guy. Every time. Every client's before even got started all my and I don't anymore and that's just because I'm I'm better educated on what exactly it was doing and then better and not and that I wasn't addressing the root I thought I was breaking up adhesions. I thought I was breaking up adhesions and that was something I needed to do and this was Man it now

Understanding exactly what's going on with with phone rolling now and how I can better prevent it through moving better. And this was before I was introduced to Ken Stretch and FRC type stuff. Now I'm like, I haven't touched a phone roll in years now. Those that have been listening to this show for a long time, remember when I gave it up, I went on that, when I went on my mobility kick and I started doing that and started priming before all of my workouts. I was mind blowing for everybody. I completely eliminated it and never looked back and I feel better now and move better now

than I ever have in my entire life and I think to myself, wow, the progression that I made in that one to two year time of dropping the phone roll and actually addressing the dysfunction and then improving my mobility, I made more headway in those two years and I did my previous 12 years as a personal trainer, trying to deal with all this stuff. And I'm older and more broken down now than I was then. Well, that's what we hope for.

To find that type of efficiency, it's like, oh, this is really what we need to be focusing on. Here's an example, just to simplify how I would use a device like this. I use this very specific example. Let's say I had a client who came in with forward shoulder, upper cross syndrome, very common, right? Shoulders come forward, neck tends and head tends to come forward with it. And I'm trying to fix that.

And the way I fix that is by strengthening the muscles that pull the shoulder blades back and down, right? Down, back so that they're not rolled forward and down so that they're not always shrugged because what happens when you're forward, when you have forward shoulder, is they tend to also want to shrug quite a bit or at least the muscles at the top, your upper trapezius muscles and other muscles, are constantly being tight to transstabilize the shoulders. So if I took someone like that who's a beginner and I want to fix that, and let's just say they're tight, they're really tight in their upper traps and the lever taters scapulae muscles the muscles up by the neck What I may do is I may try to do some rows and work on it, but they just can't

Get into that position because they're so damn tight So that what I'll do is I'll get one of these vibrating tools and I'll put it on their trap and I'll work on both sides Just to loosen it up enough so that we can then do the proper exercises to correct the problem. And this may be our pattern for the first couple months of training. Every time they come in, we gotta loosen up those traps. Now let's do the exercises to fix your upper cross

syndrome. But then after a couple months, I'm probably not gonna ever need to use that tool again unless we encounter a similar problem in the future. All right, our next question is from lifted minds. Thoughts on elevated heels during squats, they helped me with knee pain and depth, but am I just making the problem worse? Oh, this is a great follow up to this exact last question that we just addressed.

This is one of those tricks too that when somebody says they really can't get, they don't have any range of motion in their squat. We watched Dr. Brink do this and made examples out of people that could just could not squat down and had all these, well, well, first thing he did is elevate their heels and it was like eye opening to see how much range of motion

that they could get just by doing that one thing. Yeah, I was, God, I've been all over the board on my thoughts on this and now I think I have a more balanced opinion on this. Initially, when I first started working out, I thought was perfectly fine. In fact, Arnold used to do this when he would work out that he put a two by four underneath his heels and he said, Oh, it's good for people with long legs. And, you know, I'm relatively tall, I'm six feet tall, so I thought, okay, this is just how tall people squat.

And then, and then I got to the point where I thought, oh, no, that's wrong, you should never elevate your heels. You should always be barefoot and flat because that's the way you're supposed to squat. And then I realized that elevating the heels changes the emphasis of the exercise. And so if you're a body builder, or you're focused on aesthetics,

and you wanna really hit the quads, and let's say you're doing front squats, I mean, a great way to do it is to stand on one of those half foam rollers, or put a couple plates underneath your heels, and it just gives you more knee extension, and you get more of that quad activation. And so I see elevating the heels,

like I see changing any position of the body during exercises, as a way to emphasize or de-emphasize parts of a lift. Now that being said, if you have to elevate your heels, if you can't squat with flat feet, you should, or without your heels being elevated, I should say, then there's an issue there that you should probably address. And I think that's everybody.

Yeah, and I don't think, I don't think very many people are using squat. I don't know, maybe. I mean, I use them differently. I, now, you were the first person to get me to use them. I never used them. And I was against it. I used to squat shoes.

Yeah, I used to, also, I used to knock a lot of people in the gym that would squat with elevated hills on plates. Like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? And I didn't understand the whole purpose behind it other than freaking Arnold used to put it in his book way back in the days. And like you said, it was, you know,

taller people would, you know, could benefit from squatting this way. And then when you got me to try a pair of squat shoes and, and I squatted it, and I did, I felt more comfortable than I ever felt my life. And so then I went on a kick for a little while of like wearing my squat shoes all the time. And then it was when I met Brink, when he broke me down and just completely like tore me apart

as far as my mechanics on this quad. Ankle mobility specifically. Exactly. And that really opened my eyes up that the reason why I like these squats you so much is because it's crutching an issue that I have going on. And it didn't take me, but I don't know, maybe six months or so, which may sound like forever for somebody, but not if I've had issues with this for years and years and years,

but six months of really addressing my ankle mobility. And then I was able to get to a point where I could squat barefoot, ask to grass fully comfortable, but it was just because I had that limiting mobility in my ankle. Now, I still utilize my squat shoes, but when I do it, it's when I'm working like 90% of my one rep max or my max, and I use it like a more like a safety thing. It's like, I know that I have constantly had to work

on ankle mobility ever since I knew it was a limiting factor for me. And so if I don't address it and I'm not consistent with it. I very easily could start to regress back to where I was before and So as a safety precaution any time that I'm pushing close to my max load on a squat I'll pull my shoes out just because if there is gonna be a breakdown You know and if I am gonna compromise my low back or knees or anything, it's probably more likely gonna happen

when I'm trying to get this weight up because it's the heaviest weight. When I'm doing weight that I can control slowly and it's pretty easy for me to move for five or more reps, I mean, barefoot or normal shoes, I'm squatting it and I've got no problem with that and I worry about it. But if I start, if I stack on a weight that is a little risky for me,

you know, that's when my belt and my squat shoes come out. And they come out as a basically just a purely a safe thing for me that if I'm gonna be, I'm stretching myself right now, I'm going to crutch, crutch a little bit. I know that I can, I can definitely with squat shoes now very comfortably sit all the way in the bottom of squat where barefoot, it takes a little bit of priming work for me

and it can be a little compromising when I'm at the bottom. So that's how I use the squat shoes now. They still come with me in my bag everywhere I go. I use them a handful of times every quarter when I'm stretching myself on a movement like that. But I think they've also become like the weight belt for bodybuilders. They've become this new thing that when I go to the squat rack

now and I look down the row, everybody is wearing squat shoes. And is it like that now? Yeah, oh yeah, I mean my nephew. I was just more platforms now and squat racks. You see a lot of these, you know, heel lifted type shoes. Big time, almost everybody now. It's rare actually when I'm over at the gym

and I look down the six squat racks that I don't see everybody wearing squat shoes. My nephew asked for, for Christmas this year and you know, he's in his early mid 20s. Like, you know, CrossFit popularized as CrossFit. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. And then Nike because actually make cool ones now. And you know what I mean?

Like they figured out that there's a market for it now. Yeah, they've been around forever, but nobody was wearing them before. They weren't as popular. No, Olympic lifters were them. Have worn them since forever. Right. Like they've been wearing them for a long time.. No, Olympic lifters were them, have worn them since forever. Right. Like they've been wearing them for a long time.

I mean, you know, Paul Anderson, who was one of the world's strongest men of all time, you know, in the 19, I think I want to say he was in the 50s, he was a competitor in the Olympics. He would lift in dress shoes, because dress shoes have that natural. That in like construction boots used to be popular.

Yeah. For bodybuilders. Yeah, back in the days, I would see, and I never understood it back then until now. Yeah, I used to be popular. You know, for bodybuilders. Yeah, back in the days, I would see, and I never understood it back then until now. Yeah, I used the same thing. I used to look at the old magazines, like, why are they wearing it? Is it just for the pictures?

Yeah. No, it's because construction boots have that natural, that natural heel. Yeah, I'm much less of a stickler about it now. Now, for the average client, I think you gotta learn, if you can't squat with flat shoes, then you gotta figure out why you can't address it. But when it comes to like bodybuilders and athletes,

especially, here's something that really woke me up, and Justin, you're gonna love this, I'm sure. Well, I was probably gonna talk about it, but go. Where you're really, yeah. Well, why don't you get on it? Because, no, because athletes. No, I wanna hear you. Yeah, I'm sure.

And you're the one that really got me thinking about this, but if you're flat-footed in any sport, you're on an ass. Yeah, well, and you're the one that really got me thinking about this. But if you're flat footed in any sport, you're on the ass. Yeah, you're dead. Yeah, you got to learn how to squat and move on your toes. No, that's exactly what I was going to bring up. Yeah, because, I mean, the way that we used to use them too, especially with front-loaded squats and then elevating your heel on a front-loaded squat, I mean, the forefoot is everything strengthening my feet, and especially my forefoot,

is gonna give me that proper force output. I have a firm ground to be able to work with and generate power from. So, to be able to strengthen that, and strengthen the base of that, was really essential and had massive carryover onto the field. So yeah, if you really think about that, like how often athletes are just standing there flat footed,

it's a very rare occurrence. So why would we spend so much emphasis on loading, a substantial amount of weight where everything was nicely balanced? It's the same argument I have with eliminating unilateral type training for something like as complex as a football, basketball, whatever. It's like you need to be able to stabilize

so many different forces and be able to move efficiently in all directions. Yeah, I guess the way I would look at it for the average person is if you can't squat, there's a lot of reasons why you might not be able to squat. But if one of the reasons why you can't squat is because your feet are flat and you elevate your heels, address that, fix that first,

get to the point where you can comfortably squat with flat shoes, good posture, and you're doing great. Then you can have fun with the heel elevating, types of things. I see Ben Pekolsky and Jordan Shalo doing these front squats where their heels are really elevated and it's a lot of quad emphasis. I mean, that's a quad, fucking killer.

Or are you doing old school, barbell, you ever do a hack squat with a barbell? The old school where it's behind you, and your heels are elevated. It's almost like a between a squat and a sissy squat, right? It's a lot of knee extension, and it really hammers the quads. So there's not a problem per se with elevating the heels,

but like what you're writing here, they help me with knee pain and depth. Yeah, you're putting a bandaid on a cut. Let's look at your ankle mobility, is what that says. That's right, and you know what's gonna end up happening? You're gonna strengthen that mobility issue. You're gonna make it worse by making it more solidified

and stronger. Like, imagine if you get to the point where like, oh, you know what, I can only way I can squat is what these squat shoes are elevated heels and then you get really really strong at it Now that becomes like the way that you squat now to be a lot harder to back out and learn how to do You know brand new squat with your feet flat with different positioning and you're more likely to hurt yourself as a result So I would say get strong learn how to get strong with the least amount of tools possible. And then as you get there,

you can have fun messing around with things. Next question is from Moore Jojo. How do you differentiate discipline from restriction? Do you see it as a fine line when it comes to nutrition or training? Discipline and restriction. Well, I think you say it really well, Saul, where you talk about, you know, you got to get away from saying things like I can't have that cookie.

You know, and I think that's the difference between discipline and like restricting yourself from having something like absolutely you can, but you're disciplining yourself to feed your body in a way that is optimal or ideal for whatever your potential goals are or what you're trying to do. So I think there's a little, I think that's the difference that I see. When I think of, you know, when I'm trying to apply whatever, like a goal that I have right now fitness, since we're talking fitness, obviously fitness related, I'm going to go, okay, you know, these are x, y, z things that I need to do to accomplish that. And I'm going gonna be disciplined about it

It's not like this restriction where I can't have like I can absolutely do whatever the fuck I want It's that I want to be disciplined about it because I want to see I want to get to my goal So I look at it. I think differently and I think a lot of clients When I would first get when I first get them as a client You know, and I had a hard time communicating this for a really long time and I really think that you said it well, so I'll on the show a long time ago. And that's just that, get away from this idea of,

it's a can or can't have type of situation. It's more around the lines of, you are really loving yourself and you're really taking care of yourself by doing these things for your body that are not only heading towards your goal, but actually that is taking care of you better. And I think when you start to look at it in a different light,

I think it makes it easier to be disciplined towards these things versus a restriction thing. Because if you do it like a restriction thing or I can't have thing, that tends to always fail eventually. It'll fail because nobody likes to be restricted. Look, understand this, if you're restricting yourself, by the way, mental state around things is everything.

The difference between discipline and restriction is everything in basically how you view it. So we use the cookie example. If I say to myself, you know, if someone says, here, you have a cookie and you say, oh, I can't have that. I want it, but I can't have it. That is a very different feeling than me saying, I don't want it. Very, very different. And now I know a lot of people are hearing and say, but I do want it.

Actually you don't. You acknowledge that you want the flavor, you like the taste and that you'll enjoy it, but you're also acknowledging that you don't want what comes along with it. So the reality is the underlying answer, the real answer, the total answer is, I don't want it. Right?

Like, let's say in a relationship, you're dating somebody, you're in a very committed relationship, then you meet a coworker, they're attractive, and you're attracted to them. Are you restricting yourself by not sleeping with them because you are attracted to them, or are you saying to yourself, I mean, they're attractive, but I don't wanna do that

because I know what columbic comes along with it. It's no different, it's a different mentality, and that's the mentality that is, the restriction of mentality is a failing mentality every single time. Here's another example, think about when you wake up in the morning and brush your teeth.

Do you think to yourself, oh God, I don't want to brush my teeth. Oh my God, I got forced myself to brush my teeth. Imagine if you did that every day, you would never brush your teeth. You want to brush your teeth. It's punishing yourself. Yes, yeah, that's the whole restrictive mentality.

It's punishing, it's sort of like pain for the sins. And I'm abstaining from this because, you know, I'm so bad and I can't control myself versus like, I'm taking ownership of this and I'm applying, every day is a new day and a new practice and this is a discipline that I'm gonna continue. So it's a longer thought process mentality where restriction to me always just feels temporary.

It feels like, well, I can't have that now, but it's like, I know that I'm gonna do it. I know that I'm gonna get myself some more cookies. Well, I agree with what they say right here. I mean, I do think that there's a very fine line. There's a very fine line between that and I think that line gets blurred a lot for people that they think that the art of discipline

is this ability for them to just refrain from it from a certain amount of time. It's like, no, you need to keep reminding yourself, and I love the analogy that you give with the cheating on somebody's cell because that's a good point. Like it's exactly like that. It's very much so, you and you'll probably struggle

with being faithful in a relationship, if you view it that way all the time of a god, I want her so bad, but I can't have her. I want her so bad. It's never gonna get out of your fucking mind and eventually you probably will break down versus like I can acknowledge, wow, she's gorgeous and I'm attracted to that person,

but I also love my partner, and I also know that what that could potentially do to, so I really don't want to be with that person. I don't want to ruin this thing that I actually value more, and I know I value it more, but I'm currently distracted visually right now. The same thing goes with nutrition when you look at a cookie, because what you look at a cookie,

all the thoughts of man, when it hits your mouth and all those markers go off in your brain and it feels really good and it tastes really good going down. But then you kind of, but then you forget about how you feel afterwards, the guilt, maybe the stomach ache from it, also what it may cause, it kicks up more of an appetite and then you don't just have one, you have two,

or you have three. I mean, if you can just start to look at it like all the other things that come with that and then ask yourself, truly, do I truly want all of that? Do I want all of that? Because it all comes with it. And so I think if you do it, it does because, and the other thing too,

is when you're restricted for something, it actually, there's a strange psychological phenomena that happens with humans where you can't have. If we're told we can restricted for something, it actually, there's a strange psychological phenomena that happens with humans where... If we can't have. If we're told we can't have something, even if it's telling ourselves, it actually increases the, it makes it more alluring. It becomes more, that's why things that are taboo

tend to be alluring. And now, why do we do this, right? We gotta ask ourselves, why do we look at things as restrictions? Because in the short term, it's a very easy, simple, effective way of getting us to do what we wanna do. It really is. In the short term, if I want to lose 10 pounds,

and I'm not even thinking long term, in the short term, a very simple way to do it is to split myself up into two people, the person that is the bad person that wants to eat all the food, and then the dictator that says you can't. And the dictator is the one that's in charge. And so over the next month, the dictator's gonna say, you can't do that,

you can't do that, you can't do that. But long-term, it's terrible. Because at some point, the rebel wins. At some point, the dictator gets overthrown, overthrown, there's a mutiny, and you, and what does it end up looking like? Think about it this way, somebody who's disciplined with nutrition,

when they do eat an Oreo, you know how they do it? They eat one Oreo or two Oreos. Somebody who's restricted, they literally are rebellious. They are literally rebelling. It's a psychological phenomenon. If they're not even eating it for the pleasure of eating it, you talk to anybody who's ever restricted and then binged, you asked them, did you enjoy eating an entire box of cookies? And they'll say no, actually, I didn't enjoy it. I enjoyed the first two. And then after that, I just kept scarfing them now

faster than I could process, and my stomach was hurting, and I still felt terrible and I kept going, because it's like this floodgate of rebellion that's coming through and it's really us fucking ourselves is really what it is. So you have to look at everything. Like you can acknowledge that not going to the gym, laying on the couch watching TV like, oh yeah, that's gonna feel good.

Temperature. It's gonna be so relaxing. I'm gonna enjoy watching that movie. That's gonna be fun. I can acknowledge that. However, what else is that come with?ature. It's gonna be so relaxing. I'm gonna enjoy watching that movie. That's gonna be fun. I can acknowledge that. However, what else is that come with? Like, I'm not gonna be as fit. I'm not gonna have as much energy

and probably not gonna feel as good in the morning. Not as productive. If not as productive. Maybe not gonna look the way I wanna look. Okay, now let's talk about the gym. Like, okay, yeah, it's gonna hurt. Definitely pain, but I'm gonna have more energy. And, you know, sometimes I enjoy that pain

and I like the sweat and sometimes I like the workout. And then afterwards, I'm a feel real good and accomplished. Way at all out and at the end of the day, ask yourself which one you want. That's it. And the reality is, you can acknowledge that you may enjoy the aspects of the thing that you don't want, but the reality is overall, you don't want it. And it's very easy. It's so easy for me to say,

I don't want that pizza. Really hard for me to say, I can't have that pizza. That is a fucking losing battle and I guarantee that you will not succeed if that's the way you view things. And that goes for pretty much anything else. Next question is from Smiller Fit. How would you go about training someone

who makes constant efforts to stall and chat during their sessions? Oh my God, fire your fucking champ part. Did you guys ever have, of course? Did you ever have clients like this? This is why I, and we haven't gone off on this in a while. I remember when we first started, we actually talked about this type of stuff early on

because we all were sharing, you know, how we like to work out and people are asking questions about our own personal training. And I don't like to work out with anybody. I find it, I understand it, and I did for a very long time with my buddies and stuff like that, but it's rare that you're ever gonna find a friend who needs exactly the same thing in the gym as you need.

Even if you guys have similar body types and similar goals, for the most part, a lot of most people should be kind of doing their own thing in the gym. So bringing a partner involved in that, somebody always has to suffer, right? Somebody always gets the shit here into the stick, right? Now, for a long time, I just led instead of whatever.

If you wanna work out with me, that's fine. I'm doing this, and if you wanna come along, that's fine. But this has happened to me many times, where I have a friend that wants to make working out halfway fun and they want to talk in the middle of it and die just just not that for me. For me, it's like church, man. I'm here to absorb everything and I don't want any distractions. I want to be completely into what I'm doing and I don't want any distractions. I want to be completely into what I'm doing, and I want it to be peaceful. And so, oh no, I'll drop you like a bad habit real quick.

No, as far as workout partners are concerned, I'm completely on you. But I think they're asking about a client of a client. How would you go about training someone who makes constant efforts? Because that's two different things, right? Like a workout partner I'm with you, dude. I'll be like all right. Well, this is like yeah, we're not working out I think that's maybe what they're asking you fire them to install technique

Yeah, it's kind of do this shit all the time. Oh, yeah, especially yeah, this is super common Especially if the intensity starts to go up or you know like they're they're trying to get more rest in their periods I think yeah, it's really just about keeping them busy and putting it in front of them and... Yeah, that's what I would say in the middle of the video. I would just say, hand them away, because they're talking. I'm like, we're here to work, man. I shared, didn't I share this on this podcast, the client that I used to have that was really good at doing this. He figured me out.

Because he asked you questions about fitness. Yes, that's right. I have about fitness. Yes, that's right. I have us too. Yes. So that's the system. Okay, that is hacking the system. Because if you're just talking about your day, I'm with Justin, like you, if you're a client

and you're, you know, sharing like personal bullshit or what about that and you're doing it just a stall, like I will, I'll just fucking hand you the weights. But where you used to be able to get me was, if you asked really intelligent questions regarding either nutrition or working out or why are we doing this exercise. That's valuable. Right, because that's how you would get to your life.

That's my job. Yeah, this is my job and I do believe that educating them is actually as or more valuable than the actual workout that they're doing there with me and so that would be a good way for me to. So I guess as a trainer, I think there is that fine line. If you're chatting about, I'm educating you and we're talking and we're not doing a lot of sets, I could argue that that's as valuable

or more valuable than the actual workout with you. I definitely could see that. But if you're just chatting about your day and your personal bullshit and you're talking like that, that's exactly what you do. You just hang on the way. What did you do with your client that hacked it? I just knew to just ask you about that.

I called him out on it eventually. Like I complimented him. I said, boy, you are a smart cookie. This time, he got away with it for probably weeks on weeks with training with me before. I really, and you know what it was? Was I caught him one time, like looking up to the right and you could see him trying to think of a question

that was intelligent to ask me, to set me up, to get me to talk. And when I could see him trying to think of a question that was intelligent to ask me to set me up to get me to talk and when I could see that he was drawing a blank and then I realized oh you're just fishing for fitness questions to ask me so I would sit here so you don't have to go to your next heck let's go let's move you know but I you know there again if it's something that is not related to fitness or personal goals thingssings at that, then I definitely would do what Justin just said, which is I would just hand him the weight or start. I've done that so many times.

I literally halfway through their sentence. Balabah, oh, let me tell you what, here's the weight, one whole business start. Exercise. I do like the head nod thing. You know, newer trainers will have a problem with this than more experienced trainers, because I think newer trainers are afraid to,

like they don't wanna upset their clients. So it's like, I wanna be nice. I don't wanna interrupt them while they're working out or while they're talking, I should say. I would stop people, like, hold that thought, we gotta do another set. I would just interrupt them. Or if a client's trying to talk while they're doing the set,

which is another one, then I'd say, you know, let's talk about this while we're resting. The other thing you can do is if you have someone that's just fucking incessantly a problem with this, where you just, you only got through two exercises in the whole hour because they talked you the whole time. Get a stopwatch that beings every 60 seconds. No joke, like, done with the set, hit your stopwatch they could talk being oh, we got to go and then that will kind of prompt you to be the

Asshole who says we got to do the next set But you know the thing is about being a trainer is You are the leader. Yeah, they're hiring you to be the authority You're the authority if you show Weakness in the sense and I don't mean weakness like you're you're not a, if you show weakness in the sense, and I don't mean weakness like you're not a nice guy or whatever, but if you show like lack of confidence and the client kind of dictates the session quite a bit,

they'll pray off of that. Not only would they pray off of it, but you'll actually not be a successful trainer. People think that that's what they want as clients, but then they'll stop responding. Well, and trainer, exactly, and I think that you have to realize you have only a certain a lot of time with this individual that they've as clients, but then they'll stop responding. Well, and Trader, exactly. And I think that you have to realize you have only a certain a lot of time with this individual that they've paid for. And so I always keep that in the back of my mind is how

effective I can be. But I, again, there's conversations that are valuable. And there's ways of still incorporating the dialogue and having fun and all of that and making the experience enjoyable. But that kind of a client actually appreciates that you keep them going, you keep them moving in the process because that's their go-to with, I'm sure, a lot of different things that they get involved in to where they can kind of talk their way around and people don't really crowd them

when they need to be crowd. Well, I'm with Sal on this, that you're the driver in this, and I think that a lot of trainers use this as an excuse to kind of cruise. I mean, it's, and I, because they like to talk to you. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit,

I remember having clients where I was just like, oh, I can't wait to see Susie, because we don't even do, but two exercises, and she just wants to talk to talk. I was saying, I ain't got to do a lot of thinking, a lot of doing anything. I know what she really hires me for is the vent about her day. And, at first, it seems like an okay idea as a trainer because you're like, fuck it. If she wants to do that, then it's her money and that's how she wants to do it. But then at the end of the day, they do, they hired you because they want to see results. And then at the end of the day too,

you have to keep in mind, and this is what I used to always tell my trainers is that, you know, at all times, you're on stage, at all times, well, as a trainer. And many, many times, did I get clients that approached me and bought training for me, and then they would tell me that they watched every other trainer in the gym for months and they bought training

for me because they saw the way that I interacted and I trained my clients. So there is a very high percentage of people that purchased training this way which makes total sense because I think that's what I would do too. If I'm in a gym that I've been in for months or years, I've been going there and I'm thinking about training with a trainer, before I go walk up and just buy one or say, hey, I want to hire this guy or girl, I'm probably going to scope them out and watch them for a few weeks or maybe even a few months of how they interact with their people. And you know, you never know what hour that could be.

And maybe this massive client who could end up being, you know you never know what hour that could be and maybe this massive client who could end up being you know some huge CEO that's going to probably end up training four days a week with you for the next five years is watching you with that client that you're just standing there talking to for 10 minutes instead of actually exercising and that may be just enough to convince that guy who's really serious about his goal and wants a trainer to hold him accountable and take him for wherever and that you have no idea and you'll never know.

But he just now discounted you as a trainer no matter how good you are and what's going on because that's what he sees and he perceives. You know, it's funny too. There's a bit of a balance to with this. Like I think about all the clients that I trained for, you know, 10, 12, 15 years. And there's definitely a balance in the sense that, you know, if you're training someone two or three days a week for years, you're not gonna have,

every session is not gonna be all business. Just not. These are regular people, they're looking to just feel better. They're not hardcore into fitness like you are, you know, maybe as being a personal trainer. So some of the sessions may be easier, may involve more conversing, may involve, maybe this person really didn't want to work out today,

but they enjoy coming to see you. So there is a little bit of that balance, because I also don't want to give out the impression that your client comes in and just, maybe for them, it is a big step just to be there and they're doing some exercises. It's therapeutic. And it is, there is a therapeutic effect of talking and hanging out, you guys have a

good connection. And to not be that asshole that's like, no, blow the whistle, do another set. Because that also is also too extreme on one end for most clients. For most clients, it's too extreme to do that all the time. So there is a little bit of that balance, and you as the trainer have to be the one to know when we've been slacking a little too much, and okay, like I get it now, you wanna hang out a little bit.

Let's go and do that, why we're hanging out, here's one thing that I used to do with clients that would do that is I would make it productive. So like okay, like I could see that this workout, we're not gonna go as hard. Let's do some stretches. While I'm stretching you,. So like, okay, like I could see that this workout, we're not gonna go as hard. Let's do some stretches. While I'm stretching you, I can answer these questions and we can go over these things.

Let's do this exercise that requires a little bit less focus, type of deal. One of the reasons why I loved training the elderly was because the rest periods were long, and they would ask a lot of questions and we'd have great conversation in between so selfishly I would get all this wisdom from some of these clients and I would ask them questions in between sets and they loved it because You know they're 85 and they like to have somebody to talk to and I think they view made some of them actually

You know I had a few of them that would have my picture on their fridge and their friends would come over and be like is that your grandson? Like no, that's my trainer, you know I help him out with his problems and he trains me and stuff like that. Yeah, that's really cool. So there's a little bit of a delicate balance there, but, and be honest too, you know, I used to tell clients, I'd be very open with them,

like, okay, I think you're just trying to not do the next set, you know? But you are the leader and you have to be the one to lead the direction with the session and people love it. I remember learning this as a trainer early on where clients would respect it. I remember I had a client, God, this was early on my career.

And she goes, I don't wanna work my back. I just wanna do, I just wanna do legs. And I stopped her and said, actually we're not gonna do legs today, we're gonna do back. And she's like, but I don't wanna do that. And I'd say, well, this is what I do. I'm the trainer.

You told me what your goals are. And here's why it's important to work out your back. And my integrity won't allow me to train you improperly. So we were gonna work out your back today. And she was like, okay, like she respected the fact that I was confident enough to talk to her in that way. So, anyway. So check this out.

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