Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 958: The Best Macros for Muscle Building, the Effectiveness of Barbells vs Dumbbells, the Importance of Rep Ranges & MORE

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Starting point is 00:01:02 and $20 off your first order really crazy Then we talked about the FaceTime bug on your phone you might want to Deactivate your FaceTime because people can spy on you anybody can it's crazy Just then told us about the ice tsunami, huh? That's a real thing. It's like a wrestling move Then we talked about the worst natural disasters in our opinion and our own brushes with death. I bring up genetically modified chickens. This is crazy. They are laying eggs that do magic things.

Starting point is 00:01:33 And then again, we brought up Justin's sock-eaten dog. He just won't learn. The alpha of the house. That's it. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what are the differences between barbell and dumbbell exercises? So there are differences. What are they good for?

Starting point is 00:01:50 What are they better for? Which one do we prefer? Next question, what do we recommend as far as macros are concerned for muscle building? So macros represent proteins, fats, and carbohydrates. What's the best to best breakdown for muscle building? The next question, when you can't complete a specific rep range in a program, should you lower the reps or lower the weight and perform the desired rep range?

Starting point is 00:02:17 What's more important, the reps or the weight? And the final question, We make some predictions. We predict the next big fitness trend and or supplement nutrition trend coming up soon. So we do our little Nostradamus thing that we've done the past. Whatever shreds is doing next. We have yet to be wrong. Also, this is the final hours.

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Starting point is 00:03:23 You're not fooling me. That's the, fruity pebbles. That's the fruity pebbles was my cereal of choice when I was bulking so good I can eat the whole box in a sitting no, but I would do yeah, I literally I used to get mad though like there's not a nothing This box It only last me one breakfast Because it's their little you know saying you could fill a hole cereal. It's only like three massive balls You know I was I was a Reese's Puffs and

Starting point is 00:03:47 Sim and toast crunch guy. Sim and toast crunch was diabetes instant. It's so sweet and it turned your milk into like a sugary bomb. It only has like you got 10 minutes to eat it though. Oh, no, I know exactly That's why it's so precious. It's so good. Yeah, as soon as it's the middle, as soon as the mill kits it, it's great. But 10 minutes later, it turns into a soggy mess. I remember the first time I made that mistake

Starting point is 00:04:12 because you think more is better, right? And so I had this huge bowl of it. And you just can't get to all the corners fast enough. And so you end up eating half of it and you're like, oh, soggy, just disgusting. It turns into one congealed mass of cinnamon. Yeah, sure. It's like a gel.

Starting point is 00:04:29 Yeah, I, I loved fruity pebbles. Then of course, Lucky Charms was the other one. That was really good. Love that. And then I thought that, what's that one called? Grape nuts. I thought grape nuts would be delicious when I was a kid. That's the old man in here.

Starting point is 00:04:43 I saw the commercial and I'm like, oh, that looks so good. And I told my mom, I beg der, my mom's like, you're not gonna like this. And you know when you're a kid and your mom's right, but you don't want to tell her? Yes, so you eat it begrudgingly. Yeah, I'm like, no, it's good. She's like, you're not gonna like it. It's not what you think it is. I'm like, so she got it for me.

Starting point is 00:04:59 That's the densest fucking cereal of all time. Yeah, dude, that's what I, I'd say the same thing, but with the shredded wheat, like the real shredded wheat, it's like I was eating hay. Why would anybody eat that? Oh, I had the idea. I loved frosted miniweets. Frosted is different.

Starting point is 00:05:14 Well, frost is different. I'm talking about like the big ol' like bricks. Yeah, who eats a brick of cereal? It's a big block for kids. I was like, we used to get fed that. That's to fill you up. That's back when cereal was, cereal for adults was all about pooping.

Starting point is 00:05:30 Like for kids it was all about sugar. Yeah, you're right. For adults it was all about this cereal. It helped your foot. Yeah, everything's about pooping. You remember that? Yeah, right. But the grape nuts, I remember my mom got it

Starting point is 00:05:39 and I got a bowl and she's like, I don't know if you can be able to eat that. And I'm like, oh, I always eat a full bowl of cereal. This is for kids. You know that I believe this is why a lot of people, when they first go on a diet, like their stool is all fucked up because so many boxed can packaged products

Starting point is 00:05:55 have fiber infused in it. And so most people are eating a pretty fiber-enriched diet. They develop like lazy colon's. Yeah, no, I think they get like more than enough fiber in their diet. They develop like lazy colon. Yeah, no, I think they get like more than enough fiber in their diet, but then they switch over to like chicken breast, rice, and broccoli. And you start eating that. And even something that's fiber is like broccoli just doesn't compete with, you know, four of your boxed meals you were eating that has all this fiber

Starting point is 00:06:19 just. Do you, first of all, that your lazy colon sound. Sorry, I was just picturing it. Do you, first of all, that you're lazy cold and sad? But, yeah. Sorry, I was just picturing it in my head. Do you guys remember that, do you remember total? Total cereal? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you guys remember the commercial for total? Barely. So total was a, it was like frosted, now I wasn't frosted,

Starting point is 00:06:39 it was like cornflakes. But the selling point was that one bowl of total had so many vitamins in it that one bowl equaled like X amount of bowls of the competitor cereal. Oh, I do remember that. So they would say, you know, yeah, because they're competing with whitties and was special K. Yeah. So they'd be like, rice, crispy, is they're delicious, but you have to eat 15 bowls of rice, like to get all the vitamins that are in total.

Starting point is 00:07:06 That's really because total was designed. It was literally a multivitamin cereal. That's a solid point. You know, say so. Meanwhile, you just piss it all out. And it's just shit. Like it's just garbage. But anyway, Saturday and I live did a parody on that back in the,

Starting point is 00:07:22 I want to say 70s or early 80s. I watched it on laser diskisc, don't ask me, don't ask me why. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, I don't know, that's a weird story. My parents, the house that we moved into when I was nine, the old owners left us two things, LaserDisc player and a piano, very strange.

Starting point is 00:07:36 Was this colon blow? Colon blow, right? Yes, that's it, right there. I knew how you called that, just a little dumb. I knew, I remember this. Yeah, colon blow. And so they would eat it and be like, in order to equal the fiber in one bowl of oat bran,

Starting point is 00:07:48 you have to have this, or the fiber in colon blow, you have to eat this many bowls, and it would be like a million bowls. Yeah. See, they call it, oh my god, I don't remember this. Colum blow. Colum blow.

Starting point is 00:07:59 So brilliant. And people would eat it, and then they, like, their ass hurts blow. Yeah. They would be like, that's so great all day that What was this commercial what you was this you think this has got to be 80s. That's what's his name? How do you remember that I have no idea it's it's you are full of Information it's burned in my head Justin and me are very actually I shouldn't say more

Starting point is 00:08:20 It is played. It's been extremely yeah exactly I got to start like rethinking that because like it's obviously played a Crucial role in the development of the show. Yeah, because Sal would say that I would say I can't remember it at all But you ride away. There's a purpose to it all in a serial the serial bowls were just explode and to show you that it's like a thousand Huge pyramid just sitting on the A thousand. A thousand, a thousand. A huge pyramid. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:44 He's sitting on the dial. The cereal market is actually quite funny. It's very, it's hilarious. Where, do you guys know what the history of cereal is? What do you mean? What do you mean? Oh, there's just trying to get rid of a grain. No, which one is it corn flakes?

Starting point is 00:08:57 I want to say it was corn flakes. Do you guys know what the history of corn flakes was? No, tell me. A doctor created a cereal that would prevent people from masturbating. Okay, no, this is not your fault. I didn't know this. Are you guys want to challenge me on this? You are full of shit. Stop masturbating. Yes. A doctor creates a cereal to help to explain. Because the cereal was so bland, I swear on my life. This is what he would say. That things that are overly tasty and stimulate the senses increase

Starting point is 00:09:29 like the fact that you wanna have sex and stuff. So what you need to do is do everything bland and it will prevent people from masturbating because they thought masturbating was bad for you. And so, this... It's like a quaker. Doug, are you looking this up? Would you look at that?

Starting point is 00:09:42 It's so weird how I'm right. Oh my God. He believed, this is Dr. Kellogg. So Kellogg's, he was a doctor. Are you looking at this? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at?

Starting point is 00:09:49 What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at?

Starting point is 00:09:57 What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? What are you looking at? Yeah, the fuck up. They thought they were gonna cure hysteria with women with vibrators.

Starting point is 00:10:05 That's true. I posted about that a couple years ago. I do remember that. Those doctors, a great idea. We're very successful. I'm sorry. If you were just based on the amount of office visits they got, they're gonna walk out feeling great.

Starting point is 00:10:19 Right, and thinking that the husbands were probably encouraging it like, my wife's been awesome. I don't know, every since you've been seeing Dr. Forfingers, I don't know how much I feel. Yeah, she comes back happy as fuck, you know, we don't get anymore Wow, I have never heard this before. How is Kellogg as massive as it is and I've never heard the story where the fuck did you read this story? Um, I don't remember where I heard it But it's obviously you'll never forget it once you read it because so stupid and insane But yeah, it's true,

Starting point is 00:10:46 but that's the history of a lot of, a lot of these real frosted flakes and then you went. And then, and by the way, it doesn't work. Does it stop masturbation? He, I've tested this theory. What I call it, N1, N1, yeah, result. Tested this theory. No, but he, but it's funny because before this, breakfast was cooking.

Starting point is 00:11:08 You had to cook breakfast. And cereal really came onto the scene and it became breakfast. It became this what you have in the morning. And now it's like a thing. It's out prep time, which apparently well, they're prepping breakfast, it was wank time. Mm-hmm. I'm trying to like correlate this.

Starting point is 00:11:24 Yeah, but no, it's funny because corn, obviously was, is an American staple crop. And so, all kinds of shit was made with corn during this, this whole period of time because it was so inexpensive, it was grown everywhere. And, you know, he came up with corn flakes. And it's funny because people will buy it now

Starting point is 00:11:42 and be like, oh, it's so good, but they literally sold it on the fact that it was bland. Yes, so bland that you want him to touch yourself Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's pretty fascinating. Speaking of food. How is your your your your plat your meat bag stuff going? Yeah, you are eating meat out of a bag. No dude. I told you I got a silicone bag for it man. It's UV, right? Yeah, we actually just Katrina just kicked up our meat out of a bag. No dude, I told you I got a silicone bag for it man. Suvi right? Yeah. We actually just, Katrina just kicked up our butcher box. So one of the things I love about butcher boxes, they give you the option of every month,

Starting point is 00:12:16 every other month or like every, every third month that you can actually subscribe to there. They're being delivered to you because originally when we did it, it was like, oh, we're getting so much meat that I was like, oh, I feel like it's just starting to pile up in the freezer cause we're not getting to all of it. And so then I put it, I think I put it to every other,

Starting point is 00:12:32 and then eventually I think I even went to three, and now I'm going back to the other direction because of how convenient this has become. I mean, it's so nice. So you said it's with an app? Yeah. Talking to all through all through the. And it's cheap too, the whole thing costs.

Starting point is 00:12:45 Yeah, it was under 100 bucks. 100 hundred bucks for it. It's super easy. I mean, Katrina literally, she puts the meat in the bag, right? She'll, you know, and she'll text me like, hey, this is what we're having tonight. So you go meat, the meat in the bag, water in the pot, and you have, and it's a sous-vie thing.

Starting point is 00:13:03 Yeah, so it's just a thermometer that heats up the water. The thermometer heats up the water? Yeah, well the sous-vie thing. It's got a thermometer on it. Okay, I got it. You know what I mean, it's all built in, right? It's all built in and it heats it up. So you don't have to turn the stove on or...

Starting point is 00:13:18 But one of the things, no, you don't have to do nothing like that at all. It's all, yeah, exactly. There's no stove, no gas, no nothing. You put it with water and then the actual sous-v-thing is what is what he's done. What I like about it is this is, if there's ever a knock on butcher-box from somebody, somebody who's unfamiliar with eating grass-fed beef, sometimes can be thrown off. If you went and had some crazy juicy steak at your favorite restaurant. And then you hear a mind pump talking about how great butcher box is, you order it and then you bite into it and you're like,

Starting point is 00:13:49 it just doesn't taste as flavorful as fatty and juicy and whatever. Right. So, you know, the knock that people have and that's just because the- Press fed? It's grass fed. So what I always, you I always encourage people to do

Starting point is 00:14:05 is try any grass fed meat anywhere and then try butcher box and I promise you that you will be blown away. And then now with the sous-v, oh man, because I can cook it perfect because that's the one thing too about like grass fed meat that's lean. It's faster, doesn't it?

Starting point is 00:14:19 Well not only does it cook faster, but it's also, if you're always, if you're used to cooking with regular meat all the time, and that there's more, and Doug, because Doug's more of a cook tonight, and he could probably speak to this, there's less room for air, with like leaner cuts. Like if you have a really lean cut, and it's gonna be like on top of every bit of it.

Starting point is 00:14:37 Yeah, you gotta be precise, or else it could get dry, and it says, you don't have a lot of fat to save it, right? And save the flavor. With the sous-v, that's what's been great. So, man, we've kicked up our butcher box because, you know, and I openly admit that I still like to go have a cancer stake somewhere else every once in a while because it is the fattiness of it's amazing.

Starting point is 00:14:59 And so, you know, I would bounce back and forth, but now with that, dude, that's all I've been eating. You know, back in the day, it was back in the day, it was more expensive to eat grain fed. So if you went to the grocery store, they would advertise grain fed because it was flavor. Well, it's just, it's fattier. It's fattier, the fatty acid profile. It's not as healthy for you.

Starting point is 00:15:18 So if you eat, look, if you hunt an animal, if you guys ever eat in wild game, yeah. Okay, it tastes, that's what the term is. It tastes tough. Because these are not fat, cows just sitting there eating food that they didn't evolve eating or whatever. So grass-fed meats can have a little bit of a different flavor, but you're right, it's got the best.

Starting point is 00:15:40 But you know what I've been doing, because I was in a similar boat with that in terms of like having an excess of meat all the time where I kind of went forward and back with in terms of like having three month out, now I'm back to like every other month, we'll get like a shipment. And because I barbecue a lot,

Starting point is 00:15:58 and the weather hasn't always permitted me to like barbecue a lot of it. So we started using the iron skillet. That's how I do it. And then put it in the oven. And there's so many recipes and there's like, you know, ways that will marinate it ahead of time. And then it just, it comes out really, really good. Like, and it's cooked throughout. So it's like a pretty consistent cook. Yeah. So Max, Luke of your asked them about cooking in an iron skillet and he said it's a great idea for people who also want to increase their iron intake. Do you know that you get iron from cooking in an iron skillet? I didn't realize that just from the contact. Yes

Starting point is 00:16:36 So especially for women who are menstruating That might be a good idea from now. Can you over do it? Theoretically, you could. You could just eat too much iron from an iron skillet, but otherwise, it's probably a decent thing. Well, that's, we seared in that. So first you sear it, or is that after you sear it? So after the sous vide is great because you set it at a temperature, whatever you want your meat cooked at, right?

Starting point is 00:17:01 So if however you like it, rare or medium or medium, well, whatever, you figure that out. Once you figure that out in the app, you just like, oh, it's a three inch steak, I want it medium. This is the cut and then you put it in and then you can't overcook it. You can boil for four hours longer than what it needs

Starting point is 00:17:18 and it will never overcook it. It'll cook right to that temperature. So there's no urgency of like, oh, I gotta pull it off the grill. So is it cooking the whole time? Whole time. Whole time. It's constantly cooking and you can say,

Starting point is 00:17:29 and if you want to cook it longer and slower, you can, there's a lot of different options. And then as soon as, so she'll set it on, like right now there's one on the stove, literally today. And she'll probably, what time is it right now? It's one. She'll probably kick it on in about an hour. So it her phone.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Through her phone. She'll kick it on, on her phone, So through her phone through her phone, she'll kick it on on her phone. And then I'll get home around four or five. And then she'll roll in right after me. And then I'll already have the iron skillet ready. I'll throw some butter on it and get it real real hot. And then I'll just I'll seared on each side for about a minute, two minutes, and then pull it right off. And then for her, because she likes her meat more well done than I do,

Starting point is 00:18:05 I just leave hers on the skillet longer than I leave mine. She likes the charcoal ruined. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, when we order in the top, she always blessed her chops about that. When we order, when I explicitly we're going to like a really nice day cow, so it's, and it gets to her turn to order, right?

Starting point is 00:18:18 And that's just ruined her place. That's what she likes. She's ruining it. So, change the subject. Did you guys hear about the FaceTime bug on the iPhone? Did you hear about this? Yeah, you scared me with that and I immediately turned mine off. Did I send it to you guys?

Starting point is 00:18:32 Yeah, I did. Did you see it? I don't. You sent it, but I didn't read it. So, there's a bug that someone discovered on FaceTime and they posted it on their Twitter and it went viral because it's true. It's a real thing.

Starting point is 00:18:43 And Apple is now addressing it. And so later this week, they're saying that they're going to fix it and update everybody's phone. But basically the way it works is if you FaceTime someone before they answer the phone, you add a call, add yourself, they don't pick up the phone or anything. You automatically hear everything that they're saying. Wow, okay, so this is only, I don't even have to read the article. So this is only for the new ones, the tens and above because you, okay, we have this option,

Starting point is 00:19:11 this just happened to my sister and I. So we have this option if you have the ten and above, right? That we can actually FaceTime all four of us. Right, right, right. All on one screen. You can't do that if you have an, if one person has an old phone in it, you can't do it. So I was trying to do it with me, Katrina and my sister.

Starting point is 00:19:28 My sister has an older phone. So what ended up happening was after we did it, we hung up, she was locked into us. She could hear us the whole time. I hung up everything, got the phone off of her then and my sister was like, I can't get out. She was like, I can hear everything and I'm still connected to you.

Starting point is 00:19:45 And we played her, it took us like 10 minutes to get disconnected. Once I had connected to her, it stayed connected and she was hearing our conversation. And the whole thing, you guys want to gain some crazy shit? That we weren't, thank God, because we were trying to figure this all out.

Starting point is 00:19:59 I was trying to find this, because I hadn't done it yet. I hadn't gone on, I knew that the new phone is capable of this, but I haven't done it yet. Where I've had on, I knew that the new phone is capable of this, but I haven't done it yet, where I've had three or more people talking on the FaceTime at one time, and what I had found out was that you can't do it with a phone that's not a 10 or above,

Starting point is 00:20:15 and my sister, I think, has a six or a seven, and so if it Katrina has a 10, so boom, Katrina pops up, I pop up, we're trying to add my sister, my sister can log in, but then she can't see anything. And so we're like, ah, Flock, so we like hang it up. But she's still here, there's everything. She heard everything going on.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Wow. How fucked up is that if you're talking about somebody? I didn't even put that together. You imagine you're like on a four way FaceTime call, and then they hang up, and then you and your buddy like, what a fucking asshole like that, you know? What a dick. You know what happened?

Starting point is 00:20:43 I'm sure that's how I went viral, because someone probably did exactly that, talk shit after, otherwise you'd be like, how, you know? What a dick. You know that's what happened. I'm sure that's how I went viral because someone probably did exactly that. Talk shit after. Otherwise, you'd be like, how'd you know? Same thing that probably happened to me, which is no big deal. It's like, oh, wow, it's weird.

Starting point is 00:20:51 That's a good thing. It just highlights that it is completely possible for people from a remote, in a remote way, to be able to access your microphone and or your camera. That's just a hundred percent highlights that that's totally real thing. There's another way to use that bug to access someone's camera, they said.

Starting point is 00:21:07 So you could do it, access their camera, not here what they're saying, but see everything. Well, I believe it after seeing that happen, it's like, oh, well, I could see how you could easily get into that dude. Hey, what are you doing, Ram? I'm on the bathroom, wait, I'm gonna FaceTime you. No, no, never mind.

Starting point is 00:21:20 Yeah, that's creepy. Dude, I guys tell you, I've been watching this series that's just like all about these crazy wild events like in nature. And like, it was some, I don't know if it was eye fucking love science or it's one of these like documentaries where they just show like the crazy stuff I never even knew were possible. One of them was like this ice tsunami. And I, you think ice, ice you know what do you mean ice

Starting point is 00:21:46 ice? It doesn't move, you know except for like glaciers and whatever, but on the video they start breaking it out. You see like just this this cluster of ice consuming this house and it's like going through the house, it's busting over and then moving like towards like the rest of the neighborhood and just consuming this entire town It's right there. Yeah, so it's almost like a mudslide, but with ice right so it was happening They had like record breaking winds and the right next to this lake and so like all the excess like loose ice that was on the top layer Started getting moved by the wind and then it just started sliding and mounting and just started coming into people's houses and busting through the windows and it

Starting point is 00:22:31 was just crazy. Did you ever see the image? And I believe this happened like I want to say it was like four years ago or so and it was I believe it was off of Lake Michigan. They had a crazy, it was like you know know, 10 below or something, and they had a crazy windy storm. And the waters from the lake came up and went over the cars and froze like that. Froze like in a wave.

Starting point is 00:22:55 Yes. I did see it, because it was crazy. That's terrifying. That's terrifying. You imagine it's horrible being in a hurry, and seeing a mountain of ice move towards you. Yeah, slowly. Yeah, there's a video of it and it's it's such a trip to watch. Like you were watching this on a documentary. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:11 Yeah. Yeah. How do you stop it? You get like, would you throw fire at it? And then you got a water coming at you. You can't stop it, dude. You're fucking the way. It just shows you, you know, that's just like things that happen that you're just like,

Starting point is 00:23:23 oh, my god. What do you guys think would be the scariest like natural disaster situation? Are you afraid of like burning, drowning, being stuck? Like what's, I know mine is 100%. What is yours? tsunami. Really? 100% that is terrible.

Starting point is 00:23:36 I don't know what it is about it. When I was a kid, it terrified me to think about, but just imagine you're on a beach or near the ocean and then just a massive wall of water. Like, what do you do? For me, that'd be the most terrifying thing. I'd rather be caught in a firestorm than something like that. Yes, that's a tough, I remember as a kid, we used to do a lot of hiking and I was up in Mount Lassen and we were walking and I was looking at some of the, what do you call those like where it's geysers and like things like that

Starting point is 00:24:08 where it's like, it's still active and you can see like things happening and I was like, Sam is like, wow, everything is still really hot. Like what's to say? Like it just doesn't blow up all of a sudden and then we're gonna get consumed by this volcano and then it like terrified the shit out of me.

Starting point is 00:24:24 There was somebody that did that. Somebody fell, I don't remember what park it was, what national park, but somebody fell into one of those hot springs, and they couldn't save them, and you can't go in and get them. It's like yellow stone, I think. They liquefied his body. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 00:24:37 Did it really get that so horrible? Yeah, they had to leave them in there, and it just fucking liquefied him. What? Yeah, a fuck. Bro, that's horrific. It's terrible you're laughing too. Someone's like, fuck, that was my uncle. Yeah, that's what you're saying, right? Sorry about that, right? They had to leave them in there and it just fucking liquefied him. What? Yeah. A fuck. That's horrific. It's terrible you're laughing too.

Starting point is 00:24:47 Someone's like, fuck, that was my uncle. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. But Yellowstone is a, it's called a massive super volcano. Yeah, yeah. And it's not, not active, it's still active. It's the largest thing you have. I can kill everybody. They say at some point, it will erupt at some point.

Starting point is 00:25:03 And if it does, it'll take out half of North America. Like that's how big the Mayans thought we were gonna die like four years ago when I did it. That's how big of an, I would be afraid of like an avalanche man, like getting trapped in snow and suffocating. Oh, you know, my brother-in-law, Tom, is like, getting into this backcountry, cross-country snowboard ski thing.

Starting point is 00:25:28 I don't know if you guys have seen these yet. It's a new popular thing where it looks like a snowboard, but it unhooks and then turns into like, snow shoes. And then it connects together and turns in. And so you go backcountry and you kind of hike to like these cool remote places and then you can connect it and then snowboard down And he's getting into it with a bunch of these guys and He goes there and everyone's really hardcore and they go to some pretty

Starting point is 00:25:53 You know roll areas that you know nobody's walked back there And so there's this the big fear of you know you getting caught in an avalanche And it's really common that these guys you know X amount of them every year die from getting trapped in that. And so he's been doing all this training, and he's got this bag. I thought this was crazy. I didn't know this existed. And it's...

Starting point is 00:26:12 This is the one that you pull the string in. It inflates? Yes. Yeah, and you surf the freaking avalanche, whatever. Well, so what it will do is create space. No, what it will do is create space, so you could breathe for a little bit longer. You still, you know, you still only have so long to live

Starting point is 00:26:25 if someone's got to find you. So exactly, it's like all of a sudden, if you, an avalanche is coming on you, you pull this, it shoots up like a parachute or fills up like a balloon above you. And then if the avalanche covers over you, you've got this, you know, five by five diameter, you know, air space that now gives the people

Starting point is 00:26:44 that were with you hopefully enough time to get down. And you probably have like a device like a like that shows them where you're at. GPS trackers. Yeah, I think all of them have that on. I think that's part of it. I read an article once. I don't know how true this is, but apparently one of the worst things about being caught in avalanches when you try to dig yourself out, you don't know what direction you're digging up or down. So you're like you could dig deeper, you could go sideways, you could have tumbled like and so you have no direction yourself out, you don't know what direction you're digging. Right, up or down. So you're like, you could dig deeper, you could go inside ways. You could have tumbled like, and so you have no direction.

Starting point is 00:27:08 Yeah, and so what I read was the guy said, and I don't know how true this is, okay? So I looked this up for yourself, but he said one of the ways you can know what direction you're facing is to spit. And where the spit falls tells you, obviously, if it falls down your face, you know, opposite direction to go in that direction. Oh, that's interesting. That's what I read. You know, I remember, and I think I've down. That's interesting. That's what I read.

Starting point is 00:27:25 You know, I remember, and I think I've talked about it on the show. I don't remember. I know, I think I've told you guys before, maybe I haven't. But one of the scariest moments in my life was getting trapped on a mountain when we were snowboarding. And I'd never even, I've ridden this resort of 100 times plus. And I'd never heard these sirens and alarms go off before. And I was coming up the lift already to get ready to go ride down again. And it was the windiest

Starting point is 00:27:50 day that I'd ever been up there before. And the chair lifts are kind of swinging back and forth. And, you know, I've been up, I've been around, you know, weather like that on that mountain. And so I was, I wasn't really tripping out yet until I get off the lift. And then the sirens start going off and then they're announcing to evacuate the mountain. Everybody go down and then we're getting hit by this blizzard out of nowhere. And it was the fucking scariest feeling I ever had for what to the point. And then you reminded me when you said that sauce because I couldn't tell where I was

Starting point is 00:28:23 at. The wind was blowing so hard, the snow was coming down so fast. It was piling up in front of me so quick. It was moving left to right so fast that I couldn't see the trail. I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. And so you would think, oh, you're at the top of the mountain. So you just slowly come straight down on that trail. Well, I couldn't tell if I was going off trail

Starting point is 00:28:45 or potentially there is a cliff or if I was staying on the trail that takes you down the mountain safely. And so that was fucking stupid. What'd you do just days, though? So, you know, when you snowboard, like you know, skiing, you do like the pizza, like snowboard, you plow down like this on your heels.

Starting point is 00:29:00 And so I'm plowing down. I mean, I'm inching and I'm screaming that my friends names that are with me because I can't see them, even though they I'm inching, and I'm screaming my friends' names that are with me, because I can't see them, even though they're probably just five, 10 feet away from me, and I'm riding with my hands in front of me, in case I hit a tree or come up on a cliff or some of that I need to grab.

Starting point is 00:29:14 And so I'm like, and it took me to go down a little hill, it's not a hill, but the top of the mountain down, I ride that in one song, so normally I put a song on, I listen to it. So it takes me three to four minutes to get down this mountain. I think it took me like an hour, hour and a half. The whole time just going like that. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:32 I would go really, really slow. Yeah, then I would sit down at a fear, like trying to wipe off my... So what do you tell yourself in those moments when you're scared like that? You know, I think when you're in something like that, like I try and go back to like, what was going through my head?

Starting point is 00:29:48 And it's survival mode. Like I'm not thinking about anything else. My life didn't flash before my eyes. I'm not thinking like, oh, all the shit I did wrong. Or some crazy, or I am sure, literally right in the house. I'm sure I'm praying. I'm sure I'm going like, God, please let me just help me get to the bottom of this or what I'd like to do.

Starting point is 00:30:03 Please, please, you know, and you know, I had people that were with me, but it was so scary that they they could be right as close as you are to me and I can't see them. So we're like yelling back and forth. Hey, hey, you know, so we could hear each other. Oh, man, that was a definitely up there with these scariest moments in my life. You know, it was one of my scariest moments. It was actually with you guys, for me. What? Remember when we were on the plane coming from, what was it? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:29 That was fucking gnarly. You can't tell me that was the worst. No, that was probably something. No, that was one of the worst turbulence we ever did. I've never experienced turbulence like that. There were people crying next to me. You almost felt like you were just jump out of your seat, like with some of those dips.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Oh, dude, it was crazy. Yeah. That to me was terrifying. I was literally sitting there, I had the brain FM meditation music on, going out of my headphones. So I agree with you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:53 That probably would be up there for me, except for I was lucky enough to train a flight attendant for a really long time. And we talked about many, many things. And one of the things that she used to always tell me is that turbulence is not scary at all. And that as scary as it feels, it's the least risky and dangerous part of the entire flight, the landing and the takeoff are the most dangerous parts. And that she goes, you know, pilots, the way you feel turbulence, they think of it like going over speed bumps, going five miles an hour. So if you were to

Starting point is 00:31:23 be driving your car through a parking lot and go over speed bump, think of you being all free. So that was going through when we were going through that, like I'm telling myself that even though I'm with you, I feel like, oh, no, I was freaking out. But yeah, but I, I, before that when I was in college and I was driving back on major freeway through Illinois. It was like a five lane freeway and we hit black ice and we were all, I was all the way on one side of the freeway and just started sliding uncontrollably. And like I'm pretty good about like staying calm in terms of like not like over correcting.

Starting point is 00:31:59 I was over correcting. I wasn't like speeding up like slamming on the brakes, anything like that. But I literally had no traction at all I couldn't fucking do anything about it and it was like Terrifying because I kept sliding there was nobody on the road. This was really late at night I was slowly sliding across all five lanes like just inch in my way across and then I see behind me lights You know and it was like truck lights.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Oh, you know, like big rig lights. That sucks. And I was like, oh, fuck. And then I finally hit the embankment and it turned the car kind of around. And so I was facing now the lights and they were getting closer and closer. And it was like in my lane. And so I was like, oh, fuck, I got to do something and turn the car back on because it killed the engine and turned it back on and then punched it.

Starting point is 00:32:49 And then we shot across to the other side and I made it across the other side while it was like, no! Oh, wow. And that was like the scary shit ever. We almost lost Justin. Yeah, we said that this was close. That's scary.

Starting point is 00:33:01 Well, talking about more crazy things, this just got posted in our forum literally right before we started recording. So I'm gonna read to you what I think to be the craziest thing that I've read in a long time. What? But it's a real article. So they have figured out how to genetically modify chickens.

Starting point is 00:33:21 Let me see if I can find the article here. Oh, God. That lay eggs with anti-cancer drugs. What? So, what they say, what? Yes, so they have genetically modified chickens that can lay eggs that contain drugs for arthritis and some cancer.

Starting point is 00:33:38 What? Like why don't we just take the drugs? Well, because it's a hundred times cheaper to produce when they're laid by chickens rather than being manufactured and factories. Like if you can make a bunch, if you can make these chickens produce these proteins, I'm so confused right now. Because what they are, they're these proteins that you find that are used in these types

Starting point is 00:33:58 of immune therapies for cancer and for some forms of arthritis. And what they've done is they've modified these chickens to produce these proteins in their eggs. So now these eggs, they take them out, boom, they extract the protein out of the egg that they need for these drugs, and there we go. You know what I'm saying? Spider goat.

Starting point is 00:34:17 All over again. Holy fuckin'. They're gettin' crazy now. Yeah, but I mean, how crazy is that? That is crazy. How insane is that? That they can produce these. Now, here's the thing. I'm a science fiction. Yeah, but I mean, how crazy is that? That is crazy. How insane is that? That they can produce these. Now, here's the thing.

Starting point is 00:34:27 I just, I'm a science fiction. Yeah, you know, I subscribe to. Yeah, I'm just imagining some, what if they get like they lose one of the eggs and then it like hatches into like some crazy chicken? Yes. It's important we harvest these. Don't let them get fertilized.

Starting point is 00:34:42 Yeah. I might have a few of those. I'm getting angry, big, crazy chickens. Dude, going back on the weather, did you guys see what the weather's gonna be happening? I think it's the Midwest, or is that what's happening Doug in the Midwest right now? You brought it up, what is it?

Starting point is 00:34:55 Like the coldest, coldest weather that's happened in a very long time right now. It's about to hit places for a poll. Really? Yes. I thought global warming's happening. You know, the people who talk about, it places for really. Yes. I thought we I thought global warming is happening You know the people who talk about it's called this climate change Okay, oh you this they changed it. Yeah, we were we're on a roll with the fucking

Starting point is 00:35:14 the third rail No, but it's called climate change at them and This is softball page what they say is that the that there's more extreme weather events But apparently this is like the coldest weather that some of these areas have seen in, I believe a century, if I'm mistaken. That's crazy. Yeah, can you pull a dug, are you able to pull

Starting point is 00:35:33 some of the weather? Is it abnormally, or is it just gonna hit records? Like, for example, like if the coldest it's ever been here, it's gonna be January, January. Minus 30, it's gonna be minus 35, that's it. When I was there, the first year I was there was minus 30 windshield, you know, with the windshield, but the first year I was there was minus 30 wind chill, you know, with the wind chill,

Starting point is 00:35:46 I can only imagine how much colder you can get from that, dude, that's like Antarctica. So it's the story, it's the polar vortex, it's another polar vortex. I want to see what some of these temperatures are reaching because here we are in California and you know, it was fucking freezing the day. I think it hit like 50 degrees.

Starting point is 00:36:03 It makes you feel like a massive. Holy shit! The Dakotas and Northern know, it was fucking freezing the day. I think it hit like 50 degrees. It makes you feel like a massive. Holy shit. The Dakotas in Northern Minnesota, the wind chill temperatures hit minus 50. Oh my God. Oh, dude. You can't even, like you can't even wear anything to deal with that.

Starting point is 00:36:18 Wow, as far south as Illinois, it's minus 30 and minus 40 when you include the wind chill. That's insane. The upper Midwest that says it's going down as low as negative 65. Wow. I'm like, time for a vacation, right? If I haven't lived in there.

Starting point is 00:36:32 I got some shit the other, yesterday, it was yesterday, the day before I posted my favorite winner rotation of shoes. And I got all the Midwest people, DM me like, fuck you. You're all your winner shoes are low tops. Right. I know what it's funny, it's like what made me post that

Starting point is 00:36:52 because last time I posted like my summer ones and I got a bunch of people that liked it and we're talking to me about it. So I posted the winter ones. And what dictates a winter shoe for me is like the gum sole is a darker color and it's darker material. And so if it's rainy and dirty, then my shoes don't get as dirty because they're dark.

Starting point is 00:37:09 Like, that's nothing to do with me having to trump through fucking snow or anything. So you're not gonna factor in that. I did. Right, I didn't think about that when I posted. I'm just like, this is really what I do in the winter time because we don't have, I don't own a pair of fucking snow boots or like,

Starting point is 00:37:22 no, why would you need a party boots for us at all? Justin, when you lived in Chicago, what was the coldest weather that you did? I was massively under-prepared, like massively under-prepared. Like, I told you, it was 30 below, like with the windshield as you walk out. Like you've been in 30 below. Yeah, like briefly, I'm sure it wasn't as bad as like,

Starting point is 00:37:40 it is, you know, on this record breaking, but to me, it was literally shell shock. I thought that I could wear three to four sweatshirts, and that was gonna be okay. You know? And it just blew right through you. It blew through you. And you felt like it was just penetrating through your skin,

Starting point is 00:37:59 and you were just like, you would shake so hard that I couldn't stop shaking inside, even though it was warm. It's uncontrollable. Do people actually go outside when it's like that? Yeah, yeah. You get used to it. I mean, you acclimate to it.

Starting point is 00:38:13 Like, what are you wear? What are you supposed to wear? You wear down jackets and like gloves and like you like are prepared and shit. Like you have like scarves, like they wear all that stuff. What about when you breathe in the air? Don't you feel your insides freezing? Well, yeah, if it's like 30 it's like it's real windy like that. Yeah, they'll do like face. I love cold weather

Starting point is 00:38:30 I love but you say that but you haven't been to that no you're right I think the most I've been in is like minus 13 like I don't think I've been much colder than that and you know But they're different colds too, dude. It's not the same cold. Well, that's a wind chill I think that's probably worse Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I've been at literally minus 13 so I don't even remember what the wind chill factor was on top of that So it was probably pretty fucking cold, but dude And I know somebody who's midwest right now is gonna like scoff at what I'm about to say, but you know San Francisco It's yeah, no San Francisco when it's windy is some of the I lived I grew up I lived I lived for two years in Colorado and it's seen crazy storms and been in minus 13 there and I've been colder

Starting point is 00:39:14 in San Francisco, especially so it's raining. So let's get that wind. So my point. I'm not saying that San Francisco is up there with the coldest places to live in California or in the United States. What I'm, my point is that minus whatever isn't always a great indicator of what fucking bone-chilling cold feels like. Well, it's because the, it's wet, wet air. Yes. It's wet, cold air. Right, and back there, there's a lot of dry air and it just feels, it feels different. I remember going down to the bus stop as a kid at minus three degrees in a t-shirt because

Starting point is 00:39:43 it was, it was nice outside. It wasn't windy as fuck. It wasn't raining or anything like that. It was cold and dry and so it didn't feel the same. I've been in San Francisco before where I am freezing my balls off and it's 30-something degrees or 40 degrees. It's not crazy, you know, but the wind, the wind shell factor coming off the water. I mean, those are some of the coldest times. Yeah, I feel like I was tougher back then. You don't think you can handle it today?

Starting point is 00:40:07 Today. I'm soft. Come back here. It's California. Well, I remember when I lived in Palm Springs for a little while, I lived through the summer there. And it would, it would hit, you know, it would hit 90 degrees at eight o'clock in the morning. And it would hit 120, you know, by 3, 4 pm. And 120 is really, it's really fucking hot. And then I come back up to San Jose and it'd be 89, 90 and everybody would be like, oh my God, it's so hot. And I'd be like, it's not that hot.

Starting point is 00:40:33 I think you just get used to wherever you're at, you know? Yeah, that's how, I mean, I came back to watch like a high school football game. I remember, and I was like out in Chicago for the first couple of years. And it was one of those nights where you get like it's a little windy, it's cold for everybody here and they're all bundled up everything. I was like wearing a t-shirt and just like, there's nothing.

Starting point is 00:40:54 Like eat a bunch of pussies and I realized that's just, I acclimated. Yeah, there's these tribes that live up in the, what is it the Himalayas? Where they live in this frigid temperature. And you always, I always see pictures of them online. I had Doug bring it up once where the guy is hunting with the falcon on the horse. I remember that. But you see pictures of these little kids

Starting point is 00:41:15 and they're all bundled up with their little red cute little cheeks and shit. And this is just what they live in all the time. And you know, your body, I guess it gets used to it. So I've been wanting to ask you, Justin, about your, how your alpha dog is doing. I guess there any stories with that guy? He, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:31 Okay, so I told you about the whole sock sort of fixation. Well, that has, you know, persisted. He literally can't stop himself from eating socks. I don't know what to do. Pick up your fucking socks. No, no, that's not it He will dive his face into the laundry. Oh really and even though we pack it way at the bottom Like he'll go all the way in there just like consume especially courtines and then my sons and for some reason

Starting point is 00:41:59 He just loves their socks So and we figured it out like when both of us aren't in the same room as him. This is like a weird, devious thing he does. Like she went in to take a shower and I was downstairs with with the kids playing and she got out of the shower and and caught him with one of them in his mouth and he was chewing it. And then, you know, where she's like, Oh, no, he's eating the socks again. We're sitting there watching TV, not even like 10 minutes later. He throws up five socks. Five. Yeah. Holy, it throws it up.

Starting point is 00:42:36 And it's like, dude, it's like, I can't even like wrap my brain or how stupid he is. Like it's, it's just, it's just, I can't even eat anymore. You know, like I've never, so Bentley eats Katrina's dirty underwear. stupid he is, it's just, I can't even anymore, you know? So Bentley eats Katrina's dirty underwear. Like that's why I get that. Yeah, that's his thing. He's like an owner. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:55 I think he learned this from me. Let's learn, I think he learned this from me. So I do not have a foot fetish. Yeah, I've had untrained him for that. He won't go into the laundry basket though. I do not have a foot fetish. Yeah, I've had untrained him for that. Yeah. He won't go into the laundry basket though. She, so it's like, we have to be careful if it was like one of those, you know,

Starting point is 00:43:11 wild nights of sex where, you know, or that just terror clothes off and they go all over the floor and the boys are in the room. Like that's the, I've now trained. Are they in the room when you get to have sex? Yeah, of course they're in the room. No, they're not. Of course they are.

Starting point is 00:43:23 This happens, bro. We live all, I mean, we have to have an audience. All of? Yeah, of course they're in the room. No, they're not. Of course they are. This happens, bro. You used to. We live all, I mean we have to have an audience. All of our doors, see we don't have kids or anything. So all of our, my kids are in the room when I'm in. No, no, I said I don't have kids. I don't have anything. So I don't, we don't close our master bedroom door.

Starting point is 00:43:35 So our master bedroom door stay all our doors. What do the dogs do? They watch or they just walk out. No, I mean it's mom and dad, we've been doing that since they were born. So they're used to the sound. They'll sleep through it. You'll hear some, you'll hear Bentley snoring. No, every one should, if it's mom and dad that we've been doing that since they were born so they're used to the sound this they'll sleep through it You know here's we're Bentley snoring

Starting point is 00:43:47 Everyone's right now they get a little like time. Yeah, it will know it depends. How's it? That's an interesting move. It depends if it's you know if it's early sex like you know Katrina and I are feeling frisky Like early on in the evening the boys aren't like wore out and tired like yeah, then they're like putting their feet up on the bed And they're wanting to get involved because I think we're playing, you know But if it's a wrestle time, but if it's like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock sex, I mean, they're already sleeping. And they're like, they're over it. They're not into it. But I do, like, after sex, the first thing I always do is I do.

Starting point is 00:44:17 I take a, I make sure that her panties all, all pick them up and throw them in the, the dirty laundry because if I leave them in real estate. Yes, if I leave him on the floor, Bentley will consume them for sure. That's the way we do it. And then like a weekly, it seems like it's a week. And maybe it's a couple of days. I don't remember the time frame that it takes

Starting point is 00:44:35 for the dog to digest and shit it up. Yeah, I gotta look into like locking the laundry basket somehow. I don't know, I gotta figure this out. We're gonna go to Justin's house and everyone's just gonna be in flip-flops, no socks. Yeah, we're running out. It's like, you already lose pairs of socks to begin with in the laundry He's like and he eats them like I'm fucked

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Starting point is 00:45:23 Quee-qua-me? First question is from Feebs Crake K. Eagerness landed! Quique-quique. First question is from Feebs Cray-K. What are the differences between barbell and dumbbell exercises? I could feel my chest during a dumbbell chest press, but find it hard isolating or focusing on my chest using a barbell. There's a reason for that. Yeah, well, we can talk specifically about that exercise. So when you're doing a barbell, let's say a bench press,

Starting point is 00:45:48 because your hands are fixed on the barbell, you're not able to bring them closer together at the top of the movement. And so the range of motion is a little bit limited by the barbell, because the pecs bring the upper arm across the body. And so if the hands are stuck in a position, they're only going to go so far. So with the chest, you're going to get more of that.

Starting point is 00:46:10 The other thing too is part of the stabilization that's involved in a dumbbell chest press means stabilizing the dumbbells enough so they don't fall off to the sides. So you're getting some of that inward tension of the pecs. So you're going to feel the chest a little bit more. But the question remains, does that mean it's a more effective muscle building exercise? Oh, it can be. Well, it can be for somebody who doesn't know how.

Starting point is 00:46:36 Maybe, I mean, you could look at it like a back-loaded squat or a squat with dumbbells. I guess not with dumbbells, or like maybe like a split squat. In terms of like I could feel more of my glute activity, like saying a Bulgarian squat versus like a back loaded squat, but in terms of like me loading my entire kinetic chain or like making it more of a compound lift, there's a lot more benefits to that in terms of like building strength. You guys are also missing a point that I think is a major reason for this and it's the lack

Starting point is 00:47:10 of scapula control. So this is also similar to like why some people have a really hard time when they do a pull up, like filling it in their back because they can't control and retract their scapula to where they can peel back and then fill it in their laps. The same thing goes for like a, you know, a barbell chest press. Somebody lifts that up and right away when you're in a kind of a locked fixed position

Starting point is 00:47:31 before you drop the barbell down, you kind of, you tense up and you are in a forward position. And a lot of people will start to drop it down and they're already in this kind of protracted or even neutral. Or a forward shoulder type position. And so they drop down the barbell and they're already in this kind of protracted or even neutral. Or shoulder position. Yeah, a forward shoulder type position. And so they drop down the barbell and they end up feeling it all in their shoulders and their arms and they don't feel a lot in their chest. And that's because they have a hard time pulling the scapula back.

Starting point is 00:47:55 And the propensity to not go through like that full range of motion, yeah, with a barbell for sure. And you see that a lot. And with the dumbbells, dumbbells lends itself really well. I actually like to teach, when I would teach a lot of clients, I actually would teach the dumbbell press before I taught a barbell press for this exact reason, because I could take a client, I could put them on like a stability ball too. I used to love to do that because it's kind of rounded and it kind of naturally drops their shoulders down.

Starting point is 00:48:22 And so as they drop the dumbbells down, they have this, when you drop the dumbbells down by your, like, into your almost like your, you know, your armpits, you kind of naturally peel the shoulder blades back. And because it's, it's very comfortable for you to do that with dumbbells. It's tough to do that with a barbell. And so clients have a hard time feel it in their chest. So that's the reason why. And so that's what I mean by that it could be more, it could be more effective for somebody who can't do a barbell press correctly,

Starting point is 00:48:49 but both of them done correctly, the barbell press wins. Joe, Joe DeFranco has a really good cue for this. He says rather than trying to push the bar away from your chest, imagine you're pushing your body away from the bar, and that makes a lot of sense. Like if you have the bar down at your chest, and you're imagining that you're pushing your body away from the bar. And that makes a lot of sense. Like if you have the bar down at your chest

Starting point is 00:49:07 and you're imagining that you're pushing your body away from the bar, you're probably more likely to have that good chest out shoulders back position than if you're trying to get the bar away from your body. But you know, this brings up a great discussion because the lack of stability does contribute to, in my opinion, and I think a lot of people would agree, does contribute a lot to muscle activation. But then you get diminishing returns.

Starting point is 00:49:35 If we take that to its ultimate conclusion, and I have someone with crazy balancing on something while they're pressing a one dumbbell, are they going to build as much muscle strength as if they're on a stable bench with a barbell? No way. They're not going to. It's a question of which one generates more force and how you're challenging that in the entire system in the body. It's more of the movement again versus the muscle where that's a movement that I want to get strong and be able to generate a lot of force

Starting point is 00:50:11 completing versus like stabilizing which will help to help to kind of isolate like a lot of muscles but also the technique of it and you know really supporting the shoulders. There's a lot more benefits to that. Right. You want to there's, there's a learning curve that happens with the body with an exercise where you're learning to do the exercise. Once you get past that learning curve, then it becomes, you're able to generate

Starting point is 00:50:35 a lot of force in that exercise. Now there's benefits to both, right? Learning how to do an exercise, you get a lot of central nervous system adaptation, you get stronger very quickly. Like if I take someone who's never bench press before, they're gonna increase their bench very rapidly Turning at a due an exercise you get a lot of central nervous system adaptation, you get stronger very quickly. Like if I take someone who's never benched press before, they're going to increase their bench very rapidly early on, but it's not really muscle that they're building right out

Starting point is 00:50:53 the gates. A lot of it has to do with the skill and the balance and the stability that they're gaining. Once they gain that, they'll then we can push maximum force and now we're really stimulating muscle growth. And so the problem with dumbbells tends to be, and not that there's a problem with dumbbells per se, but the issue with dumbbells in this particular discussion is when you have of somebody using dumbbells, if they don't have good control of the dumbbells, they're not able to generate as much force. They're not able to push as much weight as if when they use a barbell.

Starting point is 00:51:25 And so that many times translates into less muscle activation, maybe not as much of strength gains, maybe not as much of muscle gains. If I had to compare, and I hate saying this because I would never do this, because the real, the correct answer is to use both. But if I had to compare a dumbbells to barbells and the competition was which one's going to build the most muscle, the most strength and overall power a dumbbells to barbells, and the competition was which one's gonna build the most muscle, the most strength, and overall power, I think a barbell would win. But the reality is you wanna use both.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Because dumbbells, they have another thing too. The range of motion is just greater. If you were to look at the total range of motion that you're able to do with the dumbbell in a press versus a barbell, you can go lower with a dumbbell because the bar doesn't hit your chest. And the range of motion of not just coming up, but then coming together,

Starting point is 00:52:08 which also incorporates the packs. So it's just a longer range of motion when it comes to dumbbells. In my experience, for when it comes to muscle building, I like barbells. Once I get someone to the point where they can use a barbell, I like barbells. And then as they become more advanced, then I really start to throw the dumbbells in and I start to see. Oh, see, that's interesting. See, I like to reverse. I like to start people with dumbbells because of the, and you talk about the major CNS adaptation beginning and then like, and then I'm thinking of also the, just the stabilization and joint integrity

Starting point is 00:52:42 and being able to get them to learn to stabilize something. I'll use a really lightweight and teach them how to bench, to overhead press, to do all these movements. And then I will normally move to a barbell because I think a barbell, there's less room for air. With a barbell, you have to have really good mechanics or there's, or there's a major breakdown somewhere. And then you end up compensating

Starting point is 00:53:05 with your body to leverage it up or over your head or whatever exercise you're doing. And so just like I also start somebody with a body weight squat with dumbbells next to their side. If I've got somebody who's really regressed a brand new client, I don't throw a barbell on their back first. I first see if they can even hold on to a pair of 10, 10s or 20 pound dumbbells and do a body weight basically squat with some weight next to them and perform that with good mechanics. And then teach them to do it.

Starting point is 00:53:33 Well, I think we're talking about two types of beginners. There's the average client beginner, in which case I would agree with you, I'm talking about the guy that comes in wants to build muscle, hasn't really lifted weights, you know, teenage early 20s type of dude, then I'm gonna try, here's the other problem with the barbell, it's 45 pounds,

Starting point is 00:53:49 as a light as you can go. Believe it or not, there's a lot of beginners, like average people can't barbell for us. They can't, they can't, they can't, there's a barrier right there. They can't lift a barbell. In that case, I typically will start with a push up before I move to dumbbells and barbell,

Starting point is 00:54:02 and the push up is elevated, right? I'll have them use a bar on a Smith machine or something, which is really the only useup is elevated, right? I'll have them use a bar on a Smith machine or something, which is really the only use of a Smith machine, and I'll have them do a push-up on that elevated, get them good at push-ups, then I move them to dumbbell and a barbell. But if I'm trying to build muscle on some 20 year old kid, I like to get them good at the barbell shit

Starting point is 00:54:17 before I start throwing the dumbbells out. It's an interesting argument because do you want them to have more control initially? So like a barbell provides that bilateral control where you can evenly disperse a lot of the pressure and force that you're output or do you want to just isolate and work on the stability of it to then bolster them to get into the barbell.

Starting point is 00:54:39 That's my theory. Yeah, that's, there's an argument for both for sure. Yeah, yeah, I don't think, I think if think, I think if somebody is not feeling it very much in their chest, this is a perfect example of why I like to use the dumbbells. First, you feel it great in the dumbbells, but you don't feel it very good in the barbell. That to me, right away, is I already know what you're doing. I don't even have to see you. I know if you're doing, if you're doing, if you're doing, if you're doing, if you're

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Starting point is 00:55:25 Do you think that the traditional way of doing a chest workout, where if you're looking at like a basic muscle building chest workout, typically they start with barbell and then they move to dumbbell and then they move to isolation, right? But they'll start with, it's usually barbell press to a dumbbell press to a fly.

Starting point is 00:55:45 Do you think that that's like traditional advice because there's some wisdom behind it? Or do you think that that's just, that's how they did it? And that's how we always do it. And it really doesn't. I think it could be traded, but more often than not,

Starting point is 00:55:57 it's barbell starting first. Correct, which I think for your point that you made that I agree with is that it's a superior movement for building muscle, for sure, which I don't think any of us disagree on that. If we all agree that a barbell chest press is superior to a dumbbell chest press for building chest, right?

Starting point is 00:56:15 So that we all agree on. So it makes sense to start a program when writing a program with a barbell press first, because you're taking into consideration that this person can perform the movement correctly. But in reality, many, many people that I have trained, don't, I mean, and I, from firsthand, I was terrible at benching.

Starting point is 00:56:37 I used to, I've told the story before in this podcast, one friend with spot the bar, the other friend is pinning my shoulder back, and I don't understand anything about biomechanics at this point in my life, right? This is early on. So I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I don't have anybody who's coaching me correctly, but I definitely can't feel, you know,

Starting point is 00:56:52 the barbell press in my chest whatsoever because I'm not firing it. I felt it all in your triceps. Totally triceps and shoulders. I wasn't feeling it in my chest at all. And so it's very common that I get somebody that I do like to teach the dumbest. But, you know, the last thing you want to do is because you don't feel it in the chest, you just ignore it and you're all, I'm going to stick with dumbbell chest press because I can't feel it that well in my barbell press. No, that's a great, it's telling you something,

Starting point is 00:57:20 it's telling you that there's a breakdown somewhere mechanically that because it's a chest exercise, there's no way around it, you know what I'm saying for sure, but like every other extra, any exercise, the secondary muscles can take over the movement if you don't have proper mechanics. And so this person could be dealing with that more likely than not again, I think they're probably chest pressing with a flatter back or their shoulders in a neutral to a projected forward position when they're pressing. Next question is from Via Nataniel. What are the recommended macros for muscle building? So macros being your proteins, fats and carbs, you know, aside from eating a macro profile

Starting point is 00:58:04 that's going to make you feel the best for your health, because that's important, right? So, if you eat in a way that's not making you healthy, I don't care what macro breakdown you're eating. If you're very, very sensitive to carbohydrates, for example, and they give you gastro distress or you get gut issues as a result, then a diet with carbohydrates, even though what I'm about to say, you know, we'll tell you that carbs will help you build muscle. For that person, it's not going to work.

Starting point is 00:58:32 You would go low carbohydrate, okay? So aside from all that, you're healthy and you can eat whatever macro breakdown you want, it's pretty well established that, well, with protein, you're going to want a decent amount of protein. And when we say high protein, we're talking about roughly about a little less than one gram of protein per pound of body weight in lean individuals. It's important to say that because if you're an obese person, you weigh 350 pounds, don't go eat in 350 grams of protein.

Starting point is 00:59:01 If you're a relatively lean person, you're not super overweight, take your body weight and right around, that's about as many grams as you want to aim for in protein per day. of the protein. If you're a relatively lean person, you're not super overweight, take your body weight, and right around, that's about as many grams as you want to aim for in protein per day. We know that that is the upper limit for the muscle building effects we'll get from protein. Any more than that, and you're not going to get any more benefit. Less than that, you might not get as much of a muscle building benefit. Aside from that, you want to have carbohydrates in your diet. They do help build muscle, partially because they help fuel performance. You will notice, again, if you're healthy either way,

Starting point is 00:59:33 you will notice that going low carb, you will not be as strong. Even if your calories are high, you're just not going to be able to lift as much weight. The other thing is the pumps that you get in the gym aren't as pronounced as they are when you have some carbohydrates. And there is some evidence that shows that the pump is an important part of the muscle building signaling by itself, aside from the fact that the environment that you create that gives you better pump

Starting point is 00:59:58 contributes to the fact that it may build muscle, the pump itself also helps you build muscle. And you look awesome. And you look awesome. And you look awesome. So it's kind of a balanced macro breakdown, if you ask me, not too low in anything in high-end protein. Right. I like it personally.

Starting point is 01:00:16 And I think there's a lot of room to go up and down a little bit with your fats and your carbs, like to the points that you're making cell, I think I start with my protein and say, okay, I need to have about one to one to keep it easy. You're right, you don't need quite that, but it's pretty easy to cut. Yeah, it's easy for me just to say,

Starting point is 01:00:37 okay, I weigh 200 pounds, I need 200 grams of protein, right? So that's a very simple breakdown. And then I like to evenly split it between my fat and my And then then I like to, I like to evenly split it between my fat and my carbs, and I like to kind of rotate back and forth. And you can go up or down five to 15% either direction. Now you're splitting the calories. Yeah. It's important to say that because people will be like, Oh, cool. Even split 100 grams of protein. I'm sorry. 100 grams of carbs. 100 grams of fat. Yeah. Very good. That's enough. Yeah. I know that's a good point. Yeah. So I take the remainder of my calories that I need

Starting point is 01:01:07 and it's a pretty even split between carbs and fat. And I think that you can have a little more fat or a little less and a little more carbs or a little less based off of what you find works well with you. I don't highly recommend a keto genic type of diet for somebody like this. I don't think that that's a good idea, or even a low carb diet.

Starting point is 01:01:29 I think it's ideal that you're getting adequate carbohydrates, which could mean for you somewhere between 20 and 60%. It could be anywhere in that range, really. I mean, wouldn't you base most of your performance in your gym too, you'd have to base your carbohydrate balance. If I assess today about how much energy I had to get through these grueling workouts, I was doing or whatever that sort of intensity is based off of what you have scheduled out,

Starting point is 01:01:57 trying to match what's the best blend for you in terms of energy. Yeah, so I would know if I'm heading into, so if I'm running like a routine like split, where I'm splitting my body parts up and I know I'm getting ready to go into a big leg day tomorrow, I mean, I'm definitely getting good amount of carbs the day before and the day of going into that because I know I want that fuel source because I'm gonna push a big muscle group

Starting point is 01:02:22 like my legs or my back. But then let's say it's arms and and I'm doing bies and tries. Like I could totally get away with pulling back on the carbohydrates and maybe increase fat, or let's say at the day off, I'm not actually training at all. So I don't need that quick fuel. I don't need that quick fuel to fuel me through

Starting point is 01:02:37 the power to this workout. So that day I might run a much higher percentage of fat, be satiated so I'm not chomping and grazing on all kinds of foods. So I'm satiated throughout the day and I feel good and I don't need this readily fuel all the time because I'm not pushing through a work. I like that, I like taking carbs and matching it

Starting point is 01:02:55 more towards my energy because for, well, a couple of different reasons. One is there's some evidence that shows that you become more sensitive to carbs when you do it that way. Now, why do you want to be sensitive to carbohydrates? Well, you want to use them, first off, you don't want to be insensitive to carbs. You don't want to have insulin levels that have to rise more to be able to utilize the carbohydrates

Starting point is 01:03:15 because over a period of time that can cause poor health, you want to be able to use the carbohydrates, utilize them efficiently and effectively. I would like to get a good feeling off of 200 grams of carbohydrates. I don't want to have to eat 400 or 500 grams of carbs to get that feeling. And so going low carb when you're inactive, typically for me, it feels like I get more out of the carbs

Starting point is 01:03:39 when I eat them, when I need them. You're introducing them, yeah. Yeah, so it's like days that were inactive, just like you were saying Adam, I'm gonna eat less carbohydrates. Days that I'm active. You're introducing, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, like days that were inactive, just like you were saying, Adam, I'm gonna eat less carbohydrates. Days that I'm active, before my activity, I'll have more carbohydrates and that day, I'll have more carbs and it just gives me

Starting point is 01:03:52 a much better performance. Love to carb cycle. Of all the diet, and I've done most everything. I've ran almost every kind of a diet for the most part from back loading, the front loading carbohydrates, the carb cycling, to an even split, to a ketogenic diet, to vegan type shit. Like, I mean, you name it, I've ran the diet,

Starting point is 01:04:09 and I have, for training purposes and building muscle, the best I have ever felt is doing a carb cycle. Now, when I say that, the problem is I get a lot of people that then message me and they're like, oh, well, what ratio do you use? And I'm like, well, the difference between me and I think probably with a lot of the articles that you'll, if you just also

Starting point is 01:04:27 and start Google searching, carbs cycling, so I'll give you a bunch of generic numbers of, you know, cycle, you know, 50 grams, 150, 250, or give you percentages to cycle. And I really don't do it that way. I base it off of what we're talking about right now. If I, I know I'm, like, let's say I have two days in a row

Starting point is 01:04:44 or I'm, I'm gonna be off of training just cause I'm traveling or maybe I train really hard that week and I know I'm needed two days in a row off. And then my first day back, let's say, his arms, like, man, I might run two or three really low days of carbohydrates in a row and then give it a surge when I go into the fourth day,

Starting point is 01:05:02 which is gonna be legs or back or chest or a big muscle that I care to have a lot of fuel. And so, I really kind of play with that based off of my body, but I do like the idea of carb cycling and what I have felt personally. It feels the best. It does. It feels the best.

Starting point is 01:05:20 And the way I like to tell people to do it, because people will be like, okay, when do I have more carbs? How do I time it? The way I like to time it to do it because people will be like, okay, when do I have more carbs? So, you know, how do I time it? The way I like to time it is about one or two meals before my activity, okay? So what does that mean? Well, if you're going to work out in the morning, then that means lunch and dinner, the day before is what it starts. That's at least where my own works.

Starting point is 01:05:38 Yep. So if I know I'm working out tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. real hard, then I'll have, make sure that the lunch and dinner before, which is the day before, will be higher carb. And then I'll have another high carb meal after the workout. And then if I know I'm not gonna work out that hard, the following day or whatever, then I'm low carb from then on out.

Starting point is 01:05:57 And I just, I feel, I feel really good with that. That's great advice because this is exactly how I used to eat when I was, you know, getting ready for shows and why I like to train like at two o'clock in the afternoon because it would allow me to get two big meals in well before, two hours plus before I'm going in for my lift and I just, I felt the best. I could control that and I played with many different, I've gone from as minimal as getting

Starting point is 01:06:21 about a hundred grams of carbs to as crazy as getting four to six grams of carbs before that workout and and paid attention to do I feel the thargic when I go too much is where's the sweet spot for my body and there's that's the hard thing about giving people answers to a question like this because I know people are seeking for tell me a grams of carbs I need to have or tell me a percentage it's like you know there's going to be a wide range or a major variance between each individual on how many grams of carbs you feel the best on for your workout. And I would recommend just playing with that. Try cycling through and then have a meal or two before, two hours or more before the main lift that you're going into. And try loading with 100 grams, try loading with 200 grams, try loading with 75 and play with that, and really start to evaluate your workout.

Starting point is 01:07:11 I did a good idea. I, when I talk to people who are trying to put on masks, especially skinny hardgainers, the classic hardgainers, kind of like how I felt I was, and I know Adam's talked about himself being one as well, growing up for carbs. You know, we say one gram of protein per pound of body weight for carbs, it's two and a half to three grams per pound of body weight is where you'll see people will start to aim.

Starting point is 01:07:34 So if you're a hundred and thirty pound kid and you're trying to pack on muscle and you're a hard Gainer, you're probably around three hundred, three hundred and fifty grams of carbs is what you're going to be looking at. Next question is from Weldertron. When incapable of completing a specified rep range in a program, is it better to cut the reps, cut the weight, or perform a cluster set? Okay, so this is a good question because I've actually gotten this. I was like a transformer.

Starting point is 01:07:59 I was going to say that, and you were going to say that. So this is a good question because all people the people ask me about the mass programs, and they'll say, well, I can't do this rep range with this weight. Do I just go lower in reps or do I go lower in weight? So here's the thing, the amount of weight that you're lifting is arbitrary. I mean, not entirely, but it kinda is.

Starting point is 01:08:22 The weight that you pick is to help you hit the desired rep range with the high intensity, okay, with a high amount of intensity. So if your programming is calling for 10 repetitions, then you pick a weight, I don't care what that weight is. You pick a weight that allows you to perform 10 reps with the high intensity. The only time weight isn't arbitrary

Starting point is 01:08:45 is when you're one of these competitive lifters and you have to lift a percentage of whatever weight and you'll, but even then they look at rep ranges as well. Like if you're trying to follow our program and you're in a phase two, for example, of maps and a ball like in your aiming for 12 reps and you went for it and you did six reps. That's too heavy.

Starting point is 01:09:03 Yeah, that's it, that's all. Like, like, don't change the and you did six reps. That's too heavy. Yeah, that's it, that's all. Like, it's too heavy. Don't change the weight and not the reps. Because the programming is calling for a specific amount of reps. That's where you're getting the programming. I did a YouTube video on this a few months ago. So maybe Jackie can attach it to this

Starting point is 01:09:19 because I think it's a question that we do get a lot. And I forget that for somebody who may not know this, it's a tough thing. Like, how do I know how to choose my weight then for a rep range? And what does it mean to be, you know, what do you guys mean by eight to 10 rep range? Then I thought, I got a lot of good feedback from that video that I think I explained to people,

Starting point is 01:09:39 you know, how you choose that way. I mean, the reason why there's a rep range is because it's really tough to just, I can't walk, I can get close because I've been doing this for so long, but I mean, if I were to go out right now and say, how am I gonna dumbbell press, eight to 10 reps? Like, you know, I have a kind of an idea about how much weight that's gonna be,

Starting point is 01:09:57 but I don't know for sure how based off how I feel and how sore I am from everything else. So, you know, I'll grab a weight that I think is gonna fit that. And then that really tells me where I need to be after that first set. I do that first set and I go, have your lighter.

Starting point is 01:10:11 Yeah, right. If I do, and then if it tells me 10 to 12, and I grab a weight and I easily do 12, I know I'm gonna increase on the next set. If I barely get to 10, then I know I might even have to go lighter on the next one because I probably I'm going to be a little bit more. Isn't that interesting?

Starting point is 01:10:27 After all the experience we have with that, it still changes. I'll go in and approach an overhead press for example. If I did a lot of the prep and prime work ahead of time, totally different result. I could lift and perform sometimes, you know, more as a result of that, but there's some days where, you know, just the accumulation of stress, life stress, work stress, all this other stuff really factors into that same exact lift to where, and I have to just the load that day specifically

Starting point is 01:10:59 because of how my body feels. Here's what's important about how much weight you're lifting because it's one of the metrics you can use to measure your progress. That's it. Other than that, you really shouldn't give a shit. What, how many, I used to get cut up on this all time. Don't get fixated.

Starting point is 01:11:13 I used to get cut up all the time. I'm gonna go in and I had this number on my head. I'm gonna lift this much weight in my shoulder press. And I pick it up and I could only do four reps. Fuck it, that's the weight that I'm gonna lift. So now I'm just doing four reps, that's wrong. You wanna go in there, you wanna aim for a rep range, you wanna aim for a type of intensity

Starting point is 01:11:32 and you wanna aim for a certain type of form. You wanna go in and practice these exercises with a certain type of intensity. Whatever weight fits within that paradigm is the weight that you're gonna use. Don't get stuck on the weights because this gets people in trouble all the time. I'll see guys lifting weights and their form looks good when they're squatting with the 35s on each side.

Starting point is 01:11:54 But nope, they gotta have a big wheel on each side. So let me put a 45. Now the form is not good. Is that doing them any good that they just went heavier because it looks better? Of course not. So the weight is pretty much arbitrary. I almost wish that there was some kind of technological advancement where all weights look the same and it would just dial in the perfect amount of weight for you, then we would get stuck so much on with the weight to the light and you go on

Starting point is 01:12:17 on the shit. Just follow the programming. It's the reps that matter. You'll notice in our programming, we never tell you weight to lift. of all be impossible because everybody's so different by a bunch of crossed-foot weights Yeah, but I don't care how much weight you're lifting what I care about is here's your rep range here's how much rest you're doing between sets Here's your tempo and then of course here's your form and it's it's expected that you're going to have to probably lighten the load up quite a bit I mean, that's, it's a very humbling part of the program. Those that follow the program to a tee every time you move to a new phase, it's humbling. Yeah. You know, when you go, when you go from one to two, it's like, oh man, how do

Starting point is 01:12:57 hell humbling is it to do 20 rep squats? Yeah. Right. It's super humbling all of a sudden, you're sudden you're, it's 50% or less. The way that's a big difference. You know, so also you go for feeling like a tough guy who's squatting for plates and Now you're one plate just to get 20 reps out like, but you're better off doing that then going like, oh, I can't stand to only have one plate on there So I'm gonna put two plates on there Then I'm only gonna do 10 like no if it's calling for 20 reps

Starting point is 01:13:23 You're gonna get more bang for your buck to do 20 reps at a much lighter weight than gonna do 10. Like no, if it's calling for 20 reps, you're gonna get more bang for your buck to do 20 reps at a much lighter weight than to do 10, just to save your ego. Next up is CMOS 23. What's the fitness trend and or supplement that will be the new thing 10 years from now and what will be a thing of the past? 10 years?

Starting point is 01:13:41 Well, I'm gonna just say in the picture because 10 years is too hard. Yeah, 10 years is the Nostradamus prediction. Yeah, first Well, I'm going to say in the future, because ten years is too hard. Yeah, ten years goes the... Nostradamus prediction. Yeah. First off, I wish I knew what the supplement would be, the next big supplement would be, because then I'd be the guy making it. We'd be rich.

Starting point is 01:13:54 But as far as fitness trends are concerned, I'll tell you what, I think. I think the next big mainstream, and it may not feel this way to us in the space, because to us, it always feels this way. But I think the next mainstream thing that's gonna go big is heavyweight training. I really do. I think the time is right for people to really get into lifting weights and lifting heavy weights. I'm seeing more and more women on Instagram do bulking, you know, oh I'm on a bulk. I'm lifting heavy. I'm building muscle. I'm like lifting heavy, I'm building muscle. I'm like, God, you never saw that.

Starting point is 01:14:26 You never saw women talk about that shit. And these are like, these are bikini models that are talking about, these are girls that are in college that are talking about it, who normally would be like, oh, I'm just doing tons of cardio. I think that's the next big thing. I really think you're gonna see a lot more people talk about

Starting point is 01:14:41 and want to get stronger with weights. I can get on board with that. And not only because I know it would be cool. Right away when I couldn't think of a new thing, but I could tell you what I think is going to be a thing of the past in 10 years. I think these F45 orange, and I'm going to know I'm going to ruffle a bunch of fucking feathers again on this. But because I've been saying that group classes should die, but whatever.

Starting point is 01:15:05 I do believe that. I think more and more people that start to look into the group model of lifting weights. First of all, I believe that well over 50%, if not 80%, I would say, that are taking these classes that are group lifting weight classes. None of them are actually even doing proper lifting weights. And so if your theory is right, Sal,

Starting point is 01:15:29 that we're gonna go to this lifting heavy, strong, and strength building type of routines is gonna be a thing in the future, then the natural thing to die would be these classes that encourage a cardio version of weights. Because when you go by an F-45 class and orange theory class or any of these, and I know I'm picking on those two as the first two that popped in my head,

Starting point is 01:15:50 but there's a fucking bajillion of them now. And it reminds me back when we ran gyms and we had the body pump classes. That's what it was called back then. And it was a regular old group X instructor that taught it and she used to get the plastic weights out and they are doing you know, jazza-sized type exercise with...

Starting point is 01:16:08 Terrible four. Yeah, well it's like one step better than that, is really what we've done. They've got a little bit heavier weights but it's still the same concept of this circuit mentality. It's not much different than curves was and so and I, but I think that people are starting to figure out how important like, you know, weight training is. And I think the, the small box companies were smart and they saw that. And they said, okay, here's a way to make people feel good and encourage them to do it and feel secure about it. I put them in a group where there's a lot of people that are learning how to do it together. And so that's kind of where we're at right now.

Starting point is 01:16:46 And if your theory's right, Sal, then I believe that this is going to die in 10 years, because those same people that were kind of insecure and scared to go try lifting it at a gym or a major box or kind of intimidated to do that are going to be less intimidated to do it because we're going to find out that it's far better for them to create an individual program for themselves and do a more strength-based program and get some rest in between sets. My thoughts, and I, of course, this is completely my own hope in my own bias

Starting point is 01:17:16 of where I see the most substantial efforts changing the culture and changing everything and leading into that direction of weight training, which I brought up a while ago, was to get back into the actual physical education of like let's structure these recesses, let's structure more active play that is challenging in terms of climbing, in terms of obstacles. these things that are literally built in schools to where, you know, we can get kids, we don't have to necessarily like force kids off their phone, force them off the electronics, like we just provide this experience for them so that they

Starting point is 01:18:00 actually challenge and engage their muscles and they learn about their body. And we build that as a foundation early. So that way they move in and they actually have some sort of like an established foundation they're to work with. I agree, I think you'll see more of that Justin, just because I think the need is higher. You know what I mean? There's more than the average.

Starting point is 01:18:25 Everybody cares about kids more. I hate to say it more than adults. Like the emphasis, like we're gonna see studies come out that like our kids are fucked up because of the way that we've been handling the education. Yeah, and kids are weaker than they've ever been. They done tests on this. Who shared the article?

Starting point is 01:18:44 Is it Jackie? Who shared the article? Was it Jackie? Who shared the article or someone, oh no, it was Lewis Howell's posted. And I believe I tagged one of you too on it. He just posted this, look at Lee Lewis Howell's Instagram. I thought this was pretty cool. And I believe it was a principal in China. Learned how to...

Starting point is 01:18:59 I was doing this like dance with the kids. Yeah, learn like a, you know, like one of the popular dance. Yeah, it's a popular dance right now. And he does it with the kids. Yeah, learn like a, you know, like a, one of the popular, yeah, it's a popular dance right now. And he does it with the entire school. And I think that was, that's really cool. What a cool thing to do with all the kids to encourage them to move.

Starting point is 01:19:14 I think you'll see more of that. So here's another reason why I think weight training is gonna be the next mainstream fitness thing. This has been known for a long time. Women make up a majority of the consumers. They actually drive the market far more than men do. In fact, they buy more of the male products than men do. Part of the reasons they buy, they go with the ones that do the shopping and pick things out for the husbands. But all of the things, women

Starting point is 01:19:41 make up a large percentage. And guys have been lifting weights for a long time what you're seeing now more than ever is Women are lifting weights and in ways that you're supposed to lift weights Yeah, I know and so I think we're about to see a huge wave of women who are like oh, I lift weights This is important. It's not like cardio. It's actually lifting I'm getting stronger I can I that's why I can get on board with that That's why I think the group thing is important. It's not like cardio, it's actually lifting, getting stronger. I can get on board with that. That's why I think the group thing is going to change, man. It really is because that's, it's a good step in the right direction. I really, I know. And who are the largest, who are the, who are the, the largest attendees of group classes? Right. Women. Yep. And I think they're going to start moving in the direction. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:20 And then what's, okay. So what's the nutrition trend you predict? Oh, I for I think ancestral type stuff is going to keep growing. I think with diet or with supplements, I should say and diet, it's going to go more and more natural well sourced. I mean, people are wealthier now, people have the money and the time to spend on getting better products. I think I think we're we're going to try and really tie in with that genome, with the 23 and me, with all this stuff, like really to, like they're gonna try to present you with products that are gonna best suit you

Starting point is 01:20:54 and be catered to you in terms of what, you know, based off your genetics, what's gonna be best for you. Oh, that's a good prediction. That's interesting. That's a very good prediction. I totally agree with that. And it's gonna be a bunch of bullshit as well. Exactly. It's still gonna be best for you. Oh, that's a good prediction. That's interesting. That's a very good prediction. I totally agree with that. And it's going to be a bunch of bullshit, is what it is. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:21:08 It's still going to be shenanigans. And then what Sal said, I think that's already happened. Like I think, I mean, look at Paleo is the big thing right now. Like everyone's already talking about that whole 30s, probably one of the most sold and followed diets out there right now. So we're already moving in that direction of away from process for this. Well, it wasn't that long ago, you go to a major grocery store

Starting point is 01:21:30 and they didn't even have an organic food. Yeah, now all grocery stores, I think the largest, you know, the largest seller of organic foods is Walmart. Walmart, yeah, I mean, Walmart sells more organic food than anybody, believe it or not, because they're so large. So I think it's gonna keep moving in that direction

Starting point is 01:21:46 where you're gonna see more people wanting well-sourced foods. Companies like Butcherbox who, you know, we talked about them earlier in this episode. The companies like that, you're gonna see more and more of those where people are not just trying to buy meat from some random place.

Starting point is 01:22:01 They don't know where it came from and what the food, you know, itself ate. No more random meat. That people are gonna wanna know, what did this, what did this food eat itself? Where is it from? You know, what's the quality? I think that, I think the,

Starting point is 01:22:14 I agree. I think you're gonna see more transparency. I wouldn't be surprised if we see companies in the near future where I'll be able to go online and look at the dairy. I'll be able to go on there and look at the cows right now as they're producing the milk that I just bought. Well, I'll be able to go online and look at the dairy. I'll be able to go on there and look at the cows right now as they're producing the milk that I just bought. Well, I'll be able to check myself.

Starting point is 01:22:28 Well, remember when we first started the podcast, we're only about a year in. One of the first we had somebody approach us that wanted to do. We talked about doing a pure way like nothing in it, nothing, no flavoring protein and part of the pitch that he had on us was that we would take us to the dairy. We would see where everything started and that they wanted to market it that way too. So I agree. I think that's, I think transparency. I think people are wanting more and more to know where where their food is being sourced from exactly what you're saying. I mean, think of that.

Starting point is 01:22:56 I mean, think of that. Imagine you buy your meat and you can tap in with your app for whatever company. Look at the meat, the cows grazing. You can watch the food your app for whatever company. Look at the me, the cows grazing. You can watch the food yourself, see for yourself. Talk about the transparency that the owner wrote. I want to put your box to tell you my cow. I want to know my cow's name, and I want to see him every Thursday to see how he's doing. We have a little slaughter day party.

Starting point is 01:23:17 I don't think they'll ever show the slaughter. I think that'll reduce sales. Yeah, that's what I think so. All right, so I want to remind everybody that, I think what we have one day left, Doug, is it the final day for Maps and Abolic 50% off? Final five. So, final hours.

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