Miss Me? - Babies

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss having babies later in life, The Perfect Couple and lube.This episode contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Wintour, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi, and Golda Ra'Shaval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality

when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began. From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kus Jumbo. BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language, adult themes and strong sexual references. So if you can't handle it, then sorry. Really sorry. ["Sweet Home Alone"] Hello. Hello, hello, hello.

Ew. Ew. What? What do you mean, look at me? You got your legs out. You got your legs out. What subliminal message are you trying to send? Trying to enjoy the last days of summer.

Did it get hot there as well? Yeah. And just that I'm a sexy bitch. There you go. There it is. There it is. I've come in my pajamas today to talk to you. I'm sexy bitched out.

I've done five days in a row of sexy bitching. Too much of a sexy bitch. I've sexy bitched all over this town for five days. I'm so tired and so not in the mood to ever wear a skirt or heels again. So thank you for, thanks for bringing some glamour to our FaceTime today Because I didn't have it in me. You look lovely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. How you doing? I'm okay fair to middling I'd say Speaking like, you know uptake from absolutely diabolical and in turmoil last week, but I'm still not great.

You know, holding it together. Have you been staying off the internet or did you see my escapades around London over the last five days? I haven't been on Instagram. Good for you. Well done. Actually, that's not true. I did once go on Instagram but not for very long. And I think it was just a post a selfie of me. But also I've disabled my comments so I post things, you know, and it's all about the narcissism, right? So if you're not getting comments back, it's just like whatever. I know. I know. It's such a futile game without reaction. It's like, oh, I actually am here for one thing and one thing only which is for you

to tell me I look good. And if you disabled those comments then what's the fucking point? So it's like okay there's a picture. Bye. Well it was quite useful for me this week because I had so much to do and again I was like well if I'm to dress up in all these bloody clothes, shave my legs and be, you know, waxed from my eyebrows to my toes. Like I had to do some serious grooming. Then I was like, well, I'm going to post all about it. So I've been on Instagram a lot over the last five days. But I had Fashion Week, which I used to... You told me about three weeks ago that you were not doing London Fashion Week this year.

I know it. You said you were going to one show, which was going to be Jonathan Anderson. Yeah. Because you love the clothes. Yes. And nothing else. And that is a lie. It's a lie.

I did three. I thought that was very casual, very just popping in. Yeah, fashion week just gets you though because you're like, I'm not doing this and then someone goes, we'd love to you to come to this. You're like, oh, that's nice. Okay, I'll come to that. Should we explain the intense energy of a fashion show? Because of course, I had quite a lot of like, why am I doing this? Why am I putting myself through anxiety moments about the weekend? And one of my friends, Phoebe, tall Phoebe said something quite straight to me,

which was like, part of your job is to have a public persona. So just get out there and promote yourself a bit every now and then, it's only five days out of the year. And I sort of, I have a lot of uncomfortable feelings about that. I don't really see myself like that, but it is a part of our jobs. And I know you've had time where you, but it is a part of our jobs. And

I know you've had time where you've indulged in fashion week antics. Have you ever enjoyed it? Was ever a good time for you? I've got complicated feelings around fashion. Yeah, I think I've enjoyed it sometimes. I really used to enjoy going to the Chanel shows because they were such a spectacle and I was always very prioritized and very well looked after. It's very nice to be prioritized in that environment. Yes, but I don't really care. This is what I mean, you have to care.

Now is not a good time to ask me. I've got just got a lot of other stuff going on in my life and fashion shows really come very, very, very far down the list of things to give a fuck about. So, yeah. I totally understand. I totally understand.

There is that feeling where you're either really like, right, let's do this. I used to do like, you know, four a day for four days straight and that's a very different energy. But in the middle of it all, I had our friend, Grimmie's, Nicholas Grimshaw's 40th birthday. That old hag, is 40 is she? You bitch. Listen, I know you're now like, you're literally our friend that's in her 30s still now.

Cause we're all just 40. Enjoy it. I'm enjoying it. I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying it. I know it hasn't been as exciting as you hoped, but it was definitely like, this is going to be a school reunion. There are so many people that we all know together that we've known for 20 years, maybe a little bit more.

So I was very like, okay, here we go. And it was wonderful. It was really nice to see all the different ways that someone wants to celebrate this milestone birthday. This is like my fourth or fifth friend that's had a 40th now. And obviously Grimmy did a Seoul House takeover. Okay.

Basically, private members club takeover. In one of the private clubs that's not even open yet, our producer Dino was there. We had a beautiful hug. Sent a picture of us hugging to the team. Saw that in the WhatsApp group. Yeah. And we actually realized that it was our,

it's actually Grimmie's birthday, is no longer Grimmie's birthday, sorry Grimmie. It's actually the origin invention of Miss Me birthday. Because outside Grimmie's last birthday is where Dino came up to you and said, do you wanna do a podcast? Said, do you wanna let you and Lilly do a little podcast? So me and Dino are in the corner quietly celebrating,

miss me, and celebrating Grimmie. And pitching new podcasts to each other. And yeah, just development. But it was really emotional. I saw some people I haven't seen in a really long time, and everyone is like, as you said after my birthday, healthy, happy, doing well. Nothing that I assumed we would be doing at 40.

And I do think you find yourself looking at the different ways that people's lives look. And I realized there are quite a lot of us now, I'd probably say 80% of us who are mothers and then 20% that aren't. And it made me kind of go back to that conversation in my head that I've been having about whether I even want to be a mother.

I think there's a difference between wanting kids, I wanna have kids and actually wanting to be a mother. And it's quite nice to just have a dalliance every now and then in the land of not being a mother because everything is about being a mother, especially when you're my age, 40 as a woman, everyone's asking you, do you not wanna have kids? Do you wanna have kids?

Are you seeing someone? Do you have a boyfriend? And it's a lot. But what I realized at Grimmie's is there are a few other people, just a few, that also have this pressure and this fear and that we can be honest with each other and talk to each other about it.

And that really helps. For me, I just have a lot of curiosity about whether I can be a mother, how long you really have, because I did some research and there are statistics that say you can be a mother quite easily in your 40s, but usually if you've already had children,

if it were to be your first pregnancy, of course it's much harder. And that tick... Ticking time bomb. I remember Marisa Tomei talking about it in my cousin Vinnie when she's like slamming her foot on the ground. She's like, all I can hear is tick tick tick and I'd be like, what is she talking about?

And then suddenly you hear it one time and then once you hear it you can't not hear it. It is actually a tick. Like this. Time is running out. And then I thought, well, okay, I'm just gonna be very honest and talk about it with Lily because you've been a mother since we were so young. And it was something you really wanted.

And I don't know whether we've even thought about what your life would look like if you hadn't had the girls. I mean, I think about it all the time. Do you? But do mothers think about that? Like the alternate life? Yeah, I mean, listen, I had kids when I was really young.

Also, I was in active addiction at the time. I wasn't taking drugs when I was pregnant, but- Life was a bit crazy. Yeah, I think I had children for all the wrong reasons, really, because I was yearning for unconditional love which I haven't felt in my life since I was a child. And also my career was such a you know high speed, high pressure and I'm a people pleaser and I felt like very overwhelmed by what was happening with my sort of my life being public and and also completely always on the move and I felt very overwhelmed by what was happening with my life being public and also completely,

always on the move. I felt like the one way to stop people hassling me was to say, it's not about me actually, it's about this other person that's inside me. Right. That I'm growing, leave me alone. Did it work? Yeah, it did leave me alone.

But then I had kids. Yeah, and then suddenly you're a kid. I don't think I really understood what I got myself into, you know. My mom, bless her, had children really early as well and she really struggled but she doesn't really talk about the struggle and so you know she sort of inadvertently gaslit me into thinking it was you know easy. You just sort of throw the me into thinking it was, you know, easy. You just sort of throw the kid over your shoulder and you get on with it. Oh, see, my mom didn't. But both our lifestyles were completely different.

You know, her job was like very static and in one place and went to an office and mine wasn't like that at all. You know, it just wasn't easy. It just wasn't easy. It just wasn't easy. And yeah, I often think, because I think I'm still in mourning of the life that I had. And whenever I sit down to do long form interviews, like I did that, my cultural life and stuff, is that people always want to go back to that time. It's like that time is what defines me. That is who people think of me as when my name comes up in conversation. What you at like 23? Yeah and so 23 year old me is like my identity that I'm in mourning of because when I had

children that that person died. Two other people were born and they're great and I love them more than fucking anything and nothing will ever come between them but the truth of the matter is that something in me died yeah. But I think actually with a lot of things in life you have to lose something to gain something and I'm just trying to figure out how much of a loss it would feel to lose the things that are in my life now uh to gain Something like becoming a mother. I mean like when you're talking about our parents I was reading um the excerpt from Auntie Nana's book and she was talking about I mean she was 17 when she had Naima

But I thought you were kind of old when you had a kid Because Alison was 17 with Sarah mom was 20 with me and Nana was 17 with Neymar. You were 25. We thought we were, I thought it wasn't young at all for you to be having a kid. It felt like about time. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yeah, times change don't they? Everything fucking changes. Goalposts are always being moved.

Do you think that I should, if the opportunity arises, you think I should be a mother? I think you'd make a great mum. I think you need to figure out, you know, if you want to do it with someone else, or if you wanna do it on your own. And if you wanna do it on your own, then, you know, we can start moving. We can do that.

No. Drag me to the sperm clinic. Yeah, I know you said you watched that cod after she's ever said you were like hmm I mean, yes, I'll call you when I'm ready for that part of the journey I mean as you know, I got an extraordinary offer From some people who I won't name. Yeah, probably good. Because that might really take the piss. Not a good start. Very eligible people, very eligible people who wanted to discuss having a baby with me.

The most unusual phone call I've ever had, but it kind of just made me think, like wait a minute, regardless of do I want to do it like this, do I even want to be a mother and if I do would this be a Viable way to have a baby with two men that can't have a baby obviously But we would raise it they said you could have naught to 50% Involvement and I just suddenly thought I don't think I could have a baby and have three and a half percent involvement I don't think I'm wired that way, but maybe some maybe someone is but I just don't think I could have a baby and have three and a half percent involvement. I don't think I'm wired that way,

but maybe someone is, but I just don't think I'd be able to do it. They did have a really nice house though. With a pool. Ooh. Go on, do it. A latch of a water swimming pool. I was like, oh, okay, I'm seeing summers there.

That's a bit of me. This is good. But I could do it on my own as well, you know? I could. It probably, if at like 44, I haven't had a baby, I think I could do it on my own as well, you know, I could. It probably, if at like 44, I haven't had a baby, I think I could do it on my own. I think I would quite like to do it on my own, actually. I'm not so scared of that anymore.

It doesn't look like this awful secondary option. I'd like to be financially secure to have some fun with that. I just can't relive what I had in childhood, which is skint single mother. That was hard. Let's not do that again. I did that in my lifetime once already.

Let's not do that. But yeah, it was a big old weekend full of quite big thoughts, I suppose, because of the ages that we're turning. And then I kind of needed to like wind down from it all. So decided to like really watch some crap on Netflix. And I was like, how do you differentiate between real dog shit and like,

well that was entertaining but it was a bit shit. And I found the way. The perfect couple on Netflix was the worst thing I've ever watched on Netflix or any other channel. Did you watch it? Yeah, I completed it in like two days. I thought it was god awful. Of course you completed it, so did I, because there's something about a box set that doesn't

say you can just go. You can't just go. There's something about the way that white thing trails to next episode. It gets you before you have a thought to get out. It goes like next episode in like seven seconds and then it's not even seven seconds, it's like three seconds. Three seconds and you're back in. It's very clever. Whoever invented that one little wheel thing is just a genius. But I realized that there's something about the nature of the box set, which means that

you can't, I would have, if that was on telly, I would have never watched another episode. It was absolutely terribly acted. Nothing happens. And it's also a really shit version of Big Little Lies, which is absolutely brilliant that Nicole Kidman's in as well. I thought she would see this and go, no, this looks like a terrible version of something I did that was really brilliant. I mean, tell me if you liked it. It's not succession, but you know, it was background, I think. You know, I like a bit of trash. I don't really have to focus on that much, especially because I'm going through some stuff at the moment.

So, you know, and also it's good to watch like other people that have fucked up. That's what someone said in a review. They were like, why do we love watching rich people destroy each other? I was like, no, that's true. Because lots more were there. Yeah I fucking wasted six hours of my life. That's quite a long time. I could have ridden a horse in that time and we don't even realize that we're wasting all this time watching these things. We're just like oh yeah I'll finish the box set I have to complete it. Why? Why not stand away and just turn it off because it's shit. I

think I'll do that next time. I'm not gonna ever waste my time like that again. Why? Why not stand away and just turn it off because it's shit? I think I'll do that next time. I'm not gonna ever waste my time like that again. A truly wonderful moment of television in my life this week was watching Auntie Davina win Lifetime Achievement Award at the National TV Awards. I just wanted to quickly say why I call her Auntie Davina. Davina, when she was in her early 20s, went out with my cousin, named as Father Bruce, for a long time, maybe four years, five years, and she was a frequent babysitter, and we all loved her very much when we were kids.

She's so great, we love Davina. It was beautiful to see her be so celebrated this week, about bloody time. I think if you don't know all of the early stuff that Davina did, I think people will think about Big Brother, but there was a show called Street Mate that she did which was sort of really changed the way not just dating shows on TV looks but the way TV was she they left the mess of it all in and she was quite messy and she would say whatever she wanted and it was just you know people use the word

authentic now, but it wasn't authentic. It was just honest and real and I think people forget that she started that. And so this was nice to see people really remembering everything she's done and not just Big Brother. Oh, it was wonderful to see her being celebrated like that. I thought I won a lifetime achievement award. Do you?

Fuck yes. All of them. From who? From? BAFTA. Yeah, that'd be nice. BAFTA, I'd love it. Do you not want that?

Do I want a lifetime achievement award? I mean, I wouldn't turn it down, but I don't think it's something I'm pining after. Oh, I don't pine. I just think about it quite a lot. Think about my speech quite a lot. Think about it's pining. Definitely think about who I thank first.

Me. What order? Me. Alphabetical, Alan, Lily, Alan. Thank you, Lily. Definitely think about who I thank first, what order. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,

me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me And I don't want to be someone that goes to award ceremonies. I would like to go because of the work I've done affecting people and receiving many, many congratulations for that. That's how I'd want to be at all these things. Is it important to you that people like feel affected and changed by your work forever? Um, I really want to do like special things, you know. I want to explore things that everybody experiences,

but no one talks about. Do tell. You know, I can sit in the studio and I can write, like, fucking annoying pop songs, like, you know, around a metaphor or like, you know, whatever, until the cows come home. And it can just be like middle of the road crap. But like, you have to really be experiencing something usually painful, I think.

Yeah. You know, I think when people are in pain, right, we're very, especially in England or Britain, we're quite good at repressing it and burying it. And you know, I feel like I experience pain quite frequently. Sometimes I can turn that pain into something else and can give something a name or make something make sense for other people. And that is something that I strive for.

Yeah, and that's a real gift. Yes, just a shame that you have to be in pain to be able to write things. Totally. Totally. Totally. I think it's time for a break, actually. A loved one.

Yeah. A loved one. Go and put your kettle on. I will. You know I will. Polly put the kettle on. Polly put the kettle on. Polly put the kettle on.

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repeated. Welcome to Origins with me, Kush Jumbo, the show with the biggest names in entertainment tell me the stories that made them who they are today. Origins is a conversation about my guests' early inspirations and growing up. Guests this season include Dame Anna Winter, Poppy Delevingne, Pete Capaldi, and Golda Rocheval, aka Queen Charlotte in Bridgerton. I only kind of discovered my sexuality when I went to drama school. Join me every week to hear where it all began.

From Sony Music Entertainment, this is Origins with Kuss Jumbo. Do you want to talk about Pulp? Yes. So I went to see pulp on the weekend. Our auntie Jeanette came to New York and texted me last week and said, do you want to come and see pulp this weekend? And I was like, yeah, we'll do that. And so I went out with Sam Wilson, our friend, mutual friend.

I knew you'd take Sam. And it was fucking great. I loved it and danced. I never danced. Especially since being sober. It was fucking great, I loved it. I danced, I never danced. Especially since being sober, I'm not a big dancer, but you just can't not dance to a band like Pulp, like Baby's, like ugh, it was so good.

How far did they take it back? They went back, you know, they did This Is Hardcore, they did Do You remember the first time? That is actually my option. You remember the first time? It was great. And also it just felt like everyone else, like you're not English.

So this is, Oh yeah. This is my people here. Okay? Yeah. And if I'm going to be like loud and obnoxious and dance and scream and sing the lyrics really, that's my right, back off.

As an Englishman. As an Englishman. I will enjoy pop however I see fit. He is such a fucking legendary front man. Like, the way he moves and his humor on stage and he's just like beguiling. Yes but also I like I always liked that Jarvis Cocker was smart but then pop stars were those in those days. I felt like he talked about things, used his mind and made us think about things.

Very good social commentator. I like the way he used to talk about the world. Yeah. I liked the way he saw it. If I could say half as much as Jarvis Cocker through my music, I would be a very happy woman. That's a nice big up. Did you hang out with him afterwards? I did not, no. I suddenly, about five minutes before the end, I started to spiral and got very in my head and I was like, Sam, I want to go home. And he was like, okay, let's go. I had a few of those this weekend. We just started out, this is great, this is great.

I have to get out of here immediately and be at home where it's safe. I was like, feeling so happy, and then I was like, I think I'm sad again. Sam, I'm sad. I want to go home. Quite literally the roller coaster. But you know what, now you know to ask for that and say,

get me out of here. I'm a person in the world and I'm no longer feeling happy about being here anymore, let's go home. Yes, cradle me and take me home, Sam. Now listen, I know you're a wordsmith, Now listen, I know you're a wordsmith, I know you're a lyrical genius, but when you decided to slap my sextal energy onto a possible merch idea for Miss Me, I didn't think it was too bad an idea, the Miss Me sextal, I actually, we might be quite ahead of the game. People can experience all the fun I've had

on my own personal sex stool. My little sex stool could be the, you know, the start of such a huge movement. Who knows what could happen? And then someone sent me a message on Instagram saying that a supermarket has usurped us with a blowjob stool? No. Yes.

Shut the fuck up. Can you send it to me? Yeah, I'll send it to you now. Do you think we could still do the sex stool even though there's a blowjob stool? Yeah, but I think it should have your face on it so that everyone has to sit on your face. No, no, excuse me. Everyone has to sit on your face.

So it's a double whammy. No, no, excuse me. Everyone has to sit on your face So it's a double whammy blowjob stool Fucking hell right. It's actually says blowjob stall. It's right by the fruit and veg That is a liberty that can't be right. I can't be real. Also. Wait a minute. Why would a stool help? Right, that can't be real. Also, wait a minute, why would a stool help? Who's that for in the exchange? Well, I guess the guy sits on the stool and the girl kneels or is it for her to sit on so that she's at dick level?

I think it's her to kneel on, which I don't think would actually be that helpful. What would be more helpful would be a blow job cushion, not a stool. I'm now thinking it's for her to sit on while, and him to stand in front of. It's actually not real, sorry. We've just had confirmation.

This is a load of bollocks. I think someone just used maybe Photoshop. I mean, it's quite well done. Okay. That means the gap in the market exists, and we'll fill it with the sex store But I just wonder like if we if the sex talk could have multiple purposes. Well, I mean, yeah, it could see you could sit on it If you needed to sit down you could use it for that you could put some magazines on there

Yeah, that's what mine's doing right now But if you were gonna sit on it as a man would that help? You could put some magazines on there. Yeah, that's what mine's doing right now. But if you were gonna sit on it as a man, would that help for a woman? No. I actually think it would be deeply unattractive actually, a man naked on a stool. For a blowjob, but for you, that's what you like,

is him sitting on the stool and you sitting on, you. Yes, but for purposes of me sitting on him, not for me to, anyway, I just don't think the dimensions, what I'm saying is I don't think a blowjob stool meant anything, our sex stool is based on the truth. Yes. Which is why I think it could be, it could fly. And then we're gonna do the spoon.

Your, yeah, your bondage spoon, wooden spoon. Yeah. Yeah, let's do those. What's a bondage spoon? wooden spoon. Yeah. Yeah, let's do those. Bondage spoon. With like slut written on the back so that when you get hit on the butt with the spoon, you get like slut embedded in your butt cheeks. I mean, I was thinking maybe a more family Christmas market,

but sure, we can do that as well. Almost like being branded. Miss me? Branding spoon. Miss me, that's what you should say. Miss me? Branding spoon. Miss me, no, that's what you should say. Miss me? Yeah, we'll go, we'll stay in development. We'll stay in development.

Anything else you wanted to talk to me about today, my darling? We could talk about Puff Daddy being indicted. That was, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what happened? Puff Daddy has been indicted. And there was a bit in the article, which I found quite fascinating. When federal agents raided Mr. Coombs' homes

in Los Angeles and Miami Beach in March, the indictment said law enforcement seized various free cough supplies. Free coughs is like the name for his like allegedly illegal orgies. Oh, yeah, so law enforcement see various free cough supplies including narcotics and more than 1,000 bottles of baby oil and lubricant Now I said to will one bottle lasts me a year, I'm not joking. Like just think about that, a thousand bottles of lube, like what is terrifying?

Because weirdly that, out of all things, that shows you the level. It's a lot of tissue. If you've got a thousand bottles of lube, how many boxes of tissues do you need to clean it all up? I can't believe I listened to his music for so many years and when I saw that video I wanted to cry that video of him beating up his ex-girlfriend. In the hotel Yeah, that was horrendous. Really scary. Actually, I did a Get him to the Greek special if anyone remembers that film it was with Jonah Hill and Puff Daddy's in the film. And so is Russell Brand. It's really quite the crew. And I had to like travel around with them from London.

We did a premiere here then we went to LA and yeah, all three of those people have gone through their own particular cases and accusations towards them. So that's what I'd call a lucky escape Makita, you came out unscathed. From that get him to the Greek. For a young beautiful woman to have come out with that little, get yourself lucky. That's like early noughties energy, yeah. On that note.

Are we really going to end on that? Yeah. Join us next week for another episode of Miss Me. The bum out years. Now listen, we've got quite interesting few weeks ahead. Do we? Cosmically, cosmically. I'll talk to you about it later. I don't want to bore the country with cosmic stuff, but it's meant, you're meant to feel like everything's blown up just letting everyone know if that's how you're all feeling or still feeling when does it stop cosmically about two weeks two weeks okay okay I can deal with that yeah you might as well enjoy it because after that it's

gonna be fucking plain sailing perfection abundance prosperity and light. Wow. Yeah. Well that's a turn up for the books. You better believe it. I'm gonna go into therapy and just be like you know don't worry got this it's just two more weeks. Keats said it's two more weeks Keats said it who else said it the planets. Tell me about that Lily tell me about that. Well, it's the moon. Are you talking to your therapist right now? Because I wanted to make Listen Bitch a theme. Am I in therapy?

I'm in three different types of therapy. Yeah. Got you. Yeah, yeah. Because I haven't had therapy for five weeks and I am losing it. Possibly we'll be in four different types of therapy next week.

If you've got the means, bathe in as many forms of it as you can I say yeah sure Oh, I'm not even talking about like healing and things like that. I've also got a bit of that going on Oh, right. What the hell's this other therapy then like real therapy with doctors that you know Do therapy. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah like Analysis analysis not like Reiki. I know some people are like, yeah, yeah, like analysis, analysis. Not like Reiki. I know some people are like, yeah, I'm in therapy. I like go and see a healer. It's like, no, you don't.

No, you don't. That's a good thing to say to somebody who's really trying to therapy their life. We'll save this though, because I do want to make therapy a listen bitch theme, especially for people that can't afford therapy and people that, you know, the experiences, different experiences people have had with it.

It did save my life. We can talk about this. We'll talk about this at another time. Exactly, I will do this. I will do this for a listen bitch theme. Okay, but the theme this week for listen bitch is safety. It is safety. Whatever form of safety you wanna discuss,

this is the place to do it. And I think it's going to take us to many different places. Excellent. I'll see you on the other side. Excellent. See you there, darling. I'll see you on Monday for Listen Bitch. I'll see you on Monday, babe. Alright. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephoneka production for BBC Sounds.

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