Miss Me? - Baby Planedeer

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss the viral TV show, Baby Reindeer, their own stalking experiences, turning 40 and whether to give up your seat for kids on planes.This episode contains strong language, adult themes and descriptions some audiences may find upsetting.Credits:Producer: Florence Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you, Rogers. BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. A gentle warning, Miss Me contains very strong language and adult themes. welcome to miss me special edition it's makita's 40th birthday everybody to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, 40 years old Makita. Happy birthday to you. How long have you been waiting for this day? Let's be completely honest. I mean, you did start getting incredibly paranoid about being old when we were about 15. That's right.

And so I guess in the back of my head, I've always thought, gosh, one day we're going to be 40 and she's going to lose her fucking mind. And today is that day. How's it going? How's it going? Everything's making me want to cry like like this picture of my mum things like that are starting to make me feel really emotional and gushy I think I just I've gone I think I'm just like feeling a bit like life is really short yes and I used to be able to say that to myself a bit, like, God, life is so short, but I don't really have to worry about that right now. Immortality is coming on strong. Mortality.

I feel like we've both, like, I mean, you slightly more so than me, but we've both lived a big chunk of our lives. What do you mean, like, it's gone? Like, we've done it? We've done what? We've done one half! We could be at the halfway could be we could be at the halfway point we could be at the halfway point nearly we could be less than the halfway point i mean because you know touch wood hopefully we'll

we'll um we'll get to 80 but we could be yeah well this could be half time i mean we've lost uncles and um aunties and so some people are in their sixties and fifties. And so, yeah, so then this is what happens with getting older. Then the duality of complete and utter gratitude for life in the first place starts to really kick in as well. And then I was thinking about the 28 club, you know, everyone that died at 27, that kind of had burnt really bright and couldn't, you know, university spiritually take their lives to that next bit. Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain,

Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin. Janis Joplin. God, was Janis Joplin not even 28? See, that's ridiculous. But, you know, those people I thought were grown. And I'm thinking a lot about people

that didn't even get to 30 it's like right there is nothing to do but have gratitude but I just have had a freak out alongside so then I started looking at what people have done at 40 because like the the parents in father of the bride one who were like dowdy and wearing beige, are 42. That's how old they're meant to be. I feel like those parents. That's me now. You feel like Diane Keaton and Steve Martin. I feel like I've like dressed up today. I'm wearing a brown and blue shirt. I mean, and some brown trousers. Yeah, I'm basically Diane Keaton right now. But does it feel different to get older

if you've already had kids because this isn't even a panic about not having kids this is genuinely just the age of 40 being such a big grown age does it feel more like it makes sense for you to turn 40 next year let's not forget you are because you've had kids and one of the you know ethel's nearly 13 yeah oh my god they are a fucking nightmare at the moment. I know you've had quite the week with your babies. I mean, I guess because there feels like there is like life in the house, you know, like it's come 345 once they finished school, you're like inundated with youth, you know, it's just like screaming you in the face quite literally. Right. And so I feel like, you know, they're sort of like carrying the flame

forward or in some way you know i get that but you made these people and they're young and at the beginning of of their kind of new chapters of teenagehood yes the circle of life yeah circle of life they're just they're just here being being at the beginning of their lives, thinking that they are far more experienced than they are and knowledgeable. Sounds a little familiar. Do you remember us at 13? I took their phones away from them on the weekend. That's so harsh, Lily. Is it?

I didn't have a phone at 13, but I had one at 14 and my mum did take it away once and I was so pissed off. Okay, so this is what happened. Basically, I've been reading this book called The Anxious Generation, which we talked about a couple of weeks ago. And his suggestion is that you don't give smartphones to children before eighth grade. Now, mine are in fifth and sixth. They can have phones, flip phones,

anything that doesn't have like browsing capabilities or social media. So what you do is you sign up to this website called like Pledge the 8th or something. And you get 10 other parents in your kid's grade to sign up to this thing to say that you won't give your kid a smartphone until eighth grade. So I said to the kids, I was like, I'm going to put this in the parents WhatsApp group. If I get 10 parents from your grade and 10 parents from your grade, I'm taking the phones away. Friday last week, got to 10. So I was like, looks like the phones are being confiscated.

And they both lost their little tiny minds. Because you're the mom at the heart of it. So every kid's going to be like, your mom started this. Yep. Are you all right with that role i don't care it's their brains that i'm worried about long term they've got enough to cope with having me as a mom i'd rather take smartphones out of it and then hopefully survive um anyway i digress so i did get them apple watches which are controlled through my phone so i can see exactly what's going

on so i can still contact them. They can still pay for stuff, blah, blah, blah. I can still see where they are. But they don't have browsing capabilities. They can't sit on YouTube all day and they can't be on social media. But we did go to a Rangers game on Sunday. I know. I saw the paparazzi picture.

But Marnie. I love when you're courtside. We were sitting in the green room in halftime and Marnie was moaning about this thing I've done on WhatsApp with the parents. She was like, I can't believe you did this. And I was like, it's actually quite a hard thing to do to get 20 people to agree with you and sign up to this.

You know, I said, I'm quite proud of myself. She's like, it's not hard. David was like, you try and get 20 people in this room to do something all at the same time and David was like I'll pay you a hundred dollars if you can do it and she was like do what we were like get everyone to do this put three fingers hold three fingers up okay okay and um and she was like a hundred dollars hmm okay she really liked money money so she was like anyway so then the next quarter of the game went through and she was just like how do I how do I do it and I was like well there's several options like you can go around the room and tell people that you're going to do this thing in 10

minutes and hopefully they'll join in or you could stand on the table and you could say can everyone put three fingers in the air yeah there's several different approaches of like how you can you can do this um and she could you could just see her steaming away and just approaches of like how you can do this. And you could just see her steaming away and just like thinking about how she was going to do it. It was really intimidating. There were loads of like celebrities. There was a guy from The Sopranos. Jason Bateman was in there.

What a room. F. Murray. What's his name? The old guy in White Lotus was there. Anyway, she was sitting there and she did it. And she was like this. She was like, mum, can you just do it? And I was like, okay sitting there and she did it and she was like this she was like mum can you just do it and I was like okay fine I did it and then one of the like famous people the guy from White Lotus clocked me doing it and he was like is that the brownies thing and I was like

Marnie I was like Marnie you better tell him what it is and she was like I'll get a hundred dollars if I get 20 people to do this okay and he was like well let's do it and so he like got the Sopranos guy and suddenly we were like in this room Jason Bateman's there and everyone's like holding up their fingers like this and Marnie went bright red but also like she had a real sense of accomplishment she didn't realize that like she there's all this power that she has like in her like she can she can get people to do things you can start revolutions there is still some hope um anyway it was great she got her hundred dollars this is great parenting thank you so much because to show your child the power and the strength that they

have in themselves that's job done that is job done yeah you can leave them now. You can send them into the bush. Fine. They can run. I'm wandering around going... I'm holding three fingers up. Oh, God. New York life. Have you ever done the Kiss Cam? Yeah, we've done the Kiss Cam. We do the Jumbotron.

No way. Yeah, but you know what? Sometimes, this is so embarrassing, because we go there and there's a woman that works for either the Knicks or for the Rangers. And she is in charge of the Jumbotron stuff. So that's like the stuff that gets filmed and put on the thing in the middle. All right.

And bless her, every weekend she comes in and she says, guys, we're going to cut to you in the third quarter or whatever. And she looks at me and I like make this face and she goes Lily are you comfortable with it and I'm always like no why not because I get so embarrassed I feel like a no one's gonna know who I am and or like there's a chance I might even get booed oh Lily schmilly bomb Billy I don't want to have the um my name come up I don't really like being introduced on stage either I just prefer people to go like ladies and gentlemen and then I'll just walk out rather than them say my name I just hate the idea of there being like a pause after my name like for a reaction I hate it but one of the reasons you moved to America is so that you could be somewhat more anonymous

and I don't want to say be David's wife, but maybe a bit. Like this is, because I like the idea of you being, this is David Harbour's wife, Lily. Yeah. Like that's great. Well, that's definitely,

I think what is happening in those scenarios anyway. They have done it a couple of times where they'll like play a clip of LDN or something beforehand. No, stop. No. At the New York Knicks game. Yeah.

Now I know why you're triggered. But to be fair, people have always been very generous and like polite and clapped and cheered. But I don't, I just don't like it. I just don't like it. You know what's weird in America? I can say this because I was just there. In service in America, it's really polite, but it's not connected. Does that make sense?

Like hospitality. And remember, I went to Texas with my mum and Kelly that works with my mum. And Kelly now works with my mum in all the stuff my mum does now. But before, they ran restaurants and pubs and raves together. And so they are hospitality brethrens they know hospitality it's why i know hospitality because i'm born from them and we were like it's insanely different because there's this level of politeness and what can i get for you and everyone um does their order like i'm gonna'm going to do the tuna. They're always like, I'm going to do, do the order. Not, can I have?

Right. Just that little, like, language nuance. And then, obviously, with the tipping, we just got so lost. My mom's terrible at maths anyway, so she got very freaked out. But Kelly's great at maths and worked in hospitality, and we still couldn't figure it out. And I don't mean the 20%. I mean, because we're cashless now and now you tip in cash. But then when you pay on your card, there's an option to tip or not even an option that you have to tip there as well.

You don't have to tip in cash. But what I do is just double the tax. That's always what I do. Stop it. That's what people kept saying. And we were all like, what does that mean? That's such an American thing. Just double the tax. None of us could figure out what that like, what do you mean double the tax? Well, because the tax on your food is generally 10% and you tip 20. So you just double the tax. And that's what your tip would be. No one explained it as simply as that so let's say if it's a hundred dollars the tax would be ten dollars so you would tip 20 now that i can get

my head around why couldn't anyone explain it that easily to us anyway we were over tipping all over the bloody place then but services win it's it shames us i have to say you mean the service is so much better in America than it is in England it's not better but they just it's like little things like fruit cups on ice

fruit cups on ice what are you talking about like in the hotel there's like a place where you can get coffees and also they have fresh fruit in really good

packaging on ice in England the fruit would be shit and it wouldn't be on ice does that make sense it's just like they just think a little bit more about what is expected of hospitality and i listen i'm talking about someone who grew up in hospitality and i know how hard everyone works but there's just a different approach to things yes it's like in the supermarkets where they have

that like mister here in america they don't have it in england what is that you's like in the supermarkets where they have that like mister here in america they don't have it in english what is that you know like what i'll be the vegetables there's like mist that comes out like it's like they've got their own sprinklers basically they're having a facial see that's why it's just like little touches little touch so that the vegetables have like droplets of water on them that makes them look yeah but i will also say when you get the vegetables home they go floppy in about 12 minutes like a bag of carrots will stay in your fridge in england like crunchy for a month here you get a bag of carrots the next day they're flopped still i don't know why it happens what weird chemical shit is going on i mean i had some

bad sausages so i'm with you now they were were actually called links. Oh, never have a sausage in America. Ever. Links. Do you know that? They're like those skinny ones. I don't, I actually don't even want to talk about it. I go to this place called Myers of Keswick in lower Manhattan to get our sausages. And they're just like English, you know, bangers. I would not touch an American sausage with a barge pole so I got back from Texas and this is the power of Netflix you're out of the country and then you come back and whatever's been on the first page of Netflix is what everyone is watching. It's a very clever first page of Netflix. And the people looking after Zeddy,

my friend Autumn and her boyfriend, just banging on about Baby Reindeer. It's such a creepy name as well, Baby Reindeer. I'm going to talk about this. So if anyone doesn't want to know anything that happens, I suggest you turn the volume down for the next few minutes. Yeah, yeah. Baby Reindeer is a new Netflix show

which has garnered mass attention and rave reviews and is about a Scottish comedian who's stalked by a woman after a brief encounter in a pub. Yes, and he plays himself. He plays himself and it's a true story and he plays himself sorry that's too close to but i don't know the yeah in episode four it goes off on a tangent um to sort of previous events that were leading up to this stalking beginning and that he becomes sort of i guess triggered or re-traumatized by the stalking and it takes him back to this other dark place that he went to.

And can I... Oh, my God. It's a lot. I watched it yesterday and I got triggered. It was... Episode four was brutal. That was her word. I was like, this is too much for me.

Is that because of your stalking stuff or just in general no it's more about um sort of self-loathing drug abuse and that stuff and sex and sexual assault as well so yeah it was kind of those things really but um it was all those other traumas yeah the stalking bit is very different to my experience with stalking i for our listeners that don't know i had a stalker who um someone broke into my house um uh believed that they had a sort of relationship with me um and ended up i mean you woke up with him in your bedroom and with did he have a knife he had something stuffed under his jumper which he when he was interviewed at the police station they asked him what he was doing in my house and he said i was

going to put a knife through her face and and so putting two and two together we assume that what he was concealing underneath his jumper was a knife um and yeah he's you know he's in jail i feel reasonably safe i think although i don't know how much sort of trust i have in the police to inform me if he you know gets released for whatever reason i just don't really um yeah trust that system well what can i say one of the reasons that you would have no trust in that system is because before this man broke into your home when your girls were asleep and thank god you were seeing someone at the time so you weren't alone but there had been many many incidents leading up to this that were fucking with your head and completely terrifying you uh instances with things of yours being stolen and burnt and

put on your car i mean there was like terror you were being terrorized by him before he got in your home. And that's the bit in retrospect. No, I mean, actually those bits, those bits happened afterwards. So for seven years leading up to that, he'd done various other things. He'd like been writing letters and turning up at my management's office.

He came to a gig and held up a sign when I was on stage. And I knew that from the language of what was on the sign that it was the guy that had been sending me these letters and stuff. So, and then, you know, a year later, the police called me

because they'd arrested him that night. And then a year later, they called me and said, you know, we don't want to alarm you, but we want you to be on high alert because we've lost track of him and we believe that he's active. So I was always like in a sort of heightened state of like this guy might appear at any given um time and then you

know in the sort of wake of me and my first husband breaking up he managed to break into my house yeah in the middle of the night and um it was it was you know it was it was terrifying i think what was more the most terrifying about it was the experience with the police though oddly enough um and trying to get them to uh take it seriously and their inability to make me feel reassured um or safe in any way yes yeah but you know what this is weirdly i was i think it's because I watched Scoop on Netflix. Did you watch it? The Prince Andrew, Emily Maitlis thing. Yes, I saw that.

Yeah. And I started getting a bit obsessed with Emily Maitlis. I was like, yeah, who is Emily Maitlis? Who is she? Because like the way they described her, what did they say? She never eats and she runs every morning. I was like, okay, who is this crazy bitch?

And it's like looking into her life. Like, you know eats and she runs every morning i was like okay who is this crazy bitch and uh looking into her life like you know how she became emily maintenance because i she's quite part of the furniture now brilliant broadcaster and um has suffered from with a stalker since university and he went to uni with her and and this is what makes me think about the police because it's like for 30 years he was terrorizing her and this is the problem with stalking nothing is in place nothing can be done says them until an attack has been made and so you can suffer with it for years and years. That was the case. Has it changed? That was the case I believe it's changed um the safeguarding minister Laura Farris has issued new guidance to apply a lower standard of proof when issuing orders. So instead of police having to persuade a judge beyond reasonable doubt about a stalker, they only have to persuade a judge on the balance of probabilities now.

What does that really mean? Well, it's something serious doesn't have to happen before legal action can be taken. Now you can show a pattern of behavior that indicates someone may stalk or cause some damage. Great, that's good because you can be like, you can fucking smell a wronging and you can smell wronging behaviour before it starts getting really serious and it would be nice to know that you can feel safe from then

and put something into protection. Yes. Are you part of the reason that's changed? No, I don't think so I think there were other things that changed not necessarily to do with the law but to do with how police handled um stalkers just like guidelines wise I think there were some changes that happened as a result of mine but sometimes I can't quite believe you went through that it's so isolating because on the face of it nothing's happened yet it's all

instinctive right so you're you're like I think this thing is happening to me but nothing's I'm still safe and I'm okay but I feel like I'm in danger and you know before these you know guidelines have changed I think it's such a sort of scary place to be in people are like why didn't you tell your friends and family it's like tell them what? Like someone sent some letters and that, you know, a guy turned up at my gig with a sign saying that he wrote the fear. Like that doesn't sound particularly worrying. was an incredibly like paranoid place anyway and I remember you know I had like a bit of a sort of vendetta against you know some sort of news outlets that I'd had run-ins with before and I really felt like you know all I had to do at the time was like go outside and I was stalked by photographers and journalists for a big chunk of my of my life and so even like the just being outside of my house and smoking a cigarette right felt like that was a moment that I would never have to life and so even like just being outside of my house and smoking a cigarette right felt like

that was a moment that I would never have to myself and so the idea when the stalking thing happened um it wasn't in any of the papers right it was not reported and I know that when I tried to tell people what was happening they would look at me like, you're Lily Allen. Like if this had happened, we would know about it because we know everything about your life because it's so well documented. So I felt like, and this sounds so weird and paranoid, but I felt like the newspapers knew full well what was happening because they have a relationship with the police and had decided to like hold it back almost like to fuck with my brain slightly why would the press ever do something like that's really out of character for them to be so awful not really not really i

think if you have a feeling about the press doing something in that time in your life i wouldn't fucking put it past them though yeah it was i mean listen i can't ever prove that that's what they were trying to do but i just know how much of my life ended up being used as like as gossip. And this seemed like a particularly juicy piece of information that someone had broken into my house and tried to kill me. So why they would decide to hold that back, I don't know, unless it was like, you know, to further isolate me and in the hope that I would like drive myself insane, and it would give them you know more content well I think there was also an element of not wanting to print things that made you that that made people sympathize with you maybe that maybe that I want to give you love and protect you either way either

way really horrible people really big terrible bastards there you go well actually can I just ask you have you ever had any any run-ins with stalkers? Oh, yeah. There was something actually recently that I really... Fuck, there's one message. Isn't it funny? One message can just... It messed with my head for a few weeks.

A man messaged me on Instagram and said, do you want me to punch you from here or in your bedroom? I hated every part of it, even though it doesn't really make much sense or it just freaked me out. So what did you do? Have you blocked him? Got a puppy.

Got a puppy. Got a tiny little Cocker Spaniel. I blocked him. I talked about it with the people I work with and they said, just block it. But I won't be scared. I won't be scared. And I've got a

lot of big lovely cousins that live very close to me very very close you know what i'm saying and kerry who's a bit of a witch so she can come do any black magic if there's any if there's any weirdness anyway i just want to go back to just to take it back from stalking go right back to aging i just want to talk about some things people have done because this is quite interesting, I thought. I think maybe we should just take a quick break after that. Oh, right. Okay. Okay.

I just need to gather my thoughts. Okay, yes, absolutely. Take a deep breath. Have a sip of my coffee. And then can we do my list? Then we can do your list. Then we can do my list because this is the list of women and men.

Thank you. And what they were doing when they were 40. Okay. Okay. Barbra Streisand, directed The Antle. Wow. So coming into her own, realizing her power. Courtney Love

arrested on her 40th birthday unfortunately for not showing up to a court appearance so I think

this is like post being an actress people versus Larry Flynn because that was a let's not lie

that was a move that was a movie that was a movie and a move and she was

Golden Globe nominated she looked fucking fiery and she was going out with Ed Norton.

It was beautiful. But then at 40, it wasn't going so well. Dr. Dre, it was just a few years after he'd signed Eminem. So his second run of success. Okay. So I could be Dr. Dre. You could. I could be Dr. Dre.

Remind me of Dr. Dre in so many ways. And Mariah Carey did that film Precious at 40. Okay. That's quite a move from her. Speaking of being 40, got a little surprise for you. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Give it to the chair. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. For audio listeners. Yeah. The BBC budget couldn't quite stretch to helium. So we've just got some balloons that we can put on the sofa.

Thanks, Ellie. Thanks, Autumn. Next to you. Wow. No, this is nice. Guys, this is sweet. This is nice. My pleasure.

Did you organise this or did the Miss Me team organise this? Obviously. I tried to get a mariachi band, but BBC said no. Oh, my God, I wish you got a mariachi band. We should have got that grime, what was it, the drill thing, that who is the birthday girl? You are the birthday girl. We should have got that.

Who is the birthday girl? Who is the birthday girl? You are the birthday girl. Who is the birthday girl you are the birthday girl we should have got that who is the birthday girl who is the birthday girl you are the birthday girl who is the birthday girl you are the birthday girl live and direct hatley to nyc you know you know it 40 years old oh jesus christ the birthday dinner is uh tonight Inviting people's been really difficult because it's a dinner for 40, including all aunties, uncles, best friends and cousins. And you know what that looks like in our family. 40 is not a lot. It's really not.

It's not at all. No. Once you put the core family in, it's like, you're fucked. Okay, I'm going to tell you my favourite birthday party of yours and you tell me your favourite birthday party of mine. Oh, my God. Don't put this kind of pressure on me because I can't remember anything.

It's not pressure, babe. It's all right. I'll start with yours. Either the 16th, which was at Groucho's. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was good. I really liked that one. I was wearing that little Pam Hogg two-piece.

Yeah, you were. That's. I really liked that one. I was wearing that little Pam Hogg two-piece. Yeah, you were. That's right. Sixteen as well. Do you remember Steve-O from Jackass was there? No, didn't know that. Yeah, he was. Some weird people came to our parties. I had a great birthday party my 25th.

Do you remember my 25th? It was at Smash. Yeah. I mean, you did copy me because that's where my album launch was, but we won't go there. No, your album launch was at The Loft. No, it wasn't. It was at Smash.

Oh. It wasn't a copy. There's not that many places in West, okay, that are open late. And that one was weird. Karen O turned up from the Yayayas. Kate Nash was there. Wow. And I think that's it for celebrity sightings.

Why do I do it? And you're still going to do a ragga set at the party, yeah? Oh, crap, I forgot. I better not do a Grimes and input my BPM, outsource the BPM. So I'll have to, yeah, work on that set today. You know what I want. You know exactly which eight songs I want. And that's all we'll need you for. Eight tunes. Hey,'s right that's right you know what we're just about to have a

weekend of celebrating me so let's do this okay i'm i'm there i mean i've spent my whole life celebrating you i think you are amazing i know and i think we'll end this with um hang on why are we ending I thought we had more stuff to talk about so I have to go I have to go we have to talk about plastic surgery oh I think we should save plastic surgery for next week when I'll be thinking about it really quite seriously as I start my new day no but um there are things that are changing and you really have to just go with that. I looked at my, I mean, you just showed me a picture of you when you were about to have Ethel.

So you would have been 20? 26, 27 when I had Ethel, yeah. Yeah. God, Lily, you were so young. I mean, I know people have babies younger, but I thought you were grown. I was a baby. You're a baby. We are flying to London today to come and see you for your birthday me

and that baby i'm going in first class she's going in economy wow merry christmas um you know what that is uh selfish the circle of life oh okay i'm just trying to end this nicely it's a circle of life. Oh, okay. I'm just trying to end this nicely. It's the circle of life. That baby you had all those years ago is now coming with you to London because you live in New York to my 40th birthday, which we are having at the end of the road we grew up on, basically. It's true. I'm hoping, well, actually, I suppose it won't happen,

but there's like a trend at the moment on social media of like people defiantly saying that they won't give up their seats for children on airplanes. Have you seen this? Fair enough. Oh, really? You're one of those. Okay. Why would you give your seat to a kid if you paid for it? What do you mean? It's not like a train. Everyone's paid to be on a plane. Everyone's paid to be on the plane. So why do you have to give your kid a seat then because quite often when you're like a big group the um airline will separate the seats i don't

know why they do it but like you'll get on the you'll get to the airport and they'll be like your child's sitting over here and this and so when you get on the plane you then have to like ask people if they don't mind moving so that you can sit next to your children and obviously it's very inconvenient for everybody involved but i just find it like fascinating that it's now become like something that gives you clout on social media when you're like, a mum came up to me and asked me to move and I told them to fuck off. You're like, well, I don't want to be that person. Is this what we've become? Okay. Well done. Slow clap.

You made a family have to sit apart from each other. And they're like, as if I was giving up my 1A seat for these kids. It's like, oh, oh, oh. And then also then you, as a stranger, are sitting with a family that are angry with you and their kids down the aisle. Yeah, but they're also like, there's so much presumption going on because then the comments will all be like, if you wanted to sit with your family, then why didn't you book all the seats together and it's like maybe like their dad died yesterday and they're all going back to like oh yeah maybe that's stress jesus yeah why can't everyone just be a bit nicer to each other anyway that says me

who's putting myself in first class with my child alone in the back of the plane. Yeah, exactly. You silly bitch. I don't want to sit with my kids. Wow. Do you know, my mom said something to me this week. She was like, so me and Alison have our own, like, group about you two and Missy. I was like, oh, great. She goes.

Remind me never to ask you about that ever again. They're sending me screenshots. It starts nice. I'm so proud of them. I just listened to the last episode. Yes, girls, feel free to tell the world about all our shit. We will. And then Alison goes, this is so your mum.

Yeah, maybe we need to do Andy and Alison, the corrections podcast. Good luck with that. No, guys. I'll intro you to our guys at the BBC. All right, I'll see you tonight and then I'll see you for Listen Bitch. It's about boobs and, oh, I feel like the country's going to be a-tucking.

Boob time. It's boob time. This won't be like page three. It's going to be the opposite to page three. Boob time. It's boob time. This won't be like page three. It's going to be the opposite to page three. Bye, Lil. Bye. Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver.

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