Miss Me? - Dead Sheep Strategy

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver discuss sourcing vegan-friendly bean bags for Billie Eilish, the joy of a Charli XCX concert and the spiralling cost of childcare. Credits: Producer: Jonathan O’Sullivan Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language and very adult themes, but I don't want you to get the wrong idea. Still just a nice jovial chat.

Hi. Hello. Yo. How's it going? Do you want me to be honest? Yeah, I do want you to be honest. That's the whole fucking point. Well, I was meant to call you yesterday and I couldn't because i was projectile vomiting nice and that mixture of shakes had some sweating it was just i was ill i was basically ill yes as you know it's been a busy few weeks

for both of us and um trying to make sure i exercise keep myself healthy and good my trainer said to me and actually we train in the park and it was cold because we're having such a shit early summer. And I just started vomiting mid lunges. And I was like, I think I might be ill. He was like, yeah. And then he said to me, this really triggered me. He was like, there's no point you being here.

You're not at your best. So just go rest. I was like, no way. Like I need to be at my best at all times. So it was quite an interesting lesson yesterday that like sometimes that's just not possible I think you're very hard on yourself like if I feel even like remotely sick tired bit of headache that personal training session getting cancelled no I'm any excuse to cancel a session any excuse I felt bad I felt bad to tell

you I was ill I it's something I need to think about. I was like, why do I feel guilty that I'm ill today? So that was something that came up for me personally. But it was good to just sleep for like six hours. I slept during yesterday in the day and I never get to do that. So that was good. That's why I kind of feel like normal again today. Pleased you feel better. What a week we had last week, eh? Billie! Yeah, you know that huge superstar that came on our show?

It was quite a strange thing. I think I was just in the week last week, so only last week I was like, God, I can't believe we did that. I can't believe we chatted to Billie Eilish. She was so nice. I flew all the way from New York to come and do it.

It was quite an insane whirlwind of a trip. It was quite a crazy week, yes. But worth it for Billy, I feel. Can I just also say, it was very important that this was not a guest. We did not have a guest on Miss Me. We had a, I'd say like, extra pair of ears in

Listen Bitch. Okay, we can frame it however you want, babe. But it was really nice to just get to know her. I've never met her. No, I've never met her either. Well, she really loves you. She was very, very, very sweet, I thought, and very smart and very calm. The energy around her, the same cannot be said. That's so much.

It was funny for me because I've never seen that side of it before. Yes, right. So as the interviewer, I'm used to the energy in a room, whether it's a studio or a house. We happen to be in Lily's godmother's house because we wanted it to be normal and relaxed. But I'm used to that very much like, royalty is on the way, everyone prepare.

And Lily was like, why is everyone so stressed? And I was like, this is what it's like. But you're usually the big pop star arriving. So I can't imagine what a weird trip that was for you. It was so weird. We talked about it a bit on the podcast last week, but I really did cry when the rider came through because I guess it was sort of triggering for me

to be around somebody in a promo schedule because I know I've been there countless times in my life. It's always been very stressful, but I had always felt quite unsupported in those situations for whatever reason. And so it was hard for me to see somebody, you know, being treated so well, I guess, or not treated so well, but like surrounded by people that really were looking out for her best interests and really did care. And even afterwards, the sort of follow up that we had from her team you know people you know wanting to make sure that she was being represented in the right way and i just

i don't know i felt like with me it was just like free-for-all it was like great she said some like sensational shit let's farm it yeah who cares about what the consequences are for her so it's nice to see that things have changed or at least she is being looked after I felt I felt oddly protective like it was funny because when we were actually sitting in the interview the dynamic for me was like strange not interview because it wasn't an interview but you know I was sat in between the both of you and you know you have a history of interviewing you know big stars and so you instinctively you know approach it in a certain way that feels normal for you but I've always been the her in that situation sort of being interviewed and

sometimes being asked questions that make me feel uncomfortable and I'm a people pleaser so I'll tend to you know give people what they want in those situations and you know she is much closer in age to my children than she is to us don't say that isn't she directly in the middle no directly in the middle much closer she's 10 years away from them Ethel and Marnie and she's nearly 20 years away from us so my god so yeah so she you know i felt like you know a podcaster trying to make the you know the best show that we possibly could but also instinctively i felt like a mom and also an ex-pop star so i was like she doesn't have to answer that she doesn't have to answer that right there were about three or four different roles that were kind of going through your head in this process yeah and then let's not even talk about the panic from the day before because I remembered you know we'd

recorded the podcast in the same place before right and people will now be able to go and have a look back yeah my friend Hassan was like that's why you're in this weird room and I was like so we had these really lovely big sheepskin bean bags and then it was about I was like, that's why you're in this weird room. So we had these really lovely big sheepskin beanbags. And then it was about, I was talking to a friend of mine at the Sunday lunch the day before we recorded it. And I was talking to her and saying, you know, Billie Eilish is coming on our show tomorrow. And she was talking to me about her and she said this thing about her being a vegan. And I suddenly remembered, you know, that she was like a peter spokesperson and then I was like oh my god the sheepskin beanbags that are in my godmother's house and I was like holy shit I can't get asked

Billie Eilish to like sit on a dead sheep basically like that's just not gonna fly yeah also you I hadn't looked at my phone for a while and then I looked down and it just said sheepskin shit shit and I was like what the hell is she talking about I had no idea I was out of the house so I couldn't even check if they were real sheepskin then I called my godmother and I was like can you go and check on the labels yes of course they are real sheepskin she's my godmother can I move the beanbags she was like absolutely not like there's already too many people and too much stuff being moved around. So suddenly I'm like regressed

like into being like a naughty teenager, like about to have a party in my godmother's house or something. And it's like, you know, oh my God, she's going to get mad at me. But then I actually thought we might lose the interview if Billie Eilish came in and we asked her to sit down on the beanbags.

So we had to go and get three non-animal product beanbags for us to sit on just to be very clear it wasn't me and lily that it was like our producer dino's wife was at john lewis sending pictures saying do you think these are vegan will these do as you said quite i think you put it quite well it was like curb your enthusiasm the making of this billy episode it was chaos but actually you weren't a child about to be in trouble what you were was being a really accomplished adult uh producer i thought you were brilliant well i really thought that we were going to get like busted and there was going to be like angry pr people because in

the end what i had to do was like stack the dead sheepskin beanbags in the corner of the room because my godmother wouldn't let me move them out of the room and cover them in blankets so there was basically like this mountain in the corner of the room and i was like if anyone asks what is under that mountain like this is gonna be over it's like just 24 dead sheep just dead sheep dead sheep We're just pretending it isn't there. Oh, we got there in the end, didn't we? We did. We did.

And actually, I think she had a really nice time. Can we also say we didn't ask for this. It was Billy and her crew that wanted to make this happen. So I thought that was a really nice energy for us. They wanted to be part of Miss Me in some way. And then it worked out nice. I don't think we'll do it again unless it's... Timothy Chalamet.

Timothy Chalamet. That's right. We'll do it again if Timothy's in town today. Maybe also Jeremy Irons. Jeremy Irons. That's lol. Kate Blanchett. But yeah, it's important to let the world know that this is not a new format or anything.

We just, Billie was in town. She's a fan of us. Well, she's a fan of Lily. Likes, missed me. Came for a chat. That's it. It did get me thinking, though, because she had her mum with her. And 25 others.

And 25 other people. And I've been thinking about this a lot lately, about women, specifically, in pop music, whose family members seem to be ever-present within their careers. And the people I was thinking are... Oh, yeah, cos Dua's got her dad. Dua's dad is her manager. Beyonce's mum is always sort of around in the background,

and her dad used to manage her. Taylor Swift, her parents are on the team. Ray. Oh, yeah, Ray's manager is her dad. Her mum and dad, yeah. Rita's sister manages her. Elena, yeah. So those are all people that have been, you know,

seem to benefit from the presence of a family member on the team it's interesting that it's all women because I can't think of any men that you know are in the same situation and it just makes me think like what a cutthroat business it is that oh really like these are all the biggest female stars in the world like the common denominator is that they've got family members around them, like, watching out for them. It makes me think that, you know, girls that don't have people like that looking out for them,

like, more easily taken advantage of, you know? Maybe it's like a sort of... It's like a field of extra protection that is needed as a woman. Of course it is. But I think you also have to have a parent that's willing to give up their lives to manage you. Absolutely. And it made me think, because people do often say to me,

you know, what would you do if either of your kids decided that they wanted to go into showbiz? And I always say, like, you know, I'll let them do whatever they want. You know, it's their life. They can do whatever they want. But actually now I'm thinking, if one of them came to me and was like,

I really seriously want to do this right I think I would give everything up and dedicate all my time to not like pushing them like a stage mum but like being there as a source of support and also you know a warning to other people to time to fucking leave my kids alone I had no idea that you would say that that is unbelievable to me because actually weirdly at the weekend i listened to your mum's private passions on radio three with my mum and uh she talked a lot about her career and i thought god allison really had this huge career that if we talk about your childhood and we have you know obviously in our lives forever we've discussed it that was like right up there with the kids or and sometimes first you know she was away a lot and she was working in her career but she did build this huge brilliant career that

provided for you and alfie and sarah in lots of different ways of course and gave you a great life in lots of ways but i don't think alison's the kind of woman that would give it up to be your with you supporting the career that you had and definitely not your father so so do you think that you would do that in response to the parents that you were brought up with no no i don't think that i just think all the in response to what you went through as a pop star no not even that i think it's the looking at the landscape now and who is surviving and who is thriving and you know and i think all of those girls that I've mentioned Beyonce, Taylor, Dua, Billie, Ray, Rita have all you know hugely benefited from having that extra

support that sort of field of protection. I went to see Charli XCX play last night. That girl, woman, is absolutely incredible, I have to say. Is she? I just read a huge article with her yesterday. I've always sort of followed her career, and I've always admired her because she's just been so tenacious, and she has you know completely stuck to her guns she's never really veered that far away from her sort of like central message and her brand and her her sound and even on her last record I felt like this is great you

know she's getting her flowers but this time around it just seems to have reached a whole new level and I went to see her play last night and honestly I do not cry at concerts I cried no yeah I thought it was one of the most like confident beautiful simple profound sad like concerts I've ever seen I don't think I've ever really witnessed anything like it it was like really Beyonce level confidence but not choreographed it was just her on a stage really slick kind of production but also simple it was like sort of just backdrops with the brat which is the name of her album um and just really really cool lighting and her dancing but not in like I'm doing dance moves kind of a way it was like her style of dancing and it felt very um just instinctive yeah she didn't really talk in between any of the songs and i just thought she's just so in her having her fucking moment in the sun and like more power to

her i was just so happy for her it was just an utter joy to witness. But she said this thing. She went, she was like, oh, you know, guys, did you ever think we'd get here? And everyone started screaming. And then she went, because I did. Yes! And I was just like, yes, Charlie! She was, it was just like, yeah, you know it. And she really, it really feels like for over 10 years, at least, that she's really been just slogging it out. Well, I read this article in the New Review yesterday.

She looked so powerful and brilliant on the cover. And I actually haven't been that interested in Charlie XCX throughout her whole career. I've always been a bit confused by it. And reading this article, I was like, oh, shit. And actually, she's got her family. Her parents moved to London with her to help her do it didn't they and she started young really yeah she just has this conviction and it's

funny that you say that like you weren't really interested in that she thought she was a bit weird and I think that a lot of people felt like that but she would have felt that from people and the fact that she's gone like no I don't fucking care I am who I am and I'm going to stick to my guns and you guys are going to see it too at some point and people really have and it's really felt like that this is her time like she it just I just I'm just so happy I mean it looks fucking exhausting don't get me wrong like the amount of promo that she's doing and the amount of dancing and just moving and gigs and DJ gigs and you know amount of content that's being made is insane. She's 31, though. She's still got the energy, isn't she?

You go, girl. It is honestly like, you know, an ex-pop star. It's just a joy to watch people doing their thing. It's lovely to see you be inspired in this way. I am just loving all the girlies at the moment. Like her, Billie, I love. I love that record. Sabrina Carpenter, oh, my God. inspired in this way i am just loving all the girlies at the moment like her billy i love i love that record sabrina carpenter oh my god have you heard the please please please song no i know you want me to listen to it but i i think i hate it no you don't i texted you and i said listen to

this song and please just for me pretend that you like it because i know and i thought that was a really sweet request i need a friend to enjoy the Sabrina Carpenter-ness with me. I know, I can tell. Please, please, please. It's so good. And then she put her boyfriend in the video. Sexy. Yeah.

OK, can I just say, I kind of like it. It's very Dolly-coded. What do you mean by coded? Like, you know, it's got sort of this essence of Dolly Parton kind of like it it's very dolly coded what do you mean by coded like you know it's got sort of this essence of dolly parton kind of running through it really nice way to say that it's dolly coded i like that everything's coded babe that's so brat coded we're this living room is brat coded because charlie xcx's album is called brat and it's very much this color green so this this would be a brat coded room who else am i loving so sabrina billy

no let's go back to sabrina this to me is like your version your new version of like the keens and the snow patrols and the killers time no i think it's different i think that it's like because i'm not in it anymore i'm not you know when you're in or at least in the time that I came up it was very much like women were sort of pitted against each other and I didn't feel like there was space for me to love and support you know my contemporaries I felt like we we were very much like in competition with each other and it was all about winning and I feel like now that I'm out of it I can sit and I can look at it and I can just be like just proud and happy for them all I just feel I just want everyone to win oh Lily but the thing about them being supported by their families is like I want

people to win and I want them to be protected in the winning because I sometimes when I look at girls that are doing well I worry for them because I protected in the winning because I sometimes when I look at girls that are doing well I worry for them because I worry about the people that they're surrounded by well don't worry Sabrina's got Barry Keel her fit well actually I don't think he's that fit but I'm interested in his face did you see that

thing I thought it was really interesting well did you see that thing that was in the New York Times about the new obsession with rodent men no and it was like why do we all fancy these guys that look like tiny little mice so it's timothy barry keogh uh wait no it was too good it was too good the ginger guy from challengers which i totally get that new film hang on rodent men i can't believe i didn't say let's talk about this because i was like laughing giggling to myself i was like i fancy them all and it's really true oh yeah the guy

from the bear totally looks like a little mouse the lead guy yeah yeah jeremy thing me bob and josh o'connor total little mouse where did the hype of a hot rodent men come from i don't know but i i'm into it like i yeah snog them all mouse energy and matty healy right at the end there he was there last night of course because charlie's engaged to george from the 1975 i only found that out yesterday yeah so i we got there quite early because mom and nerd and um and we were on the vip balcony and there was like the who's who of New York. Oh, go on. It was me, obviously. Okay, so we'll start with me.

So I got there and Joe Keery was there, who is in Stranger Things with David. Okay. And so we had a nice chat and it was just us, you know, me, my two friends and him and his friend Jake that were there first. Then Lorde showed up. Oh my God. Julia Fox and all her gang showed up. Oh, yeah, because they're in the Charlie video. Then Emrata sat right behind me.

And then Mattie Healy and his girlfriend, Gabrielle. And then Jeremy O'Harris. It was just, you know, a who's who of New York. That's great, because that's who Charlie brings in. Because that's not just a load of influencers and celebrities. That's, like, writers and influences and celebrities that's like writers and musicians it's like creative people that are making up the scene i like that yes they were all very zeitgeisty except for me hey what are you talking about i was like it's me the ghost of

christmas past um i remember lily allen from 2009 miss Me's not doing for you over a meal what it was doing for me here in London. I have no idea. I don't really leave the house. You are quite zeitgeisty over here, actually. Why? Why do you say that? Because of Miss Me.

So people are constantly asking me questions about you and people are talking about you and your life and what you're up to and who you are. A lot of people are talking about who you are to me. Oh, yeah? What are they saying? I didn't know she was so, like, they saying? I didn't know she was so nice and I didn't know she was so funny

and I didn't know she was so articulate. I was like, I wonder why that is. I wonder why they would have got an idea that I was anything other than that. It's almost like there was some... Some sort of witch hunt. Some sort of narrative going on to suggest that I was something else.

I don't know why that would have happened. Well, there you go. That's the power of a podcast. Power of a podcast, babe. All right, let's have a break, Lily Allen. I'll see you in a minute. Let's have a break. Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet.

Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet. Visit Rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. So I was at a baby shower for Tyson. Yeah, Tyson is our family. She's my cousin, Mabel.

It's her older sister. She's a singer. Oh, boy, is she a singer. We call Mabel Beyonce, and Tyson's more like Solange. And she is having her first baby, and they had a difficult journey getting here. And it's a really celebrated pregnancy in the family. And she's having it with the most incredible boy called Selassie, who we all love.

So it was a particularly joyful day. And then just happened to be the vibiest baby shower I ever did visit. Wait a second, bit rude. Because you came to my baby showers. I'm just trying to think, which baby shower did I... I can't remember one of your baby showers. I know why you can't remember. No. I wouldn't get drunk at a baby shower. Do you want a bet? Do you want a bet? Do you want an actual bet? Tyson. Vibious baby shower. Like it was in Tottenham. I know. I saw some footage

on Instagram. I was like, whoa, it looks like a, I don't know, a wedding almost. It was just like a shub. It was like a little rave up. But it had all these lovely elements that are part of a baby shower. There was a quiz. Oh. I wasn't asked to do it, which I'm totally fine about. Tyson, totally fine about it, Selassie.

But this brilliant friend of theirs did it. I can't remember her name, but she was so good. And she did one round of baby bars where everyone had to go away for 10 minutes and write some bars for the baby so they were great because i was like oh god it's gonna be awful but actually it was really funny and really good and then we did a piñata which i didn't think was very baby showery and they spanned tyson around blindfolded her and then she had to try and hit the piñata. And then Selassie was like, actually, I'm worried about Tyson and the baby.

So then he sort of stepped in and put her down and put on the blindfold himself. It was very sweet. And then we just waved it up and then we did the candy. What's the candy? All right. Come on, Whitey. It's like candy.

You did the electric slide. I saw that. Is that what you call it the electric slide all right nan okay the electric slide i saw the videos and i thought electric slide look at them all having fun doing the electric slide enjoying the electric slide no it's the candy bro and the candy's the better the candy for people that don't know the candy or the electric slide you know it's a choreographed dance and it's one of those great choreographed dance that you're just meant to know and so it's a lovely thing and what happens is it just one person will start it usually starts with the song candy it's like candy and that beat but then you can do it to anything we did it to luther which was great and i only learned the candy last year so i

was a bit nervous um but i did it i did a little bit tiny bit um but it was great it was really interesting to be around so many of my friends and all their babies obviously you see them all on instagram but i'd say about 80 of the people that had kids and probably 80 of them are freelance and work in the creative industries. And a lot of them were bitching about childcare and maternity leave. And I, as a freelance person, and as someone that was brought up with a single mum, worry about that a lot.

If I was to have a kid, like how financially set up I'd have to be because it is shocking in this country. I think it's the most expensive child care in Europe in the UK when I'm you know like here now you know I have a nanny that helps in the afternoons and evenings but yeah you know if I'm touring or if I'm doing a play or something then I basically need sort of 24 hour cover because you know I'll be working like late into the night not starting work until the mid-afternoon and then obviously if I've been working late then I need to sleep and then if

I'm on tour and the kids are not on tour with me then of course they need 24 hour cover so I'd have had two nannies you know doing 12 hour shifts what the hell does that look like financially quite a lot a nightmare yeah I know a single mom who basically to get a job that would enable her to still look after her kids and take them to school and pick them up from school so we're saying like no no it was sort of 10 till 3 you can't really get a job with those hours that pays enough for the child care so she ended up staying on benefits like it's it's kind of like a weird catch-22 yeah no totally I mean I get that because when I was before I met David and I was in London like I was in a situation where I basically couldn't work because the money that I was making from work wouldn't be able to cover

the child care that I needed yeah it was sort of like a I'd this was like i felt snookered or like i was at a sort of stalemate you know i was stuck where i was which was basically at home not able to create and not able to tour and not able to do anything kelly said the same kelly who works for my mum kelly has a job to pay for child care that enables her to have a job if that makes sense so yeah it's it's like boom boom and right back to square one no one is evolving or growing i actually just spoke to i asked kelly to talk to a friend of hers in her like we've had kids group because i was like we're talking about maternity what can you tell me she said that in the last five years what they're trying to do is share it between paternity and maternity talking about how to make that a more realistic thing and kind of take away the idea that child care is all a mother because my friend tom matty was here

as well he's doing some building work and so everyone chimed in today at my house about this really got the room talking and he was saying that for the first three months his ex-girlfriend who he has two kids with she's a costume designer and she was on set on a film and he was looking after an eight month old and one and a half year old on his own for three months like i think that probably happens more than not the roles are shared in all these different ways but what the country provides doesn't really reflect that yes but in sweden you're laughing oh really do tell me because in sweden they pay around 33% tax. And everyone's very happy to pay that

because you're just looked after, whether it comes to having a baby or your health care. We need some more help with childcare so that women can get back to work and climb that ladder of power, please. Thank you very much. Actually, that's a good point. Because I was just saying to Kelly,

why do you think it is so difficult and it hasn't got better? And she was like, I have no idea, but maybe it's something to do with... The patriarchy? Yeah, of course. I mean, I just think that, like, because it's, you know,

having your children is a responsibility, right? If somebody, like, found out that, you know, there were, like, a five-year-old and a three-year-old that had been, like, left in a flat all day to fend for themselves, you're going be like where was their mother no one would be like where was their father for some reason it comes it's our responsibility to take care of the children like always and forever I saw Paloma Faith actually having an interview on something the other day I think it was with Lorraine and she was talking about how you know seemingly her and her ex-partner are co-parenting

the children and Paloma said you know I really hate that phrase co-parenting because it insinuates that it's like a 50-50 split and let's just be honest it isn't yeah society has these expectations of women that it's our job to look after the children yeah and I think that that's probably reflected in how much time men get off when a woman has had a baby versus how much time women get off of work when they've had a baby. I know dads that say,

I've got to babysit. And it's like, no, no, that's your child. No, no. It's funny because they'll say, I've got to babysit. And as a mum, if someone says, can we go for dinner? I'll say, I need to find cover.

I can't imagine like a dad saying, I need to find child cover because they'd be like, no, I've got to babysit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas, do you know what I mean? But also shout out to all the dads that are present, wicked and care. No, not shout out to them. Why not? Because why should they be congratulated?

Good point. We're not congratulated good point we're not congratulated i can't believe i just did that it's like that brilliant chris rock sketch which makes me laugh more than anything where he's like some guys be like i take care of my kids he goes you're supposed to you dumb fuck like oh yeah i take care of my kids good for you i'm not really about like congratulating men for like staying in once a week to look after their children that they made with their own sperm and also you know whatever actually when we were kids um you remember my abella that i grew up with she was and it was quite an anomaly she was raised by her dad her mother left and her dad was a single dad and um

my mom used to hate it at the school gates. She'd be there like knackered, doing no one would say anything. And every time John would bring a Bella, they'd be like, God, he is so, isn't he incredible? And my mum'd be like, why? Because he brought a Bella to school. Give me a break. I'm also here with all three of these kids.

So yeah, I think it's a state of mind and it's the way we think about things rather. I think that starts first. And then, you know, the country follows. The country follows the thoughts that me and Lily have. No. No. I have to go because my builder's here and if I don't get him to do this work on Moon Bar,

which is what I call my balcony, before I go away next week, I will be really pissed off with myself because I've been trying to get this done for a week. It's not even my builder, it's my friend Tom who happens to build. Have you met Tom? No, I've not met Tom.

Oh, it's good to have a good builder. It's good to have a good builder that you can rely on, you love, and who everything's a solution. I thought I was married to one for five years. It's good to have a builder who you love. I know it is! I fucked it up, okay?

I didn't mean it. How handy is David? Not handy at all. No, I don't get i'll put up a shelf for you i don't get that i think he can do it because he had an apartment in the city uh where he lived when he was doing you know broadway plays and off-broadway plays and he you know said that he built all of the like woodwork and the shelves and everything there i think he's capable i just don't think that he wants to do it. Yeah, because I'm saying that's not easy.

I've seen that place on Architectural Digest, thanks. No, no, no, not that one. It's the one before that one. Oh, okay. So it was like, if he did that building work, he's really quite skilled. Since he's made some money, he's not really in the woodshop so much, you know?

Well, don't worry. I'll bring the carpenter to the family. You need to go and speak to your builder and I need to have my botox topped up are you joking no i'm leaving for the summer babe i need to get rid of these wrinkles oh my god is this it because i'm kind of living for the summer i've still got four more days of serious work but then i'm going to antigua with my mom yeah i am leaving this evening to come to london and i'm going to gree And yeah, and I need to have my little face turned into a little top up.

Okay, so next week when we talk, I'll be in Antigua and you'll be in Greece. And I probably won't be able to frown as much. Next time you see me, I'll be... I'll be looking like Kris Jenner in Greece. Great. Can't wait. Bye. Bye.

Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds. Hi, guys. I'm Ryland, and this is How To Be In The Spotlight from BBC Sounds. It's the podcast where together we're going to hear what it's like to be thrust into the public eye by those who've lived to tell the tale. In this podcast, I'm going to be joined by 12 fantastic guests who are going to share how they've learned to navigate the perks, pressures and pitfalls of fame. People like Daisy Mae Cooper. I'm not good at anything else.

Like, it's either this or it's prison. Lee Francis. You know what? I drew a picture of Keith Lemon and a picture of Avid Merriam and framed them and put them up in the kitchen wall. And I said to Jill, one of them will buy us a house.

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