Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Flirting The Issue

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about flirting. What are their go to moves? Is it okay to flirt outside of a relationship? Do they like a direct flirter or someone a bit more subtle?Next week, we want to hear your questions about BEAUTY. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes.Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Listen Bitch contains strong language and very adult themes, but I think we can handle it. welcome to listen bitch lily allen how you feeling today i am feeling great i'm feeling fresh fine and flirty. Flirty, flirty, flirty. I'm gonna win a car, I'm gonna win a car.

Sexy, sexy, sexy. I'm gonna win a car, I'm gonna win a car. Sexy, sexy, sexy. I mean, she does say flirty, flirty, flirty. Flirty, flirty, flirty. Yeah.

And then you were just singing another song, which actually is a little bit more than flirting. She's extremely sexual. Girl, I want to make you sweat. Sweaty, you can't sweat no more. And if you cry,

I'm gonna push it, push it, push it some more. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, if you cry, I'm gonna push it, push it, push it some more. La la la la la la. Ah, we could do this all day. It's a bit rapey, isn't it? And if you cry, I'm gonna push it some more. Okay. Totally fucked up and I've always thought so. But great harmonies and

what a melody. Right, we're in the flirting space. I feel flirty, so does lily let's go country with us world are you with us how flirty you feeling let's have our first question for this week's listen bitch hey lilia makita it's steph here from bristol but i'm now living and calling from vienna on the topic of flirting i had a friend that always had a routine and we used to chronically take the piss out of him for every girl that he met there was a very specific routine

that he would always take them on to basically woo them and to flirt with them and it was cringy AF and I was just wondering if either of you guys had like a flirting routine of how you would entice the men in your life. Thanks so much. Love in the podcast.

Bye. I know yours. Do you know mine? No. Mine's pool. Yours is get naked in a bed. Shut up. Fuck off.

That is not mine. It might have been when I was like really young. Fuck off. Get naked in a bed. No. It was so successful where's Lil naked upstairs waiting for

oh okay that is lies that is lies no I asked Phoebe what do you mean you asked Phoebe double checked with someone we know

shut up this happened right she's like oh yeah swear to god that was Lily's MO. I was like, yeah, big time. Big time. Well, actually,

that song that I did is five o'clock in the morning. The conversation got boring. That song, when I listen to it now, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's literally about like

going upstairs at a party and then pretending to be asleep until said person comes to bed and then them like be asleep until said person comes to bed and then them like taking advantage of me being asleep i rest my case it was about one specific incident okay it was not my mo anyway you keep making up these whole all these mo's you're like yeah just take them into a room over other people's boyfriends i I'm actually not really into this. I'm not being characterised as like some homewrecker. I never said other people's boyfriends.

No way. Yes, you did. You absolutely did. Last week on Listen Bitch, when we were talking about the very famous A-lister in the south of France, you were like, well, it's kind of your MO at the time, to be honest.

Take other people's boyfriends into a room and like, what? Put my lips on them. I meant going into the room not the boyfriend part that isn't your mo and has not been ever and i know that okay it's been a couple of times uh just a few just a few no but i don't i don't i really like i have to also just say that like listen i'm a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, right? It's been nearly five years, five years next week that I've been sober. And I, you know, engaged in some pretty like self-destructive and toxic behavior when I was in active addiction. I'm not like make wise. Maybe I am making excuses, but I sort of feel like you don't need to explain.

I really don't need to explain that because I've changed. I've changed because I did not like the way that i was behaving but i'm really not like an advocate of like sleeping with other people's boyfriends or husbands and i would like for you to tell people that that is not what i'm like that's not what she's like because you know me listen i have friends in the past i would not leave a boyfriend in a room with you were not one of them okay okay there we go there we go and i think you know who i'm talking about i think you know who was so um we'll go to um my my routine which is pool i love playing pool but i think it's the sexiest game to play with someone that you fancy there's also a lot of i mean i actually don't like this part of it but there

is a lot of like you know sticks and balls going into holes wow it's the metaphors there is this kind of background element of like shooting into the sticks and balls and holes oh my god but that is not why i find paul sexy i just think it's nice to be engaged in something and have a little bit of a competitive energy between the two people like have you like in the back to black um film the amy winehouse film my favorite scene was when they played pool because they got it so right about what it's like to have one of those sexy days where you've met someone you're playing pool and you're flirting and it's back and forth and i was just like oh my god pool is like the greatest tool to flirting. Anytime someone says I have a date, what should I do?

I say go to the pub and play pool. Do not have dinner. Do not go to the cinema where you don't speak. Go to the pub and play pool. OK, that is a great that is my great advice for the world. See how lucky you get. I did have a boyfriend once who was very good at wooing me through text messages. And then when I got together with him I went to

his phone and saw that he used like verbatim exactly the same um lines on all of the other women that he was no because language and text the flirty language and text is like if it's so special when it feels like it's just about you two. I was really sad. Okay, there are our routines. My flirting thing is creating the environment for, is like foresight. Like I do like some forward planning. When I decide that I want someone, I do some planning.

It's very, very true. Foresight. It's to create the perfect environment in which the falling in love can happen and it's usually about presenting me in my best light okay do you mean actual light or metaphorically no it's like the person you know that we spoke about the famous person in japan i knew that like he would be like in Japan there'd be no English speaking people around I knew like what he was into like culturally so I made sure I had the Reebok classics and I had all this anyway so I like set this I knew how to bag that one with Sam my ex-husband like he

had you know been out of a relationship for a while and I suddenly started to see him like in a different light when he became single. And I remember I was playing the pyramid stage at Glastonbury and I was like, if I like get a helicopter, him and his mates. He's such a labyrinth. Get them all like, you know,

side of stage passes. There's no way that he's going to see me walking out on that stage, all those people screaming and not be like. And be like, I'm not into this into this you know what yeah whatever and we got together that night we went to see bruce springsteen together and then we snogged it was very sweet i remember it was a really beautiful glass for me you were very happy afterwards i wasn't there but um testament to um sam because some men actually would go this is all too much for me.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like pyramid stage. Yeah, but I knew him well enough to know that it wouldn't be. Deeply gassed. Yeah, big time. Okay. Let's move on.

Foresight. I'm taking that one. That's so good. Little bit of forward planning. And then attack. Okay, let's have another question. Come on, let's keep it rolling hi makita hi lily this is suze from north hampshire love you both love the pod i've got a question about

flirting um makita when we were in the cook islands in 2007 filming shipwrecked, you flirted with my now husband outrageously. And that caused a massive row. And I was wondering if either of you have ever flirted with someone intentionally to annoy their partner. Love you, girls. Oh, OK, good. So you do still love me. OK, good. OK. Do you know who that person is?

No. Well, were they both contestants on Shipwrecked? Because I... Well, they're still married, so the flirt was obviously not that great, but it did cause a rift. I'm sorry about that. Shipwrecked was obviously filmed in Timbuktu. It was like this island, the Cook Islands it was,

miles away from anything. And I would go and do the Shipw break behind the scenes special for T4. And you'd go to the bare island and be with them for like a week. So it must have occurred one of those trips. And I can't believe I had it in me to flirt. I was such a mess around that time. So I'm, am I sorry? Yes.

So she said, have you ever flirted with someone in front of their partner to annoy someone? To cause a rift. To cause a rift. So she must have been there. I promise you that probably was not my intention. I may not have cared. Yeah, if I'm honest, I may have just been like, he's fit and I'm leaving in three days. So I'm sorry. As a 22 year old, my intentions were somewhat awry. And I'm happy that you're married. somewhat awry and I'm happy that you're married. I've definitely flirted with other people to make my partner jealous and to cause a rift between us. Really?

Have you done that? Yeah. I would never do that. I'd be too scared. It says a lot about me in a relationship. Really? I mean, not like, you know, seriously, but like... Rile them up a bit.

You know, yeah, just like, look what you're missing. Don't be a dick. Actually, yes, no, I've done that. Yes, I've done that. but like rile them up a bit you know yeah just like look what you're missing don't be a dick actually yes no I've done that yes I've done that look how entertaining and wonderful everyone finds me

get to know yeah of course alright Lil let's take me out of my shame zone shame spiral

bad mistakes from the past why don't you ask the next question hi Lily and Makita it's Emma here in the Wire Forest. My question to you, I mean, Lily, you're married now.

Do you still flirt now you're married? And Makita, if you're in a relationship, do you still flirt? I've been married for 20 years and still flirt. She does flirt. Zeddy's licking her own pussy. It's flirty. She knows the theme. I'm not in a relationship and I find that when I am,

God, I guess I just feel so unsafe in my relationships that no, I try not to to do that. Do you still flirt with other people even though you're married? Yes, but I have permission to flirt. So it doesn't feel like I'm doing a disservice to my husband and he has permission to flirt, too. I feel pretty. I think we're human beings. And if we start saying don't flirt, I don't know. It's just like I think maybe

a good bit of healthy flirting is good for a relationship go out get a little bit of a hit because so much of it is about ego and validation it's not about I want to have sex with you

and I want to start a new relationship with you it's just like it's like a little hit and then you go back to your real lover still got it still got it

yeah you just need to know you still got it I get it wait doesn't she mean like flirting with your partner though? Oh, I thought she meant with others. No, I think she means like, do you still flirt with your partner even though you've been with him for a long time?

Oh, oh my God, I love that. Well, I would say that the next time I'm in a relationship, I will make space and time for us to go play pool often. So that would be our like date night and our time to really flirt but i think you've got to keep it flirty for sure my parents godfather and mum still flirt with each other a little bit and i leave the room oh erin and my mum flirt all the time that just means our parents are happy that's good how about you and david no we flirt we flirt we send like flirty messages.

That's sexy. Yeah. And that's nice to know. So you've been married fucking ages now, haven't you? Three years? Four years, I think, coming up. Yeah, things are good, actually, with me and my husband at the moment. We're pretty open and flirty and things are pretty, pretty good. And I suppose also you have something, you have a relationship that not all people will

have, which is, you know, you're away from each other quite a lot, working. David's away filming quite a lot. So I suppose all that kind of flirtiness through texting and stuff, it's important to keep yourselves connected in that way. Because when you don't see your partner a lot, or all the time, like a lot of other relationships... I don't know, actually, if it's good. I feel like absence makes the heart grow fonder.

And sometimes I feel like, you know, because we do FaceTime a lot, and sometimes it feels like it gets a little do FaceTime a lot and sometimes it feels like it gets a little bit too much and then we'll have like a couple of days a few days not talking at all and it's great when we get back on the phone with reinvigorates it yes exactly nice but you know if anything like important comes up or I'm not I'm I need some advice on something then yeah you know he's the first person I call. He's my partner, you know. Isn't he your second? Don't you call me first?

Yes, I call you first. Sorry, second person I call. That's all right. Thank you. Next question, please. Hi there. My name's Matt. I'm calling from Melbourne, Australia.

And my question is, do you prefer someone who is too heavy-handed with their flirting and very direct or low-key and a bit more shifty about it I'm more of a heavy-handed myself and I would love to know what you think thanks right it's time to talk about this oh my god I know I have to tell you about David first of all okay so we went on like I call it a couple of dates maybe yeah we'd been we'd been out for dinner a couple of times. And then the third time I went out with him, we went to the theater to go and see the Lehman Trilogy. And it's very long, like, play. Yeah, I've seen it.

It's in three parts. There's two intervals. And I think it was in the first, you know, bit of the play, the first third. He just, like, grabbed my hand and started the first, you know, bit of the play, the first third. He just like grabbed my hand and started like stroking, like almost like fucking it with his hand or something. It was the most intense thing. I was like, very English, like, oh my goodness, this person likes me.

They want to be intimate with me. And then he was like whispered in my ear like just as he could you know i guess that it was like obvious the first third was coming to a sort of crescendo he was like should we just get out of here oh my god david don't talk to me about whispering the ear it was really hard to get tickets to this play as well um and yeah and then we left and the rest was history oh right yeah i remember your courtship it was very intense i hadn't really had like that sort of like it's not very british is it like no third day just like literally just grabbed my hand and started like stroking me and

it was in an environment that it was like i couldn't like say anything i was like yeah that's fucking hot um yes well that leads me into uh bullshit british men like men don't even ask girls out like most girls i know that are dating or sleeping with someone at the moment they made the first move they text first they asked the guy it's like come the fuck on i feel like there is far too much reserve in the land of flirting in our great old town like let's buck up a bit shall we please heavy-handed flirting direct focus know what you want ask for what you want don't be a coward be brave be sexy ask people out i really think it would change our change the dynamics dynamics of the country um and i think i think it's sexy as hell. And I don't want to date Americans. So come on, English people.

Come on. Why don't you want to date Americans? I don't really fancy the accent. Oh, what am I talking about? As far from when, as I said, I like when they say Makeda. But I don't really fancy. When I was in New York, I was like, all right, let's do new vibes. And I just didn't fancy anyone in the entirety of New York in four days.

And it wasn't about face or it was more like a walk or a tour. I just love the way English boys chat. I don't like banter, but I like chat. You're right, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Don't say that to me and be on the bike and I'm like, let's get married. You're right, yeah. Oh, stop it. Like you me and be on the bike. And I'm like, let's get married. You're right, yeah. Oh, stop it. Like, you just, it's just different. Look at me, I'm like blushing and Lily said it.

I like you, you know, I like you. I knew there was something about you. I feel like I'm being hit on by Central Sea, which is a... If I got Riz, if I got Riz. Okay, I'm actually blushing hit on by Central Sea, which is a... Have I got Riz? Have I got Riz? OK, I'm actually rushing. Let's move on. I think it's time for a break. Oh, I agree. I agree. I'm done flirting with you.

Oh, but I love him. Should we go outside for a cigarette? Yeah, I'll come with you. Safe, safe. Have you got any, though? Because I ain't holding any. Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers internet.

Visit rogers.com for details. We got Visit Rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. Welcome back to Listen, Bitch. Listen, bitch. Come on, another question, please. Hi, Makita and Lily. My name's Kelly. I'm from Essex. My husband is in a local band and he's quite a good looking guy. So he gets quite a ladies or men flirt with them? And how did you navigate that? Or the other way around where you were with a partner who didn't like people flirting with you and was quite jealous? I'd just like to know. Thanks, bye.

I've had a bit of both. I've had a bit of both. I actually went out with someone on and off for about six years who was extremely handsome he was beautiful, wasn't he? I don't know who he was on and off with Okay, maybe not that beautiful for you Yes you do, who else have I been out with

on and off for six years? Who are you talking about? Luke Oh my god Kelly, Lily can't recall but he really was very beautiful. He would get a lot of attention from other people. And how did it make me feel?

Validated often. My boyfriend's very attractive. Lots of girls want to get with him. Okay, that's good. That's really good. But also I became obsessed actually in a very weird way with like how beautiful he was. And he became a sort of prize that i had to keep hold of rather than a person i was having an intimate proper sharing all your shit with relationship so it

kind of became it became a really difficult factor in our relationship his face i'm not even joking for a while it became the only reason i wanted him and um it was destructive so beauty can be quite difficult thing i got quite golem about it, I have to be honest. Like, mine, my beautiful thing. And it stopped us having an actual relationship. That's why I never really go for people that are, like, classically good looking. That's why all my boyfriends are so ugly. So you want to keep them feeling a little bit like they're, like, lucky to have you.

See, no, I can't do that because I'd rather feel like I was lucky no right could never be me I don't think I'm like a jealous person the only thing I might be jealous of or wary of is past partners not fresh meat but like something else that existed before me because obviously I know that like I'm the best thing out there but if they'd had like something to compare me to that they'd enjoyed like oh yeah I don't oh I'm so much more I'm so much more fearful of fresh meat than the past the past is like that's done now the new great moments happening with me but then oh god there might be great new moments all over the place no you know what I actually like not possessive over partners like that like I sort of

feel like if you want to do that then who am I to stop you it's like if that's how they want to grow if they think that's going to be growth for them then I wouldn't want to hold them back like yeah but you've got to remember what it's like when you're in love with someone and they're pulling away from you remember what that feels like. Yeah. But I think I do agree with you now. After doing a lot of therapy and going through a lot of shit in the last five years, I feel like I would only, like I've even had it with crushes recently where I'm like, I'm only interested in someone if they're like mad interested in me. If someone's not, what's the fucking point?

But in my 20s, I'd be like, you were interested in me. Now you're not. I'm going to spend the next five years getting you back interested in me now you're not i'm gonna spend the next five years getting back interested in me and you'd lose a lot of time yeah you do do that i did that a lot i was like best friends with um some boy that i sort of had a thing with for a month but i loved him so much and then he went away to paris and came back and he didn't love me anymore and i spent five years just trying to make him love me again to the point where i was like best friends with his sister like why do you think like Freddie and Marit were in my life like that was all because I was like in love with um lovely Nick who's so he's so beautiful and he's just a lovely friend of mine

now but I was so focused on getting that love back that attention back and it was such a such a waste of time yeah if you love him you let him go babe that's right that's right all right next question please this is actually getting quite deep hi both um hope you're both okay absolutely love the podcast i feel like it takes me back to being 22 in all my chaos but with rose tinted glasses on so question on flirting um i work in a very male orientated industry currently sat in a queue to get back into Silverstone circuit to de-rig the Grand Prix so work with about 60 men flirting I do a lot of it lots of banter lots of innuendo in my environment but also consider myself quite a feminist. Just wondering if you feel like flirting to kind of get what you want is a little bit anti-feminist,

or is it us using our power to manipulate the somewhat questionable intelligence of men? OK, love you guys. Bye. I think we can do whatever the fuck we want when it comes to flirting. If we're doing it for gain or we're doing it for enjoyment. I don't know. Also, I feel like people sometimes conflate just like female confidence with flirting. I don't necessarily think that like being loud or opinionated in the workplace and like communicating with people of the opposite gender or not even the opposite gender.

But, you know, it is necessarily flirting I think that flirting has like intent behind it and I feel like confidence is just confidence but I think other people can perceive your confidence as flirting I feel like people do that with me quite a lot I'm actually not flirting I'm just being myself yes it's not my fault for everyone it's not my fault that i'm attracting men like flies but i'm just being myself by the way i am also being sarcastic because i know that these things get like regurgitated and everyone just thinks i'm a horrible bitch i think it's okay lil i think it's okay you are actually like a multi-dimensional person it's okay to be all of these things and you are and we all are and as i said everyone

has these thoughts you just say them um annie mack told me something interesting about um female confidence she said she didn't interview when she was 26 and said you know i'm a confident person and for the next 15 years every interview she ever did they'd be like so you've said that you're a confident person like you like that was it you like yourself explain that with like, like, could you explain that? I think it makes people uncomfortable, men and women, when a woman is confident,

likes herself, has things to say. Yeah, I think that was like the main adjective used for me, apart from like pint-sized, potty mouth pop star, was like outspoken. A classic. It's like, I'm not outspoken,

I'm just speaking. What the hell is she doing she's speaking oh who is this young woman with confidence sharing her thoughts let's tear her down spokenness immediately let's put her in a fucking box but i love can i also just say love flirting. I think flirting is like a truly joyful moment of connection. And like, you know, when people talk about a spark, you know, a good flirt is like a spark between two people who've just met or are interested in each other, just kind of crystallizing and like growing

and just glowing and oh God, it's just, there's nothing better. Isn't that great when you're like flirting with someone for the first you don't even realize you're intentionally flirting and then you're just like oh my god we're flirting with each other with me and you're flying back is this on that's the moment that's the moment is this on yeah is this on i think this is on i think half of our 20s when you're running around you are that's something that you're sort of like hoping to find often that moment where you're like

is this on oh it is okay and then i just go up to their bedroom take all my clothes off wait for them pretend to be asleep is that what you did to my producer is that how you got my producer i actually did do that oh my god but he didn't take advantage of me in tech he didn't penetrate me he just wanked on the small of my back oh well i didn't know you were gonna add that i didn't know whether you were gonna add that that's been between us for so long and now we didn't even go to like third layer of friendship group. Just miss me. All right. We also know that he listens to the podcast now. And he's with his kids.

Miss me? Miss me? Eh? Do you miss this shit? Okay. Let's all just calm down. Okay. Let's have another question.

Wank in the small of my back. He did wank in the small of your back. Let's have the last question because i'm all hot i'm feeling all hot hi lily makita i hope you're both very very well love the podcast absolutely stunning um ben here uh located in bow um my question to you is when does flirting go too far when does it get to the point that you've gone, oh, God, actually, is this making things quite uncomfortable for people around me? When I say that, I'm referring to maybe when you're flirting with friends

or friends of friends and it suddenly gets to the point you're like, oh, is this a bit too sexual now? Have I taken this too far? Interested to hear your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I was always really... I remember there was a friend of ours and she had a boyfriend that was very handsome.

And I remember making sure I was very careful every time I spoke to him. I was really like, not too long eye contact. Don't look at him. Just don't look at him. Because I did, you know, I did do something terrible when I was younger and started dating someone a few weeks after they broke up with my friend.

And so I think I was always very, after that, I always felt like I just needed to be very careful because I didn't want to move like that. You know what I'm saying? But you need to be respectful. Also, I have a lot of friends who have really beautiful, fit boyfriends and I just love that they've got these lovely, beautiful men. But I would, you know, that's where I draw the line.

Gosh, you're so great. Why are you going to say the total opposite? What, do I think that's like when flirting goes too far? Yeah. As a spectator, yes. Like, it's just when people are just being a bit gross. It's like, all right, we get it. You fancy each other.

Oh, like snogging in the pub and stuff? No, not so much that. More just like, there are certain people that I've seen that, yeah, it's just like, all right, we get it, drop it. Well, when I talked to some friends about what they've noticed in your flirting, something that came up often was a laser- Yeah, laser-focused and a shift in energy. Because I was like, does Lily get quite giggly?

And they were like, no, it's more like laser-focused shift in energy. So, because I was like, does Lily get quite giggly? And they were like, no, it's more like laser focused shift in energy. And I sort of know, like if we're in a room and there's like six of us and there was someone you fancied, I'd know because your focus would be very much on them

and not at all on anything else. You do get quite laser about it, but maybe that's just a bit of ADHD. Just can't think of anything else. I'm like, I fancy you. Validation. I need validation. I need validation.

Hello. Reciprocate. Reciprocate. I feel like I don't flirt. I'm basing this mainly on Westbourne Studios in our 20s, yes. Who did I flirt with then? Anyone around the pool table, around the bar.

I feel like that was a really flirty time for you and I was very much into it. You were suddenly quite free and sexy. I think you're confusing flirting with like knowing who had the drugs.

They're two very different things wow flirting you dangerous bitch so thank you world it was lovely to talk about flirting I feel like I've never revealed more about myself my inner self and actually really enjoyed being hit on

by you Lil thanks one more time it's been real it's been real nice getting to know you like maybe we could do this again sometime like next week yeah yes please i'll see you next wednesday yeah i'll see you next wednesday babes yeah that was nice or is it thursday i think it's thursday yeah i'll see you next thursday anyway stop dilly dallying around the fact that it's uh you know it's your turn for a listen bitch theme and I don't want you to feel this like

immense pressure I want you to have fun with this have fun what do you actually want to talk to the world about that's all you've got to think about what do I want to talk to the world about yeah next week's subject is Lily Allen Lily Allen we will we'll get there

in about six weeks and we're really running out of ideas we'll just be like Lily Allen! Lily Allen! We will. We'll get there in about six weeks and we're really running out of ideas. We'll just be like, Lily Allen. Actually, we... No, do you know what? Flossie from the team said that someone sent in an idea. Shall we see if it's all right?

Let's hear it. Let's judge. All right, let's judge it. What is it? Hi, Lily and Makita. It's Ellen in Glasgow here. Loving the show. Love the podcast.

I would like to suggest a topic for discussion. I know you've got a list, but hopefully you're open to suggestions. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on beauty. In last week's episode, when you were talking about revenge, it really struck me when Lily was talking about the beautiful older person and their boyfriend obviously dying to know who that is we'll never find out but you refer to the fact that there was no way anything would happen because she was really more beautiful than you and you were puffy at the time and i just thought come on as if it's on face value sex appeal and

chemistry has got so much more to do with it than uh than sort of beauty but from the chat on your podcast i feel like both of you understandably the the industry you're in there's a lot of focus on a beauty stereotype and i'd like to think we're moving away from that now i'm a i'm a woman of the same generation as you and yeah it feels like there's hopefully a bit of a shift away from beauty cliches. But when I listen to you speak, I feel like you're very, you're kind of stuck in them. So I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that. Maybe we are a bit stuck in them, Lil.

Should we take this and delve further? Okay, we will take it, but I will also just expand. The thing is, I guess like in the beginning of my career, and I have been like a public figure since I was 20 or whatever and people referred to my lack of beauty quite a lot and I was referred to you know but being like a normal girl next dory what has revealed itself is that I was just looking at the wrong end of my body face to feet right we will take it then Ellen look how much she's perked up let's do that then we'll take it that's really nice of you because it's literally not getting her shit together fuck you I did have some backups I just

I'm not sure that they're great but I think beauty is really good so we'll take it we'll take it and you need to have more confidence in your listen Bitch themes, okay? They're gonna be great. Everything you do is great. I'm more upset that one of our listeners thinks that we're like superficial in that sense. I know, that's why we've got to do this, because you've got to be joking. And I totally understand what you're saying about being told about the way you look from a

very young age by press and stuff. So let's do this! We will see you for next week's Listen Bitch. The theme is from Ellen. Beauty. Beauty. Please send your questions to 08000. 08000.

30, 40, 90. Keep them succinct. Keep them short and sweet, but with a little bit of story, but with a big question at the end. OK? Thank you. Can't wait to hear what we'll discuss about beauty

I promise you we're not superficial bitches we've been through things we know shit keep it rooty talk about beauty alright I gots to go she's rhyming shut up keep it rooty talk about beauty let's get fruity

that's better that's good alright go get in that pool for me have fun love you bye bye

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