Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! I Feel Pretty?

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about beauty. What do they think their most beautiful attributes are? Have they ever conformed to beauty standards? What unconventional features do they find beautiful?Next week, we want to hear your questions about BEG FRIENDS. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes.Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This week's Miss Me contains very strong language and some adult themes. But we'll be with you every step of the way. Okay, it's that time of the week. Ding, ding, ding, ding. The theme is beauty. I feel pretty. I'm so pretty. I don't really, I don't really know whether I would call myself

so pretty. I don't really, I don't really know whether I would call myself pretty. Oh God, this is going to be hard today. God. Give it a rest.

Oh my God. I actually can't, I actually cannot. How is that, give it a rest? Well, just because like, all through our like,

growing up, it was obvious, Makita's extraordinarily beautiful. Like, I'm not having that. Like, I don't,

I don't think I call myself pretty. I just leave it to everyone else. And then I had 10 to 15 years of going, what happened to Makita? So give me a break, okay? I very much lost my connection to my own beauty for a very long time. And actually, you know what? We'll go into it. We'll go into it.'ll go into it we've set the scene we're going to talk honestly about beauty today let's have our first question hi lily and makita it's jenny from cambridge again um and i want to ask what you think the most beautiful thing about yourselves are um when you ask people questions about themselves that are positive quite often it makes people feel quite

uncomfortable I understand where it comes from um but I think that we should not feel uncomfortable calling out the amazing beautiful things about ourselves so hopefully it doesn't make you to feel uncomfortable but what's the most beautiful thing about you does it make you feel uncomfortable yes yeah why is that because I feel giggly and embarrassed too and I don't know why because I'm a bloody beautiful person the most beautiful thing about me okay I think it is I can really sense people's energy and I know how to look after it quite well which is why I think I'm a good interviewer and I've been good at my job all my life because that's what kind of what TV presenting. Really sorry. Just my husband.

Hi. Oh my God. I'm just recording the podcast. And we're getting a bit deep. Are you all right? Yeah. Do you think I'm beautiful? Yeah.

Is this an intense podcast though? You seem like a little intense. We're talking about beauty today. So, yeah, I have complicated feelings around it. Puts you up? Okay. I think you're beautiful, yes. Do you think you're beautiful?

Well, that's exactly what the question that is being posed to me right now is. Well, then I understand that your response might be a little intense. I think you have real struggles with that. Yeah, I have struggles with it. Okay. What do you think the most beautiful thing about me is? Physically or emotionally or mentally or spiritually? She didn't specify.

The most beautiful thing about you then is your commitment to others like your commitment to expressing something that makes people feel less alone that brings people together it's in your music it's in this podcast um that ideology that spirit in you is the most beautiful thing about you that spirit in you is the most beautiful thing about you i love you i love you too okay bye bye that was so nice oh god that must be really really nice it is nice he is my little cheerleader i do love him for that thanks david god he really knocked that one out of the park for us. Thank you. You asked me and Lily a question but Lily's husband answered and I guess my point was yeah

the work on my soul and the way I look after other people I guess what David said about you that makes me feel beautiful. It does. Do good as they say in Rastafarianism. Do good. What do I think is the most beautiful thing about myself? Oh I'm just so full of

self-hatred. I find it so hard. I'd just be, like, making up some bullshit if I said it. I just don't. Do you think you're a good friend? Yeah. I think I'm good in a crisis, but I wouldn't say that that is necessarily something that's beautiful. I would say that you used to be really good in a crisis, but you're much more just there all the time now and it is beautiful

you're a real bloody support system in my life actually so please know that and stay strong for me keep holding me up i need you okay what it's worth i think you've got really great legs oh my god thank you i do i do have great legs i have great legs yeah and i think you have really beautiful eyes i do i've always thought that that's the kind better at doing it to each other there you go god i'm gonna really figure this out though, Jenny. Thanks for asking. Thanks for pushing us a little further than we wanted to be pushed. It's important. Let's keep pushing ourselves today. Why don't you ask the other question, babe?

I'll have another question, please. Hi, Lily. Hi, Makita. It's Georgia calling from Hull in Yorkshire. My question on beauty. So throughout my teenage years and adulthood, I've been told I am unconventionally attractive and various other backhanded compliments. I've always struggled with my perception of myself. I've never liked how I look. And I feel sometimes a pressure to conform to social social norms and like the standard of beauty I worry

that like my partner wants to be with somebody who looks different to me I just wondered um if you had had that pressure and especially being in the media have you felt a pressure to conform to like the beauty standard and trends and things like that or have you kind of moved away from that and what have you done to kind of reject beauty standards and have your own kind of image thank you love you bye thank you darling I I found that um when I was a kid people would say like you know she's gonna be so pretty when she grows up or know, my mum would tell me that I was beautiful. So I found it really shocking, actually, when I became successful and, you know, was written about, my photographs were taken,

about how derogatory people could be about the way that I looked. And I think it actually harks back to the previous question a little bit, is that I feel like the reason I can't tell you what I think is beautiful about myself is because I've had to completely dissociate from having thoughts about it. Because it's the way that I've had to cope with it, had to protect myself. You know, reading the horrible things that people have said about not just my appearance, but my character. There's like a running commentary on how awful I am all the time and so I yeah and the way I deal with it is just to like detach that's so upsetting to know Lil that really is because why wouldn't you after 20 years of having things like sort of language

thrown at you to describe you after a while you would i don't think you believe it but i think you're just downtrodden by it yeah i'd say so yeah but what about when um you know there was a time when most men in the country fancied lily allen i don't know if that's true it's so true i remember that and people always say to me that they grew up fancying you like that it's there was a duality because there was this vileness but also there were I knew so many men that found you attractive and wanted to sleep with you yeah I don't know I feel I feel sort of okay I try to try not to think about it that much I mean actually that's a lie because I just constantly think about what surgery I can get done to make improve the

way that I look um but we're not touching our faces can I just say this lady that um that gave us the question thank you she uh was saying to uh live up to social norms that is a fucking nightmare in today's world our social norms when we were young was like Cheryl Cole pretty beautiful brunette girl with a great natural face. Now, there is a particular face that says, I mean, I'm not quite sure when or who said that the only beautiful face was big pouty lips and puppy dog eyes and a straight nose. Imagine if everyone had that face. But we don't need to imagine it because that is the world we live in.

So this one particular idea of beauty, I think, is fucking ludicrous. There is not only one way to be beautiful. And please, I hope that you're not using that example as an idea of beauty i think is fucking ludicrous that's not there is not only one way to be beautiful and please i hope that you're not using that example as an idea of beauty because it just isn't so please don't touch your face lil okay i'll think about it think about what not doing it i'll think about what surgery to get both it can go in my pile of things to think about face lift neck lift nothing yes i can mull them all over i i've mentioned before that i was called your big fat um bridesmaid after your wedding and i remember that was a period of i think after that i decided like right i've got to sort this out like i've got to lose some weight i've got to sort the way i look out because they keep coming for me and telling me i look dirty and fat so I must I have to clean up I have to

clean up this dirt and I have to lose this weight and I uh I think I you know try at 22 tried my best to like have a healthy few months but I trained really hard I went to start going to the gym and I lost a bit of weight and I thought I looked really good and I had to go host V festival and they just said it again they said Lily Allen with her chubby mate McKee saw all of her and I thought I looked really good and I had to go host V Festival and they just said it again. They said Lily Allen with her chubby mate, McKee's Oliver. And I was like, oh, for fuck's sake, I just lost a stone. And I remember thinking,

I read it the next day and thinking, oh, I give up. And I think I actually, after that, got a lot bigger and a lot dirtier and started not looking after myself. It started to really affect the way I looked after myself. I didn't think it was worth trying anymore,

so I went deep the other way. Yeah, that's how much, like, the idea of yourself, you can sort of, it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, 100% agree with that. It's always good to go back to your soul and who you really are. I will say that society doesn't necessarily reward you for that, though. It's like, it is difficult to keep reminding yourself that that is what is important and that is what matters when we spend so much of our time on our phones which

you know basically marks you on your attractiveness I mean that's what a picture is everyone wants to be seen in their best light and everyone yes yeah it's i did think that the other day it's like you can't even be like a school teacher and not be attractive now like if you're a school teacher you're putting your own scope you will still be like slightly posing and wanting to look attractive like it's a it's the biggest currency in the world and it always has been but it's kind of gone into overload um one thing i would say is why don't people understand that when you work on your insides it does literally manifest into the way you look outside i wanted five years ago to change my hair and lose weight and i it made me feel a lot more attractive plaiting my hair back

to when i was the hairstyle i had when i was 10 and i lost a lot of weight and i was active but really i started to feel more beautiful when i thought about who I was and how I treated people and that is actually the truth and the way I am in the world so I think honestly it like makes you beautiful to work on your soul it just does yay that's why we both look so good we've done so much soul work all right let's have another question hello Lily and Makita my name is melissa i live in manchester and listen to your show every every time it comes out love the debate and conversation that it sparks and this is a question around beauty so loads of publications this summer have said that there is the rise of the rat man or the rodent look

where we're stepping away from some of those conventional beauty standards. What I wanted to ask was what feature in a person do you find beautiful and are you attracted to that isn't deemed conventionally attractive? So, for example, a big nose. Me personally, I really can't stand when somebody is too muscular. I prefer a bit of a dad bod and a little bit of a belly. Love you both. Bye. Lily, what are you? I like beard and back hair.

Wait, beard and back hair is a preference for you. Okay, this is a very nice adult answer, which is kindness. Oh. The way... Everyone likes kindness, so it has to be something unconventional. Oh, yes, but it is unconventional

because women aren't looking for kindness in men unless they've done some serious work on themselves like me you know all that bullshit about i like a bad boy it's like that's that's not women looking for a kind man that's a dickhead so kind of sure and i really like big ears oh yeah big ears are cute and cute remember alexi my primary school boyfriend he had big ears, you know, a slightly gormless looking man as well. Oh God, yeah. Like a bit thick, like sort of just like needs some help. Yeah, yeah. Needs some guidance.

Lost and vulnerable. No, but also, I also like dependable. So it's difficult, isn't it? But I would weirdly, I kind of see both those things in your husband. Kind of like, I need you, I'm lost, but you can depend on me. Do you know who my ideal man is? difficult isn't it but I would weirdly I kind of see both those things in your husband that kind of like I need you I'm lost but you can depend on do you know who my ideal man is I don't even know if you're going to know who he is I have no idea I'd know this because when I was just on holiday me and my girlfriends were sitting around the pool and they were like who's your dream man

Mandy Patinkin from Yentl I love him so much I especially loved him in um i was gonna say if you haven't seen him in yentl you might have seen him in homeland homeland yes a dependable daddy do you know what i mean though fit no what not for me my um ideal man is Jeremy Irons. Okay. Fit. Knows how to dress. Good actor. Who else is my dream man who maybe is a bit unconventional?

Kevin Costner. Hot. Oh my God. Really? I mean, maybe in the bodyguard. That was quite interesting for me because it was like an interracial relationship on a big screen and i was like this is hot into this whitney and kevin costner okay i'll give you kevin costner in the bodyguard wait i have one more i have a whole list of them because we were talking about it on a holiday are you going to your list of unconventional no it's not

unconventional but like we were just talking about people that were fit or not. And yeah, Mandy. Go on, I'll keep mine secret. You give me two more. I can't find them. It's too far back in the chat. Chat with who? My other friends.

Like a group situation? Yeah, group chat. Like a group? The group chat is called Queens of Banff. Eek, that's why I'm not fucking in it. You know I wouldn't accept that group request. But yeah, I'm really, I'm feeling the rodent man thing. As I said in a previous episode,

I really fancy all the guys in it, in the gang. You do? Really do fancy Jeremy Allen White quite a lot. And I don't fancy Barry Keogh, but I bet you do. Not for me. Absolutely not for me, Jeremy Allen White. But Barry. And I don't fancy Barry Keogh, but I bet you do. Not for me. Absolutely not for me, Jeremy Allen White. But Barry for you. No way!

Ew! Okay, so who out of the road? Any out of the road of men? Timothee Chalamet? No, they're all not giving. Yeah, this is my vibe, not yours. There's no kind of hairy back. No, I need like a dependable bear.

A big bear of a man. Dependable bear. I get it. All right, let's have another question for this week's Listen... Listen... Hello, Miki, Tom, Lily. This is Diego from Mexico City. And I wanted to hear your opinion because I grew up a chubby kid, very fat teenager. And it was only when I turned 23 that I determined myself,

I lost weight and I got in shape. And now I'm 36 and not to toot my own horn, but I'm at my best shape ever. And I really noticed how in this process, people started treating me very differently. And it's bittersweet because on one hand, I like well that's great I get I get better treatment and I get like priority sometimes I get definitely more attention if you need anything you know that people will look at you first but it's also bitter because I'm like no wait I'm the same person and that chubby kid also deserved really good treatment so how do you negotiate being so pretty and getting all these perks thank you love your podcast thank you diego from mexico city i am so happy we've traveled so far i'm maybe very

excited it's pretty cool isn't it mexico city is amazing have you ever been to mexico city no not mexico city i've been to mexico we needed to go there together we were actually going to go there together. We were actually going to go there to see someone in a band play earlier this year, but we decided not to. Oh, yeah. What was the actual question, though? How do you negotiate people treating you better when you look better? I don't negotiate. I find that a really difficult thing, because when I lost Otaway, my career came back.

I was also very focused, but it was a huge part of it. And I have really confused emotions about that because I've never been less good at my job. But I lost a lot of opportunities because of the way I was looking. And when I sorted out the way I looked, i.e. lost a lot of weight, the opportunities came knocking again. And that you just can't deny. But I understand the currency of my industry. So I wasn't that surprised.

Kind of one of the reasons I wanted to get in shape. But it's of course a bit depressing. That I think if I was still three stone heavier. I probably wouldn't be working. I feel like in a pretty good place with my sort of health and fitness. And I, although in the last sort of six weeks since I left America I haven't worked out once but I do know that like in my career early days of my career there was a point of time in time when I lost a load of weight I think it was like 2009

2010 yeah and I was miserable uh-huh I would go to sleep for like three or four days at a time and not eat. And I was utterly miserable. But then I would go to events and people would say, you look amazing. You never look better. I remember the shine that was thrown upon you at this time. Everything went up a level. Yeah. And it's horrible that we place so much value on it.

But, you know, as you just said, it's undeniable. Like, just is what it is. Yeah. We'll be back with more questions after this short break. Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet. Visit Rogers.com for details.

We got you. Rogers. Welcome back to Listen Bitch. Let's have a question. Hello, lily and makita huge fan of your shows this is annabelle from amsterdam originally from paris uh i'm just gonna cut straight to the point what is your opinion on hairy arms for uh girls i know it's a bit of a weird question. But I and a lot of other girls who have Hispanic or Portuguese origins have unfortunately had to experience a lot of bullying at school when we were kids. I know that I was extremely bullied, which meant that I didn't feel comfortable showing my arms until actually very recently. And yeah, it just led to doing some pretty extreme things like shaving your arms or getting them colored. And I've always wondered why hair is so linked to beauty.

And we talk about how having a lot of hair means, you know, you're beautiful, you're in good health. Hair means, you know, you're beautiful, you're in good health. But when it comes to having hairy arms, as well as hairy legs, as a woman, it's often considered to be gross. Curious to know your thoughts. I totally understand because I have a lot of friends with long, thick, black hair as well. And for them, waxing is a hellish experience because the hair is stronger and tougher. But I shaved my arms. We've discussed this weirdly. I shaved my arms when I was a child

and now I have hairy arms and I wasn't going to in life, but I gave them to myself. I always wondered why I did that, but I always wonder why it does seem so disgusting to have hairy arms as a woman. I don't mind it now. I think Lily did the same and has hairy arms for the same reason.

I have hairy legs. I shaved my legs way too early. That was it. And now... I do have hairy arms, but it's not because of shaving. I think it's that, you know, what she's talking about, this sort of slightly Hispanic-y gene that I have quite far back in my... Ancestry.

Ancestry. Yeah. i don't really mind my hairy arms i've got a couple of really hairy moles and i quite like them sometimes i sometimes i like trim the hairs and i've i get a bit sad for them i feel like they they look better with the hairs coming out of them with their little with their little beards with the hairs coming out of them. With their little wispy... With their little beards. With their little beards. I was going to do what Kim Kardashian did and she's just... From toe to eyebrow, I think, just everything.

She got everything taken off, everything lasered. And I wish I could say, oh God, whatever. I don't mind being hairy, but I wax and I shave and I am going to start the lasering process. And it's, yeah, I was talking to Lily this week

about the fact that I haven't had a grooming day in quite a while. And it's a fucking long ting being a woman. Like I have to get my eyebrows done, sort my mustache out, shave my legs, get a bikini wax. It's quite nice, the ritual of it all though I think I quite like doing all those things I don't like it I find it exhausting but I also really enjoy in the winter months just letting it all all go I think I never do that see I I do I just oh gosh the idea

of like it's very cold in New York as well like i need that little extra layer of hair on my legs thank you very much little hairy furry layer how's david with that i mean fine we haven't really discussed it oh god you've got such a laid-back husband i don't think he really cares that much i had a boyfriend that was like you have to take all the hair off when you get bikini wax and i was like no i like to have a strip he's like no all of it I hope you told him to go fuck himself I would have no I did it and loved it and now I always have a Hollywood like if you're not going Hollywood and you're doing like a strip that's what seems like you know like when I find like like boys that spend too much time like looking in the mirror and doing their hair really on like quite unattractive I think I sort of feel the same way about my vagina it's like how would you decide what haircut to give it

if you were to give if you're not taking everything off then like what what are you doing there it's like I like it with a short back and sides like what no but they call it a landing strip. Yeah, but how long is it? How wide is it? What's the, like, angle of the thing? Like, it kind of seems a bit silly, really. Like manicured hairdo on your vagina. Yeah. It's got a punk aesthetic. Do you think that if you didn't wax now,

a boy would be horrified to have sex with you? No, because I've had boyfriends, you know, in the not so recent past that were fine with it. Really? I've never had that. The thing is, is that my hair down there is very tough and strong. And once it gets past a certain point, it's like, I really don't want to go because it's going to hurt. And it just gets worse and worse and worse. And so, yeah, sometimes I just sort of resign myself to the fact that that's how it is.

And then usually it's a holiday that prompts me to go and get it done. Sure, but it does feel like that little special place down there could do with a little jacket sometimes. Yeah, definitely needs a coat in the winter, for sure. A Max Mara fur coat, yes? That's what you give it. Double ply cashmere. OK, next question, please.

This is silly. OK, next question. This is silly. Hi, Lillian Makita. Teresa here from South East London. Love the podcast. So my question is about beauty. I'm a lash artist.

Actually, I do Lily's lashes when she's in London um my question is about makeup so a lot of times people say that makeup they don't feel themselves without makeup they feel more confident with makeup but at the same time a lot of my clients will say when they've had their lashes done they wear far less makeup if any but yet they get lots of compliments on their skin. So my question is, how can we detach that sense of feeling more beautiful with makeup and just have that confidence within ourselves? Love you. Bye. That's my lash lady, Teresa. I can highly recommend everybody. And this is extension eyelashes. I have my eyelash extensions done yeah i've never tried it i love it i don't really wear makeup in the day like i don't really know how to do my own makeup

i find the whole thing quite intimidating i also have quite enlarged pores so just putting stuff on my face like i feel like suffocated by makeup so i wear makeup for work purposes but in the daytime i will never really wear makeup ever you have a lot of good creams you do you're quite creamy i know it's annoying because makita had to bring my creams back from america so she knows exactly what what my little concoction is also the energy around it it's quite a few texts like i thought you'd be like how's it going you're like so the cream yeah it's like oh for fuck's sake yes you'd be like how's it going you're like so the cream yeah it's like oh for fuck's sake yes the cream is in my bag it was a bag of creams that cost quite a lot of money and i was terrified to travel it wasn't just the creams it was my whole

routine so it was the two cleansers the night time and the morning one my masks my moisturizers the two serums that i use yeah Yeah, you have quite a routine. You really do. My routine is cocoa butter. On your face? Yeah. Mad ting. It's such a white thing, by the way,

to think that kind of oils and things like cocoa butter are too heavy for the face. I know white skin can't take it as much, but oil for your face is so good. Like, I use so many different oils. Oh, no. Well, I think that's just like the difference between black and white skin because I

couldn't put oil on my skin, on my face. I couldn't put like a thick moisturize like that on my skin. It would just break. I would break out. But yeah, makeup is interesting. I,

it's funny, isn't it? Cause you can have like, I can sort of see it happening with my kids now as well. Like, do you remember when we were, when we were young, we were teenagers,

like you'd start wearing a bit of eyeliner and then like fast forward two years later. And it's actually insane what we did to our face. Like you didn't realize that day by day, you'd just be putting more and more and more on until you looked like, I don't know, like someone out of like a Mad Max film or something. But makeup was quite important around 15.

Like that was how we had fun. We went to the body shop and got eyeliner pencils. It's a rite of passage for sure. But like eye makeup, fake tan, like, yeah. No. Kids and fake tan. This makes me chuckle quite a lot. But actually what we did glean from that

is neither me or Lily can do our own makeup. I do not know how to put makeup on. I really't not even barely i can do mascara yeah i can do mascara and actually i am quite good at doing a winged eyeliner it's more that i think actually maybe since um you know video content and social media it's made me feel more intimidated by it because there's so many there's so much stuff about contouring and all these different products, like primers and then setting spray. What are you talking about? I don't know what any of this stuff is or does.

I just know that if I put it anywhere near my face, it would be a disaster. Do people still contour? Is that the thing? I remember when that was around. Yeah, contouring. Who can be fucking bothered to contour? And now people do like mad shit,

like paint their whole face red before they start their makeup and then put the foundation. And also I can't tell what is real and what is just being done for content's sake. Yes, I think that those lines are blurred in general in life. Yes, generally.

That's a bigger conversation. That's not just a beauty theme. Let's have the last question for this week's a bit all over the place we know it we're aware of it too listen bitch hey makita hey lily this is sarah calling um originally from southport near liverpool but live in melbourne now uh just wanted to ask you about beauty. I love the fact that Facebook now tells you what you were doing 10 years ago and at the time I thought I would look fat and ugly and now in my 30s I think wow I wish I looked like that now and I appreciate my beauty now. I'm just wondering if you could go back to your younger self and tell yourself you look

beautiful would you all right love the podcast bye hmm if I could go back to my younger self and say you look beautiful would I yeah I mean there's nothing to be lost by doing that what year would you look at and go yeah you look good because I have a whole part of my 20s where I'm sorry I just could not apply that sentence to myself I'm sorry but I go like right back to the beginning of my 20s like when I first started doing like promotion for my work really because I saw a picture of you the other day in that time and you are such a baby I know like like not a grown-up it was kind of crazy I know but you know that was like the sort of tagline was like well hey like a normal looking person has arrived in the pop scene and

it was just like a bit hurtful it was also just weird because like I hadn't really considered that so much of my time was going to be spent having my photograph taken and that I would have to spend so much time in hair and makeup like I sat down to write songs and I put all my energy into writing things and trying to get my point across and I was like why am why is like eight hours of my working day like yeah in hair and makeup and being photographed so that people can tell me how normal I look. It just was so weird. It was like, can we just talk about my music that I've made that everyone is listening to?

Like, it just was odd. I think because we were so young as well, because we were like just teenagers or just out being teenagers when you blew up. I think you sort of have not the biggest idea of how you look. You're still forming it. So then to be told, by the way, this is what you look like. You're like, oh, okay, I didn't know that. I didn't realize that. So I think that can be quite discombobulating, Shmoop.

Yeah. And also coming off the back of like mum telling me that I was like most beautiful little girl in the world. Like I'd not, you know, I'd had a couple of boyfriends that, you know, I thought I was hot I just didn't had hadn't really considered how normal looking I was until I was like plastered all over the national newspapers 2009 though wow you looked amazing I still do that was amazing you do look great but like at that time you seemed quite like you stepped into a different part of your beauty.

I think we probably both turned about 25. Listen, don't get it twisted. Right. I'll tell you what it was. Money. OK, like I had come off the back of this. My second it was my second album. My record company were pummeling a whole load more money into my, you know, glam.

I was being sent like the best clothes in the world and the handbags and the heels and everything else um so don't you know it wasn't that I was like really happy because I was not and I wasn't like exuding anybody I just looked expensive because I was expensive yeah the Chanel years face of chanel face of chanel one day we'll tell you what that really means okay thank you listen bitch audience sorry if we weren't like too with it today i think genuinely talking about this is uh a bit uncomfortable and a bit difficult i didn't i didn't know it would be but i'm happy that uh the lady that pushed us there pushed us to this place. I am going to do the theme for next week's Listen Bitch. And I was going to do something fluffy and teddy bears.

And I thought, nah, fuck it. So the theme for next week's Listen Bitch is... Beg friends. Little beggy begtings. Little beg begs. You know that beg shit? We're going to discuss it. Beggy. Begginess. Beggy, begting, little beg beg. You know that beg shit? We're going to discuss it. Beggy.

Begginess. Beggy, little beg beg. Yeah, how do you explain beg friend? Somebody who follows somebody around, but the person they are following doesn't even like them. Oh my God. Yes, and that could translate into other areas, I think. Oh yeah.

It's a beg friend energy. We're talking about a beg friend energy, which I met with often and I'm like, no time for it. Also, I reckon like clouting on Instagram, like clouting for friendship, that can be very beggy. Oh God.

Oh, I saw some questionable people jumping on your Charlie XCX, Brad Summer. I was like, oh, do me a favor. Please. Beggies. Beggies. Yeah. Basically, look for anyone doing the brat summer.

I don't get beg friended enough these days, I must say. I quite miss a beg friend. So I think you get it. Yeah, beg friend. All right. We'll see you next week. Send your questions to us. Oh, 8,000.

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