Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Stay In Your Lane

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about driving.Next week, we want to hear your questions about JEALOUSY. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: [phone]. Or, if you like, send us an email: [e-mail] episode contains very strong language and adult themes. Credits: Producer: Flossie Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan Haskins Miss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds

This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. This week's episode of Listen Bitch contains very strong language, adult themes, but we're all grown ups and we're all here to love each other. So this is the place to talk about this stuff. Hi, welcome to Listen Bitch everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we are. Driving, driving, driving, driving.

The theme for this week's listen bitch is driving And cars I go driving in my car beep beep who got the keys to my jeep Zim Zimma who got the keys to my beamer Paradise a bit of a parking lot. That's not really a driving is it don't waste them all now What about the Tracy Chapman song? That's the driving one isn't it? Yeah, but that's fate is anything I want a fair house car No

I win That's such a shame though Hot FM ruined fast car hot FM ruined Tracy Chapman. I will say it and so did boys on boys on played a hand in ruining Tracy Chapman. I will not have a bad word said against Boyzone. Rest in peace Stephen Gailey. Of course. But don't cover Baby Can I Hold You Tonight because that's actually a really beautiful song. Now I feel like we've left cars a little too much. Baby can I hold you tonight? Baby if I told you the right words. Billy I love your voice. Especially when you're closing your eyes when you're singing. Like you mean

it. Let's have our first question for this week's Elison bitch. How are you doing ladies? My name is Dan. I'm from Fulham drive for a living. Absolutely love the podcast. Just want to know Lily, what was your first ever car? And yeah, quite interested. Must admit, I had a little crush on Lily for a while. Still do. But yeah, take care, love the podcast, all the best. That's so annoying, so I was just about to say, he sounds quite fit, but he likes you. We all know that you've got a voucher in that area, so it's okay, you can cash that one in

if you really want to. We all know with that voice, 10 years ago, you would have been his, he would have been yours in a heartbeat. You like me? Let's get married. No, I mean, he sounds like the kind of guy you fancy. Anyway. First of all, he ticks the boxes because he's from Fulham. Go on Fulham. That's where I was born. And my football team is where my granddad is from. So yes, thank you Fulham.

My first car. Alison's Lavender Mercedes. Well, that wasn't mine. That was on my mom's car, which I did drive without a license and illegally quite often. So less said about that, the better. I actually once got pulled over in that car by policemen and I was like 16 and I was speeding and luckily they didn't ask for my license and registration. They were just like gave me a warning. It was the most scary thing that has ever happened to me. I was like I could go to jail. But that car was quite big. It was like a saloon

lavender Mercedes and you were so little when we were 16. It was like a Mercedes SLK, I think, yeah. And it was like lavender colored, my mom's Merc. Thanks, Alison. Really got us about. Oh my God. I was really bad, badly behaved. Anyway, then I got my actual license at the ripe old age of 17.

So cool. And I went to a car auction in Essex and I walked away with, well drove away with my Peugeot 206. Like actually it was maroon metallic and I crashed it within 45 minutes. What on the way back? On the way back, yeah. On the Gray back, yeah. On the Grayson Road. I think I was probably driving from Essex to West London

to come and show off to everyone and be like, beep, beep, here's my car. Oh my God, the fun we had in that car. That car. I think we could call it a home away from home, for sure. It was a sick car. Also, because we're from West London, no one else had got their shit together to learn to drive.

It's like, where are we going? Portobello, Notting Hill, we can walk. We can learn to drive. But you had done that. And so it was a real novelty. It's not like we were all like, you know, a lot of kids in the country, they all fucking do it as soon as they can.

We were like, what? You drive? You have a car? It was freedom. I have a car, bitches. But also I needed a car because I lived in North London at the time. So I needed to get to love to West London. And so you thought you needed to get to Grove quicker?

No, not really. But I just wanted to drive. I just I really felt very much like driving was going to be the key to my independence. And I love driving. I love driving a manual car. It was a manual car. It was a manual car and I felt like a bad man in that car for very many years. Yeah, to be honest. It was the birth of the bad man era in our lives. It had a sick sound system. I would drive around West London playing music obnoxiously loud. Can I also say that this car sometimes kind of morphed into like a party bus.

Yeah. Because one time it was a bank holiday and we parked it up outside the Metropolitan and opened all the doors, sat on the roof, played tunes and like the whole of the pub just came to the car and we started like a street party that bank holiday. Don't you remember? It was the days when um, LimeWire was like a big thing. So I was always like curating playlists and burning them onto CDs and then bringing the CDs into the car. So I had like the bad man car, the bad man playlist and I was like, I had some pretty sick looks going

on at the same time. Yeah, it was a real good time for you, I have to say. That was my era. Like, that was my happy time. Straight up. I think that was 17? I'd say 17 to 21, yeah. Yeah, 17 to 21. So just before becoming famous. Becoming world famous. Everything was so good. Everything was so good. All right,

let's have another question because we're going to answer like 50 in one. Let's see what you want to know. Hi, Makita and Lily. This is Shell from Dubai. Your subject about driving, I have a story. So settle in. Basically, a few years ago, myself and my boyfriend at the time went with his friend and his friend's brother to the cinema. And before we went to the cinema, we went to a very famous global Italian food chain and I ordered the seafood linguine. And then through the cinema, I was feeling like, oh, a bit strange in the tummy, and it was just kind of like fine. And then on the drive home, we got stuck in traffic. And I started to sweat,

and I started to like convulse with pain in my tummy. And I basically knew I was gonna shit myself. So he pulled the car over on the side of Shake Side Road. And if you've ever been to Dubai, it's like the hugest highway that connects all the Emirates. Pulled the car on the side of the road. I proceeded to jump out of the car, squat on the side of the road

and completely produce this diarrhea while thousands of cars are driving next to me. I finish, pull my skirt back up, get back in the car and the only way my boyfriend at the time could cope was to hang his head out of the window like a dog to get any sort of fresh air. out of the window like a dog to get any sort of fresh air. So my question is, have you ever shit yourself in a car or next to a car? Okay, love you and love the pod, bye. Thank you. Wow, thank you for sharing.

Have I ever shit myself in a car? Isn't that quite serious in Dubai? Aren't you like, aren't there pretty big laws on like sexual activity in public? I'm sure shitting in the street doesn't go down that well I don't know if shitting necessarily comes under sexual act I mean it does definitely for some people but not in this instance thank you have I ever shit myself in a car no thank

god I don't think I've ever shit myself anywhere yes because we've had stories about you almost shitting yourself so Have I ever shit myself in a car? No, thank god. I don't think I've ever shit myself anywhere. Yes, because we've had stories about you almost shitting yourself, so not actually all the way. Yeah, I think I've actually got pretty good sphincter control. I haven't said this, others have said about this. People often remark on my sphincter control. Shout out Colin Davis. mark on my sink to control. Shout out Colin Davis.

Right, he knows, he'll understand. What about on the tour bus? Do people poo on a tour bus? I guess they have to. Interestingly enough, you're not allowed to poo on the tour bus. You're allowed to wee. And there's always a notice on the door that says, if you poo in this, the tour will incur a like 35 pound,

you know, cleaning fee or whatever, because the driver has to then like clear it out. But I have always thought that 35 pounds is worth it. I was gonna say, it's not that much money if you're eating this gist of the loop. So I've done it a few times, sorry. But wasn't it just like a coach? People poo on a coach.

They have toilets on coaches. You're not meant to poo on the coach. You're meant to pee only and save the poo when you get to the bus station. Yeah. Anyway, let's have another question. Yeah. Hi, Miki Tainili. Amber here from the Midlands.

Really loving the podcast gets me through the week. Just wanted to ask, have you ever been in any accidents or near misses with driving, whether that's from your own driving or someone else's, and how did you deal with that? Bye. Little nudges. I haven't really been in a proper crash. Touch wood. God willing. Exactly. We've been very lucky. My mum and my brother were once though. It's actually when I did my first solo ever at Wells Cathedral, I did in the bleak midwinter for a Christmas carol concert. And my mum didn't show up and I was very sad. I thought this is just another example of my family not showing up for me. And then the carol concert ended and we went back to my boarding house because I was at

boarding school at the time. And my headmaster and headmistress pulled me into a room and said, your mum and your brother have been involved in a car crash. And it was quite serious. My mum drove at the time a Suzuki Vitara, which was like, and it was like a convertible Jeep and a car had been driving down the middle of a dual carriageway, and so my mum had to pull over to avoid the oncoming car, and they rolled into a ditch.

Why don't I know this? I don't remember this. This is awful. Yeah, she's got a scar across the bottom of her chin. I don't remember like, it being serious. This is awful. So there was me being all like, poor me, my parents don't love me,

nobody's coming to see me. And actually they were in a fucking car crash and we're in hospital. So, but yeah, I haven't been in a car crash. I had to drive my dad to, what's that hospital called in Chalk Farm, the big one? Royal Free. Royal Free, yeah.

So my dad had like a sort of mini heart attack once in his car and I had to like get in the driving seat and drive him there and I nearly crashed on the way. I was really young. Were you sitting next to him and then he suddenly had a heart attack and you had to get in the driver's seat? Yeah, I think so.

I think that's what happened. It was only like, you know, two streets away or something but he was like, you have to drive. So I drove because it was before my mobile phones, things like that. So, and it was only like, you know, two streets away or something, but he was like, you have to get, you have to drive. So I drove because it was before my mobile phones, things like that. So and it was manual. I didn't know how to drive them. You know, I didn't have to drive it to all. I was like nine or 10 or something.

So wait a minute. So you actually drove this car as a nine, 10 year old two streets away because he was I mean, that's still you man. You took over this machine. Yeah, I think he did the gears maybe and I did the pedals. You think that would bond you quite a lot. Yeah, it did.

12 minutes. I saved your life. I saved your life, daddy. Do you know what, I'm learning to drive at the moment and it's really, I have to say that this extra thing that I didn't think would freak me out and I'm learning manual. Hope you'll be proud of me It's not a driving license if it's not a manual license. I'll just put that out there I don't want to cuss all those automatic people but in it

Go-kart you're go-karting Sorry, but yes, I the scariest thing is oh shit I have a machine that I'm in charge of and I could kill a man. I never thought about that. I was like, let me just learn how to drive. Then I'm like, oh right, okay, it's like up to me to not hurt anybody and to like be patient. And I just can't believe you did it when we were so young. But I guess you were more fearless, right?

You were just like, fuck it, I need to learn to drive. Yeah. I don't remember you studying for your theory. When did we find that kind of time? We were like at the pub. No, I can't really remember. I just remember doing it and then it passed. I'll be on the roads by the end of the year. Okay. I'm willing it.

I'm just going to drive to Grove. Imagine. I think it's time to pull over. Get myself a coffee. Perhaps refill with some petrol or diesel if that's what your engine requires. Refill the tank. Maybe even do a little oil top up and put some extra air in your wheels. Oh welcome back. Welcome back to ListenBit. Let's have another question about driving all cars or cars and driving related. Hi, Lily Makita. I'm Hayley from Essex and I have a car sex story for you, Makita. It was a number of years ago now and very, very out of character for me, hence why all of my friends thought

this was hilarious. I was seeing a guy and it was his birthday, so I met him and his friends for some drinks. I don't drink, I'm always the designated driver. I offered to drive him home and we started fooling around and obviously one thing led to another. I offered to drive him home and we started falling around and obviously one thing led to another. I was about to enter into unsafe sex which again is very uncharacteristic for me but it didn't seem to matter because he was very drunk and couldn't actually get it in. So he had an amazing five minutes with the inside of my leg while I just kind of laid there and thought well it's his birthday. But unfortunately because we didn't use a condom and he wasn't

exactly inside when he finished it It went everywhere. And when I mean everywhere, it went into the underneath of the seat down the hole where the seatbelt plugs are. Yeah, it was pretty gross. And honestly, I don't know how anybody can have sex in the back of the car. It's just very uncomfortable. And yeah, I never tried it after that. So I would like to know if either of you have had any successful car sex encounters or if it's actually impossible and very unrealistic like the movies. But that's a serious, serious story.

Thank you for coming here. Let's maybe not say coming. Thank you for being here today with such rawness. Thank you. And thank you so much for giving me a sex story in a car because I haven't had sex in a car ever. And you've just ruined it for me because I always think in films it looks so hot and not neat but

like not this chaos that you seem to be describing. I feel like you've had sex in a car because you've always had a car. I'm trying to think about it. I don't think I mean I kind of feel like I must have but I Can't remember. I think I've probably given a blowjob in a car. Yeah, I mean standard or hand job at least Yeah, she I've definitely done a hand job. Is this in your own car or The man whose penis is getting the hand job Is it his car because quite a lot of power if you give someone a hand job in your car as opposed to in their car. I think it might even be slightly more complex than that. I think it might have been my car but he was driving it. Oh my god that is a headbutt. Okay where does the

power lie? Maybe that's why you gave him a hand job because he was driving your car. Bring that power back Rich. Okay. But you know I don't think I've had full sex driving your car. Bring that power back, Rich. OK. But you know, I don't think I've had full sex in a car. When I think about the practicalities of it, I'm thinking about my knees, not not liking it. Right. Well, that depends on the position. I don't know what position you're in. Well, I'm thinking he's in the passenger seat and I'm on top on mine.

Yeah. With my knees bent, obviously. No, your feet would be on the floor. Well, hang on. Because it's not that far down. No. No. How? Like around the seat on the floor?

Yeah. No, I don't think that my legs could fit around the seat. I think I'd have to be. Maybe because I have longer legs. Have to be. This is a longer legged sex position possibly. Hey, I mean, I don't know because I've never had sex in a car.

Maybe my idea of how it would work is not at all how it would work. Maybe that doesn't work at all. I'm thinking it's gonna have to be it's gotta be sort of this. Yeah. Situation. Yeah, but then now try and put each leg over There's not much room to go here. Oh that now see look That is a good sex position the door is here. Yeah, the doors there

No, it's not your partner is here. Yeah, the door's there. No, this is not working for me. Oh, your partner is there. I think that looked hot. It's great. Is it hot watching me get out of the position? This is how a 39 year old gets out of a sexy sex position. When you're 20 you go, ha-pah, and done. It's nice to know that there are still, you know,

fruitful adventures in cars for both of us to still have. And done it's nice to know that there is still you know Fruitful adventures in cars for both of us to still have really love to hear the noises from in the studio now that I'm watching Actually, really looks so so cute with your little bum in the air. It's actually very sweet. I Know it's meant to be sexy as fuck. It's actually very sweet a Little bit of both little bit, but Let's have another question for Listen Bitch, driving in cars. Driving in cars. Hi, Lily and Makita.

This is Sarah from San Diego, California, and I love a road trip. And I was wondering, when you take a road trip, is there stuff that you have to have to make it a good one? Like for me, I need a pretzel and a Coke. Do you know what?

The road trip that sticks in my mind, and I think we've talked about it a little bit, was Reading 2000 and whatever. I was 20 and you were 19. As I always do, I remember exactly what I was wearing, which is a sort of particularly hideous white fur gilet that I thought looked a bit Sienna Miller. Oh wow. Kill me! Kill me! Oh wow. And um we went and Lily had a real camera at the time

that would be just called a camera. We took pictures but that wasn't the exciting bit. We took pictures and we had this great day and we saw the streets play and we were very into it. I think we didn't see much else, but we just had a really good time. But the main thing was that we took all these pictures and then Lily printed them out for me and I put them around the ceiling of my bedroom in that fucking weird church that I lived in in Bethnal Green. And I basically invented Instagram stories because I sort of, I did didn't I? I basically did the story of the day in pictures all around my sitting room and I wish I had those pictures, we were so cute and so young and it was a road trip but we didn't say anything like road trip, we just said let's go to Reading for the day. That's the only road trip we've had right?

Only road trip that you and I have had yeah. I've been on other road trips. I went on a road trip with my dad once around Ireland on a horse and cart. I don't know if that counts because this is not driving. We were driving a horse. He was called Lynch. We did get into a crash then, actually. The horse jumped into the windscreen of an oncoming van and the whole thing toppled over and I was in the back and I got concussed and it was like a scene out of Father Ted like as it happened and then the

reins of the horse had like gone through my dad's foot so my dad's foot was like cut open and like really lucky he missed missed an artery and the van driver was like, you know, traumatized because a fucking horse had like jumped through the windscreen of his van. But then behind him was like a little tiny like golf polo, actually Volkswagen polo with four nuns. That is Father Ted. Yeah. And it was on this little old country lane. What was the holiday about in general? Bonding.

It was me and Alfie and my dad going on a bonding trip, but much like the barge trips that we used to go on, there needs to be some sort of odd vehicle involved with my dad. I know, a horse and cart trip Lily and Alfie will love. What, he's such a weird actor. That ended in absolute disaster and trauma trauma as most of those holidays did. But anyway, there was that road trip. And then I went on my recent road trip with my friend Olivia

around British Columbia, which was great. I would say now what I like is like a podcast, like a true crime podcast or something. And also the other thing that we found quite fun is wherever you are on that road trip, trying to find musicians or bands that are from that place and making playlists with music of that ilk. So we were in Canada, so I listened to a bit of Crash Test Dummies, Justin Bieber. I love that. Like the musicians of the land that you're passing through. Exactly, exactly. When I pass my test, I'm literally just gonna go and like visit places that I'd quite like

to do a church tour. You interested? Absolutely. Okay. Do a church tour with you? I really, I think it's a beautiful way to see like all the villages and towns and cities of our country. You've got all that to look forward to, babe. That's the kind of shit I'm going to do. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to play fucking Bush and Pearl Jam and SWEV and I'm going to do a church tour. It's a very nuanced situation.

I feel like we could do a road trip here of church, I think like churches of America would be like even more fun. We should do a road trip in America of churches. I don't know how I feel about the churches in America. Come on. I don't feel like they have the same beautiful architecture. No, but then you've got like the whole black gospel scene. Fuck yeah. We should, this is a TV show I don't want to just do this let's film this let's not pitch this

Thelma and Louise Yes, oh shit. Oh, that's what we're doing here Okay, that okay. Yeah, no problem. Let me write it up. Okay Let's have a last question or one before last. So whatever you want to throw at us, just give me another one. Give us another. Give it to me, baby. So on the on the topic of driving, I bought a really nice car. It was like what people call a poor man's Ferrari. It was a gorgeous car. I loved it. But I fucking hated it because for the first six months, the abuse I got was unbelievable.

And it was always, always for men. I remember I watched a film with my best friend and then we were driving home, it was a summer evening, it was hot, we had the windows down. I was stuck behind a bus, you know, who couldn't pull over because people were double parked, no problem. And they caught a car approached from the other direction. He then stopped beside me, rolled down his window and said, fucking dickhead, and then drove

off. And that was generally, that was my experience for the first six months of having that car. And then I learned how to ignore it, how not to catch people's eye. There was something about when I overtook people, they didn't like a woman driving a car like that. There was something weird and I was wondering if you've had that experience where a man has impeded on your space or made you feel like as a woman you are less of a driver, you are less a person on the road you should get out of their way I think this is a bigger question about and bigger conversation about being a lady on the road or being a woman on the road because I've noticed it even in my

lessons I'm like oh right yeah like you're not gonna let me in I have to be aggressive like ask my my brilliant driving instructor She's so wonderful was like you have to like you have to be like I'm coming in I was like what you mean I can't do that So you have to you have to like take up your space on the road. I was like, oh god. This is like quite political Oh shit. Yeah, it's the worst. I've had some like really flash cars in my time. Like I was just trying to think what's the flashest I can't think I had like a Mercedes, I think it's called S63, which is like a huge engine

and it's like really beefy like man car. I really like having a beefy man car. And then my favorite thing is to like, you know, be driving, having a cigarette in front, you know, sunglasses on music, not too obnoxiously, but like, you know, you can hear it. And you can feel the eyes of the men around you and you just like will not engage. It's just like, I know you see me. I know you see me. No, you want my attention. I'm not giving it to you. Okay, that's quite good advice. That's quite good.

Yeah, they hate it when you overtake. But I was once not that long ago, me and David were driving around London and I overtook me again and he stopped the car and he got out to come and sort of shout at me on my passenger window side and I got really scared. And David just got out of the car and told him to get the fuck back in his car and it was like really like, the guy looked shook and I was just like that was sexy. Yeah quite hot. I would like to be able to do that myself. I'd like to be able to get out of my car and be like step the fuck back from my car and me get out of my space. But I am at it's like people's emotions are really heightened on the road. Yeah. It's a whole different world on the road isn't it? It's a really interesting space to be in because you're like the road rage thing is crazy because it's almost like it's like a spectator sport almost. It's like you know how men go and watch the football and scream and shout on the weekend. It's like their safe space to you know let off

steam and let off their emotion and I think people feel the same way in their cars. I think that they engage with each other in a way that you wouldn't engage with someone if you were traveling on the tube. You're not gonna be like, get the fuck out of my way. No, and the way people talk to each other on the road is very much like that. But I think it's because you've got a machine

between your legs, as it were. Yes, but you'd sometimes, you know, often like, it's funny as well, like the talking to yourself that you do in in the car. And this is also my favorite one is when you're trying to interact with someone, you know that they can't hear you, but you'd mouth the we are like, can you let me in here? Oh, it's like, I'm trying to turn left. It's an extension of can we get the bill?

Yeah. I need to make a left. I'm in the wrong lane. I like that. I like that kind of communication because it is just like we are all animals. But why am I whispering? Why can't I just say I'm in the wrong lane? It's like I have to go like, I'm in the wrong lane. I need to be like

It's like needing to be as big as the machine that you are in control of something about when man meets machine Something like that black cab drivers are the worst those are the ones that like if you cut them up or whatever They're like fucking bitch. You're like Those are the ones that like if you cut them up or whatever, they're like, fuck it bitch. You're like, whoa. That's a bit of a generalization, Lily. You haven't been on the road long enough to be able to tell me that. I haven't been on the road. Yeah, you wait. Sorry.

You wait. I stepped out of place there. I ain't even been on the road like you've been on the road. Stay in your lane, bitch. Very good. A bit of driving. Very good. That's our title.

Stay in your lane. Stay in your lane, bitch. Yeah, yeah. Very good. A bit of driving. Very good. That's our title, Stay in your Lane. Stay in your Lane bitch. Yeah, yeah. You just said stay in your lane bitch and you just named the episode. I think we're done here. Let's get off the road.

Let's get off the road. I'm gonna go watch industry and possibly have a wank. Wait a minute. Industry, the BBC show. Yeah. Oh my God. I was just thinking about starting it. I love when you watch BBC stuff. Does it make you feel like you're a bit at show. Yeah. Oh my God, I was just thinking about starting it. I love when you watch BBC stuff.

Does it make you feel that you're a bit at home? Yeah. Yeah. Is industry worth starting? Oh, have you not seen the first two seasons? No, none of it. Oh my God, you haven't lived. It's so good.

You're gonna love it. I'm so excited for you. It's great. Oh my God, I'm gonna fucking do this. All right, sweetie, you enjoy that. It's your Listen Bitch theme. It is. I'm on the you. It's great. Oh my god, I'm gonna fucking do this. All right, sweetie, you enjoy that. It's your Listen Bitch theme. It is. I'm on the edge of my seat.

My Listen Bitch theme for next week is... Jealousy. Yay! Okay, good. Yeah. That's a good one. It's time to talk about jealousy It really is and in an honest way I know because I can't even really talk about it honestly in therapy. So I should probably do it here It's gonna be really hard for you to do it opposite me as well. Thanks

Well, actually we should talk about for reading and talk about that the jealousy that has occurred throughout our relationship. Whoa Okay, I think I might be ill next week. I think it's really important because only because there's so little of it now. It doesn't it doesn't feature now, which is why we're in such a good place. So we should talk about all the terrible times that it ruled us. We'll go We'll go from nought to thirty nine. We'll see where we get in the journey of our jealousy of each other. Oh, it informs much of my decision making process jealousy. We will talk about it all next week on Listen Bitch. Get ready! The number that you can send WhatsApp messages to is 080304090.

Great to have you back in the room, Lily Allen. Great to have you back. Nice to be back. It's nice to be back. Now save all that energy for next week. I'll see you next week. I'll see you next week. Bye! Bye! Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver.

This is a Persephoneca production for BBC Sounds. My name is Annie Matmannis. And my name is Nick Grimshaw. How long have we known each other, babe? Probably 20 years now. And in that time, we've always worked in and around music, right? We have. So it kind of makes sense that we do a podcast about it.

It sounds like it's been 20 years in the making. It's not avatar for podcasts, basically. But it is good. So we put the world to rights with regards to music. It's all the stuff that you'd want to chat to your mate about over a pint. Side tracked with us, Annie and Nick. Listen on BBC Sounds.