Miss Me? - Listen Bitch! Tits, Funbags, BOOBS!

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver answer your questions about boobs. Bra or no bra? Have they ever thought about getting surgery? Are boobs out and bums in? How do you check for signs of breast cancer?Nex...t week, we want to hear your questions about INFLUENCE. Please send us a voice note on WhatsApp: 08000 30 40 90. Or, if you like, send us an email: missme@bbc.co.uk.This episode contains very strong language and adult themes, including cancer and miscarriages, which some people may find upsetting.If you're affected by any of the issues discussed in this episode, you can find support at bbc.co.uk/actionline.Producer: Florence Barratt Technical Producer: Will Gibson Smith Production Coordinator: Hannah Bennett Executive Producers: Dino Sofos and Ellie Clifford Assistant Commissioner for BBC: Lorraine Okuefuna Commissioning Editor for BBC: Dylan HaskinsMiss Me? is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is the BBC. This podcast is supported by advertising outside the UK. on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. This episode of Miss Me contains very strong language and adult themes. We're also going to be talking about
Starting point is 00:00:39 some issues like cancer and miscarriages, which some people might find upsetting. Welcome to Listen Bitch. That's right. This week we are talking about... Breasts. No, boobs. That's the word I was looking for. Correct.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's me throughout the week going, was that a childish way to say breasts? But I like saying boobs. I say my boobs. What do you say? I say fun bags. When it's the right time of night, I say fun bags.
Starting point is 00:01:24 Wow. It doesn't have to be night do you know what i had an ex that just like didn't really know how to have sex with me and one thing he would do is be like and i was like no i was not sexy i wore like honk to them yeah like honk like is your juggerwaggers oh it's like no no we don't have to do that yeah this isn't turning me on babe anyway this isn't just about sex today can we say this really isn't about sex this is about so many things breasts are part of so much of our life breastfeeding uh mammary gland well quite within aging they change uh i turned 40 last week so um so they've
Starting point is 00:02:08 immediately gone they went the the moment the clock struck midnight yeah because mine is still pretty perky why don't you still put your pocket actually you have great you have great boobs you have great boobs i never had a problem with my boobs but But then Perez Hilton once when I was like in my youth, got a picture of me like sunbathing topless or whatever and drew party hats like as in birthday party hats on my nipples and was and called them like party hat nipples. And I'd never like considered that before as being like weird that I had weird areola? Areola? Areolas? Areola? Areola. But apparently... weird areola areola areolas areola areola but apparently well you know what you don't i love your boobs are great i think you have got perfectly sized areola thank you so much but this is it this is why we should talk openly about boobs i want to know how people feel i want to take it to the floor i want to take it to the world let's go go. First question. Listen, bitch. Our theme this week is boobs. Hey, Makita. Hey, Lily. I am Alex. I live in a little rural village in East Sussex in a very rundown bungalow that we're currently knocking down and rebuilding. I am blessed with sizable
Starting point is 00:03:18 assets, shall we say, which depending on which stage of my life was either a blessing or a curse. But I frequently am foiled by my own tits. Like I'll see an amazing dress and I'll try it on and it fits amazingly, but I can't do it up around my wabs. So I was wondering if you've had any occasions where you too have been foiled by your tits. Foiled by my tits. Thank you for this description of where you live. A rundown bungalow that you're doing up i really want to gut something with a partner but that's enough that's when we do
Starting point is 00:03:49 property so we won't do that now this is boobs got something with a partner really sounds like i really want to gut something with a partner keep it to yourself babe alex alex has sizable boobs I used to Alex I used to have really big boobs I think at one point I remember when I was about 31 I had I went for a fitting um and I had to get a bra that was a double f whoa a b c d e f and then double that on the f I was they were massive and I was quite overweight at the time but I my mum has big boobs and I was quite overweight at the time, but my mum has big boobs and I always had really big boobs. Foiled me, I don't know. It's horrible when they don't fit into something
Starting point is 00:04:31 and you feel, like I've never been someone that like wears low cut tops and keeps my cleavage out. I always feel like I'm really like, if I've got my cleavage out, especially when my boobs were really big. I've always like just got my legs out, but I don't think I've ever been foiled by my my boobs were really big. I've always just got my legs out. But I don't think I've ever been foiled by my boobs when they were big. I just had a good time.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Lily, yours are too small to foil you. Rude. I mean, no, not really. Because for the people that have got the problem of trying to fit them into something, quite a lot of clothes are made for women with big but larger breasts. So quite often things won't work for me because I don't have enough to put in there. Yeah, but you can do that great thing, which is like a vest, tight, that's like a bit seat through with no bra.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Correct. I can do that. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah, you do it well. But I can't wear like a low cut thing with like a V that's got a big space for your, you know, sexy cleavage because I just look like a 12 year old boy. Yeah, but then I quite like it when it just goes down and then it's like flat and not all like breastically. Not such a good look. But that's probably because I had big boobs.
Starting point is 00:05:37 We all want what we can't have. We all want what we can't have, Alex. You enjoy those big old massive boobs of yours and, you know, be happy that you still got them I miss mine is what I mean I really miss mine they left when I started skipping it's fine my body got in really good shape but the boobs went with it I think fun bags is the best name for them just saying okay all right okay let's have another let's have another question and should we call them something different for every question? Sure.
Starting point is 00:06:06 What would you like to call them now? Alex called them wabs. I think that might be a location-based way of calling. Do you know what I hate? Tatas. Yeah, but who says tatas? Americans. Quite a lot of Americans. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Yeah. We'll go into that. We'll go into that. Let's get another question for tits on this week's Listen Bitch. Hi, Makita. Hi, Lily. I'm Molly. I live in Sheffield, so I'm up north.
Starting point is 00:06:30 I just want to quickly say love the podcast. Love that it's in the charts, knocking the men off the top spots quite a lot every week. That makes me happy. Not that I hate men, but you know. So the topic of boobs, I guess, Makita, you said towards the end of the last episode that your relationship to your boobs has changed and I'm in my late 20s I used to hate my boobs when
Starting point is 00:06:54 I was younger got a small to medium chest now I love them and I think they're a big part of my identity as a woman and I guess I'm curious to know over time how do you cope with your boobs changing if that's the case if you tie quite a lot of your sexuality and and how you feel about yourself as a woman to your boobs and they change what does that do to that sense of identity rips it from you um yeah it's like everything especially now that i'm 40 shit's going to change and if you don't get on board with that then you can't really bring in all the other things that come with getting older which is uh what is it wisdom pensions hip replacements no but it's a it's a part of acceptance and surrendering i would say in your late 20s remember to enjoy them now i know you're having a good time with them but i remember being with my mom and auntie sandra and they were i was
Starting point is 00:08:00 probably 28 and they were probably late 40s and uh i took my top off and i was in my bra and they both went fucking late 20s breasts and i was like what they were like don't worry but like one day you'll understand i was like i don't know what their problem is i'm just walking around my beautiful perfect breasts and now i'm 40 i'm like i didn't appreciate them so just have a good time and remember that everything changes and it's important to accept that. Oprah said as well, she said, you could be the most beautiful person in the world with the most beautiful figure. All that changes. All that changes. You've got to find other things about yourself to enrich who you are and take other things about who you are out into the
Starting point is 00:08:39 world. Sorry, I don't mean to get too Oprah about it, but that's how I'm dealing with age. Sorry, I don't mean to get too Oprah about it, but that's how I'm dealing with age. Lily? Your boobs haven't, this is the thing, your boobs haven't changed. They're just pert, little perfect things up here. Like me and Lily do quite a lot of,
Starting point is 00:08:57 Lily's quite often topless in FaceTimes that we do. Not for Miss Me, but the other ones we do. Although when we come up to renegotiation time. You have done topless shoots as well. And they were all when you were younger, I suppose. Yeah. I don't really think about my boobs that much. But maybe that's because they're not changing.
Starting point is 00:09:18 They've definitely got like stretch marks on them because I breastfed. Oh, yeah. When you had the kids as well. Yeah. Not Ethel. She didn't deserve it. No, I'm joking. She just didn't latch on. we'll come to breastfeeding later but yeah I've got stretch marks on them I don't
Starting point is 00:09:31 don't really feel like they've ever defined me but you remember when we were younger I used to get them out yeah when we partied like I was one of those girls that like got drunk and like lifted her top up like a fucking idiot um like in westbourne studios no not west i think it was more like yo-yo weirdly which is odd because seb was my boyfriend who was deejaying so i don't know what i was doing being like everyone know that my boyfriend's on the decks and here's my tits um but yeah i used to be that annoying girl i'm sure that probably doesn't come as a surprise to a lot of listeners they're like yeah that makes sense that tracks if i'm thinking about it i i can't i just remember it going oh yeah what the fuck were you doing but i would never say i hate the word exhibitionist i
Starting point is 00:10:13 think it's such a bullshit thing to call someone who likes to flash it seems very out of character i guess that's like a a example of like personal growth like i feel like youth yes like when i was young i was just different like the idea that i would go out get drunk and like lift my top up but that happened more on more than one occasion so i don't know what the fuck was going on but anyway did we answer your question i hope we did i really do lily you want to call out for another question yes please can we have another question for listen bitch hey lily and makita my name's lara and i have a question for you about boobies i had a daughter about three years ago and was lucky enough that breastfeeding worked out for us um i know it
Starting point is 00:11:03 doesn't for everyone but i was very lucky and there were so many times where they would be like literally to the point of bursting and then like jets would shoot out of my tits like jets of milk and i just found the whole thing so fucking funny like it would just go off like a fire hydrant um yeah any funny breastfeeding stories um thank you for bringing boobies to the table that's another one boobies do i have any breastfeeding stories i mean once i guess when ethel was a baby i took her to um lunch at a very fancy restaurant with my and my brother came with us and it was the first time that he'd met her and my milk came in what does that mean for the first time while we were having lunch so when you have a baby like your boobs just
Starting point is 00:11:52 like fill up with milk and they start oh right the milk just starts coming out of them and i just wasn't ready for it because it hadn't happened before somebody else's baby was crying and apparently that is a trigger when you hear a baby crying your body produces milk and so we were sitting at this restaurant Ethel was asleep in her um in her buggy her cot thing and someone else's baby started crying and then Alfie just looked at me horrified and my whole top was just like saturated with milk um and yeah my milk had come in my milk had come in that wasn't really that funny but then when Marnie was a baby and I started writing music again I would take my breast pumps into the studio with me so I'd be sitting there like working with like these sort of you know boys in their early 20s with like two things on my beard going.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And then I remember like Friars. Oh, the noise those press machines make. Friars, who was a kid that I was working with at the time, was really young. And I remember having expressed a load of milk when we were in the studio and then I put the milk in the fridge. And when I left at the end of the day, I'd forgotten it. So like having to call up some 20-year-old kid and like ask him to like put my breast milk
Starting point is 00:13:12 in cling film and chuck it into an Uber. Poor Bryce. And people say that motherhood and pop music don't mix. But you did have hell with Ethel breastfeeding in the beginning, didn't you? That was awful. I did. She wouldnfeeding in the beginning, didn't you? It was awful. I did. She didn't latch on.
Starting point is 00:13:28 She had an operation when she was a very small baby. So and it was an operation on her throat. So she anything that was to do with her face or her mouth, she was very, you know, she just sort of turned her head. So she was tube fed for the first nine months. And it, it put a lot of strain on us, actually, because I had a baby that died before I had Ethel. And so I really had my heart set on, you know, breastfeeding my child into the night. And that didn't happen. And I was incredibly disappointed, not in her, in myself, really, for for like I guess I blamed my breast milk for not being yummy enough for her to you know to be able to get past it and so yeah I feel like we had difficulty connecting in some ways as a result of that we know we've made up for it now yeah you and Ethel oh I thought you meant you and your husband of the time no I mean right of courseel. Right. Of course, because it's a connector. But then I suppose there are a lot of people that it's not as easy and simple. And then people are like, are you connecting to your child in the same
Starting point is 00:14:32 way? Oh, absolutely. And there shouldn't be, you know, it's a societal expectation. And, you know, you're, it's kind of like one of those people will say it's the best thing for your child. And it's such a, you know precious moment and there is some truth to it but there's also absolutely no shame in it not happening yeah like you know and actually in the milk that i was producing was not calorific enough for for ethel to sustain her so you know she was rejecting it and i was bottle feeding her and she was getting the nutrients that she needed to grow. I wouldn't have been able to do that with my boobs.
Starting point is 00:15:05 So it was I was deluded, though. I pumped for like nine months and kept the milk like thinking when she's over this hurdle, she'll come back onto my boob. And I was like, just stop. Oh, no, but no, not to buy another chest freezer in the in our house to fill all the milk. And she never took a drop of it. And our house to fill all the milk. And she never took a drop of it. And I did donate it all, though. Okay.
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Starting point is 00:15:59 We got you. Rogers. Welcome back. Can we have our next question? The Listen Bitch, please. Hi, it's Michelle. I'm originally from the Isle of Wight, lived 23 years in London.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Now I'm living in Spain. I don't wear a bra. I've never worn a bra. Don't ever want't wear a bra. I've never worn a bra. I don't ever want to wear a bra. My question is, do you wear bras? Do you like wearing bras? Are they really helping us in the boobs department? That's my question. Bye. I love you. You've really got an energy of someone who doesn't wear a bra. You know what I mean? You didn't need to tell me you didn't wear a bra. Do you know what I mean? You didn't need to tell me you didn't wear a bra. I knew it from like.
Starting point is 00:16:48 I could hear it. From the life story, from the locations that you chose to live in. I get it. She lives in Spain. She lives in Spain. She's bra-less. She's free. Bra-less. Please.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Again, I would like to know, do you have quite big boobs? Because going bra-less with big boobs is just not an option. But old little titty, lily little titty, she looks great without a bra. As I said, the aforementioned white vest that's quite thin with no bra and you just have these little breasts with nipples. So now that I've got smaller boobs, maybe I could go braless. No, I think they need the extra help that gravity's pulling strong
Starting point is 00:17:29 do we need bras what do you think mill each to their own like who am i to dictate what people do with their own bodies and how they want to dress themselves and how they want to support themselves but but do you think bras serve a purpose? Well, obviously they do. Like, they lift them up. Don't you remember when, you know, there was that whole Wonder Bra thing with Eva Herzigova and people that are too young to know about this time, there was a big billboard campaign that was all around England and it said, hello, boys,
Starting point is 00:17:59 and it was promoting this new thing called the Wonder Bra, which was, it wasn't the first padded bra, was it? No, no, no, no. was, it wasn't the first padded bra, was it? No, no, no, no. Okay, it wasn't the first padded bra, but it was the first kind of sensationalized, commercialized padded bra with a huge advertising campaign. Hello, boys, you know. That's quite a lot.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Now, I don't think that would get out. No, it wouldn't. She looked fab. What is men's obsession with boobs? Why are they so into them? Is it just because they're like little babies that want their mummies? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I'm really hoping a man asks a question because I want to know how men feel about boobs. Let's have another question and see if a man is asking it. Oh, please. Come on, get involved in the conversation. Hi, Makita. Hi, Lily.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Loving the podcast, by the way. I'm Lee from Cornwall. When I was growing up I was kind of surrounded the majority of the time by like heterosexual males and one question that was always kind of thrown around or ass guys but something that was very noticeable is that the majority always said ass so kind of that in itself is my question to you do you think there's been a shift towards instead of the objectification of a woman's body through the medium of boobs it's now through the medium of bum there's something going on with the ass isn't there it's not particularly new i would say it rolled in with the kardashians which is
Starting point is 00:19:39 bullshit because the body type they have is a really standard African black body with, you know, a kind of curved bum, a back off, basically. And I have that. Not so much anymore. But I have that curve. And I hated it when I was a kid. When I was 22, I asked my mom if I could have surgery to get rid of it. And she said, absolutely not. Thank God she said that. But my mum has the same body. So does my auntie Nana. So do a lot of my aunties. And in the 80s and 90s and noughties, early noughties, it was a disgusting thing.
Starting point is 00:20:13 You know, how big is your bum? Like, does my bum look big in this? It was literally like a point of revulsion and something, especially for black women, something you didn't want to attain in life a big bum and then things changed i don't want to say it's with just the kardashians but that was a huge shift um and now the ass is huge the ass is a massive thing you get people getting bbls right that's the surgery for getting what's a bbl it's the the bum surgery uh well quite well quite to make your bum bigger people die
Starting point is 00:20:46 frankly it's very dangerous surgery yeah yeah yeah you've always been an ass girl as in you have she's got great little boobs but also you have such a lovely batty you have a great back off lily and you know it no i don't my bum is like saggy and horrible it goes with the rest of my horrible legs lily yeah sorry you're just never gonna get me to be like one of these like Instagram like I love my bunny people because I hate my short little legs and my dumpy little bum sorry I just do no but your bum oh god I really wish we had a cousin here to for some evidence you used to wear skirts and wind it up and wind on down and wind you look our waist and you still do and your bum is a huge part of that it's a huge part of your sexiness where you feel safe and comfortable I believe I've never I mean I never really spent that much time looking
Starting point is 00:21:40 at it to be honest no but you like dancing with it I do get it I mean I at it, to be honest. No, but you like dancing with it. I do get it. I mean, I think it's generational, right? Like, because my mum's boyfriend, Aaron, like, he would be what I would consider a tits man. How do you know that? Because he's with my mum, for a start. Alison has great tits. We'll just say that. Big bazookas.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Big bazookas. Unbelievable tits, actually. Yeah, and you were brought up with a mum with huge boobs yes yeah and they were they're a huge part of her sexiness and her vibe identity i would say very much so you know and she definitely um you know like to get them out for the lads not necessarily the heterosexual ones though i'll also be like her gay friends were obsessed with her tits always obsessed with her tits but i do remember her talk my mom used to be quite a long distance runner when she was at school and really um really enjoyed that as a pastime and it and that was like a big part of her identity and she said it was completely
Starting point is 00:22:42 halted because of the arrival of her boobs yeah um and it was something that really really upset her at the time because it was something that she was really good at and that she really enjoyed and then god was like you got these guys to contend with now you're meant to be a massive film producer instead can we have a new question please hi ladies my name is abby i'm from dorset on the sunny coast um my question to you is have you or would you ever consider surgery on the boobies i believe that we should all learn to love ourselves and our bodies and how they are i have changed since i've had three children and actually my boobs considerably changed after my last child who is now nearly five. My older two
Starting point is 00:23:32 children are 15 and 13 so I guess being much younger when I had them I didn't see much change but I do now and I also wonder if women have regrets when they do have them done because they think it will bring them happiness again. Deep. Would I consider surgery? Yes. I am considering surgery. But not plastic, not a boob job, a boob lift. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:00 I'm not there yet, but possibly in the future I would have a boob lift. I used to say this when I was 30. I'd be like, yeah, probably when I'm 40 I'll have a boob lift. And now I'm here, I'm like, hmm. Is it time? But I wouldn't want a boob job. No. You wouldn't want implants. Extra fun bags. I wouldn't want extra fun bags. But I know people that have had it and look fucking fantastic. For me, it's a bit like a weave
Starting point is 00:24:25 it's like if you want it and you're gonna make it look nice go on but I I don't think they'd look right on me they'd probably look lopsided like my weave did yeah no I don't I think it's each to their own I don't think that there's like a one size fits all literally in terms of like attitudes towards surgery I think yeah there are also like other reasons you know people lose their boobs when they've had uh breast cancer right like and who is who to say that you shouldn't have x you know ones put back in or whatever like i mean i just think it's your body do it do what the hell you want can we have the last question on today's episode of listen bitch hi lillian makita it's claire here in east london um boobs is a bit of a specialist subject for me i'm a nurse by background and when i was 33 i was diagnosed with breast cancer
Starting point is 00:25:17 i saw a little dimple and then felt a lump in my boob and I was just looking in the mirror one day and noticed it thankfully and I'm now fully in the clear. So my question for you both is, do you check your boobs and do you know what to look for? Bye. So I don't know if I do know necessarily what to look for but I last year when I was doing my play in London I I felt what I thought was um a lump and I went to my doctor and he referred me to a specialist and I went to the specialist and he checked out my my left boob and was like uh I don't think that this is anything to worry about but I've just felt something in your right boob that I do think is something to worry about. And I'd like to do an emergency biopsy right now.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Jesus. And I was like, huh? And I was quite shocked by the whole thing. And also I didn't quite realize how invasive a biopsy was. So I- Well, I spoke to you that day and you had a show that night. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And you were like, I've got to do this before. And I didn't, I had no idea that it was so serious and he went I went into this other room and they did the biopsy um missed and then did a second biopsy on it um and it was really really effing painful and um what do they do in a biopsy it's like a huge needle that goes into you and it like scoops out a sample from the lump right and then they send it off to the lab to go and get tested and um anyway so they did they finally got the sample that they needed and then um he was like you know putting the dressing back on it and he was like now i just want you to take
Starting point is 00:27:02 it really easy for the next 24 to 48 hours. I was like, oh, okay. I wish you'd said that before because I've got to be on stage in three hours being beaten the shit out of by two middle-aged men. You've been kicked about quite a lot. Terrible timing. And yeah, and then I had to tell Paul Kay,
Starting point is 00:27:19 who was my co-star in The Pillow Man, that he couldn't beat me up quite as harshly as he had been up until that point but luckily i didn't have um uh breast cancer it came back and it was negative i've just had a friend going through it since the beginning of last year uh you know her and she's i think 46 and she just got married for fuck's sake we just had her wedding but she's all clear now but she had you know she yeah done mastectomy and it's been a hell of a thing to watch your friend go through actually did she have chemo yes how did that make her feel god awful exhausted yeah yes my friend said that even just like looking at something was um unbelievably tiring and painful like i think
Starting point is 00:28:06 this is why i was saying that boobs last week when i sort of made boobs the theme is that it it's strange because you get older and your relationship to your breasts become very different because they could be something that could kill you and when i check because i do check for our lovely caller um claire uh thank you claire for sharing that what you're what you've been through i'm happy you're all clear now i do check now and i i i had to call some friends and be like what am i checking for exactly because boobs get lumpy especially around your period and it's confusing especially when you're looking for something it's like it's not a fun hunt it's not an easter hunt you're like i'm just looking for something that might terrify me so much
Starting point is 00:28:45 that I think I have cancer in this part of my body that might kill me. It's a really strange, difficult, terrifying process to check your breasts. But I'm now militant with it. And I have mammograms. I was so scared about my last mammogram, which is obviously when they scan your boobs and check that everything's all right. And I was all right. And I walked out of, like, you know, a Homerton hospital,
Starting point is 00:29:06 walking down a street. I walked down every single fucking day and thought, God, this walk could be very different. That's something I've been thinking about a lot. The way our relationship with our breasts changes as we get older. They become so many different things. It's not just, do they look nice in this top? Actually, Claire is a nurse,
Starting point is 00:29:25 so is qualified to tell people exactly what to do when they are checking their breasts, where we are not qualified. So let's hear the rest of the question from Claire. What you need to be aware of is any changes to your boobs. So you need to be aware of any kind of dimpling, any lumps, obviously, any thickening, any changes to the nipple and nipple inversion if it feels pulled in. Personally, my lump that ended up being breast cancer, it kind of looked like it was being
Starting point is 00:29:58 pulled in from the inside because it was, it sort of looked like a bit like puckering. But it kind of felt kind of clearly hard when i compared it with the other one um so the other one felt kind of nice and squishy um but um the boob that had the lump in it definitely felt like an area of hardness i wouldn't have said that i'd been able to feel a lump necessarily but it just felt like an area of hardness okay love the podcast bye love claire it's nice of claire to get the whole the whole world a bit more informationalized about this thank you claire i was wrong that's not our last question we're gonna have one more question lily and makita thank you for listen bitch i'm really enjoying it my My name's Jasmine. I'm calling from sunny Cornwall and
Starting point is 00:30:45 My question regarding boobs is this When is it appropriate to buy your daughter a bra? My daughter is going to be nine this year and I have a very vivid memory of being a Child and not wearing a bra in the changing room at school and being really embarrassed by it. I've always had no boobs. My mum just didn't think I needed one so she never got me one and I don't want her to grow up and have the same experience as I did so I don't know when it's appropriate to take your child bra shopping, or whether that's just not the done thing.
Starting point is 00:31:27 I really hope they still have training bras, because that was for this awkward little bit in the middle. This was sort of like 9 to 11, because my boobs just went at 11, and I was like, what the hell is going on? And we did a classic M&S trip, babe. Does that still exist? It does. I actually went and did an M&S trip with one of mine the other day
Starting point is 00:31:47 to do just this stuff. Boob sizing? No, this is for the training bras. Oh, yeah, yeah. Whenever I come back to London, I always go. I don't like the pants, bras and socks situation here in America so much. So whenever we come back to London, we go to Oxford Street. There are, of course, other vendors where you can buy bras and socks and pants from anyway I came to England uh to do some work last year and while I
Starting point is 00:32:14 was away a nanny that um no longer works with us took it upon herself to take my children out and do that trip, the first one, without me. And I came home and they were suddenly wearing training bras. And I was quite upset. Oh, my God. That's not even like taking them for their first haircut. That's deep shit. I was pretty angry about it. Transitional stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:43 So how old were they last year? So 10 and 11 you did this? It would have been exactly a year ago, yeah. So go for it if your daughter's nine. It's just training bras first, and then you move into the next step. Unless you've got a nine-year-old that's got, you know, a massive pair of whappers, in which case she might need to, you know, bypass the training bra and go straight for the real thing.
Starting point is 00:33:09 Whappers, was that the last one on your list? Yeah, I don't know if I really want to use whappers in relation to an 11-year-old, but anyway, there you go. I did it. She's nine. Lily, you want to end on your favorite word for breasts or just the one you've got left? Bazoombas. It's not my favorite.
Starting point is 00:33:35 My favorite is fun bags and always will be. Okay. And mine is, I think I'm going to go for titties. No, that's a lie. I can't even say it. Rub on your titties. Yeah, I said it. to go for titties. No, that's a lie. I can't even say it. Rub on your titties. Yeah, I said it. Rub on your titties.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Titties is so R&B video. Titties. It's good. But I'm just not, I'm not very R&B video. So I'm going to stick to boobs. Boobles? Not boobies. Boobs.
Starting point is 00:34:00 But thank you. It was nice to open that up and remember that breasts affect us all and mean different things to all of us. Okay. Next week's theme is influence. Ah, influence. I don't really know what that means. You know what?
Starting point is 00:34:24 While we were away, these people went, so you guys are influences to me and my mom. I don't really know what that means. You know what? Wow, we're going to explore it. When we were away, these people went, so you guys are influencers to me and my mum. My mum was like, no, we're not. We're broadcasters. And then Kelly goes, well, maybe you're broadcasters with influence. And I was like, okay, influence. And when you say influence, Lily, Shmilly, or Billy,
Starting point is 00:34:42 what do you mean? Well, I think it's open to however anyone wants to interpret it. What does the word influence mean to everyone? Yeah. I want to hear what your relationship to that word is in 2024. And do send your questions about influence to 08000... 08000 08000 30, 40, 90
Starting point is 00:35:07 You've got to sing it, otherwise you forget it. 0800030, 40, 90 Alright, I'll see you later babes. Bye! Thanks for listening to Miss Me with Lily Allen and Makita Oliver. This is a Persephonica production for BBC Sounds. If you've been affected by any of the issues raised in this episode,
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