Modern Wisdom - #335 - Nicole Arbour - Dating, Haters & Mental Health

Episode Date: June 17, 2021

Nicole Arbour is a comedian and YouTuber. Nicole has been through her fair share of controversy, so what insights has she gained from a decade of public attention, haters, success and failure? Expect ...to learn what Nicole discovered after 10 years of chronic pain, what Americans Canadians and Brits can learn from each other, why Canadian politeness has ben weaponised, what the right are getting wrong, how to deal with criticism, Nicole's dating advice to her younger self and much more... Sponsors: Get 10% discount on your first month from BetterHelp at https://betterhelp.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 3.0 at https://www.manscaped.com/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Follow Nicole on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ibnicolearbour Follow Nicole on Twitter - https://twitter.com/NicoleArbour Follow Nicole on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE7faqz-mqjbUa4UaMZGAvw  Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch. Join the discussion with me and other like minded listeners in the episode comments on the MW YouTube Channel or message me... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ModernWisdomPodcast Email: https://www.chriswillx.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's happening people? Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Nicole Arbor. She's a comedian and a YouTuber. Nicole has been through her fair share of controversy. So what insights is she gained from a decade of public attention, haters, success and failure? Today, I expect to learn what Nicole discovered after ten years of chronic pain, what Americans, Canadians and Brits can learn from each other, why Canadian politeness has been weaponized, years of chronic pain. What Americans, Canadians and Brits can learn from each other. Why Canadian politeness has been weaponized, what the right are getting wrong, how to deal with criticism, Nicole's dating advice to her younger self, and much more. It's cool to see a different side of someone that's a comedian. I think this is one of the best ways to kind of sit
Starting point is 00:00:40 them down and delve into what drives someone to be funny and to try and have a message and get it across and energize other people to get on board with it. Nicole's, she's an interesting girl. She's got a lot more going on than I think most people give her credit for and I'm really glad that I got to sit down and dig into a very different side of her the new see on her Instagram and on news articles posted by TMZ. But now it is time for the wild and wonderful, Nicole Laba. Nicole Abba, I'll get in the show. Yay, thanks for having me. My pleasure. Is this the easiest time in the world to find inspiration for comedy? Because all that you have to do is just read headlines.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Yes, 100%. 100%. I'm so overwhelmed with how much material there is. I'm almost frozen on the spot. It's there is I'm almost like frozen on the spot It's like my fighter flight is like for comedy right now. There's so much It's weird right because you guys haven't been able to do much live stuff and everyone that's been doing things on the internet It's kind of made sense because it's all internet stories and then internet commentary Yep, I think it's great because I started doing the online stuff
Starting point is 00:02:03 Yep, I think it's great because I started doing the online stuff Five probably six years ago and all my stand-up friends were making fun of me They were like, hmm, that's not real comedy That's not and then they were all forced to do it during the pandemic And now they get it and they get how fun it is and they get that we can reach a bigger audience So I was there first and now you have endless content. Yeah Yeah, it's mental it really is well, I guess because in the UK we see some of the stuff that trickles through from America, right? And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:30 It must feel like every single day, there's far too much for you to even comment on. There is. That's why I have to stop and focus myself and go, okay, wait, what project am I actually working on? Because I can go on Twitter and be there all day and just make fun of these headlines or make TikToks or make whatever it is. So I have to I have to focus myself. Here's something. The mortgage board right now. I've comedy. Yeah, the world is. Something that I realized a couple of weeks ago because I listened to a good bit
Starting point is 00:02:57 of the daily wire and I'm made to some of the producers there which I know you're in Nashville right that's the hometown now for them. And it hasn't felt like they've had to come up with anything to talk about for about a year. Like they're just constantly being, because people don't like being called reactionaries. But when there's more stuff to react to, then there is stuff for you to talk about from your side.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Do you understand? It really feels like the left is kind of throwing everything they have at the world and then the right is just playing defense at the moment. I agree with you on that, but I don't think it's the right tactic personally. And I've had that discussion with some of the people at Daily Wire. I actually feel like conservatives as a whole right now aren't necessarily playing the best game that can be played if we're cool to get into that. Yeah, I don't think being on defense constantly is smart at all, you should be on offense.
Starting point is 00:03:50 And I think that we're leading by being defensive which doesn't work. And if we want people on our team, we should stop shrieking and screaming at people and telling everyone how much they suck all day every day and be awesome fucking people. And then they'll wanna be part of what you're part of. It's kind of like Christians who are wearing necklaces and having bumper stickers but they're assholes in real life. If you're a
Starting point is 00:04:12 bit more Christlike or like a cool person then people will be like, yo what are you about? And then you can tell them about your religion. But I think conservative is right now like the whole game needs to shift and maybe it's new coaches needs to come in, maybe it's new coaches needs to come in, maybe it's new influencers, maybe it's someone like myself that doesn't wanna be shrinking and screaming all day. And I don't think that's the only representation
Starting point is 00:04:33 of conservative women or libertarian women. And I think we can be awesome and be friends and work with liberals. And that's the way to bring people over to our side is by being so awesome they want to be on our team. And yeah, those are my thoughts. It's easy though, right? It's like the... If you were picking a fight with someone, you would always pick the easiest fight because you know that it's going to make you look the best.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Or if you're going to have a dance off with somebody, you'd pick the person that was the worst dancer. I want the best. I want to beat the best. But that's because you're a cheerleader. So I think that's an unfair fight. But my point is, it's always just the easy. Everyone's getting baited out. Everybody on the right is getting baited out with stupid stories from the left. But it's causing the right to never make any progress because it's constantly just batting
Starting point is 00:05:18 back against what's coming from the other side. Yes. Imagine we stopped giving attention to their stupidity and just started making awesome shit. How about that? What would also some shit look like? Oh gosh, TV, films, movies, music, being awesome and also being conservative. To me, it's like likened to even gay pride month, which is going on right now. There's people who are like, I am gay, and that's their personality.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Or you can just be awesome and be amazing at what you do and talent it in a good human. And also be gay, which will make a lot more people comfortable with gay people if they weren't in the first place. I just, I really, really think, from a strategy point, we're not doing it right right now. The right's not doing it right, but who am I to just observe from the outside
Starting point is 00:06:08 and step in newly? You are a new resident of Nashville, so I think you've got just as much right as anyone else. Is that the Mimi Me Society? What you just said there? The Mimi Me Society a little bit. Yeah, there's a little bit of that. What is it, for the people that aren't initiated?
Starting point is 00:06:23 What is it? The Mimi Me Society is the, you have to care about who I sleep with. You have to care about what pronouns I want to call myself. You have to care where I want to put my dick where I all of my personal things you have to care about me and make sure during your day that you are acknowledging everything that I want to be and be known for. And instead of just being a good human. Like everyone's so obsessed, not everyone, but so many people are so obsessed with, you have to call me this and you need to care about
Starting point is 00:06:51 who I'm sleeping with, you have to care about all my little idiosyncrasies of my life. No, they don't, they don't have to care about you. Get over it, make cool shit, be a good person, go on with your life. That's the thing. Why do you think that people have bothered about that now? Give me a thesis on that.
Starting point is 00:07:05 My thesis is it's easier to complain that you're not getting attention for things that aren't attention worthy than to make something that deserves attention. Yeah, that's my thesis. It's a lot harder to create amazing art and things of value than it is to say, why aren't you giving me attention for who I put my dick in? You know? I don't personally have a dick, but if I did. You'd be saying it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I read Pilled Michael Nulls on this the other day. I would tell you the same thing. Have you heard of the inner citadel? Do you know what this is? Uh-oh. Okay, so it is a way of looking at the world where when you fail to win a game, you decide to claim that the rules should have been changed so that they fit around what you can do. So if you can't get what you want, you have to teach yourself to want what you can get.
Starting point is 00:08:00 So for instance, let's say that you lose a leg or something, you can try and fix a leg and get it back on. And then if you can't fix the leg, you say that the desire for legs is misguided and that everybody else that wants legs is completely wrong. The point is we see this with people who are overweight, perhaps. They struggle to lose weight and then they'll say, well, the entire world's idea of health and body standards is completely like misinterpreted. Or we see this a lot in the sort of progressive psychedelic culture where someone will really struggle to maintain a monogamous relationship, then declare that monogamous relationships are for suckers anyway. So I'm going to go poly. I have a relationship with her way. Yeah. Well,, is it that or is it just the fact that you really struggle to find someone
Starting point is 00:08:48 that you can work with or maybe you struggle to remain faithful to somebody? So that's the retreat to the inner citadel and it seems like it's with this as well. It's like, look, I should be liked because I have talent, but I don't have talent, therefore the world doesn't like me because of one of these particular grievances. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, I think that's exactly what's out. You're correct. 1000%. That's exactly what's happening.
Starting point is 00:09:12 And it's so easy, isn't it? To just not actually do anything but complain. Gosh, that's an easy way to get a trophy. I am the greatest complainer on the internet. All of you are doing life wrong. You should bow down to me. And if you don't do exactly what I want and you hurt my feelings, you're a bad person can't fool you. Haha, I win. What a stupid game. Why are we playing it with these people?
Starting point is 00:09:33 Like, that's what brings me back to what I think the right is doing wrong. Why are we playing this game with these people? For what? There's no winning this game. They're going to keep moving the goalpost, and it keeps getting stupider and stupider as if that's a word. Yes. Roll the clock forward then. What happens next? Oh, in my perfect world? Okay, in my perfect world, conservatives and libertarians would stop playing stupid.
Starting point is 00:09:59 They would declare, uh, sure, white flag, you guys win. We're horrible. You're right. All right. good luck. And then we will just make our own films. We will not cancel each other, no matter what. Because Grace is a virtue that I think we need to have more of. Even if someone says something disgusting 10 years ago,
Starting point is 00:10:18 we say, hey, that was kind of gross 10 years ago. And then they go, oh yeah, that was gross 10 years ago. And you go, okay, cool, don't do that again. Sweet. And then we move on. And we create culture. We make films and art and sports. And we let sports be about sport again, and not about kneeling or who pretends to be woke, but actually supports Communist China abroad, James. You know, we just bring people back to being people and just let them play their games and just laugh at them like children having temper tantrums
Starting point is 00:10:50 because that's what they are. Or we're giving way too much effort to a kid having a temper tantrum. When moms know, when you start ignoring that part, if it's not for a good reason, if you just ignore it, they'll stop, they'll cry themselves out and they'll, okay, I'm back to playing. It's like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Have you seen in the UK at the moment that the players taking, so it was an England game a couple of days ago, the players took a knee for BLM at the start, the game, the entire stadium booed. And then again, yesterday, it happened, and it was really loud. And they took a knee for 15 seconds. 15 seconds of booing is really awkward. And
Starting point is 00:11:26 the commentators don't know what to say, but yeah, that's the response in the UK at the moment. Is that happening in the US? I don't think so, not from what I've seen. They aren't really doing it that much anymore because they got booed so many times from what I observed. Yeah, I haven't seen that lately, but I saw that NBA's ratings go right on down. I saw, I had a friend actually compare, but I saw that NBA's ratings go right on down. I saw, I had a friend actually compare my personal ratings to NBA ratings, and I was beating the NBA multiple weeks in a row with views, which is ridiculous when you think that's stupid. What is 2021?
Starting point is 00:11:59 But yeah, I haven't seen it that much here, but it's just stupid. It's stupid at this point. We all know BLM is a stupid organization where they have kept most of the money. There's so much fraud within it. Of course, Black Lives Matter that goes without saying. And if there's anything we can do to help people rectify poor situations, let's do that.
Starting point is 00:12:17 But taking a need does nothing. Let's stop the virtue signal off. You know what I mean? It's like, how many virtues can we signal today? That's the real sport now. It's just dumb. Well, I don't know. Given the fact that the country it originated in, and the incident that sort of kicked it all off has had it to go as anniversary now, if the country that it started in has stopped taking in me, why is the UK still doing it? Because if you take a knee, you are so important, and you are better than everyone who didn't take a knee. I can't believe you didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:12:53 You're not a good person for not knowing that. I am five or two, a better person for no. Significantly, significantly better person. Yeah. But I mean, there's also to stuff at the moment, there's still black lives matter, logos on the side of the time bar, at the top of the, the top of the score on the, on the TV, there's different pop-ups and stuff that go on, but there has to be a point in which it, that stops happening. Like, it can't happen for the, well, I mean, it could happen for the rest of time, but it would be like, you know, in 50 years. So there has to be a point in which it, it does stop. But apparently, not yet. How about now? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Sky Sports, are you listening? Yeah. Sky Sports, come on now. I have, I made videos about this while it was going down in the first uprising of BLM. And I do feel like so many people have so many valid points, obviously, but I'm not into complaining or putting on a show of the virtue signal without having ways to solve problems. And that's just the kind of person I am. It gets me in trouble.
Starting point is 00:13:53 I'm like, OK, how do we fix it? Sometimes people just want to complain. But I'm like, OK, no, but how do we fix it so we can move on? And these banners don't fix anything. It's a little back pat, a little acknowledgement. But OK, things have gone horribly wrong in these certain areas. What do you guys need?
Starting point is 00:14:10 What do we do? How do we help? That's all I care about. Anything else? I'm just like, be quiet. Well, I guess there's a player as well. There's going to be so much pressure. You're going to think, oh God, if I'm the one
Starting point is 00:14:20 that doesn't take any, especially if the rest of the team are, so you have this sort of crowd mentality that's also creeping in there. That would be very strange because you know that they would be the headline in every newspaper the next day, the one person. Racist player. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it would be great if it was a black person who did it. Wow. That I think that would be the change.
Starting point is 00:14:42 If one black player didn't take the knee and they're like this is dumb. What are we doing? That's the ultimate right? Have you spent any time in the UK? Yes, I love it so much. I love it so much. I recorded a bunch of music there. I've been I'd say to most of the hot spots so lots of time in London Manchester through there, obviously. The Isle of Wright was a music festival I went to, which was so much fun.
Starting point is 00:15:12 And I got to see Rod Stewart perform. And everyone knew how much I loved Rod Stewart. And it was a big deal. Everyone just turned and looked at me when he went on stage because I was losing my shit. He was so good. And you wouldn't think that. He was amazing.
Starting point is 00:15:30 Yeah, I've been to a whole bunch of different parts in the UK and I freaking love it. Canadians and Brits are so similar in so many ways, very similar sense of humor, dry wit that I love. Yeah, I love me some Costa cookies too. You guys have such good cookies that cost it. Like right when I land, I go to Costa. I'm like, give me your cookie. It's weird that one of the things that we can beat America and Canada on is fast food or like convenience foods, but apparently, apparently we've got that down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Yes, I think that the Brits and the Canadians have a fair bit in common. Do you think much about kind of, obviously, you've got, I guess, cultural leaders in the West, Canada, the UK, and America? Do you ever think about kind of, obviously you've got, I guess, cultural leaders in the West, Canada, the UK and America. Do you ever think about sort of the differences and the little quirks and the similarities between them? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:14 What I've noticed, like being Canadian and then moving to America is that there's so much fighting in America because they take themselves too seriously. Like individual people choose to be offended whereas a Brit or a Canadian would laugh at the exact same thing. So you guys, you know, you take the piss, which I love. That's why I love people in the UK, because you all take the piss and it's so much fun. And the same as Canada, I was talking to a friend the other day
Starting point is 00:16:42 and we're like, we grew up different. Like, we would mock the crap out of each other every day, every different race, every ethnicity. We're all in the same class. My friends were Jamaican and from Trinidad and from everywhere. And we would make racist jokes to each other's faces. They'd call me a honky or a cracker or whatever. And that laughed.
Starting point is 00:17:03 And I grew up on this in some sense. And I feel like America somehow lost that. Like they somehow lost the ability to laugh at themselves or a lot of Americans did, specifically one group of people. But yeah, that I think is the difference within it. And I do want us to bring that back. I feel like taking yourself too seriously is a mental illness at this point. Like just chill, you're not that important. Your feelings aren't that important to everybody.
Starting point is 00:17:32 And that's, yeah. That's what I think happened. That's a really interesting one. I was having a chat with a buddy who's now living in Nashville actually a couple of weeks ago. And he was saying, he's a British guy, and we were talking about the fact that as a young person growing up in the UK, if you do stuff that's different, if you decide that you're going to move out to
Starting point is 00:17:51 Nashville to start a business or if you start acting or dancing or modeling or drawing or poetry or whatever, the piss taking can really nerf the edges of your creativity. So it's great because people don't take themselves too seriously, but it also dampens down a lot. So you get tall, poppy syndrome, like very, very badly in the UK, especially because there's a lot of Manchester working class town, Newcastle, where I'm from working class town. Perhaps a little bit less in London because it's a bit more cosmopolitan and people are the world and stuff. But yeah, the dark side of that of the piss taking and not taking stuff too seriously is that you don't have the American, you can be whatever you want to be, gas your friends up, the support and the yes, Jimmy,
Starting point is 00:18:37 little Jimmy, you can go and do it type thing. I understand that that causes in later life people to feel like they're owed something and to struggle when they don't get success that they feel is deserved. But in earlier life definitely in the UK, both me and my buddy said the tall poppy syndroms pretty real. So I think that you need a balance of the two. What's it like in Canada? I think that'd be fantastic to balance those two. I think Canada is, the politeness is a real thing. So it is. I actually think it's cowardice at this point though. We can circle back to that, which point you want me to go on? Those are two different
Starting point is 00:19:20 roads. Where you want me to go? First one.'ll stand the first one in Canada it was uh yeah you can do whatever you want if you go to America oh shit like that's how I grew up was believing in the American dreams our culture our film our everything was like be whatever you want over the border yeah go over border. You've made it if you go to America. It was never you can make it in Canada, ever, like in music and entertainment and anything. So it was, yeah, you do as much as you can here and then get out of here if you want to do it. Export yourself. How weird.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Yeah, that was the whole thing. When I got my US visa, like my entertainment visa to work in America and be a legal immigrant, it was a big deal. It was like a super proud moment of my life. Because I was like, I did the thing. Now I can start, yeah, exactly. Yeah. What about the politeness?
Starting point is 00:20:19 I've always prided myself on being a polite Canadian and traveling to Europe and across the world and people knew I was Canadian before I said I was Canadian and I loved that. But during the pandemic, I believe our politeness has equated to cowardice. And every time we should have stood up, we didn't because we're being polite.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Every time the government told us something that's absolute freaking nonsense. We're still in lockdown in many places in Canada. We didn't stand up because no, no, no, we don't want to cause trouble. Well, no, that's being a coward. That's not being polite. And now that you've been a coward for a year, your businesses are gone. Your friends' businesses are gone. Your kids are having mental health problems. All of these things crumbled around you because you were being polite. Yeah, I'm not in Canada right now because I'm quite certain I'd lead a revolution
Starting point is 00:21:08 and get arrested pretty quick. I swear, I swear to you, I would just have none of it. A friend of mine yesterday, she was on a set working on a feature film. They found out that she had been in America in a few weeks since, like before that rather. And she had an antibody's test, and she did have COVID antibodies.
Starting point is 00:21:28 She had three COVID tests all came back negative. They surrounded her, kicked her offset, and threatened to kick her out of the actors union because she had been in America weeks prior. Not because she has COVID, but she put people at risk because she had been in America. Like, that's just stupid. You're being stupid. I don't know how to play that. I just... I don't know how to play stupid with these Canadians right now.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And every time I'm like, stand up, they're like, no, we're good. It's kind of a quite procedural because one of the things that I see in the UK were quite orderly. We tend to... If you look at a queue of people outside, they'll all stand there sort of in a relatively orderly manner. You guys love to queue, you love it. I could just set up a queue anywhere and you guys would just let them know. For nothing, yeah. I've always thought it'd be good
Starting point is 00:22:15 if there was a queue appreciation society. And people literally queued up for nothing and then high-fived at the end. I'm like, that was awesome, we've got to go again. And then just go back to the queue and then keep on doing that. You can see that I've been a club promoter for a long time that I love cues. Yeah, cues.
Starting point is 00:22:29 I love that about you guys that you love cues. But Canadians, it was fantastic at the beginning of COVID that we were so procedural because I was there and I saw the mass chaos in America, people fighting over groceries and stuff, and then I went to our grocery stores where everyone, you didn't even have to ask them. They were lined up perfectly spaced out. There was a toilet paper display at the front with a joke on it, like don't worry, we have lots.
Starting point is 00:22:55 There's classical music playing in the grocery store to calm everyone down and everyone's being extra polite. It was utopia, but you know, six months in when we're realizing COVID isn't exactly what we were told, and I can't convince my friends otherwise because procedure, procedure, it's, oh, you can't think for yourself. That's a problem. That's a problem.
Starting point is 00:23:15 That's so interesting, because we think all of the stuff that we're talking about here, something that's good or cool or interesting, has a dark side to it on the other end, right? Whether you're talking about, yes, yeah, precisely. Yeah, whether you're talking about the orderliness of the UK and Canada, which means that at least in the beginning, it gives you more procedure, but then on the other side, it makes you more compliant. All the fact that in the UK and candy, you don't take yourselves too seriously, but you get told poppy syndrome or in
Starting point is 00:23:41 America, it's like, it's like people, right? There's no one that you know that's got all of their attributes maxed out at 100 for every 100 that they've got. They've got something that compensates for it. Oh, for sure. I think that's what's great about people. And that's why I'm so against cancel culture, is oh, we expect everyone to be perfect
Starting point is 00:24:02 to your likeness of perfection at all times. Got it in perfect person. Got it. Like, I think of tweets, for example, that I wrote 10 years ago when I was on pain killers. Like hardcore pain killers, just to survive and nerve damage and things. I tweeted crazy shit that I thought at the time made sense. Rose on ball stuff? Oh probably. Rose and should have never been canceled. That wouldn't really piss me off. Yeah, she was on drugs and she didn't know that the
Starting point is 00:24:36 woman who looks visibly white was black. That's a really strange reason to cancel someone. But with myself, when I was in a lot of physical or emotional pain, I would post negative things. And sometimes it would have been the same as I would have done in stand-up, that it's kind of like heckling the crowd back or like poke in front of the crowd. But I couldn't do that, so I'd do it on Twitter. And out of context, you can take anything out of context
Starting point is 00:25:03 and then label someone a horrible human being. So I just think it's it's just stupid and it's for people who completely lack grace or humanity that be trying to cancel people over anything. My thoughts. So you had this huge back injury, which is where that chronic pain for a long time came from. Can you tell us that story? Sure. 2008, I was in the middle of shooting a feature film. My first thought I was a larger role in and I had a whole bunch of other ones booked. And my one night off went to go do some karaoke, got out of a taxi, and we were rear-ended as I was halfway
Starting point is 00:25:41 under the cab. So my body was completely twisted. I was halfway getting out, crossing my legs like a lady. And we got hit pretty hard from behind, which meant that my spine jutted into my nerves all the way down, because I was twisted. And head injury, neck injuries, TMJ so bad, I-
Starting point is 00:26:01 What's TMJ? The joint in here, like the jaw jaw pain where you clench so bad because you're in a lot of pain or I don't know the exact word of it or was TMJ, but it's the jaw thing. So basically I was sleeping I wasn't so much nerve pain and chronic pain that I was cracking my own teeth in my sleep and swallowing them. I know disgusting. Yeah, I would wake up missing teeth. It was, yeah, bodies are strange. My SI joint, like near your hips, it was crooked, lower back pain was the worst because it shot down my feet and into my legs. And when you combine all of those things to get, and then from the neck it shoots down your arms, so I claw hands for a long time.
Starting point is 00:26:48 When you combine all of that, plus the cognitive issues I had from the head injury, it was disaster for almost a decade. And I struggled to live, and then I struggled to work, I struggled to communicate, and then eventually I ended up on disability, living at my grandma's house on the floor. And that's where I spent. Good part of seven years, which is crazy, because I lost a lot of my life.
Starting point is 00:27:15 And I smile when I say this story now, because I do think it's the best thing that ever happened to me, because I learned so much about getting back up. And I know that it's my legacy now is that I went through all of that and wanting to commit suicide, not because I didn't wanna keep going,
Starting point is 00:27:32 but because of the actual physical chronic pain, it's maddening. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Nerve pain is maddening, waking up, not knowing my address, not knowing where a person, why my purse is in the fridge, or just all, it's a trip. It's a trip when you have a head injury that bad, that you're in your head, and you know you have a head injury. Like my real voice was in there, and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:27:58 Nicole, you're not okay, that's fucked up. You just put your purse in the fridge. You have a head injury, but then I couldn't function. But I went through all these things and I feel like I just had the last step in all of it recently, because I had a surgery to remove the scar tissue from around my back. And I felt like a different person on that surgery table. And I had one of those weird surgery moments
Starting point is 00:28:24 that people talk about where I could just like feel the trauma coming off me. And it was very interesting. I decided to stay awake at the last second. And I was supposed to be put out. And I literally at the last second, I was like, you know, I think I want to stay awake and they'll just, they all really sedated me instead. And I didn't watch what they were doing because that's gross. But the doctor was like such a happy person and the nurses were happy and they were playing like rock music and pop music, like super loud while they're operating. And just watching these really happy people that love their job, take this stuff out of
Starting point is 00:29:04 me. I just felt like I was finally closing a chapter and I could literally feel it coming off of me. And I swear I could hear God. I don't know what you believe in, but I could hear God be like, okay, here you go. Let's go. I was like, oh shit. It's go time. How many procedures have you had then since the accident? That was my only operation because I said no to all of them. Because I knew that the downtime would be bananas. I did things like every treatment you can think of that wasn't surgery, I have done.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I mean, all of it. Everything from like physio to nerve block injections, which I really think saved my life. Nerve blocks, have you ever done them? For those of you who don't know, they take a needle, hopefully the one from Japan, because it's thin, it's about this long, and they inject you throughout your nerves with the same stuff that they put in your teeth at the dentist to freeze you. So it's super painful to get it done, and you probably probably go into there's a good chance you go into shock I went to shock multiple times after it was done. They can't sedate you sufficiently to Stop you from being able to fill that
Starting point is 00:30:14 Well, I'm awake when they do it. So you're usually awake when you do it. I had to do it so often I don't know. That's just the way they did it. Okay. Because yeah, I don't know, I didn't even get the option. No one in this clinic got the option of going under. But I'd go into this clinic, they'd be like, are you ready for this? I'm like, let's go. It's like an X-Men hospital. And they would inject me throughout my body and in my jaw, in my neck, and down, back and stuff.
Starting point is 00:30:43 It was every three months for quite a while. It was closer together at the beginning, and then it would last a bit longer, a bit longer, but I had to mentally prepare to, okay, your body might go into shock, get ready. What happens when you go into shock? You start shaking uncontrollably, my jaw would chatter. Like your whole body couldn't convulse.
Starting point is 00:31:03 They have to strap you to the gurney type of thing. But it's just because you hit a level of physical pain that your body's just like, what's happening out? And then I think it like took me to a different level of consciousness actually, where I just interpret things differently now. And I wrote one full song that's going to come out soon while that was happening. I wrote the whole thing in my head I saw the music video and it's gonna come out soon. It was kind of cool. Shit the bed. Okay, so you're going through this you manage to get yourself to the stage where what halfway through you
Starting point is 00:31:38 Enable there's no sort of future ahead. You don't think that you're gonna get any better Thank you for leading me in this story because I I'm really awful at telling it, because there's so many details. I got to the point where the doctors gave me a disability certificate for life, which is a love of Canada. No, I ripped it up. I ripped it up that day that I got pissed. It might be somewhere in my like in my documents, but I ripped it up.
Starting point is 00:32:05 That's a pretty boss mayor. Thanks. Like that was my moment of fuck this, fuck no, and I'm gonna get better. And they told me like it's really hard to get a disability certificate in Canada, which means the government's gonna pay you for life to live, because they don't believe you can have meaningful employment or do it consistently. because they don't believe you can have meaningful employment or do it consistently. And when I got that, I just lost my shit and I just went, no, this is not my life. This is not the end of my life. And I took myself to a bookstore with a tiny little bit of money that I had that I scraped from inside of a couch and changed from my purses. And I bought a Louis Hay book, which I had never heard
Starting point is 00:32:46 of Louis hay. And I just went, you can heal your life. Okay, let's try that. And I got another Louis hay book and a little candle. And I just went on this crazy journey of extreme positivity. I put sticky notes all over my entire house that were like you can do it. You look better every day. Your nerves are healing. You're amazing everywhere I could see them. So every time I'd have a negative thought, it would be automatically countered and it works. I remember that I'm a cheerleader, which I know you've seen a bit of my talk on that, is
Starting point is 00:33:21 I wasn't a model anymore because I couldn't do acting. I couldn't do any of the things that I'd known myself to be my whole life. But I have a cheerleader and that has nothing to do with my palms or dancing or anything. That's who I fucking am. I want to remember that. I was like, let's go. Biggest cheer in my life. And I started literally cheering myself back to life and prepped myself that there will be bad days. For every good day I'd have, I'd have five to 10 bad days
Starting point is 00:33:50 and I'm ready for it. And I would have charts and I would give myself ticks for good things that I would do. And okay, you did physio and you didn't pass out after. Yeah, you did. And I took out all the negativity. I stopped watching the news, no horror movies, no CSI, no negative podcasts, none of it.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Cut it all out, flooded myself with motivation, positivity, inspiration, tons of sermons, every single day, which I still do. And it started to work. And I did all the alternative therapies, but it was a mindset shift that I will not, also this is so important for people.
Starting point is 00:34:26 I fired and I say fired because I believe you've hired fire your medical team. I fired every doctor who said I wouldn't get better. And I was like, you're wrong. And then I left. And I only had people on my medical team who believed I could get better and who were supporting me in that journey. And I think we all need to do that. And I think doctors who tell people they won't get better need to not be doctors anymore because it's a really big mental challenge to overcome when you hear it from a medical professional. And having a team around me that were like, okay, well,
Starting point is 00:35:00 you do this. I went on a strict alkaline diet. Like, yep, let's do it. Information went down. I started with all different kinds of supplements to help with my mind healing. I stopped looking at screens a lot during the day because my mind literally my brain needed to heal. I did everything I had to do and now I'm back. And yeah, having gone through that, like, I'm fireproof. I walk through the fire.
Starting point is 00:35:26 So I know we were maybe gonna talk about this, but when I get haters online, it can hurt my feels, my little girl feels for a second, but I'm like, bitch, I've been through real pain. This ain't it. Like, this is not real pain. I have been in shock. I have crushed my own teeth.
Starting point is 00:35:44 You saying fake, untrue things about me to try and hurt my career because you see me as a competitor does not do it. You will not stop me. And I think it's kind of cool that I've been through that and I can help other people get through their shit now because you can do it. It's one of the best ways to transcend suffering, right? You do, you go through something, it's terrible, it's awful. And then you realize, hang in a second, that's now set the bar for whatever anything in future. This is what I say to people that suffer with depression. Like, look, you've been really, really badly depressed, and you've been the architect of your own misery, right? If you've been your own torturer,
Starting point is 00:36:19 you can walk out into the world and be essentially bulletproof. Because what's your boss going to be able to say to you that you haven't said to you a million times better? I just hit my head on his thing because it's a clip of my hair. That's exactly what I say. I'm glad that was fun for you. That's exactly what I say. It's like nobody on the internet in the world and anything could say something to me that I haven't said to myself already.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I've said it all. I believed it too. I laid on the ground for years in that hole, on a carpet that's not like cappy and I was like, oh, this is my life now. Nope, you got nothing. You got nothing on me. So I think it's such a freaking superpower when people will take that moment and harness that superpower. Just harness, I think depression is such a freaking gift if you can switch your mindset and look at it because when you pull yourself through it and I believe everybody can, I really do,
Starting point is 00:37:14 then you're set, you're set. You can always go back to that and be like, oh yeah, remember when I overcame that huge thing? This is nothing. Do you find it hard now to connect with people because of what you've been through? So your worldview is changed quite profoundly, right? You go through this very extreme intense experience
Starting point is 00:37:34 and then out the other side of that, you have to try and speak to people who haven't been through that, who haven't, or haven't been through something analogous to that, right? Their own version of self-work and discomfort and stuff like that. Does it sometimes feel like you're talking on different levels? Some of the times that I see you talking to people or some of the comments that I see you making online or some of the videos, I appreciate some of the places that you're coming
Starting point is 00:38:00 from and I also appreciate why other people don't necessarily get it. Yeah, my mind went in three places on that answer too. So, first one is I believe on this playing field we call the Earth, we're in different grades and it's just like school. And some people come here and this time around, you're in kindergarten and that's cool. They're generally happy. Their spirits's cool. They're generally happy. Their spirits are good. They're the last ones at the bar. Their drug is flat.
Starting point is 00:38:29 They're falling over. They're happy people. They're fun to be around. There's some people who are coming here and they're in grade eight. And there's some people who come here and we're going to be in university. We're going through all the grades. For me to be in university and be mad at someone in grade six,
Starting point is 00:38:44 not understanding me talking about algebra is stupid on my part. Will I try and communicate as best as I can to reach as many people as I can? Yes. But I can't reach everybody and I'm okay with that. I'll do my best. Maybe they'll like one of my dance videos and that will inspire them because I know I've had a hurt back but now dancing. because I know I've had a hurt back, but now I'm dancing. But I don't try and tailor myself to reach everybody because I don't think that's authentic. And I'm not mad at people who don't get it. I'm genuinely not mad. And then when it comes to what we were just saying,
Starting point is 00:39:17 sorry, go back to it. You triggered something. And then I go back to it. When you're connecting with people, yeah, and you sometimes struggle. It got me in trouble actually. So I woke up one day and I was like, okay, I'm going to start making these videos. I'm going to start saying all the things that when I thought I was going to be dead or commit suicide, that I wish the world knew that the things that
Starting point is 00:39:43 we fight about, the things that we lie about, which I think is the number one problem in life, and in the world, is we lie constantly. And then we get mad at our, at the result of our own lies. I'm just going to tell the truth, and I'm going to tell it over and over and over on all these different topics, back to freaking back to back, I make it funny, so it's more palatable, because that's what I do. And I made my plan, and I started making these videos, and they hit viral, viral, viral. I knew they would, too.
Starting point is 00:40:11 But March of 2014, I believe it was, I took myself off disability against the doctor's orders. I'm like, don't send me a check. I'm not disabled anymore. Thank you very much. And then by September, I was the most viral comedian in history. So I had a major say more, thank you very much. And then by September, I was the most viral comedian in history. So I had a major culture shock.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Suddenly, being back in the world, I hadn't been out of the house in a very long time. And then suddenly, I was on the view. And suddenly, I was at the Royal Palace performing like a private event. So that was like super culture shock for me. So that was one thing. That aside, I've gotten, I'm going to say in trouble a lot in the last few years because
Starting point is 00:40:51 I can see everybody suffering, I can see it, I have a radar for it now. They don't have to tell me I can feel it. A guy recently was like he's going for a run and he's running this much today and running this much today. And I'm like, so what are you running to or from? I haven't decided. And he was just like, he knew I knew. And I always know. And I've been around some gents in the last few years. I'm going to say this as politely as I can where they had some pretty big issues that
Starting point is 00:41:23 they were going through. And my automatic reaction was to say, it's okay. I'll love you as a person anyway. And it bit me in the ass so hard every single time. Because I'd hang around. People that I probably shouldn't have been around because I didn't want them to feel alone because I had felt alone when I went through stuff. When really those people weren't in line morally or in integrity with who I am and what I want to be about. But I just didn't want them to feel what I felt. So it got me in a lot of trouble. That's a really interesting insight. I think if you've been through dark places, depression, or injury, or whatever.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Yeah. And you've come out the other side, you, that hero story inside of yourself is something that you want to see or inspire or initiate in other people. Yes. And that gives you faith, unwarranted faith sometimes, that other people are going to be able to reenact that particular story. You're 100% correct. And actually, this is something that it first sparked when I was speaking with Jordan
Starting point is 00:42:27 Peterson. I went, I was trying to like think of some things I've had issues with dating and different stuff like that. And that's really what it boils down to. Seeing you got in people that isn't that. Yeah. Yes. 100% and refusing to be nasty in the face of nastiness, it can get me walked on.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And I'm not doing it anymore, but that's exactly what it was. I saw the good in people that was not there, because I hoped it was there, and I believe it probably was there at some point. And then the world knocked it out of them. But I can't save everybody. That's not my job. My job is to lead conservatives, libertarians, listen to this part. My job is to lead in the direction that I would like the world to go, and those who want to follow me will come with me. That's what I'm going to do now. Talking about the fact that you lost probably most of the things that you valued as a human, right? So your cognitive capacity, which was your cognitive
Starting point is 00:43:27 nimbleness, your agility, your ability to come up with funny things and speech, your looks as a young girl who was cheerleading and modeling and dancing, looks, body, all of that sort of stuff, has that reframed the way that you see sort of physical beauty now? Do you judge physical attractiveness in a different way in yourself and in other people? Yes, and this is not a feel bad for me,
Starting point is 00:43:53 but I'll explain the odd little spot that I'm in, is that the way that I look is such a juxtaposition to who I am and what people expect me to be based on the way I look, that it can kind of get tough. Like, when it comes to dating, your friends or anything, you know, people might assume I'm going to be a bitch, sure, I'm so, I care so much about these external things. Like, make up in here is fun, but I really don't care. Like, I care about people and I love people and I want to hang out and just be chill and put it like I told you put on a baseball hat and go to the bar
Starting point is 00:44:27 So that I actually think Made it very different for me because I was so superficial before I Admittedly I was superficial a F. I bought into all of it I thought this is what I'm supposed to be like look like I fell into it a little bit in LA again when I started to do well because I'd spend eight hours getting ready to go to some awards show. And I'm like, that was a waste of my day. Like for what? I don't need to get my hair and makeup done by this top person
Starting point is 00:44:56 and sit there for five hours. I don't give a crap. Put my hair in a bun. Sure, do my makeup lovely. This dress, awesome. Thank you, beautiful design, but I don't care. I don't want to be at the opening of every envelope to pretend I'm special. I don't care. I want to make cool shit. So it did change me in that way. And I don't, not I don't think I
Starting point is 00:45:17 know I'll never go back because the things that people care about a lot, or we've been taught to care about like superficial beauty and money just for having money not for the using it as a tool that it is. Things, objects, I don't care and it's hard to convince other people otherwise when they've been kind of brainwashed into putting their value with the value of the things that they have. The juxtapositions and interesting insight, right? So I did reality TV. I was on the first season of Love Island here in the UK and a club promoter and Blue Tick on Twitter and feed charcoal, toothpaste and all that sort of stuff. And still now, people that watch me on Love Island don't understand what I do my podcast
Starting point is 00:46:03 about and think that it's a gossip channel. And then people that know that I've done the podcast don't believe that I was on Love Island. So it's so bizarre how people... How dare you? I... well yeah, I know. Like, how could you not be the person that you were four years ago? Yeah. It's so weird how people rely on archetypes, right? So we watch TV shows and the nerd has glasses and the villain wears black and the hero has big muscles. Why do they do that?
Starting point is 00:46:27 It's so that they can shortcut you having to understand multiple things about someone. They're just this perfect pigeonhole cliche of a human. You know one thing about them and from that one thing you can accurately extrapolate everything else that there is to know about them. One of the problems that you come up against is when you have somebody who's been an ex-model or done reality TV, but now wants to talk about whether aliens are real or somebody that used to be a cheer. Obviously, they're already here.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Well, we'll wait and see, this 60-minute thing needs to finish up first. Or somebody that used to be a cheerleader and now wants to talk about politics. It is that contradiction is interesting to some people, but it's off-putting toward this as well. It is, but are we going to shrink? That's not fun. I was shrunk for most of my life, and admittedly, I have shrunk again multiple times since my car accident, even getting better, because I was like, oh, I'm being too much, or I'd have agents,
Starting point is 00:47:28 or managers, or whatever, be like, you can't be this, plus this, plus this, plus this, well guess what I fucking am, guess what? I'm releasing music, and it sounds like Lincoln Park, and my other music, I rap, and it sounds more like a Gwen Stefani type of thing, and I do comedy, and I'm gonna talk about politics, and if you can't handle a well-rounded person that's probably a reflection of you, not me.
Starting point is 00:47:47 So whatever, like we're on this ride, why aren't we going to ride it? Everybody should do that. I've been shrinking and I don't want to do it anymore. It's not fun. I think that's why we get depressed too is we're trying to fit into these little shells of humans that we're told to be and they were like, oh, why am I depressed? Because you're not being you asshole, that's why. It's like pretty easy.
Starting point is 00:48:09 I think you're right. You were talking earlier on about some of the criticism and feedback that you get online. Obviously, both good and bad. What are some of the lessons or insights or tools that you've learned to be able to deal with that feedback? But it's something that you care about, right? No matter how many awful situations you've been through, when you put something out that
Starting point is 00:48:27 you have put some effort into and you get criticism, you're going to notice it. So how do you deal with it? Again, twofold answer. First, I would say, when I get criticism, I go, one, is this true? Is what they're saying about me? Is it a criticism of what I do for a living or is it a personal attack? If it's a personal attack, is it true?
Starting point is 00:48:50 No? Okay, then I don't care. Then this is a reflection of that human, not me. Why are they becoming at me? Oh, they heard that I have my own show coming out. They think I'm gonna be a competition. They're trying to cut my legs off, got it. Or like, you know, take out my credibility. I get it shady, but I get it.
Starting point is 00:49:07 And then, you know, if it is true what they're saying, then there's something for me to learn within that. And that's dope. Thank you. Even if you said it in a dick way, thank you, because I grew up with hardcore gymnastics coaches, ballet teachers from Russia. Tough love is what I'm used to, so that's cool. So is it true or not? And then you decide from there. When it comes to criticism of my art, you're more than welcome to. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I know that the lattice boobs do come from the cheap seats, so that's one thing. But if you don't like what I do, that's cool. Go find someone that you do like. It doesn't bother me, because I like what I'm doing. And everything I do isn't going to be the best thing I've ever done. And that's okay too. Beethoven's first song probably wasn't that great.
Starting point is 00:49:52 That's okay. We only talk about the hits, you know? So I had a video a couple of years back. This is America. And I redid Donald Glovers. This is America. I did my own parody, but really just like a different version of it. I was like, whoa, what would it look like to take this exact thing, pivot it this way
Starting point is 00:50:12 about women? People lost their shit. They were like, that's racist. You're taking away from the message of this is America. There was all this crazy negative press about me. TMZ of all people came in and rescued me and they were like, she's not racist, she just made a video, we don't like it, whatever. Thanks TMZ.
Starting point is 00:50:32 You know, like of all the people who came to help, there was TMZ, which I thought was freaking cool with them. They've actually done that a couple times over the years. But then, and I started to take it in, I started being like, oh my god, I did a bad thing. I was racist, I'm whatever. And I talked to black people. I literally went up to strangers and restaurants.
Starting point is 00:50:50 I'm like, hey, I ask you a question, group of black people. Hi, I'm Nicole. Is this offensive to you? I made a remix of this song. And they were like, no, I'm like, all right, cool. And then I went and I literally surveyed random black people in LA because this is the kind of person I am. And nobody said it was offensive.
Starting point is 00:51:11 One person was like, oh, I see how maybe people can get upset because it's about the history of black people in America. They're like, it was probably just too soon. Turns out, they were right. It was just too soon. Hundreds of other remixes and parodies came out. So many that billboard made a list of the top 10 remakes of this is America. Why did you come? They didn't put me on the list. I was the old female who did it I was the first person who did it and I had the most views on my video and I took all the heat
Starting point is 00:51:41 Wasn't even on the list. Yeah, but oh, but this is this place is okay. This is this thing is okay. Should the song have been mixed properly? Heck yeah, the song was trash. Yeah, it's freaking genius. And the video quality was great. So yeah, I learned some lessons from it, but what I really learned was I've been ahead of the curve a bunch of times and then I take all the heat for it and then other people come in after and whatever. So that's an interesting thing as well. First mover advantage doesn't really exist in the content creation industry. Almost anyone that I know that's in content creation doesn't care about being first because the person that's going to be first will make a ton of mistakes and then fourth maybe or fifth you can iterate on that, make a few adjustments,
Starting point is 00:52:26 let the first person trailblaze, catch. Yeah, maybe that first person will get a little bit more press attention, but their content quality is going to be so much lower than yours. And then when you can come in and make it, no one cares about the fact that an LG phone has a bigger megapixel camera, because Apple comes in and they do it right.
Starting point is 00:52:44 They don't do it first, they just do it best, right? Another thing to do with people getting you allowing criticism to bounce off you because you're doing something that you really, truly enjoy, I think that one of the reasons that some people get triggered by criticism is when they're doing something that they know isn't their true calling. When they're trying to be somebody that they're not, their concern is fuck, I've put so much energy into this persona and it's not working.
Starting point is 00:53:14 Like I, I mean. We're preaching. Yo, that's true. That's just, that's facts. Yep. Well, they do all of this work and it's like an Easter egg, right? You wrap it around, but it's hollow in the middle. You hit it with a little bit of pressure and it breaks.
Starting point is 00:53:27 So that's why I think the people that you can tell that are in Jordan Peterson language speaking their logos forward, right? They're being themselves, speaking their truth. When they're doing something that truly is them, it's like, okay, so the foundations of that are always going to be deeper than you pretending someone else trying to be Nicola Barrett, someone else trying to be Chris
Starting point is 00:53:49 Williamson. That's just, that's never going to feel as strong or as stable as just doing what you're supposed to do. Exactly, which is why when I do get criticism and I get it, today I'll get it tomorrow, I'll get it in five years from now, it's fine. When I get criticism, I go, all right, well you think I'm going to shrink? I'm not going to shrink and stop being me. I'm just going to shine brighter. Every time it's, like I feel like the more punches I take, the more hits I know how to take.
Starting point is 00:54:18 And then I just go into the world and I shine brighter because if someone says something negative about me, like, oh, she's a mean person or she's a bitch or whatever, the way that I live my life will be proving that differently. So I don't worry about it. Eventually, those people will see me as who I am. So I don't care. If they don't like my content, that's a different story. And I wish you all and find someone that you love because life's too short to watch.
Starting point is 00:54:40 Shit, you don't like. But it just, it really doesn't mean to bother you. But what I think people forget, and I'm actually writing about this in my book right now, is that there's gonna be haters. It's gonna happen. It's not possible for it not to happen. And the greater the risk that you're taking
Starting point is 00:55:01 and your content and your life in who you declare yourself to be publicly, the more hate there will be, period. And that's just the formula. It has nothing to do with you. So stopping to egotistical, take yourself out of the equation. This is life. Fucking get over it.
Starting point is 00:55:17 And that's it. And then you can deal with it when you know it's gonna come. It's just like your muscles are gonna hurt after a workout, your building muscle. So you know it's going to come, deal with it, you don't cry and quit because your muscles hurt after a workout. Give it a couple days, go again. How much is your team professionally and your friends around you? How much are they a buttress to assist you with periods of low motivation and dealing with criticism and stuff like that. There are a very tight crew around me, like a very, very select few.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I would actually say Denel Delgado, I'm not sure if you know her. She is freaking incredible, she's known as the millionaire maker, she takes businesses from zero to a million like freaking that, really good friend of mine. And she, if I do have a low period, or I can just call her and she gets me back in five minutes. Tim Grover has cheered for me multiple times in amazingly different ways in a way that only Tim Grover can.
Starting point is 00:56:17 I'm talking like a single sentence text where it's kind of like a bitch slap. It's like, you know, like kind of like are you gonna give up? And I'm like, oh fine Tim, you know, like, okay. Like he'll be like, you know, he'll be like step on their throat. So I'm like, you're right, let's go. There's a couple of select people
Starting point is 00:56:35 that are in my tight, tight personal crew too. But I find that I'm mostly having to cheer the other people up around me. And I get a lot of guilt. One there's hate at me, I feel guilty for the people around me because I can see it hurts them. And they can't take the hits the way that I can't because they haven't been in the ring training the way that I have. So, you know, even in dating, like throughout being famous, famous, whatever you want to call it,
Starting point is 00:57:02 I feel like I've had to console people that I've dated when other people say negative things about me because it hurts their feelings because they know who I am and they're like, hey, that's not whatever, but they can't spend their whole day proving wrong. And I'm just like, it's okay, don't worry, like, it's okay. I'm really sorry that this hurts you. I'm going to step away so that you don't feel this because I can see it affects you. And yeah, that's feel this because I can see it affects you and Yeah, that's that's kind of how I deal with it. What lessons do you wish you'd known about dating a few years ago? It's different for me because of what I do for a living but I
Starting point is 00:57:38 Wish if I were much younger I would have focused more on My career first I spent a lot of time when I think about it like dating lots of guys because that's what was cool. Like, Nicole, how many guys are you dating and whatever? What a waste of time. I got some good material, but what a waste of time. And I would say now, I wish I could tell, I guess I can right now, I wish I could tell guys and girls that when you date someone and it doesn't work out, like if you're looking for an actual partner, you have to move on.
Starting point is 00:58:12 I see every day, like this is like a Nicole observation of pain with my little that I have now. It really hurts people that people have a trail of everyone they've banged in the last five years behind them, only like one step behind them. And it's like you're introducing the new girl that you're dating to 30 other girls you hooked up with in the last year. What are you doing? Or you're liking all the other girls bikini photos that you've been hooking up with the last few years. What do you think that's going to do to your current or future relationship? And it's not about jealousy. It's about integrity and romance and fostering
Starting point is 00:58:50 something new. Like that didn't work. Let it go. You don't have to hate them, but you're spoiling everything else. You're putting mold on the new bread. What do you do? How much of that do you think is just guys and girls being pricks in their 20s though? Because I see a lot of people hit 30s and this eager game in relationships tends to drop away. Home ones are a hell of a fucking drug. Right, so true.
Starting point is 00:59:22 I feel like it's being, I think it's getting worse actually because it's being toxic, is being promoted as like cool and trendy. And I don't know if you see it. It's clapping back. It's clapping back. Yeah. Clat back, fall over TikTok.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Oh, I'm going to bang all his friends because he like this girl's photo or he would ever or like always have a side dick, always have a side chick. Like just in case they screw up, it's promoted as like cool in culture now. It's not cool. I don't think degrading other people is cool. I don't think making someone feel unspecial is cool. That's the opposite of what we're supposed to be doing here. Sure, there's that, you know, that thing we all go through, the hormone raging, what
Starting point is 01:00:00 have. But as you're moving on in life, it's not cool to not be cool to people. I don't like it. And we really, again, the way to combat it is with our actual efforts and to show healthy relationships and to show, you know, being a good person and having a good relationship is okay. And that's cool too. And you're allowed to have fights and you're allowed to have disagreements and you're allowed to move forward together and you don't have to have a big blow up every time. And that's what I think. There's a thought experiment that Brett Weinstein did with Heather Hain on Rogue in a couple
Starting point is 01:00:38 of years ago. And he said, can you imagine someone who is hot but not beautiful? And then can you imagine someone that is beautiful but not hot? And the distinction between the two is what we signal on when we're younger, we signal of hotness, right? With a very easy to observe signals of fitness,
Starting point is 01:00:59 adaptive evolutionary fitness, right? But beauty is something that's timeless, it doesn't wane with age, actually increases with age, it's grace, it's poise, it's loyalty, it's kindness, it's peace, it's so on and so forth. And that actually can manifest in the way that people move. You can see the girls, here's one for you, any girl that wears a one of those kind of like suit jacket things that they wear on nights out over the top of a dress, but without their arms in the sleeves, every single one of them is going to start a fight,
Starting point is 01:01:26 every single one of them's a bitch. So, that's a signal. That's a signal. Oh my gosh, that's a great observation. You're right. Wow. You stand on a lot of nightclub doors, you see things like this.
Starting point is 01:01:39 So yeah, stuff like that, right? You see people in the way that they hold themselves, in the way that they move. You know, like I can tell something about you outwardly, reflect something that is emerging from you inwardly. And um, yet that beauty and hotness thing, I often think people just get that backward. And I understand, like, you know, I went through my 20s, I made the mistakes. But-
Starting point is 01:02:00 I've seen you in your bikini photos too. I'm your star. Yeah, yeah. Um, but But I've seen you in your bikini photos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But my point is that the sooner that you can realize, I need to signal off of beauty, not hotness. The quicker I think you're going to find yourself into a relationship and a situation with friends as well, right? It's not the friend that's got the fastest car or the most money,
Starting point is 01:02:19 it's the friend that's going to be there for you when you need them. And if they've got a fast car, then sick. Yeah, Exactly. I had that revelation as well as I started to do well because I had all these people around me. They were so rich. I was at their mansion. They had these cool things and their pieces are shit.
Starting point is 01:02:35 They're assholes and they hate their lives and they cheat on their wives and husbands. And they're not happy internally and they're popping, paying killers and antidepressants. And I'm like, why do you think you're doing that? Cause you're full of shit. And none of it mattered. And I went, I don't care about your house or your cars or your whatever. Are you a dope person?
Starting point is 01:02:56 Am I comfortable around you? Like genuinely. Cause you get that little weird, uncomfortable feeling around some people. And I don't care how many famous friends you have. If I'm uncomfortable around you, I don't want to be around you. I want nice human beings. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:10 Beautiful people. Nickel, lava ladies and gentlemen, why should people go there when they check out your stuff? I would love them to go to Instagram, letter I, letter B, Nicole Arbor. I'm IB Nicole Arbor on TikTok. Facebook. What's the IBS stand for? Well, like I be Nicole, but actually someone's so many people.
Starting point is 01:03:29 Well, as I make you happy, someone's still many years ago on Instagram and tried to sell it back to me. I can't remember, it was like 20 or 30 thousand dollars. I'm like, no, out of principle, I will start another account. And I be Nicole, you be fake Nicole. So that's what that was. Under Nicole I run Twitter and I'm go team everywhere. If you're a hashtag go team, you'll find me.
Starting point is 01:03:59 you

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