Morbid - BONUS EPISODE: Discussing "The Invisible Man" With Johnny and Tyler from That's Spooky

Episode Date: April 23, 2020

I wanted to name this episode "Leigh Whannell" but alas, I went a different path. Tonight in this special bonus episode, we talk about The Invisible Man with the always funny and always beautiful Johnny and Tyler from the That's Spooky podcast! It's quarantine, so why not just do alllll the content! *******WARNING: Skip to around the 16 minute mark to skip over banter/discussion of RuPaul's Drag Race/Us discovering our drag identities. Your loss but we will understand if you just want to get to the meat of the episode! This was so much fun and we think you guys will love a little fun with the spooky! Enjoy! Thanks to That's Spooky! You can listen to them anywhere and follow them here: Instagram: ThatsSpookyPod Twitter: ThatsSpookyPod See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hi, everyone. I'm Johnny. Hi, I'm Tyler. I'm Alena. When I'm Ash. And you're listening to the hybrid of that spookin' morbid. That's a beautiful crossover. Yeah, we put them in a blender and this is what's coming out of you.

And it's delicious. It's a delicious green juice. It's good for you too. Yeah, and you feel good afterward. So we're here. It's a very joyous occasion. We're like meeting over the powers that are Zoom. We're working with technology. We're like meeting over the powers that are Zoom. We're working with technology.

We're putting our hands across the board. And we're doing a cheer together. We're like creating a little space in our hands to throw you the listener up in the air and just see where you go. Right. Yeah. That just painted the most beautiful picture. Yeah. I loved that. Like spaghetti that you throw against the wall. Yeah, you're gonna become like a flying spaghetti monster when we open next hour. That's all we want. Spaghetti, yutty.

Yeah, this is like an experience, like literature, cinema, astral projection, and cosmetic beauty. Yeah, it's gonna be many things. Yeah, it is. And I'm sorry to like steamroll everything. I'm gonna open up the floor because we thought that the best way to start this whole thing off would be to talk about drag race a little

bit because that's a little bit of a common thread that we are between us. Sure is. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, and it's to my understand that Elena and Ash have recently started watching drag race, but we are over in our tacky little program that spooky talk about drag race basically like every episode I'd say. Absolutely. Which we love. Yeah, it's kind of to the point now where we don't need to say it, but we've watched just about every episode and it's kind of pathetic.

So we thought we would open it up. We would ask a few questions, maybe do some ice breakers and you know, get to know each other a little bit better because our listeners may not know exactly who you are, your listeners may not know exactly who we are, and you know, we're a family now. Yeah, drag race is going to unite us all. Yeah, really well. The bond that unite. It's like hands across America, but with drag queens. Yes.

It's the glue of these COVID times. All right. So it is since we're all fans here, since we're all chatting, since we're going to spend like 10 minutes talking about drag race before we hop into the main event, I got some questions for the room. Is that cool? Yes. Definitely.

Absolutely. So Elena, Ash, Tyler, Alley and some herself, if you were a drag queen on drag race, what kind of drag queen would you be on the show? I mean, personally, I'd probably be a busted queen even though I think I would. You know, no way. So we'll see a campy comedy queen. Yeah, like a dollar store princess.

I love that. Dollars store princess, absolutely. I know, this was easy. I would be a spooky queen, 100%. Oh yeah, like sharing needles. Like that's exactly how you'd be. Yes, or agency. Yes.

But I feel like I would be a little better than Aiden. That's fair. You might have a little bit more of a week selection. Yeah, a little bit more, yeah. I mean, that's total. Have you ever watched Dracula? No. Dracula, no.

You would like Dracula though, I've heard good things. Oh, that's something to get into. Because I think Annie actually told us to get into it. She did. Shout out to Annie. My girlfriend is into every drag show that exists. Yeah, if you love a spooky queen, you'll love Dracula. Yeah, and they have performers of all gender.

It doesn't describe the name. I love that. Yeah, that's the one that I'm talking about. I feel like I would be a super glam queen just because I love that. I'd have like sparkles and sequins everywhere. But then my girlfriend said I would find out along the way that I was like a comedy queen too.

She said a la trinity talk. Oh yeah. I was like, okay, I don't know what that means. We haven't gotten that season yet. Ooh, I love that journey for you though. Yeah. It's like a glamour queen that kind of like comes out in the confessional's and just, you know, like fills in the gaps and makes you go like, oh, there's like a glamour queen that kind of like comes out in the confessionals and just,

you know, like fills in the gaps and makes you go like, oh, there's something to her. She's got a little dance, you know? Depth and beauty. That's you, man. I think I would be like probably like a spooky dollar store queen to be honest. I'm into it. I love that. Yeah, I'd be like a hobby lobby.

Definitely into that. Polypocket, kind of like hobnop of everything. Me too. Yeah. Why not? I want to see that. Yeah, I think I really need to put it to work. Well, I mean, I guess this ties perfectly into the next question, which is, what would your track name be then,

if you were going to be on the show? Or if you were just going to like drop everything tomorrow and become a drag performer? Oh shit. That's a hard one. I know. This is like 2020, like, full of Barbara Walters interviewing you, but then like the Gays way possible. This is perfection. And I can say that because if your listeners don't know,

we are Gays Hell, we're a couple. I don't know. I think we can say that. Yeah. Yeah, that's our word. Well, because I've given this so much thought over the years, I have my answer right away. Okay. So I would be Poutinea.

You're tying it into the cleaning content. Love that. I love this. Because I love Poutinea. And if you just add a Tina on the end, you've got a beautiful name. That's gorgeous. And I love Poutinea. I really love that.

I do too. And the possibilities are endless. Like you could be Poutinea Turner, you could be Poutinea Aguilara, you could be Poutine. I really love that. I do too. And the possibilities are endless. Like, you could be Poutine a Turner. You could be Poutine Aguilara. You could be Poutine a Abelgate. Oh my God. Oh yeah. That opens so many doors.

Yes. Yeah. That really does. You reborn in so many ways. I love that. Madonna. You could be like the Madonna of drag queens. But just some beer that clean me in Poutine of from Canada.

You rise to the top. Yeah, I mean, it's just like a recipe for success. It'll be Poutine's Drag Race Canada by the end of it. You know, yeah. You'll overtake the whole thing. Yeah. Ooh, drag name is hard. Yeah.

I know, I didn't actually think of a drag name. I should have put thaw into this earlier. Well, I guess maybe here's the question, like would you be a pun name, or would you be like a serious name? Would you go like the Nicole Page Brooks route, or would you be like Kisha-car? Kisha-car?

I feel like I would want a pun name. That would be great. I think you need a pun name, will you? Right, I feel like you need like a spooky, like, yeah. Spooky queens need a pun name, I feel like. A spooky pun. It should have like vampire in the mix somehow, like something to do Spooky queens need a pun name, I feel like. A spooky pun. It should have like vampire in the mix somehow, like something to do.

Like haunted house. Oh yes. Something exactly like that. Oh, I love that. I like how it just came. I love that. Oh thank you. That was great.

I kicked the light as I said that too, so I was just knocked over a soft box out of excitement. I guess. And it got spooky, because the light flickered. Yeah, it truly did. It got real spooky. Yeah, truly. And you were born.

How about you, Ashley? You're like a glamor queen. And you're like funny, glamor. Are you going to be punny? Are you going to be real? Or is it like Veronica Dupree? Ooh, OK, I like that. I want like a rich sounding name.

Something southern. I want maybe Alexa Vanner or something, but I'd want like a Vaughn last name, like that. I want like a rich sounding name. Something southern. I want maybe, yeah, like Savannah or something, but I'd want like a Vaughn last name. Like that starts with Vaughn. And what if it's like a Vaughn and then another first name? So it could go backwards if you wanted to do the remix something. Yes, I'm into it.

Yeah, like Vaughn Beatrice. Oh, oh, yeah. That's what she wants. Savannah Vaughn Beatrice. Like, Rupala definitely hate that. Okay, like the Southern Beatrice is. Yeah, I think Johnny's missed his calling as like a drag mentor.

That's me. He's like, this is who you are. I need to be like the rocky coach of like the drag world, where I like throw you in the corner at the moment, starting to get a spritzy with water. And I'm like, you're fabulous, you're wonderful. Hitch on the ass and send you out to play. Exactly, check your nails and put you back on the run. Yeah. I'm like, you're fabulous, you're wonderful. Hitch on the ass and send you out to play. Exactly.

Check your nails and put you back on the wrong place. Yes. I'm like the pageant mom. You really are. You just created us. You really did. Yeah, we just created your drag identities. I love that.

You're just bored. I'm fabulous. Somebody needs to draw that. Oh, yeah. Ooh. Somebody please draw that. Some of them. Please, please, draw that.

I think I would be like cake bush. I know you need that. Ooh. Somebody please, please, please, please, I think I would be like cake bush. I know you need. Ooh, that is phenomenal. I love that. Yeah, because it's either like a curvy queen reference because you know, curvy queen, or it could be like, you know, like a Trinity Taylor Asset reference

where it's like cakes bush, you know? Yes, yes, that's perfect. Works on every level. I'm taking it. All right, and they heard we are. I'm taking it. That's fine. You're like, called it.

We're the newest drag girl group, and we're here to rule this. Yes. Right. And I guess so since we're cementing our drag careers here, who would you play on Snatch Game? Oh, I know. You'd have to play on Ira.

Oh, hell yeah. Oh. I mean, I don't have the boobs for it, but I could get them. Oh yeah, you could buy them. Oaks for Queen dot com. Easy. See, problem solved. Yeah, you could even paint them. Like if there's a well, there's a way. We can make it happen. Yeah, I think when I was thinking about this before, I was like, I'd want to be like Lana Del Rey or something. And then my girlfriend was like, well, she's not funny. And I was like, oh, okay. So then I settled on either Ramona Singer or Sonia

from the Real Housewives. Oh, it was pretty crazy. So it was funny. I mean, you could make Lana Del Rey. You don't want it Del Rey. Well, I feel like I could just be like very spaced out. Yeah, like controlled by the Illuminati. Yes, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. And she's so unfunny that it would be funny to make her so unfunny. And have like a ridiculous flower crown and like super long red nails. Oh my God, you could do like a long-otel ray into carol bask in things. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Wow, okay, that's it. It's sold me. You really are a drug mother. That was it. Yeah. You just. Seven years of theater school. You're manifesting Like seriously after this can we just shoot a pilot right? Yeah, let's do it

We got it like we're in isolation. We're on zoom. There's only like a one second lag So I mean we can make magic happen. Yes. Yeah, we really could this is cool. Would you be John? Um, I think By there's someone like be Arthur or Lorraine Morin. Oh, yeah. I'm into both of those so hard. Those are great options. Because one gives me a chance to wear shoulder pads

and give a not-now-ma. And then the other one is the option to be like, why? And I used to accept a buffalo nickel per ghost weed, except back in the day and just turn her into like an old chubby, choo-choo singing like. Oh yeah, lots of wood. Lots of wood, just like big,

pin civil war right hair. Like I think it would be wonderful. Oh my God, yes. Oh yeah, I'm voting Lorraine. Maybe you should just do both. Oh, whoa, Bob the drag queen. Yeah, half and half, vibe into it. Yeah, because you could kind of do like a Lorraine, maybe you should just do both. Oh, whoa, Bob the drag queen. Half and half, vibe into it. Yeah, because you could kind of do like a Lorraine,

Warren reveal into a B. Arthur because she's got the shorter cut. Mm-hmm. I love that. And then it would just be a matter of throwing on a calf tan. Yeah, I could see that. You could totally do that. We're really doing this today.

Absolutely. We committed. Like why are we even here talking about moving? We're running away. I feel like we have a whole drag empire to start up. Right? Yeah. Yeah, we have shit to do.

We gotta go guys, we have things to do. That's the thing, it's like if you seem like slow to go at the beginning of this, it's not the zoom. It's the fact that the wheels are slowly turning in our heads and we're all kind of like, we could actually do this. This is magic. We need to follow this.

Is this how the Backstreet Boys started? I think it is. That's exactly how it started. Zoom before it's time. And Tyler, who would you be on Snatch Game? Oh yeah, me. I think I would be, at least today, I would be Jennifer Coolidge.

Oh, yes. She's just amazing. Oh, that's genius. Perfect. Uh-huh. And I feel like her roles are all sort of similar so that you can pick from every kind of quotable quotes and still create one singular character. Absolutely.

Oh, that's a good one. That's a really good one. I really love that. I do. I love that. I'm just like, I'm looking at you across the table and I'm like, that's the man I'm going to marry in terms of coolness. Thank you so much.

You just ruined it over there. I know, right? I got you across the table and I'm like, that's the man I'm gonna marry, I'm trying to cool it. Thank you so much. Yes, I'm there. You just ruined it over there. I know, right? I don't just like, well, I want a hot dog real bad. No. Now, okay, let's say that you didn't do to well on the snatch game and you had the lip sync.

What song would you slay the lip sync to keep yourself in the competition to die another day? Just a quote Madonna, because we just had a Madonna challenge. So we got to keep going with it. Thank you. So, this was hard. I would say, for me, I would say anything by Lady Gaga, obviously.

Or, if I go the other way, I would go with raspberry beret by Prince. Ooh. Because that's what I sing in the car of those. That'd be perfect. Mine is similar in the sense that it's like my one karaoke song and it would be Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And I wouldn't have to like flip and dip and do splits and things like that either. So. No, exactly. You're perfect. Yeah, you could just like park and park. I think I wouldn't go for the flips and dips either. I would just want to go for like full on prints kind of moves. Just smolder. Like very theatrical. Yeah. And be like,

yeah, because I'm small like prints so I can like do the whole slither. Slither down the runway. You like paint the picture that raspberry for right in your mind's eye. It'd be beautiful. Absolutely. I feel like I would have to do Gypsy by Stevie Nicks because it's my favorite song. And it would just be so emotional. I could pretend to cry a little bit.

Yes. I could lay on the velvet. You can have a shawl, shulography. Yeah, absolutely. Shulography. Beautiful hair. It'd be greatraphy. Yeah, absolutely. Shilography. Beautiful hair. It'd be great.

Yeah. Absolutely love that. I think I would have to do like, Libertango by Grace Jones. Like, Strange I've seen that face before. Yeah. Just like posing and giving like, Oh, lots of face.

Yeah. Like, human architecture. Yes. Yes. I love that. Lots of yes. I love that. That's how you went. Lots of props. Wow.

Just like staring the judges down. Exactly, basically sending the message. Like you and I meant at a French cafe, you were smoking a cigarette, and I was like, sucking down a plate of bread. So you can't send me home. It's not such sheying today. You and I know each other from another life-room call.

What I was faced, you didn't show me my Paris walkway. Now it's just a matter of asking, who's going to make it to the final four, who's spinning the wheel to Lipson Gugets. I mean, I guess we're the final four. Here we go. We have to be. Yeah.

It's a four-way tie-action, I never thought. Yes, we love that. Why not? I mean, if All Stars for Todd is anything, it's that the rules are at the window, baby. We make the rules. Yeah. And I think for anybody listening who doesn't know what the hell we're talking about, like, first congratulations for sticking through this far. But second of all, you're like, oh, I want to watch this drag race thing. I would say watch season four first. Like it may spoil the first three seasons of winners, but I think that is such a well-rounded season

to kind of start off with. That's what I started with. That makes sense, because it's like the pilot of any show. That makes sense. When you watch the pilot, you're like, what the fuck was that? It's always totally different. One, two, exactly. Well, that was a mistake that I made

trying to introduce Johnny to Buffy as we started from the beginning. Oh. Oh. Should have started at season three. I'm a Buffy girl, so I feel you. You're speaking to Elena's soul. Yup.

It can be tough from the beginning, but. Yeah, especially like 15 years out of its original area, it was a real rough. Yeah, it is. Look at that. Yeah, I can totally try that. In fact, I have seen that with Elena. real rough. Oh yeah, it is. Like a total of that. In fact, I have seen that with Alina. Don't worry about it, it gets better. I'm like, what's happening?

Wait for Spike to show up. We'll be good. Exactly right. So introducing somebody to Buffy, don't start from the pilot. Because they will leave you alone. They will. They'll abandon you. And then you went from the pilot to the musical episode.

Because you were like, oh, you're in theater school, you'll love this. And I'm like, what are you? I feel like what the hell is this? This is not my capacity. That's like going to pride and playing Anya. And being like, the games are going to love this. You know what I mean?

Like no shade to Anya. With Buffy, you got to start it like, you know, the school hard, the episode are like, hush, hush is one of the best ones. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, hush is a good one. I like that one. For Buffy, season five, it was my favorite season.

That was so good. It was so good. The definitive season for me. Yeah, that was a great one. I gotta read what I was doing. I like to talk about Buffy all day. I know, I was gonna say. Well, I mean, that's kind of germane to the conversation.

And I feel like that's a nice bridge into what we're here to talk about today. Yeah. Because we're here to talk about stories that focus on powerful blonde female characters. Yes. That's right. Like Ash.

Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like surprise Ash, this is your life. We're not actually talking to being a dressable man today. Welcome to your life. Yeah, the retro- retrospective, yeah. Oh God, that'd be quite the episode.

You guys got time for that? We took an extra five minutes to start this actually because we had to put all the photos up around the Wallsboro Park and the Frick Gallery portion of tonight's program. If you'd rather, though, we can talk about the movie. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm into it. So if you haven't read the episode description yet, or you, I don't know, we're just like starting this episode

20 minutes in, we are here today to talk about the invisible man, which just recently came out on streaming due to the COVID pandemic. So good. I love this movie. Amazing. Yeah. I watched it three times. I actually saw it in theaters the week

of the month when people did that. So that's the thing. It like came out like just a week or two before social isolation. Must I think was that true? Remember that? Yeah, it was a great time. Missed that time. It's like pre-war Berlin for the games. It's like, oh my god, remember, when it was so wonderful. Yep, 100%. I love that.

I mean, you just love the feeling of that sticky pop on your feet at the theater and you didn't have to worry about it. Yes, I miss that. And getting chocolate cookie dough all over my white sweater, I want to go back. I can hear photographed by Nickelback playing very quietly in the background right now. This is beautiful. But yeah, the invisible man actually, given how short it was in theater, it actually I can hear it photographed by Michael back playing very quietly in the back of the magnet. This is beautiful. But yeah, the invisible man actually, like given how short it was in theater, it actually

cleaned up. It made about 125.8 million on a 7 to 9000 or $79 million budget, $79,000. It was groundbreaking. Imagine. We're like, whoa, the profit margin. Yeah, look at it. It was a bit mousted, it as a complete favor. That's groundbreaking. Imagine. Imagine. We're like, whoa, the Prophet Margin. Yeah, look at it.

It was a bit mousted, it has a complete favor. But she actually kind of did do a favor to the movie. Like this was something that Tyler found out when we were looking into this a little bit more. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. So I guess the director Lee Wano, I believe he won out. Lee Wano.

Wano. Who, Elena Wano. Elena will just wake up yelling Lee Wano's name. Yeah, I just yell Lee Wano. I won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't.

He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't.

He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. He won't. And I think that's really great considering it's a story from the perspective of her character and to get that narrative tied into it to make sure he wasn't out speaking,

especially given the subject matter that the movie covers where it's a lot about domestic abuse. It's very reflective of the Me Too movement, so the fact that she had a lot of control over that conversation and the presentation of that, I thought, was really kind of cool. Yeah, that is cool. I love that. I actually read it, and I think it was like a vulture interview that he did that he said that Elizabeth would read some of his words, and then she would be like, you know what, this whole paragraph,

I can just do this with my eyes or like a look. I don't need this hair. Oh, wow. Yeah, and at first he was like, uh, like I kind of, I wrote all this, like I'm a writer, maybe just let me do that, and he was like, but I let her do it I wrote all this. Like, I'm a writer. Maybe just let me do that. And he was like, but I let her do it. And she nailed it every time.

And I was so happy. Because she would like turn to him and be like, I have the power of Zeno on my side. Just remember I grew up sign in college. A systematic handle would like raise up to feet behind her. Yeah. And he was like, all right. Okay.

You know what? I nailed it. Whatever you want to live with. Whatever you want. But this movie was actually kind of cotton production hell for a while because they tried to start writing it in 2011. I was reading. Oh yeah, I read that too.

Oh, I didn't even know that. Oh wow. Yeah, so it turns out they tried to write it like history lesson. They tried to write it in 2011, the dude abandoned it. And then it was picked up again in 2016 to be part of this like dark universe. That universe picture is what picture is going to do. Oh my god.

Yeah. Yeah, so the movie The Invisible Man was supposed to star Johnny Depp. Yes, I heard. Oh. Imagine the depth of it all. I was over this movie. I was like, I can't. I literally can't.

Johnny Depp stepping in and being like, I can give the woman's perspective. Thank you. In fact, I will be playing both roles in tonight's performance. Oh, it would have been a very different movie. Very, very, very different. So many top hats. So many, so many bracelets. I know, if you like, if the members of tool

or like a perfect circle, we're the invisible man. That would be like talking about as invisible man. 100%. But basically, he was supposed to do that, and then the mummy reboot came out, and then they basically just had to ditch it all. Yeah. Good plan, honestly.

Worked out a lot better. They were like, bye. Yeah. It's like that vine where they're like, fuck that shit on out. Yeah. Hop into a trash can and roll away. Like, I'm a split, but it's actually exactly what happened. And then Jason Bloom, I almost said Jay Bloom,

can in or bloom. So, I think it is, right? Because it's like, Blum House. I think it's like part of Blum House, I think it is. Yeah, I think you're right. Oh, yeah. Totally make sense. I'm just trying to put a hat on the hat over here

and make it fancier than I was. I love that. I do that all the time. It's like, it doesn't have an umlot over it though. Like, it's new bloom love that. I do that all the time. It's like, it doesn't have an umlaut over it though. Like, it's an umbiblim. I do that with things all the time. I make them sound way fancier and our listeners are like, yeah, you don't have to do that.

That's not how it's so. I'm like, okay, they're like, whatever. I think we're like, sorry for trying to culture you, okay? Well, the thing is, I find that I do that sometimes. And then when I try to like play it down, that's when I get called out from not doing it. Like one time I was working at a Yiddish theater

and I was working with someone whose name was H-A-N-A. So I'm like, hey Hannah, and she's like, it's actually Hana. And you're like, oh shit, all right. You're like, I have to do that every time. Yeah. But basically, Jason Hana, Bloom, picked up the, and then was just like, let's do this dance. And then called up Lee Onell, who had directed like Insidious 2 and or 3, and then had like acted and written some stuff.

And saw. Yeah, all the time. Oh, yeah, he wrote like saw. He sure did. He did, and he acted in it. Oh my god. Lee Onell, guys. a jack of all trades. There's actually a saw Easter egg in the end of this moment. Yeah, you can see that. We had to rewind it to find it,

but I was like, oh my God, oh, guy, whatever, the jigsaw doll. Jigsaw. Oh yeah. I was really hoping that it would be like, Lee when I was coming by and like a little tricycle with a mask on, that'd be cute. You and me both. You and me both. I was like, where's would be like Lee when I'll come and buy it and like a little tricycle with a mask on that Be cute you and me both you I was like where's Lee bring him in here missed opportunity

You're like, please give me a Stanley cameo your own Lee one out I Mean hey the movie did hit in a lot of other opportunities though So maybe the invisible man too will have more Lee one L in it like maybe you'll be able to satiate your thirst Yes, yeah, not that I'm calling you thirsty. Like maybe you'll be able to satiate your thirst. Yes, yes. Nothing I'm calling you thirsty. Ooh, okay, try to not pedal.

No way. I love it. Because Lee one L, I'm just gonna keep yelling it. We're not easily offended over here. Okay, I'm just gonna start yelling Shania Twain. Yes. We're yelling it into the universe. We're gonna manifest something.

I don't know what. I love it. It's gonna work. I was just listening to your episode when you guys were like, you know what, we're actually just going to impersonate tonight, Twayne. We're done here. Yeah.

Yeah. And we do a lot of impersonations. Really, really good impersonations. I love that. Yeah, Tyler does a spot on Lordderm. And he's been doing it since like day one. Uh-huh. That's the best.

And she said, we're in the middle of the Lord during Renaissance right now. Lord during a song. Yeah. Yeah. We also do heavy metal season serendin where she's like the front person of a death metal band. Oh my God. I love her so much. Which isn't that far off her suit. I was just going to say is that a parody though? It was that just like she's pretty heavy metal if you ask me.

Have you seen Step Mom? Yeah, no, I feel like that's just you said it at this point. And like here's the thing, we used to start off our episodes with those kind of like impressions. Like if anybody ever goes back and is like, I'm gonna listen to that spooky from day one.

You're gonna notice I like the first like 15 episodes. We were like, we're just gonna start with something stupid and whatever. And I love it. Like I would say 15 episodes we were like we're just gonna start with something stupid and whatever and I love it like I would say 15 episodes of Susan Sarandon and questions later and a good began maybe this is turning people away. I thought big and was with you guys God one was incredible. I love the wise guys And what I do get back from my kid, we're going to be a family.

Oh, my God. We're going to podcast tomorrow. Are you just going to be the biggest fear? I'm so upset. I'll never get to experience two skays at the monkey. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was her. Her gain, I got her bar.

She had two skays. And everybody would just wear wigs and get drunk. It began just one of the best. It's exactly like the invisible man. It is. Yeah. Exactly like it. Everybody would just wear wigs and get drunk at big angels. That's true, but that's the best. It's exactly like the invisible man. It is. Yeah. Exactly like it.

Well, here's the thing. If you really want to compare the two, the invisible man truly is just about a stunt queen that like gas lights is X. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what it is. The most intricate, wild way possible. Yes.

And you know what's in the interior? We were talking about this. I could see my ex doing this. Like while we were watching the movie, I was like, this is really freaking me out. And I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm actually afraid for you and I'm gonna leave your house now by.

Yeah, I was like, whoa. Well, hopefully optics have income so far? Yeah. Right. Hold it fully anyways, cause holy shit. Yeah, I guess we wouldn't know. That's the tea. They're not telling you it only exists in like rich people's houses.

I'm just gonna walk around like throwing paint into the abyss. Right. In coffee grounds. If it sticks. Yeah, just like Jackson Pollock, that shit. I'm gonna call it a seven. We love that.

We just have a big lasso, you know, and like, whip it around everywhere Wink it around That's really old air everywhere I feel like I knew it So this piece of cinematic marvel is led fearlessly by Elizabeth Moss where she plays Cecilia C. Cass So we know Elizabeth Moss. We've seen her in Handmaid's Tale,

we've seen her in Mad Men, we've seen her in West Wing, us, all that kind of stuff. I heard she's in Girl Interrupted. Oh, she is. Oh, she is. Oh. I thought that was a question. I just thought of that.

She is. I had no idea. Wikipedia told me earlier today. Do we know who she is? In Girl Interrupted? I can picture her in it. I just can't remember who she plays, but I can like visualize her. That's why.

Well, and she really kills it in this movie. Like, she does a really great job of being able to access. I was gonna say, like, there are certain points, like, when she finds out about Adrienne's death, all that kind of stuff, where you're just like, she is a mix of confused, scared, not really trusting the moment, but then also going through like legitimate sadness. Like she layers on so much of it. Yeah, and it's her face. Like she was right when she said

you can just like eliminate whole paragraphs of dialogue because her face is so expressive. And it's almost scary with like the lack of dialogue in certain scenes or like, what's gonna happen? Oh yeah. Absolutely. Well, I think she spends about 80% of the film with her lip-crawled back. Yeah, pretty sure. But I think that's what made oh yeah. Absolutely, well I think she spends about 80% of the film with her lip-crolled back.

Yeah, pretty sure. But I think that's what made the movie so effective as well as it wasn't a lot of this, like it wasn't tied down by exposition. Like we didn't need to see a build up to the fact that she needed to get out of her relationship and we didn't need to see how this invisible technology really worked.

Where you get that a lot in sci-fi movies where they're just trying to over-explain how it's possible. And this movie just didn't waste its time doing that. No, and I love that. And I like too that while we were watching it, I remember saying, Tasha, at one point, I was like, I wanna know like how bad he was to her. For a second, and then I was like,

wait a second, like, you don't need to see it. You don't need to see the abuse. You just believe her. And it's almost scary to like come up with that of the whole thing, you're like, I believe you. You don't need to see the abuse. You just believe it. And it's almost scary to come up with the whole thing. And you're like, I believe in you, all in mind. Yeah, exactly. Because you just see how traumatized she is and how terrified she is even to walk out to the box.

And it's like, I don't need to see what he did. You don't need to bog me down with the whole scene of him abusing her. Like, I get it. I believe it. Exactly. Because they're not using it to drive plotter or anything like that. Yeah. And yeah, I feel like because they're not using it to like drive plot or anything like that.

Yeah. And yeah, I feel like even by the end of it up until the very last moment, you're left in this position where you're like, regardless do you believe, you know, like we're just kind of left in that question. I mean, maybe that's a bit ambiguous there, but I just, I feel like that notion is carried forward until the very last moment in this movie,

where you're just like, believe it. 100% absolutely. Like this is warranted at the end last moment in this movie where you're just like, leave it. Yeah, 100%. Absolutely. Like this is warranted at the end of the day. Yeah. And I mean, like props to Oliver Jackson Cohen for playing Adrian Griffin. He was extremely unlikable. Yeah.

Oh, very unlikable. Yeah, he was. I would say. He did a great job with that. Between him and like the guy who played his brother, who's Jane and not Jane's Laniya, that's a character. But I'm Michael Dorman, who played Tom Griffin his brother, who just had the sweetest little eyes, looked like a child actor, but was a complete shape.

I feel like they both just embodied trash in a really believable way in this movie. They really did. Also gave off, when they revealed the brother, I was like, oh, yeah. He gave up, he's just like the robot. She's like, oh, stay away from me. It was not a deal.

Totally, it's like you a puppy dog, guys, but it's like a puppy husky, so they're also kind of dead, you know? Yeah. 100%. It's a lot to it. Totally. And Aldous Hodge plays James Lanier,

or James Lanyer, who's like seized confidante and like a long time family friend of her and her sister who will talk about it in a moment because she's a tree. Oh my God, her sister. Yeah. And I liked his character too. Like I liked that for once they made it like,

because I like that they made it like a male friend that she was staying with, but there was no romantic intention. I loved that. And there was never a question of it. It was never like, will they? Well, they will. It was like, no, he's just this good guy that's her friend. Like, they never do that in movies or TV shows. I feel like they always throw in like, let's make them, you know, have sex or let's make them have this weird

tension to them. They never did, which I liked. Does it like when you're in elementary school and your friends with somebody of the opposite gender, then all of a sudden you're automatically dating? And it's like, we're not just different. Exactly. Yeah, can we just be bros? Like, why is that?

Yeah, and like I feel like there was a lot of tension in their relationship, but just not a bit had to be sexual, which I think was like a power of the film. Exactly. And it's like they had bigger fish to fry. Exactly. They did.

There was enough tension everywhere else. We didn't need to add that. 100%. And I know we just hinted at it before but I just want to take a moment to appreciate Harriet Dyer who plays Emily Cass, the saucy sister of Cecilia who gives my favorite line in the whole movie. I love she's incredible. Alaina, that would be you. I think that's Alaina through and through. She's incredible. Alaina, that would be you. I'm like, that's Alaina through and through. Just like standing in the door,

we're like, I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life, boo, or I'm not trying to control you, boo. I loved that. The best. I love her. Yeah, we said that she spoke kind of like a beat knit poet or something, you know? She does.

She really does. It was like all of a sudden, her sister Alan Ginsburg just rolled in. I loved it. And she's Australian. She was good. It was like all of a sudden her sister Alan Ginsburg just rolled in. I loved it. And she's Australian. She was great. Is she really? Oh really?

Dad, this movie was shot in Australia. Oh shit. Oh shit. I did not know that. I did not know that. Yeah, and it turns out that she's in a bunch of comedy too. When I was looking through her Wikipedia page, I found a project called Sexy Herpes, which definitely got me interested.

Okay, girl, I'm sold. I know. I'm sold. I was like, boo, I'm following up. And those are really kind of like the nature players in the cast. We also have Storm Reed, who was in a wrinkle in time and euphoria on 12 years of sleep.

Oh, yeah. And she was great. She was playing Sydney Laniye, who's James's daughter. Anything to really comment on about the characters beyond that? Do we have any thoughts and feelings before we get into this breakdown? No, I think we nailed it. All right, let's James' daughter. Anything to really comment on about the characters beyond that? Do we have any thoughts and feelings before we get into this breakdown? No, I think we nailed it.

All right, let's stamp this, baby, and move on. All right, so I guess there's no place to start at the beginning. So we're starting in the dead of the night. It's the witch hour, actually. Oh, I wrote that in my notes. Oh, it's 3.42 a.m. man. Okay, so because of this, did you watch the entire beginning of this movie just waiting

for a fucking ghost to pop out? Yes. Or him to wake up. Yes. Yeah, right. Or like when she was looking at the cell phone footage, because like here's the TV. If you haven't watched the movie, again, I command you for listening to this. But then B, like she's basically getting up in the middle of the night and leaving her

boyfriend, who she has drugged, he's sleeping. she turns the cameras on him like sneaks out of the house. So she's like watching herself on the whole time. And as I watched it, like I've been conditioned by paranormal activity to be like the sheets are going to move on their own or he's going to be like drug by the ankles and pulled out of the room. Yes, 100%. You're waiting for a jump scare the entire movie, but especially in the

beginning. That's exactly what I thought. But they don't really give it to you. And I think that's one of the powerful things about the movie because they use the camera to kind of play with space in this way. That almost like it follows does in a stationary way. You're always checking the corners of the shots to go like is someone there or like when the camera moves. It's always very, it's always moved for a damn good reason. So like there's that shot at the beginning where Elizabeth Moss is getting out of the house. She's creeping out in the dead of night.

She kicks the dog bowl, it doesn't wake him up. So much anxiety. But then you see her in the kitchen for a moment and then the camera pans off her through a wall into a hallway where you're expecting Elizabeth Moss to be, but then she doesn't come there. And it's almost like paranormal activity style with the camera panning where it comes back to her on the path that it just followed and she's just about to leave the kitchen.

And they do that a lot throughout this movie. Yes. That's way more powerful, I think, than having all these jump scares. Absolutely, but then it also makes me go, is the brother there? Oh, that's a really good point. Yeah, that's right. That's shit. There's always a reason for that. Yeah, that's a good point.

It's really the only time that this convention is ever used in an empty way in the movie. Otherwise, whenever the camera moves, it's to indicate that he's there in some way. Yeah, you're right. So I feel like there probably is a reason for that. I also think it's like to get you in her kind of panic mode, almost like you're waiting for of like panic mode, like

almost like you're waiting for someone like she is. Absolutely. Yeah and I guess it's this whole idea with the brother where we find out in the end that he's been in on this whole plot. Maybe he's been on it a lot longer than just the moment in which he left. Has he always been there? Is he like paid staff by Adrian to keep an eye on her? I never thought about that before. That's a good point. I mean, they're in this giant mansion. It's like a palatial, like, ocean side property.

The coldest mansion, very weird setup. They pull out. Yeah, it's like, is this Elon Musk's air being beer or something like that? That's exactly what he said. He was like, Elon Musk lives there. Yeah. Or it's like some 50 shades of gray kind of shit at the beginning.

Like I was watching this being like this is the house of a man who was how to skydance her up his butt. Like I know it. Just like let go into it flying. He is so terrifying and this house is so terrifying. Yeah, absolutely. So. She goes down there. Yeah, and I mean like gorgeous home, but like it's just like so cold, so like polatial.

Like it's just it's like a compound. Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys seen Sleeping with the enemy with Julia Roberts? No. The beginning of this movie is like so similar to that and that's like a story of like an abuse of husband too. And they have a waterfront property. So it took me right to that movie too. Yeah. Because it's isolated. It's only one way in, only one way out. Yeah, exactly.

Unless you go into the ocean. Yeah. And I mean, that's kind of what we're seeing with Cecilia earlier on, where she's like, well, there's one way out. He's watching me everywhere. We come to find out he's like this optics genius. She has him drugged,

but you know, she essentially has to like go and disarm all the cameras and like turn everything off before she can even leave. But that's when we first get into his lab and we see all the random suits that are there which are just like a weird kind of like red herring because you're like imagining one of them is gonna start moving.

Oh yeah. But you get to kind of like see like his setup and you see this like weird chamber that she kind of eyes for a moment which kind of tells us like she's not even fully aware of all the stuff that's in her house which is just like, I'm sorry for you because there could be like a really good sound system

that you're just not aware of yet. Yeah. Yeah, like Bluetooth connectivity in every room. You don't even know this shit but basically she knows enough to be able to turn off all the cameras and then make her escape. Which is when we meet another low-key star of the film who I stan zoops.

Yes. Why couldn't she just bring us? Yes. I know. She didn't want to leave him. That's the thing. And it's like, she's like out in the car port. You think that she's about to make it.

And then this dog shows up. And then, you know, he's just as bound to the fucking land as she is because he's got this shot collar on. So she decides to take him with her. But then he hits the alarm on the car. So her whole plan goes to shit. And then suddenly Cecilia is like running across the front lawn, trying to get over a fence before the lights start

turning on back at the house. And poor Zeus is just like running around. Thinking about climbing that wall gave me the most anxiety of the entire movie. I was like, I just wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah, like taking down my own upper body strength. Right. The stress of that whole scene was overwhelming.

Like by the end of it, I was like, yeah, like you're taking a deep breath. Like she is, like I felt like I was there. Well, absolutely, because then she makes it out to the road and kind of breathe the sigh of relief, but still the whole time, it goes really horror movie for a moment where you're suddenly watching the woods. He's gonna jump out at any moment now.

She gets in the car and you have some sense of reprieve, but then he basically shows up before they get to leave and breaks the fucking windows. So it's like the expectation is met. That was the scariest thing ever. That was savage. When he broke the window, I was like, oh damn. Well, and that's interesting,

because it's really like all the proof that you need as the viewer in the movie. It's like as soon as you see him react to her, you know, running away from him like that and expecting her to come crawling back to him, it's like, what is his endgame? Like does he think that he's gonna break the window of the car and then they're gonna stop and go,

we see your man. You know what, A.D. Sorry. Miss you. This won't happen again, come and back. Because like she gets out to the road, it turns out that she's like arranged with her sister to come meet her or something like that.

She gets in the car, drops the pills that she druged him with and then A.D.R.N. shows up. But then she's free, supposedly. Also, during that whole time, I was like, Emily, calm down, just drive the car, stop asking questions. Because she's like, what's going on? I know, it's like this is not about that woman right now.

But I feel like the fact that the movie doesn't hit all of this exposition, it makes you wonder because the relationship between her and her sister Emily seems kind of tense, seems kind of strained. It seems like maybe, I know when skipping ahead, it gets into that email that she supposedly sent it. Or sent it. It was a sented email. It was a sented email. It smelled great. But there was one line that they cut to and it was like, I wish you were dead instead of.

I saw that too. Yeah, I saw that too. So my mind went to thinking that maybe it was their parents. So they had this kind of like two against the world. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you also come to find out a little bit later that they just hadn't been talking for a while. Like when their ad chains has had us a little bit later on.

So there is some obvious strain there. But still not enough to make it be like, oh, I'm picking you up in the dead of the night as you're escaping your abusive boyfriend's habits. Excuse me, let's fill in the gaps. She was so quick to accept that that email was written by her sister. And like, she was a cop.

She has to know that people can hack into things and do this. It's like, but she was so quick to believe that she wrote all that. I was like, yeah, there's a weird dynamic here. Yeah, there's some shit we didn't see. Yeah, so what has he done in the past? Exactly.

Because I was thinking of like Ash. I was like, if Ash, if I got an email from her, like that, I'd be like, who the fuck wrote that? I was like, that was an Ash like that. You're like, that bitch hates confrontation. Exactly. It's like, you would think that she would just like, take a moment to be like, okay,

well, all this other weird shit's happening. She's been telling me all this other whack-a-doo stuff. Maybe I should actually believe this moment. Yeah. But again, no. No, move. It's Emily's world and you just did a estimate. Door slam.

So like, Emily gets her tinted windows punched out. Cecilia's dropped the pills. Adrian's left in the middle of the road, like leather face at the end of Texas change. That's all I can think of too. I wrote that down too. We are the chainsaw. Oh my god, yeah.

Yeah, and that's kind of where we leave that whole scenario and she's gotten away and then we pick up two weeks later at her friend James's house who we come to find out is like a family friend and she's been living and then we pick up two weeks later at her friend James's house who we come to find out as like a family friend and she's been living with him and his daughter and again not leaning into the exposition. We don't know if he's, you know, how he became a single parent, what exactly that story is,

but we just kind of fall into this dynamic. And it turns out that Elizabeth Moss is like, or Cecilia is like super scared of, you know, going out. Like Hugh, because of you by Kelly Clarkson. She's too afraid to go and get the mail, a jogger coming by scares her before she can get out to the box, which like, I don't fucking blame you. If you've got somebody who's like this abusive to you,

like, I'm not making light of abuse here, but like, she's obviously freaked out, and then she's googling articles about being watched and blotting out her webcam lens and all this kind of stuff. And it's like, it's paranoia city. Yeah, absolutely. And because she knows that he was an optic genius, so it's like anything is fair game for him.

Totally. And what the thing is, when I started out this movie, I was at first like optics. I thought that was just like light and lenses and stuff like that. Like I didn't realize that in Compass, all that in truly in Compass. I didn't, yeah. Cause at first I just thought they were like

blinding us with signs. And they're like, he works in optics. You know, it's like some of you walking in be like, damn contracts at the end of a day. Yeah. I guess I was reading a bit about optics. And I guess one of the real world things that they're trying to use optics for

is to redirect earthquakes. Oh, no way. I have no idea how that works, but they're apparently able to manipulate like the vibrations over something. I can't even begin to explain it, but that's something they are considering to be a reality someday. Is they'll be able to like diverge those things away from like cities and places where people live. It's crazy. That's so cool. That's awesome. That's brilliant.

I wonder if they'd be able to will people to come to my birthday. Oh my god. Oh my god. With the optics. Thank you, Elon Musk. So they're at the house. Everything is, I'm not going to say everything's cool.

Everything's not really cool. But then Emily arrives. No. And again, it's Emily's world. So she comes in and Cecilia is kind of like shutttering her down. She doesn't really want to hear it. She's like, I told you not to come find me. And Emily is just kind of like, okay.

And then we got the best line in the movie, which is, well, I'm not trying to control you, boo. But I'm here to tell you he's dead. She's like, boom, read this. He's dead. I love it. I could hear this line coming out of Torre Spelling's mouth and believe she's not.

Such a power move. But we're like back at the house. Emily is just like, well, honey, I'm not going anywhere. Is doing like Z snaps in the air, basically. And then we come to find out that Adrian has allegedly committed suicide. Allegedly. And this is when Elizabeth Moss

like really shows us about six different emotions at the same time. Like she goes on like, journey. And like you come to find out as they're like sitting around the table that they haven't spoken in a while. And then you, this is kind of where Elizabeth Moss is finally explaining to people exactly how controlling and horrible Adrian truly was to her.

Yeah. And in a short period of time too. Like they make it see, because I think they say they met in like 2017 or something. Right. Yeah. So it seems like it was a very small period of time that he got really abusive really fast. Yeah. And she said that he like controlled what she wore and what she ate, what she said where she went. He was physically abusive. And ultimately he wanted a baby, which is kind of what drove her away. Yeah. And we find out that she's been secretly taking

birth control. And you know, she just realized that she couldn't live up to that facade for too long. And then that's kind of what led us to these events that we're in right now. Yeah, absolutely. But this does lead Elizabeth Mastofine, we feel empowered enough as a person to go out and get the fucking male. Yeah, she does. She gets the hot male and slams it right on that table. Which is then when she gets to eat the mail, the letter that she's got all this money coming to her. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Which is so scary, though, because you're like, how did they know she was there? Yeah, exactly. Well, that's kind of a thing. And then it's also just like in this moment where you get really excited for Elizabeth Moss' character. But then at the same time, you're just like, oh, well, this is just another form of control that he's exerting over her.

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Huge. Definitely. And we also, if they're not married, then she's not necessarily entitled to any of the money that he has. And so why is she being given this money? Exactly. It's all another form of control. Yeah, it just feels really gross. So she like sits down at the table, she looks at this letter, you know, she goes, I've got to go to this meeting.

And the next thing we know, we meet the brother. And we're in like an office building, some high rise at a table. She's there with her sister who's kind of acting as her representative. And he is reading this letter from Adrian, which is essentially reading Cecilia to dog shit, and being like, all of this is your fault.

And even though I'm giving you this money, I need to let you know how horrible you are, victim of abuse. Yeah, and he's like so enjoy bitch, essentially. Mm-hmm. And then we're like going through it. It's a really awkward meeting. They kind of shut the shit down right away. And they're discussing like the logistics of this. So basically Cecilia is going to get five million dollars.

It's going to be dispersed to her. I think a hundred thousand dollars a month for, you know, a few years or something like that. Which is a really great deal. I mean, that's enough to kind of get anybody excited. Yeah, definitely. I'm into it. But it's under the stipulation that she's of sound mind. She doesn't commit a crime, any of that kind of stuff. And you still don't fully understand why she's getting this money. Like, you can tell, like, at this point Elizabeth Moss

is character is, like, really excited, but she's also just a mix of, like, when is the other shoe gonna drop here? Yeah. And you see the urn in this room where Adrian is, which I think is really weird as it is because it's like wearing a business here right now. And that urn just, I know, isn't sitting there.

So it's like, did you put him there to be at the meeting? Just to be, like, who's dog is in that urn? I wanna know. Exactly. Well, and it's almost like too, like, look, he's dead. Yeah. Like trying to prove it. And also just it's almost like, too, like, look, he's dead. Yeah. Like, trying to prove it. And also just trying to prove, like, I think he kind of knows

that she wouldn't look in the earn. Yeah. Nobody's going to cross that line and be like, oh, well, let's fucking see. Let me see his cremated ashes. Exactly. She's like, I want to taste that. And then she's like, get enough fun,

to put it back. And she's like, I'm not going to out of shit. That reminds me of that episode. I think it was an episode of my strange addiction where there was a woman who was addicted to eating her husband's ashes. I forgot about that. You're right. Yeah.

And she was getting a lot of anxiety over the fact that they were almost gone. And she didn't know what she was going to do when she's eating them. You got to go kill a man and eat his ashes. Yeah. And then you had to watch his family watch her eat the ashes. So fun. Like what a way to cement yourself is like the worst in-law ever.

Yes. Yep, seriously. It's like just slowly sitting there, like looking at me in the eyes, dipping your hand in the ashes, looking at your hand. I just cannibalizing their family members. You're right, he's really mine now. Exactly. Yeah, it's wild.

It really is. And I mean, speaking of wild, now Sicily is walking out of this meeting, not only with confirmation of all this shit, but with quite a full bank account. She sure is. She is flush for cash. She is back at home, and she is playing Santa. She is flush for cash. She is back at home and she is playing

Santa. She's giving out gifts. Yeah, she's like sugar mom a style like you want a ladder baby. I'll give you a ladder. You want a bank account with $10,000 a month to go to Parsons school. James's daughter Sydney. You got that. Like I want a sugar childhood best for her. Right. Right. I was like where's my Cecilia? There's also really I think sweet scene to see so that we could see that other side of her. Yeah. Because we didn't really get that. And you could see what a joyful person she can be

when she's not terrified. Yeah, when she's not completely under Adrienne's thumb. Yeah, and you kind of see her being like dorky and fun and like bringing up the bottle of champagne and kind of like fooling around. Yeah. I mean, it's just like a really good time. I mean, it's her opening. I think it's a really good time. see her being like dorky and fun, and like bringing up the bottle of champagne, and you know, kind of like fooling around. Yeah.

I mean, it's just like a really good time. I mean, it's her opening. I think it like further shows you to how much he like broke her down as a person. Absolutely. Because when you first meet her, she's just so traumatized and so like, in this one spot of just like being on alert,

being terrified, and then you get to see this and you're like, holy shit, he really did a number on her. Mm-hmm. Well, you also come to like find out about her, like she's like wearing like a cowl poly like architecture hoodie at the top of her head. Like there's a lot of indication here that like Elizabeth Moss up to this point has lived a very full life.

Yes. Like I think she mentions that she was like living in Paris or something like that or is like somewhere out in Europe. Yeah. I think that's like where they met or something like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So we're seeing a glimmer of like who she is. Like, you know, after like all of this time of being with him,

you know, kind of tamping her down under his thumb. So it's nice. Yeah. And she's starting to feel more human and she's like occupying space in the house a little bit more. She's making breakfast the next morning. Actually I'm jumping the gun because before she's making breakfast she's in a room that night. And this is when we start to get the sense of like oh fuck he's there.

Like there's something going on. But she's in the room. Her room looks like a studio apartment. I don't know if it's a room. Like it's got like a bathroom coming off of it.. It's very sweet. But essentially she's in there. She's putting her stuff away. She's feeling comfortable and she's nesting. That's the key. And in this moment of comfort, you start to hear these weird sounds in the background. And she hears breathing. That's like disembodied. And it suddenly plays into this idea of,

oh, something isn't as it seems. And-hmm. And then that scene, I was like, trying my high-keyp saying that, I was like, some's there. I got to see. I got to see, I was like staring at the screen, trying to find anything out of place. Definitely, and that was kind of the fun thing about the movie too, because I mean,

we're coming into it, it's the invisible man. We have a sense of what's going to happen. So it really does play with your expectations, and you're looking for all those little clues. Exactly. I didn't notice it until the second watch, but when she is making breakfast, I think like the next day,

you actually see the knife disappear off. Yep, I didn't notice it the first watch. I had to watch it again and I was like, oh shit, because you would told me that. And it almost looks like it fell off the counter, but you never hear it drop to the floor. Totally. And then you can also hear like the burner being turned up.

Like you can hear the gas being let in. Yeah. So like it's just very delicate stuff that they're doing, but it like really sets the mood. It is, and you know who does that? Lee Wannell. There she is. Lee Wannell, master of setting a mood.

He does. He's like riding around on his tricycle with a boom box like, like, Luther Fandross just set me in the middle of the game. He does. He's a master. You all know and all over the place. He's got enough money not to worry. Yeah, no. We got to tag him in this episode. Me really. Right. Can we start the fan club right here? Yes. Maybe that's what we call this episode. It's not like spooky morbid. It's like... Lee O'Honnell.

That's it. Yeah. Just Lee O'Honnell. I love that. I love it. Lee O'Honnell doesn't make an appearance in this movie, does he? Unfortunately, no. I don't think so.

I don't think so either. I feel like I want to see him. Unless I don't know, they focus so much on the guy that goes by in the hospital, just jumping ahead a little bit. Once the Celia ends up in the hospital and a guy is rolled by her, they make so much of an effort to focus in on that guy.

They do. Oh, with the bandages? Yeah. I wonder if that was him. It could have been. Well, I think they do this in other parts of the movie too, where they put these little easter eggs. So if you've watched the invisible man, you get these kind of images. Yeah. Like you get that moment in the hospital with the bandage covered body where it looks like the original

interpretation invisible man. Yep. And then the bedroom, just get ahead as well. You get like the top hat and the coat on Yeah, on the co-wrack or whatever. So you kind of get that silhouette of the invisible man in the dark room. You're right. Like in the bed as well. So I mean, like, Liewa now, I mean, you're giving me the vapors over here.

Right. Liewa now. It's like paying homage to the original. Liewa knows how to do it, man. It does. I absolutely appreciate that. Although I will say, if I had to suggest one thing to Liewa now

for this movie, it would be that there just aren't enough pranks in it. You know what I mean? I feel like the invisible man could have done a lot more to fuck with people on the tour. Absolutely. Because that's what I would be like. 100%.

Yeah, and I'm like am I a freak for thinking that? Oh, yeah. No. Okay, good. I'm glad, because I would be like, seren wrapping people's toilet bowls and stuff like that. Oh, yes. Well, I mean, if you're looking for the pranks to route into the

indivisible person story, you need to watch invisible mom and invisible dad and invisible dog. That's true. By the very true. Yeah, I think they're available on YouTube, actually. Probably. Yeah. Nobody's copyrighting that stuff.

Oh, hell no. Column Activity. It's like those kind of movies that everybody just used pseudonym's in. Yes. Exactly. It's like, fart the movie, have you ever heard of that? Oh my god, no, but I'm so glad I got that. There's a movie called, Fart the Movie.

Amazing. And it's just about this guy that loves Farts and his girlfriend, thinks that he's stupid. And he's like, oh no, Farts are hilarious, and then he takes a nap. And he dreams about like being in a world where everybody thinks that farts are like the funniest thing in the world. And it was such a bad movie that like, not a single person that was in it used their real name.

That is, oh my God. Amazing. That that exists just makes me happy. I gotta watch that. This is fart, the movie. It's so fart, the movie. Knowing that it's out there. Yeah, and this is like in the analog days.

So it's like there were multiple people involved. Like this just wasn't like somebody like sitting at home on their iPhone. Wow. Yeah, I love that. But I mean to get back into like the invisible man, like they're basically in this world now where Elizabeth Moss is just starting to get these hints

piling up all around her that she is in fact being watched. I mean like she had the thing in the bedroom, the next morning, she is in the kitchen, everything's good, the knife disappears, the burner gets turned up, so that a fire is started on the fucking stove. Which Elizabeth Moss has no idea how to put out and thank God we have Sydney there,

it's 16-year-old, to not throw water on a grease fire. I tried to totally, but I'm done fire. Which I totally would have done. I feel you Elizabeth wants to. I feel like it would be your natural instinct is like, oh, fire water. Let's put it out with water. And then we burned down a house. And that's how my house will get burned down.

I also feel like it's a great moment for James Wanel because he's always thinking of us to kind of be like, you know what, Elizabeth Moss' character is right for like 97% of this movie. Let's have her make one wrong. Yeah, it's true, like it made her more human. Like humanizer, yep.

Yeah. Exactly. I appreciate her in that way. And then basically we're just like following Elizabeth Moss' life, you know, as clues are starting to stack up. So the next shots are at night. And this is when it really starts to get like conjuring levels.

Yeah, so scary. Because she wakes up in the middle of the night to footsteps all around the house. She's in like her own private room. And then basically she goes out to follow these footsteps and you know, these sounds that she's hearing throughout the home. And in everyone's worst fear,

she's in like the living room, open concept kitchen, whatever. She has her back turned to the front window in the door and then all of a sudden, over her shoulder, that fucking door just opens on its own. Terrifying, absolutely terrifying. And it was so built up too. Absolutely.

And then she goes out there and tries to figure out what's going on and then you get the shot of her just like sitting out there and tries to figure out what's going on, and then you get the shot of her just sitting out there looking at the neighborhood, and you think, you know, like, okay, she doesn't see anyone, she's in the clear, and then the breath behind her. Yes, oh, that was like chef's kiss, perfection. It was so spooky.

And I think that's what they did so well with this movie. It takes those aspects of a horror film, like a paranormal haunting, but then centers it in the real world. So it's a mix of paranormal, but then it's found it in true crime if you were to create them with those categories. Because exactly what you're saying,

it's ghostly, but it's a real man. So it gives you both of those. Like, this is not okay either. Like, this is too real, too real. Every sound I hear is the invisible man. Well, and it's cool too, because the invisible man kind of always existed in this world. Because when I think of horror, I always

think of like, pre-viate norm horror in a lot of ways. It's like very gothic, very, you know, like otherworldly. And then after kind of norm and that whole moment in the 70s, we start to get like the last house on the roof and the slash movie. And suddenly the scary person is no longer this like gothic idea of a monster, but it's the person next to you or the person down the road for a second.

And I feel like, you know, the invisible man always kind of existed as a real-world person up to devious things using mystical means in this like kind of more gothic era. And it's kind of cool to see that character moved into the current day and still, and not still, but actually become that kind of handshake between these more paranormal, spooky stories and these real world monsters that we all know in our everyday lives. So, so true. Because he's using, instead of magical, mystical means to do this, it's like he's using technology and science.

So it's all melding together to still make this spooky as fuck like ghostly image. Right. Yeah, and he's using like science and human logic to gaslight somebody and just strike fear in the notway, which is super powerful and just fuck. Exactly. So after this moment outside, we come back in the house.

Cecilia is thoroughly scared and she goes in bed with Sydney. And this is when shit just pops off even. Oh yeah. Because you see them like peacefully in bed together, they're under the covers, sleeping, it's all good. And then you start to see these flashes, which at first you're like, if somebody turning the lights on in the room,

but oh no, honey, the invisible man, is there as a floating cell phone at the foot of her bed taking photos of her. That's insane. The first time I watched this, I actually didn't even notice the flashes. I don't know if I like looked away or something. And then the second time I watched this, I actually didn't even notice the flashes. I don't know if I looked away or something, and then the second time I was like, oh shit.

Yeah. So Lily, and that's the thing, so that's not enough to wake her up. So then she's just laying there. And you kind of, you have this moment where you're like, is he wearing the top hat and jacket? Because this is the moment where you see the sort of out of the foot of the bed.

They're doing this thing that a lot of horror movies do, where you're in like a pitch black scene and they're slowly introducing a little bit more light to kind of like make it seem like your eyes are just in the dark. Yeah, and then how it feels to wake up. Yeah, so you go from like being like utterly confused to then trying to find a form in the darkness,

which causes all of this anxiety. And Elizabeth Mosk gets out of bed, she's trying to figure out what's going on, she's got a blanket in her hand, and throws it on a chair. And you think she's about to catch the invisible man, but no, honey. You know what, I fooled me.

I thought we were gonna get a paranormal activity moment. Mm-hmm. Absolutely, but also if I were pulling that shit on somebody, this would not be my moment to lounge. Oh, no, definitely not. Definitely not. It's your predictable. And it also makes you go, like, wouldn't you be my moment to lounge. Oh, no, definitely not. Definitely not, too predictable. And it also makes you go, like,

wouldn't you hear the chair squeak? Yeah, that's true. Mm. Tyler was reading something somewhere, and like, I don't think this takes the piss out of things, but there was something about shadows, right? Oh, yeah, I was saying if this invisible suit was possible, which is why I appreciate the movie doesn't go

into this kind of like exposition, but if an invisible suit was possible, it would be able to reflect the world around it, but it wouldn't be able to eliminate shadows. Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's good to know for my fears at night. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, we do want to have that. But then here's the thing, like she's in the room, she throws the blanket. He is not caught in said blanket, so she's like, all in the room, she throws the blanket, he is not caught in said blanket,

so she's like, all right, well, gonna go back to bed on her way there, guess who's stepping on the blanket. Now, in the moment where she can like very clearly tell that he's like on the other end of the blanket, panning it behind her, she kind of like pauses, and I'm like, this is the moment where you throw that blanket up.

Because this is your conflict. But it doesn't really go there. She essentially just watches the footsteps come toward her. She then calls out for James and he comes into the room and is basically just like, I feel like he's in this position where he's like trying to believe his friend. But then at the same time, he's not trying to scare the shit out of his entire room.

Oh yeah, he's in a bad position. So he's just like, stop letting this asshole haunt you to this very big. Absolutely, he's in a bad,. So he's just like, stop letting this asshole haunt you to this very big. Absolutely, he's in a bad, he's like, we're caught between a rocket hard boys with that one. Yeah. Cause he doesn't want to dismiss her,

like paranoia, he doesn't want to just be like, well, you're crazy. So let's move on. Like he's, he probably knows, you know, she's been a victim of abuse. Let's try to delicately go about this and like, not say that this sounds crazy But at the same time he's trying not to be like yeah

Your ex is probably back from the dead and silently haunting you to like right in front of his daughter Right, yeah, and I love that moment with the pepper spray where she had no and here's like what he's like He's like what are you doing with that? And she's like you He's like not for this. He's like not for invisible people. It's like, what are you doing with that? And she's like, you bet. And he's like, not for this. He's like, not for invisible people, this makes sense. Yeah. That's kind of the thing. It's like, we cover like some spooky, geeky shit on our podcast. And every now and then somebody will be haunted.

And they try to shoot a ghost. And it's like, what's the memory? Like, that's not gonna work, sis. Do you have ghost bullets? What's the big ear? Yeah, it doesn't work that way, sorry. But then basically, you know, James just kind of comes in. He's like, sorry Cecilia, don't know what to tell you.

It looks like the invisible man has noped the fuck out of there and they go back to sleep with no other occurrences that night we believe. But the next time we jump into Cecilia's life, she's at a job interview and this doesn't go so well. So she's there with like this guy interviewing her. She's at some architecture firm. It's like really hip, really cool.

He's like a $2 Ryan Gosling. I call him Brian Gosling. He's also super creepy during the whole interview. You're like, I'm okay. Very. Are you sure you want to work here, Steve? He's like Stephen Gosling.

Yeah, don't do it. He's like John Gosling. Yeah, he really is. But that's the thing. So it's like, Ryan Goslin is just kind of sitting there interviewing her, you think everything's OK. And then she goes to Pulitzer Portfolio, and nothing's there.

Everybody's worst nightmare, like aside from having no pants on when you look down. Yeah, absolutely. And he's pretty understanding about it. He's just kind of like, well, you can email to us afterward all that kind of stuff. But then he gets further complicated when in Cecilia just starts zoning out out of nowhere,

kind of in that that's so raven moment at first. And then you're like, now something's really wrong. And then she passes out on the floor, which is like, what a way to really come off looking like a message your job interview. Yeah, you really didn't nail this one, Cecilia. Yeah, I mean, like if this were any different circumstance, I would say if you like forgot your homework and passed out at the job interview, you're probably not going to call back for a second probably.

But I'm not blaming Cecilia in this moment. Yeah, exactly. Because we come to find out, like, when she gets home in the next shot, she gets a call from the hospital explaining exactly what the deal is. And this is when it's discovered that she has been drugged with exactly, she had druged Adrian with before. And as she's getting the call from the hospital, she's not deal is. And this is when it's discovered that she has been drugged

with exactly she had drug Adrian with before. And as she's getting the call from the hospital, she's in the washroom, like brushing her teeth or whatever, turns around and that bottle of pills that she dropped as she was getting away from Adrian at the top of the movie is now sitting there on the counter, staring her in the face. With the blood smear on it and everything.

Just fucked. And like here's the thing, it's like, my mind automatically went, how does Adrian know that she's getting this phone call to like set up this dramatic moment? Like this is how you know he's a stunt queen. Yeah. Because like he's coordinating the ship with phone calls.

I don't know. And like my other question at this point is like, okay, Adrian is essentially like stalking her in this invisible suit. Does body odor come into play at all? Like how do you get that close to somebody and have them not smell you?

That's a very good point, especially when it's like a second skin suit. Yeah. That should it doesn't breathe. And it's like latex. Maybe it's like that fart underwear that just like locks in the smell. So then when he takes it off at the end of the day,

it's just unleashes this like cloud of stamps. And it's like feeding his hair. That's why he needs that big open house. So you can just take it off and run through the house. Absolutely. We've answered all the questions. Yep. Did you guys hear?

You just lost a hair out after a shower. At the end, too, like on the phone call, you can hear the woman on the other line say, and I also wanted to talk to you about, and then it totally goes blank, but it's like foreshadowing for what happens later. Oh. Right, because they would have known she was pregnant.

I caught that today. I hadn't caught it the first two times I watched it. I totally didn't get it. I did that. I feel like every time you watch this, you're like, oh shit, that, yeah. Definitely, there's definitely been moments upon rewatching, and then you try to like break it down and be like,

oh well, maybe this doesn't make sense. But then when you think about it, everything lines up. Like even the things that seem a bit shaky, plot-wise, there's always something that can kind of speak for why that happened. It explains it away. Yeah, so smart. I got two words for you.

Leave one out. There it is. There it is. And you know what? Not to overtalk up, leave one out. But if you like the soft film, like the first soft film,

when like he stands up at the end, you're like, what the fuck? And then you're like, that doesn't make sense, but then you go through the whole thing and you're like, all of that makes sense. Like he's a master at like those little things. Because I remember watching that and being like, nope, nope, and then watching it again

and being like, shit, yes. And you're like, all of it makes sense. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. She's brilliant. She's like, he gives us a lot of moments where you're just like, doing that thing where your arms are just like, it looks like you're looking for a table to flip.

Yes. Absolutely. It does. Such a good quality in a movie. So like, Snellavision aside, we now know that, you know, he's like super fucking with her, he's dragging her right back, and like Cecilia is just like, well, only one thing to do about this. Let's go see his weirdly cute. I'm not weirdly cute.

Oh, I'm going back on that one. His brother. Right. He's going to see his brother. His kid. The one with the dad eyes. Yeah. The adult child actor.

Yeah. He's a ventriloquist dummy. That's what it is. He looks like the ventriloquist dummy from Goosebumps. Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Wow. Shit.

I can't unsee that now. I was just having a moment where I was like, what is this image I'm trying to parse out in my head? And it's like that's it. And the weird thing is he also is like a ventriloquist dummy. He literally really, wow, that was symbolic. He's Adrian's little puppet. He is.

Mm-hmm, man. Thank you, RL Stone. Oh, RL Stein. And so like, now we're back with the brother, and she is basically just like, listen here, you child actor. I know that your brother is fucking with me. I don't know. She's like Lagonja Estrangea in season six on Tuck to recall Strad Grey.

She's like Adorda Lano. I know you were coming for me. I don't know exactly how or when you came for me, but I just feel like you did. Wow. It's one of those situations. It really works. And then basically, she's just like, look, I remember when he was still around,

I was sitting there not saying a damn word to him. And then suddenly he's repeating my thoughts back to me. She had been, like she says to the brother, like she's like, I know this has to be something. Because I was sitting there one day thinking about leaving him. And he's just like, Hey, if you ever try to leave me, I will always find you. And someday I will just walk up to you without you even realizing I'm there and give you a sign. Which is exactly what he just fucking did. Yeah. Exactly.

So basically she's just like, this is the reality. And then the brother is just again, like given big Emily energy, he's just like, well, sorry boo, let me tell you, I hate my brother just as much as you hate my brother. And then they start just enjoying the crime scene photos together for a moment. Because who wouldn't? Exactly. I feel like, alright, let's take a look now.

Yeah, he's just sitting there in like a random, potentially rented office with his brothers ashes and the crime scene photos of his suicide. Exactly. They're very gruesome crime scene photos. Just like casually in his top desk drawer. Yeah. It's just what people do.

If you have a loved one who's been brutally murdered, you just, you know, you like to have those crime scene photos on hand. You got it, right? That's how he eyes he's dead. You need to calm their former spouse. You're like, you know what? Take a look at this. It'll make you feel better. I got to calm their former spouse. You're like, you know what, take a look at this.

It'll make you feel better. I got this on deck for you. It'll always be worse. Yeah, at least you're not Adrian. He just like turns on family portrait by pink on the background. He's like, let's look at some pictures. Let's have a journey together through these.

I know, I really feel like I'm just creating a new soundtrack for this. You really are, I'm better. I'm really wondering why everywhere to me by Michelle Branch wasn't included at any point in this movie. Oh my God, I'm here for your version of the music. You need to rewrite this.

Or invisible by Clay Akin. Oh my God. You see a visible man, the musical. We have a lot of projects to work on. Oh my God, or that 98-degree song, where they're like, baby to you, all I am is the invisible man. Oh my God, I forgot that existed.

Shit. Wow, you're bringing it back. We have a lot on our agenda, everyone. We really do. What if Nicholas Shae were the invisible man? Okay, Nicholas Shae is the invisible man. I wish he was invisible. We got it's like, Nick and Jessica and Newlyweds,

but the invisible man, they could like redo this in quarantine on Zoom. I would love this. We rewatched a little bit of Newlyweds recently because we just randomly wanted to and the holy shit. Yeah. That is the bleakest show you will ever watch it. I used to think it was so like hard and funny. You watch it now and you're like, wow, this is depressing a shit. Like this is the beach. Y'all hit each other from day one. He was so mean. Yeah, it's like, wow, you absolutely have no respect

for your spouse. That episode where he's picking bad sheets stands out so much to me in my memory. It is infuriating. You watch it and you're like, wow, this is not enjoyable at all. No, you're like, I feel like I should not be watching this. Yeah, I shouldn't be seeing these moments too intimate.

That's kind of like early reality TV for you. I mean, like, because that's around the same time that we had Brittany and Kevin K. Otis. Oh my God. That's true. Yeah, they were just trying to figure shit out. They were a lot. Yeah, they really pushed the boundaries

with early reality TV show. I remember there was one where they would get people to do a lie detector test in front of a lie volume in front of their spouse. I was just out of that. And just getting interrogated from one of them. Oh, I remember that. There was one that we just found out about called Kid Nation,

where they took like 40 kids under the age of 15, put them out in like a Wild West village and had them build a society Lord of the Flies style. What the fuck? I remember watching that as a kid. It's on YouTube. Oh my God, I need to rewatch that. That's so bleak.

That was a moment in time. This is very dark, a quarantine podcast series waiting to happen. It's like a watcher on the kid nation. Wow, that's dark. That's dark. That's new blitz. You're like imagining that at the end,

it truly turns out like over the flies. And there's like one kid just piggy-dunder over all of us. They're all hallucinating that somebody's come to see me. But it's actually like Mark Burnett and like a reality crew. Oh my God, yes. Oh. Well, speaking of gaslighting, actually, that actually kind of leads us perfectly back into where we're going.

It really goes. Because at this point, after the little meeting with the Husky-eyed Ventura Quiz dummy brother, we then go back to, I'm not going to check you boo Emily's house and she is not happy about these emails because now we discover that somebody has hacked Cecilia's email account and is sending incendiary emails to the people that she loves. She is displeased. Mm-hmm.

And this is the moment in the film where I finally noticed that Emily has chunky Kelly clocks and high notes. They're real bad. As a hairstylist, they made my stomach turn. It's true. Ash was like, dear God. It's like they were trying to make her as unlikeable as possible at times. Because she gets really unlikeable a little bit later on.

But this is the point where you're just like, well, you don't believe your sister. Because she's like, I didn't write these emails, dude. And she's like, well, sorry, boo, you don't believe your sister because she's like, I didn't write these emails, dude. And she's like, well, sorry, boo, you did. And basically, it turns out that like in this email, Cecilia's called her suffocating, but all T.M. Lee seems kind of suffocating. It's true. It's true, she really does it, time.

She's like weirdly likable sometimes and then like super hateable other times. Yeah. Yeah. Like nobody deserves this, but it's like, well, I mean, maybe take the criticism. Yeah. And then Like nobody deserves this, but it's like, well, I mean, maybe take the criticism. Yeah. And then at the end of the day, she's basically just like Cecilia, you need medication, get off my doorstep, closes the door in her face. And then Cecilia goes back home and confirms that yes, this email was sent from her computer at 6am, and she just breaks down

into tears. So sad. Well, and her sister was so mean to her, she's like,'s like, if you're too stupid to realize who the good guys are and too weak to get away from them, then that's on you. And you're like, little harsh, bitch, little harsh. Yeah, really? Yeah, especially to a victim of a vans. Yeah. She was not understanding. Yeah, not understanding at all.

And in this world of like, internet, spam and stuff. Like it's just totally believable that somebody would hack an email and send terrible emails to people in your contact list. Yeah, if anything, you just got confirmation that Adrienne's brother is extremely unlikable. Right. So like, even if you don't believe that Adrienne is not dead, you might be able to believe that it was the problem. Yeah, definitely.

Like, do you really think Cecilia said all of that to you? Like, let's take a look at Cecilia. I don't think she wrote that to you. Right. And you just like, majorly helped her out. It's like, I don't think, given the character we've seen so far, that she would be like turning on the people that have helped her like that.

Exactly. No way. But this is what he does. And she even says it in the movie. It's like, he does this shit to isolate me. Which is like, classic abuse. Because we also don't know what he's maybe done to Emily behind Cecilia's back,

that Cecilia is unaware of to make her react that way. Yeah, that's true. Absolutely. Yeah, because then we come back to the house and like Cecilia, like I was saying, confirmed the email is in a ball crying. And this is when Sidney, James's daughter comes up and is like, hey, maybe we can like do a girls night,

eat some cake, it'll be cute. And as she's going to help Cecilia off the floor, this invisible hand slaps her across the face further gaslighting Cecilia and making it seem like basically Sydney right away, like didn't have enough time to react. So she just assumes it Cecilia. And then suddenly the thing to deal with is, you know, James removing Sydney from the home and just being Cecilia, get your shit together or get out. I don't know what to do with you now. And it's terrifying because this is when she says,

this is exactly what he does. He does it to isolate me. And then they literally just leave her home alone. And you know at this point, it's like she's home alone with his mother fucker. So she basically goes full, I know what you did last summer and starts being like, what are you waiting? Oh my god, you're out here, man, and fuck this.

Yeah, I'm standing in front of the truck full of crabs. Yep. Absolutely. She's just pulling more and more crabs out, throwing them on the floor to create a trail for him to break. I wish that she had done that because ultimately, she ends up wasting the house's company. Yeah, that she had done that because ultimately she ends up like wasting the house's company.

Yeah, that was real not a thought. Not the best thing. I was like, there are many men at you. Maybe don't waste all your stuff in the whole house floor. And then paint later. Exactly, it's like if anything out brew yourself a cup right now

because you're gonna be up all night. And also like there are just better things to waste. Exactly. Yeah, flower. Yeah, plenty of things. Yeah, flower would have been a great option. Yeah, nothing else. Just craft. Just craft. Just craft. That's how we. Exactly. Yeah. Flower. Yeah. Let me have things. Yeah, flower would have been a great off-setting else.

Just crafts. Just craft. All over the floor, just like. That's how we're rewriting it in the musical. It will be crabs. That'll be perfect. And then we'll have stage hands off stage, just throwing more and more crabs on stage as you go.

Yes. It's beautiful. We're gonna need at least five crab wranglers. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I can't remember. So we're gonna get sued by people. Like four drag queens in a stage full of crabs. Oh, yes.

What else does anyone need? Love it. Really? Like move over to humanity. Vegas here we come. Oh my God. So basically, it's not Sydney. Cecilia is alone at the house.

The floor is covered in the good coffee. And she is just standing there being like coming up me. And she decides to pull out her cell phone and call that mother fucker's phone. And of course, you start to hear the vibration up in the add-on. I would piss myself in that moment. I'd run out of the house.

I would not be going anywhere near that fucking attic. Like that bitch alert, Cecilia. Exactly. So like, honey, the calls are coming from inside the house. And now you got a tiptoe over that Nescafe that you just fortified the house with. And yeah, like, you basically, she ends up going up to the attic to figure out what's going on. So good thing that you just bought that ladder. That's foreshadowing, am I right?

But not really, because she's going to waste that motherfucker real soon. That's true. So Cecilia's up in the attic, and then this is when it's almost like in a horror movie when a house is haunted and they look in the walls and they're like, oh, this is the photo of the little girl in the white dress. This is her hair locket and this was her journal.

We found everything. Exactly. It's just all conveniently placed in one corner of the attic. At this moment, you're kind of like, is he sleeping in the attic or did he just like create like a little installation for her to like experience? Yeah, I think it was an installation. Very deep, very artsy.

I think so. I vote that. And like basically she comes up to it and it's like a phone, a knife, that's in a bag. It's the one that went missing from the kitchen. So this is a perfect moment for her to grab it and examine it and get her fingerprints all over the place. Absolutely.

And she also has all of her architecture stuff that was like missing from her portfolio. So it's like further confirmation that like yes everything is actually happening to you. And now you're up in the attic and this is the moment where again we go back to the conjoin and I'm just like get out of the attic. You are trapped up there with this person. You immediately get out of the attic. You are trapped up there with this person. You immediately get out of the attic. Yeah, and so she goes to make her way out, but then she kind of discovers that she's not alone.

So she's getting a weird feeling, and then you see her kind of looking over the edge to get out of the attic. And you don't see anyone you think she's in the clear, and then she grabs a bucket of white paint and dumps it down the attic hole onto the hardwood floors, onto the new ladder that she just bought her friend,

which she's not gonna be able to afford later. So you really just wanted that to happen. But I guess it's not a story about a ladder. I'm just like really frustrated on that shit. But then she also happens to get paint, you know, all over the invisible person that's stalking her. So that's kind of...

That was an amazing moment when you finally get to see the form really quick and he's so mad. Yeah, it's so satisfying. Oh, and the thing is, you know that she knows that she's up there because she's looking at the phone and the text comes in that says, right? Huge, boldly. Which is a little bit of a game that he's playing with her throughout this movie. Where like this is kind of, I think this may be the first instance of it,

but he ends up like dropping surprise like to kind of indicate his presence every time. So this is like a big moment of that. That's kind of where it starts, I think. So, you know, we have our little Jackson Pollock moment, Panko's everywhere. And the invisible man just notes out there. Like Cecilia recedes back into the attic. He's obviously runaway. She sees a trail running

down the hallway. So she feels it's safe to kind of come down. Elizabeth Moss holds herself down from the attic like a badass because the ladder's been knocked over. I would have broken my ankle. But what about you? I'm not saying here. I believe it was I like to imagine it was a little. It was. It was. We all know it. The power in that face. Exactly. American Gladiator Elizabeth Moss, one-handed, lowers herself from the attic. Right.

Does a triple-sow-cow-mans. That's the perfect face. Yeah, absolutely. Sticks the landing. Yeah, cracks a fan. Yeah. And then just like, death truck. It's perfect.

That's happening in our version. It sure is. And then somebody just like, comes in with like a fan that they're like weaving over under like, yeah, yeah, it's tans across the bar, darling. She's revived. I love it. Yes. Exactly.

Suddenly it's Paris's brand. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's what it's called. The invisible man is. Yes. There it is. I love it.

There it is. In light sun. Yeah. it's four baby drag queens, a stage full of crabs and a dream. Wow, maybe we can like live podcast. I think we should. I love that. Let's do it. All right, so Elizabeth Moss,

just like back flips out of the attic, she gets down into the hallway and starts casing the joint for the invisible man. And we come to the kitchen where we hear a sink on and we see it filled with white paint. Because that motherfucker had to wash his hands. Which are like, how does that even work? How does that not ruin your fucking suit?

Yeah. It's like he was a thot of that though. I was kind of wondering that too. And then that'd be, be think that maybe the person that was on the ladder, which we don't know this at this point in time was Tom. So he got full of paint, washed off as't know this at this point in time was Tom. So he got full of paint,

switched, washed off as much as he could, and got out of the house. Yeah, shit. Or took off the suit, dunk it in water, put it in a bag, and like left. Mm-hmm, that's insane. And then Adrian was just there to like, pop around.

I cannot sponge bath without getting the bathroom. So, we're a bird bath, sorry. That sounds less like a prison, but you know what I mean. So basically, he gives himself a bird bath and Elizabeth Moss is just like sitting in there with a running faucet, white paint everywhere. Hold in there. Coffee on the floor and she's just like come get me and then he does just that. And suddenly Elizabeth Moss is off the ground getting like chokes slammed

into the wall, creating dents, and being thrown across the table, well, we actually know before she does, they're like fighting on the floor and she's like breaking dishes over his head. That's really smart. Good of her to utilize her surroundings. Yeah, absolutely. And as soon as this starts, like as soon as she, that like, because she's holding the knife at her hand and he like slowly like moves her hand so the knife falls out of her hand

and then he like brings her up by her neck. The music that happens in this scene, it's like this like womp, like this like chaotic, like just like horns and shit, like all at once. And it is so stressful. Like that is my, I love a good like well placed, like, whoomp in the heart. I think that it's just like this chaos music that makes you all of a sudden be like, oh shit, what the hell is happening?

It's very, like, traumatic. It's so good. I love good music in a horror movie. I think it is so important to the whole vibe. It sets up in breaks tension. Yeah. And you know who does it really well? Who? Tell us. Lee Wan out. Oh, yeah. Lee Wan out. Not only started the band white snake,

invented the major scale thousands of years ago. Now he's got to face us with cinematic genius. In front of his gorgeous genius. and a maddoch genius, with his scoring genius. Liewa delta's stories with the music man. I love it. He totally does. It's only existing to Liewa in our world. But now basically we're just, like, it's smash-mouse. We're like hidden people.

It's a melee. I got the world to go with that. She gets thrown across a table. Like, what do you say about that? Yeah, it's a melee. I got no rules to go with that. She gets thrown across a table. Like, what do you say about that? Yeah, it's intense. And it gives you a little glimpse too of how bad he was. Like, that's when we're like, oh shit, okay.

Like, this is what he does. That is true because I never thought about like, up until that point, he's just fucking with her. And he honestly could have just walked away at this point, but something has just gotten him like viciously fighting. Like he's, I mean, just showing us that like he's willing to slap a kid. Yeah.

And I think it was the paint, the paint, I think like set him off. It was like she threw paint on his beautiful creation, exposed him when he was never supposed to be exposed in this thing. He went into a rage and it's like he's so comfortable with how violent he is with her in that moment that he's done that before. When I think it speaks to the point of that it was Tom all those other times and especially right before when the paint was thrown on him and then it's like Adrian is back and you

can see what it's Adrian. Yeah. Absolutely, because there are these times in the movies, like, as we start to get through it, you start to learn that, like, there definitely is more than one invisible man. Like, I guess we haven't explicitly said that yet, but if people are listening, they probably know.

But, like, yeah, this definitely drives it home, because there's like that inconsistent action, but yeah, like you're saying, in those times of aggression, you can definitely feel Adrian's presence. Absolutely, and then basically they're like wrecking the place, they're fighting, and Elizabeth Moss is able to get out of there. She gets out to the road and calls a lift, which thankfully for her is right around the corner.

That poor lift driver, I know. God, she better give it a five stars in retrospect. I sure hope so. I think it gives her a real bit of tip. Yup, yup, 100%. Oh my god. She better give it five stars in retrospect. I sure hope so. And I have a deep tip. Yup, yup, 100%. But the thing is too, it's like if I were a lift driver and picking a really scared person up at four in the morning

who's like, just drive, get me far away from here, I wouldn't take a 15 point turn. No, I sure wouldn't. Oh my god, and like slowest fucking molasses. You're like, honey, gun it. Yeah, it's like you're waiting for a window to get punched in or for the card to hit somebody or just something like that. But as it seems Cecilia has been able to get off Scott for, oh, not Scott for you, but get the hello to there. And it looks like they're not following necessarily, or they're

getting out. Mm-hmm. respectively. Right. Yeah. And then she takes an all night Uber drive because she gets $100,000 a month, baby, and she can afford it. That's right, she can. And I should clarify, it's Lyft not Uber, so I guess I can't be colloquial with that. Right. Not the same thing. I don't want to get anyone sued here.

But basically, she, like, in what could be a really great commercial for Lyft, gets taken to his home, like, on the shores of wherever the fuck they are. And basically, again, without the questioning of the lift driver, she basically rolls up to this compound of a home. Like, she leaves like a really residential,

kind of normal neighborhood, goes to, like, the dream world, goes out in front of a mansion and she's like disheveled at four in the morning and just being like, hey, you just wait here in front of this gate, I'm going to go into this house and you know come back and then you're going to drive me back to where I was. Like if I was this person, I'd be like, this woman is about to steal something. Yeah, that's a good point actually. Or I just feel like I'm not waiting. See, I was not expecting him to be chill in there. No, me either.

Because I'd be like, no, I'll take the one star. If I were the lift driver, I'd be like, I think I'm a part of a murder now. Yeah, I'm really going to accomplish what's chasing you, because I don't want it to catch me. Yeah. Exactly, but I mean, hey, leave women, he believes her, and he's just kind of like, alright, there's no doubt. He follows her lead and Elizabeth Moss is able to like get back into Adrian's home and then suddenly we're at like Skydance or HQ just out there on the water and there are dust covers everywhere.

Yeah, it's really spooky. Yeah, and it's like how do you just have dust covers for everything in your home? Like is that rich people shit? Like, mm-hmm. Oh yeah, that's definitely cool. That's a big shit. Mm-hmm. It's like you spend definitely people shit. That's definitely cool. Mm-hmm.

It's like you spend $500 in dust covers to save your like $2 million in furniture. Right, exactly. Yeah, it's just like pocket change. But like, I don't know, I just tried to imagine the whole time, like, what rapper lived in this house in the late, or like early 2000s, late 90s? Cause like, I'm sure this house has been on cribs.

Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. And then we get reintroduced to, you know, the diva of the whole movie, Zeus. Oh, Zeus. Maybe I'm like, here's your second chance to take him. Absolutely. Yeah, stop furthermore.

I'm sitting there going like, oh my god, he's left alone at the house. But at the same time, you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. He's not left alone at the house. This means somebody's there. So you're kind of like pulling two separate directions in this moment. Yes.

Yup. It's true. And that's the moment where you're like, oh, wait a second. Like someone still lives there. Yeah. But they've gone as far to put best covers everywhere. So this is just like, ooh.

We're dealing with the psychopath. Yeah, totally. Like it's the long con. And from there Cecilia starts poking around. And she knows that she probably doesn't have a lot of time because you're half expecting the invisible, Mario brothers to show up at any point. But she's able to make it back to the lab.

And this time she ends up going up to this machine that she at first kind of looks at questionably in the first shots of the movie. But this time she's like, I need to get access to this thing and figure out how he's doing all this shit. Because obviously this has to do with what's going on. Yeah. So it's their anniversary date, which shows you that there's still some kind of obsession

at play. And that's the thing that's messed up when you think about it. It's like, this is him pursuing wanting to be with somebody. Like it's insane. Yeah. Like this is, that's the end game. Like his end game is getting her back. Yeah.

And again, it's like that car window moment where it's like this agro dude just popping off. And it's like, do you think that by popping off this person is suddenly going to be like, you've abused me and got us, I did me and ruined my world up into this point. I totally get it. Yeah, like you know what? You know, like, it's all clear now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's play spin the bottle like all the time. Yeah. Just the two of us. Let's go back to friends. Exactly. So basically she's just like pop it around the house. She gets into the lab. She sees this machine. She pops in her anniversary date and is able to gain access to it. And then she enters this room, this machine thing that has a weird iPad kind of thing on

the wall that has a rotating view. It's got a central thing, it looks like a spray tan booth in a gemiro pool video. That's really good. 100% yes. It's virtual insanity. It brought me back to junior prom. 100%. A gemiro quile up in there. Yeah insanity brought me back to junior prom 100 year.

I'll often there. Yeah, I actually spray tan junior prom to me or quad. This is like a perfect. It's all together. This is the world she's job. Yeah, but that she is like while she's in this room, you start to hear those like clicks and sounds that she had heard when she was in her bedroom earlier. So suddenly you're like, Oh, okay, this has to do with the invisibility. Yeah, which makes her go a little bit deeper And then she makes her own invisibility suit. Go girl.

And you're like, get it sis. Because fashion is for everyone and invisibility suits go beyond gender. Mm-hmm. I love it. So basically, it must be in four ways stretch as well because it just like automatically fits everyone's body. Which again, love a garment like that. I was gonna say we love that. One size fits all.

The visible man, if nothing else, is a lesson in the future of Democratic fashion. Yes. Democratic fashion, yeah. Yeah. Got a little bit further on. Yeah. So basically, this is also when we come to kind of find out

that he is covered in cameras. You got a really good close view of the suit. You're kind of like, this is the name of the game, okay. And then the thing is, everything's all good. You're having this moment of realization and then suddenly Zeus appears in the background. And it sounds like he's reacting to somebody else coming in the home, which automatically tells Cecilia

she's not alone, which leads her to go full, hidey-end closet and take cover. With her suit in her hands. she's not alone, which leads her to go full Heidi N closet and take cover with her suit in her hands. It looks like she tucks it away in some walking closet situation and just kind of sits in waiting to see what's going on. Right, because she puts the suit in this hiding space that she had in the closet,

where she put her getaway bag in. Oh, you're right. Same little Heidi hole. Yeah, absolutely. And then she's in the closet where she put her getaway bag. Oh, you're right. Same little hidey hole. Yeah, absolutely. And then she's in the hot or the, I was gonna say the hidey in the closet again. Sure, that's the official name. She's in there and she sees a footprint on the carpet.

We know that Adrien's in there. But then thankfully, before Adrien gets a chance to fuck with her, Zeus comes in and saves the day. Yes, Zeus is the hero. Proving his worth and why she should have taken him. The unsung hero. It really is. Yeah, exactly.

So Zeus puts enough space in between them for Cecilia to get the fuck out of that house. She gets back into her lift, which I mean, I'm kind of like, wouldn't Adrian just kill the lift driver, but you know, I'm kind of glad he did. She ends up getting back out on the road, heading back toward James' house. And on her way in the cart, this is when she calls Emily, and she's just like, hey, we gotta talk, I'm putting things together,

we have to meet up. And thankfully, regardless of the emails, Emily is willing to meet with her. Yeah, that's some sister shit. And that is when we cut to the strangest rendezvous place. Wait, I want to go there so badly. I need to know what this restaurant is. We were watching it, and Elena was like, the strangest rendezvous place. Wait, I wanna go there so badly. I need to know what this restaurant is.

We were watching it and Elena was like, we would absolutely dinner there. And I was like, yup. Yeah, 100%. It was an interesting spot. It was kind of like, you should tell. And like the clientele was like super young. Like the waiter was the worst.

Everyone was very hip. It was very fast and furious. And it was, yeah. So basically they're at the table and like Emily and Cecilia are there. They're like, we're happy to meet. But then the waiter comes up and Emily is a huge dick, objectively, to the waiter. This is kind of what sours me with her. Where I'm just like, no, no, no, how you deal with customer service people indicates how

you are as a person. It's so true. I get so angry when people are rude to like waiters or sales people or anything like it's one of my biggest pet peeves. And immediately I'm like, oh fuck off. I don't know. Because Taylor doesn't know the situation that you're in. Yeah.

Exactly. And it's not like he's like walking up giving anything but nice. Yeah. So like if he had walked up and even given you like a modicum of sass, it can make you go like, okay, well maybe that's where it's coming from. But really, it's just Emily giving this young person a real shit time. And basically, she's just like, I need space. And the waiter fucks off, they're starting to have a conversation. And Cecilia is just like, hey, I know this sounds wild, but this is kind of what's going on. And then

out of nowhere, a knife just floats up in the air. And this is the knife that, you know, we saw earlier, come out of the kitchen, go up to the attic, and now it's at this restaurant. Cecilia's hand grips around it, and it slits her sisters throat there at the table. And within seconds, everybody in the restaurant notices, and like the first person to notice looks like pink, so pink is extremely upset about that.

She's just hungry and heard round the world. Exactly. And then Zoe De Chanel with Stay Spons and her boyfriend Russell Brandt, who are very close to the table, are running around looking extremely shocked. And everyone's just looking at Cecilia, who's standing there just looking like a solid earth tone dancer.

With an eye-catching. Just seeing a little off the shoulder number or being like, I don't know what's happening. That scene is one of like maybe two scenes and two movies in my entire life that I like audibly gasped when it happened because it just happened so fast. And I was like, oh, I was so excited to watch that with you.

And like Ash was with me, I literally gasped. She did. I was like, holy shit. You have no time to tell me. No, it happens when it slits her throat, you're just like, what? How did that happen? Yeah, because up until that point,

it wasn't that kind of movie either. So I don't think you're expecting things to go that way. Yeah, it really has such a great thing to like the turning point. Absolutely. Yeah, it's the Lee one L way. It's Lee one L way. Lee one L.

It's the power. And then maybe this is because I just watched Tiger King recently, but part of me was expecting like a manager to come out and be like, just so everybody knows, we just had a situation where a customer had their throat slit, you know, like wearing like a paramedic jacket. But you guys can come back in half off apps. Yeah, we'll give you half off your meal to free side salads.

I don't know what we can do here. Like, crazy bread. This fusion restaurant would have crazy bread, I'm sure. Oh, 100%. It definitely would have a good dipping sauce. We would have like a fluorescent light tube, like jammed into it. It would be like, yeah, anyway, light up for it aside. So, shit really goes down at this restaurant. And Cecilia is dragged away to an institution where she is sedated, strapped down to a table,

and is just essentially left there in a tiny room to black out and face whatever legal ramifications. She is about to face for allegedly killing her sister. And this is when we hear before she fully goes out of the word surprise. Yes. Just telling us that he's there with us. So creepy.

I did not hear that. Oh, you didn't? No. Oh, yeah. Just as she's fading out after getting her injection, it's just like surprised. She's alone in the room and she's just here. I need to rewatch that scene.

So good. And there's a moment where you can even go, like, is she just imagining this? But again, in the theme of believing women, it's just like you're accepting it out of us. So essentially, now Cecilia is arrested, strapped down to a bed, and stuck with me. So terrible.

So spooky. And the great thing about this movie that was you feel those feelings, you're just like, as a watcher, you feel like there's just this total sense of helplessness. Like, what is she going to do now? And then like, you're sitting there watching it happen. You're like, what am I?

Yeah, I believe her. What's gonna happen? I gotta help see. Yeah, Tyler and I are sitting there and we're like as men how can we make this about us? Yeah, so basically this is the situation Cecilia's in it is bad news bears all around and then we are in to interrogation the next day with her best friend James or good friend James and officer George Harrison as I like to call him. Two takes. And they're essentially sitting there

and James is feeling really bad about the whole situation. Cecilia is straight up like he is watching me which is just making her sound even more kind of off-kilter, you know, which is adding to their narratives. They at this point, she's also like a day into grieving the sudden murder of her sister on top of it all. That she watched right in front of her.

Exactly, and now they're in the room, and she's basically saying like, I think he's even in here, and the camera starts to turn to the corner, and you're getting the sense that he is kind of in there, just like laughing away in the corner. Oh yeah, so unsettling. This is where I would have like red rover

this situation, be like, okay, we're in a small room, he's here. Let's just like join hands and just make a big walk. And we're gonna get him. Yes. I'd be like, just humor me this. Red rover that shit. Red rover this situation.

It's Lisa and Bart Simpson. It's like, I'm gonna start swinging my arms and I'm gonna start kicking. Yes. And if you come in, yeah. Eventually we're gonna hit this. It's like, I'm gonna start swinging my arms and I'm gonna start kicking. And if you come in, yeah. Eventually we're gonna hit this spot there. There it is. Right. Yeah, if you come in my range, it's your fault,

I didn't need to hit you. I'm just doing my arm exercises. So basically, they're in this room, nothing's good. It's just getting worse. And then Cecilia goes back to her room and this is where she finds out from a nurse that she's pregnant. And that it's happened within the last month. And she, much like the TLC show, did not know she was pregnant. No. And this point is just like blow after blow after blow for her. Yeah. Because now she's

like super obviously stuck to him. Yeah. And it's super, super violated. Well, because this is the thing, because at this this is the thing, because at this point in the story, we find out in the next scene that he was aware she was on birth control and that he was fucking with it. But at this point in the movie, what must be going through Elizabeth Moss's head or Cecilia's head is like, he attacked me in my sleep.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or like, what I was thinking. And he's been drugging her. Yeah, and now a child is coming out of the soul situation. It's, yeah, it's a really heartbreaking scene. And Elizabeth Moss does it really, really well. Mm-hmm. Sorry, I had a joke in here.

And I'm like, I shouldn't put that in there. I literally had, she's sitting there zoning out, planning out the logistics of a gender reveal from prison. Oh my God, wait, that's really fucking funny though. That is really funny. She just, that's so Raven's out of the situation. and she's like, how am I going to get the pink egg and the blue egg to crack and how are they going to know? This is going to be real tough.

So basically, like nothing's going well for Cecilia right now. She's pregnant, she's stuck in prison and this guy is stalking her. She basically just dives in further to the deep end though, because she goes into a meeting with Tom, the do-eyed brother of her former boo. Basically tells her, as the representative of my brother's money, I'm here to tell you that not only did you commit a crime,

but you're not of sound mind, because you think somebody invisible is stalking you. So sorry about it, you can't get your money anymore. And I really don't like doing this because I know that you're paying for somebody to go to Parsons Design School and you know giving a young woman of color her dream. But you can't have it. Yeah. Like that's just kind of the attitude that he has about it. He's just like, well,

I know all your dreams are dashed, but you like my pen? Yeah. He's like super, well, I know all your dreams are dashed, but you like my pen? Go. He's like super wimp, sorry. I mean, as he illustrated, he found a way to make it about himself. Yup, right, definitely did. Absolutely. But then he gives her the ultimate, ultimate um.

Yes. Well, this is the tea because basically Elizabeth Moss, I don't want to leave this moment without just recognizing that she has a total badass moment in here, but she is like, I used to pity you for being the blood relative of a sociopath. You are a punching bag tied to your brother's wallet. She refers to him as the jellyfish version of his brother. It's just like, yes, beautiful moment. Give her an Oscar, please. That was a mic drop moment. That's like an Elena Sheff's kiss. Yeah.

Absolutely. It's like, can somebody do like a Sheff's kiss and a drop kick at the same time? Because that's kind of what she just did. Yes. That's exactly what it is. It absolutely is. And so this happens, and then basically the brother is just like, sorry about it.

You can sign over your money quietly and easily, or you can take me to court, but this is just kind of where it's gonna be. And like the Siberian husky, he is none of her words have had an effect on him. And then basically, he's just like, but there is another option. And this is where he's just fully like,

here's the tea, we know what's up, my brother is still alive, he's invisible. He knew your on-birth control. He's been swapping it out with placebo's. Ha, ha, ha, ha. So if you want to get out of this, which we can make happen, you keep the baby. You raise it as yours and his,

and you go back to him, and we just forget that all this shit happened. As if she's going to be like, totally okay, let's get it. Yeah. Like why? She's like, well, a baby makes three. Right, yeah, it fixes everything.

She's like, well, we have Zeus, the dog, I guess we can have Alfredidee, the baby. It's like, fuck no. Nobody's gonna be greeted this. I can't. No, of course not. Yeah, she full Teresa, Judy, Chase, the table. She just like flips everything.

It's like prostitution horses, gets those papers out of there, grabs a pen from his suitcase or a briefcase when he's not looking and like a piece of sticky tack off the wall. And basically in just like a full setting fire to the rain, Adele moment is just like, I don't want your agreement.

And he's kind of like, well, you can sleep on it. He's like, no bitch. She's like, I am sleeping. Exactly. Further adding to the theme that these men are just like, oh no, no, you will do what I want. And there's a woman standing right in front of you being like, no, no, no, this is how it is.

And it's basically them being like, well, you can sleep on it because right now you're being irrational. Like, woman, you're being emotional. So let's have you sleep on it. Right. And I'm actually surprised nobody says the word, but at some point you expect somebody to be like, oh, you're being emotional. So let's have you sleep on it. Right, and I'm actually surprised nobody says the word, but at some point you expect somebody to be like,

oh, you're just hysterical. Yeah, you wait for that. Which everybody's acting that way anyway, so. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Right, it's implied. Yeah, without saying it, truly. For sure. But basically, she like just like knocks

all that shit over, she grabs a pen, the whole meetings over, and she is back in jail, looking more and more like I lean more nose as every moment goes by. all that shit over. She grabs a pan, the whole meeting's over, and she is back in jail, looking more and more like Eileen Mournos, as every moment goes by. It's weird, and it just makes her self-reuding. No, she's actually looking less like Eileen Mournos and more like Charlize Theron as Eileen Mournos, which is, no. Oh, there you go, which is the bright side.

Lame Mournos. Yeah. She's the mother of the house of Mournos. Yeah, my god, yes, precisely. Yeah, so she's out there serving Warnos realness, and then basically she is just like, okay, time to top the situation from the bottom, and then goes into her little shower stall in her prison cell,

gives this like, not without my child, but kind of the reverse moment. And it's like, you will not have this take-step pen that she had stashed, and she'd used the sticky tack to put it above the door, like a fucking mageiver. And just like mageiver takes the pen and staps yourself in the wrist. Yep.

Oh, that scene was so hard to watch. I had lost my shit. Absolutely. Which then coaxes Adrian to come out of the shadow and try to stop her. Because he's like, that's my baby. Because suddenly the name of the game now is that even though he's been so rough and tumble with Cecilia to this point, he now can't hurt her too much.

The further she goes into the pregnancy. Because for him, his game that he's playing is that he wants this fucking baby. Mm-hmm. So crazy. It's like, and it seems like for a moment, the control shift, which made him even angrier, that she has the control now. Right. Because she's like, come and get it, fucker. And he comes out and has to be not like he was in the kitchen where he's throwing her around and doing everything he has to be

like a little more gentle. A little more gentle. Yeah. Absolutely. And then in this tussle that they have in the jail cell, she basically takes the pen stabs him and then the suits malfunctioning and now we're really getting a sense that he is there. And there kind of is now undeniable proof

for anybody else that comes across the situation. So suddenly, for the first time in this movie, we now have verifiable evidence that there is somebody fucking with her. But the shit thing about this is that as soon as we are put in a situation where people can believe her, those people then start getting killed.

Yes, which he has like a superhuman moment. And he's just fucking brutalizing everyone that comes near him. People are taking Elle's left and right. Yeah, terminator. Yeah, because the guard comes in, he like turns his taser onto him. They end up getting into a fight.

He knows he's fighting an invisible man. Like he knows it's not her. And I'm sure this is all getting caught on camera, because I'm sure this person, an institution would have to be somewhere. We would hope. So the whole time I'm like, well, Elise Cecilia has that in her favor.

Like, there's now evidence. Yeah, it's like a weird moment of relief to be like, okay, now people are going to start believing in her. Yes, it's true. You know, like here it is, he's glitching right for everybody to see. Exactly. But then you like hear them, like being like, get down, get down, or like, here it is, he's glitching right for everybody to see. Exactly. But then you like hear them, like being like,

get down, get down, or like make sure she doesn't go there. And it's like, do you not see the glitching man in the fucking corner? Absolutely, because at first, everybody comes into the jail cell and is expecting, you know, her to be the attacker, she gets out into the hallway, starting to finally be able to run away

from this whole situation. And suddenly, you know, they're trying to apprehend her, and then all of the people apprehending her and roughing her up are now getting attacked by Adrian, or the invisible man, which adds, again, further interest because in this moment, you're kind of like, sure, he's attacking them, but why? Because, like, for him, it would be perfect for her to stay under his thumb and stay in prison. But in this moment, it's almost like he's defending her in a sick way, or defending the baby that he wants from her.

Like, it's so manipulative what's happening in this moment. It is. 100% because it's totally trying to like, protect that baby. And it's using her as a vessel to protect that baby. So it's a further treating her like that. Because you'll notice, like, he got physical with her up into the point that she got the announce.

And then all of a sudden, she became a vessel. So it was like, I have to try to tell she's no longer useful for this baby. I need to treat her with a little bit more of a kid gloves. Exactly. So now we have this power dynamic introduced, and they're in this fight in the hospital. There are workers coming around.

They're getting taken down like flies. We're getting some really cool moments of just like action and all that kind of shit here. There's a really great behind the scenes video of how they did all this kind of stuff with the green style suit and like computerized cameras that followed the same path. So they would reshoot everything with like just the background. Yeah, basically they're in the hallway all taking each other down. The camera is just going wild everywhere and Cecilia is able to make it out

into the park in the lot. Now, Hydroma, there's Rain. She's now essentially gone from the hunted to the hunter because after everyone's been wasted in the hospital, Adrian has gone at the front door. She sees him going out there. She takes a gun and she's like, you know, brandishing it out the people

at the front of the hospital. So she gets out into the parking lot herself. But now she's essentially chasing him through a rainstorm in a parking lot trying to get him. Yeah. And this scene is genius because she can't, she already can't rely on her sight, but now with all the rain beating on the cars,

she also can't rely on her ability to hear. Oh, that's true So she's just like denied all of her senses and it's just this really Seen but she has given sight in that sense because now that there's range she can see his form. That's true Oh, yeah, oh yeah, the glitching which is exactly why you come to find out that he's hiding out under like the open roof of like a hatchback or an SUV or something. Oh yeah. And she has been like searching the parking lot. And basically as Elizabeth Banks or Cecilia is searching for him in the parking lot, she

is getting chased by the people from the hospital. And basically she ends up finally finding him. And like the whole time the invisible man is like shooting the hospital people that are coming to her with guns, trying to arrest her. And this is when they meet underneath via back hood of the car and where he's just like, look, I'm not gonna fuck with you. But if you think you are smarter than I am

and if you think you are getting an upper hand, you are not. Because I will take down everyone around you that you love before I come for you. And then basically just disappears into the night. Which you immediately know what that means. You're like, oh, he's going to the house. Well, and he says like it's your fault. It's your fault if something happens to Sydney.

Like you have your, I think he says you have yourself to think. Exactly. Oh yeah, it's like you have yourself to think if that little girl blah blah blah. So right away you're like, he's coming for Sydney next. So now it's a race to get back to the house. And Cecilia goes full Grand Theft Auto. Like a guy crashes into a car because of the invisible man exiting.

I keep saying the invisible man because I don't want to say Adrienne or Tongue because we don't really know. Yeah, because it's hard to figure out. No, it's a good point. But basically, like, dude gets in a car crash. He kind of comes out of his car like shell shocked. She just runs in, takes the car leaves,

hangs up the phone with his wife, and then calls James, who is utterly confused. And in a moment of like kind of rollover versal, there's this person with like real world concerns who's like, I'm a cop, you're an inmate. Why are you calling me now? Like what's going on? And she's like, quite a pretty little man. And right before that is when we get the Jigsaw cameo on the fence in front of where the guy crashes his car into. Yeah, it's really quick. Yeah. Love that. Lee one now. Yeah, the Lee one now with with it all. And actually, speaking of it,

I do feel like this was a missed opportunity for Lihuan L, because this is where I would have put invisible by Clayaken. Oh, yes. Yes. So true. Just kind of relieve the tension. Yeah, that definitely would relieve the tension. You could have put it on the radio.

Yeah. After she hung up with the wife, there it is. Exactly. Whoever was on the phone. It could have blasted on the radio and she turned off the YouTube. She was like, oh, it was so cool. And she's like, what, you fucking are?

Damn it. That would have been perfect. Yeah. And she would have been like, oh shit. Like from like an urban legend. Yup. When, what's his name, Joshua Jackson gets in the car. Yeah.

And the Dawson's Creek theme song starts playing and he's like, oh, fuck that. Oh, it could have done the same thing. I was totally thinking of the other part in the beginning when it's like turn around. Yes, you too. Totally clips of the heart, my lips are so long. Yes, yes.

It makes a second appear in Saul connection. Who knew that there was so many references to Bonnie Tyler and that movie? They're always there for willing to look hard. In every movie out there, there are actually at least four references to Bonnie Tyler songs. She's really looked deep enough.

It's like six degrees of separation with Bonnie Tyler. Yes. And then basically, we get back to the house and it turns out even though Cecilia is like hot on her way, Sydney's in bed and there's somebody in there with her. And suddenly the mace or that Sydney had in her room, comes in real fucking handy. Yeah, it does.

Because she pumps that fucker into the room and this invisible idiot falls into her dresser. I loved that. Side note, her nails are on fucking fleek. Those turquoise. Yes. Yes. I was like, okay.

Look, I stand a saucy teenager with a acrylics and a dream of going to fashion school, especially if she's got me set her bedside table. It's like, wow, we vibe. That was me, my crackle nails. And she used it. She really used it. And nothing but respect for Sydney.

Yeah, I love Sydney. And here's the thing. Basically, this just turns into another knockdown drag out fight. He slammed into the dresser. We got like a momentous lap stick comedy and then Cecilia arrives. No, is she there yet? No, no, no, James arrives. James, yeah.

And like, basically, as Sydney is running out of the room after he's like into the dresser, she then gets closed lined in the hallway, which tells you that there is a second person in the house, like, verify. Because whoever this is, that attacker in the room, is still in there fumbling over her nightstand. So essentially, she's fighting this person in the hall. At this point, James,

who has been alerted by Cecilia, shows up, and it's time for him to try to fight these invisible fuckers. And like, I start to get scared. I'm like, no, I can't. I like him. He's the good one. And you think that. I was so upset. You really think he didn't make it out of that for a second? Yeah. I was so upset. Absolutely. And basically, like, he gets his ass kicked, left out on the ground, and then Cecilia comes in with a fire extinguisher

and a gun takes down this invisible attacker and shoots them a whole bunch of times. And then this is finally the moment where we have somebody in an invisibility suit takes down this invisible attacker and shoots them a whole bunch of times. And then this is finally the moment where we have somebody in an invisibility suit dead on the ground, and we can finally know, as Alyssa Edwards would say, what the fuck is going up here on this good day?

Yes. It's the movie Scooby-Doo moment. We get to unmask the villain. Exactly. Except in Scooby-Doo, the killer or to unmask the villain exactly except in Scooby-Doo the killer or like the person is not Usually bleeding out on the ground. Not usually. Although in my Scooby-Doo They are not totally good. I mean they're remaking gritty versions of everything We just need a gritty version of Scooby-Doo. We really do. Exactly. The world needs that and this really is like a

Stupid idiot of a character that you're revealing. You're like oh Just like in Scooby-Doo. It was the guy that ran the general store. Of course. Nope. No, they always do like, like, what's new Scooby-Doo or like Scooby-Doo, where are you? So like, what would that be?

Hey girl, Scooby-Doo. There it is. There it is. There it is. Wait for it. Go girl, Scooby-Doo. I love that. Mm-hmm.

Go girl. So basically, shit's Scooby Doo. I love that. Mm-hmm. Go girl. So basically, shit's really going down. The brother dies. We get this confirmation here. James turns out to be alive. And suddenly, we're getting into what we think is the wrap up. Because right after this, it goes to Adrian's home. And there's a SWAT team in there.

And they're raiding the apartment. And the whole time, I'm like, Zeus, are you? Where's Zeus? It there and they're raiding the apartment. And the whole time I'm like, Zeus, are you okay? But it looks like they're down in the basement. Zeus is nowhere to be found, but they hear muffled screams behind a wall, break down like some sort of wall in the basement, and there is Adrian tied up to a chair and gag. Like a little bitch.

And you're like, bitch, how did you do this? Right, and quite frankly, he looks terrible. He does. Which is why I think he smells. And he's wearing the same outfit he was wearing the night that she's baked. That's the tea. Fulboy's thorough.

And like he's covered in like not movie dirt, like actual blood. It's like this dude is just like a walking biohazard. He's selling it. So then that made me think like if he's premeditating so far ahead, has he been purposely letting himself become like emaciated into the shem rolls for this moment

when he has to fake his kidnap? That's such a good point. And that's the thing. So basically, like it just comes to be accepted in the movie that everybody accepts Cecilia believes that Adrian hasn't been behind any of this and that it's been his brother who was now dead on the floor at James's house.

You know, Adrian was been locked up behind a wall in the basement the whole time, probably for his money or something nefarious like that. And it seems cut and dry in a lot of people's minds. In fact, Cecilia in the next shot is like at the police station with Sydney and James. They're talking about everything. And Cecilia is basically like, I don't believe it. Yeah, she's like, no, he did it. Yeah.

And James is like, no, but like listen to ABC and D and she's like, no dude, you don't know Adrienne like I do. Exactly. And he's basically trying to say to her like, hey, no, play along. Like this is what's gonna get you out of jail. Now the T is, it's like she has a whole lot of security footage that's probably gonna exonerate her

from all this and confirm her still in her way. But it just seems like nobody's really listening to her still even after you can still verify all the shit that she's been saying. Yeah. So basically he tells her to let it go and Cecilia is just like, well, I have to create my own plan. And then you see her at home later that day, making a phone call. Love it. Well, we don't know if it's later that day. making a phone call. I love it.

Well we don't know if it's later that day. It's kind of fake as to like how far along. Because she probably wasn't just like straight up let ever jail. No? I'm sure it was like tonight. Tonight's the night. Proceedings they had to do before she was just able to walk it.

They were like, you're right, you're right. That's true. Or maybe she never had to go back because there was so much going on with everybody that got killed and injured a lot of the pain. Yeah, that's true. You just don't know? Yeah, so it was like 10 minutes later. Yeah, it was a meat.

She took a shower and got right to it. The walls of the jail fall down around her and she's like, oh my god, I can't even my house the whole time. And then someone comes in and it's shut her out and all just like, you were the invisible man, Cecilia. No God. And then a black screen.

Oh, well. But unfortunately, well, actually fortunately, that doesn't happen. Yeah. Because basically Cecilia, at some point in the near future, calls up Adrian and is just like, let's hash this out. I've got this baby, you've got this house, let's do down there. I've got this baby, you've got this house, let's do dinner.

Now, this last scene is like a finale of mob wise. It is like, she's going in, she's big-ange, going in to have a sit down with Renee Graziana and I've got some shit that she talked in episode two. I have one huge problem with this scene. He's like, I got you all this food, and he got a pregnant woman sushi. Oh, shit.

I said that too. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. He doesn't know anything. It just goes to show how little he thinks it's side of himself.

Right, exactly. Because this is his grand gesture. Yeah. He's like, look, I got you this food you can have. And it's like, you know he either, like, you know he didn't make it himself. No. He either had somebody make it for him,

which makes me go like, oh, do you have staff at this house? Like, I don't know. But then second of all, it's like, then you just ordered it, fucker. And you just wasted a lot of money. Exactly, because I cannot eat this sushi. Cause I am pregnant with you. It ain't nothing but a G thing for him.

He's living that dust cover life. I think money like that is what made Joe exotic go all right. So basically, they're back at Adrian's house. He has this lovely dinner planned for her, which is essentially a flex. And then she decides on steak, which is real good, because that gives her a knife. So they sit down and they start poking around a dinner.

And Adrian is basically just like, honey, I love you. And he says at one point, like, I'll burn everything for you. Which if I were Cecilia, I'd be like, I choose match, thank you. She just goes, okay, like, all way. And let's not forget at this point, she's wired. And James is in a car listening to her.

Oh, yes. Yeah, that's kind of what you come to find out throughout the scene. And it's like she's sitting there and she's like prodding information. And she's like, just admit that you did it. And basically she's just like, we can move forward with this. I just need you to admit to what you've done.

And he straight up refuses to acknowledge it. And he's still taking it to the very last moment. He's saying like, you know, I'm sure you feel crazy. He comes in, puts his hand on her leg, like all this slime bag shit. Yeah. And basically just like drives her into the point of tears because she's just sitting here realizing that after all of a sudden done, after playing the game with him to a certain point, you know, and like playing that, he's quote unquote.

She's back here and he is still just, it's like talking to furniture. He's not gonna change his story. He's done nothing wrong. Yeah, it's still the cycle of abuse because she's present like all the evidences right there and he's still like, no, no, no. Yeah.

You're just feeling crazy, that's all right. You're just crazy, sorry. Yeah. And you know, he's sitting there and he's basically just like, think about our life together. It's gonna be so great great all that kind of stuff. It's gonna rule.

And Cecilia kind of crying just ends up excusing herself. And she ends up excusing herself at the point where he's like, I know you the best and better than anybody else in the world. And he says that shouldn't come as a surprise. So it's like that surprise is like what? Yeah, it puts so much emphasis on the surprise. Yeah. And it's like his way of being like? Yeah, put so much emphasis on the surprise. Yep. And it's like his way of being like, yep, you're right, bitch.

But I'm not going to say it because I know I'm on camera. Exactly. Yep. Yeah. And I mean, that's kind of all the proof that she needs. She goes to the bathroom to collect herself to make sure that her lipstick's right before she does what she's about to do.

Which is amazing. And then we go back to the dining room, an Adrian sitting at the table. And Cecilia hasn't come back yet, but you, all of a sudden, see Adrian grab the knife as he's like staring at her chair very intently and then slit his own throat and fall to the ground.

Then very shortly after that, Cecilia comes out of the bathroom hearing all the commotion, completely upset, not knowing what to do, kind of taking everything in. And because she's lived at the home, she knows exactly where the cams are. Like a good model, she knows her English. That's right, I'll ask a bit.

So you better work. She goes and she sees that he's too far gone and then steps out of the frame of the video and to take a quote from RuPaul, her pussy was on fire. Because she steps out of the frame and all of a sudden, she's on the phone with 911. She's like, oh my god, my husband, I don't know what to do.

Gets off the phone with 911, takes two steps out of frame and then sits down with a huge grin on her face, completely composed, watching this mother fucker die in front of him. That again, chef's kiss. That was like, yeah, it's girl. Yeah, and then basically, the next thing you see

is her outside the house walking away from the whole situation. I like to imagine that before he cheats his playing now, like, you know, she, she truly did dig her keys into the side of his pretty little souped up forbill drive metaphorically speaking. So she's out there walking that walkway like a fucking runway and guess who she finally has with her?

Our boy James. Zeus. Oh wait, no, I got to... I'm like, wait a second, wait a second. She's got James on, Elise. She's walking him like Carol Baskin's husband. Which is what we wanted. Oh, I just love James.

Yeah, it wouldn't be mad at it. And then SNM by Rihanna plays, and the movie goes black. Yeah. And you're like, that's all we need to wrap this up. And thank you, Rihanna. Sorry, go ahead. But basically, she's just like strutting down that walkway

with like, it's this great image of just like Elizabeth Moss, like, glammed out for the first time in the whole movie. Like, blue tinted red lip on, hair slipped back with this like, beautiful, you know, like long coat and this dog next to her walking out of the wind blowing at her and then James very rudely interrupts her runway. He does. Which you never do to a diva. No, but he basically comes out and he's shocked and he's like, what's going on? Oh my god. And she's just like, he killed himself and he was kind of like, well, okay, like he killed himself and he was kind of like, well, okay, what was this all about?

Like James kind of knows exactly what happened. And in the ultimate move of lifting up her like and peeing on the situation, she just kind of looks at him and just full of gas lights him. She's just like, I don't know what you mean, basically. Yeah, she's like, it's not a camera, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Like, she's like, he sounded pretty unravelled, didn't he?

And he's like, yeah, I guess he did sound kind of crazy. She's like, yeah. And it's like, they're spoken agreement like, yeah, he was crazy, huh? And that's what you think. She's like, what did it sound like to you? Mm-hmm. He's like, whatever you say, queen.

And it's all played out just through like an understanding look at each other. And over there, just kind of like, okay, okay, I'm gonna accept this. You're gonna accept this. Let's move on. Mm-hmm. And it ends with just a very nice clear shot of Elizabeth Moss kind of walking out into her world on her own straight facing the camera.

I'm amazing. We want to such a good ending. We want now. We want now, man. Amazing. Lee Wannell. Such a good ending. Lee Wannell. Now. You want now, man? Doing it and doing it and doing it well. Lee Wannell is that bit? She is.

I didn't even know that I needed Lee Wannell as much as I did. You do. I'm so glad I could break that to you. Damn. So good. But that's the invisible man. And like it was fucked up.

And I think something that I forgot to mention before was that I always found it really interesting that supposedly the impetus for Adrian doing all this is that the brother says at one point, he's like, Adrian can have anything he wants, anyone he wants, and he has. But you are the first person to ever look at him and say, I don't want him.

And that fucked him up. His male ego couldn't take it. Which is truly what brings on this entire film. Yeah, because guys like that, that's exactly like they nailed that guy, the guy that like once they hear no from someone, they're like, what now? And it's always the guy that never hears no from someone. So it's like it makes you want it more. Yeah.

Absolutely. We talk about it on our show a lot. We say's like it makes you want it more. Yeah. Absolutely. We talk about it on our show a lot. And we say boring white men who think they're magic. It's like, Alistair Crowley, we kind of say that stuff tongue in cheek where it's like, it's these guys who feel that they have so much power that they just bend the laws of time and space and whatever they say is the fucking law.

And usually they're able to put all these people around them that are like, yeah, you're right. And that's what they do. It creates these guys that don't bring much to the table if you're talking to put all these people around them that are like, yeah, you're right. Yes, that's what they do. It creates these guys that don't bring much to the table if you're talking to them one on one. No way. They need a crowd of people to like pet them the whole time. Yeah, good movie. Such a good movie.

And it's one of those movies like we were saying you can rewatch it so many times because like we said you catch something every time you watch it. So it's like, yeah, not boring to rewatch. No. Absolutely. And it's not the kind. Not boring to rewatch. No. Absolutely. And it's not the kind of movie that like tires you out. No.

You know, like it's a long movie, but it's rewatchable. And I think that's like really a testament to just kind of how much stuff they packed it in. Because it didn't feel long at all. Right. It felt like when it was over, I was like, whoa. But it happened like that. Two hours long and you're like, oh, shit.

Yeah. And I think it's because the movie has these breaks and it intakes these shifts. Just when you think you're figuring everything out, her sister dies and then it's a whole new movie. Exactly, it really is. It's a whole new set of circumstances. Yeah, totally new turning point.

Yeah. Well, I guess that's it. Oh my God, we've fully made it through the invisible man. We did. That was the best. Yeah, what a cinematic journey that we've all embarked into. Really was.

We made it through. We rewrote the movie. We have future plans. This has been a great, a great meeting. Really, we've like realized our drag personas. We've been able to translate them to multiple different media. We have.

I mean, yeah, we're cooking with gas right now, baby. Yeah, this brain trust that we have formed is magical. I feel like Lee Wannell is going to listen to this and be like, I need to throw money at this shit. Like, we need to put this on ice or something. I feel like he is. We're here with open arms, Lee. Yeah, we're here.

Yeah, we're waiting. Hi, Lee. I mean, maybe he's the person we take the musical to first. I think he is. You know, maybe he'll want to move on Roojit and just go straight to the cinema and just skip over the Broadway. I love that.

Whatever works. I'm into negotiations. We're here, Lee. Just give us a call. Yeah, we're here, we're waiting. You can even slide into our DMs. You totally can. Alain is like, please, in fact, if anything,

just slide into our DMs the last time. I love it. I love it. So how many invisible wigs do we give this out of four? Let it four? I think, I mean, what do you think? I give it a four, yeah. Yeah. It's not a lot wrong with it.

I give it a four. Yeah. No, I would say the same. I agree. Definitely a four out of four. If not a five out of four. Oh my god. Turn it up to 11.

I have no qualm. Yeah, because there was just no point in it that I was like, yeah, they should have done that different. They're like, they're going to pass that up. It was like, yeah, everything felt right. The biggest criticism I read about the movie is actually in regards to the ending because people thought that this whole murder revenge thing was a bit, I don't know, just. I can't write, kind of.

Yeah, exactly. I read that thing. But I think it was perfect in the sense. I can try it, kind of. Yeah, exactly. I read that too. But I think it was perfect in the sense that when we've seen these kind of revenge films in the past, we've had to witness all of this, like, terrible abuse, like most movies that end that way, we have to literally see that.

This movie alluded to it. Yeah, it's true. So I think it took that revenge flick trope and just elevate it to something worthwhile. I think it took that revenge flick trope and just elevated to something worthwhile. I think so too. Yeah. And I'm gonna say like the criticism that we were able to find out about like really the really outside of that the central criticism that people have had have just been like guys

that hated the Ghostbusters movie that were like somebody had said like they took a story about a really interesting man who's just lost his mind and he's been taken by his own brilliance. And they boiled it down to a bad boyfriend story. And it's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry that your tragic hero that you identify with can no longer fucking represent you. Exactly.

Exactly. The fragile male ego. Yeah. I'm sorry that they turned it into a real life story. It's like I'm sorry that they didn't make the invisible man more of an in-sell. Yeah, right. And I think the ending is important, especially for domestic abuse survivors, to get that win at the end, because you know what?

A lot of people don't, so why can't we fucking have it in a movie? Yeah, exactly. It's supposed to be fantasy. That's what movies are supposed to take you where you want to go. It's an escape. Yeah, right. 100%. And I think it also just opens up some really great conversations

about belief and gaslighting and gives some kind of real old examples to that. And you know, even if it's just like meant to be a popcorn kind of creature feature, I think one of the powerful things about this movie is that it provides like a really entertaining movie. But then if you know, there's, for for example like a heterosexual couple watching it, that can open up a conversation beyond you know just the content of the movie about some real things that are happening in the world today you know about the intersection points of women's bodies and politics and you know believe it and you know all that kind of stuff like I, sorry I'm trying to stop myself so that I'm not just like your mansplaining feminism,

but you get what I mean, like you can open up some consciousness. No, it's true. Yeah, absolutely. And I think at some point in the movie, it's like something that every woman has experienced in some small capacity that you can look at, like you said, like a header of sexual couple

looking and you're like, yeah, that happens, for sure. Yeah, and I think that's why, you know, like good on you Lee one, Al, for bringing in Elizabeth Moss in that way. Definitely. Because I feel like it really added a dimension to the movie that it may not have had other ones. Yeah. Like, imagine if Johnny Depp had just Johnny Depp to vote.

Right. Yeah. And it's like, thank goodness he let her have that control too of like using just her face to say certain things. Wouldn't have been the same. Right. He believed her, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

He sat aside his male ego that would tell him, I'm the director, I'm the writer, this is my story. And you recognize that it wasn't his story, and he gave it to the person whose story it belonged to. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Lee Wattell. And he made the movie that much more powerful as a result.

So it looks great. I'm so excited that we've been able to talk about this because there's so much kind of like real world stuff that we can talk about. There's some fun stuff that we can talk about. And then at the end of the day, it's a spooky, eukie thing. Yeah, it's just a great movie.

And I know that what we do on our podcasts is slightly different. But I feel like it's all kind of within the same umbrella of spooky ideas in the world, based in reality. Oh, yeah, definitely. 100%. Yeah, and I feel for like anybody listening to this Faced in reality. Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely. 100%. Yeah, and I feel for like anybody listening to this.

Sorry if we never fully explained who we are and what we do before this, but you know I have a good glass. You can figure it out. We're here. We're all podcasting. Here we are. We truly are. Yeah.

But this has been great. So thank you guys so much for being here. We're not thank you. Like this has been a really like wonderful little friendship that's been kind of upling up out of this and it's nice to be able to like each other on the line connecting this way and yeah, I love it. Now we're all friends. This friendship is magic. It is where spooky little yeah, absolutely.

Spooky little thing. Yeah, absolutely. Even with one second play. Yeah. Someday we'll move past the delay. We'll get to meet each other in person. Yes. Yes, yes. Yeah, once Miss Rona has moved on.

It's going to be beautiful. So I guess maybe we can take a moment to let people know where they can find us if they don't already know. Absolutely. You can listen to Morbid, a true crime podcast on any streaming service, really. And yeah, we release it kind of a weird schedule.

So we release two a week at some point. I don't know if it'll be by the end of the week. Typically by Sunday, you'll have your two episodes. Yeah. It's a perfect way to do it. Keep them on their toes. Exactly. You'll have your two episodes. Yeah. It's a perfect way to do it. Keep them on their toes. Exactly. You'll be waiting for it.

And if you're wondering who the hell we are, we're that spooky. We're a podcast that kind of covers true crime and anything that makes you go, oh, that's spooky. And we make it really gay. That's the other thing. It's kind of like half watching unsolved mysteries

and then half sitting at a drag show with your best friend. It's the best of both worlds. Who does love that? So you can check us out. We're on all platforms where that spooky and you can find our social media through there and we release every Wednesday and more than that sometimes. So anyway, again, thank you so much for joining us. Like this has been great. This is kind of like in Power Rangers where they all connect and make the big robot. It's kind of cool. It really was. It is like that.

I'm so serious. Thank you for having us. This has been so fun. We really appreciate that. All right, so for the million time, I'm going to thank you all for listening. My name is Johnny from that spooky. I'm Tyler from that spooky.

I'm Elena from Morbid, and I'm Ash from Morbid. And as we always like to say, if you're gonna be a bitch, keep it weird bitch. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Morbid, Early and Add Free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey. What makes a person a murderer? Are they born to kill? Or are they made to kill? I'm Candice

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