Morbid - Episode 1: Golden State Killer

Episode Date: May 2, 2018

Alaina is an autopsy technician with a passion for science, true crime and all things creepy. Ashleigh is a hair stylist who may look glamorous on the outside, but houses spooky core. Now that this bad Larry has been identified, it seemed like a perfect debut episode. Come take a look through the crimes and capture of Joseph James DeAngelo AKA The Golden State Killer, The East Area Rapist, The Diamond Knot Killer and The Original Nightstalker. He may have began his reign of terror way back in 1976 but he was able to continue it for four decades before pesky familial DNA was able to take him down. Isn't science great? See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We have pivoted, as they say, in the bus. We did a one flip and a-day. We pivoted because some big news happened, and I'm sure all of you, some of you, maybe none of you heard about it. If none of you heard about it, turn this off you heard about it turn this off. Exactly you don't belong here. Just kidding you all belong here. Except you all. So basically what happens? They caught the Golden We now have a name. It is Joseph James Danielo, that asshole who's super creepy. Nightmarish voice you heard at the very beginning of this podcast is now behind bars. Yeah, there is.

So we figured with this huge true crime news, we couldn't just let the first episode go. We had to talk about it. That would be dumb and we are not dumb. Y'all. And everyone turn the podcast. Stay with us. Please stay with us. I promise we get better. We grow on you. I swear. So basically we're going to start, I say basically a lot. Yeah, it's okay. We're going to have to work on that. We'll work on it. We're gonna have to work on that work on it. We'll work on it We're working for all of you up. They will for sure the three people listening to this So we're gonna start with talking about he this guy did a lot so many things he did all the things

He has known has a lot of things so he was he was known as a lot of things. So he was. He was known as the Golden State Killer. The original Nightstalker. That's my favorite. I don't know why. I like it because I feel like Richard Ramirez needed a better name. Yeah. Because sure, he was the Nightstalker,

but this guy was the original Nightstalker. My favorite. Actually, my least favorite, but like my favorite in a funny way is the Diamond Not Killer. That one just sounds dumb In fancy actually something wicked fancy like I feel like he should be wearing a monical. I'm like a bow tie Perhaps a top Tap dance and up to the murder scene and that he did not do that. No, I can I can confirm that he did not do that

Tap dance and at least no one saw him do that. That's not reported that he was a tap dancer. That would either be really scary. He probably fucking would, because he was all about the terror. He was. He was all about the terror. That's one thing, because he was also known as the East Area Rapists. Yeah, yeah. Because the whole first part of his

reign of terror here was focused mostly on rap rapes of which he committed at least 45. No, that we know of. At least 45 that were reported. And then, he was a bad guy. He's also going to be known for at least 12 murders. And what is it? 150 or over 150 burglary. I mean, this guy was a d-bag of the highest order.

Yeah, he was busy. He was real busy. So how they caught him is actually pretty interesting. He left a ton of DNA everywhere he went. But at the time, DNA was not a thing. So it didn't really help. No one had DNA back then. No, there was no DNA.

No, none of us had DNA. Nobody. Early man did not have DNA. Nope. Zero. We got it later. It's like a millennial thing. But for sure.

So they had this DNA on file. It was just sitting there doing nothing. And after a while, they didn't have anything to compare it to. What they ended up doing was they looked at a genealogy site which was confirmed not to be 23 and me or ancestry.com because they've already said that they don't do this kind of thing. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Just for anybody. And I believe it was one of the sites that you basically, when you sign up, you say that it's okay that your DNA is going to be open to the public.

And it wasn't his DNA, it was familial DNA. So his family. So his family. So Thanksgiving would have been weird this year. Had he not become. But it's a pretty good match. So this is like, it's a pretty good match. So this is like it's perfect what you want like familiar DNA is great to go off of and what they were able to do was take that DNA and they were able to compare it against a sample that they collected in public domain. So like a cigarette that exactly or like a drink, he probably they might have gone through his trash. Oh yeah, they could have done anything like anything he's discarded that he put DNA on

in public. That's free reign. So it means they must have been watching him at some point or staking him away. Because I know they did survey, they did surveillance on him for a little while. And they waited for him to discard something to grab. At least that's what I heard. So you know, just around. I mean genealogy sites man

Total on them worse or definitely go on them. I don't know what to do. Just like do whatever 23 and me and in sister you don't come over apparently like lock solid so you're good You don't have to worry about so many taking your DNA. It's not like Facebook. This worked out for the best It's not like face We're coming for you Zuckerberg So It's not like Facebook. We're coming for you, Zuckerberg. So Joseph James DeAngelo's reign of terror began way back in 1976. A long time ago. A whole long time ago.

Before I was born, which means it was like a billion years ago, because I am a hundred and four. Because you're older than me. I'm older than Derek. I'm like 104 years. Exactly. And basically, you started out his career focusing on young women and teenagers. And when I say teenagers, I mean as young as 13. You're just so sparse.

When you were a baby, a child that should know nothing of the horrors of this world. So he started out basically going after people who are alone in their homes and his MO was to stake these people out for weeks before. Yeah, weeks. He would know where they were home when they weren't home. He would add his family their family yeah and like their neighbors and stuff like he just started gathering information. It was like super into his craft and he wouldn't just stake them out he would break into their homes so he would find a way in he would find the best way in. Yeah like he would remove screens unlock windows and leave and leave the fucking garage door was broken.

Yep, and he would leave it so that he could get back in. Oh, that's hilarious. And he'd go in there, he'd learn the layout of your house, he'd see where all your rooms are, he'd see if he had a dog, he'd see where light switches are. He would sometimes leave tools and weapons places so that he could get them quicker when he came back, which is hard for finds. He left because he loved to use shoelaces to bind people.

And one of the things I'm pretty sure he took special note of is the kitchen. He loved the kitchen. He really loved the kitchen. We will definitely mention that at some point because this guy, yeah, he had a very weird relationship with food Which I would love to have a weird relationship with just about everything Yeah, he just had he had some stuff

He has a weird existence. Yeah, well it'll be interesting to see if he talks but His his whole deal was he would break into the house in the middle of the night, like in the middle of your room cycle. He was really disturbing you. Yeah, like right in the middle. So you were already disoriented. He's wearing a ski mask. Sometimes no pants. A lot of times no pants. Like he would just come in already pantsless. Which is I hate to say it but like smart because he wouldn't have to put his pants back on and leave really fast It's gonna happen. You can just run right the fuck out of there. It's like evil efficiency. Yes. I really have

That's horrible to like, but that's a funny good name to Wow I called it It should be like a metal band. No, it should be like a super like Katy Perry kind of deal. We're like an indie. Oh yes. Yeah, like something super chill. Yeah, you have a little efficiency. We're just chilling on the couch.

I mean, I took it. So that's not free, guys. That's not free. That's mine. A lot of the times, you would come right up to you in bed. He would flash a flashlight right in your face to wake you up, which already is soaring into you. Right, you can't see him, exactly. And then he would speak to you through gritted teeth.

Like clunch. Yeah, like he would clunch his teeth. And he would disguise his voice more like making it like higher. A lot of people described it as on the fun of a voice. Yeah, like a cartoon kind of way. Which is even scarier. I don't like that. That makes me feel some type of way.

Can we talk about the first victim? How she won't go? Oh, because that's the worst. Yes. You think your alarm clock is bad? Yeah. I have news for you. This is real bad.

So the first victim was woken up by this guy in the middle of the night, calling her by her name. Calling her by her name, which her by her name which is already so disconcerning and he was panceless. Standing in her doorway of her bedroom tapping the door frame with a knife while calling her name to wake up. No thank you. Like what? Disinterested. Nope. Can't do it and I feel like if I saw that in a horror movie like most of the things you did. I know feel like that was a lot maybe scale it back because I don't What's real?

It's so cute. Just make me wanna happen to that shit was real. Yeah, like he was a horror movie villain of the highest order And now actually I know HBL is making Oh yeah A documentary series about it. I'm sure he's gonna be a that vlog. I think they're gonna make some movies about it. Now that they've got them, I just want a crazy film. Yeah, and I want like a Dahmer like Kemper style prison interview with him where he just like opens up because as we'll mention later this guy, I think log to his fame. And he liked having notoriety for what he was doing.

But anyways. But anyways, but anyways, once he was in the people's houses, they got raped and they got raped in many ways, several times. And while he was doing it, he would stop. He would just... This is where his weird really shit with food comes in. He would literally tell them I'm going to take a break so I can go to the kitchen and cook some food needed. You can host the best backyard barbecue.

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Yeah, he was already already. Like he knew where everything was, he knew what food they probably had in their house. Like, but like it's really messed up. And then like I remember there was one instance where I think he broke into a house where there was a six year old. And this is when he later started attacking couples

which we'll get into later. But he had already assaulted the woman several times and he had made himself a sandwich. You know, like, six years old woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, saw a man standing in the hallway eating a goddamn sandwich, looked at him like, what?

Cause she's six and in the middle of the night you got pee, you got pee. She's looked at him and he said, I'm playing a game with your parents. Do you want to help? And she was like, no, she looked at him and then went in the bathroom, peed and went back to bed, which got on her. And he didn't do anything to her. But like, what?

Like, what are you doing? She was just standing in a sandwich. Well, like, what is happening? I don't know. He did weird shit all the time. Like, another time, a lot of people said he used to act like an addict. Oh, yeah, that one case where they were stopped was a doctor. There was a couple of times where he would tell them I need my fix

and ask them for medicine. I got some for pills or money because I need drugs. And they said that he, because it's like maybe he was an addict, but I don't think he was. I can't just try to throw off the cops. Yeah. Looking for a very specific suspect. And just confused things.

Yeah, exactly. And the victim. Ad eggs, like very exactly. And the victim said that it seemed like he was putting on an act. Like it wasn't a real- It was too much. She was like over dramatizing it. And there was one victim who was a teenager. And he knew that her father was a doctor and that her parents were not home.

I believe it was the one who her and her teenage sister were both tied up. I think only one of them was technically assaulted, but I might be wrong about that. And he asked to the daughter where the doctor's pills. And she was like, I don't know, I don't know where they are. Eventually he found them. He made a big production out of like shaking the pill bottles in the other room and like pretending he's taking them turning on the water and like I need my fix I need my fix shaking and all that and then they later found the bag of pills soaking wet in the neighbor's garbage. It's so weird. So he was just bullshitting

and it's like what? What? It's like he got bored and he was just like adding things to make it more exciting. It was super exciting for himself. Next level nightmare, like next level. His mind, man. He was just, I don't even know what to say about him. He also sometimes would try to mimic the behavior of like what he thought was, gets a frinny, uh? Yeah, like I read a bunch of things where he would just like start like crying in the middle of it. Yep, but it wasn't like he was actually feeling any kind of remorse or emotion. I think it was just him trying to be theatrical. Exactly. I think he just liked and who knows? Maybe he does have some like weird because there was a lot of times like he was saying like he would just talk about his mommy. Yeah. Like go cry in the corner and be like mommy hates that.

Or like mommy hates seeing this on the news. Yeah. It scares mommy to see this in the news. Yep, or he'd be like, I don't want to do this anymore mommy. Or there was one instance where the woman thought that he said, fuck you mommy, but then we found out, and like I've actually found this in like a Reddit post that he was engaged to a woman named Bonnie, like B-O-N-I-E. So who knows if he was like having mommy issues, or if he was having Bonnie. Which those are two very separate things.

Yeah. And one of the victims did say that she knows that he was saying Bonnie. Yeah. At least one of them said it. And it's what's bothering me a little bit is that they're like streaming this narrative now after this came out, where it's like, oh,

you're saying, agree about Bonnie. And Bonnie and and him broke up and I'm like, poor Bonnie. Yeah, like, and it's not Bonnie's gonna get all slack for this. Yeah, like this is not Bonnie's deal. Like let Bonnie go. Oh, who knows where Bonnie is. Bonnie is not gonna come forward. Bonnie Gina's not his lover. Yeah, and you know, nope. And you know what? I don't blame you, Bonnie. Don't make a Bonnie's business. Like, this is him being a creep.

Like, damn. It's always the woman's fault, man. Seriously. It's out of the box. Fight the patriarchy. But, uh, so... Let's see. He like switches his MO at one point after the police are saying that he's targeting young women.

They've sent out kind of like an alert. Like, don't be alone in your home. Bl blah yada yada. So he is very adaptable, very like versatile, switches to attacking couples. And this is when you thought shit was real already. It gets, it takes a turn for even dark or yeah, it gets really than you thought you thought it was real real. So sit down. Sit down. Yeah. Grab gets really than you thought you thought it was real real so sit down Sit down. Yeah, grab some water snack. Maybe snuggle a puppy. Oh, yeah, do do a comforting thing. Yeah Because Now that he switches the couples things get real weird real weird. He breaks him

So he kind of keeps the same mo Generally, yeah, he breaks in. He's got the flashlight. He has the ski mask on. He still breaks in beforehand. Exactly. One case he unloaded a handgun. That was in a bedside table and he like shown the flashlight on the couple's face and disoriented them that way. The husband turns over to open the bedside table and grab the gun and then he flashes the flashlight onto his hand where he's holding the bullets that were once in that gun. I can't. That's another thing that you're like no if I was in a horror movie I'd be like okay.

Yeah I'd go okay that would be like that's really theatrical and no one's that the Atrical but he was but he was he was that fucking theatrical so he breaks in disorient you then he has The what he ties up the man has the woman's stack dishes on the man's back Takes the woman out of the room most of the Yeah, he always separated. Yeah, separated them said that he went to the husband and said if he heard a dish move fall on the floor I'm gonna kill you or I'm gonna kill her I'm gonna kill both of you. Okay, let anybody else in the house because sometimes there were children in these houses. Many times there were children. Which is so sad. And then he would proceed to reap the

woman over the course of hours. A lot of women said that they thought he would be gone because it would have stopped for so long and then he would come right back again. It's like she moved and he kind of noise, anything like that. Yeah, so these poor people are just laying there tied up by shoestrings. They've been terrorized, assaulted,

everything you can think of on the night. And then he's never, he's always telling them, I'm going to be back. I'm going to kill you if you move. And you're just laying there hoping in the poor, the man that was tied up. I mean, the situation you have to be in, and you're sitting there, you're taking a gamble, either way, you're taking a gamble to move and try to help your wife or partner, because maybe he's telling the truth and he's

going to kill you both. So he's going to kill her. Because maybe he's telling the truth and he's gonna kill you both. Right. And it's like, or you lay there knowing she's in another room with the sky and having no idea what's happening. And you're just laying there. It's like, what an unimaginable position to be in. Yeah, so the whole community is up in arms, not okay, not doing well, not sleeping at night.

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He, the killer, I just couldn't talk for a while. The killer Joseph James Tangelove was at the town hall meeting that night. That was an amazing sound. He was there and you know it didn't stand up. I don't know if he put me in put in what his deal was there. He was just listening, you know, and ended up at must have followed that couple home. Yep. And that couple where the man had stood up and said this would never happen. I would kill him. They were attacked. Unfortunately, that night. And then before to the end, his wife was assaulted. Yes. Which is awful. Which,

and it just shows the depth of this guy's awfulness and adaptability that this guy has, like it's insane, because we now believe he was at the town hall meeting obviously because that happened. And also my favorite murder posted on their Instagram photo that appears to be him sitting in the crowd. And if you put it next to a photo of him at the time like a navy photo, which by the way he was in the navy, which kind of shows why he was able to do weird knots with his libitures, because that's why he was referred to as the Diamond knot killer in times, because a diamond knot is a very weird intricate knot. So, yeah, it looks like he was there. Myferre Marder posted the photo, go check out their Instagram to see that and also listen to them because they're awesome Shout out to Karen and Georgia. So after that

The murders didn't begin until 1978, which was was this after he got like fired from the police force I mean he was not yeah, he was he was fired So it turned out that he was a police officer which kind of makes sense why he was able one why he was Staking out because he knew that that's the smartest way to catch somebody and you know do what you need to do and to He was able to leave nothing behind and was able to keep his himself completely concealed his identity completely concealed Because he knew that's what you the training you get in the academy right in because he knew that's what the training you get in the academy. In 1979, he was fired from the police department for a really ridiculous reason or hilarious one.

It's just chocolate thing that you buy all the time. Yeah, this is always the list. It's always on my list. It's always on the grocery store. One, he stole dog repellent, which I didn't even know was a fake. I actually did, I thought that was fake. I was like, I was like, oh dog repellent. And didn't even know was a fake. I actually did. I thought that was fake. I was like, I was like, oh dog repellent. And then they really know real thing. Yeah. And a hammer. And a hammer from a pain save. Just casual things like picking up on a Tuesday. So what's interesting about that

is a lot of the victims, if you with them had dogs, a lot of them were were said later to be shocked that Their dogs were barking or seemingly like trying to attack this guy right because normally they would they said that they their dogs bark and And it's smelled like a weird smell that they couldn't identify yeah on him and it seems like that Must be because of the dog room, which I didn't know what is thing But when I looked it up it is to make a dog stop barking so And obviously it would make a dog not want to attack you because you apparently smell bad to them So that's a weird little thing, but they would get on his trail and then lose it. Yeah, like the Police line would get on the trail and lose it right

Yeah, like the police law would get on the trail and lose it. Right. Just stepping back a couple years, it was right before the murders, which started in 1978. In 1977, somebody sent a letter to the police and they believe it was him. And it's now kind of canon at this time. So the letter is so dramatic. Very like snap your hands and like his tongue goes and like poetry slam it up. So I'm going to read it for you all. Enjoy because this is wonderful. It's called excitement's crave. He literally titled this. Can everybody just take a second? So all those mortals surviving birth upon facing maturity take inventory of their worth

to prevailing society. Choosing values becomes a task, one self must seek satisfaction. The selected route will unmask character when plans take action. Accepting some work to perform at fixed pay but promise for more is a recognized social norm, as is decorum seeking lore. Achieving while others lifting should be caused for deserving fame, leisure temps excitement seeking, what's right and expected seems tame. Jesse James has been seen by all, and son of Sam has an author. Others now feel temptations call Sacramento should make an offer. To make a movie of my life

that will pay for my planned exile, just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file, your East Area rapist and deserving pest. See you in the press or on TV. Why? Why? Why? That's a lot to unpack. So, he sat down at his kitchen table. Or wherever he liked to do his car name. Or his cave, wherever he lived. And wrote that, like,

you know he was tossing papers left and right, like, nope, that doesn't sound good. Let's add this in here. He's trying to make that as intense as possible. Super intense guy. No chill in that poem. Basically, to me what it seems like is, first of all, he seems to be kind of influenced or, you know, seeing role models and other famous killers, you know, Jesse James, son

of Sam, and saying how they have authors, meaning they have books about them, they have movies about them. They want that. He wants a book. He wants a movie. He's like, you know what? Yeah, let's give him this. Because that's what he's asking for.

That's all you want. And then the part that is kind of silly and unsettling is when you first hear it, you're like, wait, what? Because he says, he says, just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file, which is like, what? Are you talking about it? He said it like why? Like, that's weird. But then in May 1977, the same year,

one of the victims who also had two small children in the house. I just want to mention that because he's a goddamn monster. You don't care if you had children in the house Sometimes he made the children tie them up so or you would just tie them up and like move them. Yeah, he's just real gross This lady was assaulted in her home by him and she also had in her home an Italian father Which to me kind of seems like he so he's saying like I want to add up the wife of a mafia lord to myself. I was a father in law wasn't it? I think it's I'm not sure if it was the father in law I just it's the an Italian

grandfather which I think is the grandfather in the kids either way there was a Italian father in the house which isn't exactly the wife of a mafia lord, but it kind of, it's like, and he wasn't just Italian, he was from Italy. So, I mean, to me, that seems like he was kind of making a little like confirming, I wrote the letter or trying to be like, see, I did it.

Which is just... Well, and he was all about like calling the police, calling the victims, phone calls galore Yeah, he was a creep. Yeah, he didn't just let these feet like after he had to assaults of them He didn't just let them live their life if he let you live he was gonna keep calling you He's sometimes twelve people before oh I'm hanging up. You say words like that one There's like in use, whisper into the phone,

like, I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna kill you. Like, call the bitches and whores and say really, really foul things. Really foul things. By the way, if you are so inclined to see all of these and you can also hear recordings, a website that we used for a lot of our research

was coldcase-er.ns.com. They've done like an insanely extensive job at researching this. Everything you could possibly want. Yeah, they have all of the attacks they have before, during and after exactly what happened. All the phone call recordings. Straight from the victims. And you can see all of this, like everything that he did after, because it's so long that we could be here for like 10 hours talking.

But if we went through each one. But yeah, he was a super creep. He didn't, he began murdering after he had too botched attacks, too, which kind of seems like maybe he was like angry. Yeah, like it kind of pissed him off and he was like, well now I'm going to kill people. Yeah. So once he went to murder, he basically his method was bludgeoning. That seemed to be his. In one case, I think it was the first one perhaps that he used a fire log from outside. Yeah. To bludgeon them. Yeah. Like a like a log you put in your fireplace. He bludgeoned. And a lot of it was overkill. Yeah, they said a lot of the times

It was a lot of overkill like he just kept going They took early record as forever and I just want to go through the amount of just the murder victims Just to say their names because their name should be out there more than his shit So I'll go with August 21st 1975 was Keith and Patricia Harrington. An interesting one with this one is Keith's older brother Bruce actually helped usher in Proposition 69 after his murder, which mandates prisoners that they have to provide donate their DNA to a database, which is what would help in these kind of situations if he was ever, because if these people are ever

arrested, their DNA is automatically going to be on file. So they can grab them if it's going to hit. So that's pretty awesome that something good came out of that, you know, like Bruce is about us. February 2nd, 1978 was Ryan and Katie Measury I want to say if I'm saying that wrong I apologize. December 30th 1979 was Dr. Robert Offerman and Deborah Manning. March 13th 1980 was Charlene and Lyman Smith. February 5th 1981 was Manuella Wittun, which again

I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly, W-I-T-T-H-U-H-N, totally yell at me if I said that wrong. July 27, 1981 was Sherry Domingo and Greg Sanchez, and May 4, 1986 was Jinelle Cruz, who was only 18 years old. There is another one that hasn't been officially linked to him, but a lot of people think it might have been him, because it was around the times that he was burglarizing homes. His name was Claude Snelling. That was September 11th, 1975. One of the survivors, actually, that we wanted to talk about this lady is such a badass. Jane Carson Sandler I believe is how her name is said.

He attacked her and it was 630 in the morning when he broke into her house. Which like birds are chirping people are waiting. People are getting ready for work. You should be enjoying a cup of coffee. Yeah, her husband had a feeling safe. She definitely wasn't. Her husband had just left for work. He was, I believe, he was in the military in like some branch of the army. He broke in either through the garage door

or through her son's room, because she had reported a few weeks earlier that somebody must have been in her home. Her son's piggy bank was missing and a few was so sad. No, like what? What are you doing? And some of her rings were also missing. When he came into on the morning of the attack her three-year-old son was laying next

to her. He comes in, I believe he was panceless, says, Shut up or I'll kill you. I just want your money. So it was under the guys that it was just going to be. Which he used a lot. That was a lot of his. He used to say I just want money, just cooperate. I just want money. Right. So he ties her and her son up. He ties their wrists, their ankles, with shoelaces. He moves her son out of the room. I mean, which is upsetting. Upsetting, but at least. I'm glad that it's like like a three-year-old. Oh, poor baby. He raped her and she is quoted as saying, I'm not sorry I was

raped and I say that because it has given me one of the purposes in my life and that is to reach out and help other women Which is amazing that she can take an event like this in her life and turn it around to I made it her one of her life's purposes to help these women Like can you imagine being that kind of optimistic? I think I would just like fall into the deepest dark possible depression. I don't know how these things talk about that's like hero status. Like being able to look at it like that. And she was absolutely terrorized after this. Like didn't feel safe in her home.

Of course. Didn't want her husband to go away on these trips that he had to go on. This is horrible. Oh, I think it was a month or so after the attack. She finally was starting to feel a little bit better, safer. She had put up a wicket-tall fence in her backyard and her husband was away.

She was sunbathing in the backyard and a pebble landed next to her that had fallen over the fence. So she kind of didn't think anything of it at first and then another one and another one came and she ran into that was because she was like what was happening. Yeah, it was scary what was happening. She calls the police there there within like 10 minutes because obviously they know what she had been through.

And it turns out some asshole that lived down the street from her was just terrorizing her because he knew what happened to her. He was just like half a fun time like spending was just terrorizing her because he knew what happened to her. He was just like half a fun time like spending his afternoon terrorizing a rape victim. Yeah, you have to be the lowest form of parasite on earth to do that. You really do. Like you're gross. And we don't know if it was the Golden State Killer actually. I mean it could have been based on the fact that it has to continue to call people. I mean, she was receiving phone calls as recently as 2017. She got five in one week that were just all like silent, breathing stupid hang up phone calls. And it's like it's terrifying either way, whether it was him or somebody thinking it was funny to terrorize rape events. Either way, it's like, come on, people do better.

Seriously. Do better. Um, I just a little like to to hit bits here. It seems like a lot of people said that it didn't seem like he was very into the sexual part of the rape. In fact, there were actually points where they weren't sure if he had finished and or he couldn't get going so Yeah, it's

Wily reported so we're not speaking here. We're just telling you what we're hearing Slut you know it's reported widely that he had a Tiny member. He was not well endowed at all. There was one girl who was a teenager. I believe she was a 15 year old. Yeah. She was raped three or four times in one night by him. And she was a virgin.

And she told him that. Or he asked her that or she told him that. Either way it was brought up. When she was checked out later, her hymen was not broken. So that's three or four times a one night. He was pretty thin. But that's how that's how monstrous this guy was though. Like first of all, 15 year old and to even it's just some of his youngest victims were like 13. Yeah, it's like awful and it seems like his main motive was not to, you know, not to get off. It was just to literally terrorize. It was to instill as much fear and as much panic and anxiety into these people as possible.

And it seemed like he almost got like power from it. Absolutely. Yeah, like he would, I mean, he would tell them he was gonna kill them. He would tell them he wasn't gonna kill them. He was gonna kill everybody in the house. If he had kids, he was gonna kill your kids. There was a case where he told the woman if this ended up on the news that he would kill her

and then told her husband if he didn't end up on the news, he would kill her. Yeah, and there was several times where, if there were kids in the house, he would say, you know, don't let these plates move or I'm going to cut off your kids ear or finger and bring it to you. Like, can you imagine like being a parent? No, God no. He kept gloves on for almost all his attacks.

Even when he was raping people and like fondling and groping, a lot of people said he kept the gloves on, which is really weird. He also used a bike to get away from scenes, which sounds really ridiculous. Out of the cars, it's like live though. But then when you think about it, you can get really quick, you can get away really fast on a bike. And somebody running after you, isn't going to be able to catch you on a bike. you're going going going going and then even so many in a car If you dart into a yard or down an alleyway, they can get you so it's actually a really smart way to get Away which I don't want to admit that he's smart, but like he's again. He's evil efficient I was gonna say

Evil efficiency. Yes. TM And I want to you we really can't talk about this without mentioning Michelle McNamara and Her book I'll be gone in the dark because she should honestly be getting so much more credit For this than she is because that woman put in so much work this became her life's business This was her life and it's like she put together so many loose ends she connected so many things. Right. She was and she was able to get information from people that like no one else could get. Like she did the damn thing. Yeah she was working on this.

And day and night. It's so tragic that she's not physically here to see this happen. physically here to see this happen but hopefully wherever she is she's you know watching and she's clapping everybody around her she is tap dancing she was in she's and and I believe and it was Pat and Oswald their husband and a few other people who finished the book for her because he said that's what she would have wanted she wanted that book finish right so go check that book out because awesome and it's awesome. And the title I'll be gone in the dark is actually ripped from a quote directly from the Golden State Killer.

He said to a victim. He said, do I believe it was a 16 year old, his ninth victim I want to say? That he said, basically don't move or you'll be silent forever and I'll be gone in the dark. AKA like I'm a... Which is where again if you heard that in a movie you'd be like no one talks like that. Like he's on another level. He's really on another level. So now we got him.

We're gonna see what happens. Hopefully he's gonna start talking and we can maybe do another episode talking about what his Bullshit insights are not To talk please talk so talk after that letter poem. Yeah, he's a fame see over and another one He's gonna be like Kimper where he's gonna be like let me tell you everything because I like seeing my face and hearing my voice For sure like I really think that's what it's gonna be Yes, so yeah, that's the Golden State Killer, Joseph James the Angelo, that asshole is caught. So stay tuned for that and we are going to do Edmund Kemper. Next episode.

Next episode will definitely be Edmund Kemper because we got him totally ready to go. Yes. And that dude talks a lot. I don't think he's written any poems, and that dude talks a lot. So Check it out, but little you know spoiler alert. He has done some books on tape So just hang on to that just chew on that nugget until next week. That's for another time All right guys, so thank you so much for listening. We hope you continue to listen. And we hope you keep it weird. Yeah. Come back and listen to us again.

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