Morbid - Episode 103: Erika and Benjamin Sifrit, Natural Born Assholes Mini Morbid

Episode Date: November 18, 2019

In today's Alaina Mini Morbid, we meet two young lovers who somehow managed to take the film Natural Born Killers as an instructional video. Erika and Benjamin are not your average couple killers, if only for the fact that they didn't have a motive for their crimes. Their only aim was the thrill of the kill. Cold-blooded doesn't even begin to describe these two lizard people. Sources: https://mdcoastdispatch.com/2014/10/16/fed-judge-denies-erika-sifrit-appeal-decision-likely-exhausts-challenges/ https://casetext.com/case/sifrit-v-nero https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2003-07-08-0307080192-story.html Support out sponsors! Aurate Jewelry is beautiful, delicate and affordable real gold pieces that are made for life. Visit AurateNewYork.com/Morbid and enter code MORBID for 15% off your first purchase.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of your home. Download the free Angie mobile app today or visit Angie.com. That's ANGI.com. Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Alena. And this is morbid. The mini episode. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, more bed, mini, more bed, mini, more bad, mini, more bad. But is it really going to be, you know, what I said that the bus one was going to be a mini, and it definitely wasn't. So I'm not going to make any promises here. Yeah, but that bus episode rocked people's worlds. That bus episode is still touching my soul to this moment. I'll know every time I see a school bus now, I'm like,

Ed, is Ed? Is that you? I know, I'm like, are you guys safe? Is everybody okay? Yeah, that thing ruined everybody, including us. But, you know, this one is also kind of the life ruiner, but not in the same way. And it doesn't really have a happy ending.

Yay, glad that it's seven in the morning and you're gonna fuck me right up. I mean, don't worry, people get arrested and shit, but like bad shit happens. All right, so sure you're just like, let's get it. Yes, because I currently have some kind of cold that makes me sound like a frog that has just drink acid. So we're not gonna do a whole lot of talk before this because my voice might give out by the end of it. So let's do it. Okay. Alright, so today I'm going to talk about the case of Benjamin and Erica Sifrit. Are they twins? No. Oh, they are a married couple at the time of the crimes. They were 24 years old. They were married and seemingly happy, totally normal couple by all accounts until,

you know, right before this crime occurred, they took a sharp turn. The couple met at a bar when Erica was a senior at Mary Washington College in Virginia. She graduated cum laude from this college with a degree in political science. She was a basketball player her entire life. She played through college. She even I think was considering going pro, but she was too small. Bummer. Yeah, total bummer.

Um, Erica came from money. She was an only child born to Charlotte in Gerald Grace. Her father was a successful contractor. Everyone around her said she was super normal, outgoing, bubbly, happy, nothing to really report. She was just a normal kid. Benjamin was a former almost Navy SEAL. It's been reported in some places that he was a former Navy Seal, but he never actually graduated the total program and did the total training to become a Navy Seal. So was he a Navy seal or no? No. Okay. It's early. I literally just said that he was. You said that he didn't, it was, I don't know, I'm confused.

So he was not a Navy seal. He was a former almost Navy seal. You're supposed to say, Ash, you're pretty. You're so pretty, Ash. It's like the Eagle Cubs all over again. It is. It really is. Eagles do not have cubs, but you're so pretty. Me, me,'re so pretty. Being you, being you.

So in 1997, he graduated first in his class of like the first part of the training, but he did not complete all the stuff to become an actual Navy seal, which is probably the hardest thing that you can possibly do. So probably why he didn't become a Navy seal. Yeah, because I don't think he was really want to stick with positive things in his life. He's a douche. He's a big douche. His parents were Elizabeth and Craig Sifrit. He grew up kind of like, you know, low middle class and he was from Minnesota. Three weeks after the two met at a bar, Benjamin asked Erica to marry him and they aloped in Las Vegas. They were 20 years old at the time.

I'm sorry, how many weeks? After three weeks. No, my answer's no. Yeah, Erica's answer was hell, yeah. Oh, actually, excuse me, mine would be nah. Nah, nah, sir, no, no, three weeks is less than a month. So unless that rock is popping, I don't even know if he gave her. I mean, I don't know. Oh, if there's no rock, get the fuck out of my face with that proposal. You hear that fellas? I'll come a fuck. I mean, that's it. Love is love, man. Okay. There's no love if there's no rock. Wow. You hear that fellas. Alright. So yeah, they were both 20 years old, which is pretty young, but you know, people have made it at 20 years old. That's a getting married. I'm not going to judge. So after college, Erica took that political science degree

and she opened up a scrapbook store. That's really cute. Yeah. She uses that scrapbooking skill later in a not cute way. Oh, she adushed too? Big doosher. Is this like a fucking Carla Homelka and what's his face kind of

relationship? Paul Bernardo sure is it's a killer couple situation. Wow. That just came out of you like wow. I was like the sunrise. That was like the sunrise. Love that. That's what I meant to be. Yeah, so they're a killer couple. They basically, when they moved back,

which I'll get into in a second, but they moved back home and Eric's father bought her a scrapbook store. So she really hustled. I think I know this case. Do you? The scrapbook makes it feel familiar. She's actually called Little Miss scrapbook. Yeah, super cute, right? So once they were married, Benjamin's family

in particular saw a big change in him. His mother Elizabeth said that once he met Erica and once I got married, he stopped calling. He barely saw any of his family. People thought that she may have been abusive. She was incredibly controlling Once I got married, he stopped calling. He barely saw any of his family. People thought that she may have been abusive. She was incredibly controlling and possessive. And he kind of was being isolated by like out, like you know how this happens in abuse cases when the person who's doing the abusing

will isolate the other person from family and friends because then they're like, I'm all you have. You can't go anywhere. And people felt like this is what she was doing to him. Now he's a piece of shit. Just putting that out there. He has total control over his own actions. It just seems like she was kind of the one steering the relationship a little.

Let somebody try to do that shit to me. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. I would. So she hated that he was gone a lot with his military training schedule. And actually when they met, I think one of the things he said to him was like, we shouldn't get involved with me because I'm gone a lot. And I'm training to be a Navy SEAL. You know, I won't be able to give you the attention you deserve.

And she still was like, no, you're going to be with me. Like this from the get go. She was like, nope. I win. Like, you're going to be with me. Like this from the get go. She was like, no, I win. Like you're going to be with me. And he was like, I love a lady that knows what she wants. And then he was like, oh, God, I'm terrified. Pretty much. I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

Like I said, he was training a ton, traveling a ton, and she was possessive as fuck. She would call him constantly when he was away. And he was constantly getting in trouble with his superiors because of it. She would call him constantly when he was away and he was constantly getting in trouble with his superiors because of it. She would claim to have anxiety attacks and make him come home all the time. Once when he was in Alaska for training,

she flew up there unexpectedly and they were both sent home because it was against the rules for that to happen. So he immediately got in trouble. Well, that sucks. Maybe Eric is why he didn't become a fucking Navy SEAL. I think actually people do say that when he got in the relationship with her that like, he stopped becoming so driven towards that. But again, he made this choice. So whatever Benjamin. Now suddenly he turned into a complete asshole according to his military comrades and people around him.

He got a swastika tattoo. Yeah, not allowed. No, not even okay on any level. And was kicked out of the military for insubordination and going AWOL. And he was kicked out for like inappropriate insignia, kicked out for like inappropriate insignia, which if any of our military listeners or some of our mods in our Facebook group

are military dudes, if anybody can give us insight on what that means, I don't know if that means the swastikata too, like I don't insignia, I don't know. But if somebody can let me know what that means, I couldn't really find a lot about it. But yeah, those are the things he was kicked out for. He was dishonorably discharged with a bad contact discharge.

So no honorable discharge for him. Bad, bad, all the bad. So much bad. And so now he's out of a job. So Eric is dad bought her the scrap bookstore, and they are now back in her hometown of Altoona Altona, Pennsylvania, because that's what happens. Apparently you just move back to your hometown and your dad buys you a scrapbook store, right? Did you hear that dad? I'm gonna need a scrapbook store. Yeah. I mean that's just what

happens. Sounds weird, but this is when shit went crazy. Scrapbook stores are mayhem apparently. You know what's funny is this really just sounds like, I mean, minus the swastika. Stop. Oh, that's swastika. Minus the swastika. Dude, it really sounds like the beginning of a hallmark movie. Actually, it kind of does.

Like, we're going to move home and work on our marriage and our happiness. And I'm going to make a scrapbook store. And this really mysterious man is gonna come in, and he's Santa. And in the end, you know what, he's Santa. But that's the end of every Christmas hallmark movie, and he said, it's not like in the six cents,

the six cents makes you think that every horror movie ends with the person who was dead the whole time. Every hallmark movie is, he was Santa the whole time. Every hallmark movie is he was Santa the whole time. They're always Santa. Always. Just remember that guys. They're always Santa. So the couple suddenly out of no like just as soon as they moved back, they're already on this like trajectory, I think, but all of a sudden when they moved back, they turned their lives into a bootleg version of natural born killers. Erica got a tattoo on her hip that was inspired by natural born killers,

which great movie, but like maybe don't get inspired by it. What was her tattoo? It was that's cross on her hip. Oh, you haven't seen that movie, have you? I bleed the fifth. She has not seen that movie, folks. People yell at me. People yell at her for that, because that's a great movie.

You need to see that movie. They got super into alcohol and drugs, mainly pills and cocaine. Both of them got a ton of guns and also got pet snakes that they named Hitler, HIV, Bonnie and Clyde. I don't even have a comment. Like Bonnie and Clyde, I get Hitler and HIV. What the fuck? That's some shit.

Like that right there is immediately when friends and family need to be like, all right, let's lock them in a room cause some bad shit's gonna happen right now. Let's lock them in separate rooms., let's lock them in a room, because some bad shit's gonna happen right now. Let's lock them in separate rooms. Yeah, or lock them in a room. Let them, whatever happens to each other, let them, let it happen.

Hitler HIV. And then Bonnie and Clyde, I know Bonnie and Clyde were criminals, but like they're much more like, Johnny than fucking Hitler and HIV. I just, I'm trying to think of something to say, but all my brain, the wheels are turning and HIV is just not funny for a snake name. No.

Neither is Hitler. Hitler either. My brain wheels are just turning. My brain wheels. So this is when they started committing petty theft together and it looked like they were just doing a complete 180, like trying to turn into these like badass Mallory and Mickey wannabes. No one knew who they were anymore, no one can recognize them anymore. All their friends, like friends from high school of hers were like, who the fuck are you? Like you were this outgoing like basketball star. Now you're like

ball star and now you're like pretending that you're Mallory. Now, Erica's newest interest is interesting to say the least. She started obsessively collecting Hooter's merchandise. What the fuck? Why? Why? Yeah, it was just her shit, man. Wait, there's only like four shirts, right? Well, I think they have like shot glasses and I don't know what else, I'm assuming. I'm just thinking of other restaurants. I thought they just had like that white tank top in the shorts and that was it. No, I think there's more.

I think there's a vast array of hooters merch out there. So now to get this stuff for her, the couples started breaking into Hooters all over and stealing it. Listen, I would steal the chicken wings. I heard that good. I heard that good. They were, again, they were 24 years old at this point. Because scrapbooking and stealing Hooters merch is incredibly tiring business. Erica and Ben decide in May 2002 that they need to take a little vacation, you know. So in May 2002, they headed to Ocean City, Maryland for Sun and Fun. And Miss Chiffon may have exactly on May 25th, the couple met another couple Joshua Ford and Martha Jeannie Crutchley.

They were on vacation from Fairfax, Virginia. Martha was an insurance exec. Joshua was a mortgage broker. They were this happy adorable couple. The two couples actually met when they were all getting on board a resort shuttle bus that would take them to several bars for the evening. Erick and Benjamin didn't have the correct change for the bus fare, so Joshua offered to pay

for both of them to get on the bus. They were total strangers, Joshua was just that good of a person. Oh no. Oh no, it was right. See, the prosecutor in the case was quoted as saying, quote, Joshua afforded offer to pay for their bus fee because they didn't have the right change. And they as saying quote, Joshua Ford offered a pay for their bus fee because they didn't have the right change. And they said quote, well, we'll buy you a drink at secrets

where we're all going. I think they got together sort of as two couples that met and hit it off, which how many times have you been on vacation or somewhere like out somewhere and you like meet, you know, you meet someone or if you're with like a significant other, you two meet another couple, you guys sit it off, you like hang out for a little while while you're out, like it happens all the time. Yeah, it's totally happened. Yeah, it's like a normal thing

and you don't think anything is going to come out of it. It's like the circle of life. Sure. I mean, yeah. It's early. It's like what? It It's, it's early. It's like, what? It's like, it's like how life works. It's how life works.

Exactly. There you go. I like that better. It is early guys. So, Eric, so Eric and Benjamin tell Joshua, well, buy you a drink because you're so kind and they all had to a bar called secrets that was spelled S E A CA-C-R-E-T-S. So like, C-E-Kritz, like Secrets by the C. I'm vomiting. I just thought that was funny.

This is not funny though, the next things. So they hit it off right away. They spend the entire night partying together, drinking, hanging out, you know, again, things that you do normally with people you meet on vacation, you're just hanging out the whole time. You think you've hit it off and made like a friend. That's all you haven't. In this case, you have not. Apparently, at one point, they were all having a super good time. Now the night starts coming to a close.

And as everyone's heading out, Erica and Benjamin asked Joshua and Martha, if they want to come have a nightcap at their rental condo, they're basically, and they have like a penthouse rental condo. So they're basically saying, you know, we have drinks back at the condo, we have weed at the condo, we have a hot tub at the condo.

Let's continue this partay. To which I would have said, hey, let's get it. I would have said, fuck no, I'm not going back to your condo. This is why I will die first. This is where we differ. Now apparently at one point, they're all having a good time sitting in the hot tub.

Erica suddenly gets out, goes into the condo, and then starts freaking out saying that her purse is missing, screaming about how Martha and Joshua had to be the ones to take it. Now they're still in the condo. So where the fuck would they have put this purse? That's what's create like, they did not think this through at all. No, because it's like, dude, they're still in your house. Like they didn't leave your house with your purse. Where would he just like shove it down his pants?

Like where did it go? It's at the bottom of the hot tub. Yeah, like that doesn't make any sense. So now Joshua and Martha are like, what the fuck? We definitely didn't steal your purse because where the fuck would we stash it? It's nowhere. Um, we're like, they're like, we're still in your fucking condo, you fucking psycho. But instead, I think they were probably nice to our about it. We're like, we really didn't steal your purse. Like, I don't know what

to tell you. Well, now Benjamin grabs his 357 Magnum and starts pointing it at Joshua and Martha and screaming at them that they stole his wife's purse, give it back. Like, I'm gonna kill you. Bop-bop-ba. Meanwhile, Erica called 911 screaming that they stole her purse, but then hung up before giving an address

or allowing the call to be traced for location, which is just a weird move. Yeah, that, this is like premeditated. Oh, for sure. This whole thing is premeditated. Now, Eric and Benjamin are psychotic at this point and waving a gun at them and threatening them for no fucking reason. So Joshua grabs Martha and they've run into the bathroom where they lock themselves in because they're fucking reason. So Joshua grabs Martha and they've run into the bathroom where they lock themselves in because they're fucking terrified. Oh no. According to True Crime Daily, Erica then leaned over the balcony so she could wash them cowering and terrified in the bathroom

through the window. Jesus Christ. Yes, she's fucked. She then waits and yells to Ben when she sees that one of them is in range to shoot at them from the door. So she's literally looking through the window, being like shoot like when one of them moves towards the door. Oh my God. Yeah. So she tells him shoot. He shoots Joshua straight through the head twice through the bathroom door. Boom. he drops dead. Oh my God. Poor Martha. Yes. So now Ben then kicks open the door. And Martha is cowering under the sink and begging for her life. This all escalated so quickly. It did. It's insane. This whole thing in all the people that worked this case were like, this is the most bonkers shit I have ever seen. That's, I mean, I wonder how much fucking coke they blew that night. That's what I'm wondering. This is definitely like Coke field.

Ben then shoots Joshua twice more in front of Martha. And then Erica repeatedly stabs Martha to death. Oh, yeah. So now to get rid of the bodies, they decide the best course of action is to dismember them completely. Yeah, best, best thing to do. That's always the best course of action, right? Using a huge knife, they saw the couple into pieces.

At one point, according to Erica, Ben held up Joshua and Martha's severed heads and asked her to take a picture of him smiling with them, but she refused. Um, yeah, no, not, not a good photo op. and asked her to take a picture of him smiling with them, but she refused. Yeah, no, not a good photo op. No, that is not a codec moment. That was funny. I'm funny. Together, they also discussed whether they should cook and eat one of them.

No, no, no. They decided against doing a dumber in this case, bringing it back is cannibalism the theme of the week. It is. At this week brought to you by cannibalism. Awesome. I'll add it to our sponsors at the end of our episode notes. For 15% off a human leg, you can use code morbid. Use promo code morbid. That's not funny. No, not funny at all. And they decided not to do that. So according to Erica, they did not eat any of the people.

They meticulously cleaned up the bathroom as best they could because that's where they dismembered the bodies in the bathtub. Then they put the parts into trash bags and off they went in the Jeep to Delaware with the bags in tow. They got to a landfill and threw the various body parts into a dumpster with a ton of trash. Root. Very rude. Don't eat the root. Don't throw things among my people. You can't spell trash without ash.

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Did you just hear how I said I was like, what? What? You looked like that, babe, of that guy going, that's how I feel. Yeah, obviously, go video golf after that. As one does. Right? So, over the next couple of days, they did vacation things. Like go out to eat, go to the beach,

take lots of happy photos. Erica, actually, and this is really terrible. Erica took Joshua's ring when they were dismembering the bodies and put it on a chain, which she wore around her neck for the remainder of the vacation. What happened in her childhood? Well, even worse, in one photo,

that you can see these vacation photos online, and I'll post them on the Instagram. In one photo, she's wearing the ring on her neck, like in the photo, smiling. And you're looking at it like that is a person that you murdered, ring. And everyone, all the investigators said when they, when that ring was recovered, it still had his dried blood on

it. Oh my God, that's, that's foul. So in the picture, you can see her smiling with Benjamin, and she's got a necklace on with a ring on it. That's Joshua's ring. And it's caked in his blood it, that's Joshua's ring, and it's caked in his blood. Sister. Like, that's beyond. They kept the knives they used to dismember them in their pockets, and when they were caught, they had them still with blood, skin, and hair on them. Fowl. So, they were walking around with these not cleaned just because they liked that they had

them. Like, these two people were were fucked. What happened? In the meantime, Erica also got another tattoo on her side in exactly the same spot where she first stabbed Martha. What was the tattoo? I'm actually not sure, but either way, fucked. They also got pragmatic about things. Ben bought and installed a new bathroom door in their condo because there was bullet holes in the old one. And they spotlessly cleaned the condo to eradicate any evidence. There's actually a photo of Ben in the Home Depot parking lot where they got the door and

he's happily holding the door over his head and smiling. What? Yeah, like that's just not okay. We don't need to celebrate new doors if the old door is because we killed somebody. That's what's, they are evil. Like these people are straight up evil. Like they can't even be, they ruin the case for themselves when they get caught. Cause it's like you can't pretend that you were, which Erica does spoiler alert later. She tries to pretend like, oh, I was this abused

woman. And then I was just go like fuck right off, Erica. You are in photos with Joshua's fucking ring bloody and around your fucking neck. You dumb bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now they're cleaned up as best they can. They've walked around for a couple of days with their victims rings around their neck, and now they want to do it again. Oh, no, did what? Oh, no, did what? So they meet a couple Melissa selling and Justin Wright.

They do the exact same thing. They befriend them, hang for the night at a bar, and then invite them back to the condo for a nightcap. Now, oh, wow, Erica's purses missing again. Benjamin brandishes a gun at them. And when things get insane, they let Justin and Melissa run out because Ben suddenly realized that their rental was up soon. And it didn't leave them time to clean up after another massacre.

That's the only reason they let them go. You realize that like during the time that you're massacring somebody or like about to? What I envision in my head is all this chaos happening and like guns and screaming and all that. And then he suddenly just like gays is over at the counter and sees that like check out time is at 10 a.m. And he's like, oh shit, this won't work. Like that's how I see it going down. I like that. He's like, oh, you know what? You know, but he got time for this. And he's like, oh, you know what? We got to wrap this up. We can't do this because we don't have time to clean. The jig, the jig is up. It is 100% up. So they let them go. Um, and the couple later testified

that before they ran out of there, Ben grabbed Melissa and brought her to the bathroom door, which would not be yet been replaced with the new one. He pointed at the bullet holes and said, quote, see that we had a couple in here just a few nights ago who tried to rip us off. I killed them. I shot them right through that door. Nifty. That's when you're like, oh, we be friends of the wrong people.

That's definitely when, like, we're not going to be lifelong vacation pals. I'm not going to send you a postcard from our next destination. No. Now, remember that Erica is a scrapbooker of the highest order. Remember, well, she kept a fucking scrapbook of the murder. Like literally put, like wrote things like how she felt, how it went down, pictures of the people,

like literally made a scrapbook in the rental condo. like literally made a scrapbook in the rental condo. She wrote that her and Benjamin were the modern-day Bonnie and Clyde criminal couple. And she had kept the bullets that they had taken out of the bodies, and she was like gluing them in. Yeah, nope. Yeah. Now, Joshua and Martha's friends, family and co-workers, are getting concerned at this point, because they didn't return from vacation. They didn't return to work, and that was very unlike them. No one could get a hold of them, so they were reported as missing persons. Flyers and pictures of them were distributed all over the area, but nothing was happening.

And actually, to this day, the people that worked on this case said, if this, what this next thing didn't happen, they may have never been caught. And they said that they think they would have kept going and become serial killers. What happened? Oh, it's, it's funny. So the Friday after Joshua and Martha were killed, their murderers did something so stupid and amazing that it will go down as the worst way to get caught next to BTK's floppy disc fuck up. I'm so excited.

So remember how Erica has an inexplicable obsession with Hooters merch? Yes. How? I was literally just going to say how could I forget? How could you forget? Well feeling like they just got away with a Mickey and Mallory style murder, Erica and Ben decide to stop break into a hooters and steal some sweet ass booby merch. So they stop at the hooters on 123rd street and set off a silent alarm like fucking idiots.

Cops arrive and probably joke the entire way there because who breaks into a fucking hooters to steal merchandise. Um, now this is where it gets good. Ericka starts having a fucking panic attack because being a raging sociopathic asshole is taxing on your psyche. I imagine I was gonna say do you know? I don't know for sure, but I'm just, you know, I'm just taking context schools, educated guests, just an educated guess. While having a moment, she asks one of the police officers

to go into her purse and get her anxiety medication. She's like, I have Xanax in there, I need it. Well, the dumb criminal award goes to Erica because while he's in there, he sees five spent shell casings. And oh, Joshua and Martha's fucking IDs. Bitch. Now these are two missing people

that the entire place is searching for actively. And he's like, oh, here's their IDs. Found them, got them. So now they search their car and find handcuffs, the magnum gun, two other guns, ski masks and gloves. So they're like, huh, this might be more than two dummy stealing boob shirts. I'd say so. I would say so. So now the police take them downtown and search their condo. They found Erica's fucking scrapbook documenting the entire crime and also found two bullets sitting

on the coffee table. The bullets also had Josh's blood on it. Blood is in the grout in the bathroom because they didn't do a good job cleaning up. Fucking grout will get you every time. And Josh's palm print was on the window. They also found blood in a dryer in the bathroom. Martha and Joshua's keys and photos. So now they're like, yeah, this is fishy. This adds up. Something went down here. So they arrested them immediately and they 100% immediately turn on each other. Cause true love.

Love. Just love. For Mickey and Mallory wannabes, they share belly flop when it came to the whole loyalty to Lee Dye thing. Yeah, I'd say so. So now Eric ends pretending that she was abused, forced into it, bend it at all, bends claiming he was abused, he was forced into it. Neither one of them were forced into it. They were probably abusing each other. They were both possessive assholes. They both

walked around with fucking shit from the murders, so neither one of them felt bad or was forced into it. So fuck both of you. I'm saying. In her interview, Erica says, quote, he made them strip at gunpoint and I was like, oh my God. I had no idea what was going on. He told me that Josh said, I was in the army and you were in the Navy. What are you doing? Why are you doing this?" And he looked them in the face and said, See you later, mother fucker. And he shot him in the head. Literally go fuck yourself. Like no. First of all, that's not how it happened because the bullet holes are in the door like they have forensics that shows this. And also Ben already admitted that they shot them through the door, but like good try, Erica.

And also I love how she's like, and he said, see you later, mother fucker. Like it's like, no, you are not in natural born killers. This is real life. Like you didn't do, no, that didn't happen. I think she's very confused. I think she needs to, she should have just become an actress. Like you want this theatrical life. Why didn't you just become an actress like you want this theatrical life

Why didn't you just become an actress and pretend that you're a killer her method acting would have got real weird That's very true at one point they were gonna give Erica plea deal to testify against Ben because she was Smiledly convincing in the beginning. No, but then as they spoke more to where the cops were like we No. But then as they spoke more to where the cops were like, we, it was pretty quick that we started being like, you definitely had a bigger part in this than you're saying. Yeah, like the scrapbook didn't fucking tell you that? Exactly. She said she would lead them to the bodies if she got a deal, and they agreed as long

as she passed a lie detector test. What do you think happened? She files up. She failed with flying colors and obviously we all know what we think of lie detector tests, but in this case, I'm gonna go with it. Uh, remember she was found with a knife used to dismember the victims on her person. The knife legit had blood and hair on it and it was in her fucking pocket when she was arrested and she was found with Joss's bloody ring around her neck. So they know she's not this abused little shrinking violet. She's fucking 100% evil fucking crazy broad. Yes, indeed. They discovered some of Josh and Martha's body parts in the landfill and the plea deal

was completely off at this point. They continued to say that they were innocent and that the other one did it. They were totally going against each other in their separate trials because true love. And Detective Brent Case, who worked on this case, said, quote, one of our intents from the beginning

was to be completely thorough. Never in my life, even now, did I feel more compelled to put somebody behind bars. These people were so evil, if they were to get out it would have been devastating. It was craziness, it was man's and crazy. Well, I'm saying. Now Benjamin was convicted of one count of first degree murder for the murder of Josh and was sentenced to 38 years. Erica was convicted of both murders and sentenced to life plus 20 years.

Perfect. So she not getting out anytime soon. What's crazy is that Ben divorced Erica seven years after they were put in prison. Like why the hell did they wait seven years when they literally were throwing each other to the wolves like the second they got caught? Maybe he just like didn't have time or like,

not like he had time. I was like, he has nothing but time. I felt like maybe like other like law proceedings were going on. Yeah, and maybe it just like didn't even occur to them that they could get divorced, maybe. Yeah, maybe you didn't, I didn't know that you could get divorced

while you were in jail. Yeah. Because people divorced each other from prison. So yeah, that's what happened. Benjamin is eligible for parole in 2021. No, thank you. No, do not let that fuck her out guys. In Erica is eligible in 2024, but I don't see they're one of them getting out. I mean, this was all premeditated. They're both dicks. That was a whirlwind. I mean, this guy has a swastika tattoo like,

That was a whirlwind. I mean, this guy has a swastika tattoo, like, I don't think he makes good choices. No. So, yeah, so hopefully they never get out and poor Joshua and Martha just on vacation trying to make new vacation friends. And they were so nice. They were just like, let me pay for this

and like, let's have a great vacay. Exactly. It's like, this is why I've said it before and I'll say it again, guys, don't help anyone. Don't make friends. Just don't do it. That's, I mean, that's what, we started this with the Ted Bundy episode, just never help anyone.

If someone's like, can you help me with this? Be like, no, because you're gonna murder me. And then they'll be like, no, I'm not. And you'll be like, that John T. Tone says otherwise, sir. Or they'll be very confused and frightened of you. And they won't ask you again. So then you get out of it either way. True.

Because they'll be like, why would you even say that? That's weird. I'm saying. So yeah, that's the story of Erica and Benjamin Sifrit. And look, that was a real mini morbid kind of. It wasn't a Nash mini, but... So yeah, so we hope you liked this mini. We will see some of you at our live show on Tuesday.

In a couple of days, we're really excited for that. What, what, get ready. And we also have some exciting news this week. So stay tuned. And I'm going to tell you to maybe check out our social media on Monday, November. What is that? 18th, right?

It's on Monday, November 18th, because maybe something fun is going to be announced. I don't know. I Know nothing. We don't have anything, but yeah So if you want to stay tuned for that, it will definitely be hitting the Instagram I heard from a little birdie And you can go to our Instagram at at morbid podcast I'm sure we'll also put it on Twitter if the bird says so at a morbid podcast We probably won't email you about it, but you can email us about it. The morbid podcast at gmail.com.

Talk about the exciting news that might be happening in the Facebook group, which is an amazing place. And I love you guys. morbid colon is your crime podcast. I don't think we'll announce it on our website, but there is merch there now. We will announce it on our website at morbidpodcast.com. Alaina runs that shit. I think that's all we have.

Yeah. We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. But that's a weird that you meet this man's and he's like, Hey, I'm an EVC on the news like I actually never mind. I'm not an EVC on she's like, well, I'm a basketball star. I actually never mind. I'm a scrapbooker now and let's go commit some fucking murder on vacation, and then it's gonna get so gnarly and crazy and scary,

and weird, and then I'm gonna scrapbook about it, and don't keep it so weird that you scrapbook about it, because that's just fun, that's fine. Yeah, don't do that. Let's fall apart. Bye! Thank you. Yn gweithio'r ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yio'r ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, ymwch, y Now the worst part about this whole thing, well, there's many bad parts about this thing, but one of the things that really like haunts everybody is there's no real motive that was given for this. That's like they just wanted to do it because they thought it was a cool thing

to do. That's literally it. Like obviously there's no good reason for murder, good validation, but they didn't give a motive and people are just like this was just a thrill kill, which is, I mean, it's pretty obvious by the scrapbook, and by them walking around with the victims, like, with the things they used to dismember them, with the ring on the string. I mean, they literally walked around with pieces of the victims on them. So this was a 100% just thrill kill for the hell of it. This is them watching fucking natural born killers being fucked up wanting to be those two people So fucking crazy that people will do these things for no other reason just for the thrill of it

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