Morbid - Episode 106: The Mysterious Murder of Jessica Chambers

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

This case is one that haunted me since I heard it in 2014. Jessica Chambers was a 19 year old, well liked girl from Courtland, Mississippi. When she was found with 98% of her body covered in burns, the mystery of her murder began. Today, her family and loved ones are still searching for some of the most important answers. Above all, who lit Jessica Chamber on fire? And why? https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/who-set-jessica-chambers-on-fire-the-internet-is-trying-to-f Check out our sponsors for this episode! Embr Wave Our Morbid listeners will get $30 off if they go to the embrwave.com/morbid that’s E-M-B-R-W-A-V-E.com / morbid Care/of For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com and enter promo code MORBID HelloFresh Get 9 free meals with HelloFresh by going to HelloFresh.com/MORBID9 and using code MORBID9 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I think we're about to dive in. Hell yeah. So on tonight's episode, we are going to discuss a case that was actually sent to us. So this is a case I've always wanted to cover, but I kind of forgot about it until a listener named Paige emailed us and said, I think you guys should cover this. It's from my hometown. It's crazy. Everyone here is still all up in arms about it. She really wanted us to cover it and I was like, shit, I've always wanted to cover that one.

This is the case of 19-year-old Jessica Chambers. So in 2014, in Cortland, Mississippi, which is a very small community of only like 500 people, something absolutely mind-boggling happened to this poor girl. Like, wait until we get into it. Fair warning, this is a really brutal case. So I just want to let everybody know that. I got a ton of stuff from different articles about this case on the internet. You can go, you know, Washington Post, all kinds of places. Buzzfeed did a really great article on this case. I also watched an episode of investigation discovery, which was

called Burn the Live about this case, which is giving you a little hint about what's to come. I'm scared. You should be. And it said that this community was one of literally, like this community is one of the most like loving, caring, tight-knit communities. It's like one of those places where everyone knows everyone, but in like a good way. Like you just feel safe. It's just, it's like the true definition of community. Not so sad. I know. So 19-year-old Jessica Chambers, her parents were Ben and Lisa Chambers. They divorced when she was a little younger, but they still maintained a good relationship to this day. And they actually ended up living like a couple of doors down from each other on the same street. Like they were still just right there. Things were like really copacetic. They really were. And the sheriff in this investigation discovery episode that I watched said that Jessica

herself had a ton of charm. He knew her like her again because everybody knew each other. So he was like I knew her her whole life growing up like as a little girl, everything. She was a super charming little girl, very smart, super energetic, and she, and everybody liked her. She was super popular in high school. Like this was one of those like, everybody liked her. She literally like, everyone liked her.

Popular in high school, she was a cheerleader. She wanted to go to nursing school after graduating high school, and she was like, on her way to do that. So she was a cheerleader. She wanted to go to nursing school after graduating high school, and she was like on her way to do that. So she was smart, caring. I mean, to want to become a nurse, you have to be a special human being. I fully believe that. A hundred percent. I could never do it. It is, I mean, I think we've all been like in a situation where we've had to deal with nurses, and it's like every time you deal with a nurse, especially like one of the great nurses, you're always like, holy shit. Like thank God people want to be nurses because I could not do that job. No, taking care of people is very hard, especially sometimes you get like tough

patients. Oh yeah. And like I just think of when I gave birth to the girls, the nurses that would come in, I was like, I want to like just take you home with me. You're amazing. So thank you, nurses out there. You're amazing. Shout out to Alma nurses. So yeah, so Jessica wanted to be a nurse. But on Saturday, December 6, 2014, at 8 p.m. that dream came to a crashing halt. That's like fairly recent.

It really was. This is a pretty recent case. I remember reading about this when it first happened and it blew my mind how awful it is. That's, I can't believe how recent that is. I think I'm thinking of a different case. Yeah, you might be. So on December 6, 2014 at 8 p.m., two men were driving down a dark, like pretty quiet road called Heron Road. That was in Courtland, Mississippi. They come across a car on the side of the road that is completely engulfed in flames.

It's never a good sign. No, that's never a good sign. So they immediately called 911 because they were smart. And firefighter showed up and they thought it was odd because no one was around the car and no one was in the car. It was super dark and just not a very heavy traveled road. So they were like, what the hell happened here? It's not like a crashed into another car and burst into flames like what is happening.

I never want to come across a scene like that ever. No, I don't either. So then they look up as they're starting to kind of take over the scene and get this under control. then they look up as they're starting to kind of take over the scene and get this under control, they look up and watch as someone walks out of the fucking woods out of the darkness. Wait, are you shitting me? I am not shitting you. They described this figure as appearing, they said it looks like a monster, walked out of the woods. I just got like full bodges. Yeah. Now suddenly they realize that this is not a monster walking out of the woods.

It's a human. It's a young girl. Wait, what? Yeah. And because she's covered, is it the girl that was burnt? Yes. Oh my god. Yeah. Yes, it's a young girl. She was, um, only dressed in underwear and her flesh had been burned to the point of, like, melting. I'm so fucked up right now. Yeah. She was in shock, barely breathing, but she just, and just like clearly in the worst pain imaginable, but in completely, complete shock. So she was just dazed walking out of the woods. Uh, this is really fucked up already.

Oh, yeah. Now the EMT is kept and when she walked out She kept just saying somebody help me help me like she was just saying it like like a zombie almost just like help me Because she's probably she's so in shock. She can't even like yell. Yeah, it's I can't even like because you think about it Think about burning your your finger on like a pan or something like that I am such a little like whoosh with that. As soon as that happens, I'm like, ah, and it's the days you're in excruciating pain. It hurts more than anything. Imagine that all over your body.

No, a girl I work with recently picked up a curling iron that she thought was not hot anymore, and it literally stuck to her hand. She was out of work for days. Just from picking up a curling iron. imagine your whole fucking body. No. No. I don't want to think about that. So the EMTs kept asking her who are you, you know, what's what happened here. She could barely speak. Finally, they heard her whisper Jessica and they all realized this was Jessica Chambers because remember everyone knows everyone in this town. So these EMTs were like, we recognized it.

When she said it, we were like, this is fucking Jessica Chambers. Can you imagine, like, you know the, like, I don't know, it just like makes it different on a whole level. Like, you're like, holy shit, this is that girl that I know and I have known forever. Exactly. Like, they've watched this girl grow up and now they're looking at her and they thought she was a fucking monster walking

Now So now the focus became determining what the hell happened here. Yeah, like what so she didn't come out of the car on fire She came out of the woods on fire exactly And she came out of the woods wearing only underwear. No top, no bra, no nothing. Just walking out of the woods and underwear completely burned. Jesus Christ. Exactly. So now they're trying to figure out what happened here. And she said, quote, they all said that she said, quote, he set me on fire. Oh, okay. And they were like, of course, they were like, who? Who set you on fire? And she kept saying he set me on fire. He did it. And they were like, who did it? Now, they all say that they heard either Derek or Eric. They heard her say one of those things.

So Eric or Derek did this to me. Exactly. So now that's going, that's a huge thing in this case. And it's both helped and it's mostly hurt this case, to be honest, because she didn't have, I mean, her lips were basically burned off. Her tongue was synched. I mean, she was, you can't talk correctly in that situation. If you think about it, like, if you hold your tongue and then try to say words, they don't come out the way they should. So a lot of people are thinking, yeah, like it's great that she said that, but maybe she didn't say Derek or Eric. Maybe she said a name totally different that just came out that way because of all the injuries to her mouth. And later that kind of hurt the case.

Not really sucks, but they, all the people that were there, there like no, that's what she said. Yeah, almost all of them said they thought they heard Derek or Eric. And then a couple of them are like, I don't know, I don't know, like she, you could barely hear her. They kept saying like, we can't be positive, you could bear, she did say a name. We just can't be sure what that was. It's so frustrating when things like that happen. And what a bad bitch to end her last, you know, to be like, let me get out who did this to me, like, good for her.

Yeah, you're like avenging your own death. Exactly. So Cole Haley was one of the first responders and he said he was, he and all of them, but he said specifically he was legitimately traumatized by her appearance. Like, he had like PTSD from looking at her. I don't know how you couldn't.

I can't even fabiment. At the guy who later would be put on trial for this, which we will talk about later, his name is Quentin. He legit this coal haley, the first responder, legit cried on the stand and testified, quote, she had her arms out saying, help me, help me. Her hair was fried like it had been stuck in a light socket. Her face was black and her body was severely burned.

He said that when he saw her come out of the woods and only her underwear, his first instinct was just to put a blanket on her and he said, quote, to cover her up. Because he was like, she came out there. She's only wearing underwear. She's sitting there saying, help me. She's this little girl that I know. Like she's only 19. I've seen her grow up.

I can't let her walk out here completely exposed. So I have to put a blanket on her, which I was like, oh my God, like that, that kind of instinct to just like preserve her dignity in that moment. I was like, you know what, could I nu-co- like that's why there are people on the surface like that. Like that's what a first responder is. Like he should be a first responder because like to be that kind of person to think that is like you should be an EMT. Fucking snaps for coal. Snaps coal. Now it's worth noting that during the trial later, Cole Haley said, quote, she kept asking

for water. I did not personally hear her say, Eric. Okay. So, he's one of the ones who said, I definitely heard her, because they all said we could hear her saying what sounded like water or thirsty. And then some of them would say, I heard her say, Eric, the other ones would say, I don't know, I didn't hear that. So that's like a big thing here. So she was airlifted to regional

one health hospital in nearby Memphis. She had deep thermal burns, and by the way, this is the third time that I've had to say this because I keep saying deep thermal bones, and I don't know why. It's the urr, urr, burr. It's true. It's hard to say, deep, thermal burns is what she had. Yes. Nailed it. Deep, thermal burns are when, I mean, you can't, it's hard to come back from that, basically, is what it means.

A flammable liquid had been poured down her throat. What the fuck? Yes, that's one of the things, and it was also put up her nose and all over her body. Jesus Christ, I feel like, okay, I'm already like fucking investigating. I'm like two people, I feel like two people are involved. Really?

I mean, I'm sick. One person could do it by like holding her down, but that's quite a fucking fight to like hold somebody down and shove something in their mouth and then run away and then light them on fire with something. That is very true. And you might change your mind later when you hear what the theory is on what happened because it makes a lot of sense that it's one person. Well, like 10 out of 10 times I'm wrong, so yeah, that probably will happen. But then again, this case is still not completely solved. It's slightly... Everybody's gonna have to make their own decision at the end. So it technically could be more than one person and it does make sense. That is another theory that

could make absolute sense. So yeah, so she had the flammable liquid down her throat, which that part of this, I remember hearing it in the original news report when it happened in 2014. That right there was like, what the actual fuck? Like, who does that? Who hates someone enough to do that? And that's just like sadistic in its own way. Oh, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable that someone could do that. And up her nose all over her body, she was burned over 98% of her body according to the corner. Oh my God. So she would have had to have an entirely skin grafts.

Oh, she just wasn't coming out of that. That's so sad. Yeah, that's just what she had was the deep thermal burns that were 98% of her body. you just aren't coming back from that. So did she die because of like all the pain from that or how does that work? Her body just shut down. Her body probably was immediately shutting down. Even as she was walking out of the woods, her body was starting to just because it's just too much. It's too much in the amount of infection that would happen there, that you'd be like susceptible to. It's just way too much.

And honestly, unfortunately, obviously this never should have happened. But when you look at the injuries, you're like, you know what, it was a blessing that she didn't have to suffer through dealing with the rest. I mean, she suffered, suffered. But I'm really glad she didn't have to suffer for very long. And you'll find out later it happened pretty quick. Thank goodness, because if she had to live days and days in this kind of excruciating pain, I can't even fathom. Like I'm so glad she didn't have to. I can't imagine ever having like you said, you burn your hand on a fucking pan

and you're like, oh, this sucks about I literally can't imagine. It's true. It's crazy. So the police let her father and stepmother Debbie know. Debbie literally ran down the street when she found out to Lisa's home, which is her mother. So Debbie, the stepmother ran to the mother's house and screamed, someone set Jessica on fire. And her mother was like, in the thing I watched, her mother was like, wait a second, I just talked to her on the phone a little like an hour ago. Like, what do you mean someone set her on fire? She wasn't with anyone. Like that she was like, what the second, I just talked to her on the phone a little like an hour ago. Like what do you mean someone's set her on fire? She wasn't with anyone.

Like that she was like, what the hell is going on? Well, like what the fuck? Like, how they set her on fire? Like can you imagine hearing that sentence about your child? And that's the thing, it's like it's your child. So they all went to the hospital together and were informed that there was nothing they could do anymore.

They were like, we're just gonna try to make her as comfortable as we possibly can and then and just let her pass away, basically. Her mother said she went into the room. She told her that she and her father were there. She was like, I wanted her to know your mom and dad are here. And then she told her if she was in too much pain, I'm totally about to cry. This is like the first time I'm about to cry, because this is like her mother, this is her baby. I just, she said, if you are in too much pain,

it's okay for you to let go. That was heavy, right? Like we both just, we both just like, did each other took like the deepest breath in. Like we're both like, oh. And it gets even more deep. She said it's okay to let go and then she said I will get you justice. Yes mama. Yes like it's just and that's when she took her last breath at 2.37 am. This is like a really fucking sad movie. It is. In its legit, like the doctors all said it,

her mother held her hand, said that to her, and she let go. Because she probably just wanted to know that her mom was there and that it was okay. Exactly. Like you just need to hear your mom say it's okay to do it. Like, oh, I can't even go too far into that because I can feel the ball in my throat, like about to cry. Her mother in this episode, it destroyed me. I mean, destroyed because she says, and I think I mentioned it later, that like she, she doesn't even like to close her eyes because she just pictures it. Like, oh, it just, oh. Now

that same afternoon that she passed away, a man was walking down a road about an eighth of a mile away from the scene of the burned car. And he found Jessica's car keys on the ground. Okay. The keys were sent out for DNA. Because it's weird. Why are the keys an eighth of a mile away? Like what? Why? She didn't get out of the car and like throw the keys. Like that doesn't make any sense. So the keys to the car that was set on fire. Yes, her car keys. I couldn't remember if it was her car. That got sent on fire. That was really stupid. No it was. It was her car that got sent on fire. So the keys are sent out for DNA. Now they have her phone because her phone was found under the driver's side door. So they said either someone tried

to take it out or it fell out because it was right under the door on the ground. They requested and received a search warrant for her phone, but only got one for the last 24 hours before her death. That's how fucking crazy it is to get phone warrants. I know it's funny because we just have this conversation recently and I just think it's fucked up. It is, especially it's like, this woman was murdered. It is very clear that she was she stated that she was murdered before she died. Why would you not be able to what more do you need to get all of her phone records? It's like she would want your phone you to get her phone records. It's like I say something near my phone and I get an Instagram ad So if I die, I'd like you to throw out an Instagram ad to whatever I died from. Exactly.

It's like, come on, guys. So they got the last 24 hours before her death. In that morning, she had texted with her friend Keisha, first thing in the morning. Keisha said she picked her up at around 10.30 a.m. and that she had Quentin Telis in the car with her. Telis didn't have a history of violence, but had some run-ins with the law, you know, a banely drugs. I think he had like a burglary thing on him. He said they, I say that like it's nobody. I'm like, you know, he just said this like fucking burglary thing. You just stole

shit from someone's house. No big deal. I was just thinking that you're like, you know, burglary. Like, it's chill as fuck. All the burglar ring, you know burglar is everywhere but I feel like that's just always on everyone's rap sheet when they have a rap sheet burglar is always on there somewhere so I'm like yeah yeah burglar like everyone else you gotta stop saying burglarie burglarie it lost all meaning he said they drove around for the three of them drove around for an hour and then they dropped him off at his home which was across from the Eminem store. Now it's not the Eminem store like the Eminem candy. It's just like a convenience store slash

gas station that's like the place to go in Courtland, Mississippi. It's like everyone goes there. You know, it's like the local hangout. You thought Eminem candy. I thought Eminem Marshall Mathers, it's fine, everything's cool. Wow. You thought there was a slimshady store? No, I didn't, but Eminem to me means that and like it just in my mind. I knew there wasn't a store But you said Eminem and I was like, oh, back I check a chick a slimshady. That's what you thought. Yes, I was like what the real slimshady Please stand up. Wow. All right, so it's neither of those. It's not the candy. That's what you thought. Yes, I was like, what the real Slim Shady, please stand up. Wow. Alright, so it's neither of those. It's not the candy. It's not the wrapper. It's just a local hangout. They got his cell phone records, Quentin Tellus, and they went to the store. They got the cameras. There were cameras outside of the store, and they were pointed towards his

house, because he was like diagonal across from there. They looked, they were able to look at the camera records and they confirmed that he went there for something to eat that morning and that his story of being dropped off at his home at the time he said was correct. It checked out. The cameras also got Jessica on film coming to the store a few times that day because everybody did. That's not weird. Like everyone hung out there, you got all your snacks there. It was like, you drove around at night,

like any kid teenager does and you stop and get gas, you stopping at snacks, you meet people there, all that good stuff. You just stop at Wendy's and get a foe foe. Exactly. Jessica then went home at around 12.30 in the afternoon and took a nap in a chair in the living room according to her mother. Now around 4.45 or 5.15 somewhere around there. She got a phone call that woke her up from her nap, which I was like, damn Jessica, that's a

nap. That is a nap. That's a real nap. She got woken up. I don't know if you guys can hear. All of these sirens just flew by my house and they're like, whoop whoop whoop. So we're bringing you realness here. I love when they don't you like the Wii U Wii I like when it's like the wop wop wop wop wop wop wop wop it just makes me think of our stay out of the woods. Yes when you thought it was the coyote cop. You thought it was a coyote that just walks through the woods going wop wop wop whoa, I think I was like, I don't know, you were slurping on some

Captain Crunch Slurpee, so you were feeling it. Never again. Never forget. So back to the solemn shit, because people get mad at us. So she left, after she got the phone call that woke her up around 445 to 515, she left saying that she was going to get something to eat, she was going to clean out her car, and then she would be home later.

So her mom was like, cool. Now, she's on camera at the gas station at around 524 pm. So everything is checking out. Now, using cell tower records, they saw that she then went to Batesville and got there around 6 p.m. So that's a nearby town. Then she went back to Cortland around 6.30. So she went to Batesville at 6, came back around 6.30.

No one knew what she did there. Is there like a car cleaning place there? No, not that they could find or have her recorded out. I do the random shit. If I ever disappeared, they'd be like, first she was here, and then she went there, and then she was just like over here. It's true. They would never be able to find you.

They'd be like, I don't know, man. So at 648, she called her mother. Her mom said she was quiet, and there was no background noise. And she said, this was weird because normally, when she calls me, there's a lot of music in the background and noise Especially if she's in the car there's always music It's always like a high energy situation and she said I don't know something seemed off. Yeah Now at 7.30 p.m

She left courtland and drove to where she was found set ablaze on Herron Road at 7.35 p.m Now there's no more activity or signals from the cell phone, nothing like, or GPS or anything, after 8.04 pm. And in the ID discovery episode burned alive, the investigators said they believed that is when the heat became so great that it broke her phone. That's why the signal stopped. That's because the heat was so crazy. Make sense. At 8.10 pm, the fire was called into 911. Now, there was, when they looked through her cell phone records, there were no erics or darricks in her calls or text or any communications. They called in every Eric and Derek around the area and further out in like the

surrounding counties, and they were like, we got to talk to all of them. Over 100 erics and darricks were interviewed. Can you imagine being named Erickard Erickard at this point around here? No, but that's crazy. And I love that they did that. Yeah, they were thorough. They checked their cell phone records

and no one was near her on that day at all. None of the erics are Derrick's. Finally, they got a better search warrant for her phone records and they were able to read her text messages now. So before they can only see that she had sent texts, now they could read the actual messages. Okay, that's good. So much better.

So they found one text that was received by her phone mere minutes before 911 calls. It was from Quentin Tellus, and it said, it said, something along the lines of, can't hang tonight, Bay, friend coming over, sweet dreams. It was like a nice message just saying, we can't hang out tonight.

I have, you know, someone's coming over it. And then she ended it sweet dream. So it was like a nice communication. Okay. So Tellus never revealed to police that they had made plans that night when she, that she died. When they had interviewed, you know, Keisha and tell us because they were in the car with

her that morning, he just said they dropped me off. That was it. He never mentioned that they had plans that night and that she wasn't able to make them because she was murdered. Shady business. Shady business. They re-interviewed him and they asked him what their relationship was and he said, well, we did sleep together once in her car.

Okay, and then you just called her Bay from that point on? Yeah, and it's like you failed to mention that when we, you know, there's a murdered human being. You might want to say you had a bigger connection to them. Also, there's a murdered human being that you slept with, like maybe you make it sound a little more important than that. Yeah, like whoops. Um, so now they're like, what the fuck did you do after Jessica dropped you off? Because they were like, now we want to know what your movements are. So he said he hung out with friends that day. And then at night he went to his sister's house, borrowed her truck to drive where to Batesville.

What were you both doing in Batesville around the same time? Hmm. He said he went to Fred's dollar store in Batesville to buy a green dot card, which I didn't know what that was, but apparently it's like a debit card, like a prepaid debit card kind of thing. He was buying that because he said his girlfriend lives in Monroe, Louisiana, and she didn't have money to come visit, so he was getting a green dot card to get her there, like to get her like a train ticket there. Or you knew that you were going to kill somebody and you got it so that you could go on the run with no tracking available. That's genius. Thank you. I mean you, not him, by the way. I knew that. Just, just clarify that. I didn't want anybody being like, you asshole. You're just called him a genius. No, ashes of genius, not him. I'm like getting better at guessing things. I feel you are.

You're getting there. I appreciate it. Thank you. Impressive. He then went back to his sisters to bring her the truck back. Then he went to the M&M story again. And then he went home and waited for his girlfriend. So that's his story. His girlfriend who didn't have money to come visit him. Not sure what that's about. That's just what he said. So Tellus was on camera at Fred's dollar store at 15 p.m., which was 15 minutes after the fire was called into 911. Okay.

He was also on camera at the M&M store, so his alibi was checking out completely. What he was saying was lining up. Okay. Which is crazy. But the investigators asked to look around his place. When they did that, they found a shed containing a dirt bike and big things of gasoline.

Okay. Now that, you know, it was weird to them because they were like, yeah, you have a lot of gasoline, but your your dirt bike needs gasoline. So that makes sense. But it's still a little like we have to keep that in mind, but that's not something we can like totally jump off of right now. Right, right, right. Now they then asked Tellus if he knew any Eric or Derek, and he was like, anyone that could possibly do this. He said, huh. Oh yeah, there's a guy named Derek Holmes that Jessica actually had issues with.

Okay. Now, Tellus said that Jessica told him that this guy, Derek, was stalking her. He lived like five miles from her house and he was a fucking sex offender. Oh Perfect. Yeah, that's that's that checks out. So they interviewed Derek and he says he was home the whole night of the murder and What was he doing? Just watching television and that's it. Oh, no He wasn't just watching television. He was also massaging his diabetic mom's feet

We don't need to be that specific, Derek, Eric. And you know what? It checked out. Mama was like he was rubbing those feats. It's terrible. I'm sorry, don't make your kids rub your feet. It's fucking weird. But it was, so three days of interviewing him and everyone he knew, including mom, he

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narrowing ourselves way too much here. I'm putting ourselves in a corner. Yeah, you don't want to put all your eggs in the Eric and Derek basket. So doctors actually said she couldn't speak at all, like barely. They're like, she was getting words out, but there's no fucking way you were going to tell what she was saying. And they said it definitely could have been something else completely. But by now, and by now there were billboards, there were missing persons, posters.

I mean, it was all over the national news. This was going everywhere, this case. So they were like, we need to broaden this out, not save the Derek and Erick thing so much. Now, internet sleuths sometimes do benefit cases in this one they did not. Oh no, I got really excited. No, unfortunately, they took over in kind of a bad way. Suddenly, suddenly it became known that she was dating a man named Travis Sandford. He was in prison during the murder for Berglory. See? See? Everyone has Berglory. Everybody's Berglorassen. Everybody. They started... I think he was Berglorazin. That's terrible. They started considering that this was a gang

murder ordered by him from prison. I doubt that. Yeah, and people were like, that's it, that's what's happening. And mainly it's like, oh, these are black guys. So it must be a gang murder. So it was a total, it was racist bullshit because it was like, this is a white girl. She's dating and hanging around black guys. Of course, it must be gang related or it must have something to do with these black guys.

That's what this all became. Yeah, that's really shitty that people had to fucking assume that. Yeah, it became a bunch of racist bullshit. Now, her mother said she was on the phone with him with Travis, her boyfriend that's in prison. She was on the phone with him Friday, Jessica was the day before the murder. Now a theory started online that maybe Travis thought she was cheating on him and that he ordered this hit because he was mad.

Okay, also he's just, I mean, burglar is a big deal, but he's just in there for burglary, not orchestrating insane fucking crimes. Exactly, it's like, really can we stop putting this on people just generalizing? And now they interview Travis and they notice that he was an absolute fucking mess about this murder. They were like, he was very genuinely just destroyed by her murder because that was his bay. Exactly.

They found no evidence linking him to this. None. And in March of this year, this is actually said, in March of this year, Travis was actually shot and killed with a buckshot from a shotgun in Portland. Oh my God, on accident, it was in a home. Nobody knows what really happened, but he was murdered himself this March, actually. Geez Louise, I know it's really sad. Now around August 2015, they were like eight months past this case and it was getting colder and colder. So they decided to go back over

the phone records because that seemed like it was going to be the place where they were going to get that information. So they called in Paul Roulette, who is an expert at extracting information from digital data. He's basically like an internet detective, like he's a digital data detective, that's his job. Yeah, me too. Same. He took weeks and weeks and gathered all the GPS information from everyone questioned

in this case, and he took this GPS information and he compared it against Jessica's GPS locations, all of it from all the people. He was like, we're gonna get everyone's movements and we're gonna line it it against Jessica's GPS locations, all of it from all the people. He was like, we're gonna get everyone's movements and we're gonna line it up with Jessica's and we're gonna get who this person is. It's always mind blowing to me that people have a brain, and I can fucking do that.

I know that takes like a special show to brain. So in October shit went down. The GPS data showed that Tellus, Quentin Tellus, was in Batesville at the exact time that Jessica went there from Corland. I knew it. knew it. They were also on the same road and left at the exact same time. Yeah, they were together. For sure, which means Quentin was lying. Now, he had said they didn't see each other after she dropped him off that morning. So he's lying. They went to his home to interview him again when they found this out, but he was in prison.

For burglary? No. He was in prison in Monroe, Louisiana, where his girlfriend was from. He had been arrested three months before this because he withdrew $2,000 from a student named Ming-Chin-Sao's bank account. She was an overseas student but was attending the University of Louisiana. Basically, he stole and used her debit card. That's bad enough. So almost burglary. Almost but much worse, because she gets darker. His other charge is for her murder. Ming's murder? Ming's murder. Okay. Yes. Ming was found stabbed 34 times. Holy shit. And tortured to death in a state of severe decomposition at her apartment on the day that Quentin T tell us got married in Monroe, Louisiana to that girlfriend.

So her body was discovered on the day that he was getting married. Sure was. This whole time I'm picturing Quentin as like this poor kid that just like got implicated in this and he's like, oh, you know, this sucks. And I'm I saw Jessica and I don't want to say anything. But now he's fucking out here murdering and stealing and marrying, you know, stealing and marrying, you know, murdering, stealing and marrying, it's not a good combo.

Well, he, again, he was only charged of this at the time, but it is kind of coincidental that one person is being charged with multiple mergers. That, I'm sorry, that's just like, you had to have killed at least one person, if you're getting, I don't know. You're like odds are you killed one of them, you know? Odds are. So that was on August 8th of the day that he got married.

The day that Ming was found, that was a really bad day. So he played guilty to using her debit card. So you have her debit card. When you have a dead woman's debit card, I don't care what the outcome is, it's that looks bad no matter what. 100%. Absolutely. So he was seen on Walmart camera with her with Ming and witnesses saw him at her apartment on July 27th or July 28th when she died. And there were also matching receipts from his apartment to one of the charges on her debit card.

So it matched up, he definitely was the one using it. Right. Now, a man's name, Eric, said that Tellus told him he sliced and stabbed Ming until she told him what her debit card pin was. Basically tortured her into telling him what her debit card pin was. Basically tortured her into telling him what her debit card pin was. What the fuck? No, I don't know if anybody noticed, but the guy who told the police this was named Eric.

But as coincidental as that sounds, he didn't have anything to do with it. It looks like. I hate when you got me all riled up and then you're like, and they didn't do it. I know, I love doing that. Now they interviewed Quentin Tellus again, and he told the same story he had been telling.

Then Paul, the data guy was like, okay, well, that's nice. But there's a problem. See, from 5.30 p.m. when Jessica left the store, the M&M store, both of your phones are right next to each other. So they could have been like in the same car. Exactly, like they were traveling together. Of course, this could mean two different cars, but either way, they were right next to each other. Yeah, I don't care if you're next to each other on the highway, next to each

other on the car, you're fucking with each other. Exactly. Now, Quentin Tellus is literally like, oh shit, I forgot I did see her. Oh, I forgot that I saw that girl that got murdered two minutes after I saw her. And he's like, I love that he's like, I've that I saw that girl that got murdered two minutes after I saw her. And he's like, I love that he's like, I've told the story about a hundred times and I've told the same story, but oops, I forgot. Yeah, I definitely saw her. So he said, we met in the Taco Bell parking lot. And he said he initially forgot this, which you could buy if they were interviewing him

like years later about this. Like, he'd be like, oh shit, you know, small details can be forgotten. I don't think you can forget that you actually did see the person before they were murdered. I don't buy that, but I'm willing to play devil's advocate on that. I remember every interaction I've had in the talk about parking lot, so exactly. But the thing about this was they had interviewed him first two days after she died and she didn't mention this. You don't forget in two days. No, you definitely don't.

Now like one year later, he remembers what she ordered at Taco Bell one year later. Now he's like, oh yeah, I remember. She did this and this. But he said he got, he was in the car. He did go to Taco Bell with her. I remember what she ordered. But then he said he got a the car. He did go to Taco Bell with her. I remember what she ordered, but then he said he got a ride home from Big Mike. There always seems to be a big mic in these cases.

I fucking love Big Mike. Big Mike. So now they have to go interview Big Mike to check out his alibi. And they're like, what'd you got to Taco Bell? Well, Big Mike said that that Saturday night, that they're talking about the night that Jessica was murdered.

He said, I had tickets to see the Titans and the Giants play in Nashville. And he's like, I know this. And they were like, did you go to the game? And he said, yep, I went to the game. They went, they confirmed that he was at that game. Tell us was fucking lying again. So he didn't get it right home from Big Mike. Big Mike was at the fucking giant Nashville game.

Giant's Nashville game. He was and they confirmed that. So Big Mike's like, oh, no, I did not give him or I was at this game. Dude, how happy was he that he was at that game when he was there and then like a year later? Right? He was probably like, yep, bye.

Now, on January 27th, 2016, they interviewed Quentin Tellus again. And they're like, hey, you're a lying sack of shit. He was like, oh yeah, you're right. Jessica picked me up, and then we went to Batesville together. I'd be like, Quentin, I'm getting really frustrated. We're going to put you in time out until you can tell us what really fucking happened.

You do, Shlord. Do we need to plug you in? Do you need to charge for a little bit? You seem broken. Tell us what really fucking happened. You do share. So then he said that they went to his house and they sat in his driveway. So all of a sudden this is becoming much more involved. He's like, oh, you know what, you're right. I spent multiple hours with her that day. So they sat in her in his driveway. They talked, they listened to music and he said she left at 7 p.m.

Now this doesn't link up. She left at 7.30. The investigators confronted him with that because they were like, no, we know that she didn't leave because we can see her on the camera. Now they confronted him with this and he was like, they were like, so she leaves your presence and had no contact with anyone else. And then 30 minutes later, she's burned alive, a couple of minutes miles away from your house. So she leaves you, drives literally a couple miles, and within 30 minutes, someone fucking came in contact with her and burned her alive. Does that make sense to you?

Makes no sense to me. No. And it's also noted on camera. So like, so Quentin was like, yeah, I don't know, like that. Yeah, I guess that's what happened. And it's like, Quentin, come on, man. You're already in jail. You might as well just fucking admit it.

Yeah, at this point, it's like, just say it. It was also noticed on camera that he changed three times that day. That's weird. Yeah. I mean, why would you change three times? I don't know. Now, they took the DNA sample that was on those keys that they found, Jessica's keys that were quarter, excuse me, an eighth mile away from the burning car. And it was a match

to Quintantelis. The DNA matched Quintantelis. The DNA matched Quintantel us if the DNA matches you must Put them in jail. You much you must snatches them and put them in jail Put it them away if I don't think that's a snappy as Johnny Cochran intended, but you know, we'll go with it So now they got a search warrant for tell us his phone because they were like, yeah, now we're going to look through your shit. Every text that Quentin Tell us sent to Jessica the week before her murder was super sexual, like wicked sexual, like aggressively sexual. Three separate times he asked her to sleep with him and she turned him down every single time. Now the day of her murder she denied him several times through text. Again, remember that text that he sent her a couple minutes before the 9-1-1 came in?

He was very sweet, sweet dreams, can't see you tonight, Bay. But all these other ones are like these raunchy, like, aggressive sexual texts. Not exactly lining up. No. No. So, they think the motive was possibly rage. It was it was further seen that all these texts were also deleted off of his phone. Interesting. Like why would you delete all these texts but keep that one that's like making you look like this nice carrying bay.

Bay. Bay. And even though they had texted a ton for weeks, he suddenly stopped texting her immediately after sending that one last alibi text to her after the murder. Because if you look at it a couple minutes before 911, the sweet text can't hang out. Love you Bay, sweet dreams. That's a perfect alibi. You send that text so it looks like you were nowhere near her that you just had this easy relationship and and then all communication with her stops right after that. How did he know that she wasn't going to look at any more text because she was dead? How did he know that? Right, why wouldn't you send like if she hadn't responded like a you okay like where are you like hello text? Exactly. Now legal analyst Beth Caris had a chance to ask Quentin

Tellus. And it was in the episode unspeakable crime, the killing of Jessica Chambers. It's like a docu series. And she asked him like, why, why didn't you why wouldn't you send any more texts after that? Why did all communication stop? Why was all why were all these text messages just deleted off of your phone like you need to give some kind of answer here because it looks real bad Quinn Like you look like shit Quinn. He said quote, I wasn't scared But after we found out who it was who died there. I mean, I just deleted my contact with her Because I didn't want to have a deceased person on my phone with a number

in my phone that's just going to be no longer used. That's very like, like, by, you know, well, that's the thing. It's like, so I've had many, I've had friends pass away. Their numbers are still in my phone and I keep all of their text messages in my phone because it's my last communication with them. What? Yeah, like what I meant to say, I wasn't making any sense because I was shocked, but it's like very dismissive and cold.

Exactly. So it's like that doesn't, that doesn't look good either way. He's like, she's dead, so I don't need her in my phone anymore. Basically. Exactly. Now, he was charged and went to trial for this. And now the issue that came back around was the Derek Eric issue. Yup.

Because again, his name is Quentin, and she said Derek Eric according to all these witnesses. Yup. Now, it was hard for anyone to discount this, and they were like, this isn't, you can't even pretend that those sound even remotely alike, even when you try to like hold your tongue, do anything. And even though the doctor said this couldn't be taken as fact because her tongue and lips were burned beyond repair, it was still in everyone's mind. It was just something that wasn't going to go away, unfortunately. Now October 10, 2017, the trial began. The state banked on his numerous lives. They were like, he's changed his story a thousand times.

And every time he got caught with something, he would change it. He'd be like, oh, yeah, now I remember. Like, that's a pretty good thing to bank on. So what they were saying was that after they went to Taco Bell, they went back to his house, and she was found to naked, remember. So they think that he might have tried to sleep with her and he might have even assaulted her. Of course they couldn't tell that,

but they thought he might have. I was gonna ask you if she had been raped. Now, when she fought back, they think that he somehow knocked her out in his driveway and I think they were thinking he probably suffocated her, like choked her or suffocated her and thought he had killed her, Right, but he didn't. So he figured he had to dispose of her because he thought she was dead. So they think he drove

the car to where it was found. And this is when they think he ran into his, he ran to his sister's home to borrow her truck because he did do that. Remember they, they could line all that up. So they said they think they drove the car to this place. He ran to his sisters. He got her truck and as he is on the way there he throws or drops Jessica's keys on his way because it was on the way to his sister's house. God they found them. Now on camera you can see the truck from his sister pulling into his house. So there's a shed at his house with gas cans in there. And this is lining up now. He then drove to the murder scene, lit her car with her in and on fire, poured the shit down her throat, all over her upper nose. He then sends her a text message right after to covers to ask. And this text is noticeably sweeter than all the others.

And they think Fred's dollar store where he was seen on camera when he got the truck was his attempt to place himself there buying that green dot card. Pretty close to the murder. So he could be like, well, it was all the way in Batesville. I don't know what you're talking about.

Right, right, right. So this is all, this all makes sense. It really does. I think he did it now. Of course, the defense says this is all circumstantial. And they call the Eric Derrick thing as proof that this isn't him. They were like, no, it's Quentin Tellus.

That doesn't sound anything like Derrick Derrick. And they just kept hammering at that. But the doctor said over and over, you can't use that as fact. Exactly. And a medical expert testified that and said she was so burned beyond recognition that she was not capable of actually speaking coherently. And they said she could speak, but not, you know, she couldn't enunciate.

Now another first responder said he asked Jessica Ericrika who and she wrote this is big this like to me Made it more like that Eric or Derek isn't a thing So this first responder said I asked Jessica Erika who and she replied no So to me that says no, I'm not saying Eric or Derek, but she can't say anything else So she's going no like you know, I Like, no, that's not what I said. And so he was like, that's all we got out of her. And he was like, I don't think that was, I don't know his last name, because she would've just been like, you know, I don't know, or like, just not said anything, but she said,

no. And to me, that says, no, not Derek or Eric or not Eric. And I think that makes it more like Quentin could be the guy. I agree with you. Now after 10 hours of deliberation, they find him not guilty of capital murder. And the judge says, do you all agree? Because that's how these trials go. And one man on the jury says, no, we didn't all agree.

Oh, shit. It blew everyone's mind. So the judge is like like so all 12 did not agree on the verdict and the guy states we didn't all agree on it So what happens now and this is on film and it's bonkers You see everybody in like this everybody sitting down being like what like are you because when does that happen like no? You all are supposed to agree before you come out. Like, everyone knows that. Right. Like, that's the whole point of deliberating. Well, then they pull the jury right there.

And this is on camera that he's like, they all stand up. And they say guilty, not guilty, guilty, not guilty. And they find out that it was not even a little bit unanimous. The jury said that they didn't understand the instructions. What instructions? Basically, they were like, oh, yeah, we didn't know that we all had to unanimously agree on a verdict, which I was like, where do you find these people? Because I feel like everybody knows that as a jury,

you're supposed to be an in and they instruct you. They tell you you need a unanimous decision. I'm confused about where they got lost. Yeah, that's, that's a lot, man. So now they had to go back and they were like, let me make this clear to you. You all need to agree on a verdict before you come out. We're locking you in here. Please don't come out until you all agree. So one hour later, they come out and they tell the judge, we can't agree on a verdict.

Deadlocked, mistrial. Fuck, I'm saying. Um, when that happens, if there's a mistrial, do they have to get an all-new jury? Yeah, they do get an all-new jury. Okay. Which is good in this case. Yeah. Because you're like, yeah, you guys can leave now. Now, on September, 2018, he was put back on trial for a second trial. There's another hung jury, another mistrial. This is a hard case. It's insane. He is still serving his 10-year sentence for the debit card fraud,

and he's awaiting trial in Louisiana for the murder of Ming-Chen-Sao as well. Now, waiting... now, now, at this moment, right now, they are waiting for a third trial. Still. Wow. So that's why I say this is not a totally solved case because he is technically innocent until proven guilty. Right. Right. Now, his bond was set at $300,000 for the killing of Ming, which is crazy to me that he even has bond for that. Like a lot of people were really up in arms about that because he hasn't, luckily what it is is like even though he was, he got bail set, even if they paid it, I think he can't leave prison, he would just be sent somewhere else. Okay.

So that's good. Now, here's some other issues that have come up. Quinten's sister has the name Derek tattooed on her hand. Is Quinten's real name Quinten? It is. But this was never mentioned anywhere. Like, police didn't really test, they didn't really look into this. Police didn't really test the car thoroughly because they said it was being, you know, burned beyond recognition. And it was just a total loss. So they didn't test it completely. And to me, that's an issue. Like, do your best. See what you can get out of that car.

Yeah, of course. Which I think is just another case where the police could have done more. Who the fuck is Derek? Well, in the police who told, the person who told police that Quentin told him all about the torturing and killing of Ming, that Eric Hill, that's Quentin's wife's cousin. Okay. So there's just all these weird connections to Derrick's and Erick's that aren't really looked into. I mean, Eric, I think, was looked into the guy that initially told them and I don't think they found anything connected to him, but it's still like things are getting weird here. Like I think more needs to be looked into here and I don't think they found anything connected to him. But it's still like, things are getting weird here. Like, I think more needs to be looked into here and I don't think

it is being looked into. I'm like, what's Quentin's middle name? What's happening here? There was a, I mentioned earlier Buzzfeed article, which I'll link to because I thought it was a really good investigative. I know people are probably like, Buzzfeed, go fuck yourself, like Elena, what are you doing? I like Buzzfeed investigative articles. I think some of them can be really great. And this one happens to be really great. And it's in this article, Jessica's mother Lisa says quote, and this is really gonna, this is the part that I was like, oh my god, this rips my heart out. She said quote, I don't want to close the computer because I don't want to close my eyes. If I close them, I see her burning. Oh, like, that's her baby. I don't think I would ever close my eyes again because I think that is what all I would

see was thinking about my child being burned alive and someone pouring flammable liquid down their throat and then lighting a match. That's the other thing. What the accelerant of this fire was a match. Somebody lit a match and threw it on this thing. That is so personal and so like fuck you. This whole thing is so personal. There's no way this is some stranger that did this. This is beyond personal. And it's like, like, what did you say? Like maybe a half hour before she was in his driveway talking to him. It just, it doesn't make sense that he didn't do it to me anymore. Yeah, it really doesn't. I mean, I, I don't want to like, because I don't want anybody to like yell

at me saying I'm presenting only one side of the story. This is the only thing that's coming out. I don't know what other side to present because no other person has been put up for this. So I'm trying to give all the information I can. But to me, a lot of this stuff is pointing to him because he lied about a lot of stuff. He lied about a lot of pertinent stuff, seeing her that night, being with her that night. He lied about a lot of pertinent stuff, like seeing her that night, being with her that night. I mean, he lied about a lot of it and it's, and he deleted all those messages. It's just, if he is innocent, he did not do a good job of proving himself innocent. And I feel like the major thing that he lied about is the lot of the very last thing was what time she left his house. Yeah, exactly. Knowing that she left and then within a 30-minute

period, she ran into someone she knew and then within a 30-minute period, she ran into someone she knew, which, because we know this is personal, we know it. She ran into someone she knew on a dark road randomly and something occurred where they got so angry that they lit her on fire, stripped her naked and lit her on fire because the other thing was that I read, I read this in a bunch of Reddit threads and I saw it in one article so I didn't state it as fact yet, but I did see it in

a lot of sources that her clothes were like outside of the car, like behind the car. So her clothes were like taken out of the car. So that's weird. Yeah, there's just a lot of weird shit in this case. There really is. And then just so you guys know, there is a justice for Jessica Facebook page. It's run by her half sister. And it can't, there's a lot of good people on that page that are just trying to help try and send well wishes. It kind of like shows the best of

humanity. And then it shows like the worst. People send her family cards. They send flowers, gifts. People send her family cards, they send flowers, gifts, they donate library books to libraries in the local area in Jessica's name. Like it's all really cool. And Lisa, her mother's laptop was confiscated for evidence by the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation in the beginning of the case. And she hadn't got it back yet.

Someone sent her a new laptop from that page. Oh my God, I know, isn't that so sweet? And she also broke her phone at one point and mentioned it. Someone sent her a new phone as well. Oh my God, these people. So it kind of shows like the best of humanity and the absolute worst of humanity. It's like this case has the total dichotomy of it.

But unfortunately, at this moment, we are still waiting to find out if he is gonna have a third trial. The family wants it. The family does believe that they are gonna prove that he did it. And Lisa, her mother said, I promised her I would get her justice.

I have to get her justice. I want her to get justice. If it's not Quentin, then Cortland police find out who the fuck it is. Like if it's not him, go hard and find someone else. But like, it does seem like me. He's the guy. I'm going to be honest. In my opinion, he is the guy. I'm not going to state it with absolute fact. But in my opinion, if I have to say it, Quentin looks good for this. It's just the, I mean, the evidence, yes, is all circumstantial. But if you can piece it together, that perfectly.

It's like, it makes sense. Exactly. And I think the only motive I can come up with because that's where I get hung up. It's like, what motive do you have to do something that awful? I think it was initially rage. I think it was trying to assault her or rape her possibly or her turning him down or her stopping something in the middle of it, getting him angry. He might have choked her or suffocated her and that's and I think then it turned into self preservation mode and he was like, how do

I get rid of this? And that was the only way he thought of to get rid of it. I don't think that part was the was the main part of it. I think it was more to get rid of it. But but then again, it's like but you poured fucking accelerant down her throat. So it a lot of it doesn't add up any in any sense of the word, you know what I mean? It's hard to find like figure out anybody in the world who would do that. But Quentin looks kind of good for it. Definitely in my opinion. But guys, let us know what you think. If anybody has more information about this, by all means share it with us.

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