Morbid - Episode 108: Christmas Murders Mini Morbid

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

Tonight's Alaina Mini is a double feature! We discuss the horrific murders (two separate cases) of Sylvestre Diaz-Hernandez and Michelle O'Dowd.  They are both tales of entitled jerks who killed hard working, kind people who unfortunately both welcomed their murderers into their homes. Buckle up, it's the holiday season and it is bleak. We love our sponsors! Quip Go to Getquip.com/MORBID, right now, you’ll get your first refill FREE. Storyworth Preserve and pass on memories with StoryWorth, the most meaningful gift for your family. Sign up today by going to StoryWorth.com/MORBID. You’ll get $20 off your first purchase!  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Spick I got the holidays Spaking of the holiday should I talk about murder a peril really fast because they have holiday themed sweatshirts for us? I think you should cuz I feel like it's apropos apropos. Okay guys, so we're We have like a little like thing with this like company called like murder apparel. We have a thing going We've got a thing. It's getting very official. It's pretty serious. We're pretty Into it anyways. I'm gonna I'm okay So if you go to murder apparel on Instagram and you click the link in their bio It will bring you to their website where they have a bunch of cool ass shirts including they have a Christmas shirt a Christmas sweater

Maybe a Christmas honey. I don't really know if it's on the hoodie Persuasion either way. Yeah, this Christmas over there. There's Christmas. There's morbid Christmas morbid Christmas There's everything and if you use code morbid at checkout after you buy something on the murder apparel website, you will get 20% off of your order. Do it because they are rad as fuck. I love that. We love murder apparel. And we are actually going to be wearing our morbid Christmas sweatshirts to our family, Christmas Eve, and Christmas, because we are more of this people. I'm like, is it, I wear a murder, I wear a murder shirt every day.

I wear murder all the time. I wear a morbid shirt all the time. I do too, I love wearing my morbid shirts. I don't care how pretentious it is. I know that I'm like, is that pretentious? Probably, but you know what it is? Murder apparel does such a good job of designing amazing shirts for morbid that I want to wear them.

And we have merch too. I forgot that. I forgot that. We'll all update that in the show now. Like I write the show now. And if anybody has placed an order already, they are on their way to you. John has been working around the clock to get those out. And hopefully soon we won't have to like do all this from my living room. So you know maybe this will get more streamlined soon. So stay tuned for that. Streamed blind. Streamed blind. You know what?

I know you were going to hope that the guest lot here I am. Paling you out. I'm so hyped. You are. Wow. What else is hype? I was just going to say I'm so hype to tell you About our shows What do you like to tell me about? I'm so hyped to tell you guys

We have shows we have One show in New York at the grammar see theater that's fucking sold the fuck out So see all of you beautiful weirdos there. Yeah, yeah, we have I'm gonna try to do them in chronological order No, I'm not then we have another show in Oh DC and Philly are next. So we have one show in Washington DC one show in Philly Those are in April those are in April Then in May we have two shows in one night. Yeah, we do in Nashville Yeah, yeah, and then we're gonna be at

Crime con before Nashville guys. I'm so excited about crime con. I want you all to be there It's in Orlando and we're gonna be on podcast row guys podcast row I can't believe I'm saying that out loud. I hope one of those days like when we're not on podcast row Like if we're just there in actually today we got to go to Harry Potter world. Yeah anyways I'm really excited for podcast row. Yeah, me too. But I would be super sorry. I got to have some blood o'beal.

Oh hell yeah. And like go to Hagrid's house. Hell yeah. I want to go to Hogwarts. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. I'm like broken. Oh. The main fucking thing. You are truly are truly broken main fucking thing in Harry Potter. I'm like what's that place? Hogwarts that's gonna be really cool. I can't wait to do that. Oh shit. All right guys I think it's time to dive into these cases. Oh, yeah, I said cases. Oh yeah, I forgot that you were doing. That's right. How many?

I'm doing two. Whoa, that's right. I picked, I couldn't decide between a couple of cases and they were smaller cases. So I was like, you know what? Let's give them two. You were like holiday season, happy holidays. So boop-a-do.

Happy holidays, let me tell you about holidays. Let me tell you about murder Let me tell you about murder So the first one I'm going to do these are pretty rough to so just I feel like someone out there I do is gonna be like they celebrated the holiday season by talking about Married and I'll be like yes, I did You're in the wrong side. Giltie, giltie. Giltie. So yeah, these are terrible.

We're not celebrating it. Just putting it out there. No. The first one is the murder of Sylvester Diaz Hernandez. Sylvester? Sylvester. That's a cool name. I know.

And he seems like a cool guy. It sounds like Sylvester. It does, but it's not. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this happened in Chicago on December 24th, 2013. Alexis Valdez was 18 years old. He had moved in six months prior to this incident

with his aunt, who is not named anywhere. I could not find her name. I don't know, she doesn't. She doesn't want this protection. Yeah, I don't know if she just doesn't want to be named, but didn't find her name, and that's fine fine So he moved in with her and her boyfriend 41 year old Sylvester Diaz her Nanda's Okay, I see the connection there it is They all shared an apartment together and

Alexis was allowed to live with them as long as he went to school He worked and he maintained a job To you know help contribute to everything needed to run a household. He was living there for free as an 18-year-old adult. Right. You know, like rent and food and such. It's standard. Apparently, he just stopped working and just expected to have like a free ride.

So his aunt and her boyfriend told him, you got to find another place to live. You're not contributing to the household, but. We asked one thing of you and it wasn't, you know, we're not even like really charging you rent, we're just asking that you contribute. That's all. And you're not even doing that. Well, he was pissed because he's a little shit

who felt entitled to live off of other people's harder in lives, obviously. Oh, that's good. Perfect. So on Christmas Eve 2013, he reached a boiling point with his rage at having to be an adult and take responsibility for his own life. It does suck. Yeah, totally. His aunt was out at a holiday party and he started drinking heavily. Oh, as one does, when 18 and facing a viction because of becoming unemployed, right? I don't recall. Yeah, that time.

So now Diaz, Diaz Hernandez, the boyfriend, comes home after hanging out with his family. He sees that Alexis has drank all the beer in the house. He sees that Alexis is shit face. Literally, and he's like, dude, seriously. So he takes, he and Alexis go out to the store and get more beer, because he's like, you just drank all my beer.

I'm gonna go get more. Alexis is like, I'll go with you. Now before they left for this excursion, Alexis hid a hammer next to the door. The door of the house. Yes. Okay. Now why do you do that? To kill the guy with. When the pair returned back to the apartment. Alexis suddenly grabbed the hammer and violently smashed Sylvester's head in several times with it. Oh my lord. He bludgeoned him until he was dead. And after making sure he had beat him to death with the hammer, he started dismembering

his body. Jesus Christ. Now escalated so quickly. Oh it escalates real quickly. This gets worse. I don't know how. But it does. Now, he didates real quickly. This gets worse. I don't know how, but it does. Now, he did what I always hate hearing in these cases.

I have to do with teeth. No, no, no, but I've mentioned this before. He plays really loud music to conceal the noise of all of this. And I hate that. I don't like that at all. Like the chaos factor of that stresses me out so much. Whenever I hear about, because a lot of these like asshole serial killers and murderers do that, like they'll,

except they usually do it when the person's alive and they're just like, it's like a torture thing. It's just more like psychological, like, fucking with somebody and I hate it. That always stresses me out in the case. Me too. Sylvesteria unfortunately was already dead when this happened, but so Alexis did play loud music to conceal all the noises,

and he covered all the windows up so that he could work slowly and methodically. He used a butcher knife and a saw to remove Diaz Hernandez's ear, nose, and his lips. Ah! His lips? Yep. I know I'm upset about everything, but I don't know that really upset. Yeah, it's just weird. It's a weird move. I want chopstick now.

He then used his bare hands to pluck both of his eyes out before cutting off his head, removing his arms, and gutting him from growing to stern him. That made my eyeballs hurt. Yep, I'm closing my eyes right? Oh, it gets worse. It gets worse. He then placed Sylvesterie's head, ears, and nose

on his aunt's bed, because as he said, he wanted to leave her a Christmas present. I saw that when I was taking the papers out of the printer. Yeah, that's the only part that I saw. And I was like, oh, fuck, I can't read anymore, because I just fully alerted myself. I just spoiler alerted myself. Yep. He left his head in several of their body parts on his girlfriend, his aunt's bed as a present. Yep.

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So once he became tired, because that's a lot of work. Yeah. In his own words, he decided to call 911 at this point. And now it was Christmas day at around 205 AM at this point. That's really sad. So he called 911 and said he wanted to report a dead body. The dispatcher asked if he attempted or was willing to attempt CPR on the person and he said oh no, and literally laughed out loud. The dispatcher literally said he laughed out loud and said no, the person doesn't have a head anymore. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Can

you imagine being, I don't know how 911 dispatchers do what they do. Like, what do you say to that? You're like, oh, okay, I hang up. Thanks for the information. So the police show up and Alexis is outside on the porch holding an iPad and he's covered in blood and he's just like, hey, bros, like wicked nonchalant and casual he they immediately ask him what's going on and if he's the one who called 911 yeah and according to the report he said quote shouldn't you arrest me before you ask me questions because I just killed a man and he's in the basement oh he then threw the iPad onto the ground as hard as he could so it shattered into pieces I'd be like why are you so extra? Like, at first I'd be like, okay,

we're gonna discuss this whole, like, you murdered a man. But first- Why did you just throw that eye-pads, sir? Right. Like, what was the meaning of that? I need to know what the meaning of that was. I feel like I'm not shitting on GuyLiner, but I feel like he was also wearing GuyLiner.

I don't know why. Like, I feel like he was just like really intense. And I picture him with Guy liner. He didn't have Guy liner, I can tell you. Damn it. He looks like a little weasel. But you know, I'm gonna Google a photo. Now, Alexis also said that he was waiting

for his aunt to show up at home. So he could do the same thing to her. But he got tired of waiting. Oh. And it's like, holy shit, thank goodness. I'm not gonna come home. I mean, this is tragic and I hate that this happened to so many of us.

To end this money, right. But thank goodness it wasn't two people. You got to think of some kind of silver lining here. Right. So police did find Sylvestery's torso in the basement. In 2014, Alexis pled not guilty to first degree murder. How? Well, and then in 2017, at 21 years old, he pled guilty to first degree murder.

Okay. He was sentenced to 33 years in prison. Um, so that's it? Yeah, I know. I always am so confused about sentencing. I know, sentencing, there's always like seemingly like a method or strategy to the madness, like this plea deal, and all that that get wrapped in here. Like all the, it's different all the time.

I know, I know, you can never predict what it's actually going to be for any given crime. Really? So Vestery's brother did send a set up a go fund me at the time to pay for his funeral because he had no life insurance. Oh my god. Well, of course not. He was young. I know. It was really sad. And Sylvester had lost the mother of his children and was working to provide for them at the time. Yeah. So they didn't have parents after that? Yeah. So he literally, yeah. So literally both their parents were taken.

So he literally both their parents were taken. Oh my God. And his daughter, Salina Diaz, told the sun times, quote, my father was a good person. He never did anything to anyone. She was 17 at the time. And then she said, he was a good father. He did what he could for me and my brother. He did the best to provide for us after me

and my brother lost our mother. Jesus. Yeah. So this fucker is spending 33 years in jail. That is not enough time. No, it's really not. Especially, don't you typically get more time for mutilating a body? Yeah, I would think that would be like an extra charge, but it's really, I was looking at like for more and more articles about this, but there's just not a lot of details of it Which is crazy, but but yeah, so that is That Christmas Eve murder. That's a horrible one pretty terrible and Now we are going to talk about the murder of Michelle O'Dowde. Okay

This was on Friday December 2nd, 2011 Philip axed showed up at his sisters' home in Jacksonville, Florida. His twin sister was Michelle O'Dowd. At around 9.10 a.m. to check on her because she had not been able to be contacted and had also failed to show up for work. What he found was his twin sister murdered in an absolutely horrific way. That's awful. Now Michelle was also known as Mickey O'Dowd.

Oh, that's so cute. A lot of her, she had a ton of nieces and nephews and they called her Auntie Mickey. Stop it. Yeah. She was born February 20th, 1944 in Glenridge, New Jersey. Her parents were Philip and Margaret Axt. I found a lot of this information in her obituary actually.

She was a fraternal twin and had technically younger than her brother, Philip Jr. She was intelligent, kind, loving. I mean, people did not have enough good things to say about this woman. How did he make it? I know. And she earned a degree from Virginia

Interment College and spent over 30 years as a lab technician. Wow. Yes, them girl and eventually she became a lab supervisor at Good Samaritan Hospital in Suffering New York. Wow. Yeah, so she's like a bad bitch. Mickey was killing the game. Mickey was killing the game and not only that she was like Just this generous amazing person. So she was literally killing it in every aspect. Well, round and mix. She had one child, a son named Philip, who passed away suddenly in 2003 at only 29 years old. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

And when he passed away, this is when she moved to Florida to be closer to her family, because her brother, her twin brother Philip was there. Mm-hmm. When she moved, she decided to go back to work, because she had retired and she was like, you know what When she moved she decided to go back to work because she had retired and she was like, you know what? Okay, that went to go back to work. So she went back to work for her twin brother Phil. She became the head of accounts receivable in collections department at audio images international ink which is where her brother, he partially owned it. Okay. She had a dog named Max who she adored and she loved animals,

huge animal lover. When her twin brother Philip showed up on December 2nd 2011, He saw the front door of the home was wide open, which immediately was not just he had a bad feeling. Not normal. And the inside of the home had been ransacked. Oh no. So he's already, he walks in here and he's like, shit is bad right now. That must be like the worst fucking feeling. Can you imagine your stomach must just fucking drop to your feet? And how scared he must have been walking into this place? Yeah, because you're going to see what you're walking into. Yeah, you don't know. It was wide open. And I mean, like all her things,

the furniture were strewn everywhere. I mean, it looked like somebody had actually ransacked the place. Her car and her dog, Max, were untouched. Okay. Which I was happy to hear. Happy about the dog. You know, he passed through the house about three times before finally spotting his sister. Where was she? It was then that he saw a foot sticking out from beneath a massive pile of Christmas gifts. Oh my God! These Christmas gifts were wrapped and intended for her nieces, nephews, and grandchildren. Oh my God.

He grabbed her ankle and he said it was ice cold and he said I just knew. She was found under a pile of wrapped Christmas gifts intended for all the kids in her life. And it was December 2nd. She has already like, she was already on that set. Like it is telling the Christmas game. It is December 22nd and I still don't have my shit together. Yeah, I still have to finish my Christmas show. So like, fucking Mickey, man. She was on her shit. Oh my gosh.

I know. Now, when he moved to the gifts, he found the battered body of his 67-year-old twin sister. Her face was covered with blood and had have been covered up by a towel. So somebody knew her. Yep. And there was an empty bottle of vodka nearby, which she was like, yeah, this wasn't hers. Like she did not drink a whole bottle. So he thinks this was whoever did this, this is attempt to like make it seem weird, like just throw people off, I think.

So it was later determined that she had been beaten in strangled either late December 1st or early December 2nd. So who did this? I don't know. Who the fuck did this? So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So many. So Well, Michelle typically lived alone, but with her dog. But she had been allowing a family friend to stay with her recently. Oh. This family friend was Patty Michelle White. Don't help people. She was, she was about 40 years old and from South Carolina. She had been the ex-girlfriend of Michelle's nephew, so they knew each other. Okay.

And then she had just, you know, broken things off with Michelle's nephew recently. So they knew each other for years. Patty had moved to Orlando from South Carolina and Michelle allowed her to stay with her for a month or so for free. To get on her feet. Yeah, that's really nice. Patty was a fucking bum. So Michelle would eat, you know, she would do things to try to get her, help her get back

on her feet. Like she would pay her to clean houses, she would pay her to try to get her help her get back on her feet like she would pay her to clean houses she would pay her to babysit do other odd jobs here in there like help her out yeah just trying to give her like a leg up here there um and just trying to give her some cash so she was trying to help her get her life together but Phil her twin brother told CBS news quote she just couldn't keep a job she just couldn't get her life together. Um, Phil even had her babysit his grandchildren sometimes because he said she was a family friend. They trusted her. Like, there was no reason not to trust her. And they're just this family's trying to help this woman. Yeah, they're like, she's flaky and she's not getting her shit together, but she's not a bad. They didn't think she was a bad person. Now, they trusted her

so well that Michelle even gave Patty her debit card and pin to run to the store and get groceries for the house. So she would be like, you know, you're gonna live here for free and go do the errands for the house. Here's my debit card. And I'm going to fucking pay for it.

Exactly. So that's how much she trusted her. She gave her her pin in her debit card. She was in and out of Michelle's home here and there, basically falling back on living with her for free when she fell on bad times and Michelle would take her in no questions asked. Michelle was just a sweet generous person like she just wanted to help her. Yeah. So when this happened, Patty had moved back to South Carolina at this time. She was not living with Michelle at this time. Okay. This happened. South Carolina at this time. She was not living with Michelle at this time. Okay. This happened. Um, those debit cards that Michelle allowed Patty to use when she lived with her were the

only thing missing from the home when investigators searched. Okay. Man, remember, Patty knows those debit cards, pins, only thing missing. Her brother Phil told WT EV News, quote, there is nothing worse than when you walk inside and find your own sister brutally murdered over a stupid debit card. Right. So shortly after her death,

those cards were used at two different ATMs in Florida. Each used to withdraw $500 from each ATM, so $1,000 total. Okay. They pulled the video from the ATMs and although Patty wore a hat and tried to cover herself up It was patty. She was able to be identified by family members that it was fucking patty Using those debit cards that were stolen from Michelle O'Dowd

And you know what the thing is too. She probably could have just asked Michelle for the money. Oh 100% in fact Michelle's niece Donna Reed said quote It's just so surreal. My aunt would have given her the money. Yeah, I was going to, you can just tell based on the whole story that she could have been like, I'm having a struggle. It's Christmas, kind of, I have some money and it sounds like Mickey would have been like, you know what? Totally. Here you go. Exactly. And that's what's so awful about this is like, this woman gave you a roof over her head. She gave you food. She gave you a chance. Like, she... Multiple chances it sounds like. Like, she believed that you could get better. Right. This is how you come back at her. It's like, what the fuck?

So, Patty was on the way to York, South Carolina, where her parents lived, and she was pulled over at around 3.30 p.m. on December 2nd because once they saw her the same day. Yeah. Oh wow. Because once they saw her on those ATM things, they were like boom, daughter. And then they just knew where she was. And when cops pulled her over, she was with her mother in the car. She was brought back to the police station in York to be interviewed. And during this interrogation, she confessed to the murder of Michelle O'Dowd. Wow. I believe it was Jacksonville police or detectives that got her to confess to it.

She was held at the York County Detention Center and later extradited back to Florida. Now the story went that she literally was living in South Carolina. She came back to Florida specifically to Rob Michelle. Like she was literally everything this woman did for her. Everything this woman did to her, this bitch came back just to rob the 67 year old woman who lived alone with her dog who took her fucking in when she needed it. Multiple times. She took her in. You said, right? Yeah. Multiple times whenever she needed it. Yeah Multiple times, she took her and you said, right? Yeah, multiple times, whenever she needed it. Yeah, so you, like, that's just like biting the hand

that feeds you. Oh, that's about an asshole. The definition of biting the hand that feeds you. And all the detectives and investigators were like, we don't know exactly, this is the most senseless crime of ever. Right, it is. Both of these crimes, that's exactly how it has

been really senseless. And really senseless. These are the most senseless crimes. They're both just entitled fucks. Like all of these stories make me really pissed off, but especially ones like this. I'm like, you could have just asked her for the money. And that would have been shitty in and of itself

because you're 40 fucking years old. Exactly. Get a job. Get your shit together. Right. Like, you know what? Michelle had, she worked her ass off her whole life. She was a lab technician and then a lab supervisor.

And now she's working in like a accounts payable as like a lead there. She's working her ass off. She earned that money. Both of these stories are like freeloaders. I fucking hate freeloaders. They're entitled people that think that they should just be able to do nothing

but get the reap the benefits. It's fucking fun. Fuck you, man. You gotta work. You better work bitch. You wanna work. You better work, bitch. You wanna work, bitch? Britney Spears said. Yeah.

And I think RuPaul said it too. Yeah, she definitely said so. Ru, deaf said so. For sure. No, in October 2013, Patty pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 45 years in prison. That's still not enough either.

I know, but then I'm looking at it and I'm like, yeah, she'll die before then. Maybe not. I feel like that. Where was she going? She's going in at like over 40. So if she stays in there for 45 years, she's either coming out decrepit

or because it's not like you're going to come out of there like, you know, vibrant. Yeah, exactly. But I'm hoping that she'll just kick it in person. Croak bitch. You got a croak bitch. I honestly, Patty. Now she avoided getting a life sentence by doing a plea deal for the second degree murder charge. See, there's that like crazy, like you never know. There it goes. On there. Loved ones were asked to donate to the Jacksonville Humane Society in Michelle's name

because it was an organization that was close to her big giant beautiful heart. I wonder where Max went to live. I know. I think with Phil. I bet he went to live with Phil. I bet Phil was good to Max. I can't and that's the other thing. It's like Phil was her twin brother. Yeah, that's like a bond that you don't even get. And it's like he had to walk in there and not only where they twins and close they worked together. Yeah, that's And it's like he had to walk in there. And not only were they twins and close, they worked together. Yeah, that's like bro. And he had to walk in there and find her.

I can't imagine. Covered in the Christmas presents that she bought for his grandchildren. Who she like considered her a horrific touch. That's, that's what kills me. Some deep-rooted maniacal shit. And it's, yeah. You're a bad person.

And it's like as you're putting these presents on top of this dead, older woman. Battered, 67-year-old woman who has helped you your whole life. Yeah. As you're putting these presents on top of her battered, bleeding face, you're sitting there being like, you have to know these are for people who love her. Yeah. And you're burying and this is It's very, it's just... It's a huge fuck you, everyone. It's so dark.

Yeah. And it's like, you must know those are for like children that love her and like, that she loves. And it's fucking Christmas, dude. Ah, it's just like that part made me like, man, you have to have no soul. It's dark. Like, you have to have zero soul to do that shit

I don't like her patty at all and I'm gonna I do know I do not like patty at all 10 out of 10 do not recommend patty as a friend 10 out of 10 I recommend patty Get shanked in prison That's what I recommend I recommend that you shank her Shank that woman shank that woman I recommend that you shank her. Shank that woman. Shank that woman. So the other thing, I'll post photos, obviously,

like I always do on the Instagram of the victims in these cases. Both Mickey adorable. Mickey's fucking adorable. I bet. She's just that woman that you look at and be like, I bet you're awesome. And was Sylvester Cuny.

And he was adorable. And it's just like, man, man sucks. So in the holiday spirit. I'm really hoping that everybody has a great holiday. Whatever you celebrate, be it Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, Duwali. Maybe you don't celebrate all in this. I hope you have a great day.

Maybe you're just, maybe you know what? And if you don't celebrate any of the holidays, just celebrate life. Yeah, it's awesome. It's great. Yeah. And you know what? Yeah, and you can make it great.

We can always make it great. Our high school principal always used to say, make it a great day or not that the choice is yours. But yeah, so I hope that you guys have a great holiday and whether you celebrate it or not just you know Don't murder each other be nice to be kind I'm gonna do it each other. I'm gonna tag Ellen in this I'll do it. Oh my god. What if we got to go on the mother fucking Ellen show? I didn't shit my pants

She I mean she wouldn't let us she wouldn't know she wouldn't right We're like trying to convince each other like no Ellen if you're listening I fucking love your show. Yo Ellen. I love your giveaways. What a I just want high five you I just want to dance with you. Yeah, I do I want to do the red button game with Ellen. Oh, yeah All right. So everybody That's the new task. Let's get on me Ellen. Yeah, let's do me that Ellen if they can with the white fans got to go on Ellen I'm saying I'm saying all he did was say back at it again with the white fans Exactly so I think we can do it. You're gonna have to cut a lot of that out. So I hope that you guys

I'm sorry that this one's a little punchy, but you know what, it's the holiday season. So I hope you didn't enjoy these cases, but maybe enjoyed my telling of them. Yeah, just like, you know, it's all fine here. You're fine. Taboo. So enjoy yourselves, be kind, love you guys, and we hope you keep listening, and we hope

you keep it weird. I'm not doing my free-ther piece. But not so weird that you murder people at Christmas. Not so weird that you murder people ever. Yeah. Don't keep it that weird. Don't do it. Murr crossler.

Bye. As a fun little Christmas tree, the other day, Ashenai did not know that we were recording and this little jit, we had no idea because you can hear me at the unsight shit or we were recording. And we had a very organic conversation about Jack the Ripper and the crime scene photos that came from it. And then in the middle of it, I insult somebody's eyebrows. Exactly. I think kind woman I am.

And I just think it would be funny for you guys to be able to hear us having a like actual, like, you know, true crime combo. Just a real true crime combo, which is basically how this whole thing started. So it's like a nice little like throwback to how it all began. Kiss mitt.

So you know what? Enjoy this quick little organic conversation we had about you at the repair. Enjoy. Also, did you see the photo I posted on Twitter of the colored photo that I was eject the repair thing? So literally just looking at it while you were in the kitchen, it doesn't even look right. I have seen that photo, but it's the same time in like seen in the black and white, and it's

colorized it. That's insane white then it's polarized it. That's insane. And it's so much worse in colors. It's really scary. Like I've seen that photo about a billion times. We do. And seeing this, I was like, wowsers.

Like in real, because in the black and white photo, you're like, wow, that looks like a mess, but like I don't know. But it's like this. Like they like one thing to each other about. And look what he did. And like her face is just gone and like her fucking

And her thighs are gone everything in between her thighs is gone like some of this skin on her leg is off You can see bone like her femur literally you can see her whole ass. You literally see her finger He must have been a doctor or something like that right? Oh, no. This doesn't look very sterile like that right? Oh no. This doesn't look very sterile. That doesn't look real like really. Did he like disembowel people though? But he did do he did do a lot of things where he would like take out a kidney and stuff. Right. It's hard to find a kidney when you're like a professional in there, nowhere it is. Like a fact the other day we were trying to find a kidney. Do you think he knew what he was taking out or do you think he was just like? I don't know if he was just packing that. in like I'm just a rip whatever I put my hand around first. Yeah, because kidneys are pretty like good

gross. Yeah That means I trust me. I just don't know Oh, why did it start recording? Hey, prime members, you can listen to morbid early and ad-free on Amazon music. Download the Amazon music app today or you can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.