Morbid - Episode 110: What Happened To Alissa Turney?

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

17 year old Alissa Turney officially went missing May 17, 2001. Initially, she was labeled a runaway, but as evidence piled in to the contrary, the investigation seemed to point to foul play. Did her overbearing stepfather Michael Turney have something to do with Alissa's sudden disappearance? As the last person to see Alissa that day, he holds more answers than he is willing to give. Almost two decades later, the case remains unsolved and Alissa has never been found. Thanks to our sponsors! Daily Harvest Go to Dailyharvest.com and enter promo code MORBID to get $25 off your first box!  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I did just fall over your laundry detergent, though, So maybe I do have the buttons. That's okay. That's just a Sunday. Yeah, that's fine. I'm very proud of you. Oh my god. I'm very excited. I'm so proud of you. Pink. This is so exciting because this is a really good case guys. It's a really intense case and a lot of people have actually requested this one. So I'm glad we're doing it. Doing the damn thing. We are doing the damn thing. But we have a little bit to talk about before we tell you what the case is so what do we want to talk about first? Something really exciting. That's happening this year. Live shows? A few really exciting things. Okay so January 2020 we're going to be at the Grammar Sea Theater in New York City, New York, and West Sea.

Bye-bye. I'm like so excited. My fancy pants are hanging in my closet. Gotta find a fancy shirt to go with them. It's gonna be lit. The pants are so fancy guys. It's unbelievable. The pants are the force and they're all with it. They really are a force to be reckoned with. They are. They are. We're going to be in Nashville, back to back shows. That's gonna be insane. In the same night, I'm a little nervous, but yeah.

That's gonna be intense. Wait, should I like outfit change? Ooh. Are you gonna outfit change? Probably not. I take myself way too seriously. I'm definitely not going to outfit change. Well, we probably won't have time to outfit change.

No, we won't. You can dream about it for sure. I want to have an event in my life where I need to outfit change. Well, anyways, enough about me. Also in May. It's CrimeCon. Yes, CrimeCon is right before Nashville. Yeah, CrimeCon is going to be so much fun.

And we want to see all of your beautiful faces there on Podcast Row. Actually, somebody involved in the case that I'm going to be talking about tonight is also going to be at crime crime. I'm so excited to meet her. I can't fucking wait. It's going to be amazing. There's going to be so many cool people at crime comm. There are guys. We can't wait to see them all.

So many. Billie Jensen is going to be there, I think. Oh my gosh. Or at least I hope. I don't know. I don't have that confirmed. We're not friends yet yet. Are you going to lose your noodle if he's there?

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And it's like, I mean, I did drop out of college, but whatever. But I didn't mean about it. Well, and it's just those are the ones that were like, all right, you don't have to do that. So, you know, we know it's Naperville in DuPage. So, but we appreciate it. So, thanks for everybody letting us know.

But we know now. I promise. If you don't know, now you know. Yeah, if you don't know, we don't know. So thank you so much. Hopefully, Naperville and DuPage will stay in 2019 for the love. For the love. Because it's the Roan 20s.

And this is our first case of the Roan 20s. Oh. And it's Ash's centric. So what case are we covering, sister? Today, I'm going gonna be covering the case of Alyssa turnie. Ooh, this is such a crazy case. I know it really is. So Alyssa turnie was born April 3rd 1994 her mother was Barbour Lee Farner and her father's name was Steven Strom So Barbara had an older son named John,

who she had when she was younger. I think she was like 19 when she had John, but things didn't work out with his dad. So when she met Steve, it seemed like love. But after a list, it was born, the couple started to have issues in their marriage, unfortunately. Uh-oh. Yeah.

Around the same time that they started to have these marital issues, Barbara meets a man named Mike tourney I know that name. Oh god So Mike describes their meeting as this like crazy active heroism where Barbara and Alyssa are hiding in the park After having had a fight with Steve like they're hiding from Steve supposedly, which is their like biological father, right? This is a list of biological father and Barbara's husband at the time. Oh, okay. But other family members remember

they're meeting way differently. They just like met by happenstance and then Mike started sending Barbara flowers every single day. That seems like a lot. Yeah. Well, they started in a fair and when Steven and Barbara got divorced,

she married Mike like almost the next day. I mean, you know, love is love, I suppose. Yeah. So, unless it was three years old when Barbara and Mike got married, Mike had three sons from a previous marriage. So together, they kind of became this like Brady Bunch-Brenn-Blended family. I was just going to say. In a lot of people say that, like, compare that.

Yeah, it's in like every documentary or everything you could possibly hear about this. Because that's a lot of kids, that's almost three and three, right? So that's like, yeah. Yeah, it's three like every documentary or everything you could possibly hear about this because that's a lot of kid That's almost three and three right so that's yeah, yeah, it's a three and two so five. So yeah, yeah close A year or so after and actually perfect timing a year or so after marrying Barbara and my kind of daughter together named Sarah Officially the Brady bones six kids So like I said everything was pretty picture perfect at first But then eventually they ran into their own marriage issues Mike started becoming a lot more controlling Everything was pretty picture perfect at first, but then eventually they ran into their own marriage issues. E. Mike started becoming a lot more controlling.

Barbara knew that he had been recording in and outgoing phone calls from the house. What the fuck? Yeah. Because I was just gonna say, tail is old this time, like starts being super controlling. Yep.

But that's like real. That's like, that's like, that's where you're starting. Yeah. I was just gonna say, that's when you level up. That's not where you start. Right. Well, that's where you're starting. Yeah, I was just gonna say that's when you level up. That's not where you start. Right, well, that's where Mike started.

Jesus, Mike. And Barbara would try to meet her friends for coffee if she really needed to talk about something. Like, she'd be like, why don't we go get coffee? Since this line is a recorded line. Yeah. So it became clear to her friends that she also might have been being physically abused at home,

because one time she said the holes in the walls weren't always from the boys. Oh, that makes me sad. It's really sad. And that's a lot of kids in the house with, whenever abuse is happening, period. Yeah. It's awful, but like when kids are in the house seeing this, it's like, oh god. It's just not a good environment. Yeah. Well, and CPS became involved on multiple occasions. And for anybody who doesn't know, CPS just stands for Child Protective Services. Once they came, when a very young Sarah somehow got out

of the house and was hit by a car. And then they had to come another time when Alyssa somehow got into her father's medication and had to be taken to the hospital to get her stomach pumped. Oh my God. Yeah. None of this should be happening.

No. No, Jesus. No. Jesus. Things really just started to be like unraveling at the seams and quickly. When Alyssa was seven, she had to be taken to the doctors and it became evident that she may have been experiencing sexual abuse. Oh my god. That makes my stomach turn. Yeah, there was like tissues that I don't know exactly how all of that works, but it became evident in her vaginal tissue. It's usually like damaged issues. Yeah, exactly. And it's claimed or damaged. That makes my, it literally makes my stomach sick.

I said in years old. Oh, baby, baby. Yeah. That is a baby. Yeah. So at that point, Barbara was, was ready to get out of this. Like, there was so much fucking going on in that house. She had her hands full with six kids. She was babysitting other kids to make ends meet. She wanted out of this. She started saving money of her own and she started planning a new life with her children away from Mike because I think she was scared of him. Good for her. Unfortunately, that never happened because Barbara got diagnosed with lung and bone cancer and aggressive cancer at that.

Man. While Barbara was going through radiation, Mike moved the family to a place called Redding in California, and he told everyone he was doing this because there was better doctors out there. But friends and family argue that no, there were actually better doctors where they were in Phoenix. Yeah, I mean, that would make sense, I would think. So, well, and also, even just like,

in such a scary time and Barbara's life, why would you move her away from all her friends and family? Well, that's a thing. It's like that's a very intense time, as we know, we have like a mother who's going through cancer treatments. And that's a really intense time. And you need to be surrounded by people you love.

Yeah, you need to be as comfortable as possible, surrounded by people. You don't need to be moving to another place. And then it's moving in general. It's like how do you even move when you have fucking cancer? Moving when you are perfectly healthy is the most stress. It's one of the most stressful events. And then literally is. And then add on cancer to that.

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sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening. Followed this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts, you can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or London app. Well, a lot of people felt like Mike was isolating Barbara to like just like a control thing. Part of you only have me and these kids, like that's all you have. Yep, once you take away everything around the person, you can go, you don't have anything else. I'm all you got. Right. So toward the end of Barbara's life,

people remember Mike be liddling her and being pretty unsympathetic in general, because he was upset that she was going to leave him with all these kids, like it was her fucking choice or something. And can you imagine you are struggling at the end of your life with cancer and the person that's supposed to love you

and take care of you is making you feel bad for having cancer. Wow. Already a shitstake. Wow. Just hurts my heart for her. Me too. It's just so sad. That's awful. That must be such a time where you feel so alone anyways. Yeah. And then to have somebody there trying to help you, I'm sure it's all you need, but you've already feel alone. And then to have somebody there that doesn't want to help you. I'm sure is like all you need, but you've already feel alone and then yeah to have Somebody there that doesn't want to help you. It's like oh my god. That just must be the pits of despair Yeah, honestly, and then it's like all these kids are going through losing their mother in this horrific way because cancer fucking sucks It's awful and they're losing their mother in this horrific horrific way and and now they're having this

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Like one doesn't just move into the spot after one leaves. Well, Lynette was married. Yeah. So that wasn't going to work anyways. But he had a history of doing this. Actually, if you listen to Sarah Turnie, she has a podcast that I'll talk about more toward the end, but she goes into depth with like all the different

various family members and everything. I didn't want to go too crazy into it because it's her family and it's her story to tell. Yeah, I kind of just wanted to tell like the surface of it all. Good call for sure. Yeah. And you guys should follow her on Twitter

because she is constantly getting her sister's case out there. I actually just retweeted something of hers on my personal Twitter. Yes, so go follow her, guys. Definitely. I'll pull up her Twitter handle at the end of this. So it came out later while Sarah was digging through evidence that her father actually had sexually assaulted Lynette. Oh my God. It was never reported because during such a crazy time Lynette probably didn't want to cause

upset in the family or anything like that, but it allegedly did happen. So he sexually assaulted the sister? Mm-hmm. Oh my god. Yeah, and again, you can hear more about that on Sarah's podcast. Her podcast is amazing. Jesus.

It also came out that Mike quit his job toward the end of Barbara's battle with cancer, knowing so well that he would lose all of his benefits, including health insurance. I really don't know, like, who, you're not a human being. You're a monster. You're a legitimate monster. So unfortunately, Barbara passed away on February 28, 1993, and Mike Turnie requested

that no autopsy be performed, which is just a little strange in my opinion. Yeah, totally normal. Yeah, absolutely. And again, if you want to hear more about that whole beginning setup story, you really do have to go listen to Sarah's podcast. She fills in a lot of the blanks and a lot of questions that you're going to have. Her podcast is called Voices for Justice. Oh, yeah. I have heard of that. I've been meaning to listen to that.

It's really good. I'm glad I been meaning to listen to that. I'm glad. It's really good. I'm glad I have that to listen to you right after this. I know. So now I'm going to skip forward a little bit and tell you about May 27, 2001. Alyssa was 17 and Sarah was 12. It was the last day of school for kids in Arizona.

But Alyssa got picked up from school early and unfortunately disappeared later that day and still to this day has never been seen or heard from again. Like I said, her sister Sarah is now a huge advocate for Alyssa. She hosts the podcast, Voices for Justice, like I said before. If you want like a wildly informative deep dive and first hand accounts like phone calls, Mike Turnie is even on the podcast via phone call. Wow.

You need to go listen to it. But here's the rest of the story from like my understanding of what everything that I've listened to. So Alyssa was picked up early from school in Arizona on May 27th, 2001 by her stepfather, Mike. Alyssa and Sarah were the only two kids left in the house and Mike was apparently crazy strict with Alyissa, like claiming that she needed to be more protected and looked after because she had learning disabilities,

which was not true. He even went as far as to sue the school and set up an IEP for her because he wanted her to join the classes for kids with learning disabilities. What the hell is the end game here? But the teachers were like, she was like an average student. Like there was no indication that she had any learning disability whatsoever. So it's like, why, why?

The school informed him that if Alyssa did join these specific classes, that she would have to ride the bus with the children who also had learning disabilities, meaning she wouldn't be able to be on the bus with all her friends from her other classes, where she was doing just fine. Well, that's a thing and it's like there's just no reason

for this. If she had learning disability, sure. Right. Then yeah, like let's give the extra attention. But if she doesn't, why? And the school was like, no, she doesn't. And then like we kind of do this whole thing where school is kind of our job.

We kind of know about this. It's like our forte. It's kind of like our thing. I mean to me, it seems like he got some weird enjoyment out of making it seem like Alyssa wasn't as smart as her other siblings. Yeah, kind of like just making it so that she had negative attention on her. Right. Well, again, it's some kind of isolation. Like you're taking her with her friends, you're putting her in these classes where she doesn't need to be. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, really is another abusive form of isolation. Absolutely, and it's just like fucked up.

Yeah. According to Sarah, Alyssa's sister, Mike made these big charts that were rules for Alyssa, that he hung up in the house to quote, remind Alyssa, since he said she had issues with her memory. Okay, this shit is weird. It's so weird. It's so uncomfortable. Because even if you have multiple children and one or two of them needs more attention,

you make it so all of them do it together. Yeah, you don't make it so obvious that one of them needs this special attention or needs to be told because they're not as, you know, on the ball as the other ones. Right. It just seems like even if this was the case, which it's obviously not,

right, that would be the complete wrong way to go about this. 100%. Because you're making her feel like an outsider. Again, isolation. Well, and that's exactly what I said. I was like, to me, it sounds like he just wanted to isolate her from her family too. And what better way to do that?

And bring down herself a steam. Oh yeah, 100%. There's like videos of, and he claims that no one was allowed to use the word stupid or idiot or anything like that. And then there's fucking home videos of him going, Oh, this is a stupid moron. And she turns around in the video and calls him a pervert. Good for her.

Which is very, very interesting. You don't just call your father figure a pervert. No, not at all. For no good reason. No, something was going on. He also surveilled Alyssa during basically every moment of her life, especially when she became a teenager. Yeah. Mike made it seem like Alyssa was like this crazy wild child to did drugs, skipped class, stayed out late. But her sister Sarah said that she was pretty typical for a teen,

like she tried smoking weed and maybe drank here and there, but it was just like experimenting. She was 17 years old. Like which of us didn't try like some alcohol at that time? You know, she wasn't Jasmine Richardson. No, she wasn't like blowing lines and fucking hanging out at the strip club. Like she was just living her 17 year old life.

It's exactly what I was doing at 17. Mike didn't feel the same. He had video cameras set up and vents around the house to keep tabs on her. No, wrong. No, yeah. I mean, my kids are gonna have like GPS trackers on them, but I'm not gonna survey them.

No, I'm not gonna watch them like, completely. He had a system that recorded all the phone calls, like I said, that went in the home or like in going or outgoing phone calls that surveyed everything, that's insane. And he even went as far as to follow her to her job at the Jack in the Box and tape her there.

What would be the purpose of that? I like to make sure that she was there. But it's like, why are you, like you can go and make sure she's there. You don't have to videotape it. It's one thing to be like, I don't know if she's going to her job, like whatever kids do, super chit. And you wanna make sure she's there. You don't have to videotape it. It's one thing to be like, I don't know if she's going to her job, like whatever kids do, stupid shit.

And you wanna make sure she's going to her job every day and you follow me. Okay, she got there, she's in there. What the fuck are you videotaping? She's already there, she's there. She's there, that's it. And there's videos of it online and it's like chilling as fuck.

She was like, like she'll be doing something and she'll see him, I think, and she goes like away, away out of camera frame. Which is crazy because that makes it seem like that was so normalized to her, that behavior. Like he just films me. Oh, well if you go, if you watch the video, it's fucking terrifying because at the end she comes out of the Jack in the box and she's like, Dad, you got me in trouble. And he's like, what do you mean?

And her manager was like, your dad can't do that. Yeah. And she was like, you know, I told him, you're just excited because it's my first job. Okay, let me drive. Like, this was so fucking normal, Tucker. Like, super casual. Yeah, I just told him that you were filming me for this reason.

Right. We all know what. It's like, no. No. No, normal at all. Fucked up. Horrible that you had to grow up that way. Like, so sad. This poor girl. You know that you had to grow up that way like so sad

This poor girl, you know, I know these kids poor kids. It's awful It kind of reminds me of the Susan Powell case with the video taping. Yeah, I was actually thinking about that Yeah, it's weird So back to the last day of school Mike picks up Sarah from Paradise Valley high school early But never told anybody that he planned to pick her up early high school early, but never told anybody that he planned to pick her up early. He later says that he picked up Alyssa early per her request because she was planning to break up with her boyfriend that day and was avoiding him in the meantime. That wasn't true because she had plans later that day to go to a party and her boyfriend was going to be there. So it's like, no. And when she was leaving school,

she ducked her head into his classroom, and was like, oh, I'm leaving early, like see you later. Yeah, so that doesn't make sense. They were fine. Yeah, she was clearly not trying to avoid him. No, and anyone who knew them said it's just not true. She and her boyfriend were doing completely fine. Really?

So Mike says that he took a list at a lunch and that they got into an argument about her wanting more leniency with the rules. And this is so gross. He said something along the lines of, you have to live by daddy's rules or when they got home, she stormed into her room and he left to pick up his other daughter, Sarah. Now Sarah, who reminds you, was 12 years old. She went to like a water park for the last day of school and she was supposed to be picked up by her dad. Okay. Like, I don't know if she was supposed to be picked up at the water park or school, but he was supposed to be there at a certain time to pick her up. Doesn't show.

That's fucked. Doesn't show up to pick her up. Are you kidding me? So she's like, hella confused when he didn't 12. And 12 when he didn't show up to pick her up, but she was in seventh grade. So she went to hang out with her friends and smoke cigarettes, because that's what you do when your parents forget about you. Yeah.

Trust me. I'm an expert. She remembers being really nervous when she did get into his car when he finally did fucking pick her up because she was nervous that he was going to smell cigarettes on her. And it was like a number one rule in their house that like no smoking was allowed. Oh, because they're not died of cancer. I can say. But he was too preoccupied. He had, he didn't notice at all.

He was telling her about him in a listless fight and how he was worried because she wasn't picking up the phone. He had Sarah call Alyssa multiple times but Alyssa never answered. So when they get back home Sarah runs to Alyssa's room, finds it a fucking mess which was completely unlike Alyssa. Like she was very neat, I don't know if it was like the rules but like she was very neat and tidy. Her backpack was open, everything that was previously inside the backpack was strewn about on the floor, and a note was left for them. 100% analysis, very distinct handwriting. The note said, wasn't dated, by the way, the note is not dated. Okay. But it does say, Dad and Sarah, when you dropped me off at school today, I decided that I really am going to California. Sarah you said you didn't want me

around look you got it I'm gone. That's why I saved my money. Dad I took $300 from you. Alyssa, but that was not dated. Not dated which I think is important. Yeah, I'm not good to have later. Yeah, because I have a I have a thought I have a theory so they call her a theory. I have a theory who watched Buffy Once again, I was just singing a long So they call herself again, and they realize that it's sitting on her dresser So wherever she ran off to she didn't bring herself home. Yeah, that doesn't make sense or her makeup or her hairbrush Or her fucking school shit, she left with nothing. So literally everything was left.

Everything was left. Like toothbrush on that. Everything. She didn't have anything on her. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. No toothbrush, no hairbrush, no nothing. Also, she had a bank account set up and in the bank account was $1800, which personally, in my mind,

that's like a lot of money for some. I was just gonna say, like good for her, saving that much money. She didn't take a penny of it. Yeah. And it was remained untouched until I think Mike touched it at some point, but it was remained untouched from like any outside source. Okay, that's usually a bad thing. Yeah.

And while we're on that point, why would she have taken $300 from Mike if she had $1800 of her own? Exactly. Right. So Mike calls us to set up why that bank account isn't being touched. Right. Just put it out there. Yep, exactly. So Mike called the police and he told them about Alyssa while he was being calm, cool, and collected. He didn't make it seem like a big deal just that she had run away, left to know,

and it was probably going to California to stay with her aunt, which had originally been her plan for the summer. She was supposed to go out and stay with her maternal aunt, but then I don't know if Mike said like she couldn't or if they were still working on that, but something fell through. Yes.

So no formal search party went looking for Alyssa that night. No Amber alert was put out. She just vanished and law enforcement seemed to accept the fact that she was around away. That always makes me insane. Like she's a 17 year old girl. No matter what. So what if you're wrong and she did run away, Expend all the resources. Well, and find her and have her tell you that herself. Exactly. I would rather them overreact than underreact. And when they underreact, it goes up my ass sideways. Because she's a 17 year old. Sure, she could be a runaway.

But overreact. Expend all the resources. 100% because you know what? It's like, well, okay, we spend all that money in that time. And here she is. Right. It's better than being like, well, she's probably fine and then having somebody murder her. Exactly. Oh, it drives me nuts. So back to the, back to the note. If she, it makes a lot of people wonder if there was no date on it, if she wrote it at a different time and then never acted on leaving, that's what I wondered. And maybe Mike found it and saved it and used it to his advantage. Or maybe someone made her write that note, like in the midst of whatever was going on.

Yeah, I could believe both of those things. The first one makes me feel like she, because with all the shit going on in that house, I could see her suddenly being like, you know what, today's the day. I'm leaving 100% writing that never giving it. And then it finds it because he's in all her shit anyways. And then just holding on to it, thinking this is a perfect, perfect little alibi. Yep. Because he's a douchebag. Woo. So about a week after Alyssa, quote, ran away, Mike called the police and said that

he had received a phone call from Alyssa. He said the phone call was scrambled. And that when he said, is this you Alyssa, she replied with a few cuss words, said, leave me alone and then hung up the phone. Convenient. Why would she even bother calling if that's all she was going to say? And it's like, if this all went down the way he's saying it did, yeah, that they just had a disagreement over, you know, like the rules being slacked a little. Is this really how it's gonna go down? She's gonna call you from a scrambled random phone and be like, you know, you know.

And you know, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, leave me alone. Like, no, it doesn't make any sense. It's not a proportionate response. No. Well, according to him, he told the police what happened and he asked them if they could trace the call and they were like, nope, sorry, can't help you.

Oh, good. He says the police were no help at all to him and that he had to take a list his case on himself to hopefully figure out what had happened to her. Interesting side note, Mike himself had been a police deputy in the 70s. I am shocked. Mm-hmm. Shocked, I tell you. Well, and so you would think that the police would be eager to help him. Like a fellow policeman. A fellow policeman. They're owned, of course.

Right. But apparently they weren't. Um, also, keep in mind, maybe Mike just knew all the right things to say to make it seem to the police, like this was just a runaway case. That's all it was. Somebody who is a former law enforcement officer would know these things. Yep. But then he knew that to everybody else, he had to make it look like he was this grieving

father and he was so upset and blah blah blah blah. Of course. And that's what Sarah believed. She said whenever he spoke to the police, it was brief and he really harped on the runaway thing, but then when he talked to family members or friends, he played the card of the grieving father and said he thought something awful happen to Alyssa. And how convenient of a former police officer knowing that by using that the old, the police are no help, they're not doing anything. People are going to go, oh, of course, exactly.

People are going to believe that because he knows as a former police officer himself, he's probably dealt with it with people underestimating what you do. It's just the way it goes. Very convenient. He has all the fucking ins and outs. He does. So back to that phone call that happened a week after Alice had vanished.

Yes, I'm interested. Mike actually ends up, he's been in like a crazy amount of lawsuits, and this is just another one. He ends up suing the phone company to figure out where the call had been made from. And interestingly enough, it did turn out that the call really did come up, come from a pay phone in Riverside County, California. Okay. So that is weird. That's very weird. Nothing really ever comes of that. Oh, it's just like a weird kind of thing that happened. But and that's odd. You think that would be like, yeah, really harped on. Mm-hmm. So Mike says that

after that, he went out there and handed out flyers of Alissa, asked if anybody knew anything, but no one in California or Arizona had any answers for him. Okay. So the case really was at a dead end from basically when it fucking started until 2006. Okay. And finally, 2006, the attorney family thought that they were going to get some answers. Oh shit, what happened? A man already serving a life sentence in prison for murder confessed to killing Alyssa. Oh Jesus. So this man's name was Thomas Heimer. His nickname was apparently Psycho.

Oh that's very casual. Awesome. He was arrested in Georgia for the murder of Sandra Lee Goodman who was 30 years old. Her body had been found, unfortunately, under a bed at a motel in Fort Lauderdale. Oh, boy. I feel like that's very familiar. I may know that case. You might. Yeah. She had been stabbed in the neck and strangled. Oh, he. In there. In there. In their psycho. Yeah, psycho was fuck. When they arrested Thomas Heimer, who was 26 at the time of this murder.

Jesus. He was driving her car. The victim's car. So that's just a little sign of that. Dumb criminal of the century. Yeah, he doesn't seem very smart. So after being sentenced to a life, uh, sorry, after being sentenced to life in prison, Heimer confessed to killing 21 women. Oh my god. He- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- confes- conf take everything that Psycho says to be trans Bible here. So when he confesses to killing Alyssa, detectives say what exactly happened that night. And also they show Hymer a lineup of women

where he does successfully point out Alyssa's picture. So he claimed that he and Alyssa met and that they'd had sex in some hotel and that she had quote, unusual sexual traits. She was a heroin addict. He. She was a heroin addict. He said she was a heroin addict. And after he murdered her, he disposed of her body in a way that ensured that she would never be found. He dismembered her in a bathtub and dumped her body in some like recycled place. Holy shit. Yeah. He also claimed that he stole jewelry off of her

and gifted it to some of his ex-girlfriends. So the detectives start talking to people to confirm that there was, and they, sorry, detectives start talking to people and they confirm that there was absolutely no way a lesson was a heroin addict. First of all, she's under surveillance 24 fucking cents. Absolutely. Her dad would 100% know if she was on heroin. Yep.

There was no marks on her arms. She had plenty of friends. Like everyone was like, that's ridiculous. Yep. There was no marks on her arms. She had plenty of friends. Like everyone was like, that's ridiculous. Yeah. There's no way. Yeah. I feel like somebody in your life would know. Yeah.

That's not. They spoke to her boyfriend and he was like, nope. She has no unusual sexual traits. That's not true. And then they speak to Heimer's ex-girlfriends and none of them remember receiving any kind of jewelry from him. So this guy is like a Henry Lucas on his tool kind of bullshitter that just decides to make shit up. 100% cool. You know prison sparring I guess. Yeah, fuck those guys.

So detectives decide to give Heimer a polygraph which he fails. And when Detective Zero in on him, he changes his story and he's like, you know what? Maybe it wasn't a list that I killed after all. That probably wasn't it. And police think that he must have like seen her picture in the newspaper before all of this. And that's why he was able to identify her. That makes sense. I was wondering if that was a possibility.

The only good thing about this is that it kind of sheds a little bit more light on this case and it kind of gets things going again. Yeah, that's true. Because it's been back into the five years of nothing. And then this happens. So detectives start talking more and more to Alyssa's friends and family.

And while talking to them, they find a little more out about Mike and Alyssa's dynamic. And they find out about the surveillance in the home, the monitored phone calls, et cetera. And then Mike actually sends them videos he had of Alyssa making out with her boyfriend on the couch. I hate that so much. Like why do you have those videos that's such a private thing?

That is creepy as fun. And why are you, it's just so weird. So you're literally just voyeuristically watching her make out with her boyfriend. Right. And in my opinion, he probably gave them to the police to be like look at our boyfriend like maybe that's where he answers look. She is a boyfriend. Right. And as a former law enforcement officer, he knows that's one of the first places you look. Mm-hmm. As the boyfriend. When the police asked him about the surveillance from the day that Alyssa went missing, guess what Mike said. Don't have that. He reviewed it already himself and

there was nothing suspicious on the tape, so he was not going to give it to them. Oh good, okay. Yeah, totally. That's fine. That's good trust. Absolutely. It's totally fine.

Wow. Essentially everyone in the Turnie family was telling everything they knew to the police, and they were trying to, their hardest to get a list of found, except for Mike. He like, wouldn't fucking say anything. He was just shutting shit down. Yep. Even Alyssa's friends and boyfriend, John Lackman, were being cooperative.

During an interview with the boyfriend, John Lackman, the police find out that maybe there was some kind of sexual abuse going on in the home. John tells them that Alyssa once told him about a time when she was younger, where Mike picked her up early from school. Oh, I'm already upset about that. Drove out to some unoccupied area and tried to quote fool around with her.

Oh my God. But she got aggressive with him and somehow got out of it. Good for her. He also tells police that Mike had once taken him aside to tell him that Alyssa was cheating on him. Whoa, that's some jealous shit. Yup, and that was one of the only significant fights that he and Alyssa had ever been in.

Oh my God. Why would your fucking dad pull your significant other aside to tell you that, like, oh, my daughter is cheating on you? Like, even if that was the truth, what the hell? Right, like your dad isn't supposed to be the one doing that. No, exactly not. What? But one, he was probably jealous.

Oh, 100%. Two. Wanted to cause some kind of tension to break them up. Yup. Three. Isolating her more. Yup. That is 100% what it was.

He's a fucking terrifying individual. Holy shit. So with all this information, the police tried to start kind of talking more and more to Mike, but it's clear that he has some kind of paranoia when it comes to speaking to police. He'll communicate. Yeah, it's so weird. He'll communicate like here and there via email. Because that's controlled.

Yep, but it's nearly impossible to get anything out of him face to face. Yeah, that's not shocking at all. Something he does tell them strikes them as odd. In the 80s, he tells them that he worked in a union as an electrician. And during this time working here, he filed some kind of complaint about, like,

unsafe or unfit working conditions, and he eventually leaves. But, like, throughout his whole life, he's always talked about this union and acted like they had some kind of vendetta against him. Hmm. So he says, maybe this union has something to do with a list of disappearance.

And at that point, it becomes clear to police that they're dealing with some kind of like personality disorder or like emotional disorder. Yeah. And just the fact that Mike surveilled every last space of his home inside, outside phone, fucking everywhere, was had surveillance, it's so weird. and just the fact that he

had to know where Alyssa was at every waking moment, it tells them like this whole different story. Because that's way beyond like even helicopter parenting. I mean like it's one thing you of course want to know where your kid is. Using surveillance on the time in the vents is real beyond. And it paints a totally different picture than the one that Mike wanted to surveillance on the metal. In the events is real beyond, real beyond. And it paints a totally different picture than the one that Mike wanted to betray of himself. He wanted to be like, I'm this single father,

I'm a widower, I'm so sad, like blah, blah, blah. But that wasn't what it was. No. Your kids do come into this world with a right to privacy. Yeah, you do. It's like, of course you want to know what your kids are doing like I'm gonna want to know what my kids are doing at all times But they do have a reasonable right to privacy and some points you need to give them some kind of Relay or else they're gonna it's gonna

Revolve in your face or it's you know you're gonna see stuff you don't want to see right? You don't want to watch them making out with their boyfriend? No, what part of you wants to fucking trust? You just get a trust that they're being smart, you know? Like that you got to teach them things and then let them loose and hope that you did the right thing. Right. Exactly. Boy. Mike wasn't interested in that part. No, apparently not. So the police actually reached out at one point to a forensic psychologist and that psychologist agreed that Mike absolutely had some kind of personality disorder or emotional disorder. Yeah, it seems it.

In 2008, police get a search warrant for the turni home hoping they can get some kind of audio or video footage that will finally get the answers, but they had no fucking idea what they were going to find. Oh my god. They did know that Mike had a lot of firearms like he was into firearms, so they did bring a SWAT team. Thank god.. Oh geez. So their plan was to detain him, get what they needed to go out of the home like documents, footage, whatever, maybe some handwriting samples and DNA from Mike. Simple. Yeah. Nope. They go out to the turning home. Mike is walking to the mailbox. They detain him and on his person find two pistols, seven magazines and a knife. Isn't that what you take to the mailbox every day?

He just on his person. Like that's... Well, you never know what you'll encounter on your way to the eighth of mailbox. Like that is paranoia to the eighth of the mailbox. Holy shit. You are getting your mail. I walk around with mace on my keys And I thought that was pretty intense half the time I forget to put my fucking keys in between my fingers and a parking garage like Mike That's a lot is going on

So they go inside to see what's inside I bet they wish they hadn't because it is insane in the house. There's like shit strewn everywhere It's like a fucking mess. And they find 19 guns, two silencers, 26 pipe bombs, and a manifesto entitled The Diary of a Madman martyr. Yeah, I'd say something's going on here. Yep. Seems dark. So if that wasn't enough, they also found strange documents that were signed by Alyssa, stating that Mike had never physically or sexually assaulted her.

No. Like, this is real bad. He had written up all these. And apparently, this was something that he did. Like, he wrote up things and made people sign them. And he wrote up this document stating that he had never physically or sexually abused Alyssa and her initials are next to it.

Like he made her fucking sign it. I am willing to bet that was signed under duress. Oh, 100%. I'm willing to put a lot of money on that. 100%. And it's like, oh, that's horrifying. Can you imagine this? Would you ever, ever feel the need to write that?

If you didn't do anything, why the hell would you ever need your kid to sign something saying you didn't do anything? You wouldn't at all. This would never even into your realm of being. And that's like another example. There's another example of him doing something like that where it's like, you don't need to do that

if you didn't do anything. He also had at one point, I didn't write this whole thing down. I'm just kind of talking from what I remember. He had called CPS and warned them that like a Lissa was going to file some kind of complaint. Oh, that's bad. If she did, that like, it wasn't true. Yeah. See, anytime that shit is going on, it's like, yeah, that needs to be looked into, man. Wait, it's just so weird. You just think of like this, this environment, man, these poor kids. I can't imagine. They also in Mike's bedroom find a shit ton

of bondage porn videos. And I think one of the scariest discoveries that they find is a snuff video, which had been edited to loop over one specific scene like four times in the scene, a woman is bound, gagged, and killed on camera. Oh my, it like a legit snuff film? A legit snuff film.

Holy shit. And like, he edited it so that it's looped. That very scene is looped four times, so he would just watch it over and over. Okay, guys, I mean, like other than the pure fact that you're watching someone to get, like, to get off being murdered, like, that's what you're doing. It's like everyone has fetishes,

and we would never fetish shame because like you do you as long as you're not hurt. You're best life. As long as you're in a consensual situation where nobody is murder is not consensual. But getting off to murder, like actual murder,

watching somebody being murdered and getting off and you have to watch it over and over again. That's a problem. You're fucked in that. You need to talk to somebody. If that shit is your shit, you need to talk to somebody. Please. Because that's a sign. You're going to end up hurting somebody. Yeah, that's a problem. And that's fucked in that. You need to talk to somebody. If that shit is your shit, you need to talk to somebody. Please.

Because that's a sign. You're going to end up hurting somebody. Yeah, that's a sign. When you get, because think about it, it's like Ted Bundy, all these sexual sadists. They got off on watching somebody, dying or dead. It's not okay. The fact that that even exists in the world, like, her makes my heart hurt. That's scary.

So other than the fact that that's just in and of itself. Because again, bondage and all that. Yeah. That's totally, like, we're not saying that's weird at all. Like, you do you. That's fine. As long as nobody's getting murdered in your porn,

Snuff films, totally different situation. Not okay. That's fucked. Fucked up. Yeah. I stand by that. I will never, I will never move from the podium with Snuff films or not.

Yep. I'm willing to say that. Everything else, as long as nobody's getting murdered or like hurt in your, whatever you're watching to serve your duties, live your life. Yeah, it's all consensual and all that fun stuff. So if that wasn't enough in and of itself that there was that video there. God, I didn't know this.

Alyssa had told her friends that she one time woke up, tied to a chair, gagged, and that Mike was on top of her. I, my heart just stopped. Yup, that's horrific. And then, if that's not enough, my God, this poor child. There's also a story where Mike's nephew, David, had been staying with the family

between 1998 and 1999. And he was staying with them. So we got home from work one night and popped in a video to the uh, what's it called a VHS player? Yes. I had to ask Annie. I was like, what is that called? And that's what she said and I was like, no, that doesn't sound right. There's the there's the generational difference right there. Like what's that thing that played video? I feel like it is. So he pops it into the VHS. It's label Dr. Doolittle. Oh no, and it wasn't Dr. Doolittle? Nope.

He was horrified to see what he was pretty sure was Alyssa lying on the couch with nothing but shorts on and her face covered with a newspaper. And then another clip. I hate this so much. Another clip directly after that of another woman in the same position with her face covered and Mike sitting in the room. Just sitting in the room. Just sitting in the same position with her face covered and Mike sitting in the room. Just sitting in the room. Just sitting in the room. That's not Dr. Doolittle. David packed his shit up that night and left.

Good. He was like, Fuck that. Good bye. Because you know what? I would do the exact same thing. Mm-hmm. And then I would call the fucking police. Well, I think he tried to and I think, or I don't know what he tried to do, but he told people. He told people. Get out of there. And Mike was like, no, he's a drunk.

He's like, don't believe him. Oh, yeah, of course. There's no doubt that Mike was going to go to that union hall and commit some kind of terrifying act of domestic terrorism. It seems so. Yep. But was his motive actually because of Alyssa, or is he just a straight up psychopath?

I would make a guess, but I'm gonna let you talk. So, and then if does he actually believe that this union hall has something to do with Alyssa's disappearance, why is he just coming out with this seven years after she's gone missing? Yeah, that's what doesn't make sense. If you really thought that they had something to do with her disappearance, you would have said that seven years ago. Absolutely. And done anything in your power to get your supposed daughter home. Immediately, you would have said that seven years ago. Absolutely. And done anything in your power to get your supposed daughter home. Immediately, you would have said that.

So according to him, according to Mike, there were no bombs in his home. Only fireworks and things to make a loud noise for when he blew his own head off. No. Like, let me make myself a victim now. I was planning on just killing myself. He says the police planted all the bombs in his home to frame him. He also apparently at one point said that he was going to the Union Hall to kill himself, not to harm anyone else.

And the reason he was going to do this was to bring attention to Alyssa's case. I feel like there's better ways to do that. Like, okay buddy, that's not what you were going to do. I don't know. I feel like you, that whole martyr thing is definitely fitting very well for him. Yeah. One thing that like, really sent chills down my spine

is there's this part in 2020 documentary where Mike is being confronted about all the allegations of sexual abuse. For one thing, he looks to the side a lot when people, when he's asked a question. That's very telling. And like, yes, I understand. Like, people react differently in situations. But if you're looking to the sides a lot when people, when he's asked a question. That's very telling. And like, yes, I understand. Yeah.

People react differently in situations. But if you're looking to the sides and like kind of, you have like this smirk on your face, you're a fucking liar. And also, you're not giving people any reason to believe you when you're in a shifty. But he says, there's only two people that confirm whether I did or didn't. One person is me and the other is Alyssa. Alyssa isn't here and I'm sitting here and all I can say until health freezes over as I didn't do a damn thing to my daughter. To me the way he words it is like I'm here to tell you and Alyssa can't because I fucking

took care of that. Yeah I made it so she can't be here to tell you. And it's just a way that he says it. It's like you hmm, you know, like, he's like, I'm here, Alyssa's not. And technically Alyssa is not his biological daughter, correct? No, he's not. So that was a very convenient way of wording it. Yeah. Not I didn't do a damn thing to Alyssa.

I didn't do a damn thing to my daughter. And it's like, hmm, and it's like, maybe that's true. Right, maybe he didn't do a damn thing to his daughter, but he didn't say. But Alyssa. He didn't say, yeah, thing to his daughter, but he didn't say. He didn't say, yeah. So in his mind, he might be telling the truth there. Right.

So he was sentenced to 10 years in 2010, but only served seven years of that sentence. And that was for like the pipe bomb shit and everything. He still has never been tried in the case of a list of attorneys' disappearance, but he does remain the main suspect or a person of interest. I know they're different. Yeah. The police are interested in him. Yeah. The police want to talk to him. Yeah. Alissa hasn't been heard from since she disappeared and no one has ever seen her again. In 2003, a hiker did find bones while hiking in a desert in

California. Strangely enough, this specific area mentioned in Mike's manifesto, and Sarah had found a map in the home with the coordinates of this exact area where the bones were found. I mean, they were tested, but they were unable to be identified. Oh, Mike's daughter Sarah at first believed that her father had nothing to do with Alyssa's disappearance. But after hearing all the evidence against her father, she changed her mind, and now she spends her time dedicated to Alyssa's case. It's her man.

It's her full-time job. Good for her. She was told by police that all she can do at this time is spread the word and get more people aware of this, and hopefully they'll be able to do something someday. Wow. So like I mentioned before, I listened to Sarah's podcast, Voices for Justice, which you have to listen to. Like everybody please go listen to that.

I just followed it on Twitter. My personal. I did too. We actually already followed it on more videos. On the more video I saw that, but I wanted to follow them, my personal. Yeah, it's amazing. I also watched the 2020 special. I listened to another podcast called Voice of the Victim podcast.

Oh, that's a great one. And I watched two YouTube videos, which were George's midweek mystery episode and Kendal Reyes, where is video on Alyssa Marie Turnney? Nice. So those are my sources. You like demolished that. My god, thanks. I tried. I was riveted. I was just like so interested in it It's so funny. I was on the discover page of Instagram one night because I like flick through and I thought that I was on my personal Account and I was like looking for makeup videos and shit But actually I was on our account and I saw this tweet and it was one of Sarah's tweets and it got me interested And then I started looking at her Instagram and I went down the fucking rabbit hole. Oh yeah. I was like I have to cover this case. This case really is. And her Sarah Turnie's Twitter is Sarah. It's at S-A-R-A-H-E-T-U-R-N-E-Y.

So her name and it's Sarah with an H-E-Ternie. Go follow her because she constantly updates this case. That's because we follow her on morbid and I always see it. So yeah, go follow her. I'm wondering if they ever got a forensic anthropologist to look at those bones. I don't know exactly what because it's just mentioned briefly on the 2020 episode. And I'm actually still listening to Sarah's podcast. I haven't got enough in it. But there are some wild things in this case. There's a, I don't know if it's a phone call, but Sarah mentions that she spoke to her dad

and that he told her if she wants to hear if he's responsible or not to be there when he dies. Like be next to my dad. Oh, I don't even know that. And you'll get your answer. Or you'll get your answer. That to me. That's a fucking confession. What innocent person says that? Be at my deathbed and I'll let your answer. You'll get your answer. That to me. That's a fucking confession.

What innocent person says that? Be at my deathbed and I'll let you know. What innocent person says, be at my deathbed and you'll get your answer? No, an innocent person is going to go, that is the answer. And then there was another instance where he said he would tell them the whole story if law enforcement agreed to give him lethal injection within 10 days. So you're not giving the full story. You just admitted you haven't given the full story. Right, exactly. What the fuck?

And why do you need to be killed after you give the whole fucking story? Oh, because you did it and you don't want to rot in jail. This is horrific. It's horrible. And it must feel so incredibly helpless. Yeah, like Sarah and her family and friends, like, they must just be sitting there just wanting to scream. Because they know. And it's like, what can you do?

Just walking around free. And there's a bunch of other shit that's in this case. You have to have to have to go listen to Sarah's podcast. Yeah. Everybody go listen to that because the more people who find out about this case, hopefully the more, hopefully that can be done about it. And hopefully law enforcement will take it even more seriously Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh, this is that's infuriating. There's also I know she's trying to get raised money for billboards right now

It's all in her Twitter. So if you are able to please go donate to that She's not asking for a lot of money Whatever you can donate. No, we're totally gonna do that. We're absolutely gonna do it right after we stop recording Yeah, because this is a case that has answers, and if law enforcement is able to reopen it, or I mean, I believe it's an open case, but just give it more attention, and get more people asking about it.

I mean, look what people, look what people did for Rodney Reed. Exactly. Just being able to allocate more resources to it, and everything, like the money is gonna help that. So, money attention, anything we can do. Yeah, I want to do everything so shit That was the case of the disappearance of a listener attorney Unbelievable, yes, thanks. You did great. You scuba down that one. I tried to school really fun

I don't want to say fun like it was so fun looking horrible But it was like there's more there more. Going down rabbit holes is fun. It's like you just keep branching off and a different things. But yeah, that's a crazy case. So everybody go follow the Twitter, listen to the podcast. Yes. All that good stuff.

And we can link some of it on our Instagram and Twitter and all that will plug Sarah's social media. Yeah, for sure. So head over to our Instagram and our Twitter and all that good stuff. You'll see all the pictures that we can put up the case and all the good stuff But yeah, so in the meantime you can follow us on Instagram at morbid podcast, set us up on Twitter a morbid podcast

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