Morbid - Episode 12: Australian Madness Volume 1

Episode Date: August 10, 2018

Everyone knows that Australia does things bigger and scarier than most anyone else on this big floating space rock. I mean, have you see a Huntsman Spider??? Google it. I'll wait. Today's episode is the first in a series (not back to back) where we will take a look at some of Australia's worst crimes. Tonight's cases are Ivan Milat "The Backpacker Killer" and the horrific murder of Anita Cobby. Keep the Vegemite at home because, this is a rough one. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Crocodile Dundee. Was that even a little bit Australian? I don't know, let me know. That was a lot of cliche Australian shit. I hope we didn't just lose all our listeners from Australia. Come back, Australians. We love you a lot of cliche Australian shit. I hope we didn't just lose all our listeners from Australia come back Australia and we love you We were gonna talk about something specific and I can't remember what. Dead air.

I can't remember what it was. Maybe it'll come to me. You were gonna say on air that if anything God forbid happens to you I get all your money. No. No? I was not going to say that. I don't know, I thought so. Not at all.

Well, either way, it's been a minute. Yeah, I feel like it's been a long time. It has. We're a little late in the week. It's like low key my fault. It's totally her fault. It's also your kids fault. I know, it totally is. Your kids fault.

It was first your fault and then it was my kids fault. That's true. Yeah. But either way, we're here. Do you want to just cut the small talk and just be like, Hey, let's go. We'll just do this. You know what guys, you waited long enough. Yeah. You don't know what?

You know what? We'll talk about all our business that we need to take care of at the end. So today we're talking about Australia. Australian killers. And also, this will not be the only Australian killer episode. We're going to keep them coming. Yeah, we're not going to do them back to back. We'll just kind of throw them in their willy nilly randomly.

And because just an Australian month month I'm sure some people would love that. Do you know what? I always say all Australian. It's just all Australian. It's just all, a you. I'm like all Australian. All Australian.

That's all the Australians. All Australians. You know, you know Australians. Oh, we just sniffled them sorry. God damn it. I want to have to edit that out. Oh, we always have to edit out my coughs and my ums and my yares and my sniffs and my pea sounds. Today I was like, I just pee a lot and then I was like, oh.

That means you're hydrated. But I'm gonna make yucky sounds. Oh, gross. I mean we're gonna, we're gonna get there's so many. I mean Australia is a brutal ass place I'm sure everybody has seen those videos and all those crazy ass critters that live down there Yeah, they got some wild shit like everything there is just like super sized and savage Yeah, like spiders the size of toddlers. Yeah, it's no joke

So like all you Australians who are listening, which I know there's some Australians listening because I look at our analytics. Shout out to you. So shout out to Australia, which I also have family members in Australia. What? We have like, we have like, um, like part of our ancestors went to Australia. What? How do you know that? Yeah, because I know that I know our family. Well, good thing one of us does. Yeah. We have, so I'm sure I know our family. Oh, good thing one of us does. Yeah, so I'm sure we have some family down there. I did not know that. But so yeah, so it's beautiful.

I totally want to visit. You guys are rad and you guys have some crazy ass crime down there. For reals. But so there's so many that we're definitely going to do a few more episodes that will just kind of sprinkle in some more. You guys... I know, I changed my channel to Australia.

Yeah, you guys also gave us a lot of really good suggestions when I threw it out there and we grabbed one of them. So we're gonna do that. I just grabbed it. I reached out and I grabbed it. Like... Like Ivan Milatz mustash looks like it would reach out and grab you. Look at that transition.

Look at that. Look at that. You look at 10 out of 10 just's skating across the ice I'm like a news anchor I can't think of a news anchor but I tried to for Savannah Guthrie yep I like Savannah Guthrie a lot of Spencer she's on sleeve I don't know what that is maybe that's her name I'm not positive you should watch flea market that's not a news anchor she's on Good Morning America though oh I was like that's a show I think she's on Good Morning America I don't watch I was like, that's a show. I think she's on Good Morning America. I don't watch Good Morning America. I'm a today's show girl. I just read CNN. This is a today's showhouse, okay. Well, we are Savannah Guthrie and Hota Copy. I love Hota. Also, Willie Geist. We are Willie Geist, how's it going? So we decided that we were gonna start with Oiven Malat. Was that a shillin? Because I don't think so. It was.

What was that? That was Australian. Try it again? Oiven Malat. Ooh, something touched me. Oh, it was a plant. Sorry. We're not outside. That's not Australian. It's Australian. They say like, oivan. Oivan, malat, mate. That's Australian. Okay. That's Australian. That's f***. I think you just added mate at the end. I think that I am Australian as f***. I think my ancestors in Australia just came through me and I became Australian for a second. That's pretty odd. Hopefully I didn't offend anyone. I think you might know. for a second. That's pretty odd. Hopefully I didn't offend anyone. I think you might know. No, I think it is. Listen to Case File, he has good Australian accent. Wait, where's the guy on? Um, Dr. Horace? Yes, he's New Zealand. Yeah. Okay. You don't want to confuse those students. I know. They're very different from New Zealand. Yeah,

they're very different. So both really cool accents though. They're similar accents, right? They are similar accents. right? They are similar accents. That's why people confuse them because the accents sound like both totally rad accents. So good job. So Ivan Malat, he was known as the backpacker killer. He was Australia's most notorious serial killer. For his mustache? Only for his mustache. I knew it. That was it. Without the mustache, she was super chill. You were nothing without that mustache.

Yeah, he was nothing without that mustache. That giant handlebar mustache. So in very tiny shorts, all the pictures of him, he's wearing very tiny shorts. Was it the 80s? It's unsettling. It was. That's why. So, yeah. Eight shirts are scary. But it's unsettling, I don't like it. Yeah, because you're like about to see us. Yeah, it's not okay. And he's like, I don't know. He just doesn't look right. He doesn't look right.

So he was convicted of killing seven people between the ages of 19 and 22 years old. So he had a pretty small demographic. I'm 22. Almost, there's almost definitely more than the seven that they know about out there. Sorry, I feel like I'm losing my voice a little, so I sound a little cracklier. I swear on air I get nervous and I start to sniffle and I start to lose my voice and I just get really sick on air. I'm really nervous guys. I'm so nervous. I was so nervous. Sorry. I was out. No, it was my noise. Oh I was like wow that was mean. Stupid noise.

That was so stupid. Hell there's water. I love it. There's an inflatable giraffe in the corner. Actually I was thinking about taking a picture of that and you can just podlaught things. Just podlaught things. Potter Instagram. So we should both pose next to. We really should. I think we'll probably post a photo of this flow of giraffe. We will.

Because why not? This is my house. So there's definitely more than the seven. I'm thinking they're already trying to attribute like a bunch of more cold cases to them. They keep popping up all the time. I can't know with the DNA. Right? See? Shit's gonna happen. Yeah, like I just want to really quick the April tinsley case. Yeah. Huge case from of course I'm not gonna remember how long ago it was because I don't have anything written down about it. It's a really awful case. I believe it was in the 80s.

And it was like an eight year old girl got abducted, raped, and murdered. Awful, awful, awful. She was so adorable too. And the killer was like writing messages afterwards saying he's going to kill again, admitting that he did it. And like leaving, he would leave like used condoms on playgrounds with a note saying like I'm gonna come get you again. Like he was a piece of absolute shit and they just caught him like 30 years later through the familial DNA thing. So hell yes for science. And I am so glad that

that family finally has closure. Oh my god. I can't even that case. We'll cover that case at some point just because they have the guy now and it's at least there's some kind of closure and it's a really awful case, but I think it's one that needs to be told. But yeah, so score one for DNA. Hell yeah. Score two. Score two. Yeah, score two for DNA. There's probably even five scores in this one. Yeah, there's a lot of scores, but two that we are talking about right now. So there's also one survivor of Ivan Relat. And do you know what his name is? Everyone? It's pretty awesome name.

I didn't know, but I read Elena's notes before this. She copies them. But you should do. All the damn time. It's time to say his name is Paul Onions. And we will get to him later. Yes, but we just wanted to throw that out there. So remember Paul Onions because he's gonna come up later. Ivan Milat's killing ground was which we mentioned last podcast because we were talking about woods

and shit. It was the I just did a really very unsettling dance, by the way. I love to hear you sing a line. Just so you know. Um, his killing album was the belanglo state forest in the southern portion of Australia between Sydney and Canberra. Fun fact, the horror movie Wolf Creek is loosely inspired by these events. Oh, damn. I saw Wolf Creek in the theater. I didn't.

It was a long time ago. Um, but it's a fucked up movie. So this guy's fucked up. Of course you went to see it in the theater. I didn't. It was a long time ago. But it's a fucked up movie. So this guy's fucked up. Of course you went to see it in the theater. Of course I did. So Ivan Robert Marco Molatt. Long name.

Right. It was born December 27th, 1944, which is a day before my birth today. All these correlations. So many correlations. He was born in Guildford, New South Wales, Australia. Oh my god, that's where you were born. Exactly. I mean, this might be me.

Crazy. Yeah. Hope not. I hope not, either. Let's see. All right. We don't know where this is going. It could be me.

Take me down the path. Yeah, let's do this. We'll go together. Journey with us. Santa-la-la. He was one of 14 children. Nope, not me. Fuck that. Also, way too many kids. Journey with us. He was one of 14 children, nope not me. Also way too many kids. Legitimately. Way too many kids. They could have their own reality show on TLC.

He was one of 14 children born to his father who was a Croatian immigrant named, sorry, Stephen Marco Steven quote, Malat. So they were just like, let's call you Steven. It works. And his mother, who was an Australian woman named Margaret Elizabeth Malat. I like that name Margaret. That is a cute name. It's a cute name. Shall I do your name for Margaret? Shout out all you Margaret's out there. The Milats were super like, you know, backwards. One might say. They were very inter-rural living. That's a very hard word to say.

Very much like Ash. Rural. Ash is so rural. I am rural as fuck. My fake Berkinstocks make me hello rural. Yes. Very rural. Rural. That's a very hard word to say. Rural. I am rural as fuck my fake Berkinstok's make me hello rural. Yes very rural. That's a very hard word to say. That's like the rural juror. Have you no you wouldn't know that. Somebody's gonna know that because somebody watched

30 Rock and appreciates that. Oh. Any rural juror. Just remember. Okay well anyone out there who watches the watched 30 Rock great show will know what I'm saying when I say rural Jorrer. I'm gonna start watching it. So I know watch it. So you know, it's a good joke So they were super isolated So it's it is kind of tough to get like reliable information about his childhood where they like survivalists kind of they were just kind of like Live in their lives in the backwoods of Australia. Like they were just like, we don't need you. But there have been interviews with his brother Boris to help, you know, piece the pieces together a little bit.

Why am I thinking of a duck named Boris? I don't know. Is that a thing? I don't really know. A duck named Boris. A duck named Boris. I can't help you. There's some show with a duck named Boris. I did not watch that show. I don't really know a duck named Boris a duck named Boris. I Can't help you. There's some show with a duck named Boris. I did not watch that show

You might be losing it, but it's okay. They got in so someone knows someone though So according to Boris not the duck the brother. Oh well I've been appeared to exhibit psychopathic sociopathic tendencies pretty early on But all of the other members of his family are like, no, he didn't, he's great. So, um, Malat was described as good looking, muscular, he loved hunting, and he really loved guns. He was like one of those people who loves guns. And he took, and he was also known to take very good care of his appearance, which shows

in that flawless mustache of his. His parents were hardworking and super strict, but they also had 14 fucking kids. So, Malat and his brothers were kind of like free-range kids. Where did he lie in the 14-do you know? I honestly don't know. I didn't write that down, which is weird, usually I do. But I don't know. He was in there somewhere. I mean, it just matters.

But they had a reputation for being troublemakers in the neighborhood. Because they were just kind of always... There's a lot of people in the parents couldn't watch all their kids so the kids just ended up being you know running amok. Amok amok amok. They're ended up being a lot of police visits to the farm as the children grew there. It just became more and more the problem.

So they were like little dicks. They were little dicks. You're a little dick. So from the age, you know, the little, little sidetrack here, I didn't want to call someone a dick in front of my kids the other day. So I called them a porch and it took a minute, but you got there. When I explained it to you, you were like, why the fuck would I ever make that reference by myself though? No, you wouldn't. No one would. But like in my head, it made you, you were like, why the fuck would I ever make that reference by myself though? No, you wouldn't. No one would.

But like in my head it made sense, because I was like that person, and see, because you say that's that guy's a porch, because he's a dick, but you don't want to say dick, and you wanted to say, like he's a dick, but you also thought that might be interpreted as dick by your kids, so you go to porch.

Mom, life brought to you by Elena. That's just a little tip for me to you. Misunderstood by Ash. Moving on. So from the age of about 17, Ivan was constantly in trouble with the police. Uh-oh. He had like various charges on his record from house breaking, home invasion, car thefts, and arm drobberies. And when I read house breaking, it made me think of like he was like a dog and he had a charge of like house breaking. I don't know why. 1971 at the age of 27 years old, Ivan was put on trial for the alleged rape of two female hitchhikers. Oh, no. Yeah, they testified that he threatened them with a very large hunting knife during the attack. He was acquitted on the rape charges when the prosecution failed basically to make a compelling case against him.

That's a shitty. Which is such a bummer. Because think about it. If you got convicted for that, who knows? Maybe none of these people would have died. Thanks a lot, Prasher Crucion. Prasher Crucion. Thanks Prasher Crucion. Sometimes when we're on air, I just can't tell. You just malfunction. You know that. So his known killing spree started in 1989. He was 45 years old, and it spanned until about

1992 from what we know. I was in alive, any of those years. Dear God. I like what we know. I wasn't alive any of those years. Dear God. I like to talk about when I wasn't alive. I was alive all those years. I feel old. Yeah. Ash is basically an embryo.

Well, actually, if I was around back then, and I was me right now, I would possibly be one of his victims because I'm 22. 22. Hello. possibly be one of his victims because I'm 22. 22. Yeah, but you wouldn't be backpacking. Get the fuck out of here. Like you'd be trekking through a forest.

Yeah, no. I tried to come up with a biode like argument. No, totally. No, you would not. You'd be Charlie Manson's victim. Yep, I'd be honest. You'd be on a bus. Yep. I stand by that. Sorry, Papa. I've never done I feel it. I'll see the bus. I've never done I said no, but you would have if you were back that for sure. For sure. Yeah. I'm glad we just know that. Absolutely. We just

accept that. So obviously his victim profile ranged. He was not one that just went after women. He didn't just go after men. He was just like, hey, if you're here and you have a backpack strap to you, you're done for. You're my dude. And it mostly seemed his murders were of just convenience. He would pick up a hitchhiker or see like an unsure, often foreign backpacker. And he would take advantage of the situation.

So it was always they kinda just, he was like kinda lazy. He was lazy. He was lazy. They would just fall into his lap. Yeah. They just fell right into his mustache trap. Exactly. Which is very easy to do. Never trust anyone with a mustache. Not with that kind of mustache. No, my personal opinion is most moustaches. I'm like, I don't know about you. Buddy. I don't know sometimes moustaches, then again, I think of like BTK had a mustache and he can literally go fuck himself, so.

There's legit you hate BTK so much. I do too. I have such a vendetta. Okay, that's BTK. There's like a whole thing, like that guy has a half-ile stash. That's true. I don't trust many guys with mustache. I'm sorry, y'all.

I mean, some of them are okay. I don't know. Honestly. I mean, if it's like. I don't know. Honestly. If it's like all what's it called when it's all together about stash and beard and some side chops Facial hair. I don't know. What is it like a goatee? A goatee? You put the wrong and fastest on the wrong level? A go-t. A go-t? Sounds like kind of drink.

A go-t? So go-t? A go-t is when it's like a mustache beat, like just chin beard. So circle around. Like one of those sensually. I'm making a very uncomfortable circular motion around. I'm just so fucking uncomfortable. It's just like, you know, I'm just gonna sit here and draw with my pulse of a virus.

I just by lips. I don't know why I felt like just drawing an oval around my lips. It feels satisfying. It feels satisfying. I feel like I'm getting what that is. Yeah. It's a go-tie. Oh a go-tie. I'm crying. There are tears in my eyes. Oh my god. I love making people laugh until I cry. I'm crying. I hope I'm making you laugh and traffic, but not too much that you crash. Yep. Definitely don't want that. I went there. Thanks for bringing it to us. Sorry. So Paul and his mustache. Nope, no.

I found it his mustache. I found it his mustache. This is not Paul I did yet. We have not gotten him. I did. I did. I did. So.

Woo, all right. So all in all, he killed two men and five women. OK, so you could say you had a little bit of a thing for women, but I think it was just they were there. Yep. So most victims were found, which is just like a weird little thing. Most victims were found with the zipper of their pants unzipped, but the top button still buttoned.

So he was just trying to make it look like he did something? I don't need anything. No, I think he did, I'm sure he did. But it was just weird that like, he always kept the top button button, because it was just weird that like he always kept the top button button because it was almost like he didn't, because somewhere undressed, like some didn't have pants on, so it's not like he was like shameful of like taking a pants off. Maybe he's just like another lazy ass.

I think it was literally a laziness thing. Yeah, like just on the fuck buttons are hard. Just get to where you need to get to, which is, he's a dick. Usually, the female victims were found with their shirts and brods pulled up like around their shoulders. Oh no. Which, it's like really aggressive and gross. Yeah. It indicates obviously that they were molested.

It's actually assaulted. And he often killed in pairs, which is crazy. Yeah, like that he was able to subdue two bloodlines. And in that. Yeah, two people at once. And in that he went after two people at once, because you always think when you're in a pair that you have an advantage, that nobody's really going to want to go after you if you're in a pair, but... What were his measurements? I don't know what his measurements were. 32 by what? I don't really know what he was, he was a big dude. He was big. Yeah, he was a big dude.

Okay, that's all I needed. And he was pretty like buff too. Yeah, you could look at him He was solid so that's pretty that's probably yeah If I can find his measurements I'll put them up on the Instagram caption it what were his measurements? Yeah, what were his measurements? His victims would be gagged tied up and Sometimes held on makeshift leashes. What yeah? So it was very important for Malat to feel in control held on makeshift leashes. What? Yeah. So it was very important for Malat to feel in control.

That's really part of his psychology is that he needs to be in control. He has a very real need for complete control. So he would make makeshift leashes out of like sash cords, like those little hook cords. Right. And he would use those to literally control the white dogs. Oh no no no. Which just brings so many awful images to the table. Yeah. So he had multiple methods of murder. He did not have one thing that he stuck to. He didn't just shoot them with his machine. No. He had some things that like he kind of seemed to like more than others.

But he didn't, he would stab, he would strangle, he would shoot, or he would beat seemed to like more than others, but he didn't he would stab he would strangle He would shoot or he would beat people to death. Oh my god. Yeah Sometimes he would even kill two people together in totally different ways. Wow. So like one person He would shoot and kill and the other person he'd strangle Like shit. But all his victims were stabbed in the torso at one point So that is one thing he did stick to with everything every single one was stabbed in the torso. Oh point. So that is one thing he did stick to with every single one was stabbed in the torso. So here are his victims. The first and second victims of Ivan Milat were Deborah Everest and James Gibson. They went missing in 1989 and they weren't discovered until October of 1993. Oh shit.

Yeah, this happened a lot because they were in such remote areas. So in October 1993, a local man named Bruce Prior discovered a human skull and a femur in a very remote section of the Blinglow State Forest. I literally never want to find human remains. I can't say that. I know, and that's why you're fucked up. It's just like a thing. I don't want that. I'm not saying that's why you're fucked up. It's just like a thing. I don't want that.

I'm not saying I want to. I'm just saying like... It would be cool. So I, in like the... I don't know if I can say that. I think I just don't want the hassle of having to be questioned after that. I just don't want the hassle of fucking nightmares afterwards. Yeah, because I don't think that would be my issue.

I think it would literally be like shit. Now I'm automatically... It would be cool. It would have to be questioned. Yeah, because I don't think that would be my issue. I think it would literally be like shit. Now I'm automatically have to be questioned. Like, and I don't want that hassle. So this guy Bruce Pryor, that found the human skull in the femur, he returned to the area with police. Good on him. And two bodies were very quickly discovered. And I done find a Deborah Everest and James Gibson. Gibson's skeleton showed eight stab wounds.

A large knife had cut through his upper spine, which would have caused paralysis. Oh my God. And this happened. This was another thing he did. He would cut to paralyze so they couldn't move, which is real fucked up. So he knew he was doing too because he hunted. Mm-hmm.

And he knew if I just said it in five. And it's like that whole thing, like, C5 stay alive. If you cut below the C5, Verna Bray, you'll stay alive, but you'll be paralyzed. Oh, fuck. So it's one of those things. Like anything above that, if you sever this spinal cord, you're in trouble because it controls what helps you breathe.

So you'll, you'll stop, you know, it'll be really difficult if not impossible for you to breathe. But below the C5 vertebrae, you can, you can still survive. I know that's a few. You're gonna be paralyzed. It's pretty low. So they would basically cut, he'd probably cut them in the lower back. I. And so this, so he had a lot, so Gibson had a large knife cut through the upper spine, which would have caused paralysis. And he had stab wounds in his back and chest that would have punctured his heart and lungs. Oh my God.

Yeah. Everest had been savagely beaten. That's the woman. Yeah. And he seemed to have like beaten the woman. More. Yeah, that's what I saw. Good a dickhead. Her skull was fractured in two places.

Her jaw was broken and there were knife marks on her fucking forehead. What? Yeah. So she had been stabbed in the fucking head. In the face. She had been stabbed once in the back as well. The presence of Gibson's body in Belanglo State

Forest was kind of weird to the investigators because they had found his backpack in camera. Like previously when they went missing they found the backpack in camera by the side of the road at Galston Gorge in northern Sydney suburbs which are like 75 miles to the north. So he took it with them? Yeah, I guess he must have dumped them somewhere else. And as you'll see, he does a lot of things with people's stuff. To like fuck with these things.

He likes to keep things from people. He's a trophy guy. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes sense because he's a hunter. It kind of makes sense with his ecology that he would want to keep trophies from his kills. Yeah, too. sense with his ecology that he would want to keep trophies from his kills. So Malat's third victim was Simone Midal. She was the only victim to be murdered alone, which is sad. And she went missing on January 20th 1991, which is my

brother's birthday, and was found on November 1st, 1993. Her skull was found in a clearing in the forest by police sergeant Jeff Trickter. The skull was later identified as that of Simone and she was from Reagan's Berg, Germany. So he did get a lot of tourists, which makes sense exactly. They're backpacking and they're unfamiliar with their surroundings. So they're kind of like ripe for the picking. She was last seen hitchhiking on January 20th 1991, the day she went missing, and clothing found it, her scene was not hers, but matched that of another missing backpack, a backpack. A backpack.

It matched a bag. We're not in Scotland this week. We are not. But we will go there. Hell yeah. Because Scotland rules. We're Scottish. We're Scottish.

And yeah, we have like a fucking clan and shit. We have a clan. We have a tart and we have a castle. A castle? We have a, I mean, Scotland has thistles. Yeah. Sure, we have a thistle. We have them.

We have thistles all over the place. And bagpipes for that matter. And bagpipes. But what they found here was not a bagpiper. But they found clothing-edged Simone's scene that was not Simone's, but actually was another missing backpackers named Anya Habshid. Did he kill her too? We will see. So Simone's skeleton showed at least eight stab wounds and two had severed her spine. Others had punctured her

heart and lungs. So it seems like he really knew where he was going with these stab wounds. So the fourth and fifth victims were former German soldier, Gabor Nigbauer, and his girlfriend, Anya Habsheet. So they were missing since December 1991 and were discovered on November 3rd, 1993. Their bodies were in shallow graves, about 160 feet apart. Oh, that's so sad.

I know. I hate it. I hate it, a mad... No, I am. She just had emotions right now. I did. She sat in my fields. I feel couples like get killed in general.

Yeah, that's about me. And then I can get separated. Yeah, that's no good. So fucking evil. Well, Gabber was likely strangled because they know this because that was the man. Okay. And he was a former German soldier. That's what I was thinking. He was a comment on that. So they know this because he had a fractured hyoid bone, which is like a free floating bone in your throat. That it's a very hard, basically when it's broken, it shows that there's been pressure on that part of your throat. And it's really only broken from very specific pressure,

from strangulation. It's not born into me. So they always look for a broken, high-odd bone in cases where they think someone was strangled. It's kind of like the one thing they look for a broken high-odd bone in cases where they think someone was strangled. It's kind of like the one thing they look for. It's like the smoke and bone. Noted. Yeah. Did you see it? Did you get that nerd home? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hilarious. Oh my god. So, that was the... Shut up. I didn't know. So he also had six bullet holes in his skull. Oh man. And one bullet hole in his upper body. Jesus.

I wonder if he tried to run away. Well, three of the bullets entered at the base of his head and three more from the left side. So, maybe not. I don't really know. Well, no shell casings or bullets were found near his grave, which was a thing with Ivan. There was no... No. ...he would never leave bullets or shell casings around. This kind of indicated that he was either murdered elsewhere and brought there or that mollat was savvy enough to pick up the casings.

Jesus. So over the whole area at one point there was 90 shell casings found at one point. So he really used a lot. Anya had been decapitated. Which was a first. Experts say that Malat had likely had her kneel with her head facing the ground before. Oh my god. So she was alive. Her head has never been found. I hate.

No. That's so awful. Yeah. Like decapitation freaks me out. Oh. It's just like fucking medieval dude. It is Her pants were found near the crime scene of Simone like I said before Simone Schmidle So she was likely raped too

Experts believe he kept Anya on a leash made from a sash cord for a bit before he he killed her That's so fucked up. He's real fucked up The sixth and seventh victims were Caroline Clark and Joanne Walters These this is this is pretty fucked up. Oh, no These two were backpacking in Australia. They had come from England and they actually met each other in a hospital in a hostile in Australia They didn't know each other before this and they met and this was in April of 1992 that they met and they were like, yo, let's back back together we're both from England we're trying to do this like let's do it. So they were gonna backpack around Australia together

and they were hoping at this time that they disappeared to get seasonal fruit picking jobs which was apparently a thing. They were discovered in an area of the forest called Executioners Drop on September 20, 1992. They disappeared from inner Sydney, suburb of King's Cross in April of 1992, which is when they basically when they met, like right when they started out. So these were the first of Malat's victims to actually be discovered out of all of them.

They were discovered first. They were discovered. Their bodies were discovered first. Oh, okay. Two runners discovered a decaying corpse while orienteering in the Blingo state forest in New South Wales, Australia. The following day after they found this decaying corpse, police

constables Roger Goge and Suzanne Roberts discovered a second body 98 feet from the first. Damn. Police quickly confirmed that the bodies were those of Clark and Walters. Walters, this is where... No. Walters had been stabbed 14 times. Holy shit. Four times in the heart and lungs, one in the neck, and nine times in her back. Oh my God. So violently that her spinal cord had been cut.

Clark had, now that was Walters, Clark had been shot in the head 10 times. What? Like that's overkill. And had one stab wound. She also had a piece of fabric that was wrapped around her head that is thought to have like, depersonalized her. No. And experts believe that Milette had used Clark's head for target practice because of the different angles that the bullets entered her skull. What? Now my personal life? Yeah like they tied her up and

just shot her in the head and used her head for target practice. Now she she they say like everything I read was like oh the the fabric must have depersonalized her but personally I kind of think the fabric was used because it allowed him to see where his bullets were. That's what I was thinking. Like, it's like a target. Right. Like, without it, he wouldn't have been able to see it because blood would have mixed in everything and he wouldn't have any more of that. That makes him sick.

But it's not even both. But that fabric, he could literally aim and see where he was hitting. It's like the, I think it was his, like, if you were actually racing. I think it was his like fucked up version of that. That's just me personally, I don't know. No, because I thought that too.

Yeah, I couldn't, I didn't find that anywhere because people just think it was must've been a depersonalization thing. I mean, it works as bulls. I don't know because I thought that too. Yeah, I couldn't I didn't find that anywhere because people just think it was must have been a Deep personalization thing but I don't think it works as both. I don't think that though. I don't think he needed to Deep personalize. I mean why I wouldn't do that. I don't think he was the type of killer that needed to he didn't have any And he didn't personalize the other. No, so it's like no, I don't know. I agree with that. So no more evidence was found in the surrounding areas, and since they were the first of his victims found at the time, police didn't think there was really any reason to believe that anybody else was going to be found belittled to the know, but then they were going to find all the other victims.

It does seem that Malat derived sexual gratification from the control, like the total control over his victims. He was one of those. Now this makes him at least partially a sexual sadist, in my opinion. Yeah. Like Ted Bundy. Like he liked, like he could only, he could only get it up when someone's in pain and completely, you know, in his control. Which is same as Bundy. It always comes back to Bundy. Okay, bye. Where's Charlie?

Sorry. Charlie's not a serial killer though. I know. Did you, you didn't tell me that Charlie Manson was on that episode of, um, Dark Taurus? Oh yeah! I forgot about that. He's like friend, who has a lot of love to do with all of the shit.

Yeah, who's like super, all about him. Yeah, again. Watch that show, guys. Also, his friend literally reminded me so all about him. Yeah, again, watch that show guys. Also his friend literally reminded me so much of Charlie. Oh, I know he did. He really did. And it's, yeah, watch Dark Taurus on Netflix. Because I should have.

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And it shows that Malat did have the control he wanted through these things. He was able to get it. So he would also spend a lot of time with the victims. These weren't quick, like boom boom you're done. I'm leaving your bodies in the woods now. Do you think that was the sexual thing? I think it was because he would spend time before during and after their murders. Near each gravesite there were makeshift fireplaces, cigarette butts, and sometimes cans with bullet holes. So he so after and like perhaps so he might after yeah like he might he he might have like because there was like cans with bullet holes he would just sit and like shoot the shit while

they were probably tied up in pain like he could have paralyzed them with a shot to like a stab to the back and then just hung out while they were like arriving in pain that's like super fucked up right like he's a fucked up dude And that means he was confident enough to stay around his victims for long periods Without fear of anything happening. It's a clue But like you're not even afraid because I don't know if he paralyzed all of them right away You're not even afraid that one of them's gonna try you oftentimes he would get two people at once or that like another backpackers Exactly that's the thing. It's like he wasn't afraid. He was probably like, come along and get them to. He was probably going to kill them too. Yeah. Damn. Like he's a scary motherfucker.

Well, that makes sense in the control thing. Like he's he probably had some kind of complex. Oh, for sure. He had to. Yeah. That he was like control. Yeah. He totally did. And he did dispose of all his victims in the same manner. So all his victims were dumped obviously in the same area of the Belangalov State Forest. And each victim was placed face down with their hands put behind their backs. And then he would make a pyramid out of sticks and ferns on top of their bodies. Why? Almost like a grave marker. It's very weird.

That doesn't signify any kind of sympathy, does it? No. No, I would make her freeze down. I would make her freeze down. That's degrading. Why a grave marker, though? I don't know. Almost like he wanted to be like, ha ha, did this.

Yeah, like I almost think it was his just fun for him. I don't even know. I can't even think of something that makes sense there. That's very strange. Yeah. Well, after developing a profile of the killer that they've got from all these bodies, investigators applied link analysis technology to roads and traffic authority vehicle records, gym memberships, guns licensing and internal

police records. So they were trying to come up with any list of suspects they could. So the list of suspects didn't narrow because of that. From a list of 230 people to an even shorter list of 32 and this list of 32 included Ivan Malat. Okay. Now let's talk about Paul Onions, the sole survivor. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions. Onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions, onions. By the band, Evelynian. Yeah, oh my god. Oh my god, full circle. Oh, love it. It's got hell out there. So, Paul Onions. Paul Onions was visiting from England and was hoping to get a ride to go fruit picking Not vegetable picking everyone's going fruit picking. It's a thing And he was picked up by Ivan Milatt on January 25th 1990

At 42 Wallabay Wallabay Wallabay. What's happening? 42 Wallabay Road Sydney Is that finding Nemo? Yes, did I also just die in the middle of that wall? You did. You did. You know what happened? You malfunctioned. We just actually malfunctioned. We have to replace your batteries. I don't think it's Wallaby, I don't remember. I don't remember. Wallaby on the next one. Well, my. So, during this whole thing where Ivan Malat picked up Paul Onions, so many names that are awesome. And Malat was initially very friendly. He introduced himself as Bill, which I don't know if you're keeping score, but that's not his name, spoiler alert. Wasn't Bill.

It's Ivan Malat. Oh my god. Sorry. What? He was ruined wasn't bill. It's Ivan Milat. Oh my god. Sorry. What? It's ruined it for you. I totally had no idea. Sorry if you guys were just like, who could this be? What are you on the edge of your seat?

You were. I was. Onions found Milat's personal questions about his plans, a little, little, a nerving. What was he asking? He started, I don't know exactly what he was asking. He hasn't really revealed a lot but but he said he just became, like, weird. He just started giving off a weird vibe, which good for Paul Onions for, like, seeing

madness. And my favorite murder would say. My favorite murder is right. Fuck the lightness. Because if you get a vibe, get the fuck out of there. Yeah, I don't care if the car's moving. Just get out. And he said he became really concerned for his personal safety because Melat started ranting, making racist and xenophobic remarks and just being

like a dick. So they drove for a while and then Paul began to get like the hebes from Bill. Like he was like giving me weird vibes. To pick it down on Notch and Ivan. Yeah. He was like I think Bill Ivan you need to, I think, Bill Ivan, you need to, like, I think, Biven, you need to chill. Biven. Like, chill, Biven. So, he was just getting them, he was giving them bad vibes. And after about an hour of this bad vibe, Biven stopped the truck. No, I don't know where. And he pulled over and he claimed that he was going

to the back of the truck to get some cassette tapes because he wanted to listen to some music. I'll just keep those in the back of your truck, you fucking weirdo. Well Paul noticed that there were like a ton of cassette tapes in the front of the truck. And so he went to tell Bill that it was cool and they could keep listening to like Kylie Minow that was playing. I just picked a random Australian music from 1990. Well when he went to get out of the truck because I think he was gonna like tiptoe away.

I think he was just gonna be like, yeah, like I wish good bye that shit. And when he tried to do that, Bill pulled out some ropes and attempted to tie onions by the hands and pulled a gun on him. Oh, awesome. How the fuck did he got away? Now at this point, he managed to get the hell out of the car

while Biven shot at him. Was he just like zigzagging across the Australian Alpaz? Yes, he was like serpentineing and Paul jumped the hell out of the truck. While he was moving. And ran straight into on-toming traffic. And at first, Biven stayed in the truck just grinning. Like just watching him run into traffic. And then he made an attempt to wrestle Paul in the middle of the street. Yup.

So Paul managed to get a woman named Joanne Berry to stop her car and he dove into her backseat and they fucking spoke to the fuck out of there. Like went to the nearest police station. Yes, Joanne. Now, why is this all very important? Because after news started going crazy about all those bodies being found in the woods. Composite sketch. No, I tried. That was good. But the woman who saved Paul's life in the car, Joanne Berry, called the hotline number for the task force. One 800, I know who Biven is. He was like, I got this due name biven that I think did he fits your bill in but But the hotline was overloaded due to the amount of calls that the hotline was receiving did you just notice that I said he fits Your bill and I didn't even mean to oh my

Damn pun not intended so good. I was clever and I didn't even fucking know it. I loved it I loved it. I didn't even know I loved it But I love it. I'm sorry I had to take a toll During this time there was also the girlfriend of a man who worked with Ivan Milatt who was like I think you should question Ivan Milatt the girlfriend of like a guy who worked with him Okay, so the girlfriend of a dude who worked with Ivan Milatt was like maybe he did it She thought he should be questioned over the case and called the hotline as well. Because she got the heebie-jeebies.

So they got two calls from two different, like two very intense calls that were like, I think he did it. They were making the hotline bling. Oh, I love it. You know what my favorite, I don't even like American Horror Story? Right. That one scene where hotline bling plays over some people loved it.

I fucking loved it. Every fiber of my being a writer. I was writing, because I was a TV writer for bustle.com. Which was really fun. And I used to have to live right for American Horror Story and live writing for that scene. All the writers were going fucking bananas. Oh hell yeah. Like we were going nuts.

Also everyone doesn't live writing kind of sound a little bit like hell. It is hell. It's pretty elacious, because you're not really watching, you're just frantically trying to get an article out as fast as possible. Me and Alina liked to watch TV together and I was never invited over when she was live writing. Yeah, it's a bummer. It was a sad time. But I'm not doing that anymore, so now, when Game of Thrones comes back, I can actually watch Game of Thrones. Fucking wait.

For two seasons, I have not really watched it. I've had to just frantically write through it. I literally cannot fucking wait. Ah, Game of Thrones. So Bill Even, Hotline Blings, Ring. November 13th, 1993. Paul Onions heard about the bodies that were being found in Australia and he was like, huh, so he just said, and he did that.

He was like, huh. And then he decided to call the task force number. Also, I'm making a lot of hand gestures right now. So many, I'm a friend of mine. But I'm very intense right now. So he decided to call the task force number and give them information about that situation because he was like, yo, maybe my attacker give them information about that situation because he was like, yo, maybe my attacker is this guy.

Fuck, but he was like this guy named Bill. But this guy named Bill. So the responding officer thanked him for the information and hung up, and that was it. Did he really happen that first? So come April 13th, 1994, Detective Gordon found a note regarding Paul Onions call. Okay. And that was five months earlier.

All right. So nothing was done for five months, and then all of a sudden, Detective Gordon finds this note. Sounds a lot like super-intendant, Clive Small immediately called for the original report from Bauerro police, but it was missing from their files. Of course, it was. Of course. So fortunately Constable Janet Nicholson, so many names, had taken the full report in her notebook. Fuck yeah Janet. That's right. Right. Downshed notebooks all the way. Now this notebook provided even more details than the original one. Like she had the whole original statement.

Janet knew what she was doing. Like good job Janet. Hell yeah Janet. Fuck yeah Janet. Damage Janet. Love that. That's from. Good band name.

It's a Rocky Horror picture show reference. I'm making a lot of references right now that I think that I know you're not going to get so I need to stop doing them. I think that's- I know a lot of people get about one. That's one of your favorite pastimes. It is. It is.

It is. It is. I don't get it. It's true. Damn it, Damn it. People will get it. I've seen that. Yeah.

Just for a long time. Yeah. Anyway. So Janet. Police confirmed that Ivan's brother. Now, I think his brothers, like his whole family, was kind of getting looked at here because people were like, you, those small acts. Like, wilders.

So they started looking at like his brothers and shit, but they confirmed that his brother Richard who people were really like thinking maybe could have done too. They confirmed that he had been working on the day of Paul onion's attack, but Ivan was not. So the files,

oh he wasn't, he was not. Huh, he was bivining. Oh, correct. So the files for both Paul, Onion, and the woman who saved his life, Joanne Berry, were placed under the lead file now. So they finally got upgraded. Do you think it's kind of wild that everyone was trying to pick fruit and then Joanne Berry saved the day? Wow! Just saying. That's crazy. I think so. I feel like that's like the day. Whoa. Just saying. That's crazy. I think so. I feel like that's like the universe or something. Fuck yeah, it is.

I don't know. I love the universe. Well, like I said, the police were already looking into the Milat family based on, you know, Milat's history of being Milat. Allegedly raping and kidnapping two girls in 1971. Obviously, you know, he had been acquitted for the charge, but it was still rousing quite a bit of suspicion. Shortly after the notes for his attack were found, onions

flew to Australia. So he came to Australia from England, where it was from. He flew back to Australia to show the officers exactly where it took place. And on May 5th, 1994, he was able to pick Malat out of a video lineup of suspects. Oh, wow. Yes. Yes, Paul, on you. So it was because of Paul's ability to pick out Malat, all the warrants were granted and evidence tying Malat to the murders was discovered. Oh my God.

Now, police learned that Malat had served prison time before for his bullshit. He wasn't charged or convicted with the rape and assault. But the swimmer was charged. But the swimmer was charged. So he did serve prison time in 1971. They also, so that was pertinent to this that he was capable of that. They also learned that he and his brother, Richard Malat, worked together on road gangs along the highway between Sydney and Melbourne. And that he owned property in the vicinity of Belanglo.

And had sold a Nissan Patrol 4-wheel drive vehicle right after the discovery of the bodies of Clark and Walters. And it makes sense that you would need a four-wheel vehicle to get in now the forest. Oh yeah. So, acquaintance also told the police that Malat had a fucking obsession with weapons. Good. And he had a ton of those like pictures of him fucking holding 17 huge guns and shit. Yeah, I want to fuck this whole fucking huge mustache and it's tiny dick. So, sorry. So, after a very lengthy negotiation, now Wayne Gordon was the negotiator trying to get Ivan out of his house. Okay. You know that, like in mind Hunter when holding boards. Yeah. And then he shoots off the one ahead. Yeah. That didn't happen here that way. Good. So So it was a very lengthy negotiation.

Malat was arrested on May 22nd, 1994 at his home at Sinabar Street, Eagleville, after 50 police officers surrounded the premises, including heavily armed officers from tactical operations unit, and also the homes belonging to his brothers Richard, Alex, Boris, Walter, and Bill. Bill? He had a brother Bill. Oh damn. We're also searched at the same time by over 300 police officers. Holy smokes. Yeah. Now the search of Malat's home revealed a lot. They revealed the cache of weapons, including parts of a 22 caliber rifle that matched the exact type used in the murders. Oh. Plus a shit load of trophies that he collected from his murder victims.

Now this included clothing, camping equipment, and cameras belonging to several of the victims. There was even foreign money belonging to victims found among his shit like Indonesian rupee banknotes which forensic forensic investigators found among Australian cash on his bedside table and his bedroom and What they found out was that German foreign soldier gave her Nug-Bauer Nug-B, is that how I said it before? I'm sorry if I'm really butchering this name. Is it okay to try?

Nugbauer, the 21 year old that they found in the forest. Yeah. And his girlfriend, Anja, that was their main. That couple had been on holiday in Indonesia before arriving to Australia. So it was so boomers. Some of these items, Malat, was stuffing into the fucking walls while the go-shaders were trying to get him out of it. He broke holes in the wall and we're trying to shove shit in the walls. Yeah, now this is, this shit is even crazy.

Here's my fucking issue. What? If you want to do all this, when you finally get caught, you know what, you got caught, so that's it. You can't do it. You can't do it. Oh, enough to start owning up to your shit, yeah. It makes me crazy. But no, isn't it something?

So they found all this shit, like belonging to victims in his house and shit. Yeah, it makes me crazy. But no, it's the thing. So they found all this shit belonging to victims in his house and he's like, I didn't do it. He's dead now. Oh. I think. Yeah, he's dead. So that's good.

So now, he also took and wore a shirt that was Paul Onions. Wow. Yeah. It was found in his garage and people said he literally wore it around So he liked to wear shit from like people he fucked with now This is even crazier and I am posting a photo of this on the Instagram. Paul onions got a shirt back No, it was later discovered that he had taken a

Beneton shirt from victim Caroline Clark and had given it to his girlfriend That is so fucking dumb. His girlfriend, Shylinder Hughes, apparently had no idea what was going on. Which likely story. I don't know. I don't know. Where's your boyfriend been? I know.

It shocks me about like BTK's wife and kids too, but then I really don't think they knew what was going on. Yeah, it's so, it was kinda crazy. Sorry, Shylinda. But there is a photo of her standing on the beach wearing the fucking shirt. That's so cool. And there's also a photo of Caroline Clark wearing the shirt. Oh.

And if you put them next to each other, it was really fucked up. That poor girl. Maybe she didn't know. Ugh. And forensic psychiatrist believe that he probably got a real thrill out of seeing one of his murder trophies. Oh my God, of course. Warn unknowingly by someone in his life.

And of course, his girlfriend. Like that's really fun to be sexual. Now on May 30th, 1994, following a lot of police investigations, Malat was charged with the murders of seven backpackers. And in March 1996 the trial started and lasted 15 weeks. Now his defense team was like I don't know what to do here because they found all this shit so obviously they know someone here did it. They just tried to shift the blame to other members of his family like

his brother. There was 13. They were like let's give this a shot. Didn't work. On July 27th 1996 a jury found the lack guilty of seven murders. Wow. And he was also, which, Gu-poll onions, he was also convicted of the attempted murder, false imprisonment, and robbery of pollonions. Holy cow.

Which I'm really glad about, because Paul deserves that. Yeah. You do? So he received six years in jail for each count against Paul onions. So he received six years in jail for the attempted murder, six for the false imprisonment, and six for robbery. Now for the murders of Caroline Clark, Joanne Walters, Simone Schmeidel, Agnya Habsheed, Gaber Negbauer, James Gibson, Endebra Ever Everest. He was given a life sentence for each count. Holy cast, he has 18 years.

And all those sentences were going to run consecutively and he had no possibility of control. Because fuck you, I bet. What was that face you just made? My leg is asleep. So he didn't do so hot in prison. How come? Because, you know, he likes to be in control. And with prison, you're not in control.

No. Now, Malat has been known to cut off a piece of his own finger. He swallowed razor blades. He swallowed staples and other metal objects to try to get hospital visits. In 2011, Malat went on a hunger strike and lost 25 kilograms in an attempt to get a PlayStation. What? Fuck you! Yeah, literally fuck him. Either way, there's a few more bodies that are possibly attributed to Malat and I'll just give you a

few so you can see. So five young women who disappeared over a 20-year period from the Newcastle area in New South Wales Hunter Valley region are strongly believed to have been murder victims of Malat. According to Wayne Gordon, the good negotiator, he thinks that it's weird that in each five cases, in each of the five cases, the young women were hitchhiking or walking to their homes. And at the time, Malat was working in the New Castle area with the DMR Rhodes repair gang. Police said he is also the prime suspect for an eighth unsolved murder that of Peter David Litcher, who was 18 years old and he disappeared hitchhiking from Liverpool in

his parents' bathhouse home in November 1987. So it's in the same time and area that he was killing. He was also questioned in 2003 about his possible involvement in the disappearance of two young nurses from a Western Sydney hotel in 1980. These were 20-year-old nurses. They were last seen at 7.30 p.m. on Saturday June 12th, 1980, they were leaving the Tolgate Hotel in Church Street, Paramata, with a man dressed in dirty work clothes and wearing a floppy black cowboy style hat, which he is known to wear. At the time, Malat was living in his mother's Guildford home and working at the Department of Main Road's Depot at Roshill, which is less than two kilometers

from the toll gate hotel. And it was also a, that was a very popular drinking spot for DMR workers at the time. So he definitely could have been there. For sure. So yeah, so that's kind of crazy. Some weird aftermath for this case. His Michael Malat, who is Ivan's great nephew. And his friend. That sounds familiar. Well, he and his friend Cohen Klein, who they're both 19 years old. They killed 17-year-old David Octolone

in Belanglo State, Forest, in 2010. So he's just taken after his uncle? Octolone was hit in the head with an ax. Oh my god. And left close to where some of Ivan's victims were found. That's really fucked up and weird. There was a cell phone recording of the axe hitting him. No, it was played.

And it was played in court. Michael told the judge, quote, that's meaning murder is what the molats do. What the fuck? Michael received 43 years in prison while Klein received 32 years. So apparently it is in the family. Yeah isn't that fucked up? Yeah. Yeah so that's Ivan Molatt. That's fun, right? Yeah that's fun. So that's just so processing. Yeah. So that's Ivan Milat. So the next case we're just going to hit real quick.

When I hit one more case tonight, it's going to be kind of a doozy. It's a hell of a doozy. This one's a rough one. But I think it's important because it's a very fascinating case and a very awful case. This is the murder of Anita Coby. So I'm sure a lot of people from Australia

will know this case because it's like a really intense one. Anita Covey was a teen beauty pageant winner. She was on the trajectory for a successful modeling career, but instead she decided to pursue nursing because she wanted to help people. Not so humble. So she became a nurse. She had no, no anatomy enemies and wasn't involved with drugs or like the party scene She wasn't a drinker and The year before her murder she had just separated from her husband John Covey How old was she? She she was 26 years old at the time of her murder She had just moved back in with her parents because she had separated from her husband and

She had basically just taken to her job as a nurse. She was really dedicated long hours and she was working at the Sydney hospital. She and John at the time of her murder were attempting to reconcile again. Oh, that's awful. Now after finishing her shift on the afternoon of February 2, 1986, Kaby and two friends from the hospital changed out of their uniforms and went to a restaurant called the Red Fern for dinner. Now, one of the nurses dropped Coby off at Central Station just before 9 p.m. that night

so she could catch a train back home where her parents lived. Her parents were Gary and Gracie Lynch and they lived in Blacktown. Now her usual practice when she got to the station because she would take this home all the time. Right. Her usual practice was to call her dad from the station and he would pick her up. Now because she often stayed at friends places in the city or if she had to pull a double shift, you know, but she had told him that night that she was going to be having dinner with friends. So when he, when

she didn't call him, he didn't really think a lot of it because he was like, oh, she must be working late or she's staying with her friends. And she was 26. Exactly. She was like a teenager. Yeah. Who just did, you know. Now, when the staff from Sydney hospital called her father the following morning, asking if they knew why Anita didn't come to work, he immediately began to worry. Obviously. That makes me heart hurt. So, when there was no word from Anita by that afternoon, he panicked and he immediately filed a missing persons report. So what we know is that she did catch the 912 PM train from two black town in outer Western Sydney. Now when she arrived at Blacktown station, it was just before 10 pm. So at that time she had gone to find a phone at the station

to call her dad. She was going to call her dad. When she got there, somebody had vandalized the phone, so it didn't work. So she was like, okay, it's a nice summer night. I'm gonna walk home. How far was the walk? I don't think it was crazy far. I'm not sure how far, but it was not something that would have been like, oh shit, I have to walk home. I think it's like, oh, I'll just take a nice walk home. So as she did, a dirty white tannish car slowed beside her and stopped. It just like stresses me out so badly.

Two of the five men that were in that car jumped out and grabbed her. Oh my God. Pulling her into the car as she screamed and fought like hell to get away from it. Oh my God, Oh my God. Pulling her into the car as she screamed and fought like hell to get away from it. Oh my God, oh my God. Now witnesses heard her saw this happen. A lot of them tried to stop it. Like God. God in their cars or they were like running after the car. Oh my God, this is stressing me out. And they

called the police and they like reported this but there wasn't a lot you know they didn't catch them so it was like nobody knew what to do, so they were looking for this vehicle. So in the car, they stripped off her clothing immediately, and repeatedly punched, beat, and raped her in the car. Oh. They pulled into a gas station at one point, because they were running out of gas or petrol, as it's called down there. Petrol.

And they stole $15 from her purse to pay for the gas. Fuck you guys. Right. Like, doesn't that just fucking piss you off? Like, seriously? Now, if we found out later, and I'll mention it again later, that this car was stolen. Oh.

Yeah. So Anita was brutally beaten, raped, and tortured before having her throat cut to end her life. Oh my God. So severe was this cut that it literally almost left her decapitated. So they cut it so deep that. And did you see that she was alive when they did it?

Yeah, she was alive when it happened. So it's just so awful. Her bloodied naked body was left in a secluded cow paddock at prospect, not far from black town, and it wasn't discovered for two days. So the way it was discovered, it was by, now this was in a cow paddock, which is like a little cow area on a dairy farm. This is one of the most horrifying things I've ever heard. Yeah, it really is.

Like, I'm processing this, but as you continue to talk. Luckily, there's, I guess there's like a good ending because they find like spoiler alert, they find who did this. I hope they all got the shit kicked out of them. Oh god, I hope so. I really hope so. Because she was found by the dairy farmer who owned the farm, named John Reen on February 4th.

So at around 9.30 a.m. that morning, he saw that his cows were like gathering in an area, and he was like, what the fuck? But he didn't go to check because he was like, I know whatever cows are weird. Were they like around her? They were, and he said they were gathered in an area he referred to as the boiler paddock,

and he kind of found it odd, but he like all right he went to a cattle sale like you just had to go so he was like bah so he returned home two hours later and the cows were in the same spot so he was like okay what so he was like uh guys what are you doing so he approached them and that's when he saw the battered and bruised body of Anita Coby lying on her stomach and he immediately called the police in the panic. Oh, fucking god. Now, huge bruises covered this woman's entire body. She had several broken bones, including her shoulders and fingers.

She was naked except for her very unique wedding ring. Oh, no. It was a rushing wedding band that had three interlocking bands of yellow gold, white gold and rose gold Which is super unique. It's president steal that I know right? I don't think that's what they were there for they were there to rape her and kill her That's all they wanted fuck them right and there were signs that she had defensive wounds So it points to her fighting for her life now she had defensive wounds. So it points to her fighting for her life. Now autopsy results would find that she was still alive

when her throat was slow. When her body was found, people went fucking insane. The New South Wales government posted a $50,000 reward for any information leading to an arrest. And in the hope of getting people to remember that night, and maybe hopefully be like, oh shit, I saw her. And I saw these. I saw these.

A police officer, a woman police officer, actually dressed like Kaby and traveled the exact path that she traveled. Just to see if somebody's like, oh shit. And then I think they recorded it. Wow. So they like played it so everybody could really attack. And while this was going on, her colleagues interviewed

people around her, being like, did you remember seeing someone looking like, which is so fucking brilliant. I'm like, yeah, Australia. Like, damn. And go for her. It seems like Australia has their shit together. When it comes to them, they have to. Like investigations and shit. I'm like, yeah, they have their shit together. Because a lot of times like American serial killer stories you're like guys and the calm on like it just seems like it's like shit but so obviously the whole of Australia was outraged of course they were flipping out even the police that were investigating said that they were like fucked up over this like I said finding her was

The most brutal thing they've ever seen in their careers. Oh my god The investigation was led by detective sergeant Ian Kennedy and detective sergeant Graham Rosetta and Kennedy was like the lead now Kennedy stated what struck him most were her eyes when he found her He said quote the look in that girl's eyes, I will never forget those dead eyes. You could see she had gone through hell. You could see it. I'm gonna go and stop. That hurts me. Yeah. Everything. Now, when the news was brought to Anita's family, like her whole family was there, they brought her ex, well, you're separated, her strange husband, John Coby. They brought them all together and they basically asked if who they needed

someone to identify the body. They needed, they were like somebody needs to come to the more identify. And the mother was like, I literally can't. No, I can't do her. And so the father stepped up and was like, I'll do it. Somebody has to do it. And so he went with her sister's husband. So her sister's husband went with him. When the sheet was pulled back at the mord, it was said that he almost, he'd like his knees buckled. And they had to like catch him.

And when he finally got himself together, he said, quote, I wish I could say it was someone else's daughter, but it's not, is it? Oh. Yeah. I feel like I'm gonna cry. Oh my God. No, this one like gets me because it's like that someone's kid. I can't imagine them pulling a sheet back and it's your kid. I don't even know like I can't even. So at first the I mean the obvious way to go is to look at her husband her strange husband John copy especially because they were strange and she had obviously been recently separated from him and you know husband always did it so it's kind of always the first thing like so they interrogated it they brought him to the station they interrogated him for a long time they kind of started out slow

like just asking about the separation asking about this and then they were like like rocked into it where the fuck were you that night and like what was this what he had like obviously in alibi so at one point he was pushed against a wall and accused of murdering his wife she said just happened and then at that point he said I must have done it. And basically what they found out was, because what happened later was he was so devastated by this. And did they just break him down? Well they found out that he probably said that because he said I must have done it because I wasn't there to protect her. So I must have done it.

Oh my god. Like this is my fault. Like yeah, because he didn't do it. And the thing is it was pretty clear from the autopsy report that this was definitely not a crime of passion. Oh, and how could one person had not done this? Yeah. They were like, no, this no way. And this didn't have a crime of passion feel to it. And I mean, although like, I think they were focusing

a little on him because after the separation, he became kind of like obsessively trying to get her back. It seemed like he would do anything to get her back. And like her coworkers were saying he called a lot and he was very like kind of like, but it was just, but it was just love. Yeah, it's just so they were like he's not dangerous. He's just, and it's really sad because after all of this, he ended up moving out of Australia

to the States at one point, just to get away from it all. And like, he's still to this day. And he got into like drugs and alcohol really bad because just a cope. And to this day, he doesn't know the names of the people who did it because he doesn't want it now. Because he's fucking you. Yeah, like he literally doesn't want to know and it's like, it's so sad. The state government then announced that the

$50,000 reward was going to be doubled to $100,000. Good. They really wanted information. Now a week after Cobbie's body was found an informant came forward and said, hey, you should look at these people. Who was it? Now these people were 19 year olds, John Travers and Michael Murdoch, and the Murphy brothers who were 33 year old Michael Murphy, 28 year old Gary Murphy and 22 year old Leslie Murphy. Now it took just under three weeks for police to track them down, arrest them, and charge them with murder.

Holy cow. Like a fuck, yeah, Australia. That's fast. Yeah, I'll stress. That's fast. Yeah, this case was done. Like, they did a really good job with this. Now, all these guys came from pretty fucked up backgrounds. And they were all of below average intelligence.

They were all fucked up out there. And I don't mean below average intelligence. Like, they had that as an excuse. Oh, I know. They were below enough to be considered not Understanding what happened like they were just dumb as fuck basically like they were assholes who were also dumb So John Travers was 19 years old. He was the leader which is funny That's weird because there's a 33 year old a 28 year old and a 22 year old

But he was really fucked up like he was a fucked up kid He was accused on his 18th birthday of raping a sheep and Cutting its throat while he was doing it and then he cooked the sheep and ate it and later when the police asked him about this when they arrested him He literally was like, you gotta eat. What? Yeah. So... But you don't have to rape a sheep.

According to him you do, apparently. Ew, what the fuck? Now, he had been accused of stealing a car that matched the description of the one that abducted Anita. Oh my god, this is, I like just literally want to go to jail and punch all of them in the face. Well, this is the crazy thing. So, while Traverse was in custody, it was learned that he was really close to one of his aunts, who was his like blood uncle's wife.

Okay. Now, I'm not going to name her because she is in the witness protection program now. Shit. I'm just gonna call her aunt X. So she approached investigators saying that she had been having trouble sleeping. She was really messed up about this because she knew John was to blame. Now can you imagine? Yeah and when she came to them she was like I just can't handle this like I know

didn't you. And so they convinced her which is bananas. They convinced her to wear a wire and get a confession from him. So her husband, who was John's blood uncle, actually, like they went to him too, because she was like, we need to talk to him because this is his nephew. Like, we need to at least tell him what's gonna happen here. And his uncle was like, totally agreed

that this was the right thing to do. And she and he also convinced her like you're doing the right thing. Like don't think that you're doing something against me. Obviously she was brutally murdered, but like that is a hard decision to come to. Oh yeah. Just throw it like absolutely. Wow. And so she wore the wire in her bra. Oh my god. Yeah, crazy. And when she started talking to John Travers, he opened right up to her. Because he was so stupid. And he even named all the other suspects as being both.

Like he just gave her everything. He was like so stupid. And they actually just released recently the confession tapes, like some of the clips. Basically, he's just like, yeah, like she saw us us so I had to cut her. So he's gross yeah. So maybe just don't fucking do that. Now, we have to kill someone. Aunt X here had to stand there and listen to all of that. And just take this like it's normal. Like they told her just talk to him like normal. Okay, but that's not normal. How do you even react to that? And some of the police even said while they were watching her talk to him like normal. Okay, but that's not normal. How do you even react to that? And some of the police even said while they were watching her talk to him because she was

talking to me in the police station. They said she was like trembling and like clearly very upset by this and they, so even with that, she agreed to wear another wire to get Michael Murdoch to confess as well. Wow. And so she's a badass. I was gonna say what about that? Yeah Murdoch to confess as well. Wow. And so she's a badass. I was gonna say, what about that? Yeah, I was gonna say, what about that? Yeah, I was gonna say, what about that?

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everyone was in trouble. And mobs of people waited outside because they literally wanted to rip these people apart. I hope they got shit thrown at them. I'm sure they did. There was a dummy dangling from a newst that was tied to a tree branch. Good. And somehow, like, signs that were literally saying we want to restore the death penalty for them. Like they were like this is so and then some that were showing solidarity with Coby like were their police, their nurse uniforms. Oh my god. Yeah, so I just gave you chills. I know.

Now these tapes along with the fact that Travers shocked everyone in pleaded guilty to everything which no one really thought he would This led to the convictions of all five of them good They all tried to blame the other people and they all basically blamed Traverse saying that he had the knife and he did it Like we were just there raping her what she like I regard this though because of her all her wounds or no I don't think she I mean it's hard to say. I don't, it's hard to say. If no one found her for two days, she might have, because she might not have been able to bring her self,

because there was also evidence, and they, and they confess to this, that she was dragged through a barbed wire fence. Oh my god. So she might, yeah. There's an autopsy report somewhere out there that people that is said to be like the most horrific thing. Seeing the injuries is like the worst thing you've ever heard.

And despite them trying to all blame travers, they all got life in prison. And all of their files for imprisonment were marked never to be released and the judge made it clear in the sentencing like I am recommending that you all be marked never to be released. I don't want to hear your fucking plea for a parole bar. It's crazy and then an even weirder thing with this one is that Gary Murphy, one of the Murphy brothers, his defense attorney, who was a woman named Lee Johnson.

She had got like a reputation during this trial. She was very sweet to Gary. It seemed to be way too much. Basically, people thought she was sleeping with him. Yeah, what the fuck? And there was a story that I heard actually on the podcast Case File, which is a great podcast. It is into it.

You really should. It's this like Australian guy who has a very soothing voice and he's so detailed and very well researched and he's very respectful and he is just a great podcast. So go case file. But I actually heard this on there that there was a story where one of the investigators came into the courtroom one day and she had placed chocolate eggs on the defense table and they were like what the fuck is that? And she was like well it's Easter time. They should it was just for the boys. Oh, the murderous mother fuckers.

So the investigator went and smashed all the chocolate eggs and was like, you can't have those in the courtroom. And then smashed your fucking stairs. And like ridiculous. And I was reading an article that she was interviewed for recently, I think in like February 2016, where she was like everyone just said that we were sleeping together because I'm a woman. No. And it's like no, I think it's because you brought him chocolate.

Maybe that would you ever... Ew, what the fuck? So that's just a weird story. I've said what the fuck so many times throughout this entire podcast today. Yeah. So that's just like a quick overview of the case. I didn't want to go into too much because this is really rough case. It's horrible. But yeah. So yeah, Australia. You did the damn thing. You do it. And again, that's the case of Anita Coby. And I'm really glad that

they found those fuckers and that they're never gonna be released. I need like a drink. I know. I know. You have some Bailey's downstairs. I'm staying. And again, we're gonna cover some more cases because narrowing this down was really tough, but I wanted to get a little into both the cases. I didn't want to just quickly review both of them. Oh.

So we could only do two today, but we'll definitely do more on a future episode. I only have the Australian madness for two tonight because I want to cover the snow town murders, the bodies and the barrels murders. Oh god. It's a crazy one. But that one will go. It needs an episode by itself. So we will cover snow town which I'm sure some of you are wondering about. And yeah, I think next week, I think we're going to do like a little bit of a departure. And I think we're gonna do an episode where we're just gonna talk about craziest medieval torture methods. Whoa!

Because those things are crazy. So I think we're gonna do that next week, so look forward to that. Yeah. And then we'll come right back around to serial killers. We'll hit, maybe we'll hit a big guy. Heavy hitter. Maybe we'll hit a heavy hitter. Who do you think we want to do?

Let's give them a small hint. Maybe we'll hit somebody who works at night. And I work at night. And maybe had bad breath. Stinky motherfucker. Maybe smelled like wet leather. And maybe... liked star shapes on his palms.

Yeah. Maybe we'll hit something like that after our medieval torture episode. I don't know. I don't know. You decide. Alright. So yeah. I don't think that gave it away.

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