Morbid - Episode 120: The Tragic Murder of Paige Doherty

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

Paige Doherty was a sweet, beautiful, kind, hardworking young girl. At only 15 years old, she was working part time at a hair salon in Scotland hoping to one day become a stylist. It was on her way to this job one Saturday morning in March 2016, that she met a nightmarish end at the hands of John Leathem, human garbage pile. This is a tragic story but one where Paige's family has really done above and beyond to keep her memory alive and spare other families the grief they have dealt with alone. Visit PaigesPromise.com Pout For Paige Facebook group James English Podcast interviewing Pamela Munro Visit our sponsor for this episode: Thrive Causemetics Start thriving and help women in need today by going to Thrivecausemetics.com/morbid and use code morbid for 15% off your first purchase!  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash and I'm Elena. And this is a mini morbid. It's so tiny, small, a little, tantasmo. That was pretty. It was like kind of country. It was a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll. Oh. Is it not a song like bit country a little bit rock and roll. Oh Is it not a song like I'm a little bit country? And rock and roll. I'm a little bit country. Ain't a little bit rock and roll. Yeah. Yeah

I'm a little bit tone deaf Everybody's like and I'm done with this now All right, well since it is a mini morbid perhaps we should just dive into the quick business that we have. And like you to tell me a story, if you will. We're just going to dive into that case. Oh, like a scuba diver. Oh, I scuba dive. And you scuba dive this week. Yeah, we scuba dive together. Remember deep dives. Oh my God, I was so confused. I was like, we did not ash. I thought like, so I was like, we did not go to the water together. You just became a pathological What just happened? I thought you broke for a second, but that's okay. I'm not broken. I'm broken in another way

Okay, anyways, I almost just said January 30th will be at the grammar scene be there be square We already did that we did it was awesome. It was the littest of the tinnus. Sure was. Oh my god, wait, have we even told people that we're going to be at Death Becomes Us? No, we haven't. Shit! So there it is. We're going to be at the Death Becomes Us festival, April 23rd at the Grammar Sea.

Hell yeah, we're coming back to the Grammar Sea. I love to the Grammar Sea. The Grammar Sea was rad. Everyone that worked there was so nice. And the Death Becomes Us festival is going to be the shit I cannot wait for it. I'm so stoked. We're gonna be doing an awesome case. Oh, me. Oh, fuck.

I have to get more pants. She sure does, guys. I only have one pair on deck and I was gonna wear them to Philly. So you know what, if you missed the first grammar scene show on January 30th, you get another chance. And you don't just get to see us. you get to see all kinds of cool stuff. Many, many cool things. Many, many cool things. So let me tell you, come to the Death Becomes Us Festival.

We will post a link in all of our shit so you can go do it. But go do it. By tickets to our show there, it's going to be so fun. We have a really fun games guys I swear. Be there, be square. Are you done? Do it. I was like holy shit monologue.

That was not a roll. Well before that, April 14th, we're gonna be at the Pennsign Comedy Club in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. You should be there too, it's gonna be awesome. Be there, be square. And then very next day we'll be at the DC improv in Washington, DC. Mon Washington, DC. Monuments.

Yeah. I can't wait to see the... I know, I've never been to Philly or Washington. I mean, either and I'm really excited. I've also never been to Huntsville, Alabama, but we will be there May 6th at Stand Up Lives. We're gonna be Roll Tide and War Eagling. And everything in between. Sure are.

We're supporting it all. Respect. Ari, espacity, fan of what? A means to me. Oh, it's one of those. We're supporting her. Everyone. Respect. R-E-S-B-C-T. Find a word of me and storm me. Oh, it's one of those. You like that? I did. Are you just upset that I'm gonna sing throughout the whole episode? I love it. You thought that was really convincing. That's possible. Not a good actress, apparently.

Nope. Uh, May 7th early and late at Zaini's in Nashville. Zaini's were coming for ya. We're gonna get all Zaini. We're gonna get so Zaini that night. I'm feeling pretty Zaini right in Nashville. Zaini's, we're coming for ya. We're gonna get all Zaini. We're gonna get so Zaini that night. I'm feeling pretty Zaini right now. I am too. And then June 12th in Chicago at Talia Hall,

which looks like the most sexy venue. Oh my goodness. It's a sexy, unique venue. It's so sexy, it's so spooky. And speaking of Chicago, we've had a few people, especially from Chicago, but from other places too, telling us like great places to go in their city. That's so nice. In fact, this guy named John emailed us today and told us all these amazing places to go in Chicago.

John! And I was like, John, what up? You have a great name and you're just a sweet fella. And so stoked. I really appreciate it and everybody's been so sweet about it. So really hot. So really hot. So really hot. So really hot. So really hot. I really appreciate it and everybody's been so sweet about it. They really have. They really have. So much we can't meet to meet ya and just smoosh your faces. It's gonna be great.

I don't think we're allowed to do that. You know what? I'll, I'll, you'll do what you want. You'll do what you want. You'll do what you want. You'll do what you want. You'll do what you want. I will smoosh your faces, okay?

Yeah. Just know that I'm thinking about it. Just know that she's smooshing your face. I am. In my brain, I'm smooshing your face. Uh, so. We just, I also want to say that everybody was so sweet about the episode we just dropped yesterday about Dory and Corey and the mommy and her closet.

Everybody seemed to dig it, so we got great feedback from it and you guys have been awesome. So thanks so much for giving us such lovely sentiments about it. Can I do a spoiler for next week's episode? Yes you can. Okay we're so excited and like we had such great feedback from it that we're gonna do Venus Extravagodons on next week. We are we're just gonna ride this pair as this burning wave. I'm pretty lit for it. Because I was like I said in the episode I was going to do both those cases in one episode but it just I had way too much information about Dorian and I didn't want to make it too long. You? I know.

Too much information. I know. I know. And brevity is usually my thing. It is. I'm saying. But yeah, so we're going to do Venus extravaganza probably for the mini next week because it's just a smaller case. Unfortunately, it's an unsolved case, so it's not a ton of information about it, but we're

going to do it. Yeah. So, tonight, however, what are we doing? This. Tonight, we're doing a school. Yeah. So tonight, however, what are we doing, sis? Tonight, we're doing a school-ish episode. School-ish. Ooh, that ended that didn't go well, but, you know, we're flying.

I thought it was good. I mean, cool, thank you. I got Shrek vibes. Okay, good, that's what I was going for. And I happen to be half Scottish, guys. So I'm really feeling this one. So if you're half Scottish, you're like a quarter Scottish. Okay, because once and for all,

or less than that actually. You're my aunt. Yeah, technically. You're probably less than a quarter Scottish. But she's really my sister, and if you say that we're not sisters, I'll come and fight you. But we digress.

Do I? I'm half Scottish. Back to that. You're like, I'm not your sister. I'm half Scottish. So like I'm not your son. I've got it So this you know, I figured we needed to bring one from the homeland Let's do it. Let's get it for clan or cart. That's what we got to do What do you think would happen if I did the embark dog test with my saliva? Guys do you see what I have to deal with every single day?

They'd be like you're're a golden retriever. Like, what was that even? Because I was thinking about, no, I know you thought, I thought, Ruby, I do know you thought, for us unfortunately, but what happened? And Barc just pulled two sponsorships. So today we're gonna be covering the case of,

wow, the, of, wow. The, okay, I'm good. Yeah, because this is actually a really brutal case, so we got the giggles out ahead of time. Now, this is a real brutal case. Okay. So, somber nation has come. This is the case of the brutal murder of Page Doherty

by John Latham. Okay. John Latham is a literal piece of human garbage, a piece of what lettuce, if you will, a piece of the lettuce, lettuce, soggy lettuce. Lettuce that has been moistened by pee that has not seen hydration in three months. Whoa, and has only been fed asparagus.

Stinky, sticky, lettuce straight up, just yellow pee. Wow, that's foul. OK, anyways. So glad we could take you there. You're welcome. Page Delarty was 15 years old. 15? Yeah, a baby.

Yeah, a baby. Yeah, a baby. She was born on April 17th, 2000 in Clydebank, Scotland. That makes me feel old. I know 2000. I'm like, whoa. I'm like, whoa. Shoo.

So her mother is Pamela Monroe and she had a stepfather Andy Monroe. She is very, very, very close to her parents. I mean, her mother was like her best friend. No. Her stepfather, she literally referred to him as like the greatest thing that ever happened to her. Like, he's just this wonderful stepfather.

It's just like, is one of those scenarios where you're like, that just worked. He like, he's together the family. Yeah, it's just like, he was like the missing piece. I love stories like that. Right. And they just seem like this really like happy awesome family. She's the oldest. She had a younger sister and two younger brothers. And they again, they all just seemed like this really happy normal functioning family. Yeah, honestly now a day is so rare. It is like a happy fun. functioning family. Yeah, honestly now a day is so rare. It is like a happy fun. Obviously, I'm sure they were like a normal family and it wasn't like hunky-dory all the time.

It wasn't like the Brady bunch. Exactly, but like it seemed like they were just like one of the good ones. Yeah. So Paige was very tiny. She was 4'8". Wow. Yeah, she was shorter than me even. Yeah, shorter than me even. Very tiny, very petite. She was Absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, like long dark hair. She just like She's one of those girls that you're like you didn't even have to try like you woke up like that You just woke up like that. Okay. She she Beyonce and like she just looked like that She was also super into makeup, super into fashion, very into hair. She had aspirations of becoming a hairstylist.

And in fact, she had a part-time job at a hair salon. She worked on Saturday mornings. I think she just like did assistant things around the salon, you know what I mean? Like, you would know about the worst things ever. But she loved it. She just really loved this job. I loved that.

Yeah, and it was just on Saturday mornings, it was just like to make some extra money to get the experience. And she just loved being around that. And that's like the best day to be in the salon on a Saturday. It's like hustle and bustle. Yeah, exactly.

And she just, that was what she wanted to do. So it's like what better job to get at 15 when you have aspirations of that than to work in that environment. And to get your fun the doorway, like that early on is a big deal. Exactly. She was known as being very respectful, very loving.

She was a very kind girl. She was a very normal teenage girl. It's not like she was this crazy wild child and she wasn't like, you know, they talk about her like a very normal girl. Very normal, very, you know, of course she could be moody like a regular teenager. They don't try to like paint her as like a not human being. Right. But she was by no means like a wild child. She respected her parents. They had a great relationship.

She was very... I mean the fact that she had a job at 15 is like huge. Like it really was and she, people say she wouldn't hurt a fly. She wasn't mean. She wasn't, you know, she wasn't caddy. She was just a good kid. Yeah, she was just sweet. She had a boyfriend named Dylan. Oh.

Who really liked her. Oh, yeah. That's like really sweet. Like, and he's adorable. That's the purist. Yeah, it really is. And like any other teenager, she was, I mean, pretty much attached to her phone. That phone never left her hand.

Yep. She was never seen without it. She was always looking down at it, very into social media. Yep. In fact, the social media thing and the phone thing, being such a huge part of her life, is part of the reason that she was,

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So March 19th, the Saturday, she woke up, left early on her way to the salon and On her way to the salon since it was early morning. She usually stopped at like a deli or a coffee place to grab You know like a breakfast sandwich. Yeah, something to eat on the way in And again because her shifts were early so by midday that day Dylan her boyfriend had not heard anything from her Uh-oh, and he said anything from her. And he said, this is weird. There was no text. And he wasn't responding to texts. And he was like, that was weird for her. Yeah. She again, always had her phone, always answered back. And he was

like, you know, I just, that it immediately gave me like what the hell's going on here. Right. Even though she was at work, she could always take a break and shoot me a quick text like we all do. Yeah. So Dylan was really concerned. And then by lunchtime, he still hadn't heard anything. And was her shift probably like over-ish around now?

No, I think her, her shift was still going on, but he was like, she would have had a break now. She would have at least once responded. Yeah. Because again, she started early morning. Right.

So Dylan's super worried. So he's like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna call the hair salon and just make sure she got there. Okay. Because he wasn't like being like, why the hell is she answering? She was more of a safety. I just want to make sure she got there.

Yeah. So he calls the hair salon and he's like, is she okay? Like did she make it to work today? Right. Like is she there? And the boss is like, yeah, she never came to work today. And the boss was also like, she also never called in. That's weird that they wouldn't have called her parents.

Well, they were just like, yeah, they were like, she didn't come in today and she didn't call in, so we just, you know, a no-call no-show. We just decided just we're like a no-call no-show. I mean, she's a 15-year-old teenager. I don't think they were like thinking too much about that. Just thinking it was too crazy that a teenager might do a no-call no-show. Yeah, she's a 15 year old teenager. I don't think they were like thinking too much about that. Just thinking it was too crazy that a teenager might do a no call no show.

Yeah, that's true. So yeah, the boss is like, yeah, she didn't come. She didn't call, don't know what to tell you. Right. So Dylan is like, okay, that's weird. Right. That is not normal for her, what the fuck's going on? Why wouldn't she text me to tell me if she was sick

or something, like this is weird, why isn't she? He was like, I, that. So he calls Pam, her mom. Yeah. And he's like, hey, you know, I called, I hadn't heard from her all day. Have you heard for, is she home? Yeah.

And Pam was like, no, she's not home. She was supposed to be at work. And he was like, she's not at work. Right. So Pam's like, what the fuck? Like what do you mean she's not at work? So Dylan goes online. And it's like, what the fuck? Yeah, you mean she's not at work. So Dylan goes online and is like, I'm going to look at social media, see if she's been on it all today.

Right. So he goes on, he sees that none of her social media profiles have had any activity. Okay. No comments, no nothing, like no status updates, like, you know, like, you can all buy an album. Yeah, I was going to say, like, you know, you can tell when somebody's been online or yeah liking things and all that yeah and he looks and he's like okay the last she was online was last night right which was at her friend's house so he's like that's really weird too so he

tells her mom and they're like this is not like her so they immediately call the police right good for them because they were like we're not wasting any time here police arrived at her house they spoke to her family her mom her stepfather they immediately call the police, which good for them because they were like we're not wasting any time here. Police arrived at her house, they spoke to her family, her mom, her stepfather, friends of hers went on social media to ask if anyone had seen her. By that evening no one had heard anything. And all her friends were saying, we haven't heard from her either, we haven't, and that's weird why none of us got in a text.

So already it's looking pretty grim. Right. Police started a search team that evening volunteers went out and searched for her that evening. All in like the nearby areas like woods around the shops and the route that she had taken. All this went into Sunday morning. again, no activity at all. Things are not looking good, they're not finding anything. So there was a, you know, of course they're going to be like, could she have run away? Would she have done this on her own? Literally no one in her life was thinking that she would do it.

They were like, no, no, it just doesn't know. And this wasn't one of those like, no, of course not. She wouldn't have done that. They were like, no. Like, it's just like those like, no, of course not. She wouldn't have done that. They were like, no. Like, that's a preposterous thing to think. Not only is that not like her and that she was very happy in her life and the people around her, but like, she didn't have any money.

Right. And they were like, where would she have gone? Where would she leave her friend Lauren's house, not tell her friend Lauren that she was going to disappear? And her phone probably would have been active. Like, exactly. They would have been some activity. Right. Someone would have known. Like where is she going?

And it's like her boyfriend, she's just leaving her boyfriend, she's just leaving like, and like all of a sudden after like a sleepover, like a very normal thing. Yeah, and she wasn't acting strange that night. Like Lauren said, she was like, she was her normal self this morning when she woke up and went to work, nothing was off.

Right, so every, that went away pretty quickly. They were like, all right, normal self this morning when she woke up and went to work. Right. Nothing was off. Right. So every, that went away pretty quickly. They were like, all right. It was like, I want to ask that. It was like, I want to ask that. Because they always have to do that, you know? So they immediately started a Facebook group so that they could get the word out quicker.

And it was the find, help find page Facebook group. They were sharing her photo, like many photos of her and various angles and everything just so people could really get an idea of what she looked like. Pam posted pictures of the clothing she was wearing that day and they put down like places she'd stopped for coffee, places she would stop for eat, like in the mornings, like often places, places she places releases she frequented right like her normal liking places anyone seen her here please keep an eye out they basically just gave us many many pieces of info as they could and friends were doing this like all her friends were like desperately trying to get information I always think of

like what it would be like if like this happened and like to one of your friends like I can't imagine not feeling yeah like helpless right because what can you do all you can do is sit there and be like help right and like try your ass but it's like you just don't know like what you're supposed to do you just have no idea and the unknown must be like the scariest part of the whole experience. Oh, that's what I can think about as her mother and just like yeah, especially your mom having no idea sisters and her brother's No idea what is happening to her if she's you know like no idea If she cold as she hurts in your brain like like plugs in all these different scenarios That's all that just makes my heart hurt for like her family and we'll learn later I'll mention it that her mother like her mother had such had such a close bond with her that she knew right away.

She said she, there was not one part of her that believed that she was okay. Oh, that just made my stomach flip. And it's like, it's just because their bond was so strong that she was like, I just know. Right. Which is so sad. To have no hope and to have to pretend to have hope

just for the sake of everybody else. And like, invent yourself to have hope. Exactly. They made up missing posters, and they were posting them everywhere in Clydebank around her work route, around those shops that she stopped at for food in the mornings, everywhere. Police went, like, searched from her friend's house to the work, like, the whole route. They went, like, bit from her friend's house

to the work, like, the whole route. They went, like, bit by bit, by bit, to try to find anything. They were coming up completely empty. Oh my God. And they were like, what the hell happened here? Because they know she was saying that she, I guess she had told her friend Lauren,

you know, like, I'm just gonna stop for something to eat and then I'm gonna go to work. Right. So they were like, somewhere in between getting something to eat and then I'm going to go to work. Right. So they were like somewhere in between getting something to eat because they were pretty sure she did get something to eat and they find out that she did that and going to the bus. Something went wrong.

Something went wrong. What happened? Right. Like where did this happen? It's like a very small plate, like area in a very small length of time that something had to happen. So again, they started at Lauren's home. They went to the bus stop. By her bus stop was this group of shops. Okay. Now, the group of shops was like five or six

shops. I don't remember how many. And so the police were like, okay, let's go in here. So they went into each shop and they talked to each of the owners and were like, have you seen this girl? Right. So they spoke to a guy named Ashi Ahmed. He owned one of the shops and he said, yes, I did see her Saturday morning. Oh, she did come in here. And he said, or no, she didn't come in the shop, but he said, I did see her. And he said, she was going into the deli two doors down. Okay. And I waived at her because he said I often saw page in the morning.

She came to that deli a lot. My heart. And he said, so I waived at her and she waived back at me. You're this is kind of crazy because your story and the story that I'm going to cover have a lot of weird similarities. Oh, really? Oh, that's so weird. It's just reminded me of a part of mine. That's so weird because we don't tell each other whatever he says. No, that's funny. So yeah, he said I saw her and he said I saw her around like eight fifth between eight 15 and eight 30 a.m

He said I know that because I was making the rolls and I make them at the same time every morning I know that that's what it was Good for him to be able to give that much information. He was great He was like very instrumental in starting this to give that much information. She was great. He was like very instrumental in starting this investigation off. Right. And actually her family said, quote, we've known the omets for 25 years.

The family are grateful for what they did because they stood up early and told the truth. Because a lot of people might be a little scared, like in this kind of investigation, they might be a little scared to be like, you know what, I just don't even want to get involved. I'm not even going to say anything. I'm just going to go about my business. But I'm sorry if you fucking have information what I just don't even want to get involved Yeah, I'm not even gonna say anything. I'm just gonna go about my business But I'm sorry if you fucking have information and you don't get involved always get always if you Like in this kind of situation if they come to you and say did you see this girl say everything you saw? Yeah, never hide that shit. No

So he said she had done this in the weeks before she'd come to the deli got in a roll all that good stuff Mm-hmm And she had either stopped at his shop to get a roll or had gone to what he called Johnny's deli a couple doors down. That morning she went into the deli. The deli was actually called delicious deli and it was owned by John Latham, but they knew each other. So he called them Johnny. Sure. Now, Ashy said that they had that he had spoken to Johnny later that night, and he had confirmed that she was in there buying a role in a sausage and that she was cheerful

and bright like she always was right. Nothing was out of the ordinary. He was like, yes, she grabbed a role in a sausage and was on a way like every other, you know, Saturday morning when she does it. Yeah. So police were like, okay. So who in here has CCTV footage of the outside of these shops? Everybody had them on the insides, but like not all of them had them on the outside. One shop had it, and it was Ashia Med shop that had the CCTV.

Oh, shout out to the Yomets. Yeah, the Yomets are really on their shit, right? So they really wanted to see, you know know they wanted to confirm the time she went in the deli. They wanted to see what direction she went when she left the deli because that's what they were like okay great we're gonna see where she went. And maybe like her to me like see if something was something was following her. Yeah like get a better look at what she was wearing. Yeah. Making sure that she didn't seem like a radic, see that she had her phone maybe. Yep. So they're basically just wanting to see what's our next move. Because at this point,

they're just nowhere to go. We've looked everywhere in the route. We don't know what the fuck to do now. Right. So police were like, all right, we just need like a little chunk of this footage. I guess it was on the CCTV footage would record 12 days of footage at a time and then it would loop back and record over that. So they would always have 12 days at a time of footage. So we really only need a few hours of footage here because we're just looking at this day. So we'll just take this chunk of footage.

Yeah. So they bring it back to the station. It has to go through some kind of conversion so they can watch it because obviously it's not just like you know like DBR. Um and so Monday March 21st, 2016 was when they got this that was when a body was found. Oh when they were just getting ready to convert this footage. Oh, no. This was 48 hours after page one missing. Oh, wow. Yeah, really quick, really quick. So a dog walker had been walking in this little wooded area near Clydebank and they had seen human legs under a bush. Oh, no. They immediately called police because can you imagine seeing

human legs just popping out from behind a bush? No, I cannot. I'll fuck you up. They had gone and said So the police so the police showed up and they said it was a young female body And it was only half a mile away from where she was last seen at the shops. Uh-huh. So it's not looking great. The body was taken to be identified at the morgue They were doing a post-mortem workup Her family was contacted. Oh, no, but they didn't know they didn't know if it was page yet

So they contacted her family and said look a body was found just so you know right Her mother Pam said quote the police said it was maybe a 20-year-old girl And I was like it can't be page because she's tiny. She doesn't look 20 right you couldn't mistake her maybe a 20-year-old girl, and I was like, it can't be Paige, because she's tiny. She doesn't look 20. You couldn't mistake her for a 20-year-old, but I knew. I knew on Saturday night that something had happened to her,

because she hadn't contacted me. But then when you hear on the Monday that a body has been found, and it's like five minutes over the back from us, I was like, it's gotta be her. Oh, God. Yeah, and she said she was like, I just knew. Like I knew it. I already know that the police were at their home already at Pam and Andy's home. Yeah. Because they were taking statements from them. Because at this point, she had been missing for 48 hours. Mm-hmm. They were running out of, you know, ideas of leads and stuff.

So they were obviously starting to search her home, speaking with her family, just trying to get any lab they can to anything that they can. Right. So they told her that there were in that area, there were three girls missing currently. Oh wow. Yeah. Two head brown hair. One was blonde. Okay. So her mother was like, obviously this girl you found had brown hair or you would not be coming to me at all So it's not the blonde haired girl, right? It's either page or the southern girl. Sure. So Page obviously page has brown hair. So that evening the other brunette turned out safe. So it's page So Pamela said again, she said I knew Saturday, so it really, I just knew. She was like this obviously I held on to some string of hope, but like in my, in my mother's intuition gut, I knew that that was her. This is really sad. I know.

So Tuesday morning, her mother and some family had to go to the morgue and identify her. Oh God. That's another thing I can't fucking imagine. Oh yeah. Family, family identifying is one of the worst things at the morgue for sure. Do you ever have to be present when that happens? Usually you're not, you're not technically present like you're not standing in the room with them. Yeah. We always let them have time. Yeah. We set the person up and have to get them them ready for their family because you don't want you know, you don't want like medical equipment hanging off of them and like you try to clean them up a little bit and just make sure that as at least as little gore or like shocking thing and as you show as little of them as you can to get yeah.

That must be a our job too. But it's really tough. Yeah. Because some people are very like, you know, very just stoic about it. Yeah. And just want to say they're goodbye. And because that's what we get a lot is a lot of people that just want to say they're last goodbye. Right. And so people will like say they're last goodbye. Some people break down. Of course. Some people start screaming. Some people are yelling their name. It's like, yeah, you never know what you're gonna get. I could never do your job. And in this scenario, this scenario with Paige's mother,

I mean, what she saw, I don't know how she's functioning at this point. Oh no. Because this is awful regardless of how someone died, but the way that Paige died was something that I'm sure scarred them for the rest of their life. Oh no. She died of massive blood loss due to stab wounds. Oh God. Now she had over 100 stab wounds and 250 wounds altogether on her body. 250 her mother said the papers they showed the mother her mother said The paper said she was stabbed upwards of like 126 times

But her mother said it was much more than that. She said they are they are under reporting I think not to scare people right and not to shock people, but she said She said it had to have been all the injuries altogether were upwards of 500 injuries. Oh my God. She said that she was stabbed with more than just a knife. And she could see that right from the jump. Can you imagine your child?

No. This is when I heard her talking about it on a podcast, it is horrific. Yeah, horrific. I can't even and she's just like, yep, this is what happened. Like she's very like like I give her so much credit for keeping kind of like disconnecting. Well, she just she's just keeping it together because one can you might this. She has three other kids. Other children to care of exactly. So it's like she's being a mom and she's taking it, like, or being a parent, I shouldn't say any parent

would do this. But she also said that there was a hole, the size of a fist in her neck. Oh my God. She literally said half her neck was gone. Oh my God. Many of the wounds were to her head and neck. Jesus Christ.

They believe a knife was used as well as scissors and a screwdriver. Oh yeah. The day after her body was found, randomly these random teenage boys posted a photo on social media of a bloody knife saying that this was the knife they used to murder a page. What? Yep. Friends of this boy reported them and said that they were on FaceTime with them and this kid showed him a bloody knife and said he used it to kill page. I never understand this. No. I net this nothing in my body can understand this. Right. And this kid was also calling girls and telling them this. And he was being super detailed about it. Like, he was saying, like, what, what he did,

and like, what he, it was just really weird. They looked into it, they found that it was complete bullshit. Like, what the fuck is in what's going on? Like, are you trying to impress girls? I'm like, I'm scared of them, I'm like, what the fuck? Like, you don't seem like a bad ass if that's what you're trying to look like. You seem like a fucking pro-siever.

Yeah, like, you seem like a a monster and you are a monster for You want 100% are I don't know what happens in these cases when people like pretend to do these things But I mean it's an obstruction of justice, isn't it? I mean, it's derailing and investigation Yeah, because it's pointing it in a different direction. I would assume in some cases They probably use that like would assume in some cases they probably use that. Like if it's them or in some cases they're like, they use it to scare them so they never do it again. Yeah, exactly. So the police go back to the shops and they're like,

all right, so the last person to see her that we know was John Latham, right, at the delicious deli. So he was like, when they went back to talk to him, these other police went back to talk to him. He was like, oh no, I don't know her. And they're like, I don't know who she is. But you just said she was here. And you did know her.

Wait a second, he was like, listen, I have a busy bakery. I don't know who she is. And they were like, you knew her yesterday. And like, she's been in here a ton. Where she goes here all the time. So they take them in for questioning. And after hours of pressing him, he's like, Oh, yeah, you're right. I did see her. She bought a roll on a sausage. Right. Like, yeah. And he seemed, he said she seemed totally normal. Like nothing was weird that morning. He said the same thing that

he said to Ashy Ahmed. He said that she seemed totally normal. Nothing was out of the ordinary. So John Latham was only 31 years old at this point. He was a father of two young kids. He was married to a woman named Katia. He had a young baby with Katia and also had a nine-year-old daughter from a previous relationship named Paige. Whoa.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Oh! Very delete on that one. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. So that's just weird. Very good. Yeah. So they process the CCTV footage. They're able to watch it now.

They have released a lot of the CCTV footage. I don't know if I could watch that. Well, it's nothing, it's nothing gruesome or anything. No, I know. I find those videos of the CCTV footage. I don't know if I could watch that. Well, it's nothing gruesome. I know. I find those videos like the last moments haunting us. It's spooky because on it, you can see page enter the delicious deli at 8.21 AM. So as she I'm in, it was right.

So they're watching the video and they're waiting for her to leave and they're waiting and they're waiting and they're waiting. She never left that deli. That's so scary. And again, they released the footage of that so you can see you're going. She never come out. That's the scariest fucking thing ever.

So they go back to Asshia, man. It's before 8.30 in the morning. It's literally before 9 o'clock in the morning. That's insane. That's like the most unassuming time ever. Like you think, you don't think you're gonna walk into a fucking deli? No.

In the middle of the damn morning, and something like that's gonna happen. So they process, so they went back to Ashi Ahmed and they're like, we need the full 12 day loop of footage because now we need to see what the fuck is going on here, because she didn't leave. So where the hell did she go? Because she was found somewhere else. So he had to get her out of there somehow.

So he gives it right to them. Yeah. They also go back to delicious Delhi and they take John Latham in for questioning. So they also are like, hey, you have a security camera inside your shop. We want the tape to that. So he was like, oh yeah, absolutely.

But I lost it. You can totally have the kid. No, no, he's like, here you go. You can have the tape. So he hands it over to them. Thing is, he gave them partial footage. Now, he cut out most of the footage of that morning. Oh, that's weird.

So when you're saddened, you'll watch and they have the footage from inside. Does it like the link out in the hop-up? All of a sudden it's just like, does just this big chunk missing and then it just goes about. Oh, that's really fucking spooky. In fact, you never even see her in the deli in this footage. Of course not. Yeah. So in the 12-day loop of footage, again, she never leaves that deli. Right. Now they sent in a forensic team to the deli at this point and they're searching for evidence because clearly they know she died here now. Right.

Now meanwhile, they're still going through these 12 days of CCTV footage from Asya Ahmed and they notice that she never left, but two hours after page entered the deli, you can see John literally run out of his deli. It's in the middle of it and it's like a busy morning. Yeah, it's like people really about. Right. He runs out of his deli in a clearly panicked state. Uh-huh.

He runs into another shop next door. He ended up buying some things and then running back into his own deli. Okay. Now they asked the shop that he ran into what he bought there and they were like, oh he bought trash bags bleach and antibacterial wipes. Oh like the most unassuming items that you could possibly buy. Absolutely. If you're in question of murder. Especially around you know like 10 30 in the morning you're just running in there. Just getting a late start to clean. Yeah, just real quick.

Now they start talking to witnesses on that morning again, and they all confirmed that they were like, oh yeah, the deli was open in the morning, and then it closed. Okay. And everybody's like, what? And they were like, yeah, he shut the blinds. Like it was closed.

And they were like, so 821, it's open. And then he just closes it. Can you imagine if you ate at that deli later that day? Yeah. That's fucked. Can you imagine? No. So at 10 o'3 a.m., you see John come out of the deli. He walks to his own car, which is right in front of the deli, because what it is, it's

like these five shops, then there's pavement in front of these shops, and then there's a parking lot right in front of the pavement. So, right in front of these shops, and then there's a parking lot right in front of the pavement. So right in front of the shops are a line of cars. That's actually exactly what I was pictured of. Yeah, that's exactly it. So he comes out, he walks over to his car, he opens his trunk, and he looks like he's clearing space in his trunk. Perfect. Yeah. The next part was never released to the public. Good. They cut this part out her family has seen it I wouldn't want to see John is seen leaving the deli with a big trash bag Now he puts this trash bag in his trunk and at 1159 he gets back in his car from the deli and drives away

Now again page was four foot eight. She's tiny right.. It's not crazy to think, but she could fit in a trash bag. Unfortunately. Oh my God. It's awful. March 24, 2016, John Latham was arrested for the murder of page doughard. Mm hmm. They searched his home. And while this is all going on, the news showed him, you know, he was literally as this is going going on, as they are searching his home, as he's been arrested for murder, he was in news footage as like one of those like, yeah, crazy that this happened in my community. Oh, that's so fucked up. Like, he's one of those that likes to be like in the thick of it.

Oh, this is so work. Because a lot of your cases like mine. That's so funny. It is. So, and like he's talking about how awful it was and he keeps saying I have a child, I have a daughter of my own name to page. This is really hurt like this is breaking my heart for her family. You son of a bitch. Yeah and Paige's mother said that he asked her to come to his house so he could tell her about Paige's the last time he saw Paige.

So he was going to get some like weird satisfaction out of it. Oh yeah. Well, and then her mom is like on this podcast, I'll have to post the link to the podcast that the mom was on because it's really interesting to watch. If you're not from Scotland, it might it's a little hard to understand. Because Scott is Jackson's can be a little hard to understand. The brogue. But I love them. I do too. I love them, love them. But, you know, I'm a sucker. I'm a sucker for a good accent.

I am too, I love it. The Scottish accent is one of the best. Yeah. But it's a really fascinating interview and she's so fucking strong. It's unbelievable. And she says, she was like, yeah, he asked me to come to his house.

And like, was gonna tell me about, she was like, I don't even know, like, what, what did you want to tell me? Like, I don't even know, what did you wanna tell me? Like, I don't need to know about the last time you saw her. Like, that's gross. Right. And then she was like, and then I think about it now and I'm like, what the fuck was he gonna do to me?

Well, yeah. Like, did he know that I was on to him at that point? Like, was he luring me in together to me? Right. And it's like, fuck. So, she said, and she was like, yeah, she's like, I immediately knew he was a fucking creep. I don't want to say even before he was arrested for, and this was all a thing, I knew he was a creep. She got like a weird vibe for that. Again,

this girl, this lady, Pam Monroe has vibes. Mama vibes. So John stuck to his story. He was like, she got a role, she got a sausage, she left. Even though they were like, no. No, but here's the footage that shows she didn't leave. And he's like, man, I don't know, I'll tell you. She wasn't in my, and they were like, you better figure it out. You're a big dumb dumb, John. Right.

A big old dumb dumb. That's exactly what this is. It's like, really dude, they have the footage. Where the, like, Well, that's the most frustrating part is like when you're caught fucking basically red-handed. And it's like, okay Okay, like fess up. That is a trait of Like sociopaths

So like no I do it because it's like to like have the evidence laid out in front of them and be like look though We have you on camera doing that they like no That happens in my case holy shit. Yeah, my I ex-boyfriend who used to do that shit today. That's a gaslighting. Yeah, it's literally gaslighting. You're like, no, I have this text from Ronde. I was like, I've never met Ronde. He's like, no, I had a literal, I had a literal movie stuff.

Movie stuff. Saying, you went to this movie on this day at this place and I held it up to his face and he told me I was wrong. It was a misprint. And I was like, what? But they make you believe it. And I was like, what? And these people are used to getting people to believe.

Even when the evidence is blatantly not in their favor. And he was just, that's, I think that he has probably lived his life getting away with that shit. Like this John Latham, not my ex. I was like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I think John Latham has lived his life getting away with being that way,

with telling people, no, even though they're like, no, I have the evidence right here. He's like, nope, and they just go with it. So he's like, I'm just gonna do it here. He's like, why is this not working? Yeah, why is this not working right now? I'm just like, it involves a murder. That's right.

So when he went to court, he initially didn't enter a plea. OK. Not guilty, not guilty. September 5, 2016, John Latham appeared in court and pled guilty out of nowhere. So this is, so he was arrested on March 24, and it wasn't until September 5th that he went in and played guilty.

Wow. So here's his story. I'm goodie. He said she, that page came in that morning, bought a role in sausage, the same fucking story. But now he says, you know, they chatted a while because remember before he was like, oh yeah, I don't even know who she is.

I didn't even remember seeing her, but now he's like, now he's like, now he's like, okay, yeah, we chatted. He's like, I was making I don't even know who she is. I didn't even remember seeing her. But I'm okay. Now he's like, now he's changed. Yeah, now he's like, okay, yeah, we chatted. He's like, I was making her the role and all that and she was mentioning that she wanted a new job. Er, not true. Mentioning she wanted a new job and that she was like,

you know what, I'd really like to work at this fucking deli. Yeah, who wouldn't? Like, first of all, there's nothing wrong with working at a deli. I'm not saying that, but she wanted to be a hair stylist. Right, it just doesn't make any sense. And she had a job at a hair salon. Right.

Why would she stop working at a hair salon to work at a deli when she wants to be a hair stylist? Right. None of it makes sense. She's not a meat connoisseur. And again, she loved her job. Right. It was well known that she loved her job

So she was like, oh, I really want to work at this fucking deli and John was like cool. You can fill out an application in the back Hmm already. I don't love it. Yeah, so as she he says that she's feeling Yeah, like you can just bring that shit to me out here and I'll sit at a table. Yeah So she he says as she was filling out the application in the back at a table. Yeah. So she says as she was filling out the application in the back, she had said that she was 15 and he was like, Oh, shit, you can't work here at 15. I need to get like special permission from your mom like she needs to sign off. And that's normal like whatever. Well, he says she flipped out because she really wanted to work at that Delhi because she just wanted to work at that fucking Delhi. So bad. Yeah. And he says, so she flips out because she really wanted to work at that Delhi because she just wanted to work at that fucking Delhi so bad Yeah, and he says so she flips out and she says if you don't give me this job

I'm gonna go to the police and tell them that you touched me inappropriately That no nope nope wrong. Bye. I don't think even one of these things tracks John Latham on any galaxy. You've pressed it incorrect. Yeah, John Latham try again, sir. So yeah, so no, it doesn't make sense. Now weirdly enough, he has a twin brother. John Latham does.

He has a twin brother. Who is a registered sex offender? Yo, he's a rapist. Yo. Now, what John said was in that moment when she said, I'm going to tell the police that you inappropriately touched me. He said, I thought about how terrible my brother's life is now. Boo fucking who? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. You're a rapist. Twin brother has some trouble getting a fucking job and shit. What one gives a shit, but apparently he was like,

I thought about how hard his life is now. And so I just couldn't let that happen to me. I couldn't bear that happening to me. So instead I decided to go down as a murderer. I grabbed a knife and I just started stabbing her in the middle of the deli. What part of this makes sense in any universe? No, it doesn't make any sense at all. So it's like, dude, you're fucking idiot. Does he ever come out and say what really happened? No,

that's his story. That's so frustrating. To this day that this poor girl is dead and he's still to this day saying she blackmailed me. She was the one saying that I that she was going to go to the police and say I touched her. It's like in the poly class, mother, how he has to say that one last thing about her dad. Yeah, it's these fuckers trying to get in one last evil dig at these people because they can't come in their fend the stuff. So it's believed that he brought her body back to his home and hid it in the garden shed,

then just hung out with his family. She's, by the way, she has children in his wife. Yeah, no big deal. You're not going to be married to him, not poor woman. Fuck that poor Katya. Pamela believes, so Paige's mom believes, and I agree, that he tried something with Paige that morning, like, tried to come on to her, and that she, like, rebuffed him and was, like, fucking, you're gross in 31. Right right and she already had a job. She loved it That doesn't make any sense so

She was way and again. She was like I said before she was like She was that kind of teenage girl. She was in a fashion and to make up into style and prepare I don't think a deli would be her ideal into style and prepare. I don't think a deli would be her ideal job. To work because it's not like you're she I don't think she'd be wanting to work somewhere where you're getting like down and dirty and like it's just not a super glamorous. It's not. So it just, and he used to work at a deli. None of this tracks. Yeah. None of this tracks. So what Pamela thinks is that he tried something

with Paige. She like was like, fuck no. And he got pissed. And then he was probably worried. And then was worried she's gonna go tell someone now and I'm gonna end up like my brother. And it all happened. That's what happened. But instead, he's gonna put it on her.

Yeah. Why not? Like a piece of shit. Fucking soggy lettuce. Sogy lettuce. Dehydrated asparagus lettuce. So his attention is genetically modified work. Sorry, good.

So his sentencing trial was set for October, October 12th, 2016, he was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 27 years. Wow. Now December 2016, this little turn was like, I wanna appeal for a reduced sentence. Why? Because my sentence is quote unquote excessive. Excessive for murdering a teenage girl.

You know what's excessive? Murder. Stabbing someone 500 times. That's pretty fucking excessive. You piece of fucking garbage. Yeah Like what the fuck in his and I read something where his lawyer said it to he was like they were like It's a little overkill to like give him that a lot and it's like weird how like speaking of Okay, and I you fucking asshole

Like maybe don't use that fucking term. Yeah, and excessive. It's like, this whole fucking thing is excessive, dude. An unnecessary. Well, the court lowered his sentence. You're shooting me? But they only lowered it four years. So they said, they said life in prison with a minimum of 23 years.

So. But he could potentially be parole. Technically, he could be paroled, which is not cool. And he was only 30, so he'd be like 50 something by the time he got paroled, which means he would be out in that fucking deli again, or like somewhere again and could do the same goddamn thing. Exactly because he's an unhinged piece of shit. I hope he dies in prison.

Well, in May 2017, Pamela, uh, Paige's mom, yeah, had a baby girl. Did she name her Paige? Named Penny Margaret Paige. Pamela, Paige's mom, had a baby girl. Did she name her page? Named Penny Margaret Paige. How cute is that fucking name? No. Like Penny Margaret Paige.

That moved my insides. No, I just got a sweeping emotion. And I just like, and after like her baby girl was like stolen from her in that way. And I'm just so happy that her and Andy, her and the stepfather, we're able to have a little girl that has pages, like spirit. I'm gonna get so ridiculous here,

but you know how when somebody passes away and then you have a baby and you just feel like they maybe did something for you, they're evident and not babies somehow. Yes. Absolutely. I believe in that spiritual shit. Totally into it.

You know what I mean? Totally into that. Um, her mom is like, is still trying to keep this case alive. She's still trying to keep pages memory alive. Mm-hmm. They still celebrate Pages Birthday. They donate to a charity in her name. They set up a charity called Paige's Promise.

And I believe it's at pagespromise.org. I'm gonna double check that. Either way, I'm gonna put the link in the show notes for this. And on the website, what Paige's Promise says that they do is, quote, we aim to help other families in similar circumstances. As we quote, we aim to help other families in similar circumstances. As we expand, we want to offer financial assistance to families towards funeral costs or expenses incurred

while off work to cover bills. Our aim is to help families or anyone who's going through tragic circumstances and needs to gain peace and harmony in their life. Wow. So these people started a charity in her name just to help anyone else going through this. And they just like turned it into such like a beautiful thing. And they offer

through pages promise they offer like self-defense classes. Oh, that's awesome. Like they are doing it. I love that. It's unbelievable. And her mom is trying so page apparently had like a bucket list stop that she wanted to like complete. And her mom is trying to go through her bucket list and like do these things. You're hurting me. One of them is like going to NYC, which they did. Learning to drive. Oh my God.

She was only feeling good. Oh my God. Oh my God. Going, getting a tattoo. Yes. Going to Barbados. Stop this. So they did, and it was like, so she was doing all these things in her name.

She also, on the evening that John pled guilty to murdering her at APM that evening, Pam started a campaign called Pout for Page. And it was her taking a photo with like the, like Doug Lips. Yeah, like the Doug Lips because she was 15 year old girl And that's all she had. I duck lips the shit on my like 15 they did pout for page and they started this and it was just to keep her memory alive

Yeah, awareness alive basically It's just people take a photo with the powdered lip and they write half-tagged pout for page There was celebrities doing it. It went like crazy. Like viral everywhere. Like I love that. Yeah. And I guess they still do it every year. Oh my god.

On the day they do Pout for Page. Can we Pout for Page? I totally want to Pout for Page. I want to do that. Let's find out what it is. Because I love it. It's just so simple, but it's like so. And to see celebrities and like big names getting into it.

And you know Paige is somewhere. Yeah, she's somewhere being like, Thank you. Hell yeah, out for Paige. Yeah, you all look great. Yes. And so what's crazy is recently, the owner of the building where the deli was plan to reopen it

as a another food place. No, thank you. Because he was like, and this dude, this person was like, we're losing money. We need to open it again. I'm so sorry. What the fuck is gonna go eat there? Are you kidding me? Not me, sir. Pamela went bonkers, obviously, about this. I haven't found a lot of updates about it, but she was trying to stop this shit from happening. Yeah, fuck. And honestly, I hope she can stop it from happening. You know what they should put there if they were gonna fucking put anything, is a hair salon.

They really should. That's right. Yeah, that's smart. But it's like, I mean, I feel for her even that she just has to probably pass this place at times. You know, to get to where she's going. Her daughter was brutally murdered. That's awful. And for no fucking reason. Yeah, senseless, senseless, senseless.

That's what kills me about this case. I mean, all murders are senseless, but this one is just like She's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's no purpose. There's. There's no purpose. There And then blames her. Yeah, so fuck John Latham. I hope you rots in jail me too and He doesn't make it to get parole because I'm really pissed off about that I do too, so we're gonna follow that real close sure are we're gonna pal for pay We're gonna pal for page everybody should pal for page. Yeah, go take a look at pages promise I'm gonna post the links for all these things It's just really cool and if anybody has ever gone through shit like this, you know

Check out pages promise because they're trying to help everybody who's ever had to deal with this kind of shit. That's amazing. So that is the tragic story of Paige Doherty, but hopefully her memory lives on. Lives on in a good way. And her mom's like fucking badass. She really is. Pam. Pam.

Pam. She's fucking Pam. Pam. She's fucking Pam. Also, can I say that like all I could think of was like Pam from the office and like Andy from Parks and Rec like getting together? Oh my god. Weird. Love that. Sorry. But that makes it like really cool. It's like a, it's like a, I don't know. Emerging of worlds. Correct. So colliding of universes if you will. Yes. Love it. So yeah, so that is the tragic story of PageDirty, but we will post all the good things in there and yeah, we'll do that on Instagram and you can see it at Morbid Podcast. We'll post about it on Twitter and you can follow us at A Morbid Podcast. We will, you'll see it on the Facebook page and the Facebook group. More bid call in a true crime podcast.

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