Morbid - Episode 13: Torture

Episode Date: August 16, 2018

Torture. It's been around since the beginning of time and it used to almost always involve a spike. Today, Alaina and Ash will discuss the various medieval methods of pain and suffering that could only come from the twisted mind of the human species. Strap in, because this is a rough one. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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second now. Let's not say that. Well I'm gonna finish it and then finish it. Well this bad guy is a real bad guy. He's a bad Larry. And he's the one that we premiered our podcast with. We premiered our podcast with Joseph, Dianne Jolo, the Golden State Killer, who is also officially the Vaselia Ransacker too. They've officially said that he's that guy. I mean, we know. One of the big things this week was that he was charged with a 13th murder now.

We had mentioned in the episode that he, there was a possibility that he was involved in the killing of Claude Snelling who is shot Well, he was stopping the kidnapping of a 16 year old daughter. Oh my god, and he died He was a community college teacher. He's officially charged with that now So that's good because that family deserves When does the trial? Do they have a date? I don't know. I don't want it on TV I'm waiting with baited breath But do you think that it will be televised? Um, I don't know that's all to be honest

It'll be on like a snap jar like something later. Yeah, we'll find out about it later for sure And we'll hear all the updates, you know Nancy Grace will be on that shit But I mean he unfortunately can't be charged with any of the burglaries or rapes because there's a fucking statue of limitations on a rape. Which you can't be charged with any of the rapes. He's not charged with any of them. The statue of limitations. I think we talked about that, but it makes me so angry every time I see it.

Because he's charged with more than 50 rapes. And he's just, I know he's going to go to jail until he dies, but I see it, because he's charged with more than 50 rapes. Right. And he's just, I know he's gonna go to jail until he dies, but it's like, and he's like 400 now, but it's like, I want him to be charged with those, and I'm sure those victims of the rapes would want him to be held accountable for him. And he's not going to give them out.

And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. And he's not going to give them out. I know the judge will find something like, if I could I would. Like a ceremonial charge. Sometimes they do like,

you know what I mean though, like judges can say like, oh yeah, if I could I would. If I could I would. Like there was, I forget what case it was, but she was like, if I could I would sentence you for life. I'm not allowed.

Yeah, I can't remember. And she basically was just like, oh in the Jol Rifkin case. Remember? Yes, yeah. The judge was like, you can't remember. And she basically was just like, oh, in the Joe Rifkin case, remember? Yeah, the judge was like, you're disgusting monster. And I wanna make sure, I think he said, like, I wanna make sure that you never see freedom in this life or the next or something like that. Like it was something very poetic and very like, yeah boy.

I'm not thinking that one, I'm thinking of a different one and I'm like watching it in my head right now. Are you thinking of the it's a woman judge woman judge from the Yeah, I know exactly where I'm saying name Larry Yeah, doctor. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Remember she went on like this big long. Oh, yeah And it was like the letter that he wrote that was bitching. Yeah, just like a lot of it was yeah Yeah, yeah, so I hope something like that happens We're talking about the the US gymnast doctor who is charged with like a billion sexual assaults and rapes because he's a monster.

That fucking guy. But yeah. So that's exciting. Current true crime news. Hell yeah. But for today, we're going to bring in a way back. We are taking a trip in the way back machine today. What do I know always says that she would not do if she had a time machine.

Oh, I would never go back to the middle ages. That is not, that is not, if you were like, I don't even think it's safe for like dudes to do that. Well, do you know what I was going to say? But it's really not safe for me. I almost just said, I would only go back if I was royalty, but then sometimes even royalty. Sometimes your head gets chopped up. Like, in Berlin?

Yeah, yeah. Especially if you're a woman, you're really. Women are really not there. Yeah, I wouldn't go back there. I also wouldn't go to the future. No, I don't know what to expect. I don't know what to expect. No.

I'd go to like the 70s and the 80s. I'd go back to like the 90s. Yeah, I feel like we're in the 90s. I go watch like, are you afraid of the dark? Yeah. And just chill. Actually, realistically, I'd just go back to when I was like 10 so that I wouldn't have to work anymore.

And I would just stay there for a while. Just chill for a little while. Or I go to the future because maybe someday, like, I'll just like have my partner. You just said you work and gonna go to the future. No I just but I was changing. You changed your plan. I would take a sneak peek.

Yeah they. And then if it was real bad I would go. Real step out. Yes. Knif around. So you was going on and then get right the fuck out. But if I could be lazy in the future I'm all about it. Oh yeah.

I think everybody would be all about that. Take me there. Who doesn't want to be lazy? Yeah. Yeah. I'm all about it. Oh, yeah, I think everybody would be all about take me there who doesn't want to be lazy Yeah, yeah, I want to be lazy Mail the mail man just came and gave the shit out of me. Oh, okay, so this that yeah guys We're actually recording in the middle of the day, which is weird because we never recorded in the daytime And I love that we're like more spooked out during the day We are very much like moon dwellers. We are like the sun's out. I'm like what's happened? Why is it so bright? I'm in all blockers.

It's the worst. Sabrina Bettina, which is on the television. Yep. As per you. Literally. Should we should we jump on in? So in 570. I'm just kidding. today today we're gonna be covering various methods and devices used in torture. Oh Yeah, so this is kind of we're going way back Because these aren't not that I know of at least used and if they are I don't want to say maybe one of them But we'll cover that later. I kind of have all sort of animals Just do it. Actually, it went away. I really had to.

All right, so should I start? Yeah, we're Ash is going to do hers, and then I'm going to do a list of mine. Because guess what? Weirdos. Ash did some research this week. Ash research. And at the top of the page is the brazen bowl.

The brazen bowl. That's my first, what's it called? My first like, torture device. Device, yeah. My first torture device. And it was invented somewhere between 570 and 554. B-C. Bracelet.

So like way way back. Yeah. It was invented by Paralos of Athens. Paralos is a great name. Paralos. Paralos. Paralos. Paralos like goatee. Paralos. Paralos. Paralos. Paralos. Paralos. Like Goatee. He's just like Paralung. It sounds Paralus. So it sounds like... Well just wait actually.

You're dangerous. Dangerous. Yeah. Dangerous. So Paralus was a bronze worker and he designed the brazen bull to execute criminals in a super chill way. Yeah. Sounds pretty chill so far. Actually, I'm kidding. It was really fucked up. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. So the brazen bowl was a legit statue of a bowl and it was hollow, but made of bronze. That's pretty. So I read an article on all that'sinteresting.com and the article was really interesting. Yeah, that website has all that is interesting. Yeah, that actually does. Yeah. But it was described as a human crock bot on this website.

Oh, that sounds delicious. And potentially the most fucked up torture device in history. Yeah. Because I use a crock bot often for humans. But I don't normally put humans in it. Yeah, it's just like a like celebratory place. Like usually I throw some like check in, and some veggies in there.

Right. But after this, maybe I'll give it a shot. Yeah, I hope it's not with me though, because you need a podcast host. That's true. Okay, cool, bye. Yeah, I won't be for you. All right, so basically in ancient Greece,

there was a colony which is a craigus, a craugus. I love it. It smells gray. It smells gray, so. I like that better. Just, just like, we're just I love it. It sounds gray. Sicily so like that better just Sicily. We're just gonna call it yeah, and it was ruled by a tyrant named Falaris So don't get yourself mixed up. There's parallels. There's phalaris. Ooh, it's a lot of peace. All right He ruled on iron first. Wait. I just got confused. Yeah, it's not too phalaris. Okay, parallels for loris

Okay, according to Adam, we don't need a pop filter on this, so that's exciting. So that's exciting. Yeah, so we can go, and it's not gonna piss you off. Your eyes got wicked wide. Not because I was like kind of terrifying. So, Phalaris was a gynaecal. I felt like he would be. But Paralus was like, oh my god, I'm gonna make this brass ball torture rice, and my master

Phalaris is gonna think it's super dope Because he's a big dick. Yeah, he's a dick and I'm gonna make him a dickish invention So that means I'm gonna look at cool. Yeah, so I see his train of thought. I'm with him. Yeah, I smell what he's stepping in So how he designed it is that the person gets put inside the bowl and then a fire is lit underneath The crock pot. Yeah, so basically the poor motho just burns a lot. Fun. Yeah, it's really chill. I wonder if they have a low and high setting, like a crock pot, where you can simmer them

on low for a little while? Well, I think in that case, you would just make a small fire. Oh, there you go. And then you could just keep adding wood to the fire. Well, they do. So then you would get more tender meat. You know, this was BC. It was like, they had to just work with what they have. Yeah, but I feel like they were on it

No, this is like some like modern day shit like I was like parallels. How did you come up with this? Who you be parallel? Like how'd you know this? So he designed it so that the pipes and whistles that he like put inside the bowl Convert the screams of those inside to sounds of a bull snorting and grunting. So this poor like SOB is like, I'm with the people on the outside are like, like that's what it sounds like. So to bull sounds like. That's like a bull's just walk around going, can you do your best bull impression then? I like that one to be honest. Well they they also started just picturing bulls walking around and be like, well, bulls are mad.

They're just like grunting. Thank you. I like that he festooned it though. Like he made it fun. He did. He literally added the bells and whistles onto it. Well, so, you know, he made it really fun. Yeah.

But supposedly he was the first victim of it. Oh, so that comment I feel. Yeah. He told Fulara, sorry, I Ooh, saw that comment I feel. Yeah. He told Filaris, sorry, I just totally lost my train of thought. That's fine. Um, so supposedly he told Filaris goodbye. He told that guy. So we said to this guy,

his screams will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest, most pathetic, most melodious of bellowings. Ooh. And Filaris was really disgusted by that because he was messed up, but he was like, that's messed up. And he was like, I have a line. Yeah, and you just went way past it.

Every tyrant dictator person has a line. And this was part of Filaris' line. So he was so disgusted that he threw him inside. He threw him through Peralus inside. And in my notes, I wrote Filaris was so disgusted that he threw Filaris inside. But he threw Peral a philaris was so disgusted that he threw philaris inside. But he threw philaris inside. They just jumped right at there. The rule himself. You know what? Goodbye cruel world.

Like that fire. I hate that people like you exist. I'm just jumping in here. Yeah, no, he threw philaris inside to test out the sound system. Just to test it out. He wanted to know. We're just going to give it a shot. But we just want to adjust the sound. Yeah, just like adjust the bass and the tempo a little bit. Right. Jump in there real quick. You know, just like let's let's see. We're working with. Yeah. So it's unclear if he got pulled out before he died inside or if he was killed after. But either way, Phil or us had parallels killed. I imagine he probably did it in the Brazambul because they were like poetic as fuck perilla.

Oh yeah. And they were like, oh you made this so we're gonna burn you in it. Well, either way he died because I just thought of something really gross. The smell. Well that, but also, can you imagine the person that has to like clean inside of it? Between people? Do you think they even did that? Probably not.

But it's like, when you open that thing, it's probably just like people juice all up in there. Yeah, that's nasty. Maybe they just like emptied it out until like, imagine me the person was empty, that shit. Well they just used to throw their poop in the street. I know, but it's just like, I just, you just like turn your head the other way and toss it out the window.

You know what it is? I have like this weird thing where I don't like wet food. No, that's not a weird thing. Like when you put a plate in the sink, like someone will put a full set of things in there. Yeah, I don't like that. And food gets soggy. Yeah. That, like the stuff that gets caught in the drain from others.

Or else me out. I can't. So I just imagine like soggy people and that's, that's real bad. That's kind of like how reasons remind me of old people. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly the thing. I just, I don like how reasons remind me of old people. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly the same. I just, I don't know. You said soggy people, so I thought of just like really old people.

Like you thought of these soggy people. Yeah. I see where the connection was made. Okay, so the next one is the Iron Maiden. The Iron Maiden. Not the bands. So metal. Is that one of their songs? That's definitely one of their songs. I don't know

a single one. Sounded just like it. Damn it. Yeah. Ashton's a really good air guitar of my first year full-time. Well, I'm really good at it. It was like an air violin. Oh, I was like one of those people that you watched two cellos. Yes, I love two cellos. Yeah, I but they could cover it I made it so good. I'm just itching my eyes. They probably have covered an Iron Maiden song now But I think about it. They've covered an ACDC song song All right, well, we're not talking about the band. This is the Torture device. Yeah, and it comes to you straight from the likes of Miss Trumbulls the Chokey snap bring it back to Muntil and if you don't get that reference like get on my face I also thought that you were gonna say it it

comes straight to you like it yeah it comes to me throws it right out and I was like well least it does that no it doesn't so it's an upright sarcophagus to get started okay with spikes already this sounds okay yeah it's an upright sarcophagus to get started. Oh, okay with spikes. All right. This sounds okay Yeah, it's like comfy. Yeah, you just go and take a nap inside for sure and you just avoid the spikes. Yeah, except But once you're placed inside and the doors are closed the strategically pay laced Spikes the place to spikes pier several of your vital organs. mean, was there an ant on you or something? No. I thought there was something.

Things are happening right now. Where's the daytime? We don't know how to do this. We don't function in the daytime. I need the moon. Yeah. I need some bats fluttering by. I feed off the energy of the moon.

I feed off the energy of the moon. We have an exciting announcement. And now you have to listen to the whole rest of the podcast because we're going to announce it at the end. Ha ha ha. Okay, so it People like your vital organs the moon coming on your book Yes, we're having an astronaut on the actual moon is going what's that guy that your kids like Scott Kelly Scott Kelly is gonna be on the podcast my two and a half year olds are obsessed with Scott Kelly. Yeah, so there's that

Vital organ spikies. Yeah, no good, but no good. The spikes weren't long enough to make your organ shut down immediately. That's unfortunate. So you just bleed out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I just rather it all be. Yeah, it would take like, I mean, I'm sure you know, so you just stand there and slowly have your fucking organs poke down and like you know like juice floating out of your well and you know like when you like when you like it's floating in front of you when you go to like like when something hits you you move back so then you probably just move back into another one and then you try to move forward so I remember you close to phobic

yeah I just took a breath. So this might make you feel better. Oh good. Sometimes people argue if the iron made an asfactor fiction. That kind of bumps me out. Yeah, I mean, either way it like it was it was a thing. And if it was a thing, back then they used it. Well, I'm aware the worst species ever ever.

So I'm certain it was used because if all of these other ones were done, then mean this one isn't even as bad as some. No it's really not. Okay well these are a few accounts. Okay so in the 1700s German philosopher Johann Philippe Johann Cbenkiss. You're welcome. I like it. We're about a coin forger which I think is just somebody that like makes fake money. Yeah that makes sense. Or like just forges coins out of metals. Yeah, because if you think like she forged a check, like you're right about check. Like you're just, like fake ass check.

You're a fake ass house. Fake ass, but yeah. Yeah. So he was in, that's what he was. So the guy that wrote about this, Yohan. Motorcycle destroyed by, you probably heard that. Well, you know, I just can't stop the outside.

My neighbor got a motorcycle and I'm so happy for him Which neighbor one down the street? Okay, Elena has this neighbor. I'm 100% sure he doesn't listen to the podcast. Yeah, I'm sure he is like the nicest guy And he's so funny and his laugh is literally I'm gonna do it the most contagious laugh you've ever heard It bellows throughout the neighborhood. He almost okay I started watching Doug the bounty Hunter again the other day because it's something that I don't know if I can support it. It's a great show.

I was raised watching Dog the Bounty Hunter. Wow. Yeah, which says a lot about what I was brought up, but it's hi mom. So anyways, he sounds just like Dog the Bounty Hunter's laugh. I've never heard Dog the Bonnie on his yet laugh. Well it sounds like the impression I just say that sentence correctly so. That's so far out of that. My favorite part of yesterday's episode that I was watching was Beth Hanna Necklisson

that said Big Daddy. I hate this. It's the most disgusting word I ever heard. I hate this. But she calls him Big Daddy. I hate it. Okay I'm done. I hate it a lot Where were where was I going with your neighbors? I don't know I was saying that I'm very happy for my neighbor who got a motorcycle recently

Yeah, and I don't know if like the sarcasm is registering She's not happy over the podcast waves, but not super psyched about it. All right so the coin voucher got executed. He got executed in the iron maiden in the city of I think you're saying new rumberg. Nuremberg. Nuremberg. Which is a germany. That seems like germany. Purportionate punishment. Yeah like like I don't know. He probably just could have did some time and yeah. What's the thing where they put your head and then your... The stocks, the stocks. It's the room in there for like a couple of days. It's fine. Alright, so around that time, Iron Maiden's began to appear in museums around the US and Europe. Bless you. According to one article I read,

I'm blessed. A man by the name of Matthew Peacock, which seems legit. Paulonians. Paulonians. And Matthew Peacock, right book. They hang there, yeah. She's in 1800s. Yeah. Well Matthew. I bet Paul onions has transported through time. Yeah, he's seen some shit. Yeah. He escaped with Ivan Malat. He's had to travel through space and time. Probably. Well Matthew Peacock's about the 1800s collecting paintings and torture devices. Same. He had a wide variety of interests. So he allegedly pieced an iron maiden together from pieces of other torture devices, the Sashranum devices, and he gifted it to a museum where people went crazy over it because they thought it was a real iron maiden. Yeah, they believed it. What a turd. Yeah. But here's my favorite one.

This one? Okay, you know how like folklore isn't always true. Yes. I feel like this isn't true, but I want it to be true. Ooh. It's just a little too advanced for the time of 100 BC. I don't know, they were pretty on it back then. Alright, so this account comes from Greek historian, Polybius.

See, and I know him, and he always tells the truth. Oh, okay. Well, how do I pronounce his name? Exactly how you did. Polybius. Exactly. Lived around 100 BC, like I said, and claimed that Spartan tyrant, Nabus, or Nabus.

Oh, yeah. I know, no, I know that guy. Yeah. Well, did you know that he constructed a mechanical likeness of his wife a paga? That is really advanced for But it was an iron maiden version of his wife What the fuck?

Supposedly So if a citizen refused to pay their taxes He would like trick them into coming to his royal courts or whatever it was Yeah, and then he they would think that like his wife was coming to join them But she's fucking the kid go white. Yeah, but she had to like wheel over so I'd be like first fucking give away She's on wheels. It sounds like the Return to Oz the wheelers. Yeah, well, it's just So they would think that his wife was there because they're really fucking

But and then somehow, basically he would like spring them into her embrace where they'd be impaled by the iron nails that covered her arms, hands, and breasts. I mean, that sounds legit. Yeah, I believe it, Pauline. When I was reading it, I was like, I don't know. Something is off. Maybe I missed something. I don't know. Yeah, off. Maybe I missed something. I don't know.

Yeah, it sounds legit to me. I believe it. I believe Pulla, you know, that guy. Well, maybe they do, I mean, they debate if it's still around, but the fucking crazy stories are still there. That's awesome. Yeah. Iron Maiden.

So that was the Iron Maiden. The metal Iron Maiden. Yeah. My next one is the boots. Oh, das boots. And then, okay, so there's two methods that I found. In both of them, I don't know if it's like fortunate or unfortunate.

Right, well, you don't die. Oh, it's never good when it ends with like, this is just torture. Yeah, you're not gonna die. You're gonna walk away from it or you're gonna crawl away from this or slither away from this. Seriously.

Okay, so in the first method, the victim has boots placed on their feet made of spongy leather. That just sounds nice. It just sounds like it sounds like soggy food. Ooh, spongy leather, soggy food. It's like moist old people reasons. Fuck you. The word moist doesn't bother me. Is that why you keep saying it? Moist cake. That's what I think of moist. I think it's just a nasty ass look on your face that ruins it. That word only bothers me if people say it in like a yucky way. Yeah. I'm moist from being outside. Like it's like sweaty. Yeah that really browned it somewhere that I'm I just meant sweaty. Well, that's what I mean. Yeah.

Oh my god. That's what you just brought. I'm just sweaty too. So the boots. Dust boots. Um, spongy leather. They're then tied up with their feet by fire. Things get pretty serious pretty quick because what you're saying.

No, they're just trying to make them relax. Steer some boots. Warm your string. Warm your string up by a fire real quick. Yeah, just like hang out. Yeah. But that I'm going to pour this boiling water onto your boots. That's great.

That's great to shake that too. That escalated quickly. So then that water seeps through the leather and dissolves the flush. And it says it dissolves the bone too. Yeah, that's not the thing. It's really hard to get rid of bone. And then in some cases, wood was placed inside the boot, like probably like on the top in the bottom and then they would pour oil inside to expand the wood and cut off the circulation to the foot.

What the fuck? So they like smoosh it, that's what I thought. Yeah, that like cuts it all off. Moo-oo. Yeah, so basically your feet are just real gnarly gross from that on and then in the second Cruddle circulation long enough. It'll they'll die so this have like these Necrotic nasty feet. Yeah, their feet will die. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, feet will die. Oh, yeah gross dead feet I'm just looking at my feet now

Ouch, I know I'm like cradling my feet right right behind my hand. I'm like massaging it like you still there. You're okay. I'm not putting you in any boots. Okay well the second version cradling your feet a little in your shins a little tighter. Oh so they would place the victim's legs between two planks of woods and then they would tie it together with cords. And then between the cords, the torturers would place wedges, which they would then violently hammer into the shins of the victim. So thus creating them wood boots. Those are boots.

That's not cool. It's a a artistic license. That's like hobbling like from a misery. Yeah, that's Stephen King novel. That sounds horrible. It's a great movie with Kathy Pates. Okay, well each time a wedge was hammered, a small portion of the shinbowen shatters. And then they would hammer at least a dozen wedges up and down the legs. Oh my dam. So like your whole tibia? Yeah, your tibia would just fuckin' It's just done for, like it's, it falls apart.

Ugh. So then your legs are just like jello legs. It's just like lullaby. And you just have bone shards floating around. Would you die? Would you eventually get an infection? And die. Probably, because anytime they got an infection back then,

you die real? Because they had nothing to fix that. Well so anyways, they were unable to walk after that. So they probably just killed them. So you just swithered away and then died from infection. Mm-hmm. Sounds good. So that was the boots.

Dust boots. Next one is gonna piss you off. Uh-oh. The Skulls' bridal was a gruesome torture instrument. Warned to prevent women from gossiping. Kind of damn women. Just like a big fuck you to guys back then. Yeah.

Like I can gossip if I want you. I can talk shit if I want you. I gossip all day. Yeah. Every day. That's, you are a hairstylist. That's part of your job. I mean, you're not wrong.

So basically the term speaks for itself because back in the day, schooled was like a derogative term for women. Or like a womanogative term for women or like a woman who was constantly displeased or like nagged too much. So like you. I was just gonna say, you're healthy. Just kidding.

And then the bridal is a headpiece design for a horse over there. I was gonna say, isn't that like a horse? Yeah, the bridal is. So already that's nice. So it's to direct it when cool like riding. Yeah. The device is an iron muzzle enclosed in iron framework That would surround the head of the accused

Sounds like that thing and so So the intention was to prevent the person wearing it from speaking and Sometimes well the brittle bit would like go in your mouth, but sometimes They would put a spike on the brittle bit or the bradal bit, excuse me, so that if the woman tried to talk like the movement It appears like town for town. And like then if you it would just ruin your whole life. Did they just have like Somebody had like a mountain of surplus spikes. You know there was a spike factor All the time and they were like what do we do with this mountain of spikes? And they were like let's just make some fucking shit that rips people apart with it.

Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly the problem. Spikes on everything. So if that wasn't bad enough, there's also a public humiliation part of this. I thought that was the public humiliation part. Yeah. But then your husband would drag you in the streets

on a leash. Meow-it. Like, hey, let's get divorced in US hole. Where people were encouraged to yell insult spit on you and like inflict more violence on you. Maybe that's where they got it in Game of Thrones. That's what I was thinking the whole time. With the shame, Val. She sounds exactly like it. Um, an early record of this practice took place in Scotland. Scotland? Well, like this isn't anything to

chair about. In 1567. Well, it was also the method was also used in England and Wales. Yeah, see they did it too. Yeah, everywhere, sure. But Bessie, Taley for Bessie. Bessie. Slendered this guy named Bailey, which is your dog. Bailey, Bailey Hunter because of false measurements and a land dispute So I think she someone was trying to buy land and he was like it's this big, but she was like no, but it's just this big And then she got that shit put on her. Yep, because she was a woman and she was sentenced to it for one hour one hour Yeah, well one hour of a reputable damage if it they had

Yeah, they can tear up your town. Right. Also, in Walton on Thames, which is a town in England, I think, a skulled bridal, I like looked on Wikipedia really fast. That's how I research. But a skulled bridal dated 1633 is displayed in the vestry of the church. That's how we say it, vestry. You're asking the wrong person about that.

I like wasn't even baptized. I don't know. The inscription reads, it sounds like something that would be in a church. I think it's vestry. I like it. Right in. But it says,

Chester presents the Walton with a bridal to curb women's tongues that talk to idle. Necessary and also poetic. Love that, it's a problem. You know, I didn't realize that until I said it out loud I was writing it and I was like what if I'm gonna so I feel like this sounds so flowery I don't know why so the story goes that someone named Chester lost a large fortune because of the ladies gossip I bet it was Chester's fault of course it was I'm gonna do with the ladies

gossip but he lost money and then he presented the town with the bridal out of anger and spite. So he was like, here you go, real pissed. And then my last one. Do you want to guess what it's called? It's called... The R is the initials. The barnacle repairer. Nope, it's the breast ripper.

Oh, so close. So it rips off your titties. Oh, I thought it went on your head. Nope So it's also known as the iron spider or just the spider and you guessed it super fucked it super awesome But if you were real-friendhood offended actually by the skulls If you were a friend if you were a friend and by the skulls That's weird delete your Facebook. Yeah Then this one you should just set it out because it was a fun story.

And they like reserved like special ass torture for girls. Yeah, that was nice of them. So this one's really short and sweet into the point. It was a claw-like device, ended in spikes, and they either heated it or left it cold. I don't know which one is worth. They would just put it on your boobies and rip your boobs right off. Or they would hang it on a wall and then attach your boobies to it and then like yank you away. So that the wall ripped your boobies off kind of.

Oh, and that is... Oh, my research on boobs! And the medieval times. I'm still like having a moment about that. Are you? Yeah, my boobs hurt real bad. Like thinking about that after I like research. Yeah, that's a lot.

And my tongue hurt because of the scolds, bridal. Yeah, I feel like everybody's gonna walk away from this feeling really sore. My organs hurt because of the iron maiden. Yeah, that's not okay. And I felt like I was on hurt because of the iron maiden. Yeah, that's not okay. And I felt like I was on fire because of the presidible. Well, I'll start mine off with one that's like the breast ripper in the sense that it just gives you everything right up front. You don't have to get what this one is all about. Okay, it's called the head crusher. Like I said, pretty straightforward.

It's back in medieval times, of course. Sorry. I was actually throwing things. It's back in medieval times, of course. Sorry. I was actually throwing things So what it was was there was a bar that you would place your chin on to Then on top of your head was a cap-like device. There was a little screw on top that they would twist and twist and twist and Eventually it was like a vice and your head would go crunch pop boom. It was pretty awesome So your head would basically pop and it would be crushed and this happens super slowly super painfully And the first thing that would happen Stresses me out a lot. What is it your teeth? Your teeth would shatter in your mouth. Oh fuck. I hate teeth Thanks. Yeah, and then after that your eyes would pop out of its sockets. No. Yeah. No goodbye. And then

boop. Dad. Pop goes to bed. Except once in a while. Because a lot of these were like elicit confessions or just for punishment. So if they were doing this to elicit a confession, they might stop after they've popped your eyes out of your head and your like half way have popped your eyes and your teeth have shattered and I'm like okay thank you for confessing. And then you walk away with no teeth in your eyes are like garbage. Yeah. That reminds me of the guy from Harry Potter with that big old eye.

Yeah. That's exactly the same. Oh. And a lot of these, now a lot of the ones I'm going to go over were done for such heinous crimes like homosexuality. Bye. Blast for me. Bye.

Bye. Witchcraft. Bye. Yeah. So, I'm gonna have my head glow in rage on. No, I don't think anybody would do great. So, the first big one I'm gonna go over is called the Blood Eagle. Oh this is right banding. I know about this. Great like hard like dark metal band name. Oh god. So it's

probably the most nightmareish thing I've ever heard happening to take yourself to. It was popular among Vikings. The Vikings are just fucked up. They're known as a very mellow bunch. So this is a departure. And it's believed by some scholars to be something done as an offering to the North God of War Odin before and after battles, so like for good luck or something. Like you know some people... Like maybe just wear your lucky socks. Yeah.

It's it's the same. Roba Rabbits, it's the same. Roba rabbit's fun. Pretty much the same day. And according to 12th and 13th century scholars, it was most popular in Scandinavia because Vikings. And it was reserved when it wasn't being used just as like a pump-up thing for battles. It's just like a pregame. That's a pregame for battle. Then it was used for literally the worst of the worst people. I don't think anybody served this, but no, I don't think so. So basically the blood eagle went a little something like this. No!

The unfortunate captive would be kneeling or laying on their stomach. It's not ready from there. Yeah, not a good position to be in. No, just try to get out. Obviously they would be restrained in some way to prevent them from getting up or breaking free or trying to get the fuck up out of the car cause some bads gonna happen. So first, the back was carved. Nope.

Sometimes it would be carved in the shape of an eagle, but that was not necessary. But either way, the thing that was the most important was that they opened up your back in some way. That was the main purpose. When they did that, the victim's rib cage was then cut away from the spine with an axe, and subsequently pulled out one by one away from the spine and out through the back, and the rib cage was then pulled up to slightly resemble wings, which I have not seen a bird flying around with a ribcage shot out of its back,

but I'm not in Scandinavia, so I don't know. Um, maybe birds are different. Maybe birds are different. Let's take a picture. Scandinavian listeners, let us know. I'm spoo. Do you have crazy skeleton birds floating around? I don't know. I want pictures. I'm not going to guarantee it's not a thing.

Pixard didn't happen. So you would really have to like suspend reality or give a lot of artistic license for this to resemble an eagle, but we're going with it. So to make the wing look, you know, because this this looked like a bird obviously, but we could get it more authentic, right? So to take it to an entirely new level of suffering, the victims lungs were then pulled out one at a time and laid over the ribs because what are wings without fleshy air bags striped on them? I mean, I'm in a dark place. A dark place. Who hasn't seen a bird flying around with fleshy airbags?

Ready raise a touch to the... Who among us? Who? I don't know, bro. So obviously if the victim managed to somehow live through this door, or which who knows, stranger things have happened, they would just slowly suffocate to death after their lungs were pulled out through their back. On top of that, they would rub souts in the victim's wounds because... Throughout the whole time or just after at

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Uh, or gal, I don't know if I've done, I don't see any records of it happening to gals But Vikings man major yikes, so that's the blood eagle. Oh, man Now let's take a little trip over to the strapado Strapido Strapido also called Corda. Not sure why Corda. Yeah, I like strapado better. Yeah It was used to torture heretics, which is in anyone else that stepped out of the very fine line of living in Medieval times. Yeah, like what could you do? Basically, it's like, let me

get out of bad day and now you're in this rapido. It was used a lot during the Spanish Inquisition. That was a fucked up time. It was, it was a time. It was a moment. It was a day. There were three main ways in which this was administered. The first one was the victim's arms are tied behind their backs with a rope. Also never a good position. Yeah, no. And then the rope is attached to a police system, and the victim is lifted into the air with their arms inverted, which they then dislocate violently behind them. Now the second method is basically the same as the first, except the victims would be stopped in mid-air several times to increase the pain and suffering. They would also cause the victim to jerk around so that they would

effectively break the shoulders. Because who needs shoulders? Shoulders like that. That's no joke. That's pain. And then the third method was kind of the same as the first two, except this time they, you know, just add a weight to your ankles so that you really get your joints ripped apart. Oh my god! So that's fun. Now usually this torture was completed within an hour and it was not used to cause death. So these people were then let down and

all the way you go. Come again soon. And then you're just going to have rotator cuff problems for your whole life. Yeah, that's exactly the issue you're gonna have. It's a busted rotator cuff. So that's a stirrapido. The next one is called the rack. Oh no, I know about the shit. This one's fun. So in the rack, a victim would be secured to a board of some sort by having their wrists and ankles cuff to it. No. It's never good when you're secured to a board. As you will see when we cover John Wayne Gacy, it's never good for that. Nothing good happens attached to a board. He's so weird. Also Dean Korra, I think, used a board. A lot of boards. This was the long, the same lines. It's real bad. So then chains would be attached to the cuff and the other end of the chains would attach to a wheel. There was a crank that would then turn said wheel and this would cause the chains to slowly

tighten. Oh no. Now as this happened it was pulling your arms and legs and stretching them. Good bye. But not just stretching. The joints, sockets, ligaments, tendons would all completely snap and crack. Oh. Now sometimes they would even go way past stretching

and just pull the fucking limbs right off your body. Fuck you! Now, if they didn't take it that far, the muscles would completely lose the ability to contract. And at some point, this person would be completely unable to move and likely unable to control like basic bodily functions, like their bowels. I feel like at the end of this, they probably just left them to die.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're just like, hmm, I'm not gonna totally kill you, but it's not gonna leave you here. Because you're gonna die anyways. It's gonna be slower, it's gonna be relatively quick. So there were other variations on this method that were common, like along with the stretching, sometimes the rack would include a bed of nails or spikes. So the person would lay upon these sharp

objects while they were being stretched. What if they just had any spikes left over from everything else they made? If they were next to a pile of spikes, they would just throw a few on there and they were like, let's do this. Oh, and there were spikes everywhere in the house. Yes. We don't want to waste spikes. No, some need. Some need to be spiked. Some need to be spiked, those. Now this clearly caused a lot of fucked up noises. If you've ever cracked your knuckles, cracked your back, heard anybody else doing it.

I broke my pelvis when I was like in summer going into eighth grade. And that popped that you hear people across my summer camps that they heard it. And it was like gross. I can like still hear it. Yeah. It's a disgusting. And that's just like a small portion of what you'd hear here. Oh, good. Cause so many things would be crack a lot. And well, this for this reason, torture wasn't only used for the unfortunate person attached to the rack. It was

also used as a method of a listening confession from accused heretics by having them watch someone else be tortured on the rack. The sound inside of someone's tendons, ligaments and joints just fucking tear in a part and popping all over the place was actually enough torture that it turns out that this was a pretty effective method for a listening a confession.

Because if you think about it, you're fucking watching somebody pull the part slowly and the sounds would drive you mad yeah so yeah that's the rack oh that's the rack rack and that's a wrap she should be called the ripper ripper the rack ripper gee. That's what the breast ripper should have been called the Rack Ripper. Oh that's funny. Oh that's funny. Oh my god that was funny. That was funny.

Good job incredulence. You're like sometimes hilarious. I am sometimes. Only a little bit. On to the next. On to the next world. This one's called the wheel. It's also called the Catherine wheel or the breaking one. This one's called the wheel. It's also called the Catherine wheel or the

breaking wheel. My Catherine. Because you know Catherine, you know what she's all about. I know. This was used during the Spanish inquisition. Okay. It was the cousin of the rack. Zerat. Zerat. And it was intended for the purpose of capital punishment or for torture to illicit confessions. Good. Same these. Same these. So there would be a large wagon wheel where the accused would be stretched out all over. Posing out.

They would be attached to it some way restrained. And then they would be severely beaten with clubs, thick branches, and you know, stuff like that. No thing. And because they were stretched out on a wheel with open spaces between all the spokes, their bones would fucking break. Oh, because of all the off angles. Yeah. And it was used for the purpose of torture.

And then while the torture, after the torture was complete in that respect, it would continue because the person would then be either removed from the wheel before deaths happened, or you would be straight up bludgeoned to death and left on the wheel for everybody to see. And then there's other ways where you weren't bludgeoned to death, you were just left on that fucking wheel to die after they broke all your bones. Wow, how long do you think that would take? They said they could leave a beaten broken body on that wheel for days, and they would just slowly infection with seven.

And they'd go starving and hungry. Yeah, but they, honestly, they probably die from the infection like quick. Because all those broken bones and shit, and I'm sure bones were popping through skin and stuff. Oh God, that's so nasty. Yeah. So if they were gonna,

if they were using it for Caput, like to kill you, then they basically would leave you up there and just keep administering beatings until you finally just died. No, from the time I'm not interested. And no matter what, you were on public display during all this. I had people like to watch it like that back then.

She was mayhem back then. Like people used to like join in in on stonings and stuff. On stonings, stoning. People were just joined in. They were just joined back then. Yeah, they were just joining with stonings. No, I think they needed to be stoned. They did.

Because they used to bring like kids to like public hangings and guillotine. My first college English assignment back before I dropped out of college. Yes. Back in the middle ages. It was like a short story about somebody getting stoned. And then we were supposed to write a paper about morals.

Somebody getting stoned, like smoking the... No, like somebody getting like legit stoned. Yeah, or like... No, it wasn't stoned. It was like a book about like one once a year they would have to like pick a name out of like the town and that person would get an extender hung. It's called the election or something. It's like the Hunger Games.

Yeah, literally. But we had to write a paper on it. And I remember reading it and I was like, why am I in college? Why am I in college? And then you were like f**king dropped out. And I dropped out. Well, the next one. You're like back to reality. Unfortunately, reality is called the Heretics Fork.

Fork's are never good in torture unless it's a reading. Now, this was specifically used for people who spoke out against the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages. You know, witches, Heretics, all that good stuff. Yeah, yeah. Basically, it was a double-ended fork. Both ends had two very sharp prongs on them. Oh no. It would be attached to a leather collar device that would go around the victim's neck. No. This created a situation where the victim could not move their head from a strained upward position and couldn't drop their jaw even a little bit if they did. Then prongs would pierce their neck and prongs would pierce their sternum area. And it wasn't like

they would just be like, boop, that hurts a little. It was like no you're gonna get like impaled by this. It was very simple but very effective and the whole thing was very poetic because it's like you spoke out against the church. So now you have to look up at your God that you don't believe in like that was the whole thing you have to look up to heaven and we're forcing you to look up into the sky. I feel like but it's still not there. I don't see anything except the ceiling. It's like please take this off of me. God are there? It's me Mark. It's me Mark. Back in the middle age. It's me, Margaret. It's me, Margaret. Back in the middle of the week. It's Judy Bloom. That's weird originated.

Well, the next one has a little bit of religion to it too. Oh, it's called the cradle of Judas. Who's Judas again? Judas is, I know this. Judas is the guy that betrayed Jesus. To be honest with you, I thought that was Caesar. Well, it's the same situation like Caesar had Brutus. The artist is the guy that betrayed Jesus. To be honest with you, I thought that was Caesar. Well, it's the same situation like Caesar had Brutus.

Oh, Tudus and Brutus. Like, at Tudu, Brutay means and you, Brutus. Like, he turned around and was like, and you, you are my friend, I thought. And so Judas did the same thing. It was the actual... I'm very theatrical. I went to theater camp. And you had fun in high school. So I'm just kidding.

I did. That actually does sound fun. I wanted to be in drama club but my mom worked. So I couldn't be. I was in drama club for a long time. Until senior year high so I graduated. Yeah I did cheerleading by. Exactly. Exactly. See she's trying to hide the real root of the issue here. Well I wanted to do drama in middle school. I was only a cheerleader for one year. Wow, it felt like a lot longer. Sure did, you're telling me. I'm still dealing with the post traumatic scars that could have come in, not the cookie dough.

Sell it, sell it. Make the woo sound at the end of all your cheer. I remember you put me through so much hell. I did. I really did. It was self-prescribed, though. I like, I set it up. You just made it so easy. But I also played softball. Yeah, I did too. But I wasn't good and the coach was also your coach and he was like, why are you not like Alina? That's because I played softball since the time I was like, whenever you can start T-ball,

that's when I started. Yeah, and I played literally every season my whole life. Yeah fun little facts One of us was a cheerleader one of us was a drum and her Who's who who's who fake it tells you could totally pick us up and a lineup? Yeah, who was who 100% 100% I'm just glad I don't think anyone is confusing for a cheerleader. The cradle of Judas. Oh, where did we go? We came out of that. I think this is not going to be a popular podcast. Now this one is a doozy and I mean doozy. Say doozy. Doze. Hold on to your butts everybody. Hold on to your butts. I'm going to start saying. Hold on to your anus. Hold on to that boss. I'm gonna start saying. Hold on to your illness. Hold on to that rectum. This is another creation from the Spanish Inquisition.

Keep icing on front bump. Oh, I hope someone gets that right, friends. I'm not gonna say where it's from. I kinda want to keep icing on front bump. So long continues if you do not ice. Don't say where it's from. Someone tell me you know what that's from. I want to keep icing on from so I can use if you don't ice From don't tell me you know what that's from I wanted DM. Oh, I want one please please please. We're begging. Okay So it continues if you do not so this device is a wooden pyramid That's raised high on four legs and on top of that pyramid is

a that pyramid is a spike. It's the theme. The victim would then be stripped naked and weights were attached to their ankles and then they were hung by their arms and legs high above this device. Not interested. When the doorbells to be gone, they would then be lowered slowly onto the period. You know what I wanted to actually? Because in my mind I was just like not interested. Like I'm not showing up to my torture day.

How did they not run away before? Oh they would rip you out of your house. Like you weren't getting away. I mean it's not like they were like on Tuesday at two. I don't know. They'd be lowered onto a pyramid. The metal ages were fuked up. I know people were. I don't know. I'm not being lowered onto a pyramid. The metal ages were phooked up. I know, but they were just so afraid of everything.

But that's why they would never give you advance notice. Oh, man. Because in the middle ages, they were just like, bursting into your house being like, you thought an improper thought. So we're gonna stick you onto this fucking... You are wrong, sir! I'm eating breakfast.

The cradle of Judas for you. So, yeah. So they'd be lowered slowly onto this pyramid, which would cause the spike to penetrate their perinium region, which is your anus. Yulba. And... Gravity, body weight, and the added weights would cause the person to sink onto the stake with no resistance. Oh, gold. Now this torture would last for hours. And usually the victim was left on this thing all fucking night.

Natural instinct, like if you think about it, if you sit on something that hurts your bum, your natural instinct is to like rock back and forth to kind of like alleviate the pain. Yeah, to be like the pain. To be like the pull that hurt, to try to get yourself off of it kind of. Same thing with like the iron weed in, like we were saying.

Exactly, like you're just natural instinct would take over. But doing that in this case would just rip the wound larger and sink you lower onto the steak. This is like the hemorrhoid from hell. They should have called it the hemorrhoid whole maker. They should have just called it the hemorrhoid. Yeah, it's just six flags should come out of the ride. Six flags should not come out of the ride like they six flags should not come up

Because I don't want to know the kind of people that would go on that ride. It's like dark torsays That's a real dark tors. I just gave that guy an idea for his work I don't even think he's probably like no, thank you. I don't know what to explore that you So these people would often bleed to death or the infection from the spike never being fucking cleaned between torture sessions would definitely kill them. Oh, that's like dysentery, right? Dysentery is poopy pooping a lot like like diarrhea. So it caused dysentery. No, it would cause internal damage. Death. It's not gonna cause you to have diarrhea. It's gonna cause your entire abdomen to explode.

Sesspool. Are you just saying words? What is it? What is it if you get like typhoid disease? Like people just like, cause like their, their waist was on the thing and then it got into I just saw little trail of smoke come out of your ears Something is my brain is popped in there. It's not tried very hard to get that. No, do you know what I mean though?

Like you know what I'm saying like infection Yeah, yeah, but like poop infection is a different kind of infection I mean if you want it to be a perfection What it would be. It's your bum This is not like this is a spike that's ripping into your internal organs That's where the infection happens not pooping No, I'm not saying they're pooping up saying it goes in there But so a little bit of poop gets on it and then the poop gets in your organs. For sure. So that's where the infection comes out. For sure. And like other

bodily fluids. Right. Yeah. That's all I was saying. Cesspool. But I like it. But who did I tell that story with me dropping out of college? No, no, no. Here we are. Here we sit. They're like go back to college. Oh shit. So that's the cradle. Oh shit. The cradle of Jesus. That's the cradle of Judas. So that's the cradle of Jesus. I don't think the cradle of Jesus would be as metal. I don't know. I don't know, man. So this is the one that's used today. You know what, I remembered which one it was because I looked at your notes. To which you're by rats.

That's the one still used today. This one's still used today. Apparently, I don't know where. I'm not going there, but it's used. I almost just said where. After you were like, I don't know where. I'm not going there. I was like, where?

Where it happened. Cesspool type of it. The victim in this case is stripped naked and lays on a table. Nope, which seems to be just, when that happens, it's just, just count your, yeah. Just go to a different spot. Go to your happy place, because this isn't gonna be good. Then a half cage with an open top would be placed

on their stomach with the open top facing their skin. And inside that container would be rats. Oh God. Next. Who stinks of this? Not I. Like who thought of these things? Some really messed up people. Yeah. Some really messed up people. I mean, you just, I guess it would kind of be easy because you just think of like the worst stuff that would make you. Oh like what's so wrong? You know, like let's do this to other people. Do it to someone. Exactly. This is, you know, serial killer stuff. It's morbid. Very morbid. Yeah. So this was bad enough because it was just creepy. But then the cage where the rats were would be heated in some way. Oh, disgusting. So the rats would desperately scurry around and try to escape

the heat. Well, where's the only place they can go? Inside of your chest. It can only go down. So these rats would violently burrow through the abdomen of the victim while they were chained to a table on Abeltoins. Oh, goodbye. So basically they would like tear through your intestines. And once you tear through the intestines, forget about it.

You're septic, that's it. Cesspool. Yeah, you're a cesspool. Yeah, you don't want to hit the poop pipe kid. Huh. That's a line from a really good movie that you should watch. Called Pathology. I almost just said called autopsy. Called autopsy. Not called autopsy.

But called Pathology. I think our listeners would like that movie. I singed it. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. And at one point, they're doing an autopsy and they hit the intestine. And he says, you don't want to hit the poop pipe, kid. And it's a really good model for life. So there's a variation on this. Sometimes you hit the poop pipe in your life. You do. Yeah. Everybody hits the poop pipe. You could have a poop pipe week. Yeah. And it's, you know, it got to keep on moving. Sorry. Anyways, we threw that shit up and keep on moving. Yeah. So a variation on this was instead of placing the rats just directly against the flesh, they would use a telescopic tube to

guide the rats inside the prisoner's body through the rectum or the vagine. Yeah. What? Yeah. They would guide the rats up there. So they would block one end and stick the other end that way. So the only way they were going was up. And rats will just be like, oh, all right. All these burrows through this. A burrow through this hoo ha. Yeah, they don't know the difference.

They'll be like, it's a dark hole. Did the rats die too, probably? I don't think they would die right away, because they just go in and they're, oh my god. They'll be fine. So you would just die with rats inside you? Pretty much. Gross. Yeah. And they would just like destroy your insides. So let's see, where do I want to end? Because I have like two little ones and then one big one. And on a high note, like a big note. Okay, so I'll go next to the Glasgow smile. Oh yeah. This is Scotland, our people. Maybe we don't want to tell them not right now. Now, if you've ever seen the dark night, you've seen one of these. You've seen some shit. It's also known as the

Cheshire grin among the London street gangs, but it originated in Glasgow Scotland. Basically, two small incisions are made at the corner of the victim's mouth, and as the victim was beat or stabbed, muscle contractions in the face would make those wounds extend upwards towards the ears, and make it this big fucking terrifying ear to the ear smile. If left untreated, some people would die as a result of severe infection or ex-sanguination, which is just a cute blood loss. Ex-sanguination? Ex-sanguination. Ex-sanguination.

Yes. I like that word, but it's awful. It's a good word. Ex-sanguination. I mean, it's a bad thing, but it's a good word. One famous example of this is the black dollya. Oh, yeah. Which, it's terrifying. And some people, there's

actually actors or directors or something, one of them that like, I can't remember his name, but he was a victim of this in like a barf fight or barf. Someone and he has scars. Like, like, dark night. Yeah, I can't remember his name, of course, I didn't write that down. You know what I want to do? Because you said the Black Dahlia, I want to do an episode, of course. I didn't write that down. You know what I want to do? Because you said the black doll. Yeah, I want to do an episode on the C-cell hotel and like all the weird shit that's happened. Oh yeah, we'll definitely go with the C-cell. Yeah, for sure. That's a really good one because there's all kinds of crazy connections to that part.

There's so much shit. This one's a quick one. It's another one that's exactly what it sounds like. So torture. So they would tickle you with a feather. I saw a picture of this when I was doing the research for mine and the people just look so happy. Yeah, they're psyched. They're just like, duh, but do you, but duh. Like the people doing that I mean.

Yeah, they probably sung. The victim is hung upside down in this case by their ankles and a saw is used to cut them from the growing all the way to the sternum. Oh, sometimes the poor person would stay alive until they had the midsection or even the chest in some instances. Because all the bloods at your head. Well, that's the thing. They were upside down, so they did that so blood would rush to your head.

And so that it, because when that happens, you're stopping blood loss. Oh. So this person would be able to live. And if you're hitting certain spots in the abdomen, you're not going to die right away. Oh god. Yeah. So that's awful. No. So that's awful. Another one. I have two more. One's a big one. One's a literally one. And on the big one. Drone and quartered. Oh. Everybody's heard of this, I'm sure. It's usually reserved for high treason and it began in 1283 English. Good band name, high treason. High treason. I like it. Hello Philadelphia, we are high treason. I like it. Hello Wisconsin.

I like how you were in Boston and you picked like two of them. You were like Philadelphia. Boston you picked like two of them. You like Philadelphia. Typhoid. So in drowning quartered, victims were often hanged to the point of near death and then taken down. They're all ready. Like well you're still. Yeah that's not okay. So that sucks. And then so they were taken down right before they died and then they were tied to something and disemboweled. Oh Yeah, so Really just disemboweled men is just too extra. It's a lot. You die from not off the same way. Well then the entrails would be burned And the victims limbs were then tied with ropes The other end of the ropes are tied to horses and then the horses are

just like lightly encouraged to take off and run. So boom, by limbs, the victim would then be beheaded and the head would be displayed. Wow. Extra. Now a famous one of the victim of this was Scottish patriots or William Wallace. He was killed this way after leading the Scottish resistance against the English. On August 5th, 1305, he was arrested near Glasgow. Woohoo! And taken to England to be killed as a traitor to the king Edward I. Even though he never sworn allegiance to him.

So it's kind of bullshit. So technically he's going to be a traitor. Yeah. So whatever. So yeah yeah that's drawn in quarter. Now this one we'll leave we'll leave on a high note or really low note. So however you want to look at it. We're gonna end on flying. Oh so this is real and it's not just the sigil for house Bolton on Kim Throne's. I thought you were gonna talk to me about Bobby Fly. I love Bobby Fly. So first, enough in flying, your skin has to be tenderized.

The torture, you know, wants a status, you know how when you like peel off like a face mask and it's like all in one's sheet. That's actually like one of my favorite things. Or like when you peel off a sunburn. Exactly. I know it's like, so that's what the torture was going for. He didn't want to have to work for this shit.

He wanted satisfaction. So the victim would either be left out in the hot sun all day while their skin burned. Or they would be dipped into a vat of boiling water just until they were almost boiled alive. Just until they write Christmas. It's got the skin nice and loose. And it also just like prolonged the experience, which is always something they're looking for. Now when they would start to fly you,

they would usually begin with the face skin. So you would have your entire face peeled. It's like a super nightmarish chemical peel. Oh. And then cuts would be made around your arms, wrists, chest, neck, and ankles, because this would make it easier for the skin to come off in one satisfying piece. And you didn't want all kinds of little ones because you wanted to be able to display the full, all the sheets, and it would look like a person's skin. So going back to Australia,

like we did last week I Listened once to a case where like this. I'm pretty sure it was Australia and this lady Did that to her husband and then hung up in the doorway? Like he did some real shit. Yeah, he did some fear. Nobody deserves that. Let's fuck down But like you have to be real mad. She has shoes pissed, but she was also like a local indican base off I imagine she was that's a lot of work. Yeah. Well then the cuts are only extended into the epidermis and stopped where the muscle begins. Oh, so that hurts more. And they knew that back then. Yeah, wow. Yeah. And now in the the ancient church of Hadstock and Asics,

actually had a legend of a dain who had committed sacrilege, and he was flayed for punishment. His skin was then spread out and nailed to the door of the church. Wow. As a super subtle warning to others. That's far too subtle. Now, in the door needed repair later,

they found pieces of human skin still under the nails. So that's like actually happened. Ew. And then at another cathedral in England, I believe it's, there's a large slab of human skin, like on display. And it was of another dain who was a Viking who tried to steal the church's bell. Which like, why were you trying to steal the church's bell, which is like why were you trying to steal the church's bell? And it's like you tried to steal the church's bell and they flayed you like damn they were like don't touch our fucking bell.

Now the reason I'm sure all of you are wondering like huh what would it feel like to be flayed? I'm not wondering that to be honest. I'm sure everyone is wondering right? I thought I was hungry and I'm not anymore. I'm actually hungry, but of course you are. What's that picture that Vasco drew of you eating a sandwich? Oh yeah, my friend Vasco, who's an amazing artist, and you should go find him. Yeah, that's a cool picture. He drew a picture of me during an autopsy eating a sandwich. Which is like a pretty believable picture. I'll have to post that picture in tag him in it. You should. Because it's a great photo.

So the reason this hurts like hell is that nerve endings extend really deep into the layers of your skin, and that enables your sense of touch. Like it's why your fingertips are really sensitive. And if you've ever had a paper cut, you know that shit hurts more than anything. This response is caused by nocy-septors so those are sensory nerve cells that respond

to pain. Science. Science. Those are playing involves tearing the skin away from the muscle not cutting it. So it's the ripping motion that means your nerve endings are just they're not being severed cleanly instead they're just fucking torn to shreds. So your nerve endings are just being like bombarded. Yeah it's not like a clean cut that they can like recover from. You're gonna feel your skin being pulled off every bit of muscle. Oh my god. And

you're literally gonna feel your nerve endings die. Like you're gonna feel every nerve ending die. You're gonna feel all of it. So despite the fact that those administering the torture may also be hitting you or hanging you upside down to keep you awake and alert, which they often did, you may lose consciousness from blood loss, from pain and fear,

or because your brain is most definitely gonna go into self-preservation mode and just start shutting shit down. Which thank goodness for our brains. Like, or real. Or you could die from hypothermia, even if it's not cold out, because you don't have your skin to protect your own organs. Yeah, because your skin is the biggest, it's the biggest and one of the most vital organs in the human body. And it regulates temperature, protects all the other organs, it's systems in the body. So not only that, but you're exposed completely to infection. You will definitely die because of all that. Without your skin, you can repair and regenerate skin.

Without your skin, once you've lost that much skin, your body can't regenerate that much skin, obviously. There's an interesting story that I heard from another podcast that's amazing and you should all go listen to lore. I'm sure a lot of people have listened to it. Yes, I love that. And Manky is amazing. And he has the show on Amazon now. Well, that's what I was thinking of. He has a show on Amazon called Lore and there's a story of Peter Stubbe and he was a crazy serial killer in Cannibal who was caught after what was thought to be a werewolf was killing men, women and children in Germany in the 16th century. Oh yeah, I remember watching that with him.

So he's called like a werewolf and well, really he's just a dog. So back in 1589 Peter Stubbe was arrested and formally accused of being an insatiable bloodsecker. And evidence was provided that he had quote, gorge on the flesh of goats, lambs, and sheep, as well as men, women, and children for over 25 years. That's horrible. So when he was caught he was facing torture. So he confessed to having murdered and eaten, quote, 14 children and two pregnant women. Jesus. So he was a piece of shit. Now you would have thought that he would have stopped there while he was like relatively

ahead because he was confession, confession. He was confession. When you confess, you just got to get that shit out. But, no. He then declared that he, quote, extracted a fetus from a pregnant woman's womb and ate their hearts panting hot and raw. Jesus.

And he also confessed to having regular sex with his daughter and having had intercourse with a, quote, succubus sent to him by the devil. So his execution was prolonged or torture, obviously. Apparently. So the flesh was torn or torture, obviously. Apparently. So the flesh was torn from his body in 10 places with red hot pinchers, followed by his arms and his legs. They also pulled this so they flayed him with red hot pinchers.

Then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axe head on the wheel. So they added in the wheel to this. This is like a nice thing. They were really crafty for this. It's like a casserole of torture. Yeah. All the room in the craft. The round one craft. And that was to now to prevent him from returning from the grave, they then beheaded him and burned him. His body on a pyre. Wow. Now his daughter and mistress were also flayed and strangled and burned. Is that fair? Well, it was as a preventative measure against similar wolfish behavior. As if they were a wolf. So they thought because they thought he was a wear wolf,

that was the whole thing. They were like, well, they must be wear wolf stew. And then after all this was done, the wheel was erected on a pole with the figure of a wolf on it and topped by Peter Stubbe's severed head. Whoa! So that's the story of flying. And also Ramsay Snow did it on Game of Thrones. Oh yeah! Remember he says it about that, uh, oh the kid that they hung up right? Sans says no, it's Sans says like nurse. Remember she was like an old woman and he says something like tough old bird. Like she was alive until he got to get an nap for something like that and I was like, oh wow.

Ramsey Snowman. Yeah. Can we tell them our announcement? Oh yeah, we have a fun announcement. Now, we don't have a date for this yet. We're still in talks, but I'm really in the word to announce it. So I'm hoping don't yell at us if it doesn't happen. So we were watching directorus. We were watching directorus and we were watching the episode where he goes to New Orleans and we talked to people who are

vampires. Right now we recognized this beautiful couple of vampires that are married. They're so dope. They really are. And we were like, wait a second, where have we seen them before? I literally texted Elena and I was like, are those the people that were on True Life? And they were, they were on MTV's True Life. Like two episodes. Yeah. Because they were on the episode back in 2014. They were in an episode respect my sect, and it was following daily who is the vampire queen of Austin. And her husband, but it was focusing on her.

And then it was in another episode in 2016, through Life I'm a Witch, where like somebody go is part of this court still, so you get to see daily in her husband Logan who's the vampire king of Austin they have a vampire court of Austin where they have like more than 50 members according to the true life Wow episode and I'm sure they have more now. I mean yeah it makes sense. And they are vampires and we were fascinated by it and they seem like they're just so in love and I love their relationship. Their Instagrams are like, it's adorable. And also, we were kind of inspired by the fact

that they are just unabashedly who they are. And it's really, it makes you want to know them. Because I mean, how many of us can say that we just are unapologetically who we are exactly and they found each other which is nice so we were like to them and we reached out talk to daily an aster if she would ever want to speak to us for the podcast and she was kind enough to say she would her and Logan would love to talk to us. So we are setting up an interview with the King and Queen vampire of the vampire

code of Austin Logan and Daily South and we could not be happier. We are so excited. Your dog is making the most just I'm really sorry. We are so excited. We're gonna have a date for you guys. We'll let you know, because I think we're gonna do it soon. Yeah, so get excited. We're gonna be talking to the vampire king, Queen of Austin.

This is like a big deal. We'll do, we'll kind of mesh it in with a whole episode devoted to vampirism because it's a really fascinating subject. Stop looking at my dog. I'm so happy. I'm sure you are going to be super into. Yeah. It's interesting and awesome. It is really interesting. Look forward to that and take a look at our Patreon again with us all your money. www.patrion.com slash morbid podcasts. Check us out on Instagram morbid podcasts. Check us out on Instagram, morbid podcasts. Check us out on

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