Morbid - Episode 134: John Wayne Gacy Part 1

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

Finally, we reach the Killer Clown. John Wayne Gacy murdered at least 33 young, teenaged boys during his reign on terror. As a beloved member of his community, an active member in several community groups and a bonafide clown named Pogo, no one could have known that he was spending most of his time luring, raping and murdering young boys. Part 1 will cover Gacy's life up until his first 2 murders. Sources: John Wayne Gacy: Defending a Monster by Sam Amirante The Man Who Killed Boys: The John Wayne Gacy Story by Clifford L. Linedecker Buried Dreams: Inside the Mind of John Wayne Gacy by Tim Cahill Killer Clown by Terry Sullivan Better Help Visit betterhelp.com/morbid and join the over 800,000 people talking charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Special offer for Morbid listeners get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/morbid Gabi Insurance Take two minutes - right now – to see how much you can save on your car and homeowners insurance. Go to Gabi.com/MORBID.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with other podcasters. I feel like it's been so cool. I have loved it. It has been a blast. Yeah, it truly has. Like the collab with that spooky was so fun. If you haven't listened to that yet, I know like movie reviews aren't everybody's thing, but I really have to say that was a really good one. And it was such a fun time. And by the looks of it, even because I was a little like, I don't know if everybody's gonna love it because it's a movie review, some people don't like that. Seems like it's gotten positive reviews across the board. So even if you don't think you're gonna be into it, give it a shot because the guys from that spooky are to die for.

And if you haven't listened to their podcast, you have to go listen to that spooky. Exactly. It's gonna make you want to run right over I've seen a lot of people be like I'm going and subscribing to them right now because that's how great they were And we have a lot of the same listeners which I didn't really realize before a lot of people were like oh my god My two favorite podcasts so I love that that was cool and then Elena got to do her dream collab guys I And then Alaina got to do her dream collab. Guys, I got to the web with Billy fucking Jensen. So insane.

It's still blowing my mind that that happened. It truly is. That was a lot of fun. Billy Jensen is probably one of the smartest people I've ever been in a chat room with. I would say. I was so quiet that whole episode because I was so nervous. I was like, I don't want Billy Jensen to think

that I'm an idiot. Well, you probably just let me like, really? Yeah, I wanted you to shine on my fangirl rampage. Yeah. And so funny because a lot of people were like, which I really appreciate by the way, a lot of people were like, uh, Elena, like, I was so happy for you. And they were like, and a couple people were like, I know you must have been fangirling so hard, but it didn't come off that way just so. No, dude. Which I was like, guys, that is the greatest compliment you've ever given me. Because inside my soul, I was like, a fool.

No, I totally got that. You did a really good job. Because I was like, obviously, we're not in the same room anymore, but I was looking at you. And I was like, she doesn't even look nervous this bitch. I was like, I feel like I look more nervous. I'm like hiding like And then I last week was over at horror soup filling in for Bree who was feeling much better this week So they're gonna be back to their regular recordings, but K-Lib and I did a movie review or like What's it called a movie when you like say what the movie was about. Oh, like a recap? Yeah, recap. Yeah. That was like

my brain is mush. Well, and it's, it was a good one because it is going with what our episode is going to be for today. Yes, today, Alina has gathered for you some information, probably the most information about John Wayne Gacy. That's right. I'm like, not ready for this. I don't think anybody is, nobody's really ready for John Wayne Gacy. You just kinda like, okay, here he comes.

Yeah. I have a very cool piece of information that I'm gonna share like right before we start talking about John Wayne Gacy. Oh yeah, I know this piece of information, it's awesome. It's so crazy and wild. But this is going to be a multi-parter, probably two parts actually from what

when I was looking through everything. So this will be part one and it's pretty gnarly at times. So just putting that out there that it can get a little rough and there's a lot of talk of like sexual assaults. Yeah, mainly on teenage boys. So, you know, just so you know, that's coming. Well, and one of my biggest fears is Clowns. And so this really is going to be a wild ride for me. Yeah, because he is he's not a good clown.

Not a good clown. Yeah, I'm afraid of bad clowns, not like good clowns. Yeah, there's good clowns. Um, so oh, and we have one more collab coming up next week and we can't say who this person is yet. I mean, we could if we wanted to, but it'll be more fun to not say. It was because it was fun to do the Billy Jensen reveal. So I think it's fun to, yeah, to tease this one out too. This one is one of my dream guests. I think this is going to be such a fun episode. And you'll just have to wait until next week, but you can write your guesses in who you think it is. Yeah, when we post the Instagram for this episode, we will make sure to put underneath it like take your

guesses so you can throw them out there because it was actually kind of funny that a lot a few people did guest Billie Jenson for us. Yeah a good amount of people did for sure. But then some people guessed that it was gonna be John. That will never happen as much as we want that to happen. It's just you're never gonna get it. I hope but you know know, I'll hold down hold. You never go on again. In fact, some people thought it was John. Actually, one person, I shouldn't say some people.

One person thought it was John. That's awesome. Which is adorable. And no, it wasn't. That's a good compliment. It is, yeah. A lot of thought. Well, we need to shout out our shows.

I don't really know if it's a shout out, but it's an announcement. Shout out the shows. Some of these probably aren't going to happen. We don't know which ones are going to be postponed, but we just have to say them the way that they are. We're just rolling with it as it comes. So make sure you keep listening to the latest updates. Yeah, I'm assuming these first two will probably be rescheduled and we'll let you know when that happens. But for now, June 2nd, we are supposed to be at the Good Night's Comedy Club in Raleigh, North Carolina. Raleigh, we will see you sometime. June 3rd

at the Comedy Zone in Charlotte, North Carolina. You two, Charlotte, we're coming for you at some point. This one's got to happen. October 11th, that tell you a haul in Chicago. Oh yeah come on October it's gonna it's COVID is gonna be long gone by October. Totally a hundred percent and that's actually two shows in one day one night. Then July 8th is gonna be at the comedy work south in Greenwood Village Colorado. Colorado I feel I feel good about it. I want to go to Colorado so badly. I mean we will no matter what. Yeah, no matter if it's gonna happen when it's scheduled or not. Mm-hmm. Yep. Hopefully this one is still gonna happen July 11th at the Wilbur Theater. The Wilbur needs to happen.

And I'm starting to get nervous that it's gonna have to be pushed. I mean if it does get pushed it'll still happen. So like everybody let's all hold hands and hope. All these shows that are gonna get postponed. It's still by tickets anyway, because no matter what, we wanna get these postponed, so you'll just have tickets anyway. Exactly. So make sure you're getting the tickets,

because like Ash said, it's gonna happen, so your tickets will transfer, and we wanna make sure we're selling, you know, a lot of tickets for these places so that we can keep doing this so the more you buy the more we get to do this. Then on August 11th we have Philadelphia at the punchline comedy club. I can't wait to go to Philadelphia. Philadelphia is gonna be fun gonna get me a cheese steak. You're gonna bring the Liberty Bell. Yeah and we were all ready for Philadelphia. So I need Philadelphia now,

because we were the day that it was supposed to be. We were both like, aww, that was a really bad day. I think I ate a pint of Ben and Jerry's that day. I'm not going to be lying. I mean, that's just like any other day too. I was sad. But it was for Philadelphia. It was sad. I'm not in Jerry's. September 16th were supposed to be in in Washington DC at the DC improv. DC improv we're gonna see you in your monuments. Mm-hmm. Just, boom, boom, boom. September 23rd, Nashville, Tennessee.

Two shows at Zaini's. Zaini's, we are very excited for you. Zaini's is supposed to be a really cool venue. It is. These are all what I've heard. And then last but not least is Huntsville, Alabama at Stand Up Live. That's going to be September 24th. Alabama Roll Tide, War Eagle, all that good stuff.

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What is it? next couple of weeks? We're working with our team. They have a lot of good ideas. Everybody has great ideas and everyone is so helpful. It's been all hands on deck. And we start with getting back on our shout out train and more fun things will come after that. And we'll, you'll be seeing it in the beginning of May.

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I was listening through old episodes today and I was like, oh my god, little babies with horrible audio. Oh, yeah. You know what, Patronis is, we love you so much. And we appreciate every single one of you really do. We love the best ever. We could not do this without you, legitimately.

No, not at all. So we're going to be shouting out 10 patrons per episode and we're going to do it every episode right after we announce our shows. Yay! So without further ado since this is gonna be a longer intro than your used to, um, let's crack into the case. Alright, so we're gonna start it off by setting kind of a grim scene here. Oh wait, I was supposed to say my thing really quick.

The other night at dinner, Annie's dad was like we were talking about serial killers as one does at dinner and Annie's dad grew up in Chicago and knew one of John Wayne Gacy's victims. Oh yeah that's crazy. He was like yeah he just disappeared one day and nobody knew where he went. Wow. That's my cool dude dad. I love that he's just like yeah. He's just the thing that I knew yeah, I said it so casually I was like okay shit okay Joe well shit like alright Well, this is where it's gonna get real grim awesome on December 22nd 1978 John Wayne gacy confessed to 33 or possibly 34 murders of young teenage boys. Oh Yeah, yeah, he's very prolific. He said it was done over a period of about seven years and he drew the

investigators a map of the locations of 29 of the bodies which were in a crawl space under his house and in his garage. That is so wild to me that they were all in his home essentially. Oh yeah, he ran out of room at one point. Yeah. Yeah, so many. The four or five others that he said that he couldn't fit in the crawl space or in the garage because he was like, I literally ran out of room. Right. He threw their bodies into the de, there are four Johns, meaning four of himself. He said, there's John the contractor, John the clown, and John the politician. The fourth John, which he called Jack, was the killer. And he said he

did evil things. But like it's you, John, For sure. Okay. It is definitely you, John. It's very weird to refer to this man as John. Yeah, that must be really weird for you. I'm really sorry. I kept writing John and then I switched to calling him Gacy because I was like, I can't call him John anymore. Yeah, I don't blame you. I was gonna say, I guess we could just call him Jack if you wanted to. He's gonna be Gacy from here on out. I'm in too. So gacy's methods include his infamous hand cuff trick and I'm gonna get into these later in more detail. A system he called the rack, which was a wooden plank with holes for a head and hands to be placed in and this was a plank attached to the ceiling of his basement by chains. Yeah, they show that in the Gacy movie

that Caleb and I covered, and it was real disturbing. It's very unpleasant. Once these boys were handcuffed or in this rack, they were tortured with various items. He was definitely a torture. Yeah. Mostly he used sex toys, dildos mostly, and things that Gacy improvised into dildos.

Okay. This is real rough, so... This is going to be a lot like the toy box. Or a murder for me. A little bit, yeah. And this one's real rough, so just everybody hang on. Among, so when they went into his home, when they caught him, they found a ton of things. They found a lot of these things that he used to talk to. Yeah. Boys, they also found a two-foot-long dildo in the insulation of his crawl space. And 18 inches of that was covered in blood in other substances.

Oh my god, 18 inches. That's horrific. His methods of dispatching these boys in the end after hours of torture and rape were to either stab them or use a homemade grot and slowly strangle them to death. Oh my god, so they were just tortured from beginning to end. Oh, tortured from beginning to end. And most of the time these boys would lay dying for hours before finally dying. Did he, um, actually like try to like drown people in his bathtub? Like, did he mess with them that way or was that fake in the movie from what I've read

He did like to do stuff like that. I don't know exactly. It's not exactly like you know He and he also was alone in his house for a lot of these times Yeah, we'll get to it eventually He divorces his wife and ends up living in the home alone Which is when he really went like ramps up. Yeah. So John Wayne Gacy was born on March 17th, 1942 in Chicago, Illinois. Okay. He was the second of three children, and he was the only boy. He was born to John Stanley Gacy and Mary and Robinson. He was born to John Stanley Gacy and Marion Robinson. John was physically and verbally abused by his father, his entire life.

Yeah. Like, as the only boy and as we'll see John had a lot of issues, or Gacy had a lot of issues, so his father kind of like really picked on him, like honed down on it. And his father was literally a piece of shit. Like his father is the worst. He was an aggressive, abusive alcoholic. Oh, that's awful. John was his only boy,

and he was a toxic masculinity kind of dad. So John didn't really live up to that ideal for him. Right. Because John didn't like sports. He wasn't very tough. He didn't like things like fishing and stuff like you know things that like you know Are supposed to be like gender normative for boys, you know, right? just

He didn't really like that stuff and as we'll see his he had a lot of physical issues and health issues That kind of stopped him from liking a lot of these things which are not his fault. That's the thing But the reason I put his confess, what he confessed to and the shit he did first in this is that you won't feel sympathy for him. Yeah. When I discuss like how shitty his father was because do I think his father had a hand in creating who he was? Yeah. I do. Do I think it's totally a nurture thing? I know. Because I don't think one of the other takes precedence. I think it's a combination of both. I agree with the other one. Yeah, but I don't want anyone to feel bad for him because there are points when you might be like, Jesus Christ is poor

kid. Well, it's human nature to want to feel bad for somebody that's going through something like this. But then it's like, you have to look at what they did with their life. And it's like, yeah, and you can look at it when he's a child and go that poor child. Because John Wayne Gacy as a child is not John Wayne Gacy, the killer murderer. Right. So it's like you can definitely look at it and be like that poor kid like that sad. But just remember that what he became was his choice. And decide who he was.

So he, again, he was a toxic masculinity kind of dad. He constantly called him like homophobic names, called him a girl all the time. Just come on. Just come on. Yeah, it's just all that shit. And again, this is like a long time ago, and it really, when that was like a thing. Yeah, exactly.

It just wasn't ever going to be accepted for him to be anything less than this like macho guy. Um, John, like many kids that are abused, became obsessed with gaining his father's approval. That's really sad, which is a very common thing with abuse kids as no matter how, like we, you see it in the Gabriel Hernandez case. Which were never covering, right?

An awful case. I don't know if I'll be able to cover that case. I don't think I could. I really could. But he was even up to the very end. He was writing, I love you, mom. You know what I mean? This is what abused kids are always going to look for that.

Because all they want is that moment of like showing love. Because you brought them into the world. It's like, yeah, they're there for. They're there for. Yeah. Like, want your approval and your love. And you're supposed to be hardwired to give it to them, but some people aren't. Yeah.

So, John claims to have been sexually abused by several people in his youth. One incident he says was in 1946, when a mentally challenged 15-year-old girl brought then four-year-old John into a field and molested him. Oh, no. Yeah. So 1949, when he was about seven, he was molested by a man who was a family friend, a contractor.

He would take John for rise in his truck and have him help him on jobs, but he also sexually abused him. Right. And he said he would like sit in the car and he would like reach over and grab him. He said he never wanted, he used to dread when this guy would come over because he never wanted to take rides with him, but he would do it just to police everybody. One his dad was probably going to get fucking mad at him if he didn't. Exactly, because, and he never told his parents about what was going on because he was afraid his dad was going to blame him. Right.

When John was around six years old, he started stealing his mother's underwear. That's interesting. It's interesting because he said he liked the feeling of it. Okay. And later they would find bags of this underwear buried in the backyard or under the house. That almost reminds me of BTK because didn't he write about like liking his mom's night gown or something like that. Yeah. And he liked the feel of it and everything. And there's a lot of little snippets that will remind you of fucking Dennis in this whole fucking Dennis fucking Dennis and

There are a couple of times when I'm like, huh like they were slightly similar, which is yeah, interesting Similar in some ways not in always but This is also important because later a lot of his victims were found with their underwear stuffed deep in their throats. Oh, oh, that's horrible. So it's a very odd like connection here. Later when he was around 12 years old a similar incident occurred that like you know his mom was missing underwear. She was like what is going on? She found the underwear in his possession somehow. And then basically what she told him was,

I'm gonna make you wear this underwear if you like it so much. Oh, that's probably not the best way of handling that. It's never, yeah, when you're like, it's never a portion of a child to wear anything like that. You know, forcing your child to wear something for their own Himalayan for your own entertainment or their humiliation is fucked. Yeah, that's how you will fucked. That's how you mess somebody up. Yeah, exactly.

Now in the book, which is a good book about this case called Barry Dreams inside the mind of John Wayne Gacy by Tim K. John Wayne Gacy's mother Explained an event an event that pretty much describes his father to a tea. It'll tell you everything you need to know about his father. So when John was only two and a half years old, his younger sister Karen was three weeks old and his older sister Joanne was four. All little little kids. Yeah. They were sitting at the table eating dinner as a family. When all of a sudden, for literally no reason at all, John Sr. exploded.

He threw a handful of food directly in his wife's face. Oh my God. And then punched her square in the face. Just out of nowhere? Out of nowhere. She says, quote, and this is his mother speaking. Quote, he hit me square in the face and knocked my bridge out. I was all blood.

I ran out. I got away. And he said, she said, the kids were all screaming. She ran into the street, fell down. A neighbor ran to her and called the police and was screaming at John Senior not to touch her. Yeah. So John Senior goes stomping in the house past his screaming,

traumatized children. Oh no. Grabbed a handgun and left. And just left. OK. So she took her kids and went to her sister-in-law's house for a few days. Later, they went home and he showed up

to a freshly made dinner by the mother. And everything just went back to normal. They never discussed it. What? Yeah. That's horrible. And it's like, so you have a three-week-old, a two and a half-year-old, and a four-year-old, and you get up and literally punch their mother in the face in front of them.

And then you have no consequences to face? And your children are all these babies. Yeah. That all around you are screaming and terror. And you just run out of the house with a gun. And then have no. And then a couple weeks later, everything's fine. Yeah. And he comes home to a homemade meal, sits down and eats his meal. It's like, what did the, and those kids obviously learned like that's that's what that's love. This is. Yep. Yeah. That's what a a relationship is that's exactly what they're all probably thinking this is what the cuz look nothing happened they just went back to what they were right now interestingly when he was 10 years old they moved into a new home and this one

had a big basement oh that basement became his father's cave like Like, his father was obsessed with this basement. He was down there all the time. He wouldn't allow any of them to come down there. He locked the door to the basement, so they couldn't come down. So is not your typical man cave, I feel? No. Like, if somebody needed to go down there

if like a fuse blew or something, they had to wait for him to come home to go down there. Do we find out what's down there? They were. No, no, you don't actually. come home to go down there. Do we find out what's down there? Not no you don't actually nobody knows what was down there. What the fuck? And but it's like you see this connection that later comes out where all of Gacy's victims end up in a basement or a crawl space of some sort. Yeah And so the father would stay down in his basement at ton and sometimes they would have to wait for him to eat dinner Like he would be down there and they'd all be sitting at the dinner table

No one could touch their dinner start eating without him and if they called him up to be like hey dinner's ready He would come up and flip out and like beat the shit out of somebody. Oh, you know typical Sunday dinner. He's a literal monster Like what is the dude's issue? I don't understand people like that. But so John Gacy was the, you know, John Gacy Jr. we'll say was diagnosed with a congenital heart condition. He couldn't do a lot of physical activity like I said. And this is when he started gaining a lot of weight.

Okay, because he wasn't able to do any activities. He was just kind of eating, you know, like I said, and this is when he started gaining a lot of weight. Okay. Because he wasn't able to do any activities. He was just kind of eating, you know. Like, he was like the apple of his mom's eye. He was, by all accounts, very close to his mother and very close to his sisters. Okay. And his sisters will say, like, he was an amazing brother.

We loved him. Well, that's good. Which, in its strange, it's like strange. Well, it's like Dennis. It's like he was able to have a daughter and a wife and they were like, what the fuck when they found out what he did? Exactly. There were times that they both said like he could be like, you know, the daughter and the children will be like, he was a great father at times. Like it's just very weird. No, they can just like, they turn it on and shut it back off. Yeah, like they can yeah, it's very odd like this like he says like there's four Johns. I mean it yeah there is a

ghost and apparently there is another one. So at age 11, he started having these weird blackouts. Okay. And nobody knows what they are. So he ends up being hospitalized for them. The doctors couldn't figure out what was going on, had a ton of trouble diagnosing him, but he kept going in and out of the hospital and his father was thinking he was faking it, like being dramatic. Oh, that's nice. But it's like, no, he's going unconscious and blacking out. You can't really fake that. Yeah, like you can't fake that. So what they ended up finding out eventually was he was diagnosed with some kind of congenital heart condition, I was in a decision.

And this congenital heart condition, I can't, why do I keep going to say, because I feel like you're going to say disease and then you say condition. So it turns into a decision. So it's both. You're like, it was a decision. It was a decision that he made. This congenital heart disease or condition. There you go. Nobody knows exactly what it was. I can't find it anywhere, but it sounds like it's probably like an arrhythmia of some kind. If he's fainting and blacking out because that

can cause that a lot. Gotcha. But that's just me speculating that's not me saying it for anything. Well, you're smart, so you probably know. Yeah, you know. But, so he couldn't do a lot of physical activity because he couldn't get his heart going a lot because it was dangerous. That was when he would black out. So this is when he started gaining a lot of weight and he started being seen as weak. His father's kind of taking this as like you're a sissy, you're a girl, you can't, you know, you're not what I need you to be. Which is a rude because like for one thing,

it's rude and then another thing is girls can do a lot of things. Mr. Gacy senior, of course, they can. Yeah, do share. And this is when he started getting bullied a lot at school too, like he was just not having a good time. And eventually, five years into this heart condition, these blackouts, they were, because they were having trouble getting them under control, like they were trying to figure out what they could do here. He kept getting hospitalized for them. The doctors finally figured out that there is also a blood clot

in his brain. Oh, shit. Yeah. That's never good. No. And they were able to fix it. They were able to do something that was able to, you know, dissipate it. But he missed a ton of school. And he was still getting into his father was still being a dick. In fact, his dad was still abusing him, like beating him and abusing him while he was recovering from having a blood clot removed in his brain. Now, do you know if his dad ever caused any kind of head trauma? We don't know specifically, but I would venture to guess that he probably did.

Because if somebody's recovering from a head surgery, a brain surgery, and then you're like, kicking the shit out of them, I mean, yeah, you're probably gonna do some damage. Well, that's the thing and it's like he sounds like he's a legitimate monster. Like yeah, would true I mean just look at he literally stood up and punched his wife in the face so hard that her bridge flew out. Yeah, so it's like you know He was being very violent with John So I wonder if he did suffer come some kind of head trauma. I would not be surprised at all. It's too bad they never like were able to find out. Yeah. And well, the blood clot definitely probably did something. Yeah. And he missed a ton of school. So he was going to different high

schools trying to finish up. He ended up not being able to and dropping out before he was able to finish with this high school diploma. And this was just another reason for his father to call him stupid because it's not a love to call him stupid and dumb. And this just kind of was like his proving thing like see you're too stupid to finish high school. No, I'm actually kind of sick, but yeah, I don't want to stick up for John Wayne Gacy. No, this is a this is like child John Wayne Gacy. Yeah, we'll always stick up for the kids. Yeah.

Now, when he dropped out of high school, his father helped him buy a car so that he could get around and find a job. OK. It ended up being kind of a source of contention, though, like not a nice thing, because it became a thing that his father could hold over him and kind of take power away from him again.

Of course. Because he thought, I bought this for you. And after his love to do that shit. Exactly. And after a ton of fights, usually regarding the car, John left home at about 18 years old and moved to Las Vegas. Okay. Because he had just had enough.

Now he was already starting to become involved in politics at a pretty young age. He was had a big interest in working for the Democratic Party. So, so C.E.E.I told you, John Wayne Gacy's a Democrat. Exactly, John Wayne Gacy's Democrat. And Ted Bundy was a Republican. We're not all worth saying,

is it was pertinent information. Everything sucks, that's what we're saying. So, and he started working as an assistant precinct captain for his like local Democratic party. Okay. He was great at this, he was very smooth talker, he was very charming, people really liked him. Like he really, he was like, Ted.

Yeah, he's got a lot of these like little bits and pieces from other serial killers. That's a good quality to have if you want to be some kind of politician obviously. Oh, yeah. And honestly, a lot of people said he had a very promising career in politics, if he had actually, which is what they said about Ted. Yeah, I've heard that a lot about, obviously, Ted, and then I've heard that a lot about Gacy.

Yeah. And again, he could hold a room's attention at ease. He was just really well liked. It's like he got out of high school and he started really understanding how to smooth talk people when he wanted. And of course, his father chastised him

for being a Democrat. Oh, he did. It was just another thing that he could latch on to. It's like he could he could probably if he was a Republican his dad probably would have chastised him for that too. Like I think it's just no matter what he did. It was everything was wrong. Yeah. So while he's in Las Vegas, he did get he got sick and he had gone to Las Vegas with like no money, no job, like he just kind of ran out there. Yeah. And he had to of ran out there. Yeah.

And he had to go to the hospital because he got sick. The hospital bill was apparently $36, but back then it's a lot of money. Okay. But John couldn't pay it because he didn't have any your money or a job. But while we're trying to figure out this bill at the hospital, he ends up convincing them

to give him a job driving an ambulance. Okay. That's how smooth talking he was. He convinced them while he's figuring out his bill to give him a job. Wow. A job he was not qualified for. At all. So he was eventually fired from this job because he didn't have a high school diploma

and that was necessary for the job. Uh-huh. But he had convinced them that he had all the requirements and they were like, yeah. Well, he probably paid his bill off. So there you go. So that's how charming he was. So in Las Vegas, Gacy worked for the ambulance service for a short time. But after he was fired, he ended up working at a mortuary for a little while. Like a very short period of time. Okay. He was apparently, he got a job as an attendant there and he would spend nights there a lot. And they said he would sleep on a cot outside of the embomming room.

Okay. On one of the last nights that he worked there, there is reports that he fondled the corpse of a teenage boy. Oh! And this was when he realized that he was aroused by teenage boys. Okay. Yep. And good time to start therapy. Yeah, and that's when he didn't continue that job anymore. Mm-hmm.

And he called his mother and he asked her if he could come home. He didn't tell her exactly why. His father said it was fine, but he said, when you get home, you have to get a job, you have to be a man, you have to do all that stuff. So he ended up returning home. He enrolled at a local community business college,

Northwestern Business College, I think it is. And after graduating business school, he got a job working for a shoe company as a salesman. The shoe company was called Numbushu Company and he excelled. Well that's good. Amazing salesman, because he had the charm, he had the smooth talking, like he had everything he need to be a good salesman. And so he did really well there, he impressed them a lot, and he was eventually transferred to a management position at another outlet

in Springfield, Illinois. Okay. So he moves to Springfield, and he joins the JC's organization. So the JC's is an organization that focuses, like on building management, training skills, allows its members to do a lot of community engagement, some networking, community service. I think it's ages 18 to like 40 years old I think it is.

Very inclusive. It's a lot of networking. It's a lot of just like dudes, you know, doing stuff with other dudes. Okay. Like, doing dude things. Just dudes being guys. Yes, dudes being guys, you know? So he rose through the JC's ranks. And in April 1964, he got the title of key man.

Key man. Key Man. So major key. He made your key. So it's serious now. In 1965, he actually got the position of Vice President of the JCs in the Springfield Division. Well, shit. Later, I know he's like,

it's not like John really fucked his own life up. He did. He had all the tools to be a successful person And he chose the wrong path. He really he chose it. There's two paths in my idiot It makes me so because it's like you look at people like this and you're like you're a piece of absolute garbage And you didn't have to be and you didn't have to be but you chose to go there and it's like you're so gross It's like a true he's a true pig man. So the same year in 1965, he got, he got the distinguishment of being the third most outstanding JC in the state of Illinois. That's a, I mean,

I've been told that's a very huge honor. It's a huge honor huge huge and He he got this honor a lot mostly from his Enrollment that he was able to gain from he was able to get a lot of people to join the J.C Oh, okay, I will I will tell you how he was able to do that in a moment I feel as though it's not gonna be good. No, it wasn't like he would, you know, be like, let's go have some coffee and discuss why this is a great organization. That's not what it was. Oh, no.

Come on, man. Yeah, do that. So the year before all these awards were eroded in 1964, he had met his first wife, Marilyn Myers. Oh, I didn't know. He had a first wife. Oh, she oh, he did news alert, bitch Yeah, and he met her while working at the shoe store like managing the shoe store. I'm long with her Okay, they got engaged and married in like nine months. I mean being bang bang world wind romance. Let's get it

Marilyn's family owned a ton of Kentucky Fred chicken franchises in Waterloo, Iowa. Oh my god. Okay. Okay. I know where we're going. Yeah. So when they got engaged and married, her father friend off her father friend. Her father friend. Her father friend. No, her father friend. Like, oh, sister friend. You're sister friend. Your father friend. Uh, her father Fred. Like, you'll assist a friend. You'll assist a friend. You'll follow the friend. Fred offered John three franchises because he was like, you're a great salesman, you're a great manager. I have faith in you. Okay. Again, he is being handed an opportunity. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena. And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services.

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accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you, this is actually happening. Followed this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to ad-free on the Amazon Music or Lundery app. So he takes this opportunity and he moves him and Maryland to Iowa so they can manage these three franchises. They also moved into Maryland's parents' homes for free for a bit. So he's able to save money. We love a rent-free situation. Exactly.

And he got very active in the Waterloo community as well and ended up getting involved with the JCs in the Waterloo Iowa area now. Okay. Because he just loved it. The JCs in the Waterloo-I-O-Wok area now. Okay. Because he just loved it. The JCs, am I right? Now, I did read, and this reminded me of BTK, that in the JCs organization, members can kind of like form their own committees. They can really focus on certain things that they really want, that they think are important

for like civic engagement and community stuff. John really focused on littering and like pollution as his platform. Okay. Which blows my mind that like these, it's like BTK. Like these monsters can focus on something like littering or like in BTK's case like lawn and like pet zoning rules. Yeah. You know. And focus on these seeming, they're very important issues, but they're also brutally torturing and murdering people at the same time. It's like you're worried about littering, but you're gonna murder. Yeah, like you want to save the planet, but you also want to like just destroy it. Destroy it. Murder young boys, like I don't

understand you. It's weird. It's just very weird. But he definitely found himself to have a real talent for fundraising, probably due to his personality and his, you know, good sense of that stuff. In 1967, he received the award as outstanding vice president of the Waterloo J.C.'s. Well, shite. He also got a seat on the board of directors. I mean, listen, dude, you're really doing in the rain. Yeah. Like, just, man, just stay on the straight and narrow. But underneath it all, there's some weird shit already.

Is a fucking monster? Is that a pink song underneath it all? I have no idea. Sorry, I'm asking the wrong person. It's safe. But there's a true, and what you'll see is that a lot of this was all well and fine that he's doing so great and he's being successful. But then you realize why? It was all biting time until his real desires were pushed to the

surface. He was just pushing down. This whole time he's just pushing down the fact that he knows he's into young boys, that he's into teenage boys. He's trying to act because this, again, remember, his father harped on him forever that called him homophobic names, was constantly calling him a, you know, a sissy, a girl, all this, like basically telling him like at your gay and blah blah, and that's not okay. Right. And I think John Wayne Gacy was at the very least bisexual. Yeah.

Well, yeah. But he was definitely into dudes, but he was into young boys, which is not okay. He was also a pedophile, which I think he gets labeled a lot like a rapist and you know, a gay serial killer and all that. But in reality he's a pedophile. Yeah exactly. Just what he was. Cause these boys are young.

They're not, they might not be like five and six, you know what I mean? And some of them are like, his young. He's like 12 right? And they're just, that's in its young, like 16 year old, 17 year, like 15 year olds, these are young. Yeah. Those are little kids.

So underneath all the accomplishments success was some real shit, like just some real shit. Some real sewage. Now the JCs in Waterloo were rife with drug use and illegal activity under the surface as all big organizations were. Yeah, it's like they're never what they seem. He was in charge of recruiting members in this organization too.

Oh, no. And like I said, he wasn't just taking them out of out for coffee and just explaining what a great opportunity the JC's would offer people. He did so by organizing wild parties at hotels where he would show these members, these hopeful members, stag films, so illegal porn, and organize orgies with sex workers at these parties. Oh, so that's what he was doing to get people to do in the J.C.'s. That's one way to sell your costs. It seems like it's a lot of work in like...

You could probably just go to Denny's and grab an unlimited built-in breakfast. Because it's like, OK, so they join your organization. I guess it would look, it was kind of like a look how cool the JC's are kind of thing, like, hey, look, we party. And it's also a, hey, I'll tell your wife if you don't join. Yeah. It's like a blackmail thing. It's okay. Cool. We had this fun, you know

Orgy in a hotel room. I'm gonna tell your wife if you don't join the organization. Oh, wow. Yeah smart Yeah, yeah, and he got his first wife into swinging as a couple Swinging which is your best life. Yeah, that's not like, I'm not like, oh, no, that's just a fact. It's not my thing, but like far be it meant for me to tell anybody else that all of their life. Yeah. But it's just part of his whole lifestyle at this point. Right. Marilyn and John started a family around this time because it seems like a very nurturing environment to bring children into. Yeah, always.

Their first child was a boy in 1967 and their second one was a girl born in 1968. Gacy, at this point, said that he thought things were pretty perfect in his life at this moment. Okay. This was also when all this was going on, this is when his father finally showed him a little respect. Like his father was like, Okay. Married, which probably to him was like, cool you're not gay. Right.

Like you're married, you have kids of your own, you have a house, you all in business. You're doing business. You're doing great things in your community, you're rising the ranks, you're doing all this stuff. So I think this is the first time that he saw that his dad wasn't being like, you're a the ranks, you're doing all this stuff. So I think this is the first time that he saw that his dad wasn't being like, you're a piece of shit, I hate you. Right. Which is really sad. But this is also when his interest in young boys started to bubble over. He couldn't hold it in any way. Right. He was always around teen boys. At work and outside of work, people began to take notice because he had a lot of teen boys working at the and outside of work, people began to take notice

because he had a lot of teen boys working at the KFCs that he was like, co-owning. Right. He also started getting, oh, he also started getting really like, like a big ego and he was getting very overly confident because he was successful right now. So he started to get this like air of just like, I'm a big shot. he was getting very overly confident because he was successful right now. Yeah. So he's starting to get this like air of just like I'm a big shot.

I can do anything. Because in the JC's, he's he's climbing the ranks, he's getting all these awards, he's having these fucking like orgy parties. He's the fucking colonel. He's like, I'm doing it. Like I'm grabbing the world by the balls. So he ended up forcing everyone at his franchises to call him the colonel. Like I think I just spoil, spoiler alerted that. So he ended up forcing everyone at his franchises to call him the Colonel

Like I think I just spoil spoiler alerted that yep, they had to call him the Colonel like he was very Serious about it. Is that where the Colonel was porn? Okay, I don't know KFC was like from Colonel Sanders like that that's like, it all came together. Okay. No, John Wayne Gacy's did not. I was like, we should let that die if that's the case. That's hilarious that you thought. Your girl, okay, no, no, no, no, no, just to like bring trash

into the scene for a moment. Your girl loves a good $5 fill up. I think that's what the KFC is all about. And I was gonna feel real bad about eating at a KFC if he was the OG colonel. You're good. He's not the OG colonel. Colonel Sanders is the OG.

I knew that, but in my head, I was like, who came first? The Sanders or the Gacy? Imagine if they were still having like commercials with the colonel and it was just- That's what I literally was like, oh fuck. Like that's a corrupt establishment. I love that you thought that.

You know, my brain, it's not fire and as well as it used to and also when there's that's not Fire and on about three now in order to have team boys around him all the time He turned his basement into kind of like a bro pad It was just kind of like you know he would have porn down there and he had like a pool table and he had, he just made it like a bro cave. Did you have like a lot of pictures of clowns too? There's no, there's nothing. I think you're going off of the movie

and the movie was very loosely interpreted. Gotcha. There's nothing that says he had a clown photos in his gotcha. I don't think he had any kind of clown necessarily clowns or anything. It was just that they really like to play on that. Yeah.

And so he would take teenage, but he would invite teenage boys back to his place, be like, you can come down to my cool basement. We can have a beer and hang out. He would take them down there, show them porn, get them higher drunk, and then this is where he would sexually assault them. Oh no. Now, which weird to me is I'm like, I had no idea that porn was like a group activity. Typically, I don't think it is. It's like all of these stories are like, and then they all went down there and watched porn together.

They had a porn party and it's like, like, that's typically a very personal thing. I was somewhere and someone was like, do you think like we should just like in the middle? Should we all just like hang out and watch porn? I'd be like, I have played my key to leave. What are you? Like that? Uber's here. You want to watch porn by all means. Like, go right ahead. Not with me. Get it. But I'm not going to sit next to you while you do it. No gonna sit next to me This is not a thing that we're gonna do together like it's so weird to me. Yeah, so that's weird

So yeah, so he was using it as an excuse to sexually assault teen boys Man it came to a real head when he came when he became very brazen about it a real head when he came when he became very brazen about it. In August 1967 he hired a 15-year-old named Donalds. I'm not gonna say his last name because he's 15 and he's a little he lived so I just don't I think that's fair I think I don't even know if he's still alive at this point I just don't really want to say his last name yeah you can look it up if you want. It's 15, so he probably is still alive now. Well, well, you don't know. That's true. He could die from like a normal thing. That's true. It is a pandemic. Exactly. There was a 15-year-old named Donalds. He hired him to do some jobs

farm around the house. He often hired teen boys to do these kind of things, of course. And after he had him do some stuff, he lured him down to the basement of hell and fed him tons of alcohol, watched porn with him, and then sexually assaulted him, like you do with a lot of boys. Hate that. This boy's father was in the JC's with Gacy. No. Yeah. So that's brazen as fuck. He was. Yeah, he's brazen as fuck. This is, he's getting overconfident with everything. His whole yeah, he's brazen as fuck. This is he's getting overconfident with everything His whole life. He's feeling like he's this big colonel and everything's fucking going his way Successful and all this so he's starting to slip up because he's getting too confident. Yep This is when he went fucking ham. He just kept hiring boys doing the same thing to them over and over

He was just sexually selling boys all the time. Yeah. He convinced some of them that he was doing it as a scientific research program. And he said he was looking for participants and he would give them $50 for each session. What? Yeah, that was a thing that he would do.

So he, oh, that's, yeah. So going back to Donald in March 1968, so very, you know, less than a year after he had sexually assaulted Donald. Donald broke down. Of course, he was having issues. Yeah, like since the assault, he was having issues, he couldn't hold it together,

but he was trying to just pretend it didn't happen. He finally broke down and told his father what Gacy had done. His father, who again, remember, was in the J.C.'s with Gacy. Yeah, went to the police immediately. Of course, good. Another 16-year-old victim of Gacy's also went to the police at the same time and had a story of his own. Gacy was arrested on Sodomy charges and attempted assaults of the 16 year olds. He denied everything, of course. Yeah. He later, he also would use the excuse that it was consensual that these boys wanted to do these things. Look

homey, they're like 15 and 16. Brrr, you're still a petafile. A grown-us man. Yeah. Gacy claimed this whole thing was just a setup because Donald's 16 brother you're still a pedophile a grown-us man. Yeah Gacy claimed this whole thing was just a setup because Donald's dad didn't want him to get elected president of the JCs So he used politics in it and it's like dude I don't think this guy is claiming that you sexually assaulted his 15 year old son so that you don't get a stupid worthless Position right in a community organization. I'm fairly certain he's not doing that. Good try though.

Like, no one cares as much as you do. So in order to shut this shit down, Gacy hired 18 year old Russell Schroeder to take care of this for him. He paid Russell $300 to beat up Donalds. The war in him again showing up in court. Oh my God. So he ended up like luring Donald into the woods,

like sprayed him with pepper spray and like punched him in the face. Oh my God. Donald got away and ran straight to the police. Russell Schroeder was picked up by the police and immediately admitted Gacy hired me to do this. Like the Gacy spent a lot longer in jail than he did. Well, isn't it funny that that's the same thing as like John Mark Buyers from the West Memphis 3. Yeah. He had like two teenage boys like fight each other. That's crazy. There's like a medley of serial killers. He is he's like he's like a like a A stew like a serial killer stew. One if you think of it

We mentioned Dennis fucking Dennis. He was a medley of serial killers. He really was. They really are similar But it's funny because Dennis wanted to be yeah, John Every serial killer and John Wayne, Gacy was just like naturally in In fact, John Wayne, Gacy came before most of them. I was just going to say he came before Ted Bundy, did he? Yeah. Right before he. So, a lot of these probably took notes from him or anything. So this other kid is like, you know, Gacy hired me to do this.

Gacy was charged with conspiracy assault on top of everything. And by the time it was over, he pled guilty to Sautami and received a 10-year prison sentence. That's not just Sautami, though. Like, what the fuck? Oh, and it gets worse, because that 10 years is not what he served. Yeah, I was going to say he gets out wearily, right? Yeah. And so Gacy was a model prisoner.

Of course. You know, he earned his high school diploma finally. He got a job as a head cook in the kitchen. He took everything very like in stride. He didn't get in fights. On December 27, 1969, Gacy's father died of cirrhosis of the liver because he was an alcoholic.

Alcohol will do that to you. The news hit Gacy like really bad. Like he was because again no matter how shitty he was. And to please all he wanted was his approval. He felt like he had just gained it and then he probably felt like he just lost it. Got like ripped away. And then he dies. Right. The prison, the prison didn't let him attend his father's funeral, even though he was a model prisoner. Yeah. Now while serving his time, Marilyn also divorced him, which like good for Marilyn.

Makes sense. Because he was a disgusting rapist fucking pedophile pig. And she has two kids or three kids with him. Two kids with him. Okay. A girl and a boy. He said after this happened, he said that she and the kids were dead to him. Oh.

Like, she had done something. Like they did something wrong. Yeah. Like, you're the disgusting pedophile rapist, but she did something wrong by getting you away from her and her children. Like, oh, okay. Because in his mind, she like walked away from him. So she was like, yeah, some shit. Apparently you're supposed to stand by your, like, no, okay, because in his mind she like walked away from him. So she was like, yeah, some shit.

Apparently you're supposed to stand by your, like, no, fuck you. So they may not have allowed him to go to the funeral. They may not have allowed him that privilege. But for good behavior, he was rewarded in October 1971. After completing just two years of his sentence, he was released and placed on probation for 12 months. Wow. So you get a 10 year sentence, you serve two years and you get a year probation. Yeah.

So you end up serving like somewhat three years. That's literally not half of your sentence. Absolutely ridiculous. So after he left prison, he went back to Chicago and moved in with his mother because now he's divorced from Maryland He soon got a job and I guess he had to move in with his mother as part of his probation. Oh, that makes sense because you need like to check He needs some more supervision He soon got a job working as a cook and then he worked for a construction contractor He worked really hard. He saved his money, and his mom helped him

buy a home in Deplane, Iowa. He moved in with her again because it was part of his probation, so she moved in with him to the new house. In early February 1971, he lured a teenage boy to his home and tried to rape him. Oh, so he's reformed, huh? Yep, right away. The boy escaped and went to the police and he was charged with sexual assault. Again, but the charges were dismissed because the kid didn't show up to court because it was probably fucking terrifying.

Exactly. And also, apparently, somehow this didn't get back to his probation officer. That's the, I'm like, what like what like you would think that's a violation Yeah, apparently not So this is when he started this is this is when the killing started one He because he realizes that he can fucking get away with whatever he wants to get away with and I think he's seeing That he's missing something that he's not getting the full experience that he wants to get out of just sexually assaulting and letting them go.

Now, I was going to save this one little snippet that I'm going to say for the end of part two, but I want to say it in both parts because I think it's important for everybody to hear it in both parts. Okay. Of the 33-ish-known victims of John Wayne Gacy, they're still to this day six that are unidentified. Oh, wow. They've been able to extract DNA to compare for those victims, but they need something to compare it to. So if you had a male relative or a friend, go missing between 1970 and 1979 in the United States, if you are directly related to this missing person by blood relationship. And if you're willing to donate

a DNA sample for direct comparison to the six unidentified victims, you can contact the Cook County Sheriff's Department at 708 865 6244 or you can fill out a form on the website that I will put in the show notes today because they're still actively trying to find out who these men were. That's so crazy. Because it's so sad. It's so sad to me. It's horrible. It's horrible. Teenage boys spend over 40 years, like, yeah, for some of these people. So sad. They think that these boys are probably runaways. They were probably in trouble. That might be why their parents or family don't know or don't, right?

Didn't care to know. But it's important to try to identify them. That's really sad. So this is where we go to his first kill. Great. On January 2nd, 1972, Timothy Jack McCoy, age 16, was sleeping at a bus station in Chicago. OK.

He was originally called Greyhound Bus Boy before they identified him, because it took a long time to identify these boys. Gacy strolled up to him, it took a long time to identify these boys. Gacy strolled up to him, acted like a concerned father who wanted to help. He offered him a ride and for him to stay at his home for the night and he said, you know what, I'll bring you back to the bus station tomorrow morning so you can catch your bus, but I just don't want you sleeping out here alone. And on the way home, he gave him a sightseeing tour of the city was real sweet and

Like earned this kid's trust. Yeah. Now he let this kid stay over that night and Gacy says that when he woke up in the morning the kid was standing in the door with a knife Yeah, I'm sure I'm so fucking sure now He said he felt threatened so he attacked him and got the knife But then he said he just straddled him and stabbed him to death with it. Yeah, that's I'm sure that's what happened Which it's like that's a pretty big overreaction like You got the knife you don't need to stab him now, right? If you got the knife out of his hand. Why would you stab him with it now? he says

That it was that it was only after he left the room and looked in the kitchen that he realized that he had made a terrible mistake. He said that the kid, when he went into the kitchen to clean up the knife, he noticed eggs on the counter and bacon, and he said the kid was making me breakfast. Oh, and two place settings set up for breakfast. Oh my god. So the kid was making him a breakfast and we had just absent-mindedly walked into the doorway

holding the camera. To wake him up. To wake him up for breakfast. That just destroyed my heart. Isn't that awful? That's so... Oh my god. Well, Gacy about this kill said that he was, quote,

totally drained because he said, it't just take like him stabbing him He also had like thrown him into a dresser. That was like a big he beat the shit out of this kid and then stabbed him to death He said he felt, quote, totally drained But then he said that he listened to the quote Gurgulations That came out of him what as he was gasping for air and dying, and he said during that, he experienced the best orgasm of his life.

And he said that that's, quote, that's when I realized that death was the ultimate thrill. I need to know what happens in somebody's brain that is so wrong that that's what happens to you. The amount of chemical imbalance that has to be present for that to get you off of this. That's terrifying. Is so beyond my comprehension. Like, it's so beyond.

It's like out of the stratosphere, like what the fuck? Like this is a 16 year old boy. Who just made you, like I thought he was gonna say at least felt bad that he realized the kid was making it breakfast. Nope. He just was like whoops. And not, he was like, good thing I did it

because I found out. This is what he wanted to do. Yeah. This is when I found out that this is it. What a horrible start. Yeah. And Timothy was the first body put in the crawl space. Timothy. Now on July 1st, 1972, Gacy got married again. Great. He married his high

school friend, a girl named Carol Hoff. Poor Carol. She had just got divorced out of a bad marriage. She had two daughters moved right into Gacy's house. Carol was aware of Gacy's prison sentence. Oh, good. Was aware of what was it it was for. I mean, I'm sure he made it seem less intense, but I mean, I'm gonna go right ahead and say it. I would never in my life put my children in a house with a pedophile or something to prison for sexual assault. Even if it's just, even if they convince you that it wasn't real, it's like if there's any fucking hindrance of a question there, it's just not like I'm not condemning all you know felons, I'm not condemning all people who've gone to jail. No, but a pedophile because rehabilitation is 100% of thing. Yeah. And not everything is a violent crime or anything like that. But a pedophile or a sexual assault, a rapist?

No. And to knowingly put your children in that danger. That's just something I'm not into. And it's like when it comes to Carol, like I look at it like BTK's wife and children, I believe they didn't know. like BTK's wife and children. I believe they didn't know Like BTK's wife. I believe she didn't know because she didn't Marry him knowing that he was something dark. Well, he didn't kill like people at home

It that's the thing. It's like he took it elsewhere and he became a totally different person at home Right, and also they didn't go into their marriage with him being like by the way like I'm a rapist, you know what I mean right? but Carol I'm like Honey you knew You were well aware of what was happening. It's like when she starts later Smelling what is going on because as we'll talk about in part two that crawl space became a source of some malodorous Situation down there. I mean obviously. It's like there's how many bodies down there and if I'm starting to smell

Decomposition coming out of my fucking basement and my husband is hanging out with a lot of fucking teen boys Put the fucking puzzle pieces together and my husband is hanging out with a lot of fucking teen boys. Put the fucking puzzle pieces together. And had gone to prison for being a fucking rapist of teenage boys, I'ma put those pieces together. Put your thinking cap on, Carol. Yeah, it's like you got at least questions. What she eventually does.

She does, but it's like, okay, it's a little late. Well, maybe don't put your kids in that situation. I don't know. Yeah. So only weeks after getting married to Carol, he was charged with sexual assault again. Wow. A teenage boy, he pretended to be a cop

and forced this kid into his car, forced him to perform oral sex on him. You know, the charges ended up being dropped. I'm not exactly sure why, but I think it was something as small as, you know, not showing up to court or Something like that. He keeps getting out of this show. It's like you can't expect these people to show up like Lenny's feeding it's feeding his his like How he thinks about himself how he's this all-powerful being that's getting away with this like even when I get caught

I get away with this a superiority complex getting away with this, like even when I get caught I get away with this. It's a superiority complex. So Gacy later stated that the second time he committed murder was around January 1974. Okay. This victim is still unidentified. This is one of the unidentified ones. He was between the ages 14 and 18 with brown hair and he was wearing a silver ring on his finger, his ring finger, which people think maybe point him being married.

So he could be on closer to the 18 side. Gacy said he strangled this boy and then threw him in his closet for a while. And then put him in the crawl space when he started to leak and smell. Okay, so that's coming out of your fucking closet and you don't notice it. Exactly. He, this boy was found covered and wrapped in a ton of plastic bags. Gacy later said that fluid leaked out of his mouth and nose. The boy's mouth and nose, while he was stored in the closet. And he said it stained his carpet. and he said this is why he started stuffing like rags or the victims own underwear in their mouths and throats to stop the leaking from

coming out of their mouths. Okay, maybe you just don't kill people and yeah, I think a better solution is just to like, you know, not do that. Yeah, but, you know, who am I to judge? Yeah, Jesus. So this particular unidentified victim was buried about 15 feet from the barbecue pit in Gacy's backyard. That's so fucking disgusting. Exactly. That's horrible.

And it's, that barbecue pit was very active because Gacy, the Gacy's all the time, right? Love to have parties. They had huge block parties, theme parties. Like, and they would theme it out to like country Western, or you know, like, just decade parties, all this kind of craziness. So there were constantly people around his house while there were bodies rotting in his house.

Could you imagine being one of the people that was out of party and just like, you didn't even know? I can't imagine. I really can't imagine. And I mean, his neighbors really loved him. They liked him. He was a community activist still. He was still active in the Democratic Party. He was having those crazy block parties.

This is when he started dressing like his alter ego, Pogo the clown. Okay. He would dress up as Pogo for the parties or for children's parties and events and he would go to children's hospitals and cheer up kids dressed as Pogo. That's like the most wild thing to me because it's like

one. Is that? Well, because you're like, is he doing this to cheer kids up or does he get like some kind of weird, like sexual happiness from this? That's what makes me wonder, because he wasn't a professional clown. Like he didn't go to,

because there are clown colleges, the thing, you get trained to be a professional clown, because I know it looks like it's like, you just slap makeup on you and be like, boo, it's a lot. No, it's a lot. It's an actual thing, like talent. My stepdad, my old stepdad's cousins,

met in Clomcollege. I love that. Yeah, that's adorable. And well, and it's like, it really is because you need to learn what kids are very strange when it comes to what sets them off and what doesn't. I mean, you can do something that you think is great. The kids will fucking be traumatized forever.

It's like, so you need to learn, you're dealing with other people's kids all the time. You need to learn how to not ever scare a kid. And he wasn't a professional clown. Professional clowns are taught, for example, that sharply painted edges in clown makeup will scare kids. Like innately that sharp points in a makeup

will make a kid not trust you. That's just something about child psychology. So that's why clowns are taught to paint in rounded soft edges and make it appear friendly air. Everything should be rounded off. Right. There should not be sharp edges to your clown makeup. And Gacy had sharp, sharp edges in all of his triangles. His mouth was all sharp and freaky, his eye makeup was sharp and at points. So it's interesting to me that like he went that route because you think he would innately be able to look at that

and be like, that's scary. Right. Because it looks scary. Yeah, but if he's fucking terrifying. Yeah, but if he rounded the makeup off He would see this is a friendlier face kids will like this more. Maybe you did He was sick faster Can you imagine being a kid that was like in the hospital or had a birthday party?

I had to go the con was a you can you imagine today? No being sitting there being like the clown at my fifth birthday party was John Fucking Wayne gacy. That's a fun fucking icebreaker. I'll tell you that. That is too true to that. That is the first thing I would say to everyone I ever met. Hi, I'm Lena and John Wayne Gacy was the clown at my fifth birthday party. How are you? That would make me feel violated beyond violated. Maybe I wouldn't like that. Yeah, I would not like it. But he's real, I mean, again, he's, even though he's getting caught in little ways, he's still cruising and he's still doing his thing. He's still a member of, you know, the community.

He has people loving him, people trusting him, people wanting to party with him. He's part of the Democratic Party. He's doing his jobs. He's, you know, he's really making shit happen. In that same year in 1974, he left his construction job and started his own contracting business called painting decorating and maintenance or PDM Contractors Inc. This is when he was like, this is another opportunity to get what I want. Don't know. Now he's just going to hire teen boys. Right.

And he says, his claim is I can hire these teen boys for way less money and they'll do way more work. Do you think that he took the note from the guy that used to take him on jobs to do this? I wonder if it's connected in some psychological way. Yeah. Maybe he didn't even realize that he was doing it. Yeah, it could have been self Like it could have been subconscious kind of like the crawl space thing where his dad's Lair was the basement that nobody was allowed to go into and he put all his victims in his

Garage and in his crawl space where it was like his domains criminal psychology is so so cool to look at. It's fascinating. Fascinating. Yeah. I want to go more into it in part two, for sure. But we all know he was hiring these team boys for one reason. Right.

He would even use the hiring process to lure boys in and assault them. And soon these assaults were almost always leading to a long and torturous death for these team boys. I'm gonna stop at this point for part two because part two we're gonna go into the real the real meet of the situation when he really goes on a bender. He calls some of these years, the next year is his cruising years. Oh, yeah. He's just cruising around town looking for horrible things to do.

And we will get into how he was caught in the crazy story of like he was served, he was under surveillance for a ton of time. And he was just not scared at all. He had 33 bodies underneath this house and there were two cops sitting outside of his house at all times and he didn't give a fuck. Which is so wild. But it's like, I feel like that speaks to how maybe unhinged he was becoming. Oh yeah, he was totally unhinged. He was beyond control when it came to his desires and his compulsions. We hate to see that.

So that is part one of John Wayne Gacy, and part two is going to get a lot rougher, I think. So hang on tight. Right. Good job, dude. This was a good part one. Yay. Well, if you want to head on over to our Instagram

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