Morbid - Episode 148: Lori Vallow Update Mini Episode

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

Just a quick discussion about the latest breaking news that happened a couple of days after we posted our Lori Vallow episodes! Tylee and JJ's bodies were confirmed to have been discovered buried in Chad Daybell's back yard. Will Lori admit her part or will she flip on her doomsday partner? This is the case that keeps on twisting.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Because there was some breaking news. Breaking news. I know you guys saw it because y'all are on top of your shit. And I woke up to like 47 DMs when this happens, which we love. Yes. Thank you. I'm this for you guys So we could just be like do do do do do do do do do do breaking news That's exactly what I was like. Yeah, that's exactly what I did every time I saw a message Well also this breaking news makes me question whether or not I'm like a very strong witch and you're like a very strong Which you better include me into that. Yeah, like did we just do this? We did me question whether or not I'm like a very strong witch and you're like a very strong witch.

Yeah, you better include me into that. Yeah, like, did we just do this? We did. I don't know. I said on Twitter, I take full, like we take full responsibility for this dick cheese is downfall. I mean, yeah, so where is my crown? Where is it at?

It's crazy. Well, if you don't have no idea what we're talking about, Chad Daybell has been arrested because on Tuesday, June 9th, police confirmed after digging up Chad Daybell's property that they found two sets of remains and they confirmed that those remains were the remains of children. And at first, everybody's like, this has to be Lori Vellos' kids. and they confirmed that those remains were the remains of children.

And at first, everybody's like, this has to be Lori Valos' kids, it has to be. And we were saying the same thing, because for how long we've been talking about this, we've both been saying there's no way that they're alive. No, I hoped like really, really hoped and prayed that they weren't about that. Yeah, somewhere, but obviously in the back of your head,

you know that homegirl is evil as fuck and she has dead eyes and so does he so they killed those kids. Yeah she met her match in Chad Debo they are both unfortunately and I not one shred of me believed that those kids were alive. No one like I was trying to but I was like no well because part of me. I need crime case where something like this happens, you just know that it's so rare. Right, exactly. And this one just had a stinky feeling about it

and I was like, some bad happened here. Well, at first they did not confirm whether or not that the remains were those of the children and the autopsy results were still pending. But on Wednesday, June 10th, officials did announce that shade, shade. That's what I should call it. We should call them shade That shade was being that dumbass shade shit was being charged with two felony counts of destruction altercation or concealment of evidence

Mmm, and K JJ's grandma did come out and say that at least one set of those remains was of JJ. Oh, that hurt my heart. I think you mean alteration, right? Avella? Evidence? Yep, I'm done. Okay, for a second I was like, wait, altercation about the ends of the lyrics.

Altercation of evidence. You know. No, and hearing that it was JJ first, like obviously it's sad for both of them. Yeah. It was just like, JJ's like so young. Right. They don't even know young. They were both of them. Yeah. It was just like, JJ's like so young. Right. They don't even know young.

He was seven or eight. Cause it's like this happened right before his birthday. So it's like, did he get to, I mean, obviously, you get so bad at the same birthday, you know. A true baby. And he was autistic and he was just the cutest. Like, and not for nothing, he wasn't Lori's kid. Yeah, that infuriates me.

Like, why did you adopt a child if you didn't want the child? Exactly. Or you were going to claim that he was fucking possessed by zombies. Which doesn't even make any sense. It's tragic either way, like with J.J. Ann Tiley. Yeah.

Like J.J., you're just like, ugh, like he wasn't even like, boo. It was like the course of like, an extra layer. Yeah. And then I, as soon as this came out when all of a sudden they were saying they found two bodies, they were definitely kids. And everybody was waiting on pins and

needles to see if even one of them was one of the kids. Right. It was still for a moment when we were like, wait, what if it's not? Tilean J.J. And it's like, so who the fuck are these kids? Like for a second, I was like, if they're not Tile, JJ, this just opened up a whole other. And in my mind, because I remember talking to you about that, since it was like four days ago. And I was like, I remember, I remember well, it wouldn't have even been not shocking just because of the wake of death left by trolling a chat and and Lori. Yeah, the destruction that they have both left in their path is unfathomable.

So honestly, if there was two other bodies of people we didn't even hear about before, it would be like, whoa, but it wouldn't be shocking. It would just be like, yep, that's Chad and Lori. Yep, makes sense. Well, I know a lot of people are wondering different things about why it took so long for his property to get searched.

Yeah, that was everyone's first question. So I have a theory, and do you have a theory? I think we have the same theory. Do we? Okay, actually. So I have a theory, and do you have a theory? I think we have the same theory. Do we? Okay, actually. So I think, because we had mentioned that in part two, Tammy's body had been exhumed, and they were doing an autopsy, because an autopsy had not been done on this case.

Yeah. So I think they found something in the toxicology or on the autopsy to prove obviously that she had been murdered or like foul play was involved. And that's why they were able to get the search warrant. Yeah, I think it's definitely because toxicology takes a long time to get back. Right. And sometimes it can delay shit. And I think they were waiting for that. I think something came through on that which I'm honestly hoping at this point just for closure sake because I'm sure her family's wondering what the hell happened.

And obviously it's not going to be great if you find out that he murdered her like poison her in some way but it would be at least be some kind of answer right and I think that definitely played a role in it and I think also that Laurie might be playing her own fucking game here and I wonder if she came forward and was like I'll talk or I'll do or you know I'll some kind of bargain is happening I think yeah I would not be surprised if she was like, I'll talk. Or I'll, you know, I'll, some kind of bargain is happening, I think. Yeah, I would not be surprised if she was like, you know what, like, but then again, I don't know if they're gonna turn against each other because according to them, the world is ending in like a month, so. Yeah.

Because if you fucking see her, she's just like smiling in the courtroom. Oh yeah. Like constantly just like, blah, blah, blah, like doesn't seem to give a fuck. No, I think she's just an evil son of a bitch. I really do. I think both are.

And I think it's like the, they think the world is gonna end on July 22nd. Is that what it was? Yeah. And then they confirmed, they only confirmed that it was definitely tiley and JJ. When was it?

It was yesterday. It was the 13th. I thought so. I thought it was like literally within hours. Yeah. And I did see that and they haven't gone any further and I don't think they will because both of them were under 18 years old. But I did see that one of them was hidden in a very shocking way. Like concealed in a very shocking way. Yeah. That and that's what, I'm like, was there a ritual that wasn't this? Was, was, were more people involved?

I mean, because if you remember Melanie's ex-husband, yeah, who was fucking shot at by probably Alex who is also dead now, which is like, it connect those dots really quick. Seriously. I mean, he thought that this was a cult and he said people were dropping like flies, so. Yeah. I mean, he thought that this was a cult and he said people were dropping like flies, so. Yeah, and I think there's gonna be a few ways that Lori is gonna play this, I think, that Lori options of how she's gonna play this. One, she's either gonna maintain this like cult.

Like, the eye thought was ending. The world was ending. Religious thing where she's like, I thought the kids were demons and we had to kill them. And that's fine, right? Everybody, and she's gonna try not to be like, yeah, she's like, I thought the kids were demons and we had to kill them and that's fine, right? Everybody and she's gonna try to. She'll just be like, yeah, shut up. And she's gonna try to play that whole thing

or she's gonna flip and she's gonna say, Chad did it, I was feared for my life. She's gonna play that whole bullshit card where she didn't protect her own fucking kids because she's gonna say she feared for her life. Yeah's gonna play that whole bullshit card where she didn't protect her own fucking kids because she's gonna say she feared for her life. Yeah, I don't buy that. It's like, I don't give a shit if you fear for, like, it's like really your kids.

You looked like you were having a pretty good time and why, so it didn't look like you were just scared there. If she plays that card, it's not gonna work because then they ran off to Hawaii and had a good time. So it's like, no, everybody knows you're not scared of them, get out of here. Right. And she's either gonna do that thing and she's gonna say, So it's like, no, everybody knows you're not scared of them, get out of here. Right. And she's either gonna do that thing

and she's gonna say, or she's gonna play the, you know what, he brainwashed me. He got me into this crazy religion where he convinced me my children, the only way to save their souls before the end times on July 22nd was to kill them. And it was done very like with mercy and you know, and she's gonna do that whole thing or she's gonna say I wasn't, you know,

he did it. I didn't do it. I know, partner. I don't know what happened, but he convinced me it had to happen and she's gonna say, and I've been sitting here and you know, I've had to come to God moment and now I know that that was wrong. You know, she's like, I actually met a, I'm a God messenger, but I was dealing with the wrong God. I was dealing with the wrong thing. So it's as cheesy that there's so many ways that she could play this.

Yeah. I don't know if she's going to do any of those things, or if she's just going to go, no, we both believe that demons were, you know, they were zombies, and we had to kill them. Like she might just straight up stick to it. Stick to it. Stick to her story. Because I wonder if they're gonna stick with each other.

I feel like I'll almost be more mad if she doesn't stick to it. I know, because now it's like... I mean, I'm pissed either way. But it's like, if she starts turning around and pulling that hole, I was brainwashed. Yeah, that's like my legal fuck yourself. That's gonna piss me off. Because I'm gonna be like, listen bitch.

No, not one person believes that you are a victim here, so you can go fuck yourself. And that's what's gonna bother me if she starts playing that victim card. Do you think, because you have a lot more knowledge of this than I do, when they, well, they release what happened, like how they were killed,

because they're under 18? I don't know, because sometimes, you know, these things, sometimes they don't, right? These things get leaked sometimes too. And then it's really just a matter of, I think it's going to have to do with the investigation. And this is such a high profile case, so I do think people are going to like demand to know. People are going to want to know for sure.

And I think it will get somehow, even if it's not released, I think somehow leaks to the video will happen. Yeah, I feel like somehow we're gonna find out what happened. I want to know what happened because we've all just followed it for so long. It's at this point. I just need the cap on. Yeah, on it. It's like, do you remember how like, I think there was like a people magazine or like us weekly when John Bonet, everything was going on with her and they called her like America's child? Yeah. I almost feel like these are like America's children. They did, and they started to become America's children, because everybody held, I saw so many people.

Yeah. After we posted our episode, we'd be like, I'm still holding out hope that they're a bunker. They're inside crazy doomsday bunker somewhere, and that sucks, but we could find them, and we could save them. Like, that's, I saw so many people with that, and maybe I'm just like a jaded fuck and

maybe I think you are. I think I've just been like reading True Crime too long and maybe my job has also jaded me a little bit. But I think you're also just a very realistic person and I think I had no hope. I mean, I wanted to. I wanted to hope. Of course, but there's just a difference between reality and what the facts are painting for you as a picture.

Exactly. And there's certain scenarios where you can go, you know what, I feel like there's a possibility that she's going to be alive somewhere. They're going to be alive somewhere. This just wasn't one of those. Just the way that they were acting and the way that Laurie was telling certain people that her children were dead or telling certain people that she didn't have kids Yeah, like making a different story. We're out of friends house. They were here. They were there to me

It just seemed like they're at the neighbor's house It's just like she's not planning on them coming back like that was my she was telling people like they're gone kids They're not here. I don't have kids. Yeah, like with the landlord and everything exactly and that's what made me feel like She's not planning on introducing them into the picture again, so. Definitely not. Well, I think it's gonna be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

Oh, yeah. Just to wrap this up, I wanna read a quick statement from Kay, Larry, and Colby, who was the older brother of JJ and Tyley. Yes, and the grandparents, right? Yes, and the grandparents. So we are filled with unfathomable sadness that these two bright stars were stolen from us and only hope that they

died without pain or suffering. We have only just been told of the loss of our loved ones and need time to process. That one part of it where they say we can only hope they died without suffering. Can you imagine having to hang on to that thread? Well, I'm sure that you just go over every horrible scenario in your mind just on fucking replay. Oh, for sure, because when it's, especially when it's a kid like this, and when it's like, they're probably sitting there

and despite no means I'm not indicting them of this, I'm just saying. They're probably thinking in their head, like I wasn't there to protect them. Right. Exactly. Because when you feel like a responsibility to a child, if something bad happens,

especially for Kay and Larry when it comes to JJ, because Lori wasn't even blood related to JJ. No. Like, I know what you're saying, but that wasn't her kid. Yeah. And it's like, and of course, like adoption,

it's a family, of course. That's your child, but in this case, that's not the case. Like, I think a case can be made that this was by no means an actual family here. Absolutely not. She was obviously a fucking demon. A diamond. A diamond.

And she, you know, was not mothering that child the way that he is. Well, and I really hope that something comes out to where she is Held responsible for the death of Charles. Yeah, you know, and then it's like what the fuck happen Alex I want to know what happened Alex over there and then what the fuck happened to Tammy I almost wonder if Alex's shit was self-inflicted somehow. Yeah, there's I just need to know because I think he knew He was got he either knew that he was going down I was like I'm not going to jail again because remember he had gone to jail. Yeah, or Laurie was like he's a little kuku So I'm not gonna

Make him sing cuz yeah, she thought that she was getting away with this. Yeah cuz I could see her All I mean this she's wily and I could see her wily as fuck. She's wily, and I could see her. Wily is fucked. She's wily as fuck, so I could see her being like, I can't trust this guy because he's my brother. He's a little bit, he's a little bit off, and I'm afraid he's gonna say something that I don't want him to say, so we need to take care of it. Yep. And then sending Chad to do her bidding or doing it herself.

Well, and I hope that somehow Melanie, the niece, she knows a lot more than she's saying. Oh yeah, Melanie Melanie go fuck yourself. What do you know? Because you know and if you're sitting there holding on to this then your day of reckoning will come and for her husband to stay with her his ex-ex-ex-sister. Yeah. That's what you must be like. Oh I would be losing it. I'd be like you're not seeing your kids. I don't know anybody who thinks that that niece doesn't know something No, it's dangerous. Yeah, so for her to sit there and pretend she does like all right

But you know what it's gonna come back around to you. I'm as a bitch No way that's gonna stay hidden forever right everything done in the dark will eventually come to light I like that. That was so deep right? I'm saying and What's interesting to just like as final thoughts is like Ash said, he's Chad Debel has not been charged with murder. No, yet. Right. That's the thing. That's interesting because now we have bodies. We have identifications of bodies. We have autopsies on bodies. So it's like what are we waiting for? Like why don't we have that's interesting. Well, I think maybe it's just some kind of formality because his bond, the bond for his charges would be like $10,000 or something around that,

but his bond was set at a million dollars. So in there, he's a flight risk, they're saying. Yeah, because they're definitely gonna out bit. It's just interesting that it hasn't happened at all. I just, I wanna hear a first degree murder. Oh, 100%. And I wanna hear a first degree on Lori too. She hasn't been charged with first degree murder yet either.

And I wonder, I wonder if the way this is all gonna shake out, and that's why I think she might distance herself a little bit, because I wonder if she's gonna get a lot less time. But why though? Because I think she's gonna make a deal. She's gonna sing about a few things on them. I'll be sharing a deal. She's gonna sing about a few things on them. And that's why his property was searched. Exactly.

And I think she's the made one. She's gonna make one that's talking about making one. There's a deal in the works. Or she's gonna start distancing herself from him a little bit. This is what I think. I don't know who the fuck knows. This lady's crazy. Right.

But, and then he'll get the full world ground of it. Because she'll probably put it on him too, especially as a quote unquote mother. She will place herself in the killing position. She will say, I would be very shocked if I hear that Lori didn't point at that chat and say he did it. I used the one who did the blow or whatever it was. Right. And then he'll get the full murder charge

and the murder sentence and she'll get something much less. And it'll be like a Carla Homoka situation where she'll end up getting out and living her life and hopefully she'll just be her ass forever. Oh, I think that if she got, I don't know where she would go if she got let out other than directly into the witness protection program.

Yeah. And more directly into the bowels of hell. Yeah, the foaming fucking piss. Well, I don't know if I said this already, but Chad's preliminary hearing is going to be set for July 1st. So I think a lot is going to come out the coming weeks. Oh, yeah. And we'll be paying attention.

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