Morbid - Episode 16: The Lake Bodom Murders

Episode Date: August 28, 2018

Finland, you really outdid yourself with this one. As one of the most infamous crimes in Finnish history, this triple homicide remains a mystery to this day. Sure, several suspects have been brought to the table but none have been formally charged for very long. With a bumbling investigation and a host of strange occurrences surrounding this case. It may remain just that: A mystery. Today we will shed some light on this creepy case and try to give our best guest about what happened. Enjoy, weirdos. Movie: Lake Bodom https://medium.com/@allisoneckmeier/true-crime-lake-bodom-murders-c9070a197de9 https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/lake-bodom https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4677559/is-this-chilling-lake-massacre-of-three-teenage-campers-the-real-life-friday-the-13th/ The Lake Bodom Blood Murders by Matt Demas See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's going awesome! Cause it's not even a new week yet. We've recorded three times this week. We have, we're really three different episodes. We're really working hard for the money. So hard for the money. Workin' hard for the money. In fact, I just came back like the other night. When we were recording, I was leaving to go to the morgue

and today I just came back from the morgue. What is today Sunday? Yes. So I get Sunday Mondays off, so I'm working on Monday off. Yeah. But it's fun work. And I have to work tomorrow on Monday off. Like this is kind of like...

Oh yeah, this is not work. Yeah. This is fun. This is leisure. LESHA. LESHA. I'm so relaxed. I love it.

And we have our new audio. I love listening to our podcast. Starting to sound a little better and better because I know how annoying it is to listen to podcasts when the audio is crappy. I didn't think it was too bad but listening to it now I'm like, whoo, yeah. So sorry about that. We sound so much better.

We're getting better. I'm learning each time. Okay so my favorite podcast other than ours is and that's why we drink. Did you see that somebody Like said that we were their favorite podcasts like yes morbid and and that's why we drink and I commented and was like I'm very honored to be mentioned in the same breath. I Had you can ask anyone that was with me last night. I had a freak out because ash was the one who introduced me to that podcast It's like my favorite favorite podcast. And I've fallen in love with it.

So that's one of those podcasts that you guys, you probably already listened to it. I'm assuming our listeners are already like way caught up on that. It was a little late to the party. I mean, I was too, but I love them. And I can't believe that like, I love that people mentioned us in the same moment.

Like that. We're on the same part as that. Yeah. Like I don't feel like we're not worthy do you want to be friends see you on your friends guys that would be friends I feel like not worthy but I really appreciate but we are worthy I know we're totally worthy fucking worthy fucking awesome yeah yeah Pup talk ourselves we're pounding our chest right now yeah we're we're

gonna scream and run up a staircase. I'm having a cake con moment. They do that right now. Oh, you're talking about rock. I've never seen that movie. I'm going to be real. I haven't either, but I know this apart where he runs upstairs. I thought this was going to be one of those things. And he just turned around and looked at us like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? What do you want to ask? I think it was because I see both of us have not seen wrap-up. Yeah, of course I've seen it. It's one of those movies that I feel like everyone is saying. I then to the rocky steps. Oh, so there is steps. See, I know one of them. Yeah, they had to film it somewhere. There's step. No, but I'm saying like it happened. I wasn't just making it up. Oh, yeah, I know. That's like I even did that. Those weren't fake steps.

I was like what? I feel like yeah. They needed steps to run up the steps. He wasn't just like running like by in front of a green screen But I'm funny though way back So yeah, that took a turn, but anyways But yeah, that was pretty cool and when we're talking about podcasts I'll just look at a little recommendation corner before we get into some more stuff because I've been listening to a couple of new, newer podcasts like what's blood got to do with it? Are they the people that gave us the Wicked Night review?

They gave us a little, yeah, they gave us an amazing review and they gave us a little shout out on one of their episodes. Oh my god! And I immediately got drawn into their podcast and it's two sisters in California. Should they like, they like the other coast us. Yeah, because we're like, sisters, but not sisters. Exactly, but we're basically like, I feel like every time I listen to our podcast, other people are probably like, what?

Because you're like, we're like, we're sisters and then you're like, my mom, your grandma, and they're like, you guys are like, what is sister? Technically, Ash is my niece. Yes, and technically, Elena is my aunt. We grew up as sisters, basically. Right, so we call each other sisters. And like, Elena's kids are my nieces. Except we're 10 years apart.

Yeah. Which is crazy, but so we're sisters, and anybody that wants to say otherwise, can suck a toe. Exactly. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

No, I said you're welcome. Oh, I thought you were just like welcome to our podcast. If you say anything, second time. Greetings. Welcome. Well, either way, their podcast is called What's Blood Got to Do With It. Which every time I see it pop up on everything, I immediately in my head, I'm like, what's blood got to do? Got to do with it what's blood but a second handy mode I think you can come up with something really quick to work with that hold on

go what's blood but a slightly viscous fluid that was great boom that's your that's your new tagline what's blood got Got to Do With It? Yeah. But I like Viscous fluid. Yeah. What is Viscous? It's like a syrup-y. Oh, okay. Like, it does, it's a little.

Viscous. When it congeals. And I just like that word. Viscous. So we recommend them. Yeah, so what's Blood Got to Do with It? It's pretty awesome. And another podcast that I have been like binging, especially when I come out of the morgue and I need something to make me like

Happy inside. I do go to watch what crap ends, which is amazing I think there's a color like that But also they're called oops, I watched it again. Oh, yeah, and they're fucking awesome. It's like three people that are basically my age. Oh, are they? Yeah, because I thought they called themselves millennials. Are you technically a millennial still? I'm technically a millennial still.

Oh, I didn't know. I'm right on the cusp. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'm 32. So, I'm still, I still kept a young one. I thought they cut off was 30. No. So, I think they're around my age

because they're into they're they're basically like nostalgia going into like the big flicks of our time like you know like the the she's all that the craft, job-breaker, crew intentions, I mean like all these great movies and it's like you get to hear it from all sides and it's just go listen to it because it's like a big nostalgia bomb and they're all hilarious that's awesome yeah so go listen to oops I watched it or oops we watched it again cool and those are my podcast recommendations for right now well we have to sing if we sang for the other one but something real fast man this is in my

will house the other one had blood in it how many people do you think we lost with our singing probably a lot probably every time we lost people as soon as I was like what's that like got like really into tea and just like scream though so we won't do that anymore guys sorry about it we're moving on so yeah listen to what's blood got to do with it and oops we watched it again yeah and in other news there's been kind of a bummer event that happened today and I actually missed it because I was in the morgue. So I was walking up to a lane of storestep today, and I get CNN updates on my phone, and there was, unfortunately, a mass shooting out of video game tournament in Jacksonville. It's a bummer.

And it's like actually unfolding right now. Where can you go now? So it says that multiple people were killed. 11 were shot for our dead right now. And it says that one suspect is dead at the scene. It's not known yet if there's another suspect. I was just gonna say is it only one shooter? They don't know. That's awful.

Yeah. It's just people trying to enjoy video games. It always bums me out. like it's always a huge bummer But it's like in situations like that. It's like kids just going to school It's just going to be doing the video game the convention that like you're just doing something you enjoy or like just having a day Yeah, I want to that convention not even thinking that and it's just like a fucking Sunday afternoon Yeah, just a nice Sunday afternoon. You're going and doing your favorite hobby and it's like I hate and I understand why people have to be such ship eggs I can't understand it man. It's such a bummer right now. Well

Well update when we hear more updates on that but since it just happened We just wanted to put it out there that it happened but if anything else comes up We'll update it on the next definitely podcast But and hopefully if there is another suspect they find them quickly. Yeah, and good vibes to all the people injured because that's a real bono. Yeah. So we'll move on to something a little happier or a lot happier. I thought you were going to go into the case like, no, I was like, what?

No, our case is not much happier than that. No, but we is not much happier than that. No. But we have a new Patreon Donator subscriber. I don't know what it's called Patreon person Patreon. It's a Patreon donor. It's a patron. Patreon. Yeah.

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great things with it and it'll go right back into the podcast and to you guys because we have some really fun ideas. So yeah, thank you so much Valeska. Thank you to our rescue our patrons. Totally jump on there if you feel so inclined and Without further into do go into our crazy ass case So this week we're bringing you to Finland. Yay, and it's an unsolved one So we get to like theorize a little bit even though I don't think this one's ever gonna be solved to be honest I don't think so either to be honest. There's just too much and we'll we'll go into why? We think that because it's just a lot. Because it's basically like the LAPD was fucking on the crime scene there.

Basically the LAPD went over to fifth one and they fucked it all. Basically. And it's so this is the Lake Bodum murders. I've heard it called Lake Bodum too, but I'm gonna call it Lake Bodum because it sounds better. And it's B-O-D-O-M. Yeah, so I feel like the bottom is right. I've heard a lot of these words and names I've heard pronounced several different ways, so I'm going with the things that I think sound right. But if we have any Finnish listeners, which I don't know if we've got to you guys.

But like that would be rad if we did. Yeah, well. Or if you know anybody who's Finnish and you want to correct our asses by all means do it up tell us if we're skewed. Butchering these aims because we don't want to do that. Just like the diet love pass one. I feel like I'm trying my smaller bod too and people really dug that up a so hopefully you guys will feel that way about this one. Sorry you can hear my creaking rocking chair again. Fuck you Elena. I apologize. I'm just kidding. And you

know what this creaking rocking chair is. Fuck you, Elena. Hi, Paul, Jess. I'm just kidding. And you know what, this creaking rocking chair is not going to be my chair for long, so you'll miss it when it's gone, okay? I don't know if they will. No, you will. I won't. It's really hot in here.

It is pretty hot. But not as hot as it usually is. We're not healthy or sweltering, just you know. It looks like fallets, though. It does. All right, I'm sorry. So the Lake Boda murders is the biggest unsolved murder mystery in Finnish history. Unfortunately, it's kind of tough to get a lot of details about the case because everything

isn't finished. Wait, you mean you don't read Finnish? Yeah, I know. It's weird that I have not taken the time. Look at all your talents. Yeah, I've not added learning Finnish to my talent. I don't know any other way. I'm a native English speaker and Like of all your talents. Yeah. I've not had it. I want learning Finnish too, my tell. I don't know any other language.

I'm a native English speaker and that's all I know. Why don't you just like get your shit to your mother? I'm such an American right now. Yeah. I'm like, I only know English. I know. I want to know other languages. I can understand a little bit of Spanish and a little bit of Portuguese.

Yeah, I can understand a little Spanish, but yeah, we're at a severe disadvantage here since a lot of the details. I don't even, you know, some of the details are just even lost because of the bad. Because the LAPD was at the end of the scene. Exactly, because like we mentioned, it was just bad police work somewhat. So basically, this is a triple homicide with one survivor. And it occurred on Lake Baudum in Finland. Lake Baudum is located in a small area known as Espo which is 22 kilometers from

the capital Helsinki. What year was this again? I'm sorry. This was June 4th, 1960. Oh okay. So June 4th, 1960, 14s decided to go camping and they weren't camping like in an RV. They were like, they were not glamping. They were slummin' it. They were full on camping. Like they took one of those tents that like you put two poles up and you stretch a canvas over it and that's their tent. I'd rather you gloss. And these teens were 15 year old Anya, Tuleki, Maki. Good job, I like it. Tryin'. Her boyfriend, 18 year old Sepo on Tarot Boyzman,

which Sepo is a really cool name. Yeah, it's so cool. I'm just like Sepo. 15 year old Miley or Miley Bjorkland, and her 18 year old boyfriend, Nils Willem Gustafson. I just picture Miley Cyrus. Yeah, but this is Miley Bjorkland of. Thank you for clearing the deaf process.

So this wasn't Miley Cyrus. This was not Miley Cyrus. I know, it's a little confusing. Yeah. So they all were, you know, the two couples were dating. They were, they set up their little canvas tent on the shores of Lake Botham. The boys propped their motorcycles against nearby trees and they set this tent up in the shade and on a slight slip. Just so you have the picture.

Here's the picture. I like to paint a word picture for everybody. So while they were all asleep on the morning of June 5th between the hours of 4 and 6 a.m. all four of them were attacked very brutally by either a person, a demon, what have you. We still don't know. They were all attacked using a knife in some blunt instrument believed to have either been a rock or a pipe of some sort. Damn. Weapons were never found. So none of these were ever found. Well, that's crazy. Yeah. Not even that nice.

Wow. Nils was the only one that survived this attack. He was found alive, but he was pretty badly hurt, but not as severely as the other ones. He suffered a concussion, fractures to his jaw and facial bones, and bruising on his face. He also, apparently apparently was stabbed once in the head, the forehead. Jesus. Yeah, not just in the head. I feel like it would be really hard to

stab in the forehead. Like that's bone. That's bone is right there. So it's like he, apparently he had a pretty deep wound there. At least that's what I read in several reports, but curious. Interesting that he was only on the top of all I guess we'll get that And that his injuries were just not as bad as the other ones Yeah Killer news So the tent itself was beaten to hell and completely collapsed

There were slashes and tears all over it. There was blood all over it and Nils and Miley were found on top of the tent. Sepon on your were found inside the tent. Yeah, I think so. Do you know what I just realized? What? I'm going camping next weekend. But like, glamping. Oh, you said you're not going to be in a tent. But still, last time I went camping, I got sleep paralysis and it was terrible. Oh. Sleep paralysis is the worst thing ever. Yeah, I fucking hate camping. Stresses me out so much. I actually just had sleep paralysis. Was it last night or the night before? Sleep paralysis the worst thing ever. I fucking hate kids. Oh, stress is me out so much.

I actually just had sleep paralysis. Was it last night or the night before? Like my heart actually goes out to anybody that's ever experienced. Yeah, it's all because you've actually been care-guarded. It's never gonna die. I've experienced it since I lived in

mum and dad's house. Really? Yeah, I've had it since I was little. Wow. And I never knew what it was until it's like about a month. I got it once on a road trip when I was younger. I was going to North Carolina and I woke up

and I was looking out the window and crazy shit started happening with that I woke up. And then I got it once, like the fourth of July last year, or this year, when we were camped. When you were camped. And I was trying to wake Annie up and I couldn't wake her up.

And this person thing was figure was coming toward me and I was literally this is wake Annie up and I like couldn't wake her up and like this person Thing was like figure was like coming toward me and I was like literally. This is how I'm gonna die That's that's like the the hallmark of sleep paralysis. It was usually it's like a shadowy person Like I don't want to sleep there again, and it's awful and literally every time it happens I always look and I'm always looking at my room exactly how it is I'm not somewhere else. I'm not well because it just looks like yeah, like you wake up loose it in a way Right, so it's like you you are looking at my room exactly how it is. I'm not somewhere else, I'm not. Well, because it just looks like you wake up. You lose it in a way. Right. So it's like you are looking at your room. And it's like your brain is half awake, half asleep.

So it's like you don't have the ability to move because your brain is still shut down that way, but you're seeing the room and it's still giving you images that it would give you in a dream. In like a nightmare. Yeah, so it's all fucked up. But it's awful. So anybody who has that, whoo, we feel you, because that shit's awful. But we digress. But we digress. So, so, um, now Miley was found, she, Miley was Nils' girlfriend. She received by far the worst of the injuries and nails is the one that was still alive.

Nils was the one that survived this whole thing. So Miley was found naked from the waist down. There was no sign of sexual assault that we know of, but that, you know, who knows. And she had been stabbed multiple times even after she had died. A lot of overkill, which is often times associated with a personal attack. When you're just keep going. Her cause of death was blunt force trauma, so she died from blunt force trauma and then somebody just kept stabbing her.

She'd already died. So I mean, that's pretty intense. That's super intense. Yeah. Sepo and Anya were the ones inside the tent and they were both killed. I believe by Bluntful of strama, but there was stab wounds. I don't know what they're not positive. What one killed them now, it does look like they were all in the tent at one point and that the killer did stab through the tent. So he didn't drag anybody out of the tent.

He just walked up to the tent and started bashing and stabbing. That's fucking boring. And then the two of them ended up outside the tent somehow on the tent. I think it was basically just the tent collapsing and then trying to maybe get out or I don't know. But basically they did find like with the trajectory and the

blood and everything that it was initially. And essentially they were in the tent initially getting attacked. That's fucking horrifying. Yeah. And I'm sure they were sleeping most likely. Yeah, they said that that's they were probably sleeping and we're just woken up by that which is my biggest nightmare. And from one of the a couple of reports I read, they actually say that all of them received

Blunt Force trauma, but only Miley was stabbed. So there's some reports that say that all of them were stabbed, some that say only she was, but they all say that she was over killed. Over killed would stabbing. So I mean, again, this is a tough case to get all all the details correct but I just want to put out every angle here. No matter what the definite facts are that Miley was way more severely attacked on the rest of them. The killer also stole things from the victims including clothing and wallets but some of these items, not all of these items, so some of them were actually

found tossed around like 500 meters away from the crime scene, which is like a half mile away. So like not very far at all. Not very far. And they like why would you take them just a scatter of them out? It's just weird. It almost seems like somebody was trying to make it. Stage. Yeah, I'm just like something happened. Well, and there's even more of that. We'll make you think a little bit. So weirdly, there were tracks found leading away from the crime scene and these tracks suggested that the killer actually was wearing nails as shoes when he walked away. Which is odd because like first of all why would you do that?

And second of all he just happened to have the same size shoes as nails. And also, these shoes were found dumped and hidden, 500 meters away from the Kim side as well. So unfortunately, Nils claims, because he was immediately taken once they found him, which we'll explain when this happened. Nils was taken away to a red cross station once they found him. And and immediately they questioned him about everything and he claims he was in shock throughout this whole thing, which, you know, since there's tracks leading away,

was there any tracks leading back? Not that we know of, but there's a reason that we might not see those tracks that we'll get into a little later. Okay. Nils had trouble recalling anything, really, about this attack. And he did have a con later. Okay. Nils had trouble recalling anything really. He did have a concussion. He did have a concussion. He does initially say that he remembered a black cloaked man with red eyes coming at him. Seems legit. So it might have been one of the hungry vampires

from Twilight because remember they had red eyes. Yeah. The Voltaire. Yeah there you go. Like I think when they get hungry, they get red eyes. Yeah, I'm just making fun of finally. I finally, really. I finally, really. But he was put actually later put under hypnosis and he was able to give them a description of who attacked them and we'll go back to that later because it's important. So after this whole thing happened,

two boys that were bird watching near the site actually noticed the collapse tent on June 5th, later the day. They pulled it all over it. And they were looking from far away. So they just saw a collapse tent in two motorcycles, but they saw, they both claim that they saw a blonde man with longer hair walking away from it. And it was far away so they couldn't give a lot of details. I think they

could give a little bit of description about what he was wearing. But they were far or so. Exactly. And they just were like, okay, that's just a collapsed tent. They weren't really concerned. I mean, yeah, why would you think too much? There was another boy who was fishing nearby and he also said he saw a blonde man in the area as well. So a blonde man was fucking there. So there was a blonde dude there. The bodies were found at 11 a.m. on June 5th when Risto Seren, sorry if I missed that that name, was jogging and saw the bodies on the tent.

He called the police right away. The police arrived around noon and they determined like I said earlier They they determined that the killer never entered the tent. They got them from the outside They were they were found at 11, but it took them till noon to get there. Yeah, well it was in the middle of the woods Oh, okay. Yeah, so he probably found them called them and then they okay time to get there, but Initially, this is where it gets like, really guys. Initially, the police called upon the public to aid them in investigating,

because that's always a really great idea. What? They literally asked the like civilians to come search the area for weapons and evidence. That sounds like a really bad idea. And to this day, people are in there searching for evidence, just because it's when you go there why not.

But having hundreds of civilians traips through a crime scene and surround in the surrounding perimeter of the crime scene, search for murder weapons that are never located. Well, and what if it was a suicide? Was a bad choice. Like that committed. Well, it obviously probably was a civilian. And it's like, what are you doing having people who don't know how to look for evidence look for evidence? So basically just they just tired they just contaminated the crime scene right completely

Fuck yeah, that's you have several. I mean, this is why parameters are set up in the first place to Like they typically are like stand back mother fuckers. Yes. Can't come into the perimeter because you'll fuck up the crime scene And it's like so yeah, they found tracks leading away from the tent. But if there was tracks going back to the tent, how the fuck am I going to find them? There's a hundred people walking around that place. Were the bodies like out too? Like that's kind of fucked up. I don't know about that. At that point. Yeah, but either way they had civilians looking for fucking murder weapons. And what were they going to do? Pick them up with their bare hands and walk over and hand it to them like, that's really all we know about like what went on that night.

There's not a lot of details about, you know, because again, this is 1960s. They fucked up the crime scene. And it's in Finland, which we can't translate all the details. So there was mainly four- Angie has made it easier than ever to connect with skilled professionals to get all your home projects done well. Whether it's routine maintenance and emergency repair or a dream project, Angie lets you browse home on her reviews,

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on several violent crimes in the 1960s. He was 15 at the time of the murders. Oh. Well, the victims were 15, right? Two of the victims were 15. Uh, he did live really close to Lake Baudum, and when he was 24 years old, he was serving time in jail for some of those violent crimes he committed, and he confessed to the murders. But maybe just for street life. He wasn't interrogated,

but his confession made no fucking sense, and the police were like, I think you're just crazy. Do you know what he said? No. They just ignored it. But he later hung himself in a prison prisoner transport station. Some say he did it on the anniversary of the murders. But maybe that's how it goes. Exactly. And also it just, not a bit made sense.

Yeah. It's like, I don't think a 15-year-olds killed two 18-year-old boys and two boys and two 15 year old girls, and I also it just doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah I think he was just being a dick. He just wants true credit in prison. The next one is Hans Osman Hans Asman it's pronounced it is pronounced Osman, but it is spelled as man He did it. I know it. He was mad about his name. Can you? Oh, I know that poor guy. He had to murder someone to get over. Like, I have

many people in his life probably. I walked up to him and was like, Hey, you a boob man. Or an Asman. Fuck you. That's funny. Yeah. I didn't even think about it. So he's German. In case you couldn't tell from Hans Osman, he's German. And he was an alleged KGB spy living in Finland in the 50s and 60s. Wow. He was a former police officer. He served in the SS. Ooh. And was a guard in Auschwitz in World War II.

Damn. So he saved some shit. So he served in the worst. Like the SS, you can't even in Germany now. It is illegal to wear an SS uniform. Wow. Yeah. Like that's really fucked up.

But the reports I read were that he fled from that when he became involved with a Jewish girl. Okay. So interesting story he has. Yeah. He was later captured by Soviets and recruited as a KGB spy. That's the story at least. What a life he learned.

Right. Crazy. So he looks a lot now when Nils was put under hypnosis and they got that description from him, they did a sketch. They did several sketches. Does he look like the sketch? From his description. Now, I'm going to put these sketches on the Instagram because this also connects to something else. He looks a lot like those sketches.

Like a lot. This is ass man. This is ass man. This isn't boob man. This is ass man. This is not boob man. This is ass man. So he looks a lot like those sketches, which is interesting. Now, lot like those sketches, which is interesting. Now, Hans actually went to the Helsinki hospital the morning after the murders and everyone there said he was aggressive, he was nervous and was faking unconsciousness while he was there and he also lied about his identity. Now they said his, all the doctors and nurses said his fingernails were black and like caked with some substance and his clothes were stained with red, which they all believed were blood. No tests were taken to confirm.

Good. But the doctors there all believed that it was blood and said they would testify to say it was blood. Like they were like that was blood. Now, his clothing also matched the description of what everyone said they saw that morning. Was he blonde? And he had longish brown hair which was also exactly how it was described. And if you look at the picture of him it's exactly how the photo has his hair. Like kind of slipped back. Wow. So he

actually ended up cutting his hair. Once the description of the killer came out, he chopped it off. Okay. He also lived within five kilometers of Bodom. How far is that? Which is not long. Let's, I believe it's like a half a mile.

Oh shit. Police dismissed him and didn't test his clothes. Why? Now, Detective Maddie Polar, now I think his name is, thought this guy was responsible for it and he also thought he was responsible for five other unsolved murders. Jesus Christ! One of these occurred less than 10 months after the late BOTOM murders and it was Kailiki Sarri.

And it's actually a case that we're, I think we might cover at some point because it's an interesting one but People believe that Osmond wasn't investigated further because the finished government didn't want to piss off the Soviets with their findings basically Dr. Jorma Palo who was one of the doctors to initially examine him when he came to the hospital Went on to write three books about him and his connections to the writers. So they really believed he was part of this. He's a

good, he's a good candidate. He's certainly a good candidate. I feel like you know more. Well, I know you know more. I feel like I might have an idea. So that's Osmond. So the next one is Carl Vladimar Gilström. It was him. I mean, right? Yeah. This one I'm just gonna seem even more likely than Osmond. Well, tell me why. He was known as the Kiosk man. Oh, this guy. He ran a Kiosk station in Ota. I'm sure I said that or like Wita. I'm not sure how you say it. It's fine. You sure I am. Tell me, less than a half a kilometer away from Lake Botham. He was like an angry ass, dude. Yeah, he was known as aggressive, but not like, oh, that old man is grumpy as fuck.

No, like he was really aggressive. Like he actually threw fucking rocks at children. Like children that would go by his place, he would throw rocks at them. Jesus, he's a dick. Um, this guy actually particularly hated campers, just like, which is very like a, it's a very niche hate. Yeah. But yeah, he fucking hates campers. He would like throw rocks at them while they were camping. He just like hated campers. I think it's hate is like, seems like he hated younger people. A lot of old people hate the group.

This guy drunkenly confessed to neighbors that he committed the murders and said that he hid the evidence in a well on his property. Why did everyone want to confess to this murder? Well, then a few days after the murders, he filled in the well in his yard and neighbors think this is where the weapons and some of the items that were stolen that weren't found are hidden Police have not dug up this wall. Why? I don't think they will. Here's why his wife gave an alibi For him and said he was with her in bed all night

She might not sleep then well police Went to his house question him question his wife. They got the alibi. They didn't find any evidence in his house they can't just go digging up a well on a hunch. That's true. So they couldn't do it. Well, later when his wife was on her deathbed, she said he threatened to kill her. If she actually said that he wasn't home that night. So he wasn't home that night. And she said he was not home that night. And she knows he's the murder. And she was like, I'm a die anyway. And as she was dying, she was like, I just wanna let you know that he's here at the unconscious.

She's here at the unconscious. If I said that he wasn't there that night and I know he's the murder, whoa. Yeah, do you think it was him? I think he's a good, he's my, he's like right, it's tied between two. Okay. And he's a really good candidate.

Because also, he confessed up to four times to various people. And, ready? He drowned himself in Lake Baudem in 1969, depending where you look, it's 1969 or 1972, but he left a suicide note where he confessed to the murders again. Damn. And he drowned himself in Lake Florida. In the lake.

I mean, I don't know. That's a pretty good, pretty good candidate. How do you drown yourself? Like, that's a lot. I guess you know what I'm trying to do. I imagine you just drive, you just drive out the drive there. And you can do that too, I guess. But I'm assuming you just swim out to the middle of the lake and wade there until you get tired and

eventually you're gonna drown because you won't be able to keep yourself above water. That's horrible. Where's the way to go ever? Yeah, damn. So that's the third and really likely suspect but the fourth suspect is Nils himself. The lone survivor. So poor ones, they always get blades. I know, but sometimes. But it wasn't until 44 years later in 2004 that he actually became a suspect. That's why. He was 63 years old.

You know what, now that we think of him, they're like, yeah, actually, he was arrested for the murders that year. And at that point, he had lived a pretty normal life. He was married. He was raising two children that were adults at that point. Did he, at that point, he had lived a pretty normal life. He was married. He was raising two children that were adults at that point. Did he ever confess? Nope. And he was retiring from a long career as a bus driver. And so he was just like a normal dude.

Yeah. And until that point, he was an innocent guy. So in 2005, the Finnish national Bureau of Investigations actually considered the case closed and nils to be the prime suspect. Wow. Like this is it. It was based on blood stain analysis, and this new forensic evidence was on nils shoes that the ones that were found, you know, 500 kilometers away, half mile away. Forensic scientists found traces of the victims blood on them,

but none of his blood on them. Huh. Which is weird. That is weird. Because if his blood was on them too, I'd be like, okay, like, first, it's, I mean, the whole thing is kind of weird because it's like, it was the middle of the night, like, he wouldn't have his shoes on.

Oh yeah, I don't even think so. So like, why does he have any blood on those shoes? Right unless they were in the tent, but it's also like I don't know like it's a very weird thing So none of it makes sense, but the official statement from the prosecution was saying that they think he erupted in a jealous fit of anger Fueled by drunkenness and teenage hormones because, okay, and took it out mainly on his girlfriend, who was the one who received the mabrance, everything, which is curious that she's the one that received the most. And he said this is why, you know, she got the most, the other two were just kind of collateral

damage. Some claim that it might have been related to her not wanting to sleep with him. Right. Because he's 18, she's 15. When she was found with her pants off. That's what exactly. So she was found nude from the waist down, which is a very odd detail. Very odd, because it's no one else's run out of money. Now, this is all conjecture, obviously. But a woman who was camping nearby with her friends the night of the murders came out 45 years later and claimed that Nils and Seppo had shown up to her campsite in the middle

of the night, aggressive and drunk. But here's the thing, she came out with this 45 years later. Yeah. And there's literally absolutely no evidence to suggest this happened. She kept quiet about it for that long, and she only came out with it when she was offered an interview for a documentary. And none of it just doesn't make sense. Well, like that body doesn't even matter, even if that did happen.

Well, that's, I like I think also I believe It was Miley who kept a diary mm-hmm and she taught it she in her diary They have the day she they were there a lot and she never mentions that they left the campsite that the boys left the campsite Right to go visit someone else. It doesn't it doesn't really pan out that part But in 2005 was when the trial began for Nils. Okay. They were aiming for life in prison. Damn.

And the defense, but the defense said one or more people had to have committed these murders and Nils was too badly injured to have done it. But he could have inflicted some of those injuries upon himself after the murders and the jaw and the jaw fracture and the concussion and the facial bruising could have been as a result of fighting with SEPPO. Right, like because SEPPO might have seen him attacking his girlfriend or woke up in the middle on the face, he's going to have facial bruising. He could have got a concussion if he hit him in the head. Yeah. So once that happened, maybe he did get to kill Anya or Miley. And then the other two were just witnesses. So he had to kill them both.

And I mean, it could happen. It's definitely. It's not really hard to overpower two 15-year-olds. And the 18-year-old old if you can get him down You're pretty good off. So they and then he could have just cut his own head and brought his shoes far away. Yeah So I just don't understand why he would bring his shoes far away because I think he was trying to stage Because he brought all the wallets and the clothing far away too So I think he was trying to stage that it wasn't someone in the campsite of somebody outside.

And maybe he knew, because they also said their shoes were kind of hidden. So he might have been hiding them knowing that their blood was on it. And not his one. And then he could have just laid on top of the tent and waited for people to find them. Wow. Now, no DNA at the crime scene belongs to anyone, but the four people in that crime scene. Oh.

There's no outsider DNA. So that's interesting. That isn't interesting. Because you also have to think, if you're killing four teenagers brutally, you might get cut. Yeah, for sure. Or you're going to leave a strand.

I mean, if these people are seeing a blonde guy with long hair, well, in the way that blonde hair is going to shed. For sure. I'm gonna find some kind of DNA somewhere. But that's interesting. Actually, blonde people lose the most hair out of anybody. So there you go.

I learned that in hair school. Actually, maybe it's redheads. I don't remember. Goodbye. You do good. I lose a lot of hair. I think it might have. You do good. I lose a lot of hair. I think it might have been blonde, though, because I actually lose time.

I think it is. I think I've read that. I think it's blonde, that's the most. I think you are the most. And then I think redheads are the next. Oh, okay. So, Brunette's just get to keep their hair. No, they lose some, but not as much as me and you.

Damn it, fuckers. So, he was initially sentenced to life in prison. So he was found guilty. So he was found guilty. But he only served one year before he had an attorney? No. A acquittal? A appeal.

A appeal. He had an appeal after one year, and he was acquitted in October 2005 due to insufficient evidence. So he only served one year, and then he was acquitted. Now, a lot of the evidence was just too deteriorated to provide a lot. Well, the front 1960. It was so much of it up.

And then on top of being from 1960, like 45 years ago, you know, at that point, they let a bunch of people walk through the bunch of things. So it's like, come on. Now, when asked about the whole thing by reporters after he was acquitted, he just said, I'm innocent, that's that. Hmm.

Like, you don't have anything else to say. Yeah, like, your girlfriend died. Yeah, like, okay. So a lot of Finnish people remain pretty divided on his guilt earn a sense. And actually, again, if we have Finnish listeners, I wanna hear what you guys think. Yeah, for sure.

Again, I don't know if we have Finnish listeners. We might have no Finnish listeners, but if you know anyone finished, ask their opinion because I'm interested in all the case. To hear. Oh yeah, it's literally the biggest one in Finland. They all know about it. But I really want to know what you think. So they're divided on his guilt or his innocence.

And in an article by the Guardian from 2005, an Espo shopkeeper said about the trial of Nils, quote, three generations of children have grown up being told not to stay out late for fear of the Bodom murderer. Well, we feel that if it was really Gustafson, just who's Nils, the police would have charged him a long time ago. Because he would have killed again.

Which I get that, but like, I don't think he was a serial killer. He was just key killed him in a certain range. I think it was like a passion kill or there was some reason because it was very personal. So, but going back to that sketch that was done when he was under hypnosis, the one that looks like Osmond. Does it also look like him? No, but that would be weird. But now that sketch that we're gonna put up, you look at it and you're like that doesn't look like a person. Like it looks like a cartoon. It doesn't look like a real human. It's got huge lips, it's got big bulging eyes. It just has weird, very crazy, like cartoony kind of features.

What a cool thing to see. Get artist that we're going over lately. But, well, this one actually is right on because a photo was taken of the crowd at the teen's funerals. Yeah. You look at that photo, one face stands out and it is a fucking cartoon face. That is the exact sketch put in that crowd. It is the scariest looking human.

Like he's dead now, I'm sure. So whatever. I, nobody knows who he is. No one was able to identify him. So I'm not one of the four suspects. Not for the, well people say that he looks like Osman, but I think he looks way scarier than Osman. He looks exactly like the sketch.

That's so terrifying. To the point where you look at it and you're like, did they photoshop that scary face in that crowd? It also just got really dark in here. It did. It's like what the hell? I'm not kidding. I'm gonna put these up on the Instagram so you guys can have your minds blown because

wow. It's so bizarre. That's so weird. When you look at the sketch, you're literally, that's the sketch. I'm having an image show you right now. Okay. And now find the funeral photo. You were like, that's the sketch. I'm. Okay. And now find the funeral photo. You were like, that's the sketch.

And here's the funeral photo. Oh my God. It's the sketch. Put into the photo. I literally just got shit. Like I have goosebumps. That's the one that I was telling you. I was gonna show you and you were gonna like

pee your pants. I have good, look at my leg. Like that, look at my leg. That's not it. You really do have goosebumps. Holy shit. Like that's not a, you really do have goosebumps. Holy shit. Like that's not, and that looks like a cartoon. That doesn't make a real person standing there.

But that is it. Yeah, he is like a bunch of sketch. That is just sketch. He is like very, kind of deformed, but very exaggerated features. That's fucking crazy. And this is the funeral. Yeah, it was at the funeral of the teenagers. He happened to be in the crowd. Is that that's Hans Osman. Oh, it does kind of look like he does

the tea. But that guy looks way more. It looks a lot like Hans Osman, in my opinion. I mean, it looks like I'm for sure. He has the bulging eyes. He has the and I wonder if he got hurt in like something out into his mouth where his jaw is there. Yeah, his jaw. Because it does. his mouth where his jaw is very dislocated. Wow, that's wild. But I'm definitely going to put this up because you guys have to see it. Hashtag live reactions, right? So yeah, he looks fake and horrifying. It's scary.

Damn. Now, unfortunately, again, like the police allowing the public to contaminate and destroy this crime scene. Really fucked up. And any potential evidence they could have got. Kind of puts this case in the place where I don't know if it's ever going to be solved. I really don't see it ever being solved. Well, and most of the suspects are dead now. Exactly. So it's like, if I had to really pick a suspect,

Nils looks really good. Who's the one that went to the hospital? That was Osmond. I think it's Osmond. But my second would be the kiosk man. Yeah. Because he admitted it and he drowned himself in like bowdom. And his wife said that she lied for him.

And that she thinks he's the killer. Did Osmond hang himself? Uh, no. Osmond just... Oh, they're weird. killer. Did Osmond hang himself? No, Osmond just... Oh, they're wearing a dead guy on himself. The random guys. The random guys, I don't say, yeah, we don't have him. But he was just one of the four suspects. But Osmond just didn't get investigated much further

because they were afraid that people think it's because the finished government was a little... But then that guy's wife, no, no, not Nils. The guy's wife who won her deathbed said, that what I was saying that's that's the key ask man Yeah, so maybe it was the fucking key ask man about some saying all of these suspects are actually really good I know all three of them are really good. So who do you definitely think in you? Who's your number one? I'd have to say the key ask man is my Because his wife said it and he killed himself and he killed himself he killed himself, he admitted it. He filled in that well.

Yeah, there is a lot of evidence there. But Osmond looks like that sketch. He does. He really does. And the hospital, the hospital visit. And he cut his hair. Yeah. It's just, see, you can't.

Yeah. But then you look at nails. Why was his blood not on those shoes? That was scary. What was that? I don't know. Wasn't me? It was John Stairs, I think.

Oh, it was okay. I don't know man. Like Nils had his blood wasn't on his shoes. And why was the girlfriend so brutal to girlfriend? And not really at that. There's just a lot. See, this is like... This is a good one.

This is so... It's kind of like the diet lot where it's like there's so many things It sound like they could be it. It's like all right guys. What do you think? Well, there's a yeah you guys got to give us your opinion We really want to hear when I want to hear the opinions when I put up the Pictures on Instagram feel free to go bananas in the comments with the earth areas Now I'm just gonna end this on there's some pop culture moments that are related to this and I actually wrote pop culture moments, Henny. Henny. Like Jonathan from Quera. Yes, I love him. I love Jonathan from Quera. So this has been referred to as the real Friday the 13th.

I'm aware of that inspiration. But I'm like, and at first I was like, yeah, totally. Like I just was. And then I was like, but not though, because it's not at a summer camp. It was just kids killed in a tent. That's true. It also wasn't a serial killer that they know of. And it also wasn't a woman who was killing people

who allowed her son who was deformed to drown in a lake. Yeah. So that's very loose. Very loose. But it just referred to, it's to drown in a lake. Yeah, so that's very loose. Very loose. But it's just referred to, it's known as that a lot and I thought, oh, it's funny. Now there is a Finnish like metal band from Espo. Oh, okay. That is, that are named Children of Bodum, which is actually a really cool band, children

of Bodum. Children of Bodum. And they took their inspiration, their name from this case. which is actually a really cool bit in the children of bottom, children of bottom. And they took their inspiration, their name from this case. They formed in 1993. I don't know what that is. It's really fucking scary to be honest with you. So yeah. Yeah, so they took their name from this case, which is really cool.

Yeah, that is cool. And they're finished from Espo, where it happened. There's also a 2016 movie called Bodum, known internationally as Lake Bodum, and it's a Finnish horror film inspired by the case. It's not based on it, but it's inspired, so you know what the fuck that means. Heavy artistic license. Right. Now, basically, the plot is that a group of 14s go to the spot

of the murders to recreate it into like be grow who the perpetrator is. But like I bet if we go and we recreate the whole thing that will know who it is. Chaos and seniors. But no, I'm not going to give you spoilers or anything. And it's not, but it's actually been compared to Wolf Creek. Oh wow.

So that's kind of funny because we just talked about Wolf Creek and Australian episode. And Wolf's kind of funny because we just talked about Wolf Creek and the Australian episode. And Wolf Creek is a fucked up horror movie so. I've never seen it. I assume that bottom or lake bottom is a pretty fucked up movie. Let's watch it. It got good reviews and like Sundance. Can we watch it?

Yeah, I'm sure it has subtitles because it's finished, but we'll go with it. Okay. Yeah, she immediately was like, oh, never move. I have to read that. I'm done. I'm fucked that shit. but we'll go with it. Yeah, I should immediately was like, oh, nevermind. I have to read that. I'm telling fuck that shit. So yeah, that's the like, bottom murders. And we want to hear what you guys think.

Yeah, I want to hear. Because it's a really, it's a tough one. To make a real stance on. A lot of people still think Mills did it. I see why they think that. I mean, I hope he didn't. Yeah, I'll help. Because I hope he hasn't just like lived his life after this. And I also, if he didn't do it, I feel really bad if he didn't do it. It's like you live through that. And then 44 years later, you get blamed for it.

It's definitely wild to me that the wife of the kiosk man said that he did it on her deathbed. It makes sense that she was so afraid, her whole life not to say anything. And it is very interesting that he confessed to it four times and killed him outside. And in a suicide man. And killed himself and like, both of them. Yeah.

It's interesting. And that he was just an angry mother fucker. And he hated campers. So it's like, and they had motorcycles, maybe he was pissed off that they had motorcycles too. Oh, sure, didn't do that. So it's like, I don't know, I'm just saying.

It's interesting. Let us know what you think. But that sketch looks like Hans outside. Oh, the sketch, I can't wait for you guys to see this sketch in the picture of the terrifying. Yeah, the picture of the theater, I was like, it'll blow around. That guy, he looks like his face is like,

something happened to his face for sure. It looks like he's not a real person. Like it literally looks like a bean- He looks like a photoshopped cartoon in the middle of that. Do you think that somebody photoshopped that he was at the funeral or do you think they didn't? That's an original photo. Oh, he was definitely there. Yeah, like whoever that is was there.

Wow. That was just a photo taken. Nobody did anything to it. That's insane. Wow. Yeah. So let us know what you think and subscribe and rate and review. Find us on Instagram at Morbid Podcast. Find us on Twitter at A Morbid Podcast.

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