Morbid - Episode 18: Katherine Knight Is The Worst Nana

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Australia. You may have bested us with this one. Hold on to your butts because this lady is bashing people over the head with frying pans, leaving babies on train tracks and skinning men like Buffalo Bill. Katherine Knight is a woman so evil that words have failed me here. Just trust us, this one is bananas. Sources: https://allthatsinteresting.com/katherine-knight https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/murder/katherine-knight-slaughterhouse-worker-who-skinned-cooked-her-boyfriend Beyond Bad: The Life and Crimes of Katherin Knight , Australia's Hannibal by Sandra Lee https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/queen-bee-cannibal-killer-katherine-knights-life-in-prison-where-shes-known-as-the-nanna/news-story/e6f5e013f7be2c6328eb40029e0715b2 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/18/story-of-australian-woman-who-skinned-and-cooked-partner-to-be-told-in-film 2020 update! This book is great, so for those of you looking for a good dive into this after the show, check this book out. Man-Eater: The Terrifying True Story of Cannibal Killer Katherine Knight by Ryan Green See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Butterball. Ow. All right. So that was're here. Here we are. And we have some business to catch up on. And I have a little correction to make before we start anything. Whoa, so fast. Just get this out of the way. Fucking corrections.

I want to make sure that everybody knows I'm correcting this right away. I want to make sure that everybody knows that I do the right amount of research. Whatever. So, last week, we were doing... What were we doing last week? We did the vampire cult killer, Rod Farrell. And I said that this happened in Murray, Kentucky, which it did. But I also incorrectly said that that was the same place that Ted Bundy tried to kidnap

Carol Durantch. Wrong. The thing is, he tried to kidnap her in Murray, Utah. So I just didn't look correctly. I wrote it down wrong, stupid me. But one of our listeners corrected me on that, and I appreciate it because it makes me very upset that I got any element of the Ted Bundy case wrong. Yeah, that's your favorite case. I know, so yeah, so we just wanted to correct that. It was

Murray Utah, not Murray Kentucky. So thank you to, I don't have your name because I just have your user your handle on Instagram. Joa called to do. Yeah, where are we? J-O-A-C-O-T-D. Is your username? Joa's their name. But you're also writing a book on the 10 Bundy case. Yeah. We'll plug that shit for you when you write it.

Yeah. You'll get to write it. But thank you for that. J-O-A-C-O-T-D. I appreciate it. Thank you. So that's our correction for today. If you have any more, yell at us.

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Sorry. I'm gonna name my first kid, do your sila. I love that name. That's a red name. I'm not gonna name my first kid, do your sila. She'd be crazy. Cause Tristella was crazy. So, we're taking a trip to Australia again. To the outback!

We're going downanda! Again! I come from a land, no, no, no! We already hit Ivan Malat! So yeah, we're taking a trip to Australia again. And I know we have a lot of Australian listeners, which is kind of cool. That is cool.

So hey guys. I want to go to Australia. I want to go to Australia, wake up bad. I want to see a kangaroo. A kangaroo with a jelly. Jelly? I don't know if that was Australian or if that was British. I don't know.

They are, I feel like people might get mad at me for things, but I think they're like sort of similar. They're similar but like not at all. But yeah, they're like sort of similar. They're similar but like not at all. But yeah, exactly. They're like the same but completely fucking different. They're like, they really are. It's a very like actually, I was listening to last podcast on the left, one of their Australian episodes,

and Henry has been trying to perfect his Australian accent. Is he gonna like it on it? He's really good at accents, I will say. I wish I was gonna accent. And I know me too. And they were talking about how, and I agreed completely, especially being from Boston, that the Australian accent, the Australian accent has a lot of like, Bostonian elements to it.

Because a lot of like, you can't, you know, they mean like, it's like, it's almost like the JFK accent. I'm not good at accents But I'm good at like doing other voices. Yeah, like the party goblin. I like the party goblin It's good to party in a valley girl. That's just my fucking voice God damn you I'm gonna talk like this so that no one thinks I'm a valley girl So let's just get right into it.

Woohoo! Today's case is the case of Katherine Knight. Why did I think it was Christina? By... You really cro- Katherine! Katherine! Katherine Knight, also known by some as the black knight.

Oh, like a she's intense. Yeah, she is fucking intense. So fair warning. It's fucking brutal. This is brutal. Brutality to the maxality. Like this is wild. Because when I first got into this case,

instead of like diving into it, I knew the big crescendo of this case. But there's so many little crescendos. Which it ends in a murder. Let's just say that. But there's so much leading up to this too. It's, she was such a bad person. She's still alive, I shouldn't say she was.

She's a real bad gal. She is a real bad gal. She's a bad person. She's still alive. I shouldn't say she's a real bad gal. She is a real bad gal. She's a bad broad. Bad. And so many things just failed in this. Like the police failed. The mental health system failed. Her family failed.

Everyone's a big old failure. So much failure. So let's just kick it right off. So in Aberdeen, Australia, 49-year-old Catherine Knight brutally killed her common law husband John Price on February 29th, Leap Day. Woo! In the year 2000. We had another Leap Day murder, didn't we? We had somebody who's born on a Leap Day. Oh, someone was born on a Leap Day. Where like that's the next talker, was it? I think it was actually.

I think it was. I think it was. It's supposed to be good luck, but it's not. It was bad fucking long. So apparently it's not good luck. So the details of how she committed this murder, we will get to in the end in a little while, but it's going to blow your fucking mind.

So, you know, hold onto your butt. Hold onto your butt. We should put that on a shirt. We really should. Hold onto your butt. Hold on to your butt. We should put that on a shirt. We really should. Hold on to your butts. So the crime scene where this happened was apparently so bad. We're just giving you some things to hand on to

for the rest of this whole thing. It was apparently so bad that a lot of police officers straight up quit. They were like, you know what? I don't think this is a screen. Like they were like, you know what? Nope, not gonna do it. And the police officers straight up quit. They were like, you know what? I don't think this is for me. Like, they were like, you know what? Nope, not gonna do it. And the police officers who actually were the first responders there

have complained years later of still being affected by what they saw. I would be. A few officers had to go through years of therapy to try to wipe this vision away. That's the thing. I don't know how police officers see what they see and don't go to, like, they have to. Yeah, I don't go to police officers see what they see and don't go to like, they have to. Yeah, I don't go to therapy. Well it's the same as like medical examiners and shit.

Well yeah, you're just bananas. It's you just have to separate. Yeah. You have to look at it as good. You have to be like good at it. Yeah, you just have to be like, this is a job. You can't think too far into like, this is a person with a family and this is,

you know, you have to say. I think that a lot of people's hair. That's what I should. When you start like, let's person with a family and this is yeah I think that people tell people that's when you start like let's keep the family's like oh shit a lot of pressure to me but if your mom doesn't like your haircut fuck you're gonna come back next week you're gonna come back next week and I can't deal with that we're getting too close we have very similar group members same thing same exact thing totally so detective sergeant Bob Wells who was called to the crime scene, one of the first responders,

said, quote, it's an image that I'm still trying to come to grips with today. And that's a detective, like a sergeant. Video footage of this crime scene is actually locked away. Oh, I heard that. And it's so bad that they believed anybody who views these tapes would be forever damaged. And that's why I would never want to. But they had to show it to the the jury pool. And a lot of the jury pool had to have like therapy afterwards. Jesus. And she's not a household name in Australia. Really? Which is crazy. Because you would think

she would be. Because in the end, she ends up being the first woman in Australian history to be sentenced to life in prison without parole. Now, the reason she is not a household name is because journalists literally thought that it wasn't right for the public to hear these gruesome details. Oh. Like they were literally like, this is too much. It's like taboo. So according to the Daily Telegraph, it was left out of a lot of newspapers and off news because it was just so bad. Now, a journalist with the Australian named Peter Lelor said, quote, we had to make a decision whether the story was palatable for people to read with their breakfast in the morning. A decision was made this couldn't be reported. It was too horrific.

So how did people ever find out about it? Well, they did. Some people did report on it. Report on it, but it just wasn't as widely reported as I think, or maybe they just didn't report the details as much, and the details are really what makes this just a legendary case. Just a legendary case. So, Catherine Knight was born October 24th, 1955 in Tenterfield, New South Wales, Australia. She was definitely raised in a dysfunctional and unconventional family to say the fucking least. Well, here is the thing with all of the fucking people that were covering lately.

Like, this one is really bad. Like she was in a real bad. So before her birth, her mother Barbara, I can't, it's ROUGHN. Rowan? Oh, yeah. Barber Rowan, I'm gonna let you know. Quick, pick this cross. Whatever.

Her mother Barbara Rowan was married to a man named Jack Rowan, who was a pig farmer, and they lived together in a small town of Aberdeen and New South Wales Hunter Valley, which is a small town of only like 2,000 people. And it's well known for its slaughterhouse industry. Do you know what that reminds me of? What? Sharp objects, which you should fucking watch.

I know, I need to get on it. But we've been trying to finish the good place. This isn't true. Just fucking watch our objects instead the good place is very easy to binge though So sure objects. I'm gonna get on center and all of you should too. Sorry goodbye And I'm also trying to finish dark tourist or I'm just trying to save her I I think yeah, I save her because I sprinkle it in here and there. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna.

I wanna season two. Kinda hoping season two for sure. Right, sponsor us Netflix. So yeah, sponsor us Netflix. I already know what you're doing. Go watch it. So, so Aberdeen was known for its lotter house industry.

Like the whole town, a lot of families, that was their family business business. Good. A lot of pork. Barbara and Jack had four sons together and after these four sons were born, Barbara began having an affair with a man named Ken Knight, citing Jack's drinking and gambling as a problem for her. Uh-oh. Ken was a co-worker at the Aberdeen meet works at

Slaughterhouse and a friend of her husband Jack, so she was like a fucking peach clearly. So she ends up having four more children with Ken. Holy shit. Yeah, as you're gonna see, like, kids are popping out everywhere in this game. She was fertile, myrtel. They have twin girls, Catherine, enjoy. Oh, she's a twin.

She's a 25, yes. Catherine was the younger one. Her sister's name was Joy. Which is really funny. It would be funny if her name was Joy. When Catherine was four, her stepfather Jack passed away and the two boys who had lived with him moved in with Barbara and Ken. The other two kids from what I read because they had four kids, Jack and Barbara. The other two kids I read in a couple, they went to live with an aunt in Sydney. Jack and Barbara or Ken and Barbara.

Jack, okay, so Jack passed away. Yeah. So, there to Barbara and Jack's kids. There are first kids. Two of them went to live with an aunt in Sydney. Two of them went to live with Ken and Barbara. Oh, okay. Got it, sorry.

And no, don't worry. And a lot of family tree. Yeah. So now, it all just kind of seems like dysfunctional, but like the kind of dysfunction that's like whatever. Right? Like you're just like, okay, whatever. Yeah, like who cares?

No, it's not that at all. So you're like, you're gonna care. Yeah, like get ready. So Ken was a piece of actual shit. He was a big pile of dumb. He literally was. He was an alcoholic and he openly used violence and intimidation on Barbara. Oh good. She had black eyes all the time.

Wasn't a fair to have Barbara. Like wasn't everything good with Jack? Other than the gambling? Was it worth it? And eventually the kids saw these black eyes and bruises. It's just normal. Like she walked around battered and bruised and they just didn't even ask. Really good. That's her mom. And they didn't ask because this was always in full view of the kids where he would be stressed. They didn't ask because they knew. They knew. He would also rape her sometimes 10 times a day in front of their children.

You. What the fuck? So he not only did he abuse her in front of the children all the time, but he also raped her in front of the children. So these kids are getting some unbelievable messages. Just function here. And this is completely desensitizing kids to violence. Right.

And it's putting hands in hand with sex. Exactly. Because now we're going to do the same thing that happened with the retrovieras and with a lot of these. Yeah. They're fusing sex and violence and that's going to block them up for later in life. So this obviously messed up Catherine's mother Barbara as well and she ended up making a habit of telling her

children the intimate details of her sex life and how much she hated men. That's um probably not what it's just like to do. It's just that's compounding on top of yeah already shitty things. You're like if you hate men so much Why don't you leave? Just be alone man and at like just to like put this in further at one point later in life Catherine complained to her mother that one of her partners wanted her to take part in an act that she was not comfortable with Okay, she was like mom what the fuck do I do here? And her mom was like, just put up with it and stop fucking complaining.

Oh, okay, Mom. Thanks for your motherly advice. I was just gonna say motherly advice. Like what? Yeah, so that's good. Now, Katherine claims she was frequently sexually assaulted by her half brothers. But not her father.

Pretty believable. She never claimed by her father. Now, she says this continued until she was like 11 years old. People have minor doubts about the details, but psychiatrists do accept these claims because family members have confirmed that they have. That's really sad. So she's being sexually abused by her own brothers,

which is super fucked up. Her father is abusing her mother and every ma imaginable in front of her. And then on top of that, her parents took turns in beating the kids all the time, with anything from an electrical cord to a dog lead. What? And there was a big wooden plank that they left hanging above the kitchen door as a warning to the kids. Oh, okay. Now, when she attended Muswell Brook High School, I might have gotten that name wrong, Muswell Brook. You tried.

High school, um, Catherine was kind of a loner, and she's remembered by classmates as a legit bully who like stood over smaller kids and like, was rude to them. Intimidated them. So she was- Well, that's what she fucking knew how to do.

Exactly, and she- So she was a huge asshole, and her sister Joy was basically the them. Intimidate of them. Well that's what she fucking knew how to do. Exactly. And she, so she was a huge asshole and her sister Joy was basically the same. Oh. So the two twins were dicks and actually they would fight each other a lot. Like they wouldn't have beaten the shit out of each other. But then if one person stepped to one of the twins, the other one would come to their defense in like a second to like kick someone's ass for their twin huh yeah so it's like kind of crazy so she assaulted at least one boy at school with a weapon and was once injured by a teacher who was found to have acted in self-defense oh yeah that's when you know it's bad if your teacher is using self-defense so around town everyone knew she had these dark moods

and that's when you would keep away from her. But they also claim that she could be really sweet and polite and like happy and wonderful. It's interesting. Now there's a reason for this and I'm gonna get into it in a minute. Now, she dropped out of school at the age of 16. She hadn't learned to read her right

and she was basically considered a literate. This wasn't super weird at the time because in this town a lot of kids were kind of just In school to be in school until they could go into the meat industry. Oh wow So this wasn't a two-word thing a long they weren't really there to learn they were there just to pass the time It was a day here sort of yeah, so After failing her first audition into the abattoir which is a slaughterhouse job she finally nailed it and got what she referred to as her quote dream job well that's like 1974 at the age of 18 I would not want a slaughterhouse job she has to kill animals well no I'm saying

like you oh my yeah you have a slaughterhouse job. I have a slaughterhouse job. Can I say something though? This is gonna be really sad, but like just like for your knowledge, pigs are even smarter than dogs and they know what's happening to them before they get slaughtered. Yeah, and this is gonna suck to here once you know that. So you're welcome. So just get me a don't eat pork. Yeah, I still do. I was gonna say, you'd say that like maybe don't eat pork.

But I still would do. Let me go eat some pork. But just so you're educated. But you know what? It's good to know where it comes from. Yeah, and like sometimes I actually, because sometimes you need to have a moment of like shit. What am I doing?

I mean, I eat meat, but I'd really like to not eat meat. Me too. It's difficult. I need to get some well power. So she did finally get that dream job. She was putting the awful room, it's called. The awful room? Awful is the entrails and internal organs

of an animal used as food. Oh good. Now, she was in there scraping blood in bone marrow from the dead animal carcassists. Ooh. Uh, this was at the Aberdeen Meatworks company and her co-workers claimed that night would like to go over to the front of the production line and watch the pigs have their throat slit.

Jesus. Yeah. They assumed at first that she was just trying to learn and like, but then she got weird and driven out of it. And but some were like, she spent a lot of time watching these animals die. Like, and then she was, once she started to be able to get promoted

in the slaughterhouse, she was doing it herself. Yeah. But there's a way to do it. I mean, it's all awful. But if it's a less awful way to do it. But like, usually they get cut quick to not let them suffer. That's the whole point of this is not to, you know, torture, you know, or, you know what I mean.

Yeah, but instead of doing that though, she wouldn't quickly slice their throat. Instead she would like, nick an artery and watch them bleed out slowly. What? Which is so fucked. That's crazy in there, but you're literally watching an animal just bleed out slowly. Oh, the hell that makes my heart hurt.

Yeah. Now, she was quickly promoted to boning and given her own set of butcher knives. At home, she hung the knives over her bed. As one does. So that she would, so they would always be handy if she needed them. So listen I'm all for having a weapon next to your bed at night because I have a weapon next to my bed at night but like hanging a whole set of butcher knives over your bed seems like it's a little much like a little excessive. I normally just have like food next to my bed. I also have food

next to my bed. I have food and weapons next to my bed at night. And soy milk. Gross. I always have soy milk. Oh, I know. But no soy milk. I bring a seltzer up to bed these days. Yeah, there you go.

I'm starting to get heartburned in my old age. Oh man, you are getting old. So she was obsessed with knives, like obsessed. Can I, these? She was obsessed with them, she loved them, and she was really good at using them. She knew how to bone a bitch. There's something called pickerism,

pickerism. And it's a clinical term for someone who is aroused by the notion of cutting, slicing, or stabbing skin. A person with pickerism fantasizes about using a knife to pierce skin. Awesome. So she definitely had that. Okay.

Her strength was also known all over town. Like she was a pretty big woman. Häftile lady. Like she wasn't fat. She was just big bone. Big. I think she was like over six feet tall. So she was tall.

And she wasn't lanky. You know what I mean? Like she wasn't new to me. She was like, she was a big broad. She could take you out. Was she like big? She was just like meaty like she like she had big she had big that's why I would really want someone to describe me meaty She had like a lot of people said she had very masculine hands very big

masculine hands and she was just very strong who like very strong and you'll you'll hear later of things that she did with her strength and it's like she was clearly strong, scary strong. So that's also really scary. She was that strong. Yeah. Now we're gonna get into her marriages and relationships now. Which is the best fucking part. She had four major relationships and earlier I told you that like people around town said that she could go into these dark moods and you fucking stay away from her because she's scary in those dark moods. But that one she's meant she's hell and I'm sorry. But that one she could be super gentle. Now the reason for this is she was believed to have had

borderline personality disorder. So this illness manifests itself in kind of scary ways and is exceedingly difficult to treat. So because of this mental illness, she was able to show a soft, probably warm side that could draw people in, but then she would unleash. She'd have episodes. And she would only unleash for a short period of time. So once that happened, she could draw the people back in with the sweet, you know, charismatic way about it. Right. And that's why she was always able to bring them back in with the quote, good Catherine, because it would always come back. Now I'm just going to give you a little

information about, I'm going to call it BPD, borderline personality disorder, just so you know, we're working with her. The characteristics of it are a fear of abandonment. They're often terrified of being abandoned or left alone. Something as innocuous as a loved one getting home late makes these people go into an eye. But they get so scared that this person is abandoning them. There's a lot of jealousy there. The next thing is they have unstable

relationships. They tend to be intense but very short-lived. They're gonna fall in love quickly. They're gonna think every new person is the one, but then that's gonna quickly dissipate as fast as it came. And they're either gonna be horrible or amazing and nothing in between. The next thing is an unclear or unstable self-image, so your sense of self is completely unstable. Sometimes you feel great about yourself, sometimes you hate yourself. And you don't have a clear idea of who you are or what you want in life.

Oh! As a result, these people frequently change jobs, friends, lovers, religion, values, goals, and even sexual identity. So the next thing is impulsive, self-destructive behaviors. These people engage in harmful, sensation-seeking behaviors. It's usually when they get upset. They go, they will impulsively spend money. They'll binge eat.

They'll drive recklessly. They'll steal. They'll be promiscuous. And overdo it with Drone's and Alcohol. Like, they'll sabotage success by suddenly quitting a good job or ending a relationship. Wow. Then there's self-harm, suicidal behavior, and deliberate self-harm.

Extreme emotional mood swings, so unstable emotions and moods are common. You may feel happy one second and then completely despondent the next. Little things that usually people can brush off will literally send these people into just Jupiter. And very intense, but they pass very quickly. So they get very angry or very upset, but it can be gone. So it's almost, it's like manic. Very manic, yeah. And then there's chronic feelings of emptiness. So they feel like a nobody and they try to fill this nothingness with, you know, drinking drugs, sex, you know, anything.

New thing. Yeah, just anything in excess. Okay. They have explosive anger, so they have a really short temper and they just explode. They have control. They have trouble controlling it once the fuse is lit. It's like, they'll yell, they'll throw things completely consumed by rage. And then the last thing is they have a lot of feelings of suspiciousness. So they struggle with a lot of paranoia, a lot of

suspicious thoughts about others. And when they're under stress, they almost like disassociate and they kind of feel like foggy and spaced out like outside of themselves. Huh. So this is what she was, what was going on here. She had a lot going on. To be clear, borderline personality disorder does not cause you to kill people. You have to already have that thought in you, but borderline personality disorder can help it along, I think.

Yeah, it doesn't help it at least. You know, I mean, it does help it. Right, it adds to it. It just compacts all that. Okay, I'll pass it in exactly. And as we'll see later, like experts said, that borderline personality disorder is not the reason for this. It's just there as well. So her first relationship was with a man named David Stanford

Kellett. Now Catherine met David at work. He was a co-worker in 1973. He was known as a hard-drinking, and a fighter, and just, but like a good guy. Like you would, you get like a fist fight with someone he's drunk, but he's like a good guy in general, you know what I mean? Yeah, and the two quickly fell for each other because they were young. They were like 18 years old. Oh a lot So this was a long time ago, but she completely dominated him and if David got into a fight which was like a lot She would step in and literally like fight alongside him with fists like she would fight and she would literally fight with him with fists. Like, she would fight. And she would literally fight with him. Now, in Aberdeen, she had already become well-known for physically fighting anyone that she's her off.

So now she was just with someone that she could do it next to. Now, they did get married in 1974 when they were both 18. But she literally forced him into it. Like, one day, we're fucking getting married. Basically, literally, one day during their lunch break, she literally told them we're getting married. What?

So she essentially did do that. And on the actual wedding day, they arrived at the service on her motorcycle and David was a shit face. That's fucking amazing. And on that day, Katherine's mother Barbara gave David some advice. Because you know, it's their wedding marie-her.

And she was like, let me tell you a little something about my daughter. This is what David said that Barbara told him. The old, he said, the old girl said to me, watch out. You better watch this one or she'll fucking kill you. Stir her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you're fucked. Don't ever think of playing up on her. She'll fucking kill you. Stur her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you're fucked. Don't ever think of playing up on her. She'll fucking kill you. And that was her mother talking. She got me, she told me she's got something loose. She's got a screw loose somewhere. That was her own mother telling her new husband that. That's wild. Now on their wedding night, as you can imagine, their wedding night

was beautiful, romantic. Was it just everything you've ever thought about? I feel like I don't. I don't. Thought wedding night should be. Now, on their wedding night, David woke up to Katherine strangling him and punching him in the face. I mean, that's romantic AF. Now, you might be thinking, why?

I would say that's the first thought. Why is she doing that? Well, she later explained it was because he fell asleep after only having intercourse with her three times. That's it. And she knew her parents had consummated their marriage five times on their wedding night. Why did she know that? Why did she know that?

I don't fucking know. Look, Barbara, chill. Why did it matter? I don't fucking know. I have to beat Mama. Literally. Like gross. Yeah.

Also, three times. Also, five times. Chill, girl. Like chill. One and done. Chill. Come, you titties. Yeah.

So, she figured she would just kill his ass on the wedding fest. I can do better. I can do better. Banana's. Now, apparently he let that go, and they just went on with their life. And he also, David said their marriage in the beginning was like, okay, which I don't know what he considers okay after getting punched in the face and strangled. Yeah. Like getting punched in the face and strangled? Yeah, so now their marriage eventually did get very violent, but it was Catherine as the aggressor.

Shocking. One time when she was super pregnant because they don't have kids together. Yeah, like she is. She was super pregnant. Catherine lit all of David's clothing and shoes on fire and then hit him across the back of the head with a frying pan. What? Why? Because he had arrived home late from a Darts competition after reaching the finals at a local pub. A Darts competition. Yeah. Now, so literally he went out for the night to do this

Darts competition at a pub. The pub closed at like 10 or whatever and she called him and was like you need to get home now it's closed and he was like okay but we're not done we're just finishing up and she was like okay and when he showed up she was like oh I've lit all your shit on fire. So get home by your few bitch. Here's a firing pantom head. Now obviously he was terrified and figured she was gonna kill him and somehow staggered to the neighbor's house and collapsed when he got there. Oh my god. He was taken to the hospital and he was diagnosed with a very severe fracture to his skull.

A while he's like, he didn't die. This is not a fucking cartoon and you can't just hit someone in the head with a frying pan. Like that's insane. Do you know what I'm about to say? No. It's time for Hebilly Moment. Just anybody remember that from the Amanda Show. For Hillbilly Moment. This is a truth of a true-the-handful front-punch. Hillbilly Moment. Whoa. True Hillbilly Moment. Yikes. Now police wanted to charge her. Obviously. Why? So many wives.

But she was now on her best behavior, and she talked to David into dropping the charges. And then did they continue to be married? Never dropped the charges, guys. If someone has brought you to the point of having to debate charges, you don't drop them. Yeah, don't do that. Just go through with them. Now, when he came home from the hospital,

that's when she had hung all of the knives over the bed. the hospital that's when she had hung all of the knives over the bed. Oh that's when she did hang like a special hook. Yeah. Now she was like fuck with me. He came home and was like yeah we'll keep going with this. That makes sense right? Okay. Now one morning he woke up to see her like straddling him and was holding a knife at his throat, grazing it. And she left and told him, oh, easy, it would be to kill him. I'd be like, I actually moved out yesterday, bye. Now, David said, I never raised a finger against her, not even in self-defense. I would just walk away in these situations. And people said he did not, he was not a violent guy to her. Jeez. None of these dudes were. Now in May 1976, they shortly after the birth of their

first child, Melissa, David had enough of the constant abuse because he was obviously shit was bad. Right. He left her for another woman and moved to Queensland now is that still in Australia? Yes Now Catherine this was abandonment and she lost her mind real bad for her Now it was said that after this she threatened to slice up the baby. Oh my god And also swung her newborn daughter around by the ankle. She's the next day after he left she was seen pushing the new baby Melissa in a carriage down the street violently throwing the carriage from side to side and slamming it into fences and poles. They call this propensity inside. Now after this she was admitted to St.

Elmo's hospital in Tamworth like a mental institution and she was quickly released. Because she was probably gonna tricking people. Oh, and it gets worse. This is where the system fails big time. After being released, she then went and placed her two month old Melissa on some train tracks. I heard that. Shortly before train was due. Now while her infant lay on the train tracks, she went and stole an axe, went into, and started swinging it around at people threatening to kill everybody. Like, girl. People were literally running around

and hiding from her. That's so scary. And luckily a man known around town is old Ted. Old Ted! Was forging for like food near the train tracks. Found Melissa rescued her minutes before a train pass. Found Melissa rescued her minutes before train pass. Oh my god, that's so scary. And this time she was arrested and again taken to St. Elmo's hospital, but signed to herself out the following day. And her child was given back to her. What? Yeah. Like what?

Can you imagine finding out that like when you were two months old, your mom put you on train tracks? Or in Melissa, still to this day defense her mother. All her kids do. Interesting. And she'll beat the shit out of them their whole lives. And they still are like, no, she doesn't have to trade up her.

Yeah. And they've just been so conditioned. Conditioning. That's scary. So a few days later, obviously, recovered, right? Oh, for sure. This is so bananas. She was living in her parents now for the time being.

At one point, she took her infant child, Melissa, and went to, and she told her parents, I'm gonna go home to pick up a few things to bring back to your house. The things she picked up at her home were knives, including a giant curved slaughterhouse bullied, scissors and bandages. Normal.

She took these things along with her infant baby to the home of a young teenager that had worked with her at the slaughterhouse. When she got there, the boy's mother answered the door, and she told her that my baby's sick, and she needs a ride to clean land to the hospital. So the woman is like, oh shit, sure. Like of course I'm going to help you in an infant. And Catherine was like, I'm going to go back to my house right down the street. You can pick me up. I just got to grab a couple. Were she just walking? Yeah. So the woman packed up a bunch of her kids because

she had a ton of kids and got in the car and went to Catherine's house. When Catherine saw that there were a bunch of kids in the car, she got super pissed, pulled out the curved blade and said something to the effect of like, this is too many of you, I'm gonna have to get rid of a couple of you. What? She then went batch it and started swinging the knife at everyone and cut one of the girl's cheeks. Oh my god. And so then they said that she seemed like she was searching for something in her front yard, like while she was holding them hostage. What?

And they were like, what the fuck? They found out later that that's where she kept her gun in the front yard and that her father had come days earlier and removed it, probably fearing she was gonna kill her baby. We're trying to kill her baby again. So if he hadn't have done that, she would have definitely murdered an entire fucking family. What the fuck?

Yeah. Now eventually she holds them all hostage and tells them to drive her to Queensland because they're going to find her husband because she's going to find David now. Oh shit. It's so fuck. Now they convince the family, this woman and her kids, convince her that they need to stop at the gas station for gas or petrol And when and she agrees she's like yeah totally and then she's like oh good I can go inside and cash my check that I have Like she's like actually the cell looks out. You know what?

This is great. This is super convenient. Thanks for being so compliant. Yeah, like you guys are great Now while she's doing this the entire family escapes and locks themselves in the office of the gas station, because it's the only place they can get to. So of course, Katherine gets super pissed about this. Of course she does. In an issue of incredible strength. Like I was saying before.

Does she break the door down? She's real fucking strong. She used her bare fucking hands to rip the blade off of a giant lawnmower that headed to was attached to the back of a tractor. What? Yeah. I looked one of these things up. It's like a big, flat lawnmower that attaches to the back of a tractor. The blades are gigantic. Oh my god. She must have cut her hand. Who knows? She's a beast. Now she took this blade because she wanted to hack

the door down to get to the family. And she needed a thicker blade, then she had to. So she took this blade and is hacking away at the door. Like, there's an entire screaming family behind this door while she's hacking at the door, all while she is holding her own infant. Like, girl, seek help. Yeah, finally.

It's time. She got into the office. She broke down the door. She grabbed one of the little boys. No. He held a knife to his throat and was only stopped because the police showed up. She was disarmed when the police attacked her with bruise.

Because, you know, oh my God, one time, there was... What do you have a story to tell us? I do, because I worked on an Irish pub. So, I used to work at an Irish pub. And there was like this, I forget what the circumstance was, but I'll never forget what ensued. There was like a super drunk guy and we like had to... He was trying to drive his car home, I think.

And we were trying to stop him from it in my boss who is straight off the boat from Ireland. He was like hiding drive his car home, I think. I knew he was trying to stop him from it. In my boss, who is straight off the boat from Ireland, he was hiding in the bushes. The guy was hiding in the bushes near the outside of the restaurant, and my boss, well, they were the broom. And we were all just hostesses, so we were like, what the fuck is he gonna do with the broom? And we went out, and he was just hating the bushes

with the broom, and he got the guy with the broom. So apparently, the brooms are affected. So apparently, broom's our effect. They are. I think, hey. And like, you're not really gonna hurt anyone too badly, so it's a good use of- I love it. I love it.

The first thing people do is grab a broom. You're like, why do you have a story about a broom? I was like, what's happening? How do you even- I was sorry about disarming with him with a broom. I do? I love it. Well, she was admitted to Morris at Psychiatric Hospital.

Did she stay a little longer? She had no charges put against her. The family did a charge her entire family and no charges were put against her. No idea what how that happens but whatever. Now I think she's just like slipping through the cracks. Well Catherine told the nurses that she had actually intended to kill the mechanic at that gas station because he had repaired David's car, which allowed him to leave her. Oh, you know, that makes perfect sense. Her plan was then to kill both her husband

and her, his mother when she arrived in Queensland. Like, you want him though, so why are you trying to murder him? When police told David of this whole incident, he left his girlfriend and moved to Aberdeen with his mother to support Catherine. Good. Like what? What is what kind of what is the felt process there? The last magic does this woman have that she is able to suck these dudes back in after attempting to murder an entire family for them. Like that's wild. It's

bananas. It's bananas. Like so did he move back to be with her just to support her? Yeah, to be with her. Oh. Now, Katherine was released on August 9th, 1976 from the psychiatric ward. How long did she stay? I'm not really sure. It wasn't that long, but um, she was released into the care of her mother-in-law and David. Okay. She planned to kill. They now moved to Woodridge, which is a suburb of Brisbane, where she obtained a job at the Dinmore Meat Works. Goodie. Now, her family, as we know, is also like,

Kuku crazy. Kuku nuts. Kuku nut man. And so they all thought it was David's fault that she was going crazy. They all believed in David. I mean, yeah, fuck David, right? So they just waved him because he's the easiest thing to do, and they just wanted to keep her away from him.

Because they all enabled their own shady ass behaviors. Like, they enabled each other to be dick. Oh, yeah. So now remember, this is the same mother who on their wedding day told this guy that Catherine was probably going to kill him. You know, she's probably like, bitch, I warned you. Well, now she's blaming David for it.

Well, yeah, she warned it. So they are literal manipulative, crazy people, but they're like, it's insane. Now at one point, David came to pick her up at her mother's house and her mother Barbara stormed out to the car and started giving him the business. Oh no. You know like stay away from my daughter get the fuck out of here. She got pissed, reached in the car and started strangling David in his car. The mom? Yeah. David just sat there. Did not fight that. He was like I love his life. This is my life now. Katherine saw this happening out the window, ran out there, spun her elderly mother around.

Oh dear god. Punched her square in the face and knocked her the fuck out on the ground. No. Knocked her out cold, her elderly mother. What is happening? So they all moved back to, away to Queensland. And on March 6, 1980, they had another daughter. Oh good.

Yeah. So there's like multiple fucking train tracks. I like what the fuck dude why? What are you doing creating more life with this crazy girl? You already don't want me doing. You already don't want me doing. And in 1984 after more craziness and more abuse, Catherine left David. She's like you know what? I think I'm over it. Like let that sink in after all of this. She's like this is really fun anymore. What? So first she moved in with her parents in Aberdeen then to a rented house in nearby

Muswellbrook and she returned back to work as an Albu or as a Episodder house. That's a hard word to say You know what she just foggered onto the spot. But then she intentionally injured her back the following year and went on a disability pension. Like why wouldn't you just lie about hurting your back instead? Because it must be so weird. Because she could prove it I guess.

So she didn't need the rent accommodation close to work anymore obviously. So because she was on disability, the government gave her a housing commission residence in Aberdeen. Damn. Later, David would say about her quote, she was the most wonderful wife you could wish for. What? Perfect mother, perfect housewife. Sometimes she'd just snap like a biscuit.

A biscuit snap? Well, when you snap them. Biscuits are soft. Oh, well, in cracker. Yeah, when you snap them. Viscuits are soft. Oh, well, in Crocker. Yeah, in Australia, biscuit, and also in here, we're like the only people who call biscuits like those fluffy things. Oh, really?

Biscuits everywhere else are crunchy. Oh shit. So she snaps like a biscuit. Well, another news, she probably wasn't a great wife. Or a mother. But that's the thing, she manipulated, and these are abused husbands. You're literally like spouting what she wants them to say. You can host the best backyard barbecue. You find a professional on Angie to

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. Now, after she left David, she met David Saunders, a 38-year-old minor. They met in 1986. According to people who knew Saunders, they called him a gentle polite man who loved dogs. Oh! And he was not prone to violence. Oh! So a few months later, after they met, he moved in with her and her two daughters, Melissa Natasha.

How these kind of people get like 400 people to move in and propose to them is beyond me is beyond my comprehension But so although he moved in he also kept his old apartment in scone just in case this did not sit well with Catherine She was not she was super jealous and wondering what the fuck he was doing in that apartment Meanwhile, he was just like keeping it because he was was like, I don't know if it's normal. I just fuck her up. Yeah. Now, she would often throw him out, because she'd get pissed and just throw him out.

So he needed somewhere to go. Exactly. So he would move back to his apartment, and then she would go back and beg him to come back, and that was it. Now, from what I've read in her, she had very specific methods of getting men back and all of them around, a lot of them around sex.

She, apparently, and like wild, long-distance. She's the greatest ever, and apparently that's how she gets around. Apparently. She was different evil. In May 1987, Saunders, now he testified in court later that she did the worst thing she could do to him in May 1987. All night. They had an argument and she stormed outside and he was like whatever I'm gonna let her cool off outside but then he realized

wait my puppy is outside. No. When he went out there she had cut the throat of his eight-week-old dingopup in front of him. For no more reason than that's an example of what would happen if he ever stepped out on her. I legitimately hope that she dies. Yeah. Like an eight-week-old puppy. Like, fuck you.

And just to get to this guy because she knows he loves dogs. Like, that's so evil. How do you ever go back to somebody that does that? I would literally murder her right then. Well, then she knocked him unconscious with a frying pan. Oh, so we did not fucking chance to murder her. She had a connoisseur. Is she a very, like, malevolent cartoon?

I don't know what she is. Like, fuck her for killing a dog. I feel like she is, like, this whole thing is, like, just, like, one of those Russian nesting dolls of just... Oh, shit. Like, it's just, like, a Russian nesting doll. Oh Oh shit, she's real bad. Oh, the level. She's so good. She's so good. That's her whole life. It's just like you keep pulling out one and you're like, oh there's another one. There's more. There's more. Literally. She's a Russian nesting doll of the level. That's what she is.

Yeah. Now, you know, this is all pretty standard and really healthy, right? That's so sad. I would never. I'm sick, this is all pretty standard and really healthy, right? That's so sad. I would never... I'm sick and certain here. I don't like, how could you ever be with someone that killed your dog? I'm not over it. Because she literally bullies and like just...

No, I just murder her instead. I just... I can't. Well, his friend said it wasn't unusual for Saunders to turn up at work with cuts and bruises on his face. Oh good. Catherine had even broken a couple of his ribs and inflicted such deep cuts on one of his wrists that he needs stitches. Geez that's scary because there's a lot going on in your wrists. Oh yeah. Now in June 1988 she gave birth to her third daughter. But like was that necessary?

She gave birth to her third daughter. But like, was that necessary? Like, can we? I don't think it was necessary to be honest. I don't think so. She named this daughter Barbara after her wonderful daughter. The love of her to mother, her room she punched in the face.

Yeah, because this relationship definitely needs to continue and this woman definitely needs to keep having children. Apparently there was a breaking point for him because after an argument, yeah, apparently not. After an argument where she hit Saunders in the face with an iron and then stabbed him in the stomach with a pair of scissors, what? He moved back to his apartment. But then later he returned back to the house. Why? Because he was like, oh, I got to get my clothes, but she had cut up all his clothes.

Which like, dude, just buy more clothes. Leave. Yeah, you don't need your clothes. Yeah, like it's fine. Nothing you have is that sacred. Now before the relationship ended, Catherine vandalized his car and took an overdose of sleeping pills to try to pretend to commit suicide. It was like a half-heart attempt. What? She ended up in the psych ward again. And he did. Chika, you got to stay there. He left. He then took a long service leave from work and literally went into hiding. Yeah, don't blame him. I had to go into hiding. Don't blame him. These men couldn't leave her. Like when they left her, she would fucking fine How do you go into hiding? And she was so fucking scary and gigantic that they were like, I'm like, it's like,

it's like when bad-ed women have to escape their awful abuse of husbands. It was a reverse. These poor men were trying to escape her, but they couldn't. They got a movie with Julia Roberts. And then that other movie with Jennifer Lopez. I don't know, either one of those.

One is called enough. And the other, yeah, and then one is the stranger that sleeps beside me. I think I don't I don't it's with Julia Roberts the one with Julia Roberts is wicked good You would maybe like it maybe I love Julia I don't I know her. She's actually a huge person real life. I think so like I think a lot of people are yeah I'm a bitch sometimes. I've been out of love you. I have my days.

Well, so he, she's a Catherine tried to find him, but no one would tell her where he was. They were live. And several months later, he returned to see his daughter. Oh, yeah, fuck, she has this kid. And she found that Catherine had gone to the police and unfaked that she was afraid of him.

Oh God. They issued her an apprehended violence order against him, which is like a restraining order in the United States. So she's a real piece of shit. She literally took out a restraining order on him because she was like, oh, he's scary. Meanwhile, she stabbed him in stomach and killed his dog and hit him with a frying pan multiple times.

No big deal. I'd like to hit it out my face. I'd hit it back. I hope the iron wasn't on. I mean, who knows? Well, she wasn't just showing violent behavior to the men in her life either. She had her kids too. She was hurting her kids. There was one story that I heard I believe it was on the last podcast on the left episode about this, where her daughter, Melissa, was like, the one where she left on the train tracks

swung around by her ankles and like, she kept her in jail. She was like 12 years old and Catherine was talking to her friend in one room. And Melissa came in and was like saying something, like being an annoying kid, I think. Instead of just being a parent and being like, hey, give me a second.

She just walked over to Melissa and punched her in the face and then walked back over to her friend, like, like nothing. So what were you saying? Yeah, literally. Like, girl. Also, how did she have friends that weren't like, hey, I don't think that you should punch your friends.

Because apparently she's surrounded herself with assholes too. So one night when in Melissa was an adult and could go out and drink with her friends She was at an Aberdeen pub with one of her friends when her mother showed up Grabbed her by the hair and repeatedly hit her head on the table for why? Others at the bar saw this like with his witnesses that were like what the fuck? When she collapsed on the floor, Melissa. And Catherine dragged her by her hair, took her to the car park, the garage, where she smashed her daughter's head into the side of the car before throwing her into the passengers.

What did she do that for? Apparently to take her home. What? Isn't that how you would get your kid on? Probably not. I would say no. Now the people at the bar were too scared to intervene, which is fucked up.

Bystander effect? That's fucked up. It's like that is really fucked up. Someone is literally beating the shit out of her child. Like I don't care if she's an adult or not. No, it's not gonna be the shit out of anyone. These days though, Melissa supports her mother. Like good luck with that.

But witnesses said they saw this happen. Maybe it's easier to like defend her that would be. They're abused children. That's really sad. It's like abuse spouses. They'll come to her aid because that's what they're taught. They're like bullied into it basically. That's really fucked up. It's really fucked up. So say goodbye, you know, Saunders, peace out. Now, the next guy, she got into a relationship, was in 1990. She met a man named John Chillingworth. He's a 43-year-old former slaughterhouse coworker.

So she was really just like snagging him at the slaughterhouse. For real? Like her singles mixer. Oh my God, speed dating at the slaughterhouse. Speed dating at the slaughterhouse. For real? Like if singles mix their... Oh my god, speed dating at the slaughterhouse. It's been dating at the slaughterhouse. Instead of the dang you just say you're an oink. They like caught eyes across the, you know, they were like,

they do. It was love at first slaughter. So within weeks of their meeting, she was pregnant. Oh good. Yeah. Damn, fucking fertile murder all over here. She gave birth the following

year in 1991 to a boy named Eric. So someone gave this fucking woman birth control. Literally. For real. Like, please. If this is not a perfect ad for contraception, that's what it is. Like, girl. So she refused to let him move into her house because her mother had just recently died RIP Barbara. RIP Barbara? And she inherited her house which she decorated pretty specifically. Oh I know. You see she was a very skilled hunter and was actually really good at killing and skinning rabbits. Good foreshadowing. And to show this off she decorated the house with animal skins, skulls, horns, rusty animal traps, leather things, old boots, machetes, rakes, pitchforks, old farm equipment,

like. And it was literally like, like floor to the ceiling. Yeah, like the ceiling was covered in a ship. Literally the ceiling, yes. Nothing was left uncovered. That's probably why that crime scene was also so fucking damaging. Why do you have fucking rabbits on your ceiling? Well that was, I think, in his house.

Oh, a different house. Yeah, it's an different house, but that would be more. But still, yeah. But I have a weird flavor of decor in my space, but- No, yours is like, tasteful. Well, in my past does not include slashing puppies, throats, and banging my exploit friends on the head with frying pans. Oh, it's like fucking cool.

I'm glad to hear that it doesn't include that. So I feel like it's like, that's okay. Okay, yeah. I'd say that. Because I'm sure a lot of people listening, probably like skulls, like bones, like, you know, weird shit in their house. I do.

I have a couple skulls. I have bones, I have weird shit in my house. So do. I have skulls. I have bones. I have weird shit in my house. So it doesn't make it weird. It's just, I don't know. It's also in addition to her behavior. Yeah. It's like if she was just like living her life.

She also like sleeps with knives above her bed. Even if you're just living your life, it's a little question. It's all asleep with knives over your bed. It's just dangerous. Yeah, like there could be an earthquake. And actually a German psychiatrist said that this particular behavior along with like this particular pension for like dead things in your house along with her violent behavior is consistent with something called necrophilius which is not necrophilia. but kind of a branch of it. So necrophilia is necrophilius doesn't, they don't wanna have sex with dead people,

but they like to possess and have power over dead people. Oh, or dead things, even. Dead things. Dead, dead. Dead. Yeah, so it's like, she liked to display a lot of taxidermy and bones and skulls and all that because she liked that they were hers. And she liked killing animals a lot of taxidermy and bones and skulls and all that because she liked that they were hers and she liked killing animals because they

were hers. Like she could possess them. Horrible. Yeah. So their relationship John Chillingworth and hers they were this lasted three years. Oh 1993. And ended when she smashed his false teeth into bits. In his mouth or out of his mouth? I don't know. It didn't say, but like, either way, that's a rough situation. Oh, but this is when she met John Price at a club. Oh no.

Now all of these men can you picture her at a club? At a club. Like, and her dance on. Every picture I saw for her, she was wearing like Tweety Bird shirts and shit. So that's what I picked her. Oh, all in a lot. It's had a very red face all the time.

It was just like, she was a lot. Yikes. So I can, I'm just picturing this red face like in a pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, I'm making the club. Oh, Etchaker! Now, John Price, whose nickname was Pricey. Oh. His name was John Charles Thomas Price.

He was born on January 6, 1985, 1955. He was the father of three children who he shared with his ex-wife, Colleen, with whom he'd had a very amicable separation in 1988. His daughter at the time had stayed living with his ex-wife Colleen, with whom he'd had a very amicable separation in 1988. His daughter at the time had stayed living with his ex-wife, but his two older children lived with him. Now, at the time he began dating Knight, his eldest child was an adult and his two youngest children were like teenagers.

He was referred to as a quote, terrific bloke in like five. Everyone who knew him, he was said to have been a kind and loving man. His ex-wife even insisted that he kept that he keep the home they shared while married. So she like she was like you keep the home. Wow. Yeah. So she obviously like respected him. Then later she said he was one of the kindest gentlest dudes out there. She was like, I know he never put a hand on her. Wow.

And he was clearly still in love with his ex-wife. Like he was not over it. They never got officially divorced. They were just separated. So, and he was, I think they just, because I don't think they wanted to get divorced. I think they were trying out this separation and he got involved with her.

I just wondered why they got separated if they were like so. Oh, I don't know. They said it was amicable. So it just might have been some people just don't. It's not like an knockdown dragout thing. It's like, yeah, no, it's not working. You know, yeah. So that must have been it. Now, when he was well aware of Catherine's violent reputation when she moved into his house in 1990. Oh, he knew. Yeah, but I think he kind of thought like, I think these guys think I can change her. I can change, yeah. Well, just like battered women. Exactly. At first, his children were like kind of weirded out

by her and weren't really fans, but she was trying to be nice. She was psyched because he was making a ton of money working in the local mines and they did have violent arguments But at first life was a bunch of roses as always I'm pointing to you know Aside from violent arguments, so other than the argument pro tip It's not normal or healthy to have violent arguments, you know every rose has its thorn away. Yeah totally But like this is not okay. So he consistently refused to marry her. He was like, yeah, fuck

that. Probably because she's insane. Well, and he wasn't unmarried. Well, and she got pissed because he had an officially divorced his ex-wife, Colleen, and she was getting more in again. Jealousy is a big thing for her. Eventually, she stole some of his money and bought herself an engagement ring. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which was?

Which really pissed off her, his kids. Well, yeah. Yeah, you're a nut job. I'd be really angry. As they say in Australia, you're another. Oh. And even when she bought herself an engagement ring, he was like, yeah, nice.

We're not getting married. We're not engaged. Like glad you just bought yourself a ring. So in 1998, Katherine and Price fought over this particular subject, his refusal to marry her, and also over the fact that Price had put the home and all his stuff in his children's name in as well. So, she's pissed that he won't marry her. He's pissed that he's pretty much still, that he's, that he's, his life revolves around

his ex-wife and his children. Right. So, he's just a good father and she's pissed about it. And she's pissed that all of his shit and his house are in his children's name. So they're gonna get it when he kicks. Now, in retaliation for this one night. Oh no. She went out of the crescendo yet.

But this is really bad. She videotaped items in his garden shed that he had allegedly stolen from his work and sent the tape to his boss. Oh no! Now these things, before we start thinking he's a thief here, he was not. that he had allegedly stolen from his work and sent the tape to his boss. No, no. Now these things, before we start thinking he's a thief here, he was not. The items were out of date medical kits that had been thrown away. And he had literally taken them out of the company's rubbish to take home. Why? He just, he was thrifty.

Oh. Yeah. He was just like, oh, these are perfectly good. They're just out of date. Oh, oh, oh, okay. So he was like, I'm going to take them. Yeah. He was just like, oh, these are perfectly good. They're just out of date. Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. So he was like, I'm going to take him home. They're just for like medical kids.

Oh, okay, I got it. And when, so she filmed these, it sent them to his boss. He was fired from a job he held for 17 years. Oh my god. And he lost his pension. Why would they even fire him for that? Because it was theft, apparently, according to them. But 17 years, and he had a pension that he lost.

That's so fucked up. That's so fucked up. So the same day, he kicked her the fuck out of his house. Yeah, I feel like you can leave. And she returned to her own house, and the news of what she did spread everywhere. Now a few months later, price restarted the relationship. No! But now he refused to allow her to move in with him.

He was like, which I don't even know why we've even been- Why do you even want to be with her, yeah? So the fighting became even more frequent and it became even more violent. And most of his friends would no longer even have anything to do with them. They're probably afraid. Well, we know something bad is going to happen here.

I'm more trying to tell you. And you're not listening. I'm happening. She was talking in front of his friend Trevor once and she said, quote, you'll never get me out of this house. I'll do you in first. Neee. Then Catherine's brother Kenneth told the police

that five months before the murder, Catherine said, quote, I'm going to kill Pricy and I'm going to get away with it. I'll get away with it because I'll make out that I'm mad. What? Now after one fight with Catherine, in which he ran to a neighbor's house, he said, quote, she's gone for the butcher knife, so I had to get out of there. Oh my God. Can you imagine living your life like that? Yeah, like on edge. She let it she stabbed him I believe in the chest. Oh, he's a lot more arguments. He was lucky in that moment

So this is when you should probably end things yeah, like you've stabbed me now like there's a lot of fish in the sea You know maybe like go back Goline like I don't right? It's like never stopped you. And there's anybody else. Literally anyone else. There's so many fish in the sea and most of them are not like bottom dwelling evolved for the darkness prehistoric angler fish type fish. There are, they're like pretty rainbow fish. Plenty of fish. Plenty of fish. Sponsor us. Plenty of fish sponsor us. Oh. I mean, sure. Hey, sponsors sponsor.

So this is just so sad. So now David Kelet, the first husband, yes, actually caught up with pricey. It was like, 2019. And they discussed her crazy ass behavior. And price said he wanted to get out of the relationship but he was scared. And David Kellet said,

quote, he was so scared, he was almost shaking, he was really scared. Oh my God. Yeah. Go into hiding like the other dude. Now we are going to get into the crescendo. AKA she goes,

B-N-O-S. So I say one more time, hold on to your butts. Hold on to your every thing. Because it is going to get real. Just wait on these. So the day before prices murder, Catherine's behavior was very strange, according to her children. First, she dropped by her sister's house, her sister Joy, to get a video camera that she had left

there like several months earlier. And her sister Joy was like, okay, you can take the video like what. So she went straight to her daughter Natasha's house and weirdly recorded a video of herself playing with Natasha's baby. In the video footage, she looks at the camera and says, quote, I love all my children. I hope to see you all again. Oh, okay. And also make sure to be videotaped playing with them all. And just doing weird shit. Like she was opening her shirt and like letting them play with her chest.

The babies? On camera? Yeah. Why were her kids letting her do that? I have no idea. Like that's weird and like why are you letting kids play with your chesticles like you're just. You're just.

Why not even just a camera why are you letting that happen? Like what's happening? And it's like I don't even know like I just got super uncomfortable like this. That's not a good grandma stuff. You are right. I'm uncomfortable. Like that's okay. I want to I want to go somewhere else. I know I'm very uncomfortable, but this is this is it. I'm just trying to I'm hammering in the point of how

All right. So they played with their chesticles next. And on camera she also made a lot of comments, like, in kind of pushing their kids into saying things that are later interpreted as kind of a makeshift will. Like, she was trying to get them to like, so I think she was thinking, did she, was she pretending she was going to kill herself? I think so. I think she was kind of planning on doing that or maybe planning on that. Or do you think that she was doing that to be like,

managing like, that filter? Exactly. That's the other thing. I think she was also, I think she was covering all her bases here. To make sure she had a lot of things. What a smart asshole bitch. I know, she's a dick. Also, very out of character,

Catherine decided to take her daughter Natasha out to a local Chinese restaurant for dinner. And she said, quote, I want it to be special. And Natasha was like, what is happening? I'd be like, are you gonna drag me home by my hair? Well, they kind of, they kind of clued into something that was going on because so she asked, she then asked Natasha if she could leave

her two youngest children with her for the night, even though they had no clean clothes and were without their school uniforms and other things they would need Okay, now of course this was because she needed to be alone that night in the house with Price so she could murder so Natasha said in a statement a police that she Clearly sensed something weird was going on so she told her quote I hope you're not going to kill Pricy and yourself. Oh, I just, so she literally knew what was happening. She was like, um...

Why wouldn't you call authorities beforehand? Exactly. Because all these kids are pretty lost, I know. It's insane. So on February 29th, Pricy stopped at the Skone Magistrates Court on his way to work and took out a restraining order and had attempt to keep her away from both him and mostly away from his children.

He was that afternoon, he told his co-workers that if he did not come into work the next day because he got a new job, it would be because Knight had killed him. Oh no. Like he literally told them this. Why did he know that he was gonna kill him that night? I don't him. Oh, no. Like you literally told them this. Why did he know that he was going to kill she was going to kill him that night? I don't know. Oh, they had a feeling. Yeah. Now they apparently like pleaded with him not to go home and said but he said he believed that she would kill his

children if he didn't. So he had to go. Oh, because the kids were there. Yeah. So he arrived home and she wasn't there. And neither were the children because she had sent her children to stay with Natasha And she'd sent their his children to the front house. Oh, with their mother. Yeah So he spent the evening with his neighbors at his neighbor's house and then returned home and went to bed at 11 p.m. Where was she? She was doing some stuff. She stopped at a thrift store and bought a piece of black lingerie. Oh God. That's a thrift store. Yeah, that's gross. That's a real jenky. Is it like used? Likely. Ew. It's only against the wall. She could donate your underwear.

Fuck. I'm just saying. Then she said so she arrived at Price's house later while he was sleeping. She sat in watch TV for a few minutes before having a shower. Then she woke Price up, they had sex. In her thrifty laundry. In her thrifty ass laundry. And then he fell asleep. And she was probably pissed. This is when she pulled out her just in case but your knives and stabbed him 37 fucking times.

What? According to the blood evidence, he awoke during this. Oh my god. And tried to turn the light on before attempting to get away from her. She chased him through the house. He made it to open the front door, which was confirmed by blood evidence on the handle. And he tried to get outside.

Now judging by the blood on the front door step, he did manage to get outside. But then, according to more blood evidence, he was dragged back into the house. Now this whole time, Catherine was still stabbing him in a frenzy. Oh my God. Until he collapsed in a pulled blood.

In the end, he was stabbed 37 times. Wow. Obviously there was an insane amount of blood at this crime scene. It was found splattered and smeared throughout the house. And there was a pool of blood that measured one meter by two meters in the hallway, which is three feet by six feet in diameter. Oh my god! Yes. By the time police arrived the next morning, the blood hadn't even fully congealed. Like it's still wet. So it was still wet. That's how much blood there was. Now, Price's autopsy revealed, and there's much more, but I'm just giving you ahead of time, the Price's autopsy revealed that he had been stabbed in both the front and back of his body. And many of the wounds extended into his vital organs, including the stomach, both lungs,

the aorta, the liver, the left kidney, the descending colon, and the pancreas. What's in a aorta? Your aorta is the biggest vessel in your body. Oh my god. Yeah, if you hit the aorta, it's like, you're already dead. Fuck. Now, after she did this, she was dead. I know what she did. I know what she did.

She then showered. She went into and she stole his ATM card out of his wallet. And then she went into a nearby town and withdrew $1,000 from his ATM account. This showed that she was in control of her actions and aware of what she was doing, which fucked her later. Good. I'm so fucking glad she did that. Because if you have the wherewithal to steal money for his card from him, drive somewhere, take a thousand dollars out and then drive back home, you know what you're doing.

Right. And you're showing that there's motive here. You're stealing from him. So, several hours after he had died, Catherine literally skinned his body in one whole piece including his face ears scalp and neck like a fucking suit. In one whole fucking piece. Now she'd done this with a bunch of animals before like she's used to do what she was doing. She used a variety of knives and she even left a small square of skin on his body that featured the scar from where she stabbed him previously. Wow, it a con. Yeah.

So, and she was so expertly doing this that at her post his post-mortem examination, the mortician was able to me so the skin onto price his body. Oh my god. That's how like meticulously this was done. Thank God though that they were able to do that and like make him human again. Couldn't look that great. No, but skin is gone man. That's horrible. Now she wasn't done. I know. The skin was then hung up on a hook in the entrance of the house where it remained until it was removed by horrified police officers. Can you imagine? Being the poor son of a bitch that wanted to remove it. Well, when they first saw it when they came to the crime scene the next day, they were confused.

We're like, what the fuck is that? And then they recognized facial features, hair, arms, and legs. And we're like, that's a fucking human skin. That's a human pelts. So after she skinned him and hung his pelts up on a hook, she then decapitated price. And placed his head into a pot with vegetables on the stove. Oh girl. She then sliced off pieces of his buttocks and cooked them, serving them up with a baked potato, pumpkin, beetroot, zucchini, cabbage, yellow squash, and she made a special gravy. Now where did she serve this and to whom I know? Well, despite it being the morning, she set up two full

plates with his meat and the rest of the stew at the table. On these plates was a note card and little notes that have never been released. Which is so scary. To each of his two children. So she was preparing his body parts for his children to eat and she left a literal like name card on both. Now she had also left a handwritten note on top of a photograph of price in the middle of the table. And did she spell a bunch of shit wrong? Yeah, she did. It read,

Time got your U-back Jonathan for wrapping, she meant raping, my doater, she meant daughter, U-to-beck, which is Price's daughter, for Ross, for Little John, which is his son. Now play with Little John's dick, John Price. Oh. Now the accusations in the note were found to be completely false and gross. Of course they were, yes. It's a stupid reason.

So she's literally the most evil human on planet Earth. A third piece of meat was thrown on the back lawn for unknown reasons and some of speculated she was throwing it to the dogs. And Price's head was found simmering in a pot with vegetables. The pot was still warm when they found it. And you had to know fucking bad that how smelled. Now sometime later, Catherine had arranged the body, they flayed the body, flayed in headless body, in an armchair with the left arm draped over an empty two-liter soft drink bottle with the legs crossed and they claimed in court that this was just a filement

just demonstrating her. Like just a leapfuck you don't care. At 6 a.m. the next day the neighbor became concerned that his car was still in the driveway because they have liked him. Right and they knew he already said. Yeah and when he didn't go to work 6am the next day the neighbor became concerned that his car was still in the driveway. Because they had a like-dem. Right, and they knew he already said. Yeah, and when he didn't go to work, his employer sent a worker to see what was going on. So both the neighbor and the worker tried knocking on the windows and we're trying to look in the windows

and then they saw blood on the front door and on the front door step and they called the police. Oh, no. The police arrived at 8am. They broke down the back door and they found the scene with night comatose in bed from taking a large number of pills. So her initial offer to plead guilty to manslaughter was rejected, obviously. Of course. And she was arraigned on March 2nd, 2001, on the charge of murdering price. She entered a plea of not guilty. Now, when the trial started, Justice Barry O'Keefe offered the 60 jury members the option of being excused due to the nature of the photographic evidence. Wow.

Five accepted and left. When the witness list, when the whole thing started, several more started dropping out. And the jury ended up having to be like redone. Oh wow. Now, her attorneys then spoke to the judge and they returned, they adjourned for the following day because things were just going. She changed. In that day, she changed her plea to guilty and the jury was dismissed. Oh, that's good. So they were gonna go through a whole big long trial and then finally she was like, I'm guilty and they were like, okay, good.

So it's now been made public that Justice O'Keefe was the one who had advised the plea change the day before. Like he was like, she really do this. He adjourned the trial in an order to psychiatric assessment overnight to determine if she understood the consequences of a guilty plea and was fit to make that kind of. Her legal team had planned to defend her by claiming amnesia and disassociation. Yeah, don't think so. But psychiatrist considered her sane. Tuk Psychiatrist concluded that she had borderline personality disorder. But forensic psychiatrist Trist Dr. Robert Deleforce said he wanted to make it very clear that quote,

what she did on that night was part of her personality, her nature, herself. But it is not a feature of borderline personality disorder. It is not even slightly connected. So basically, he was just trying to say she was not insane when this happened. Yeah, this was her just technically true. So no reason has really been given for the guilty plea for that change, but she did overnight. Well, she was fucking guilty. Yeah, maybe she like maybe she calm down and realize what she did and was like. Maybe. I don't know though But despite giving it she still refused to accept responsibility

So she did it so she was kind of just Her lawyer is even requested at the sentencing hearing that she be excused to avoid hearing some of the terrible facts Oh, I would be like no like are you fucking kidding me? The app it was refused. Oh good I'm be like, no. Like, are you fucking kidding me? It was refused. They were like, no fucking God. Oh, good. You were, you didn't agree. Yeah, great. Okay. Kitting me. Fucking monster. So forensic pathologist Dr. Tim Lyons said that there were no marks on his bones, which means she was so meticulous. Oh my god. And so his, her knife had to cut through muscles, tendons, ligaments, and neurovascular bundles. Not only did the knife have to be super sharp, but she did be so steady and so skilled. And on the subject of the whole scanning

thing, lions told the court, quote, knowing how long it takes to carry out certain dissection techniques, which I do. I mean, I can say to you, I think it would have taken, it would not have taken just a few minutes. But it's something that probably could have been completed within 30 minutes to an hour. But beyond that, I would not like to say. When he went now and Dr. Timothy Lines took the stand and was talking about all this and the decapitation technique, took the stand and was talking about all this and the decapitation technique. Katherine became hysterical. She was rocking back and forth, clicking her teeth wildly, kicking the partition and screaming, no, no, no! And you're like, but you did that. She had to be removed incidated. Jesus. She's a fucking maniac. On November 8th, Justice O'Keefe pointed out that

On November 8th, Justice O'Keefe pointed out that her lack of remorse and how fucked up this crime was required the most severe penalty he could think of. So he sentenced her to life imprisonment and refused to fix a non-perol period in order that her papers be marked, quote, never to be released. Wow. So this really goes for like the worst of the worst. So this makes her the first woman in Australian history to get the sentence of life without parole. That's crazy. Now, Justice O'Keefe said quote, the circumstances of and surrounding the killing of Mr. Price can be seen to be horrendous. Indeed, they go far beyond the experience of any of the professional people, including psychiatrists that were involved in the case. A number of police officers who were highly experienced in examining crime scenes found the need to take stress leave because of the situation with which they were confronted

with, one examining the crime scene at Mr. Price's house. The circumstances marked the killing and its accompanying incidents as being the most gruesome kind. The murder is being the most gruesome kind. The murder is being the most serious category of that crime. He also stated, quote, The last minute, minutes of Mr. John Price's life must have been a time of abject terror for him, as they were a time of utter enjoyment for Catherine Knight. She has not expressed any contrition or remorse, and if released, she poses a serious threat to the security of society.

In June 2006, she appealed the life sentence, claiming that this life penalty without proper will was way too severe. Like, so skinny a human alive, so... Yeah, so... ...and to capitating a human. Why don't you leave? And trying to serve them to their children, like really? Justice's Peter McClellan, Michael Adams, and Megan Latham? Latham? I think it's Latham. Dismissed this appeal in the New South Wales Court of Criminal Appeals in September of the same year. And Justice McClellan wrote in his judgment, quote,

this was an appalling crime, almost beyond contemplation in a civilized society. Now, John Price's brother Bob attended all of these awful court. Good. Though, and he had to listen to awful, terrible about his brother's murder. He committed suicide shortly after Catherine sentencing. That's horrible. And John Price's children still suffer with this. Of course they do.

Like they're still deeply, deeply affected. Now, as for Catherine, she spends her time at Silverwater Women's Correctional Center and she is known to basically rule the prison. Not shocked. So there's a Sydney author named James Phelps and he has a book on women in Australian prisons called Green is the New Black. That's funny. And it, it's like a like inside look at this.

He says, a typical day for night starts at 7 a.m. every morning and she wakes to go to one of the tedious most tedious jobs in prison, which is making headphones, I guess. Oh wow. Her cell is the same size as everybody else's. Inmates describe her cell as kind of like a hoarder cell. It's full of knitting knickknacks and art. Why does she get knickknacks in knitting things? But she's known in the prison as the Nana. That's what they call her. Why? She's the most popular inmate in the prison, and she's also a peacemaker.

They must have put her on some kind of fucking medication. She sorts out problems, and she pulls girls in and tries to get them to like fix their issues before fighting. So she doesn't have a record of violence in jail. Wow. They said even the guards respect her a little bit. She's just the boss. But she is a category four inmate,

which is the highest and worst category a prisoner can be assigned, and she'll always be that. Oh wow. She's always going to be classified as high risk, and she'll never go to a place that allows her to walk outside in any way. So she can never go outside of you? No, good.

She'll always have a job where she's in a factory, and when she's in that factory, there's four guards on her at all times. Holy shit. So that's the story of Catherine Knight. That was a doozy. So Catherine Knight. All right, it's time to go record our bonus episode

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